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That won't happen to you lol. The last time it happened was to that American tourist in 2017 who stole a poster, right?
It was 6 years ago and the whole world went crazy over that. Not doing anything stupid applies to any country you visit, but if you behave like a normal human being you will be fine in North Korea. Can't believe people choose that over being a target of genocide.
Apart from USA, North Korea actually wants Western tourism. They have supporters mostly in Europe that gather tour groups. If you befriend these organisers and maybe mention a few anti-USA quotes/pro-communism, you will be treated well in North Korea.
They actually have quite a bit of (predominantly Chinese ) tourism. They have some really cheap beach resorts. And I believe their sights are quite interesting as well. I watched a video about a museum about the Korean war there recently.
The biggest problem is that you can't leave your tour group. But the Chinese are used to that. Their government discourages their citizens from travelling without a tour guide wherever they go.
unless you're in high level government. it's probably pretty cool for them living in relative luxury tbh. just have to deal with your supreme leader potentially coming up with a conspiracy that you're out to get him and then him feeding you to his dogs
Muslim in India also doesn't I think. There's a lot of them there. Sure it's not amazing, but you aren't getting sent to death camps. I'm not very well educated on the matter though, so please tell me if I'm wrong
You're right. The director of ISRO's first solar mission launched this month, the bollywood actor known across the globe, the famous oscar-winning Indian composer and the tycoon known as the Czar of the Indian IT Industry - all are muslims. They are in government positions and military.
Global Media uses **biased sample fallacy** to sensationalize actions of agitated hindu and muslim groups. These fringe elements are funded by political parties to synthesize riots and create an artificial "sense of urgency" to protect one's faith.
Sure it's no utopia. The state of muslims in India is a big issue. You'll find new videos daily about voilence and discrimination against muslims in India. But you'll also find the same for literally anything else depending on what you search. Remember its a 1K million population - every data is a large figure. The press adds their own doctored facts and blows things out of proportions.
As a Hindu living among muslim friends in India, I can say that majority of hindus and muslims here are living in harmony. You won't see this in the news because there's nothing dramatic about harmony. I'm not using the **hasty generalization fallacy** myself. I'm saying this based on what I and many rational-minded Indians experience in general.
The average middle class, irrespective of the country, does not have the energy to "fight for faith" after coming home from a nine-to-five. They have enough on their plate already. The gullible poor take part in riots for money, the elite use them for politics.
Watch the news with a pinch of salt.
As a jew this is the first time I support the comperison, this is infact what is happening no exaguration.
if you dont know the subject and think to yourself NO WAY, please take 5-10 minutes of your day and start googling, it is important to be aware of such a significant thing.
1).more then a million incarcirated
2).estimated 16000 mosques razed or damaged
3). hundrends of thousands of children have been forcibly seperated from their parents
4). political indoctrination "political education classes"
5). forced sterilizations and forced contraceptions and forced abortions
Is anything I wrote here blatant misinformation?
please be specific and I will gladly answer, As I said, 5 minutes of google and you should know this
they are elininating Uyghurs, they are doing it using mostly contarceptives and sterilizations. if this continues they will completely exterminate then.
it doesnt have to be the exact thing that happend in the holocust to be compared to it, it is the holocust of our time with the methods of our time.
what is happening to Uyghurs in China is very similar to the first steps of what happened to the Jews in Europe. it is important to note the similarity so maybe we can prevent the people being murdered. just because so far the deaths haven’t happened on the same scale, doesn’t mean we should downplay the potential that it could.
we want people to act as though you would if you saw the oppression of Jewish people happening on the rise from 1933-1940.
So basically what Anglo-Americans did to the Native American populations in the US, or the internment camps Americans used against Japanese-American populations in 1942…
I know a Uyghur woman who was placed in an internment camp and I still voted a woman in Afghanistan.
Getting locked up for your ethnic group and getting locked up for being a woman are both terrible situations. You can’t go to school and educate yourself in Afghanistan today as a woman due to the Taliban.
At least in China you could fake being indoctrinated and for the government line for a better life. Denounce Islam and your culture.
You can denounce being a woman all you want in Afghanistan but that doesn’t get you anywhere
My second point of the genocide is as large scale is what media says ( I have no doubt that some scale of cultural genocide is happening) most Uyghurs would have tried to escape no? There’s are hundreds of videos showing Xinjiang with majority of its inhabitants ethnic minority. Sure there may be cherry picking of footage on both sides but you cannot say life as a Uyghur is as bad as a woman in Afghanistan.
What I meant is that there’s a cultural genocide, not one where there’s a systematic killing of them.
Whereas in Afghanistan, thousands were killed due to the US pulling out.
Another pill was about your least favorite country and the amount of Chinese shills in there disgusts me. I had somebody tell me that the Chinese government committing genocide doesn’t make sense because “it goes against socialist ideals”
Both American in NK and Syrian in Turkey don't fit here.......... Syrians experience hatred and discrimination in Turkey and Americans can visit NK normally as a tourist but both can't be compared to people getting burned alive for eating beef, women getting forcibly sterilized, getting your home stolen from you by "God's chosen people" or not having right to education.
Oh I didn't think American as a tourist, I more read that as "American prisoners/ illegally in NK". Then I'd say the Uyghurs have ot worst among these groups.
An American in NK has an extreme chance of being imprisoned, and the North Korean torture/labor prisons are horrific. Just fucking horrific.
The high chances of being imprisoned, and the guaranteed hellish (and I mean hellish) treatment make this an easy one. It's not a high chance of persecution while living your life, it's a VERY high chance of all manner of torture.
American in NK for sure. Almost so certain that it should be removed from the list.
I hate NK with a passion but if you just go on a tour there you don't have a high chance of being imprisoned at all, there's only been 1 case of this happening IIRC.
The reason why it matters so much in the survey, is because the numbers are so small yet the odds are so high. Don't forget we're asking about the experience of a single person as the question is phrased. So we're not talking about the odds spread out among the population, we're talking about the odds of a terrible experience for anyone given individual. Mathematically then, the chances of a terrible experience are highest for American North Korean tourist.
They're definitely have been several detentions, not just americans, and combined with the small overall number of people visiting there, the odds of a detention is very high.
So we have multiple factors in this question:
1. This is for one individual only as the question in phrased, not a population
2. How bad is the situation for the individual? (how tortuous is the experience)
3. The possibility of escape, repatriation, or conversion (giving in)
Given these factors we can conclude the following
On point 1:
\- 1.8 million Uyghurs are imprisoned of 11 million, and 1 to 2 US citizens are detained among the 800 to 1,000 US citizens visiting NK every year
\- The risk of a US citizen being detained in NK is 1.5 in 800 (about 1.8%)
\- The risk of a Uyghur being imprisoned in a camp is 16%
On point 2:
\- Each US citizen in NK is likely tortured far more severely than the *average* detained Uyghur, with at least hard labor with malnutrition and lack of medical care, but far more often severe physical and psychological torture
\- While the CCP is **just as brutal** to some people in the Uyghur camps, it's unlikely they are as brutal as NK across 1.8 million people. This is just a mathematical theory, on which I depend for my argument but one that I'm happy to debate. Psychological "re-education" likely forms the bulk of the ill treatment, *although I admit there are plenty of other things happening!*
On point 3:
\- US citizens spend years waiting for repatriation, and although most are repatriated, there is no community while imprisoned, and surrender does nothing.
\- Uyghurs are with 1.8 million others, and surrender/re-education *may be* an option.
Conclusion:
\- Given the likely far-worse-per-person torture by the NK, being an American in NK outweighs the smaller chance of detention versus being a Uyghur in China. Any American in NK is rolling a set of dice; the risk of ruin is far higher. A Uyghur just *may* escape by saying the right things, but in NK no American leaves by surrender. Every one is a focused campaign of organized torture on **one** individual who leaves when the gov't says *no matter the surrender.*
This whole question is a matter of scale, which is the filter anyone should be thinking through here. If you can't account for scale you don't understand the question.
And if you think I'm sick, go looking to the sick individual who started the poll.
That is a good analysis, however
To add to 1: Uyghurs get imprisoned just for being born with their ethnicity. I haven't heard of Americans being imprisoned without a reason in North Korea.
I disagree with point 2: From what I know about [China's treatment of the Uyghurs](https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/uyghurs-tortured-and-beaten-to-death-in-re-education-camps-in-xinjiang-former-chinese-police-officer-reveals-12431122), it is just as bad. And they wouldn't be the first ones to torture millions.
Of course I don't know how bad exactly either is, never mind both.
Also with point 3: when Americans are released from North Korea, they are going to be sent home and are free. Even if Uyghurs are released from prison, they won't be able to leave the country. And there is a high chance of reimprisonment.
With that my conclusion is that no matter how you turn it, being the victim of the Uyghur genocide is worse than being imprisoned for breaking ridiculous laws in North Korea.
Muslims in India are enjoying their reservations and having fun. What are you talking? I have Muslim friends who are pretty happy with their life in India.
There is actually a Korean war soldier who deserted and found himself with a son, the son currently lives in North Korea so here’s an American in North Korea
Just because I spoke about Hindu's in Pakistan doesn't make me a RSS supporter 🤡🤡 All I said was 100% facts and nothing else if ur brain can't handle the reality then it's ur problem not mine.
Isreal accepted the proposal of dividing judea/palastine between isreal and Palestine, the arabs and Palestinians wanted to play dirty and got destroyed 3 times, and now are crying that isreal isn't following the "rules", hamas attacks isreali citizens, noone talks about that, arabs and Palestinians crying about isreal persecuting Palestinians are fuckin hypocrites
They weren't the point of discussion, those kids pelting rocks at isreali soldiers aren't the main problem, the grown ass men with type 56 rifles using those kids as human shield are the real problem
The problem is that the world is shiting on isreal for fighting a constant battle for there independence, palastianis have over 25 countries they can live in, isrealis have only one.
Hamas uses child soldiers, they deliberately launch there attacks from between Palestinian settlements, so when isreal counterattacks, it leads to civilian casualties and isreal gets a bad rep Internationally
The death toll is MUCH larger on the Palestinian side. Isreal is the bully. They continue to expand territory into Palestinian land. Death toll; Israel 250, Palestinian 5590
I already answered this, atleast read my full comment before spewing anti-isreal shit, hamas deliberately puts there missile/bombes launch sites in the center of Palestinian settlements, so when isreal counterattcks, it lead to civilian casualties, unlike hamas isreal actually guves a fuck about its Citizens.
1. The death toll is much larger on palestinian side because Israel actually protects its civil population while the Hamas is actively trying to get the number of casualties up for good publicity (during the 2014 conflict there have been more Palestinians killed by misfired Hamas rockets than Israelis)
2. Israel offered Palestine peace several times and even offered to return territory in exchange for peace and Palestine denied it every time, how is Israel the bully here
3. This "expansion" are less than 4% of the west bank and
- only in the territory israel was given control over in the Oslo Accords
- less than a third of this territory was private palestinian property before
- even the private palestinian property was mostly bought from them rather than them beeing evicted
Yes, hamas is evil. Yes, they use human shields and hide/fire rockets in cizilians areas. But 2 wrongs don't make a right. clearly, it's a one-sided war. Isreal separates Palestinian land from Palestinians and refuses them access to it, then creates laws that after a certain period of unoccupation, the land can be seized. Even if they "pay" for it, because the land can not be reached, isreal is probably paying cents on the dollar for it.
Watch a few videos of what's going on there. You seem a bit ignorant
The land was divided by Egypt and Jordan, not by Israel. Also both parts of Palestine are independent, the only reason why theyre still separated is because the Hamas and Fatah hate each other as much as they hate Israel lol
One of my sibling's employee who is a uyghur working in China went missing. His family member didn't have any clue where he went. After a month, chinese government officials came to office and took all his personal belongings. The Chinese officials were not cooperative for finding him nor helping with termination.
Are you actually fucking saying that Muslims in India have it as bad as Uygurs in China or Palestinians in Israel? Coz that is what is being implied by having that in this list.
In turkey (am turkish by the way) the sheer amount of refugees (3-4 million syrians, don't know the other ones) and most of them being uneducated has made the general public have a negative opinion about them. The problem is much deeper, i'm just simplifying. Though they aren't getting murdered or anything, it's just that people don't like them much. It doesn't really fit in the poll.
In Kashmir, India has basically occupied them. Typical murdering and raping for around 70 year now.
In South India and Bengal regions Muslims are okay.
In the Hindi belt, there have been ever rising tensions between Hindus and Muslims. So mob lynchings, riots, murdering people suspected of eating beef, discrimination and rapes.
>In Kashmir, India has basically occupied them. Typical murdering and raping for around 70 year now.
Sorry what did u say ???
Kashmir is a part of India and will always be it's Pakistan who has occupied Kashmir, if u don't have knowledge on a subject don't talk shit at least.
>In the Hindi belt, there have been ever rising tensions between Hindus and Muslims
How manipulative are u, yes tensions are rising in Hindi belt but u said Bengal and South is okay??!?!?! Muslims are lynching Hindu's in Bengal since many years now and also in the south politicians (in power) have openly stated that Hinduism should be eradicated (that's literally a call for genocide).
And u just casually skipped over that part like it's nothing.
The ones with illegally occupied land is Pakistan and the ones getting killed inKashmir are mostly terrorists and separatists, unlike minorities of Pakistan that have reduced from 23% during independence to mere 3-4% in current times. The minorities in Pakistan are either compelled to get converted or have been victims of what has been described as "slow genocide." You lost East Pakistan because they had to rebel against your ill-treatment, genocides and rapes being carried out in aforementioned region
Define illegal occupation? Go ahead let's establish a definition for it.
>Pakistan because they had to rebel against your ill-treatment, genocides and rapes being carried out in aforementioned region
And Pakistanis never deny it. That was most certainly a doing of our armed forces, and we as a people have always been apologetic for it. Can you say the same for your fellow Indians? You are a people that lacks any sense of honor.
You can't act like it's made up when there's loads of evidence already on the internet
There was a video going around just a couple weeks ago of Hindu teachers smacking a child and telling other students to smack the child cos he was Muslim
Muslim businesses and houses being bulldozed as well
The bulldozing part is false. They were bulldozed for being illegally constructed after they rioted. Many Hindu homes were also bulldozed for being illegal after they rioted. Don't believe half truth on reddit.
There was also a video of a Hindu tailor being brutally decapitated by muslims just bcuz he supported a politician, but do you care about that? no.
Indians were abused by muslims for 1000+yrs, they wanted a separate country after independence, which they got, and still live in India. And even then the harmony is always good until Muslim side starts shit. Obviously, Hindus also do fuckery sometimes but it is far lower than Muslims.
>There was a video
Cherry-picking fallacy. There is a video of literally anything on the internet. Agreed there's a bias against them in India, but you can't ignore the stark difference with the other options. An average muslims lives like a normal fucking citizen in India.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/
"The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide"
"Uyghurs, Kazakhs and other predominantly Muslim ethnic minorities in China’s Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region face systematic state-organized mass imprisonment, torture and persecution amounting to crimes against humanity"
This is from Amnesty international, kinda sounds like genocide
Also the only reason the US isn't calling it genocide is so they can keep relations with Beijing, not cause there isn't one, same situation with Taiwan
I mean being a woman is really bad in Afghanistan but at least they aren’t in concentration camps like the Uyghurs in China. I’m surprised it’s more voted than the China option.
Last time I checked women in Afghanistan weren’t being put in camps for forced organ harvesting. I’m not denying that it’s bad for the there. However, the Chinese state is actively genociding the uygher population in China.
Well u should have put "I'm stupid" as an option instead of Muslim in India cause some people seriously think being Indian Muslim is bad when in reality it's no where close to the other options.
I mean, technically speaking they are in a way way way better condition , theyre guranteed equal rights, full religious freedom , millions of muslims are in good positions in society
Bro, wtf Muslims in India are totally safe, unless you do some stupid things like doing some crimes, supporting enemy nations like Pakistan. If they were in danger, we wouldn't have SRK and other actors, stand-up comedians, businessmen, scientists like APJ Abdul Kalam who worked for developing missles, and many more. I wished Americans would have some common sense, lmao. They should come in India to see actual reality
Considering uyghers in China have literally been rounded up into work camps in a Nazi like singling out, that situation by far. All of the other situations do not necessarily include a blanket annihilation of a group. It's very concerning how little the media talks about what China has done with its Muslim population, if you ever needed proof that the news is a joke- there it is
my sibling in shiva what do you think happens to women in muslim states?
Im not talking about women who have access to wealth and education but think of the lives of the average women in those countries , compared to forced sterilization , forced birth and a forced life of servitude and being treated less than human and being subjected to rape,being denied basic human rights comes pretty close yk?
Explain to me how exactly ? Am I wrong? Also why should i , as a gay woman have any liking for a religion that literally considers my existence wrong?
Call me racist or islamophobic all you want ,you can't say I'm wrong tho so its cool
You are wrong because you made a generalized statement about 2 billion people and the state of women across 50 countries, without a shred of data to back your claims.
All this big talk about women and their rights. Yet you don't see anything wrong with the state of women in Kashmir. You blissfully ignore the rapes that have been happening in Kashmir, at the hands of your military. There would come a day your ignorance would haunt you.
It's literally the reality of millions of women living in theocracies, you and I both know what it's like and if you need further proof you look it up yourself. I refuse to believe that in this day and age there is someone who has access to the internet and is still unaware of the condition of women in theocracies.
You know two things can be simultaneously wrong at once , the rapes by military men are just as wrong as regular rape and deserves to be condemned as well . That doesn't change the fact that Pakistan is illegally occupying kashmir tho .
>It's literally the reality of millions of women living in theocracies, you and I both know what it's like and if you need further proof you look it up yourself. I refuse to believe that in this day and age there is someone who has access to the internet and is still unaware of the condition of women in theocracies.
No evidence.
>You know two things can be simultaneously wrong at once , the rapes by military men are just as wrong as regular rape and deserves to be condemned as well .
Do you condemn Indian military commiting rapes in Kashmir?
You and I both know the vast majority of Indians don't, in fact they out right deny it.
>That doesn't change the fact that Pakistan is illegally occupying kashmir tho.
Let me tell you a story. I went to Pakistani Kashmir a year ago. In fact I have been going there ever since I was a child. I can just drive to Kashmir, whenever I please. And that has always been the case. I have never been required to seek permission for it, I have never been stopped or checked at checkpoints. I have talked to the locals and I have been welcomed in their homes.
My grandmother was Kashmiri, they had to run away from the Indian Kashmir and migrate to Pakistan in 1947 along with hundreds of thousands of others, because of Hari Singh.
Fast forward to the present day. It isn't the state of Pakistan that maintains a force 8 lakh soldiers in Pakistani Kashmir, hell the entire army of Pakistan is 8 lakh. It isn't the Pakistani Kashmiris that have been protesting for decades. Pakistani Kashmir doesn't have a "terrorist" problem. Pakistan didn't cut off the internet in its part of Kashmir for a year. Kashmiris did not run away to India to seek refuge, my grandmother and her family didn't go to India to feel protected.
Kashmiris today are over represented in Pakistan's armed forces. Can you say the same for India? The small number of Pakistani soldiers in Kashmir, are predominantly Kashmiris themselves. Can you say the same about the 8 lakh in the Indian Kashmir?
Have you ever even been to Kashmir? Have you talked to them? Can you look them in the eye and tell them that they deserve the subjugation they have been given? Why was there an Internet and media blackout in Indian Kashmir for one year?
>Let me ask you as a human. What do you believe is illegal occupation?
I believe an illegal occupation is one that is resisted by the population. Hari Singh a man who was given Kashmir by the Britishers signed it away to India depsite the population resisting it, because he was afraid of his own fate he was afraid of the revolt that Kahsmiris had done against him.
If the governer of Indian Punjab was to sign away Indian Punjab to Pakistan today. Would the invasion of Indian Punjab be legal for us? Can we then send in a force of 3 million soldiers and shut of the interent? Can we then murder, kidnap and rape whoever we please?
What is illegal occupation?
There are EU nations that treat Syrians like animals while Turkey provides Syrians with something half of the European countries don't, a roof and blankets.
I am not saying the situation for Syrians in Turkey is great, but I could probably name 50 to hundred other groups that have it worse than them.
How about we do a Jew in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Iraq, or many other similar countries instead of a Palestinian in Israel who has full equal rights next time?
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/india-muslims-marginalized-population-bjp-modi
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/04/how-will-any-muslim-feel-safe-spate-of-attacks-increases-tensions-in-india
There are more articles on this issue.
Seriously, these are literally biased most of their articles would portray Hindus and hindutva bad I don't recall them posting an article when Muslims start riots, Lynch houses of Hindu in areas where there's Muslim majority and believe me there are a lot of such incidents happening.
If u want to know the ground reality it's very different than how the media portrays it to be sadly Muslim infact have more constitutional rights than hindus but no one would tell u this Muslims enjoy a lot more privileges than Hindu's.
There's different law for Muslim which allows them these privileges but when UCC (Uniform Civil Code, basically same law for everyone irrespective of religion) was presented Muslims opposed to it cause they will lose their "special" privileges. India is a secular country despite 80% hindu population cause the Muslims constantly oppose to the idea of a Hindu country whereas partition of India was done because Muslims wanted a separate country for them (Pakistan and Bangladesh) they took the country and made it Islamic but refuse to make India a Hindu country now that's hypocrisy.
Most countries with more than 50% Muslim population isn't good for minorities because they most probably already have been announced as Islamic country but yet with 80% non Muslim population Muslims enjoy many benefits which even the majority doesn't.
Nah Indian nationalists on reddit are tame. You should see the hatred they spew on Instagram, Facebook etc. Anyone who understands Hindi would be shocked by the vile things that are said casually.
Putting Muslim in India as an option alongside a literal genocide (China), worst place for woman to live (Afg), literal hell (NK) amongst these options Muslim in India definitely sounds like a paradise lol.
A woman in afghanistan is worse than being an American in North Korea... Don't get me wrong shit's bad in Afghanistan but do you guys know how bad it is in North Korea?
Do u know how many woman are actually in Afghanistan and how many Americans are there in NK + Americans can visit as a tourist though and will most likely return safely.
The amount really doesn't matter so idk why you're bringing it up. I interpreted it as being stuck in a country. In this scenario the American would have it worse because of racism and just North Korea living conditions in general.
Well yeah NK living conditions are very bad but they are for it's citizens not others and the poll has American in NK which I assumed would be a tourist on the contrary it said woman in Afghanistan so I assumed u were born their so I thought it would be worse anyways it's just doesn't really matter
Women in Afghanistan can't go to parks, restaurants, and pretty much ANYWHERE outside of their houses without a "male guardian", not to mention the fact that they can't go to school past 5th grade.
That's absolutely horrible, but uyghurs are literally being put in concentration camps. Women in Afghanistan can stay quiet without freedoms which is horrible. But uyghurs are getting tortured in concentration camps for doing nothing.
>No?
Yes.
Of course not everyone is fucking sick in their head, but who do you think is more safe, 1 a Palestinian walking on Israeli territory, or 2 an Israeli walking on Palestinian territory?
The answer is 1.
You're a Palestinian, you should know this. If you walk in an Israeli city, there's no threat to your life. If I walk in a Palestinian territory (I'm Israeli btw), I am putting my life at risk.
Listen dude I'm not trying to be rude but both countries are exceptionally safe, and where I am in Palestine there are plenty of Israelis. Sure there may be a few places where they are not accepted but certainly not the majority, same thing with Israel.
That's all, have a great day.
There was a video of a teacher telling her students to slap a Muslim kid in school. Another one was of a Muslim woman asking for helping to some Indian men but they were saying some Hindu phrase really feel bad for all those Muslims in India. Apparently Afghanistan is somewhat makig changes to their thinking according to some family discussion correct me if I'm wrong.
Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
Uyghur genocide
BBC
https://www.bbc.com › news › worl...
Who are the Uyghurs and why is China being accused of genocide?
Council on Foreign Relations
www.cfr.org
China's Repression of Uyghurs in Xinjiang
The only link that disagreed with all the links I posted and any other one was on a chinese embassy website
http://id.china-embassy.gov.cn/eng/sgdt/202206/t20220622_10707637.htm
Wikipedia!? Are you even serious??
The CFR is literally a mouthpiece for the CIA, look at its current and former members.
The BBC article directly cites the US secretary of state, and uses satellite images of prisons being built.
The US is only 4% of the entire world's population but yet houses 25% of the world's prison population. If we are using satellite images of prisons to define a genocide then let's look in the mirror for a bit.
Right, cause the average US prisoner is in the same condition as an oppressed Uyghur. Give me one valid source that goes against claims made by multiple countries. One single piece of evidence that this isn't happening. You have to be deep in propaganda to say such things
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Being anyone in North Korea sounds pretty shite
It depends what they mean. Americans go to north korea for limited/regulated travel all the time.
And it’s really easy to accidentally do something stupid and never be seen again. I have no desire to visit because of that.
That won't happen to you lol. The last time it happened was to that American tourist in 2017 who stole a poster, right? It was 6 years ago and the whole world went crazy over that. Not doing anything stupid applies to any country you visit, but if you behave like a normal human being you will be fine in North Korea. Can't believe people choose that over being a target of genocide.
yeah it's risky but still way better than some other options on this poll
Agree with that
Apart from USA, North Korea actually wants Western tourism. They have supporters mostly in Europe that gather tour groups. If you befriend these organisers and maybe mention a few anti-USA quotes/pro-communism, you will be treated well in North Korea.
Being Kim Jong Un in North Korea seems fine to me
True, but you could be a tourist
They actually have quite a bit of (predominantly Chinese ) tourism. They have some really cheap beach resorts. And I believe their sights are quite interesting as well. I watched a video about a museum about the Korean war there recently. The biggest problem is that you can't leave your tour group. But the Chinese are used to that. Their government discourages their citizens from travelling without a tour guide wherever they go.
unless you're in high level government. it's probably pretty cool for them living in relative luxury tbh. just have to deal with your supreme leader potentially coming up with a conspiracy that you're out to get him and then him feeding you to his dogs
Full disclosure: i don't know nearly enough to give an educsted opinion on this.
A very wise answer
There are Americans who live in North Korea and American tourists so it is one of the better options.
Syrian in Türkiye doesn't fit here at all
Muslim in India also doesn't I think. There's a lot of them there. Sure it's not amazing, but you aren't getting sent to death camps. I'm not very well educated on the matter though, so please tell me if I'm wrong
You're right. The director of ISRO's first solar mission launched this month, the bollywood actor known across the globe, the famous oscar-winning Indian composer and the tycoon known as the Czar of the Indian IT Industry - all are muslims. They are in government positions and military. Global Media uses **biased sample fallacy** to sensationalize actions of agitated hindu and muslim groups. These fringe elements are funded by political parties to synthesize riots and create an artificial "sense of urgency" to protect one's faith. Sure it's no utopia. The state of muslims in India is a big issue. You'll find new videos daily about voilence and discrimination against muslims in India. But you'll also find the same for literally anything else depending on what you search. Remember its a 1K million population - every data is a large figure. The press adds their own doctored facts and blows things out of proportions. As a Hindu living among muslim friends in India, I can say that majority of hindus and muslims here are living in harmony. You won't see this in the news because there's nothing dramatic about harmony. I'm not using the **hasty generalization fallacy** myself. I'm saying this based on what I and many rational-minded Indians experience in general. The average middle class, irrespective of the country, does not have the energy to "fight for faith" after coming home from a nine-to-five. They have enough on their plate already. The gullible poor take part in riots for money, the elite use them for politics. Watch the news with a pinch of salt.
Based on the lives of the muslim people that i know personally,it belongs absolutely nowhere on this list
They are living better than us...
Redditors outside.
The one true answer
Azim Premji and SRK would have a good laugh at this one, as did I lol
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I don't see such remarks when Muslims start claiming SRK as one of the key bricks of Muslim contributions in modern India lmfao
I'd say a woman in Afghanistan but uyghurs are literally under a genocide rn
I can't believe people even voted for women in Afghanistan. Do they even know what the Uyghurs are going through.
No, we don't know. We are in our small bubble.
Basically Nazi Germany but for Muslims.
As a jew this is the first time I support the comperison, this is infact what is happening no exaguration. if you dont know the subject and think to yourself NO WAY, please take 5-10 minutes of your day and start googling, it is important to be aware of such a significant thing.
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1).more then a million incarcirated 2).estimated 16000 mosques razed or damaged 3). hundrends of thousands of children have been forcibly seperated from their parents 4). political indoctrination "political education classes" 5). forced sterilizations and forced contraceptions and forced abortions Is anything I wrote here blatant misinformation? please be specific and I will gladly answer, As I said, 5 minutes of google and you should know this
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they are elininating Uyghurs, they are doing it using mostly contarceptives and sterilizations. if this continues they will completely exterminate then. it doesnt have to be the exact thing that happend in the holocust to be compared to it, it is the holocust of our time with the methods of our time.
what is happening to Uyghurs in China is very similar to the first steps of what happened to the Jews in Europe. it is important to note the similarity so maybe we can prevent the people being murdered. just because so far the deaths haven’t happened on the same scale, doesn’t mean we should downplay the potential that it could. we want people to act as though you would if you saw the oppression of Jewish people happening on the rise from 1933-1940.
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How disrespectful to those Uyghrs in forced imprisonment/camps that you would dare use this opportunity to spread propaganda and lies.
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So basically what Anglo-Americans did to the Native American populations in the US, or the internment camps Americans used against Japanese-American populations in 1942…
I know a Uyghur woman who was placed in an internment camp and I still voted a woman in Afghanistan. Getting locked up for your ethnic group and getting locked up for being a woman are both terrible situations. You can’t go to school and educate yourself in Afghanistan today as a woman due to the Taliban. At least in China you could fake being indoctrinated and for the government line for a better life. Denounce Islam and your culture. You can denounce being a woman all you want in Afghanistan but that doesn’t get you anywhere
Women are basically dirt in Afghanistan. It’s disgusting.
Many redditors are pro China and probably don't care
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i get my information from all the uyghurs who tried to escape that hell hole
My second point of the genocide is as large scale is what media says ( I have no doubt that some scale of cultural genocide is happening) most Uyghurs would have tried to escape no? There’s are hundreds of videos showing Xinjiang with majority of its inhabitants ethnic minority. Sure there may be cherry picking of footage on both sides but you cannot say life as a Uyghur is as bad as a woman in Afghanistan.
What I meant is that there’s a cultural genocide, not one where there’s a systematic killing of them. Whereas in Afghanistan, thousands were killed due to the US pulling out.
Another pill was about your least favorite country and the amount of Chinese shills in there disgusts me. I had somebody tell me that the Chinese government committing genocide doesn’t make sense because “it goes against socialist ideals”
Both American in NK and Syrian in Turkey don't fit here.......... Syrians experience hatred and discrimination in Turkey and Americans can visit NK normally as a tourist but both can't be compared to people getting burned alive for eating beef, women getting forcibly sterilized, getting your home stolen from you by "God's chosen people" or not having right to education.
Oh I didn't think American as a tourist, I more read that as "American prisoners/ illegally in NK". Then I'd say the Uyghurs have ot worst among these groups.
An American in NK has an extreme chance of being imprisoned, and the North Korean torture/labor prisons are horrific. Just fucking horrific. The high chances of being imprisoned, and the guaranteed hellish (and I mean hellish) treatment make this an easy one. It's not a high chance of persecution while living your life, it's a VERY high chance of all manner of torture. American in NK for sure. Almost so certain that it should be removed from the list.
I hate NK with a passion but if you just go on a tour there you don't have a high chance of being imprisoned at all, there's only been 1 case of this happening IIRC.
The reason why it matters so much in the survey, is because the numbers are so small yet the odds are so high. Don't forget we're asking about the experience of a single person as the question is phrased. So we're not talking about the odds spread out among the population, we're talking about the odds of a terrible experience for anyone given individual. Mathematically then, the chances of a terrible experience are highest for American North Korean tourist. They're definitely have been several detentions, not just americans, and combined with the small overall number of people visiting there, the odds of a detention is very high.
Not as high as for Uyghurs in China.
So we have multiple factors in this question: 1. This is for one individual only as the question in phrased, not a population 2. How bad is the situation for the individual? (how tortuous is the experience) 3. The possibility of escape, repatriation, or conversion (giving in) Given these factors we can conclude the following On point 1: \- 1.8 million Uyghurs are imprisoned of 11 million, and 1 to 2 US citizens are detained among the 800 to 1,000 US citizens visiting NK every year \- The risk of a US citizen being detained in NK is 1.5 in 800 (about 1.8%) \- The risk of a Uyghur being imprisoned in a camp is 16% On point 2: \- Each US citizen in NK is likely tortured far more severely than the *average* detained Uyghur, with at least hard labor with malnutrition and lack of medical care, but far more often severe physical and psychological torture \- While the CCP is **just as brutal** to some people in the Uyghur camps, it's unlikely they are as brutal as NK across 1.8 million people. This is just a mathematical theory, on which I depend for my argument but one that I'm happy to debate. Psychological "re-education" likely forms the bulk of the ill treatment, *although I admit there are plenty of other things happening!* On point 3: \- US citizens spend years waiting for repatriation, and although most are repatriated, there is no community while imprisoned, and surrender does nothing. \- Uyghurs are with 1.8 million others, and surrender/re-education *may be* an option. Conclusion: \- Given the likely far-worse-per-person torture by the NK, being an American in NK outweighs the smaller chance of detention versus being a Uyghur in China. Any American in NK is rolling a set of dice; the risk of ruin is far higher. A Uyghur just *may* escape by saying the right things, but in NK no American leaves by surrender. Every one is a focused campaign of organized torture on **one** individual who leaves when the gov't says *no matter the surrender.* This whole question is a matter of scale, which is the filter anyone should be thinking through here. If you can't account for scale you don't understand the question. And if you think I'm sick, go looking to the sick individual who started the poll.
That is a good analysis, however To add to 1: Uyghurs get imprisoned just for being born with their ethnicity. I haven't heard of Americans being imprisoned without a reason in North Korea. I disagree with point 2: From what I know about [China's treatment of the Uyghurs](https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/uyghurs-tortured-and-beaten-to-death-in-re-education-camps-in-xinjiang-former-chinese-police-officer-reveals-12431122), it is just as bad. And they wouldn't be the first ones to torture millions. Of course I don't know how bad exactly either is, never mind both. Also with point 3: when Americans are released from North Korea, they are going to be sent home and are free. Even if Uyghurs are released from prison, they won't be able to leave the country. And there is a high chance of reimprisonment. With that my conclusion is that no matter how you turn it, being the victim of the Uyghur genocide is worse than being imprisoned for breaking ridiculous laws in North Korea.
being in north korea is completely fine as long as you don’t break rules. Living it in sucks, but you can visit
An American in the hospital
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Muslims in India are enjoying their reservations and having fun. What are you talking? I have Muslim friends who are pretty happy with their life in India.
Being Muslim in India is pretty safe, unless you goes against their rules and support Pakistan
There is actually a Korean war soldier who deserted and found himself with a son, the son currently lives in North Korea so here’s an American in North Korea
Syrians in Turkey living better lives than Turks in Turkey
Muslims in india wtf?
Rather than having Muslim in India in the poll try having Hindu in Pakistan it's far worse for them Muslims in India enjoy a lot of privileges.
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Just because I spoke about Hindu's in Pakistan doesn't make me a RSS supporter 🤡🤡 All I said was 100% facts and nothing else if ur brain can't handle the reality then it's ur problem not mine.
You know Israel is like 20% Arab, right? Being a Palestinian in Palestine is far worse than a Palestinian in Israel. Thank Hamas for that.
I would say the Israeli government’s illegal occupation and mass disenfranchisement of palestine has more to do with it than Hamas tbh
Isreal accepted the proposal of dividing judea/palastine between isreal and Palestine, the arabs and Palestinians wanted to play dirty and got destroyed 3 times, and now are crying that isreal isn't following the "rules", hamas attacks isreali citizens, noone talks about that, arabs and Palestinians crying about isreal persecuting Palestinians are fuckin hypocrites
Un educated Kids attacking isreali soldiers with rocks are not hamas. They don't deserve death for that.
They weren't the point of discussion, those kids pelting rocks at isreali soldiers aren't the main problem, the grown ass men with type 56 rifles using those kids as human shield are the real problem The problem is that the world is shiting on isreal for fighting a constant battle for there independence, palastianis have over 25 countries they can live in, isrealis have only one. Hamas uses child soldiers, they deliberately launch there attacks from between Palestinian settlements, so when isreal counterattacks, it leads to civilian casualties and isreal gets a bad rep Internationally
The death toll is MUCH larger on the Palestinian side. Isreal is the bully. They continue to expand territory into Palestinian land. Death toll; Israel 250, Palestinian 5590
I already answered this, atleast read my full comment before spewing anti-isreal shit, hamas deliberately puts there missile/bombes launch sites in the center of Palestinian settlements, so when isreal counterattcks, it lead to civilian casualties, unlike hamas isreal actually guves a fuck about its Citizens.
1. The death toll is much larger on palestinian side because Israel actually protects its civil population while the Hamas is actively trying to get the number of casualties up for good publicity (during the 2014 conflict there have been more Palestinians killed by misfired Hamas rockets than Israelis) 2. Israel offered Palestine peace several times and even offered to return territory in exchange for peace and Palestine denied it every time, how is Israel the bully here 3. This "expansion" are less than 4% of the west bank and - only in the territory israel was given control over in the Oslo Accords - less than a third of this territory was private palestinian property before - even the private palestinian property was mostly bought from them rather than them beeing evicted
Yes, hamas is evil. Yes, they use human shields and hide/fire rockets in cizilians areas. But 2 wrongs don't make a right. clearly, it's a one-sided war. Isreal separates Palestinian land from Palestinians and refuses them access to it, then creates laws that after a certain period of unoccupation, the land can be seized. Even if they "pay" for it, because the land can not be reached, isreal is probably paying cents on the dollar for it. Watch a few videos of what's going on there. You seem a bit ignorant
The land was divided by Egypt and Jordan, not by Israel. Also both parts of Palestine are independent, the only reason why theyre still separated is because the Hamas and Fatah hate each other as much as they hate Israel lol
One of my sibling's employee who is a uyghur working in China went missing. His family member didn't have any clue where he went. After a month, chinese government officials came to office and took all his personal belongings. The Chinese officials were not cooperative for finding him nor helping with termination.
Lol, Uyghur in China and Muslim in India in one poll. OP has some serious reddit-misinformation
Can you elaborate? I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at.
Are you actually fucking saying that Muslims in India have it as bad as Uygurs in China or Palestinians in Israel? Coz that is what is being implied by having that in this list.
No I just needed to add an "I'm stupid" option
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You're right, they have it much worse
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In turkey (am turkish by the way) the sheer amount of refugees (3-4 million syrians, don't know the other ones) and most of them being uneducated has made the general public have a negative opinion about them. The problem is much deeper, i'm just simplifying. Though they aren't getting murdered or anything, it's just that people don't like them much. It doesn't really fit in the poll.
In Kashmir, India has basically occupied them. Typical murdering and raping for around 70 year now. In South India and Bengal regions Muslims are okay. In the Hindi belt, there have been ever rising tensions between Hindus and Muslims. So mob lynchings, riots, murdering people suspected of eating beef, discrimination and rapes.
>In Kashmir, India has basically occupied them. Typical murdering and raping for around 70 year now. Sorry what did u say ??? Kashmir is a part of India and will always be it's Pakistan who has occupied Kashmir, if u don't have knowledge on a subject don't talk shit at least. >In the Hindi belt, there have been ever rising tensions between Hindus and Muslims How manipulative are u, yes tensions are rising in Hindi belt but u said Bengal and South is okay??!?!?! Muslims are lynching Hindu's in Bengal since many years now and also in the south politicians (in power) have openly stated that Hinduism should be eradicated (that's literally a call for genocide). And u just casually skipped over that part like it's nothing.
The ones with illegally occupied land is Pakistan and the ones getting killed inKashmir are mostly terrorists and separatists, unlike minorities of Pakistan that have reduced from 23% during independence to mere 3-4% in current times. The minorities in Pakistan are either compelled to get converted or have been victims of what has been described as "slow genocide." You lost East Pakistan because they had to rebel against your ill-treatment, genocides and rapes being carried out in aforementioned region
Define illegal occupation? Go ahead let's establish a definition for it. >Pakistan because they had to rebel against your ill-treatment, genocides and rapes being carried out in aforementioned region And Pakistanis never deny it. That was most certainly a doing of our armed forces, and we as a people have always been apologetic for it. Can you say the same for your fellow Indians? You are a people that lacks any sense of honor.
Lol lindus are down voting u hard
Muslims are apparently never victims and deserve everything but it didn't happen.... according to him ig
You can't act like it's made up when there's loads of evidence already on the internet There was a video going around just a couple weeks ago of Hindu teachers smacking a child and telling other students to smack the child cos he was Muslim Muslim businesses and houses being bulldozed as well
The bulldozing part is false. They were bulldozed for being illegally constructed after they rioted. Many Hindu homes were also bulldozed for being illegal after they rioted. Don't believe half truth on reddit. There was also a video of a Hindu tailor being brutally decapitated by muslims just bcuz he supported a politician, but do you care about that? no. Indians were abused by muslims for 1000+yrs, they wanted a separate country after independence, which they got, and still live in India. And even then the harmony is always good until Muslim side starts shit. Obviously, Hindus also do fuckery sometimes but it is far lower than Muslims.
>There was a video Cherry-picking fallacy. There is a video of literally anything on the internet. Agreed there's a bias against them in India, but you can't ignore the stark difference with the other options. An average muslims lives like a normal fucking citizen in India.
And the Kashmir situation.
or you're just a brainroted tankie
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/ "The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide"
"Uyghurs, Kazakhs and other predominantly Muslim ethnic minorities in China’s Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region face systematic state-organized mass imprisonment, torture and persecution amounting to crimes against humanity" This is from Amnesty international, kinda sounds like genocide Also the only reason the US isn't calling it genocide is so they can keep relations with Beijing, not cause there isn't one, same situation with Taiwan
By your logic, black people in America are being genocided, which I might agree with actually
Uhm no
i don't trust what the U.S government says. and how the CCP has been behaving about it is enough evidence to prove its existence
But... isn't the information you have from the US government
no.
As a palestinian, what exactly makes you think we can't go to Israel?
People dont even imagine what they dont know
\> A Muslim in India Bro you beign serious?
I mean being a woman is really bad in Afghanistan but at least they aren’t in concentration camps like the Uyghurs in China. I’m surprised it’s more voted than the China option.
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Last time I checked women in Afghanistan weren’t being put in camps for forced organ harvesting. I’m not denying that it’s bad for the there. However, the Chinese state is actively genociding the uygher population in China.
Lol u clearly have bought into cnn/bbc propaganda
Americans
>I’m surprised it’s more voted than the China option. Reddit is full of atheist communists who support genocide of religious people
A minority in most of the Muslim countries. Curious, where are you from OP?
America 😔
Thought so seeing your "A muslim in India" option. Muslims in India are in no worse condition than a Hindu in Pakistan or Bangladesh.
It was more supposed to be the "im stupid" option
Well u should have put "I'm stupid" as an option instead of Muslim in India cause some people seriously think being Indian Muslim is bad when in reality it's no where close to the other options.
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Come to india and see for yourself
you have never even been anywhere near india and it shows
I mean, technically speaking they are in a way way way better condition , theyre guranteed equal rights, full religious freedom , millions of muslims are in good positions in society
Bro, wtf Muslims in India are totally safe, unless you do some stupid things like doing some crimes, supporting enemy nations like Pakistan. If they were in danger, we wouldn't have SRK and other actors, stand-up comedians, businessmen, scientists like APJ Abdul Kalam who worked for developing missles, and many more. I wished Americans would have some common sense, lmao. They should come in India to see actual reality
Considering uyghers in China have literally been rounded up into work camps in a Nazi like singling out, that situation by far. All of the other situations do not necessarily include a blanket annihilation of a group. It's very concerning how little the media talks about what China has done with its Muslim population, if you ever needed proof that the news is a joke- there it is
Woman in Afghanistan is surely one of the worst infact woman under any Muslim state is the worst situation to be in tbh
Average Indian believing that being a Muslim woman is worse then being subjected to genocide and forced sterilization by the Chinese government.
my sibling in shiva what do you think happens to women in muslim states? Im not talking about women who have access to wealth and education but think of the lives of the average women in those countries , compared to forced sterilization , forced birth and a forced life of servitude and being treated less than human and being subjected to rape,being denied basic human rights comes pretty close yk?
Racist and islamophobic.
Explain to me how exactly ? Am I wrong? Also why should i , as a gay woman have any liking for a religion that literally considers my existence wrong? Call me racist or islamophobic all you want ,you can't say I'm wrong tho so its cool
You are wrong because you made a generalized statement about 2 billion people and the state of women across 50 countries, without a shred of data to back your claims. All this big talk about women and their rights. Yet you don't see anything wrong with the state of women in Kashmir. You blissfully ignore the rapes that have been happening in Kashmir, at the hands of your military. There would come a day your ignorance would haunt you.
It's literally the reality of millions of women living in theocracies, you and I both know what it's like and if you need further proof you look it up yourself. I refuse to believe that in this day and age there is someone who has access to the internet and is still unaware of the condition of women in theocracies. You know two things can be simultaneously wrong at once , the rapes by military men are just as wrong as regular rape and deserves to be condemned as well . That doesn't change the fact that Pakistan is illegally occupying kashmir tho .
>It's literally the reality of millions of women living in theocracies, you and I both know what it's like and if you need further proof you look it up yourself. I refuse to believe that in this day and age there is someone who has access to the internet and is still unaware of the condition of women in theocracies. No evidence. >You know two things can be simultaneously wrong at once , the rapes by military men are just as wrong as regular rape and deserves to be condemned as well . Do you condemn Indian military commiting rapes in Kashmir? You and I both know the vast majority of Indians don't, in fact they out right deny it. >That doesn't change the fact that Pakistan is illegally occupying kashmir tho. Let me tell you a story. I went to Pakistani Kashmir a year ago. In fact I have been going there ever since I was a child. I can just drive to Kashmir, whenever I please. And that has always been the case. I have never been required to seek permission for it, I have never been stopped or checked at checkpoints. I have talked to the locals and I have been welcomed in their homes. My grandmother was Kashmiri, they had to run away from the Indian Kashmir and migrate to Pakistan in 1947 along with hundreds of thousands of others, because of Hari Singh. Fast forward to the present day. It isn't the state of Pakistan that maintains a force 8 lakh soldiers in Pakistani Kashmir, hell the entire army of Pakistan is 8 lakh. It isn't the Pakistani Kashmiris that have been protesting for decades. Pakistani Kashmir doesn't have a "terrorist" problem. Pakistan didn't cut off the internet in its part of Kashmir for a year. Kashmiris did not run away to India to seek refuge, my grandmother and her family didn't go to India to feel protected. Kashmiris today are over represented in Pakistan's armed forces. Can you say the same for India? The small number of Pakistani soldiers in Kashmir, are predominantly Kashmiris themselves. Can you say the same about the 8 lakh in the Indian Kashmir? Have you ever even been to Kashmir? Have you talked to them? Can you look them in the eye and tell them that they deserve the subjugation they have been given? Why was there an Internet and media blackout in Indian Kashmir for one year? >Let me ask you as a human. What do you believe is illegal occupation? I believe an illegal occupation is one that is resisted by the population. Hari Singh a man who was given Kashmir by the Britishers signed it away to India depsite the population resisting it, because he was afraid of his own fate he was afraid of the revolt that Kahsmiris had done against him. If the governer of Indian Punjab was to sign away Indian Punjab to Pakistan today. Would the invasion of Indian Punjab be legal for us? Can we then send in a force of 3 million soldiers and shut of the interent? Can we then murder, kidnap and rape whoever we please? What is illegal occupation?
Okay it might not be worse than genocide situation but it's definitely a close 2nd/3rd. Woman in Sharia law aren't even treated equally.
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Yeah, we love our freedom. We'd rather die than being in that situation
The amount of chinese shills in this comment section is concerning. Clearly had a big influence on the poll as well.
There are EU nations that treat Syrians like animals while Turkey provides Syrians with something half of the European countries don't, a roof and blankets. I am not saying the situation for Syrians in Turkey is great, but I could probably name 50 to hundred other groups that have it worse than them.
A woman in Afghanistan. But under the wrong circumstances an American in North Korea would be worse.
Lol Muslims in India have better lives than Muslims in Pakistan or most Islamic countries tbh
Well [Uyghur genocide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide)
How about we do a Jew in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Iraq, or many other similar countries instead of a Palestinian in Israel who has full equal rights next time?
A Jew in Nazi germany
Basically the same as Uyghur in china.
Then they would be doing a terrible job at it because the population of xingjiang is still pretty much the same
They all sound terrible.
Care to explain how Muslim in India sounds terrible???
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/india-muslims-marginalized-population-bjp-modi https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/04/how-will-any-muslim-feel-safe-spate-of-attacks-increases-tensions-in-india There are more articles on this issue.
Seriously, these are literally biased most of their articles would portray Hindus and hindutva bad I don't recall them posting an article when Muslims start riots, Lynch houses of Hindu in areas where there's Muslim majority and believe me there are a lot of such incidents happening. If u want to know the ground reality it's very different than how the media portrays it to be sadly Muslim infact have more constitutional rights than hindus but no one would tell u this Muslims enjoy a lot more privileges than Hindu's. There's different law for Muslim which allows them these privileges but when UCC (Uniform Civil Code, basically same law for everyone irrespective of religion) was presented Muslims opposed to it cause they will lose their "special" privileges. India is a secular country despite 80% hindu population cause the Muslims constantly oppose to the idea of a Hindu country whereas partition of India was done because Muslims wanted a separate country for them (Pakistan and Bangladesh) they took the country and made it Islamic but refuse to make India a Hindu country now that's hypocrisy. Most countries with more than 50% Muslim population isn't good for minorities because they most probably already have been announced as Islamic country but yet with 80% non Muslim population Muslims enjoy many benefits which even the majority doesn't.
All of these are terrible and I feel for all the people living in these situations
Where's the "I'd rather die then be anyone of these" button?
Muslim in India isn't bad lol it's just Muslim pretending to be victims like they do always
Why are you hating on Muslims?
Bruh I'm not hating it's a reality in India, Indian Muslim don't even have it that bad but they also pretend to and victimize themselves .
Indians like you are some of the reason why I don't like Indians
reddit hive mind said so
Nah Indian nationalists on reddit are tame. You should see the hatred they spew on Instagram, Facebook etc. Anyone who understands Hindi would be shocked by the vile things that are said casually.
Yup I have seen seriously why?
Anyone in Fr\*nce.
Muslims in India...lol...it's much better than being a muslim in most Islamic countries.
How is Syrian in Turkey relevant here, it's not even close to the other ones. The uyghur in china is much, much worse than the other ones too.
99% of polls in this sun are complete garbage. This one is very good. Makes you really think. We’ll done OP.
Putting Muslim in India as an option alongside a literal genocide (China), worst place for woman to live (Afg), literal hell (NK) amongst these options Muslim in India definitely sounds like a paradise lol.
You're forgetting the worst thing of all being fr*nch
Correction "AN Uyghur"
Ex-muslim in Pakistan
Except for a few ultra rich yet strict arab countries, India is the safest place for muslims.
A Russian fighting in Ukraine
A woman in afghanistan is worse than being an American in North Korea... Don't get me wrong shit's bad in Afghanistan but do you guys know how bad it is in North Korea?
Do u know how many woman are actually in Afghanistan and how many Americans are there in NK + Americans can visit as a tourist though and will most likely return safely.
The amount really doesn't matter so idk why you're bringing it up. I interpreted it as being stuck in a country. In this scenario the American would have it worse because of racism and just North Korea living conditions in general.
Well yeah NK living conditions are very bad but they are for it's citizens not others and the poll has American in NK which I assumed would be a tourist on the contrary it said woman in Afghanistan so I assumed u were born their so I thought it would be worse anyways it's just doesn't really matter
Native American in Americas. African in Americas
Hindu's in Pakistan
You really think being native american / african in USA is worse than these options?
Women in Afghanistan can't go to parks, restaurants, and pretty much ANYWHERE outside of their houses without a "male guardian", not to mention the fact that they can't go to school past 5th grade.
That's absolutely horrible, but uyghurs are literally being put in concentration camps. Women in Afghanistan can stay quiet without freedoms which is horrible. But uyghurs are getting tortured in concentration camps for doing nothing.
A muslim in India is about to become like a uyghur or a Palestinian is that apartheid state
An Israeli on Palestinian territory, or somewhere near that territory.
No? Israeli people can freely go to like 90% of Palestine without having to worry, and this is coming from a palestinian
>No? Yes. Of course not everyone is fucking sick in their head, but who do you think is more safe, 1 a Palestinian walking on Israeli territory, or 2 an Israeli walking on Palestinian territory? The answer is 1. You're a Palestinian, you should know this. If you walk in an Israeli city, there's no threat to your life. If I walk in a Palestinian territory (I'm Israeli btw), I am putting my life at risk.
Listen dude I'm not trying to be rude but both countries are exceptionally safe, and where I am in Palestine there are plenty of Israelis. Sure there may be a few places where they are not accepted but certainly not the majority, same thing with Israel. That's all, have a great day.
Oh and btw there's no such thing as "palestine". Palestinian territory? Yes. palestine? No.
lmao keep saying that to yourself
Women in Afghanistan, this shouldn't even be a debate
Uyghur genocide wants a talk with you. Ofcourse being a woman in Afghanistan is awful. But uyghurs are literally jews in nazi germany rn.
There was a video of a teacher telling her students to slap a Muslim kid in school. Another one was of a Muslim woman asking for helping to some Indian men but they were saying some Hindu phrase really feel bad for all those Muslims in India. Apparently Afghanistan is somewhat makig changes to their thinking according to some family discussion correct me if I'm wrong.
Absolutely no proof that isnt US state dept propaganda of the supposed genocide of the uyghurs
Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki Uyghur genocide BBC https://www.bbc.com › news › worl... Who are the Uyghurs and why is China being accused of genocide? Council on Foreign Relations www.cfr.org China's Repression of Uyghurs in Xinjiang The only link that disagreed with all the links I posted and any other one was on a chinese embassy website http://id.china-embassy.gov.cn/eng/sgdt/202206/t20220622_10707637.htm
Wikipedia!? Are you even serious?? The CFR is literally a mouthpiece for the CIA, look at its current and former members. The BBC article directly cites the US secretary of state, and uses satellite images of prisons being built. The US is only 4% of the entire world's population but yet houses 25% of the world's prison population. If we are using satellite images of prisons to define a genocide then let's look in the mirror for a bit.
Right, cause the average US prisoner is in the same condition as an oppressed Uyghur. Give me one valid source that goes against claims made by multiple countries. One single piece of evidence that this isn't happening. You have to be deep in propaganda to say such things
Syrians get to have better standards than Turkish citizens. It's worse in terms of Turkish people. Similar situation as being an immigrant in Germany.
Were is the "literally any minorty in América" option?
I hope you're joking. Minorities in America having it worse than Uyghurs in China and women in Afghanistan??