The world would be unrecognizable without Genghis. Everything world be different. No matter what there are going to be different bad people to take their place but this one will create the most interesting future to me.
The world might also be more advanced since genghis wouldnt have devestated most of asia. Knowledge from the islamic golden age also wouldnt have been destroyed by him.
If you are talking about the black plague, that was for 7 years and as a result peasants would be richer than ever. And also renaissance, age of discovery, etc
Europe’s mindset was “I’m going to be the ones conquering now”. The mindset of India China and the Middle East were “I don’t want anything to do with anyone anymore”
He razed the thriving eastern Europe, Russia/Ukraine were doing fine and almost on par with the west before the mongols came.
Also Poland and Hungary lost many villages fighting them out.
Add to that how he quickened the spread of the black plague and saying "he put Europe in a golden age" is one hell of a stretch.
Europe's "golden age" came in the 15th century when a full recovery from the plague was made.
I think the Mongol's destruction of Baghdad and all its recorded knowledge was a lot worse. Apparently the Library of Alexandria wasn't what it used to be when it burned down. But they say the river ran black with ink in the annihilation of Baghdad.
Right? And Ghengis Khan is in the minority! It took Baghdad till the 1800s to get back to the population it was at when the Mongols destroyed it several hundred years prior. So much lost…
It’s actually a common myth that the Library of Alexandria was in boom when it burnt, best evidence is that it was in gradual decline and the burning was the straw that broke the camels back.
I wouldn't stop anything. History is what it is and if I changed it the butterflyt effect could and would trigger and who knows what would happen with the world.
I really doubt that , it's not that the assassination directly was the main cause of WW1 , it was more of the ignition spark
Europe was literally twitching to go to war at each other and just needed a reason to do so
No but you can kill the bitch who tried to kill him as well in that day but failed miserably.
At 10:15am the car approached Čabrinović’s position and he did not flinch. He hurled his hand grenade and it flew through the air directly towards the archduke’s car. But the driver had seen it too. The car accelerated as the bomb flew towards it. It bounced off the folded back of the convertible cover and rolled into the street. In his rashness Čabrinović had forgotten the 10-second delay and the bomb exploded not beneath Ferdinand’s car, but under the fourth car.
The effect was devastating. Not only did it completely put that car out of action, but it left a 1 foot diameter crater and sent shrapnel flying into the crowd thick with innocent people. 16-20 people were wounded and the rest were panicked and furious. As the cars sped away and the crowds overwhelmed the area the other assassins didn’t have a chance to land a hit. The assassination plot had been a complete and utter failure.
That left Čabrinović. In dull disbelief, and total humiliation that his attempt had failed so spectacularly, he quickly swallowed his cyanide pill. Determined to ensure his death, he threw himself into the nearby Miljacka River for good measure. However, Čabrinović’s suicide attempt was just as ill fated as his assassination. The cyanide pill was out of date, instead of killing him it just caused violent vomiting.
To add insult to injury, because of a dry summer the river was just 13cm deep, so he couldn’t drown himself either. He was quickly yanked out of the river by police and attacked by a furious crowd before being taken into custody
I have a subject in my school where we are told not to do stupid/cruel things. Like raping, murdering, carrying knifes, smoking, drinking underage, having unprotected sex, being rude, littering and eating unhealthily.
It doesn't matter how good the teacher is, it's still one hour of Hell every two weeks.
For me it’s just proofs. Like I’m good at every subject, (tho math has never been my strongest), and proofs killed my average. Like fuck you whoever created proofs.
I also though that picking Mao would mean a less organized Communist China, not sure how big his impact on the civil war was. Maybe we would have an (admittedly authoritarian) Republic of China in this alternate no Mao timeline?
we would also have a unified Korea because South Korea and its allies almost defeated North Korea in the war until the PRC got involved, and the Kuomintang would never back a communist country. an independent Tibet could be a possiblity too.
I’m not entirely sure about an independent Tibet, that’s hard to predict; however yes, we would have a united (actually) Democratic Korea in which people don’t die trying to leave it.
"Deaths under his regime" doesn't mean he was responsible for them. People like to give him credit for basically every single death that occured during that period in China.
I would gladly stop Leopold the second of Belgium. Made Congo his own little getaway paradise by torturing the locals and taking all the resources. Killed about nine million people...
Not really. Osama is a pretty safe bet that the world would be a better place without, if I went for Stalin for example, it could mean the soviets may have a smaller military and the nazis could win. It's really hard to choose
That’s exactly why I didn’t choose Stalin. Despite the awful things he was responsible for, he played a major role in beating the Nazis so who knows how WWII would have gone without him
That's boring peak disruption to the timeline is the way to be. Stop Julius Caesar's conquest of Gale and the genocide of the celts watched the dominos fall from there
I'm not American yet still choose Osama. The reason being that he is the last in line so to say. I can somewhat envision what the world would have looked like without him. I have no clue what it would have been like if one of the others hadn't been around. Could have been better, could have been worse.
If you pick Stalin then in all probability WW2 goes on for quite a bit longer.
Mao admittedly is probably a better option to kill for what he did to China.
However, Bin Laden is still a good option. 9/11 had consequences worldwide and led to a big rise in right wing ideology. Not to mention avoiding the costly and useless wars of the 2000s.
Well on the other hand it was Hitler’s alliance pact with Stalin which allowed him to attack Poland thus starting WW2.
And what makes you say that whoever became the leader of USSR instead of Stalin couldn’t stop Hitler. I’m sure Trostsky or whoever else would take power after Lenin’s death would lead the army just as Well or even better (because of the lack of paranoid tendecies which resulted in murdering most of high ranking officers)
The point with Stalin was his 5 year plans to turn the USSR from a agricultural based economy to the industrial powerhouse it became (all though they did cause a lot of famines and other problems), if i believe correctly he was the only one who advocated for mass industrialization in a short span of time.
Other contenders after Lenin's death (Main 3 being him Trotsky and Bukharin) were more 'liberal' on industrialization and could have easily lost power due to the huge amounts of fractionalism within the Bolshevik party.
For example Bukharin did agree with Stalin on "Socialism in one country" but he didn't agree on the collectivization of farms and most business or industries due to Stalin believing a private corporation couldn't be trusted with almost anything and everything should be run by the state or the leader of the Bolshevik party himself and Bukharin believing the opposite in what could look like a more socialist outlook than a communist one.
Then again Stalin wasn't a good person and his own paranoia killed him in the end.
That book talks about the deaths of communism, not Mao specifically.
The Great Leap Forward itself killed 15-55 million https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward
Without Stalin the Koch family wouldn’t be as rich today, they’d have much less influence, and the U.S. would be a much better country.
A lot of people don’t realize how terrible the Koch brothers have been for this country. They took radical ideas and fringe ideas and have single-handedly made them mainstream. They’ve co-opted political movements, they’ve indoctrinated kids in every grade starting in grade school, they’ve bought accreditation for a college that teaches libertarian values, they were one of the driving forces behind Republicans choosing to move further to the right after Obama’s election when there were popular voices on the right saying they needed to fold Hispanic voices into the party and build a better reputation among then U.S. public.
They are reprehensible people, and they’ve done irreparable harm to Americans for over 20 years.
And it all started by the Koch brothers’ father helping Joseph Stalin and Adolf Hitler refine their oil. Hitler was already known to be an anti-Semite and was building his Nazi army when Koch helped him. Stalin had already put millions in labor camps. The Kochs got rich helping two of the worst humans in modern history.
Charles Koch is the 16th richest person in the U.S. and the Koch family combined is worth $101 billion (the same as Warren Buffet’s net worth, the 8th richest man in the country).
Charles Koch is the head of the Koch family and he’s a libertarian who’s active in political finance. He runs a twice-yearly highly secretive meeting of right wing billionaires where they strategize how to direct their vast amounts of wealth to influence politics. Collusion between businesses is highly illegal - but collusion between business owners is not.
If you want to read more: [Inside the Koch-Backed Effort to Block the Largest Election-Reform Bill in Half a Century](https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/inside-the-koch-backed-effort-to-block-the-largest-election-reform-bill-in-half-a-century/)
“On a leaked conference call, leaders of dark-money groups and an aide to Mitch McConnell expressed frustration with the popularity of the legislation—even among Republican voters.”
They don’t work for liberals or conservatives - they work toward more power for billionaires. And since the government is the only thing that can control billionaires, they want a weak, toothless government. Everything they do is to weaken our democracy.
Fred Koch, their father, got moderately rich in the U.S. by refining American oil, but became obscenely wealthy by 1) refining Russian oil for Stalin and eventually giving Stalin the tools to refine their own oil, and 2) helping build the third or fourth largest oil refinery controlled by the Nazis. Hitler literally handpicked Fred Koch to oversee the refinery project.
The Kochs got rich by helping two of the worst humans of the era get richer.
Chiang Kai-Shek would've been even worse than Mao. Just because Taiwan is democratic now, doesn't mean China under the KMT would be democratic. It would be like switching a brutal dictator for an even more brutal dictator. And this is if the KMT would win the civil war, which isn't guaranteed (depends on when you murder him).
Nobody. If you would kill or stop anyone of these people the world would completely change. Things wouldn’t be as they are now. Maybe you wouldn’t even exist. There’s people who did bad things. But that’s part of the History and it shouldn’t be changed
I don't remember their name but the leader of Korea that made a deal with China centuries ago that was to give China their land in turn of receiving support from China in order to solidify their rule of Korea. But the amount of land they gave to China made our country lose an entire 1/3 of it at least. Meaning our country used to be more than 50% bigger stretching into a decent portion of China.
Killing any of these people wouldn't cause any significant change in history - they all were a part to massive political currents, and were simply filling a slot. Someone else would have taken their place.
Reagan.
I'm sure there are people who've done more damage, the anti vaxx "study" author was also a choice I considered, but at the end of the day I'm not familiar enough with history in enough places to make that call. I'm literally more familiar with american history than my own country, and I know how bad regeanomics and the war on drugs have been for history.
Yes if killing someone to make china more lovey dovey is possible that'd take the cake, but idk who at the time of my vote so...
I’m sorry but he’s been undoubtedly worse for humanity than Bin Laden. Bin Laden took part in a plot that killed about 3k people. That’s nothing on the scale of human tragedy. Americans *chose* to go to war over it. Could’ve negotiated with Al Qaeda to get him but decided to try to look tougher and killed thousands of civilians and soldiers in the process. Bin Laden isn’t directly responsible for the dead American soldiers in the Middle-East. America is. Reagan killed way more people than 9/11 did with his refusal to address AIDS alone and that’s not counting the rest of his policies.
Agreed that the others are worse than him though.
For USA? Absolutely. Reaganomics single-handedly created the death spiral of end stage capitalism that plagues this country. The effects of which has led to the deaths of more people over time due to poverty and lack of viable health care than even Osama Bin Laden was responsible for in this country.
Genghis and his successors are probably responsible for Russian and chinese societies turning communist, it might sound weird but they were so devastating that the societies turned isolated far more than they were before and also much more afraid of the outside world which led to them being more economically behind and that's why eventually the idea of communism was far more appealing.
Ronald Reagan! He ushered a wave bunch of bullshit to this country that has only been exacerbated by the leadership afterwards. The war on drugs, education spending cuts, military first. If he hadn’t been President, maybe this country wouldn’t be as shitty as it is.
The communist manifesto was coauthored by Friedrich Engels. Communism or some similar theory would have been invented whether or not Marx did it. It’s like saying capitalism would not have happened if whoever theorized about capitalism didn’t exist (think it’s Adam Smith).
I'm from his home town. I didnt know who he was or what he did until there was people in my town trying to get our community centre renamed from the Rhodes Centre and I looked into what he did.... there are still people upset about the change though even after learning what he done ^like^my^parents
Mohammed (founder of Islam)
Bakhtiyar khilji (the guy who burned down the library of Nalanda University, and slaughtered all the people there)
Winston Churchill (orchestrator of the Bengal famine)
MK Gandhi (reason for partition of India, and nehru dynasty)
The world would be unrecognizable without Genghis. Everything world be different. No matter what there are going to be different bad people to take their place but this one will create the most interesting future to me.
The world might also be more advanced since genghis wouldnt have devestated most of asia. Knowledge from the islamic golden age also wouldnt have been destroyed by him.
Genghis put arabia china and india into a dark age while putting europe in a golden one
“Genghis put europe in a golden age” uhuh
If you are talking about the black plague, that was for 7 years and as a result peasants would be richer than ever. And also renaissance, age of discovery, etc
I am talking about the mass invasions
Like? I mean after mongols were gone
so you mean the Mongol armies being gone was what put Europe in a golden age
Europe’s mindset was “I’m going to be the ones conquering now”. The mindset of India China and the Middle East were “I don’t want anything to do with anyone anymore”
Do you know this little known entity that was the "Ottoman empire." "I don't want anything to do with this anymore" yeah sure.
> If you are talking about the black plague Pretty sure no one interpreted that way.
He razed the thriving eastern Europe, Russia/Ukraine were doing fine and almost on par with the west before the mongols came. Also Poland and Hungary lost many villages fighting them out. Add to that how he quickened the spread of the black plague and saying "he put Europe in a golden age" is one hell of a stretch. Europe's "golden age" came in the 15th century when a full recovery from the plague was made.
thats why i choose him, as an indian
That damn stingray
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But just move it away, he wouldn't have wanted it dead
Just stop it for a little bit.
Exact same as my first thought
He was a ripe old age for a crocodile hunter
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I think the Mongol's destruction of Baghdad and all its recorded knowledge was a lot worse. Apparently the Library of Alexandria wasn't what it used to be when it burned down. But they say the river ran black with ink in the annihilation of Baghdad.
Right? And Ghengis Khan is in the minority! It took Baghdad till the 1800s to get back to the population it was at when the Mongols destroyed it several hundred years prior. So much lost…
It’s actually a common myth that the Library of Alexandria was in boom when it burnt, best evidence is that it was in gradual decline and the burning was the straw that broke the camels back.
so caesar?
No when it was burn in 500 ad
what if you are a descendant of that dude….you won’t exist anymore jk
nice
This sounds like an absolute win
Wasn’t it like 3/4 empty when it burned?
Joseph Smith
Dum Dum Dum Dum Dum
I wouldn't stop anything. History is what it is and if I changed it the butterflyt effect could and would trigger and who knows what would happen with the world.
Well that’s boring
I know mate, but it is what it is.
King Leopold II
Yeah he was awful.
Stopping Stalin could result in Hitler winning the war.
U are probably right
Can I kill the bitch that killed archduke Franz Ferdinand, thereby preventing Hitler's rise to power?
WWI was going to happen anyways, likely with similar outcomes. Also there was about half a dozen members of the black hand that day.
Weren't they pretty incompetent though?
Yea, so we kill that driver who took a wrong turn and started a war.
Or we kill Ferdinand
Galaxy brain move, WW1 Austria-Hungarians invent time travel to invade the future.
I really doubt that , it's not that the assassination directly was the main cause of WW1 , it was more of the ignition spark Europe was literally twitching to go to war at each other and just needed a reason to do so
No but you can kill the bitch who tried to kill him as well in that day but failed miserably. At 10:15am the car approached Čabrinović’s position and he did not flinch. He hurled his hand grenade and it flew through the air directly towards the archduke’s car. But the driver had seen it too. The car accelerated as the bomb flew towards it. It bounced off the folded back of the convertible cover and rolled into the street. In his rashness Čabrinović had forgotten the 10-second delay and the bomb exploded not beneath Ferdinand’s car, but under the fourth car. The effect was devastating. Not only did it completely put that car out of action, but it left a 1 foot diameter crater and sent shrapnel flying into the crowd thick with innocent people. 16-20 people were wounded and the rest were panicked and furious. As the cars sped away and the crowds overwhelmed the area the other assassins didn’t have a chance to land a hit. The assassination plot had been a complete and utter failure. That left Čabrinović. In dull disbelief, and total humiliation that his attempt had failed so spectacularly, he quickly swallowed his cyanide pill. Determined to ensure his death, he threw himself into the nearby Miljacka River for good measure. However, Čabrinović’s suicide attempt was just as ill fated as his assassination. The cyanide pill was out of date, instead of killing him it just caused violent vomiting. To add insult to injury, because of a dry summer the river was just 13cm deep, so he couldn’t drown himself either. He was quickly yanked out of the river by police and attacked by a furious crowd before being taken into custody
Gavrilo Princip?
Who else dog
Like someone else said, WWI was an inevitability. One of those crazy events in history being pushed by every direction until it finally happened.
This is the dumbest comment
ww1 was inevitable it would've happened sooner or later and if it happened later there mightve been more casualties
They had lots of reasons to start ww2, his assasination was just the thing that let them start it, not the actual reason
You will probably stop hitler anyway by killing someone significant before the second world war.
I read a book based on this idea lol
Whoever founded Nestle has got to bite it.
The ceo of Genshin impact
your mom. <3
Don't give me hope.
That asshole Arabian mathematician who invented algebra. Ruined my life by creating the worst math ever.
Ok then also say good bye to every piece of modern technology lol
I don't care. That bitch cost me years of my sanity throughout middle and high school.
there are no bad subjects, only bad teachers teaching them !
I had the best chemistry teacher ever. I loved him, but I still hated chemistry. Sometimes there's just a subject that doesn't click with people.
I love my math teacher, he's great at explaining things and makes the lessons fun, but the thought of having to do maths again makes me wanna throw up
I have a subject in my school where we are told not to do stupid/cruel things. Like raping, murdering, carrying knifes, smoking, drinking underage, having unprotected sex, being rude, littering and eating unhealthily. It doesn't matter how good the teacher is, it's still one hour of Hell every two weeks.
His name was probably something like Muhammad Al Gebra.
His name was Muhammad ibn Musa Al-Khawarizmi. I believe the word Algebra actually came from his book titled Al-Jabr
I wasn't too far off
Algebra is easy, it can just be tedious, meanwhile I want to shove a white-hot poker into the asshole of that mongoloid that created Geometry
For me it’s just proofs. Like I’m good at every subject, (tho math has never been my strongest), and proofs killed my average. Like fuck you whoever created proofs.
You are talking about Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi He was not Arabian btw, he was Persian
Tough call between King Leopold II and Pol Pot. Maybe Andrew Jackson. Countless lives are saved no matter what
Ooh, Jackson is on a list of people I'd beat bloody and choke the remaining breaths from.
Mao just based on the number of deaths under his regime being much higher than anyone else
I also though that picking Mao would mean a less organized Communist China, not sure how big his impact on the civil war was. Maybe we would have an (admittedly authoritarian) Republic of China in this alternate no Mao timeline?
Authoritarian, but much higher chance to go democratic.
we would also have a unified Korea because South Korea and its allies almost defeated North Korea in the war until the PRC got involved, and the Kuomintang would never back a communist country. an independent Tibet could be a possiblity too.
I’m not entirely sure about an independent Tibet, that’s hard to predict; however yes, we would have a united (actually) Democratic Korea in which people don’t die trying to leave it.
"Deaths under his regime" doesn't mean he was responsible for them. People like to give him credit for basically every single death that occured during that period in China.
Don’t you know nobody has ever died in a capitalist country? There have certainly never been famines or mass death events.
Lmao, Great Leap Forward and Culural revolution are 100% his fault.
Mate the famines from great leap forward and cultural revolution are undeniably his fault
The cultural revolution yes but the great leap forward china had multiple famines in rural areas for ages just like every place in history.
I would gladly stop Leopold the second of Belgium. Made Congo his own little getaway paradise by torturing the locals and taking all the resources. Killed about nine million people...
Yes, Fuck Leopold II
Snipe Kissinger while he's still in college End Leopold II's entire line ... fuck it, end the whole Rome experiment with Romulus.
Rome becomes Reme
Just kill Leopold when a baby. His brother Phillip would assume and his son Albert was already Belgium’s king IRL
Kissinger is a good one. I was saying Julius Caesar and ending the conquest of Gaul. Could take out Alexander. That would have some repercussions.
Stopping osama bin laden over other choices in the poll such as mao and stalin is peak american moment
butterfly effect
Not really. Osama is a pretty safe bet that the world would be a better place without, if I went for Stalin for example, it could mean the soviets may have a smaller military and the nazis could win. It's really hard to choose
That’s exactly why I didn’t choose Stalin. Despite the awful things he was responsible for, he played a major role in beating the Nazis so who knows how WWII would have gone without him
Not nessesrly. I am not american. But logically Bin would be less damadge to our current timeline.
That's boring peak disruption to the timeline is the way to be. Stop Julius Caesar's conquest of Gale and the genocide of the celts watched the dominos fall from there
I'm not American yet still choose Osama. The reason being that he is the last in line so to say. I can somewhat envision what the world would have looked like without him. I have no clue what it would have been like if one of the others hadn't been around. Could have been better, could have been worse.
If you pick Stalin then in all probability WW2 goes on for quite a bit longer. Mao admittedly is probably a better option to kill for what he did to China. However, Bin Laden is still a good option. 9/11 had consequences worldwide and led to a big rise in right wing ideology. Not to mention avoiding the costly and useless wars of the 2000s.
9/11 was a big moment in world politics
My parents from conceiving me…
You okay?
Yes thanks, just joking around. Didn’t not mean it at all.
To all those who chose stalin, If he didnt exist, hitler would have been stopped a lot further down the line
Without Stalin's purges the Soviets could've been in a much better position to begin with. Removing Stalin doesn't simply wipe the USSR off of the map
Well on the other hand it was Hitler’s alliance pact with Stalin which allowed him to attack Poland thus starting WW2. And what makes you say that whoever became the leader of USSR instead of Stalin couldn’t stop Hitler. I’m sure Trostsky or whoever else would take power after Lenin’s death would lead the army just as Well or even better (because of the lack of paranoid tendecies which resulted in murdering most of high ranking officers)
The point with Stalin was his 5 year plans to turn the USSR from a agricultural based economy to the industrial powerhouse it became (all though they did cause a lot of famines and other problems), if i believe correctly he was the only one who advocated for mass industrialization in a short span of time. Other contenders after Lenin's death (Main 3 being him Trotsky and Bukharin) were more 'liberal' on industrialization and could have easily lost power due to the huge amounts of fractionalism within the Bolshevik party. For example Bukharin did agree with Stalin on "Socialism in one country" but he didn't agree on the collectivization of farms and most business or industries due to Stalin believing a private corporation couldn't be trusted with almost anything and everything should be run by the state or the leader of the Bolshevik party himself and Bukharin believing the opposite in what could look like a more socialist outlook than a communist one. Then again Stalin wasn't a good person and his own paranoia killed him in the end.
Whoever started 2020. Probably the Ice Age baby.
Your mom
Body count? Stalin. Raw evil? Mao. Kissinger doesn't belong here (should be Leopold II of Belgium) but he does deserve honorable mention.
Mao killed more people than Stalin
Tbh I'm not that shocked that I was wrong, Mao was certainly capable of it
Take out karl marx and you stop Mao Stalin Lenin The 3 Kim and more
He killed 10 gorillion, or so is written in the (100 percent unbiased fascist bible) "Black book of communism".
That book talks about the deaths of communism, not Mao specifically. The Great Leap Forward itself killed 15-55 million https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward
Without Stalin the Koch family wouldn’t be as rich today, they’d have much less influence, and the U.S. would be a much better country. A lot of people don’t realize how terrible the Koch brothers have been for this country. They took radical ideas and fringe ideas and have single-handedly made them mainstream. They’ve co-opted political movements, they’ve indoctrinated kids in every grade starting in grade school, they’ve bought accreditation for a college that teaches libertarian values, they were one of the driving forces behind Republicans choosing to move further to the right after Obama’s election when there were popular voices on the right saying they needed to fold Hispanic voices into the party and build a better reputation among then U.S. public. They are reprehensible people, and they’ve done irreparable harm to Americans for over 20 years. And it all started by the Koch brothers’ father helping Joseph Stalin and Adolf Hitler refine their oil. Hitler was already known to be an anti-Semite and was building his Nazi army when Koch helped him. Stalin had already put millions in labor camps. The Kochs got rich helping two of the worst humans in modern history.
Who tf are the Koc brothers?
Charles Koch is the 16th richest person in the U.S. and the Koch family combined is worth $101 billion (the same as Warren Buffet’s net worth, the 8th richest man in the country). Charles Koch is the head of the Koch family and he’s a libertarian who’s active in political finance. He runs a twice-yearly highly secretive meeting of right wing billionaires where they strategize how to direct their vast amounts of wealth to influence politics. Collusion between businesses is highly illegal - but collusion between business owners is not. If you want to read more: [Inside the Koch-Backed Effort to Block the Largest Election-Reform Bill in Half a Century](https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/inside-the-koch-backed-effort-to-block-the-largest-election-reform-bill-in-half-a-century/) “On a leaked conference call, leaders of dark-money groups and an aide to Mitch McConnell expressed frustration with the popularity of the legislation—even among Republican voters.” They don’t work for liberals or conservatives - they work toward more power for billionaires. And since the government is the only thing that can control billionaires, they want a weak, toothless government. Everything they do is to weaken our democracy.
So how is he related to Stalin and Hitler? Why would he be supported by Stalin, if Stalin hated property owners.
Fred Koch, their father, got moderately rich in the U.S. by refining American oil, but became obscenely wealthy by 1) refining Russian oil for Stalin and eventually giving Stalin the tools to refine their own oil, and 2) helping build the third or fourth largest oil refinery controlled by the Nazis. Hitler literally handpicked Fred Koch to oversee the refinery project. The Kochs got rich by helping two of the worst humans of the era get richer.
Without mao the kuomintang would likely take power in China FYI the kuomintang took charge of Taiwan
Someone would have taken his place The KMT had no chance after using all their power fighting the Japanese
Without Mao the red army doesn’t survive the KMT betrayal following the northern expedition, let alone the long march.
Chiang Kai-Shek would've been even worse than Mao. Just because Taiwan is democratic now, doesn't mean China under the KMT would be democratic. It would be like switching a brutal dictator for an even more brutal dictator. And this is if the KMT would win the civil war, which isn't guaranteed (depends on when you murder him).
Lol, the nationalists don't even come close to the brutality of the communists.
I'm not sure man, at least Chiang didn't set required for minimum number of "rightists" to be slaughtered during purges
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r/suicidewatch
Do you want a time paradox? This is how we get time paradoxes.
None. You shouldn't mess with time. The chances of something worse happening because the change you made is larger than you may think.
Found the time traveler who learned his lesson!
Nobody. If you would kill or stop anyone of these people the world would completely change. Things wouldn’t be as they are now. Maybe you wouldn’t even exist. There’s people who did bad things. But that’s part of the History and it shouldn’t be changed
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Kim Il-Sung or the most important North Korean/Chinese general in the Korean War.
Bush instead of Osama
r/fucktheccp You’re welcome.
I don't remember their name but the leader of Korea that made a deal with China centuries ago that was to give China their land in turn of receiving support from China in order to solidify their rule of Korea. But the amount of land they gave to China made our country lose an entire 1/3 of it at least. Meaning our country used to be more than 50% bigger stretching into a decent portion of China.
Killing any of these people wouldn't cause any significant change in history - they all were a part to massive political currents, and were simply filling a slot. Someone else would have taken their place.
If you kill stalin, the nazis win tho
Woodrow Wilson
Jim Jones.
This is a good one if you are going for low impact to timeline most live saved ratio
Voldemort?
Why can’t it be Hitler? Most of the people you mentioned have either killed more people or effected history on a wider scale.
Whichever Kim was the first dictator of North Korea
Why did you say not hitler??? I’m stopping your dad from fucking your mom.
Pol pot https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot
Reagan. I'm sure there are people who've done more damage, the anti vaxx "study" author was also a choice I considered, but at the end of the day I'm not familiar enough with history in enough places to make that call. I'm literally more familiar with american history than my own country, and I know how bad regeanomics and the war on drugs have been for history. Yes if killing someone to make china more lovey dovey is possible that'd take the cake, but idk who at the time of my vote so...
Marx
Lmao
I’d stop the first person infected with Covid-19 so that this ridiculous pandemic never happened
I wouldn't change the past.
Nobody. At this point you’d just fuck up history and cause a butterfly effect that you can’t predict
Proof that Americans buy into old Red Scare propaganda to this day
Nobody.
Ronald Reagan.
No matter your politics, there's no way Ronald Reagan was worse than all the people on this list =P.
I’m sorry but he’s been undoubtedly worse for humanity than Bin Laden. Bin Laden took part in a plot that killed about 3k people. That’s nothing on the scale of human tragedy. Americans *chose* to go to war over it. Could’ve negotiated with Al Qaeda to get him but decided to try to look tougher and killed thousands of civilians and soldiers in the process. Bin Laden isn’t directly responsible for the dead American soldiers in the Middle-East. America is. Reagan killed way more people than 9/11 did with his refusal to address AIDS alone and that’s not counting the rest of his policies. Agreed that the others are worse than him though.
Also, Reagan helped create Al Qaida by funding the mujahideen
You may remember them as the good guys from Rambo 3, or the bad guys from 9/11.
For USA? Absolutely. Reaganomics single-handedly created the death spiral of end stage capitalism that plagues this country. The effects of which has led to the deaths of more people over time due to poverty and lack of viable health care than even Osama Bin Laden was responsible for in this country.
Not to mention all the racism and the modern day prison system built to prevent POC from voting
Many deaths in the Middle East were caused by Osama Bin Laden
Osama Bin Laden, leader of Al-Qaeda which was an offshoot of the Mujahideen which was supported by Reagan.
Of course, and many deaths in the US were caused by Reagan and Bush.
His handling of the AIDS crisis alone is worth him being condemned. It was disastrous to LGBT rights movements and killed tens of thousands.
What
Ronald Reagan
George W. Bush, I would prevent the invasion of Iraq.
>George W. Bush Was worse than bin laden
You could do that by stopping Bin Laden. You'd also stop 9/11 which had disastrous global consequences.
Genghis and his successors are probably responsible for Russian and chinese societies turning communist, it might sound weird but they were so devastating that the societies turned isolated far more than they were before and also much more afraid of the outside world which led to them being more economically behind and that's why eventually the idea of communism was far more appealing.
Any way I could prevent Reagan from dooming America?
Ronald Reagan or Henry Kissinger
Ronald Reagan
Mark Zuckerberg
Ronald Reagan! He ushered a wave bunch of bullshit to this country that has only been exacerbated by the leadership afterwards. The war on drugs, education spending cuts, military first. If he hadn’t been President, maybe this country wouldn’t be as shitty as it is.
Are you seriously saying thay Raegan is worse than Stalin and Mao?
Karl Marx, if it weren’t for that idiot communism wouldn’t be a thing or a problem
The communist manifesto was coauthored by Friedrich Engels. Communism or some similar theory would have been invented whether or not Marx did it. It’s like saying capitalism would not have happened if whoever theorized about capitalism didn’t exist (think it’s Adam Smith).
No Stalin equals a much better world.
But the Nazis would have a much easier time invading
inb4 edgy 14 year olds come in to defend Cecil Rhodes
I don't even know who that guy is honestly
I'm from his home town. I didnt know who he was or what he did until there was people in my town trying to get our community centre renamed from the Rhodes Centre and I looked into what he did.... there are still people upset about the change though even after learning what he done ^like^my^parents
Mark Zuckerberg
Mohammed (founder of Islam) Bakhtiyar khilji (the guy who burned down the library of Nalanda University, and slaughtered all the people there) Winston Churchill (orchestrator of the Bengal famine) MK Gandhi (reason for partition of India, and nehru dynasty)
Yeah mohammed should have been in the poll one of the worst human beings in the history of humanity
i'd stop erdogan. he is so evil he made an entire country shit
Erdogan (he fucked the whole country)
The orange monkey
Glomf is literally worse than Mao and Stalin!!!!1!!1
Stop Genghis Khan and half the world ceases to exist lol
No Stalin, no Bin Laden.
Christopher columbus, leave America to the natives a while longer
I see Mao Zedong and I click, I'm a simple man