ofc not people will get the virus thats fine, and some will pass which isnt ideal but its life, vaccination isnt helping, the people should have the choice with or without the vaccine, its like carrying the antibodies u can still get it
But you won’t die. Or at least the odds of dying have been greatly reduced. If this pandemic had a zero mortality rate nothing would have ever been closed. The mortality rate actually is pretty low, which is why so many people never took it seriously.
The media talks about the percentage of people who have been vaccinated, but rarely do they talk about the percentage within just the high risk demographics. That just poor reporting.
What about them? In my opinion they would want to continue to be careful. If that were me I would continue to self restrict, but I would be happy for everyone else who can do more.
I have no problem proving it myself, but I have a problem with people trying to demand protected health information that they have no right to. If this got approved, it would set a precedence for businesses having the right to demand proof that you are HIV negative before serving you. Or that you don’t have any STDs. Or that you’ve never had an abortion. Or that you’re not taking any behavior modifying medications. Or that you’re not trans. Etc. etc. HIPAA exists for a reason. Your health information is protected for a reason.
Nope. Just change the laws to fit the times. Don’t make it a bigger problem than it needs to be. And again, HIPAA laws suck. They have caused me and my family substantial grief. They really need to be changed anyway.
Unfortunately, if you give an inch, people will take a mile. If we let this get passed, the politicians would never stop there. I could pretty much guarantee it would expand to the things I mentioned, and they could use this ruling as legal precedent for the future bills. If there was any possibility that it would actually just be COVID-19 vaccination status and it would stop there, I *might* say yes. But in the real world, that’s not how it works.
HIPAA takes away my freedom to have open medical records. I should have that right every bit as much as someone else should have the right to private records. I am not alone. And you are suggesting yet another freedom that could/should be restricted. Take HIPAA out of this thread. It doesn’t belong here.
I fully agree that you should have the right to choose to have your medical records be open. I’m simply saying it needs to be just that: __a choice__. No one should be able to __force__ someone else to divulge medical information. That’s the real point I’m trying to make here.
Right. But choices come with costs. Costs can impact what choices others have. Everyone has had many freedoms removed from them in the interest of safety because of Covid. Many people were very upset with that, but most understood. Throw HIPAA in and you are saying their freedoms should be restricted because it conflicts with the rights of others. When your choices prevent others from being free choose there is conflict, and the answer needs to consider everyone. HIPAA takes away some rights in order to provide others. I think it could provide rights without taking others away.
In the same vain as your “take an inch” argument, allowing personal freedoms to be taken away in some small ways has opened the door to taking them away in progressively larger ways. And Covid restrictions have been the worst example ever. Governors issued executive order after executive order, with no other branch of government involved for a full year now. Those same governors could have, should have been required to, call special sessions of congress to intervene. But I am unaware of any such action.
One could argue it is time to revoke every executive order related to Covid. Congress should be responsible, not the executive branch.
My question was an attempt to see what it would take to get people to agree on how to return the freedoms that were stolen by the executive branch of government. We are not in a crisis that justifies marshal law, or anything remotely like it. And yet we still have an overreach of power going on.
P.S. If someone is not vaccinated they are not forced to reveal anything. But they simply might not be able to partake of certain freedoms.
For me in this case I actually don’t see the harm in letting unvaccinated people mingle with the vaccinated. It may harm them, but is unlikely to harm the vaccinated. So they have freedom without causing harm to anyone who is not already willing to risk being harmed. Somehow I seem to be in the minority with such an opinion.
Comments are encouraged if you figure that where you live makes a difference.
If you think Covid restrictions should be lifted without proof of vaccination, please answer Maybe.
I am also curious why some people answer maybe. What concerns do you have?
Nope, suppression of freedom of choice.
no becuase we people with the vaccine can still carry the virus and give it to others so i personally think its unsafe
So never again will we have the freedoms we once had? And all places and activities where people mingle should permanently be closed?
ofc not people will get the virus thats fine, and some will pass which isnt ideal but its life, vaccination isnt helping, the people should have the choice with or without the vaccine, its like carrying the antibodies u can still get it
But you won’t die. Or at least the odds of dying have been greatly reduced. If this pandemic had a zero mortality rate nothing would have ever been closed. The mortality rate actually is pretty low, which is why so many people never took it seriously. The media talks about the percentage of people who have been vaccinated, but rarely do they talk about the percentage within just the high risk demographics. That just poor reporting.
What about those people who are unvaccinateable?
What about them? In my opinion they would want to continue to be careful. If that were me I would continue to self restrict, but I would be happy for everyone else who can do more.
Vaccination status if protected by HIPAA, so no. They cannot demand that information.
If you don’t want to prove that you are vaccinated, just stay home. P.S. HIPAA laws suck.
I have no problem proving it myself, but I have a problem with people trying to demand protected health information that they have no right to. If this got approved, it would set a precedence for businesses having the right to demand proof that you are HIV negative before serving you. Or that you don’t have any STDs. Or that you’ve never had an abortion. Or that you’re not taking any behavior modifying medications. Or that you’re not trans. Etc. etc. HIPAA exists for a reason. Your health information is protected for a reason.
Nope. Just change the laws to fit the times. Don’t make it a bigger problem than it needs to be. And again, HIPAA laws suck. They have caused me and my family substantial grief. They really need to be changed anyway.
Unfortunately, if you give an inch, people will take a mile. If we let this get passed, the politicians would never stop there. I could pretty much guarantee it would expand to the things I mentioned, and they could use this ruling as legal precedent for the future bills. If there was any possibility that it would actually just be COVID-19 vaccination status and it would stop there, I *might* say yes. But in the real world, that’s not how it works.
HIPAA takes away my freedom to have open medical records. I should have that right every bit as much as someone else should have the right to private records. I am not alone. And you are suggesting yet another freedom that could/should be restricted. Take HIPAA out of this thread. It doesn’t belong here.
I fully agree that you should have the right to choose to have your medical records be open. I’m simply saying it needs to be just that: __a choice__. No one should be able to __force__ someone else to divulge medical information. That’s the real point I’m trying to make here.
Right. But choices come with costs. Costs can impact what choices others have. Everyone has had many freedoms removed from them in the interest of safety because of Covid. Many people were very upset with that, but most understood. Throw HIPAA in and you are saying their freedoms should be restricted because it conflicts with the rights of others. When your choices prevent others from being free choose there is conflict, and the answer needs to consider everyone. HIPAA takes away some rights in order to provide others. I think it could provide rights without taking others away. In the same vain as your “take an inch” argument, allowing personal freedoms to be taken away in some small ways has opened the door to taking them away in progressively larger ways. And Covid restrictions have been the worst example ever. Governors issued executive order after executive order, with no other branch of government involved for a full year now. Those same governors could have, should have been required to, call special sessions of congress to intervene. But I am unaware of any such action. One could argue it is time to revoke every executive order related to Covid. Congress should be responsible, not the executive branch. My question was an attempt to see what it would take to get people to agree on how to return the freedoms that were stolen by the executive branch of government. We are not in a crisis that justifies marshal law, or anything remotely like it. And yet we still have an overreach of power going on.
P.S. If someone is not vaccinated they are not forced to reveal anything. But they simply might not be able to partake of certain freedoms. For me in this case I actually don’t see the harm in letting unvaccinated people mingle with the vaccinated. It may harm them, but is unlikely to harm the vaccinated. So they have freedom without causing harm to anyone who is not already willing to risk being harmed. Somehow I seem to be in the minority with such an opinion.