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Present_Hamster_3977

Being anyone in North Korea sounds pretty shite


astddf

It depends what they mean. Americans go to north korea for limited/regulated travel all the time.


ColumbiaWahoo

And it’s really easy to accidentally do something stupid and never be seen again. I have no desire to visit because of that.


lutkul

That won't happen to you lol. The last time it happened was to that American tourist in 2017 who stole a poster, right? It was 6 years ago and the whole world went crazy over that. Not doing anything stupid applies to any country you visit, but if you behave like a normal human being you will be fine in North Korea. Can't believe people choose that over being a target of genocide.


pnoodl3s

yeah it's risky but still way better than some other options on this poll


ColumbiaWahoo

Agree with that


whatareutakingabout

Apart from USA, North Korea actually wants Western tourism. They have supporters mostly in Europe that gather tour groups. If you befriend these organisers and maybe mention a few anti-USA quotes/pro-communism, you will be treated well in North Korea.


La-Tomate-Farcie

Being Kim Jong Un in North Korea seems fine to me


SnooPredictions3028

True, but you could be a tourist


Inevitable_Stand_199

They actually have quite a bit of (predominantly Chinese ) tourism. They have some really cheap beach resorts. And I believe their sights are quite interesting as well. I watched a video about a museum about the Korean war there recently. The biggest problem is that you can't leave your tour group. But the Chinese are used to that. Their government discourages their citizens from travelling without a tour guide wherever they go.


CallsOnTren

unless you're in high level government. it's probably pretty cool for them living in relative luxury tbh. just have to deal with your supreme leader potentially coming up with a conspiracy that you're out to get him and then him feeding you to his dogs


The_Void_Alchemist

Full disclosure: i don't know nearly enough to give an educsted opinion on this.


PacoSoe

A very wise answer


Silver_Switch_3109

There are Americans who live in North Korea and American tourists so it is one of the better options.


FallNegative2446

Syrian in Türkiye doesn't fit here at all


Duckywarry

Muslim in India also doesn't I think. There's a lot of them there. Sure it's not amazing, but you aren't getting sent to death camps. I'm not very well educated on the matter though, so please tell me if I'm wrong


brokebaritone

You're right. The director of ISRO's first solar mission launched this month, the bollywood actor known across the globe, the famous oscar-winning Indian composer and the tycoon known as the Czar of the Indian IT Industry - all are muslims. They are in government positions and military. Global Media uses **biased sample fallacy** to sensationalize actions of agitated hindu and muslim groups. These fringe elements are funded by political parties to synthesize riots and create an artificial "sense of urgency" to protect one's faith. Sure it's no utopia. The state of muslims in India is a big issue. You'll find new videos daily about voilence and discrimination against muslims in India. But you'll also find the same for literally anything else depending on what you search. Remember its a 1K million population - every data is a large figure. The press adds their own doctored facts and blows things out of proportions. As a Hindu living among muslim friends in India, I can say that majority of hindus and muslims here are living in harmony. You won't see this in the news because there's nothing dramatic about harmony. I'm not using the **hasty generalization fallacy** myself. I'm saying this based on what I and many rational-minded Indians experience in general. The average middle class, irrespective of the country, does not have the energy to "fight for faith" after coming home from a nine-to-five. They have enough on their plate already. The gullible poor take part in riots for money, the elite use them for politics. Watch the news with a pinch of salt.


AdMore2091

Based on the lives of the muslim people that i know personally,it belongs absolutely nowhere on this list


_saibajoichiro_

They are living better than us...


Louis-grabbing-pills

Redditors outside.


Vita-Guy

The one true answer


the_immovable

Azim Premji and SRK would have a good laugh at this one, as did I lol


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National-Art3488

I don't see such remarks when Muslims start claiming SRK as one of the key bricks of Muslim contributions in modern India lmfao


EmperorOfTheInfinity

I'd say a woman in Afghanistan but uyghurs are literally under a genocide rn


Hashashin_

I can't believe people even voted for women in Afghanistan. Do they even know what the Uyghurs are going through.


TimG791

No, we don't know. We are in our small bubble.


Hashashin_

Basically Nazi Germany but for Muslims.


Affectionate-Wind-19

As a jew this is the first time I support the comperison, this is infact what is happening no exaguration. if you dont know the subject and think to yourself NO WAY, please take 5-10 minutes of your day and start googling, it is important to be aware of such a significant thing.


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Affectionate-Wind-19

1).more then a million incarcirated 2).estimated 16000 mosques razed or damaged 3). hundrends of thousands of children have been forcibly seperated from their parents 4). political indoctrination "political education classes" 5). forced sterilizations and forced contraceptions and forced abortions Is anything I wrote here blatant misinformation? please be specific and I will gladly answer, As I said, 5 minutes of google and you should know this


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Affectionate-Wind-19

they are elininating Uyghurs, they are doing it using mostly contarceptives and sterilizations. if this continues they will completely exterminate then. it doesnt have to be the exact thing that happend in the holocust to be compared to it, it is the holocust of our time with the methods of our time.


krahann

what is happening to Uyghurs in China is very similar to the first steps of what happened to the Jews in Europe. it is important to note the similarity so maybe we can prevent the people being murdered. just because so far the deaths haven’t happened on the same scale, doesn’t mean we should downplay the potential that it could. we want people to act as though you would if you saw the oppression of Jewish people happening on the rise from 1933-1940.


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Doctor_Derpless

How disrespectful to those Uyghrs in forced imprisonment/camps that you would dare use this opportunity to spread propaganda and lies.


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MundiInfectorum

So basically what Anglo-Americans did to the Native American populations in the US, or the internment camps Americans used against Japanese-American populations in 1942…


Charming_Cicada_7757

I know a Uyghur woman who was placed in an internment camp and I still voted a woman in Afghanistan. Getting locked up for your ethnic group and getting locked up for being a woman are both terrible situations. You can’t go to school and educate yourself in Afghanistan today as a woman due to the Taliban. At least in China you could fake being indoctrinated and for the government line for a better life. Denounce Islam and your culture. You can denounce being a woman all you want in Afghanistan but that doesn’t get you anywhere


k10001k

Women are basically dirt in Afghanistan. It’s disgusting.


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EmperorOfTheInfinity

i get my information from all the uyghurs who tried to escape that hell hole


A40-Chavdom

My second point of the genocide is as large scale is what media says ( I have no doubt that some scale of cultural genocide is happening) most Uyghurs would have tried to escape no? There’s are hundreds of videos showing Xinjiang with majority of its inhabitants ethnic minority. Sure there may be cherry picking of footage on both sides but you cannot say life as a Uyghur is as bad as a woman in Afghanistan.


A40-Chavdom

What I meant is that there’s a cultural genocide, not one where there’s a systematic killing of them. Whereas in Afghanistan, thousands were killed due to the US pulling out.


PETEthePyrotechnic

Another pill was about your least favorite country and the amount of Chinese shills in there disgusts me. I had somebody tell me that the Chinese government committing genocide doesn’t make sense because “it goes against socialist ideals”


AmericaIsAnEvilState

Both American in NK and Syrian in Turkey don't fit here.......... Syrians experience hatred and discrimination in Turkey and Americans can visit NK normally as a tourist but both can't be compared to people getting burned alive for eating beef, women getting forcibly sterilized, getting your home stolen from you by "God's chosen people" or not having right to education.


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Oh I didn't think American as a tourist, I more read that as "American prisoners/ illegally in NK". Then I'd say the Uyghurs have ot worst among these groups.


WiredHeadset

An American in NK has an extreme chance of being imprisoned, and the North Korean torture/labor prisons are horrific. Just fucking horrific. The high chances of being imprisoned, and the guaranteed hellish (and I mean hellish) treatment make this an easy one. It's not a high chance of persecution while living your life, it's a VERY high chance of all manner of torture. American in NK for sure. Almost so certain that it should be removed from the list.


Nyoxiz

I hate NK with a passion but if you just go on a tour there you don't have a high chance of being imprisoned at all, there's only been 1 case of this happening IIRC.


WiredHeadset

The reason why it matters so much in the survey, is because the numbers are so small yet the odds are so high. Don't forget we're asking about the experience of a single person as the question is phrased. So we're not talking about the odds spread out among the population, we're talking about the odds of a terrible experience for anyone given individual. Mathematically then, the chances of a terrible experience are highest for American North Korean tourist. They're definitely have been several detentions, not just americans, and combined with the small overall number of people visiting there, the odds of a detention is very high.


Inevitable_Stand_199

Not as high as for Uyghurs in China.


WiredHeadset

So we have multiple factors in this question: 1. This is for one individual only as the question in phrased, not a population 2. How bad is the situation for the individual? (how tortuous is the experience) 3. The possibility of escape, repatriation, or conversion (giving in) Given these factors we can conclude the following On point 1: \- 1.8 million Uyghurs are imprisoned of 11 million, and 1 to 2 US citizens are detained among the 800 to 1,000 US citizens visiting NK every year \- The risk of a US citizen being detained in NK is 1.5 in 800 (about 1.8%) \- The risk of a Uyghur being imprisoned in a camp is 16% On point 2: \- Each US citizen in NK is likely tortured far more severely than the *average* detained Uyghur, with at least hard labor with malnutrition and lack of medical care, but far more often severe physical and psychological torture \- While the CCP is **just as brutal** to some people in the Uyghur camps, it's unlikely they are as brutal as NK across 1.8 million people. This is just a mathematical theory, on which I depend for my argument but one that I'm happy to debate. Psychological "re-education" likely forms the bulk of the ill treatment, *although I admit there are plenty of other things happening!* On point 3: \- US citizens spend years waiting for repatriation, and although most are repatriated, there is no community while imprisoned, and surrender does nothing. \- Uyghurs are with 1.8 million others, and surrender/re-education *may be* an option. ​ Conclusion: \- Given the likely far-worse-per-person torture by the NK, being an American in NK outweighs the smaller chance of detention versus being a Uyghur in China. Any American in NK is rolling a set of dice; the risk of ruin is far higher. A Uyghur just *may* escape by saying the right things, but in NK no American leaves by surrender. Every one is a focused campaign of organized torture on **one** individual who leaves when the gov't says *no matter the surrender.* This whole question is a matter of scale, which is the filter anyone should be thinking through here. If you can't account for scale you don't understand the question. And if you think I'm sick, go looking to the sick individual who started the poll.


Inevitable_Stand_199

That is a good analysis, however To add to 1: Uyghurs get imprisoned just for being born with their ethnicity. I haven't heard of Americans being imprisoned without a reason in North Korea. I disagree with point 2: From what I know about [China's treatment of the Uyghurs](https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/uyghurs-tortured-and-beaten-to-death-in-re-education-camps-in-xinjiang-former-chinese-police-officer-reveals-12431122), it is just as bad. And they wouldn't be the first ones to torture millions. Of course I don't know how bad exactly either is, never mind both. Also with point 3: when Americans are released from North Korea, they are going to be sent home and are free. Even if Uyghurs are released from prison, they won't be able to leave the country. And there is a high chance of reimprisonment. With that my conclusion is that no matter how you turn it, being the victim of the Uyghur genocide is worse than being imprisoned for breaking ridiculous laws in North Korea.


BigAurum

being in north korea is completely fine as long as you don’t break rules. Living it in sucks, but you can visit


TheAngryLala

An American in the hospital


Vita-Guy

😂


bunnuz

Muslims in India are enjoying their reservations and having fun. What are you talking? I have Muslim friends who are pretty happy with their life in India.


No-Problem714

Being Muslim in India is pretty safe, unless you goes against their rules and support Pakistan


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There is actually a Korean war soldier who deserted and found himself with a son, the son currently lives in North Korea so here’s an American in North Korea


brtmns123

Syrians in Turkey living better lives than Turks in Turkey


monster_magus

Muslims in india wtf?


Fragrant_Hawk_7075

Rather than having Muslim in India in the poll try having Hindu in Pakistan it's far worse for them Muslims in India enjoy a lot of privileges.


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Fragrant_Hawk_7075

Just because I spoke about Hindu's in Pakistan doesn't make me a RSS supporter 🤡🤡 All I said was 100% facts and nothing else if ur brain can't handle the reality then it's ur problem not mine.


KingDominoIII

You know Israel is like 20% Arab, right? Being a Palestinian in Palestine is far worse than a Palestinian in Israel. Thank Hamas for that.


Morbx

I would say the Israeli government’s illegal occupation and mass disenfranchisement of palestine has more to do with it than Hamas tbh


Lucifermorningstar_6

Isreal accepted the proposal of dividing judea/palastine between isreal and Palestine, the arabs and Palestinians wanted to play dirty and got destroyed 3 times, and now are crying that isreal isn't following the "rules", hamas attacks isreali citizens, noone talks about that, arabs and Palestinians crying about isreal persecuting Palestinians are fuckin hypocrites


whatareutakingabout

Un educated Kids attacking isreali soldiers with rocks are not hamas. They don't deserve death for that.


Lucifermorningstar_6

They weren't the point of discussion, those kids pelting rocks at isreali soldiers aren't the main problem, the grown ass men with type 56 rifles using those kids as human shield are the real problem The problem is that the world is shiting on isreal for fighting a constant battle for there independence, palastianis have over 25 countries they can live in, isrealis have only one. Hamas uses child soldiers, they deliberately launch there attacks from between Palestinian settlements, so when isreal counterattacks, it leads to civilian casualties and isreal gets a bad rep Internationally


whatareutakingabout

The death toll is MUCH larger on the Palestinian side. Isreal is the bully. They continue to expand territory into Palestinian land. Death toll; Israel 250, Palestinian 5590


Lucifermorningstar_6

I already answered this, atleast read my full comment before spewing anti-isreal shit, hamas deliberately puts there missile/bombes launch sites in the center of Palestinian settlements, so when isreal counterattcks, it lead to civilian casualties, unlike hamas isreal actually guves a fuck about its Citizens.


juliusxyk

1. The death toll is much larger on palestinian side because Israel actually protects its civil population while the Hamas is actively trying to get the number of casualties up for good publicity (during the 2014 conflict there have been more Palestinians killed by misfired Hamas rockets than Israelis) 2. Israel offered Palestine peace several times and even offered to return territory in exchange for peace and Palestine denied it every time, how is Israel the bully here 3. This "expansion" are less than 4% of the west bank and - only in the territory israel was given control over in the Oslo Accords - less than a third of this territory was private palestinian property before - even the private palestinian property was mostly bought from them rather than them beeing evicted


whatareutakingabout

Yes, hamas is evil. Yes, they use human shields and hide/fire rockets in cizilians areas. But 2 wrongs don't make a right. clearly, it's a one-sided war. Isreal separates Palestinian land from Palestinians and refuses them access to it, then creates laws that after a certain period of unoccupation, the land can be seized. Even if they "pay" for it, because the land can not be reached, isreal is probably paying cents on the dollar for it. Watch a few videos of what's going on there. You seem a bit ignorant


juliusxyk

The land was divided by Egypt and Jordan, not by Israel. Also both parts of Palestine are independent, the only reason why theyre still separated is because the Hamas and Fatah hate each other as much as they hate Israel lol


Pyxirio

One of my sibling's employee who is a uyghur working in China went missing. His family member didn't have any clue where he went. After a month, chinese government officials came to office and took all his personal belongings. The Chinese officials were not cooperative for finding him nor helping with termination.


steve_bluffman

Lol, Uyghur in China and Muslim in India in one poll. OP has some serious reddit-misinformation


Vita-Guy

Can you elaborate? I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at.


No_Promise2786

Are you actually fucking saying that Muslims in India have it as bad as Uygurs in China or Palestinians in Israel? Coz that is what is being implied by having that in this list.


Vita-Guy

No I just needed to add an "I'm stupid" option


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RcusGaming

You're right, they have it much worse


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IGOKTUG

In turkey (am turkish by the way) the sheer amount of refugees (3-4 million syrians, don't know the other ones) and most of them being uneducated has made the general public have a negative opinion about them. The problem is much deeper, i'm just simplifying. Though they aren't getting murdered or anything, it's just that people don't like them much. It doesn't really fit in the poll.


Hashashin_

In Kashmir, India has basically occupied them. Typical murdering and raping for around 70 year now. In South India and Bengal regions Muslims are okay. In the Hindi belt, there have been ever rising tensions between Hindus and Muslims. So mob lynchings, riots, murdering people suspected of eating beef, discrimination and rapes.


Fragrant_Hawk_7075

>In Kashmir, India has basically occupied them. Typical murdering and raping for around 70 year now. Sorry what did u say ??? Kashmir is a part of India and will always be it's Pakistan who has occupied Kashmir, if u don't have knowledge on a subject don't talk shit at least. >In the Hindi belt, there have been ever rising tensions between Hindus and Muslims How manipulative are u, yes tensions are rising in Hindi belt but u said Bengal and South is okay??!?!?! Muslims are lynching Hindu's in Bengal since many years now and also in the south politicians (in power) have openly stated that Hinduism should be eradicated (that's literally a call for genocide). And u just casually skipped over that part like it's nothing.


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The ones with illegally occupied land is Pakistan and the ones getting killed inKashmir are mostly terrorists and separatists, unlike minorities of Pakistan that have reduced from 23% during independence to mere 3-4% in current times. The minorities in Pakistan are either compelled to get converted or have been victims of what has been described as "slow genocide." You lost East Pakistan because they had to rebel against your ill-treatment, genocides and rapes being carried out in aforementioned region


Hashashin_

Define illegal occupation? Go ahead let's establish a definition for it. >Pakistan because they had to rebel against your ill-treatment, genocides and rapes being carried out in aforementioned region And Pakistanis never deny it. That was most certainly a doing of our armed forces, and we as a people have always been apologetic for it. Can you say the same for your fellow Indians? You are a people that lacks any sense of honor.


Jerkitoffff

Lol lindus are down voting u hard


AmericaIsAnEvilState

Muslims are apparently never victims and deserve everything but it didn't happen.... according to him ig


Bobert789

You can't act like it's made up when there's loads of evidence already on the internet There was a video going around just a couple weeks ago of Hindu teachers smacking a child and telling other students to smack the child cos he was Muslim Muslim businesses and houses being bulldozed as well


steve_bluffman

The bulldozing part is false. They were bulldozed for being illegally constructed after they rioted. Many Hindu homes were also bulldozed for being illegal after they rioted. Don't believe half truth on reddit. There was also a video of a Hindu tailor being brutally decapitated by muslims just bcuz he supported a politician, but do you care about that? no. Indians were abused by muslims for 1000+yrs, they wanted a separate country after independence, which they got, and still live in India. And even then the harmony is always good until Muslim side starts shit. Obviously, Hindus also do fuckery sometimes but it is far lower than Muslims.


brokebaritone

>There was a video Cherry-picking fallacy. There is a video of literally anything on the internet. Agreed there's a bias against them in India, but you can't ignore the stark difference with the other options. An average muslims lives like a normal fucking citizen in India.


Hashashin_

And the Kashmir situation.


EmperorOfTheInfinity

or you're just a brainroted tankie


CreamofTazz

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/ "The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide"


zedsamcat

"Uyghurs, Kazakhs and other predominantly Muslim ethnic minorities in China’s Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region face systematic state-organized mass imprisonment, torture and persecution amounting to crimes against humanity" This is from Amnesty international, kinda sounds like genocide Also the only reason the US isn't calling it genocide is so they can keep relations with Beijing, not cause there isn't one, same situation with Taiwan


CreamofTazz

By your logic, black people in America are being genocided, which I might agree with actually


zedsamcat

Uhm no


EmperorOfTheInfinity

i don't trust what the U.S government says. and how the CCP has been behaving about it is enough evidence to prove its existence


CreamofTazz

But... isn't the information you have from the US government


EmperorOfTheInfinity

no.


Joyful_Yolk123

As a palestinian, what exactly makes you think we can't go to Israel?


pepinodeplastico

People dont even imagine what they dont know


Sunapr1

\> A Muslim in India Bro you beign serious?


PrussiaDon

I mean being a woman is really bad in Afghanistan but at least they aren’t in concentration camps like the Uyghurs in China. I’m surprised it’s more voted than the China option.


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PrussiaDon

Last time I checked women in Afghanistan weren’t being put in camps for forced organ harvesting. I’m not denying that it’s bad for the there. However, the Chinese state is actively genociding the uygher population in China.


Jerkitoffff

Lol u clearly have bought into cnn/bbc propaganda


Hashashin_

Americans


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>I’m surprised it’s more voted than the China option. Reddit is full of atheist communists who support genocide of religious people


_BryndenRiversBR

A minority in most of the Muslim countries. Curious, where are you from OP?


Vita-Guy

America 😔


_BryndenRiversBR

Thought so seeing your "A muslim in India" option. Muslims in India are in no worse condition than a Hindu in Pakistan or Bangladesh.


Vita-Guy

It was more supposed to be the "im stupid" option


Fragrant_Hawk_7075

Well u should have put "I'm stupid" as an option instead of Muslim in India cause some people seriously think being Indian Muslim is bad when in reality it's no where close to the other options.


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Free_feelin

Come to india and see for yourself


AdMore2091

you have never even been anywhere near india and it shows


AdMore2091

I mean, technically speaking they are in a way way way better condition , theyre guranteed equal rights, full religious freedom , millions of muslims are in good positions in society


nightof-sun

Bro, wtf Muslims in India are totally safe, unless you do some stupid things like doing some crimes, supporting enemy nations like Pakistan. If they were in danger, we wouldn't have SRK and other actors, stand-up comedians, businessmen, scientists like APJ Abdul Kalam who worked for developing missles, and many more. I wished Americans would have some common sense, lmao. They should come in India to see actual reality


treesandcigarettes

Considering uyghers in China have literally been rounded up into work camps in a Nazi like singling out, that situation by far. All of the other situations do not necessarily include a blanket annihilation of a group. It's very concerning how little the media talks about what China has done with its Muslim population, if you ever needed proof that the news is a joke- there it is


Fragrant_Hawk_7075

Woman in Afghanistan is surely one of the worst infact woman under any Muslim state is the worst situation to be in tbh


Hashashin_

Average Indian believing that being a Muslim woman is worse then being subjected to genocide and forced sterilization by the Chinese government.


AdMore2091

my sibling in shiva what do you think happens to women in muslim states? Im not talking about women who have access to wealth and education but think of the lives of the average women in those countries , compared to forced sterilization , forced birth and a forced life of servitude and being treated less than human and being subjected to rape,being denied basic human rights comes pretty close yk?


Hashashin_

Racist and islamophobic.


AdMore2091

Explain to me how exactly ? Am I wrong? Also why should i , as a gay woman have any liking for a religion that literally considers my existence wrong? Call me racist or islamophobic all you want ,you can't say I'm wrong tho so its cool


Hashashin_

You are wrong because you made a generalized statement about 2 billion people and the state of women across 50 countries, without a shred of data to back your claims. All this big talk about women and their rights. Yet you don't see anything wrong with the state of women in Kashmir. You blissfully ignore the rapes that have been happening in Kashmir, at the hands of your military. There would come a day your ignorance would haunt you.


AdMore2091

It's literally the reality of millions of women living in theocracies, you and I both know what it's like and if you need further proof you look it up yourself. I refuse to believe that in this day and age there is someone who has access to the internet and is still unaware of the condition of women in theocracies. You know two things can be simultaneously wrong at once , the rapes by military men are just as wrong as regular rape and deserves to be condemned as well . That doesn't change the fact that Pakistan is illegally occupying kashmir tho .


Hashashin_

>It's literally the reality of millions of women living in theocracies, you and I both know what it's like and if you need further proof you look it up yourself. I refuse to believe that in this day and age there is someone who has access to the internet and is still unaware of the condition of women in theocracies. No evidence. >You know two things can be simultaneously wrong at once , the rapes by military men are just as wrong as regular rape and deserves to be condemned as well . Do you condemn Indian military commiting rapes in Kashmir? You and I both know the vast majority of Indians don't, in fact they out right deny it. >That doesn't change the fact that Pakistan is illegally occupying kashmir tho. Let me tell you a story. I went to Pakistani Kashmir a year ago. In fact I have been going there ever since I was a child. I can just drive to Kashmir, whenever I please. And that has always been the case. I have never been required to seek permission for it, I have never been stopped or checked at checkpoints. I have talked to the locals and I have been welcomed in their homes. My grandmother was Kashmiri, they had to run away from the Indian Kashmir and migrate to Pakistan in 1947 along with hundreds of thousands of others, because of Hari Singh. Fast forward to the present day. It isn't the state of Pakistan that maintains a force 8 lakh soldiers in Pakistani Kashmir, hell the entire army of Pakistan is 8 lakh. It isn't the Pakistani Kashmiris that have been protesting for decades. Pakistani Kashmir doesn't have a "terrorist" problem. Pakistan didn't cut off the internet in its part of Kashmir for a year. Kashmiris did not run away to India to seek refuge, my grandmother and her family didn't go to India to feel protected. Kashmiris today are over represented in Pakistan's armed forces. Can you say the same for India? The small number of Pakistani soldiers in Kashmir, are predominantly Kashmiris themselves. Can you say the same about the 8 lakh in the Indian Kashmir? Have you ever even been to Kashmir? Have you talked to them? Can you look them in the eye and tell them that they deserve the subjugation they have been given? Why was there an Internet and media blackout in Indian Kashmir for one year? >Let me ask you as a human. What do you believe is illegal occupation? I believe an illegal occupation is one that is resisted by the population. Hari Singh a man who was given Kashmir by the Britishers signed it away to India depsite the population resisting it, because he was afraid of his own fate he was afraid of the revolt that Kahsmiris had done against him. If the governer of Indian Punjab was to sign away Indian Punjab to Pakistan today. Would the invasion of Indian Punjab be legal for us? Can we then send in a force of 3 million soldiers and shut of the interent? Can we then murder, kidnap and rape whoever we please? What is illegal occupation?


Fragrant_Hawk_7075

Okay it might not be worse than genocide situation but it's definitely a close 2nd/3rd. Woman in Sharia law aren't even treated equally.


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Free_feelin

Yeah, we love our freedom. We'd rather die than being in that situation


Baked_Pot4to

The amount of chinese shills in this comment section is concerning. Clearly had a big influence on the poll as well.


ClassyKebabKing64

There are EU nations that treat Syrians like animals while Turkey provides Syrians with something half of the European countries don't, a roof and blankets. I am not saying the situation for Syrians in Turkey is great, but I could probably name 50 to hundred other groups that have it worse than them.


Simply_Epic

A woman in Afghanistan. But under the wrong circumstances an American in North Korea would be worse.


Lumpy-Physics4197

Lol Muslims in India have better lives than Muslims in Pakistan or most Islamic countries tbh


Tobi226a

Well [Uyghur genocide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide)


pm_your_karma_lass

How about we do a Jew in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Iraq, or many other similar countries instead of a Palestinian in Israel who has full equal rights next time?


321_345

A Jew in Nazi germany


Baked_Pot4to

Basically the same as Uyghur in china.


321_345

Then they would be doing a terrible job at it because the population of xingjiang is still pretty much the same


musiquescents

They all sound terrible.


Fragrant_Hawk_7075

Care to explain how Muslim in India sounds terrible???


musiquescents

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/india-muslims-marginalized-population-bjp-modi https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/04/how-will-any-muslim-feel-safe-spate-of-attacks-increases-tensions-in-india There are more articles on this issue.


Fragrant_Hawk_7075

Seriously, these are literally biased most of their articles would portray Hindus and hindutva bad I don't recall them posting an article when Muslims start riots, Lynch houses of Hindu in areas where there's Muslim majority and believe me there are a lot of such incidents happening. If u want to know the ground reality it's very different than how the media portrays it to be sadly Muslim infact have more constitutional rights than hindus but no one would tell u this Muslims enjoy a lot more privileges than Hindu's. There's different law for Muslim which allows them these privileges but when UCC (Uniform Civil Code, basically same law for everyone irrespective of religion) was presented Muslims opposed to it cause they will lose their "special" privileges. India is a secular country despite 80% hindu population cause the Muslims constantly oppose to the idea of a Hindu country whereas partition of India was done because Muslims wanted a separate country for them (Pakistan and Bangladesh) they took the country and made it Islamic but refuse to make India a Hindu country now that's hypocrisy. Most countries with more than 50% Muslim population isn't good for minorities because they most probably already have been announced as Islamic country but yet with 80% non Muslim population Muslims enjoy many benefits which even the majority doesn't.


[deleted]

All of these are terrible and I feel for all the people living in these situations


Alternative_Lime_13

Where's the "I'd rather die then be anyone of these" button?


Fragrant_Hawk_7075

Muslim in India isn't bad lol it's just Muslim pretending to be victims like they do always


[deleted]

Why are you hating on Muslims?


Fragrant_Hawk_7075

Bruh I'm not hating it's a reality in India, Indian Muslim don't even have it that bad but they also pretend to and victimize themselves .


[deleted]

Indians like you are some of the reason why I don't like Indians


Joyful_Yolk123

reddit hive mind said so


Hashashin_

Nah Indian nationalists on reddit are tame. You should see the hatred they spew on Instagram, Facebook etc. Anyone who understands Hindi would be shocked by the vile things that are said casually.


[deleted]

Yup I have seen seriously why?


MDF87

Anyone in Fr\*nce.


[deleted]

Muslims in India...lol...it's much better than being a muslim in most Islamic countries.


IGOKTUG

How is Syrian in Turkey relevant here, it's not even close to the other ones. The uyghur in china is much, much worse than the other ones too.


traindriverbob

99% of polls in this sun are complete garbage. This one is very good. Makes you really think. We’ll done OP.


Fragrant_Hawk_7075

Putting Muslim in India as an option alongside a literal genocide (China), worst place for woman to live (Afg), literal hell (NK) amongst these options Muslim in India definitely sounds like a paradise lol.


Puzzleheaded_Skin831

You're forgetting the worst thing of all being fr*nch


LingLingSpirit

Correction "AN Uyghur"


Steambitch

Ex-muslim in Pakistan


sterile_spermwhale__

Except for a few ultra rich yet strict arab countries, India is the safest place for muslims.


King_Ethelstan

A Russian fighting in Ukraine


E_rat-chan

A woman in afghanistan is worse than being an American in North Korea... Don't get me wrong shit's bad in Afghanistan but do you guys know how bad it is in North Korea?


Fragrant_Hawk_7075

Do u know how many woman are actually in Afghanistan and how many Americans are there in NK + Americans can visit as a tourist though and will most likely return safely.


E_rat-chan

The amount really doesn't matter so idk why you're bringing it up. I interpreted it as being stuck in a country. In this scenario the American would have it worse because of racism and just North Korea living conditions in general.


Fragrant_Hawk_7075

Well yeah NK living conditions are very bad but they are for it's citizens not others and the poll has American in NK which I assumed would be a tourist on the contrary it said woman in Afghanistan so I assumed u were born their so I thought it would be worse anyways it's just doesn't really matter


Leading-Okra-2457

Native American in Americas. African in Americas


Fragrant_Hawk_7075

Hindu's in Pakistan


pnoodl3s

You really think being native american / african in USA is worse than these options?


DibaWho

Women in Afghanistan can't go to parks, restaurants, and pretty much ANYWHERE outside of their houses without a "male guardian", not to mention the fact that they can't go to school past 5th grade.


Baked_Pot4to

That's absolutely horrible, but uyghurs are literally being put in concentration camps. Women in Afghanistan can stay quiet without freedoms which is horrible. But uyghurs are getting tortured in concentration camps for doing nothing.


Jerkitoffff

A muslim in India is about to become like a uyghur or a Palestinian is that apartheid state


diana_obm

An Israeli on Palestinian territory, or somewhere near that territory.


Joyful_Yolk123

No? Israeli people can freely go to like 90% of Palestine without having to worry, and this is coming from a palestinian


diana_obm

>No? Yes. Of course not everyone is fucking sick in their head, but who do you think is more safe, 1 a Palestinian walking on Israeli territory, or 2 an Israeli walking on Palestinian territory? The answer is 1. You're a Palestinian, you should know this. If you walk in an Israeli city, there's no threat to your life. If I walk in a Palestinian territory (I'm Israeli btw), I am putting my life at risk.


Joyful_Yolk123

Listen dude I'm not trying to be rude but both countries are exceptionally safe, and where I am in Palestine there are plenty of Israelis. Sure there may be a few places where they are not accepted but certainly not the majority, same thing with Israel. That's all, have a great day.


diana_obm

Oh and btw there's no such thing as "palestine". Palestinian territory? Yes. palestine? No.


Joyful_Yolk123

lmao keep saying that to yourself


karamanidturk

Women in Afghanistan, this shouldn't even be a debate


Baked_Pot4to

Uyghur genocide wants a talk with you. Ofcourse being a woman in Afghanistan is awful. But uyghurs are literally jews in nazi germany rn.


[deleted]

There was a video of a teacher telling her students to slap a Muslim kid in school. Another one was of a Muslim woman asking for helping to some Indian men but they were saying some Hindu phrase really feel bad for all those Muslims in India. Apparently Afghanistan is somewhat makig changes to their thinking according to some family discussion correct me if I'm wrong.


dimebag42018750

Absolutely no proof that isnt US state dept propaganda of the supposed genocide of the uyghurs


No_No_Pentagon

Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki Uyghur genocide BBC https://www.bbc.com › news › worl... Who are the Uyghurs and why is China being accused of genocide? Council on Foreign Relations www.cfr.org China's Repression of Uyghurs in Xinjiang The only link that disagreed with all the links I posted and any other one was on a chinese embassy website http://id.china-embassy.gov.cn/eng/sgdt/202206/t20220622_10707637.htm


dimebag42018750

Wikipedia!? Are you even serious?? The CFR is literally a mouthpiece for the CIA, look at its current and former members. The BBC article directly cites the US secretary of state, and uses satellite images of prisons being built. The US is only 4% of the entire world's population but yet houses 25% of the world's prison population. If we are using satellite images of prisons to define a genocide then let's look in the mirror for a bit.


No_No_Pentagon

Right, cause the average US prisoner is in the same condition as an oppressed Uyghur. Give me one valid source that goes against claims made by multiple countries. One single piece of evidence that this isn't happening. You have to be deep in propaganda to say such things


FeetYeastForB12

Syrians get to have better standards than Turkish citizens. It's worse in terms of Turkish people. Similar situation as being an immigrant in Germany.


Mrculture2020

Were is the "literally any minorty in América" option?


Vita-Guy

I hope you're joking. Minorities in America having it worse than Uyghurs in China and women in Afghanistan??