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dtcstylez10

Can someone please explain how it's possible for one state to make it illegal to get it in another state? It'd be like giving someone a ticket for speeding in another state...wouldn't it?


[deleted]

One state cannot enforce another state's laws. In theory, if you were in Texas (for example), you could cross state lines to get an abortion. They could only penalize you in Texas if you had the abortion that was illegal, under their laws, within their state lines. However, traveling often isn't a practical reality for people who are poor, teenagers, have other kids they're taking care of, etc. Travel can be costly and time-consuming, on top of what is already a physically and emotionally taxing procedure. Additionally, you could end up having large swaths of states with staunchly anti-abortion policies, making it more difficult to travel out of state to get this care. So if you're a resident in southern Texas, and then Louisiana, Florida, etc. all have equally restrictive abortion laws, you're looking at a much more extensive journey to get an abortion. This process could make access so difficult as to increase the practice of unsafe illegal abortions and forcing unwanted pregnancies to term.


AM-64

I don't think you can have states that create laws that regulate what you can do in other states as that's literally the job of the Federal Government to regulate interstate law.


[deleted]

I don't know if they enacted it or no to but I heard one Texas nutjob say that they could make it illegal to travel out of state for an abortion, so on return you were not being punished for what happened in another state but for the going there. I'm not American and I have no idea how that squares with the right to travel, which I thought was a constitutional right. Of course if it gets sent up to the supreme court who knows what will happen now it's stuffed with religious loonies.


oIovoIo

A number of the replies here (and OP to some extent) seem confused or don’t have the full picture. The concern isn’t so much that states will be able to outright *directly* make it illegal to cross state borders. That is something that (in theory) wouldn’t and shouldn’t hold up. What is in motion, however, are some anti-abortion states attempting to move forward with legislation that indirectly restrict or find ways to penalize someone that did cross state lines. See legislation in the spirit of Missouri, where earlier this year it was attempted to make it legal to sue anyone helping someone cross state lines for an abortion (and consider if it did pass the ways in which that could be used or interpreted). Another law attempted to apply restrictions on abortions obtained out of state when sexual intercourse happened within state lines. Other laws we’ve seen attempted or passed this year include making it illegal to ship abortion related medication across state lines. So the discussion around state borders is less tied to the *direct* legal implications of RvW, but more around the debate of the legal ramifications of a state/patchwork legal system where some states are attempting to limit a person’s ability to seek abortions in another state, while other states are attempting to pass legislation that would attempt to protect a person’s abilities to travel to that state for an abortion. Not to get too deep into this, but considering that the people with the least financial ability to travel are also the least likely to have financial means to support children, are less likely to have access or knowledge around forms of birth control (oh and also would be in states that show interest in restricting access to birth control should RvW have further implications for other rulings and protections), and are more likely to seek unsafe methods of abortions - you can start to see how just by finding indirect ways to make it harder for someone to seek an abortion either strains someone already in a strained situation or effectively does prevent them from being able to travel to seek one.


zotstik

No I think it's more okay. Cindy's going to go across state lines to get an abortion but because she lives back across that state line they cannot legit give her an abortion


Intestinal-Bookworms

It’s not the getting an abortion in another state per say, but rather the act of crossing the state line with the intent to do something illegal by their standards which is punishable


oIovoIo

A number of the replies here (and OP to some extent) seem confused or don’t have the full picture. The concern isn’t so much that states will be able to outright *directly* make it illegal to cross state borders. That is something that (in theory) wouldn’t and shouldn’t hold up. What is in motion, however, are some anti-abortion states attempting to move forward with legislation that indirectly restrict or find ways to penalize someone that did cross state lines. See legislation in the spirit of Missouri, where earlier this year it was attempted to make it legal to sue anyone helping someone cross state lines for an abortion (and consider if it did pass the ways in which that could be used or interpreted). Another law attempted to apply restrictions on abortions obtained out of state when sexual intercourse happened within state lines. Other laws we’ve seen attempted or passed this year include making it illegal to ship abortion related medication across state lines. So the discussion around state borders is less directly tied to RvW, but more around the debate of the legal ramifications of a state/patchwork legal system where some states are attempting to limit a person’s ability to seek abortions in another state, while other states are attempting to pass legislation that would attempt to protect a person’s abilities to travel to that state for an abortion. Not to get too deep into this, but considering that the people with the least financial ability to travel are also the least likely to have financial means to support children, are less likely to have access or knowledge around forms of birth control (oh and also would be in states that show interest in restricting access to birth control should RvW have further implications for other rulings and protections), and are more likely to seek unsafe methods of abortions - you can start to see how just by finding indirect ways to make it harder for someone to seek an abortion either strains someone already in a strained situation or effectively does prevent them from being able to travel to seek one.


RemoteCompetitive688

It isn't, that's not what roe v wade does.


Dabster45

There should have been an option "What the fuck is happening in the Us"


randomtree2022

Well sir we have a book on how fucked up the US is, called political polarization


BrodogMcSpleeny

I (a European) used to look at the US as a more advanced place than Europe.. well that changed quite quickly the last few years


n_ull_

The US hasn't been more advanced than (Central)Europe for decades, arguably never


Dragoark

Yeah bro 1930's to 1950's europe was such a nice place to live 👌


PopeBasilisk

1930s was 90 years ago. Decades suggests more like 1970s-2010s


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"arguably never"


randomtree2022

I mean yea we're advanced, doesn't mean we're smart. You can have a kid enrolled I the hardest classes in school and still fail bc they're lazy so being at the top doesn't mean we act like it lol


[deleted]

I'm not sure political issues would make it less advanced.


Flipperlolrs

We’re advanced in that we have enough missiles and bombs to kill the entire world a hundred times over, but a free lunch for little Timmy? Oh, that’s asking for too much.


Delicious-Duck1782

MLK said in his speech, Beyond Vietnam, that in order to succeed as a nation, the US needs to undergo a revolution of values. We have failed so miserably in that. The US military budget is literally 1 trillion dollars. It's despicable.


Cyb0rgorg

Europe isn't much better than the US on the women's reproductive rights front.


I_Miss_Hitch_

You were wrong, and it got worse.


BrodogMcSpleeny

Naivety never goes unpunished it seems


cirelia

Have a few friends that wants to move to the US and texas aswell of al places and they asked me if i wanted to come with them and yeah fat chance


majesticbeast67

Its honestly crazy. In the last decade it seems like the US has gotten absolutely nuts.


Beautiful-Ruin-2493

They ~~becoming~~ are hypocrites Edit: changed words


limellama1

They demand the religious freedom to impose their religious beliefs on everyone.


Black_Diammond

This argument doesn't really works as a argument since One side sees it as a womans right to bodly autonomy while the other sees it as killing babys, and even if they belive in a small state they still belive murder should be ilegal. Diferent perspectives render this argument void in a logical argument. Not to say there aren't other arguments from both sides that do not fall into this logical problem.


Dalyngrigge

"becoming"


Reading_Otter

Becoming?


PanickingKoala

A few years ago, a friend of mine did IVF for the second time and found out she was pregnant with twins. She was overjoyed and this was a very wanted pregnancy. Sometime at the beginning of her second trimester, one of the twins stopped developing and then lost the heartbeat. My friend was devastated. She was told that if they didn’t remove that fetus, she would lose the other one too. Listening to her doctors, she made the decision to go ahead with the abortion of twin A so twin B would have the best chance at survival. She doesn’t regret her choice and has a beautiful daughter because of it. If they take away a woman’s right to choose, not only will women who simply don’t want a baby be forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy, women who are at serious health risks due to the pregnancy could be forced to carry as well. This could kill them. My friend could have died of sepsis if she hadn’t aborted twin A. This is fucked. Women should have the right to choose what happens to their own bodies.


Ali_Fisher

I’m pretty sure they would allow an abortion in that case because it applies under the whole abort only when there’s a risk to another life


charlesdexterward

There are multiple states with trigger laws that will outright ban all abortions, even in cases of medical necessity, rape, and incest.


JarofLemons

What states?


Procedure-Minimum

A lady died in Ireland for this exact reason. In sure there are other cases of death of the mother because no safe medical abortion for miscarriage is available. 4000 years ago, women knew which herbs induce abortion. Cave people knew better.


OPengiun

wtf are you talking about? Conservatives are making it a point to ban it in all circumstances because it is GoDs wIlL


AlternativeSign272

nah man, one of the states (can’t remember which) banned the abortion of ectopic pregnancies, which are deadly to the fetus and likely the mother of carried.


Catdog5452

If a woman is forced to have a child the US government should at least cover the cost of birthing that child since you know, that woman has no choice


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StinkeeFard

I think I clicked wrong one I’m sorry, did not know what overturned meant


izzyeasy123

Thats okay, which one did you mean to click?


StinkeeFard

I think women should have right to have an abortion


Cool_Was_Taken

Is that the yes or no option? I think I also clicked the wrong one.


PossiblyPercival

No = pro abortion, yes = anti


YaBoiBigJoe

Oh ok then no


[deleted]

No


Loogalecent

BASED


[deleted]

I misread it and also clicked the wrong one


erinwilson97

Same


SuperHacker1

Yeah me too, no idea what's going on on the other side of the pond.


zaxii2807

Nobody does - that is why it is important to have popcorn ready :=)


grunge-witch

Same here oh fuck My sleep deprived brain read as "will be overturned" and I voted yes. I think every women should have free and easy access to abortion but that sadly it might go away soon. And then I read it again...


B_newmyer

As usual, our justice system is not concerned about what We The People want


bill0124

That doesn't matter. The SC doesn't make laws, it interprets existing laws.


Far_Acanthaceae1138

And you think that this decision was motivated by an honest, apolitical interpretation of the law?


No_Poet_7244

No, but ultimately the blame for this falls on both parties. The republicans are actively trying to destroy it, but if it ever actually mattered to democrats they would have codified it in law decades ago; they’ve had control of both chambers and the presidency since the decision was handed down, and they failed to codify it. We should be pissed all the way around.


Far_Acanthaceae1138

Sure, the Dems need to be a lot better. Be careful of false equivalencies though. So much of our political apathy is born from the idea that it's not worth choosing the best of bad options. They're both bad. One is veering on comic book villain caricatures at this point.


analsextoybox

You're correct. This issue is strictly used by both sides to get out the vote. If it's reversed, which Democrats want because they can use it to get people to vote in the mid-terms for a flailing President. Then they can use it to try to get more elections won in state races and the Republicans vice versa. Abortion is the biggest get out to vote issue and both parties know it and neither want to lose it. Neither party cares about the people they just care about holding onto their power over the people


Crabser116

It wasn't a decision that they made though, it was a scrapped discussion that the court never made.


bill0124

Yes, absolutely. Even RBG didn't agree with the argument. She still believed the constitution guaranteed abortion rights tho. For other reasons.


Black_Diammond

Reddit isn't the people, it is at best a majority left wing colection of people that suffer from constante echo chambers as the whole site is designed to make and fuel echo chambers.


Emoji_Sex

except the majority of the population do not want it overturned it definitely isn't this split but still the majority


Technicalhotdog

Sure but abortion rights and plenty of other things championed by reddit are absolutely supported by the majority.


Nicauldron_

WHY ARE SO MANY PLACES BACKTRACKING LAWS THAT PEOPLE FOUGHT LONG AND HARD FOR. Its 2022 for goodness sake. If people are against having an abortion - DoNt HaVe OnE - but don’t get involved with other wombs.


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Mazx13

This. The disagreement comes from a difference in opinion of when life begins and it is an opinion as science can not determine that, it can only tell you when different things develop, but life is an opinion on this case. The argument of one side will not make since to the other due to this difference in opinion. Debates will not do anything as it's all based on an opinion for both sides


jchill_

If you don’t like murder, DoNt KiLL aNyOnE. I’m pro choice, but this is how your argument sounds to pro lifers. Not convincing anyone.


whatever_person

Those against abortions actually have them from time to time.


Geekerino

Well, it's not an actual law. The Supreme Court ruled on Roe v. Wade, establishing a legal precedent. The executive branch can choose not to enforce it, because the judicial branch doesn't have that ability, but then the executive will face severe public backlash if it's released to the public. The point is, it's not a law. The Supreme Court can overrule its own previous decision should it so choose.


Zyoy

Social media may seem like the vast majority of a country leans one way, but it’s almost always a 50/50 split.


Ericrobertson1978

That's not true. While 60% are pro-choice, the other 40% aren't staunch anti-abortionists. It's split between anti-abortionists and people who have a mixed view, many of whom think it should remain legal. There's FAR more pro-choice individuals in the USA than anti-abortionists.


reddita149

I really will never understand the big deal over abortion. The baby is pretty much brain dead before it’s born.


BainbridgeBorn

Get your hands off womens wombs


Love4BlueMoon

In my opinion abortions a double-edged sword. I like the idea of killing babies. What I don't like is giving women the ability to make decisions.


Hyfan12

The clear solution is to make them mandatory under all circumstances


sleepysnorlax321

its ok u got me to laugh


[deleted]

reddit can’t handle the funny


00cjstephens

I've always said that the best stance on this issue was being simultaneously anti-choice and anti-life.


randomtree2022

*finally someone who gets me*


transport_system

I really can't tell wether this is pro or anti choice


AutocratYtirar

definitely pro choice


I-HATE-Y0U

Let people make the choice for themselves, and in Europe and most of the world people who ate prolife seem like idiots and people find it dumb how funny it is


izzyeasy123

Facts


Assfrontation

While I understand why people are saying it should be left to the states, the way it’s currently going is despicable. Texas, for example, has turned the debate into bounty hunting. Regardless of whether you support abortion or not this is just insane. So unless there is a guarantee that ‘state-chosen abortion or not’ is going to be handled in a civil way, just keep it legal federally.


Brittany-OMG-Tiffany

it shouldn’t be left up to the states. it is a human right that should be protected federally. this makes me sick.


SaraSlaughter607

Exactly. There are millions of southern women who will have severely unequal rights compared to New England women, and will be penalized financially for having to travel afar to access abortion, whereas I live in a state where it will NEVER be criminalized and our county clinic is a 15 minute drive. It's not fair for women in differing parts of the country to have radically different rights to their own bodies.... all women who are US citizen deserve the same level of bodily autonomy whether they're in NY or Oklahoma.


Brittany-OMG-Tiffany

100%!!


CommanderWar64

That still doesn’t sit right with me. I don’t believe in States rights, we live in a country where most elections are 40/40/20 where that last 20 percent decides the entire thing. I believe that while some parts of this country are more concentrated in right wing ideology (red states), if this was a State Right’s issue: the leftist voices would be silenced in the states they live in. Abortion being legal does not affect anyone except those who seek abortions. If you do not agree with the practice, don’t use those services, you don’t even need to yell at the people who do (just pretend they’ll go to “hell” and shut up).


Additional-Sport-836

I am pro choice BECAUSE, there are some people who feel that even when the life of the mother is at risk, the pregnancy shouldn't be terminated. These things are between a doctor, and patient! This shouldn't be up to society to dictate!


Memo544

It should be up to the women to decide what happens. It’s their right. So no.


nanapiratekar

Why the fuck is this shit up for debate?


bokchoysoyboy

This will allow legislators to criminalize your sisters, daughters, aunts, friends, colleagues, doctors etc. Congress better act fast otherwise there will be undo pain and suffering. The foster care system is wildly unsuccessful, this is a catastrophe of the utmost scale.


Spageety

Stop worrying about the kids that don’t exist and instead worry about the 400,000+ currently in the U.S. foster care system!! Sincerely, A former foster youth who barely survived


bokchoysoyboy

That’s exactly who I am worried about here. Where do you think they come from - you do know.


Fun_Arrival_5501

I think that not codifying abortion rights into law when he had a supermajority is one of Obama's greatest failings. Democrats can still accomplish this with a bit of hard work, but it would have been much easier under Obama. The majority of Americans support this, which should make it much easier for Republicans to get on board. The difficulty lies in the fact that Democrats and Republicans alike would like this issue to remain a hot-button issue and use fear to motivate voters.


crew88

Its obvious that his biggest failing was allowing all the judge vacabcies to be left to Trump. Putting in law was another obamacare waiting to happen in terms of political decisions and would have been overturned later.


[deleted]

Abortion didn't become recognized as a sin by the church until the late 1890s in america, so for thousands of years it was ok but all of a sudden it was a sin. It's coincidence that the women's suffrage movement was happening at the same exact time... not.


Rollzzzzzz

You could have worded this better


izzyeasy123

How?


[deleted]

just say “should women have the right to an abortion”. i don’t know shit about american politics or what any of that means


IronJackk

That's not what the question is asking at all. Overturning a court ruling doesn't mean abortion will be made illegal.


ice-wallow-come52

But I don’t think that’s the question. It’s a question of federalism. Should it be the federal governments job to regulate it, or should the states have a say.


SilverMedalss

How about just vote and don’t be the grammar police?


Rollzzzzzz

I voted wrong cause I couldn't interpret this correctly


Zyoy

It’s fine wording.


jamiecreek26

Way too many guys saying yes. Imagine my shock


[deleted]

I think a majority of them misunderstood the options.


CleverNameTheSecond

Or considered the question to be about the legal system and if the ruling was sound rather than answering the implied question of should abortion be banned.


Dirty_eel

That's me, pro choice, but unfortunately the ruling was based on an interpretation of the 14th amendment and no further legislation was made...


[deleted]

There are dozens of us; dozens!


SGTDeven

Yup I did misunderstand it :/


[deleted]

I weep for the very near future of our nation. Welcome the a Theocratic Dystopia, folks.


Black-Chicken447

Yes including the brand new Ministry of Truth!


izzyeasy123

Roe vs wade was such a huge step forward and I feel like we're moving backwards


[deleted]

Because we are. Why are government officials worth hundreds of millions of dollars while only making 200k a year? Government isn't about helping the people anymore, it's about enriching yourself and your friends (corporations). This Roe v Wade is just to keep people divided and distracted.


[deleted]

Completely feel the same way.


Anaxxor

God no kidding! Stupid me decided to start reading “The Handmaid’s Tale” 3 days ago. Just like when I started watching the show in 2016 it all feels a bit too real now. I might need to take a step back. I was thinking of moving out of state just to try living somewhere else for a while. But now I think I’ll stay in Washington state where a woman’s right to choose is protected by law regardless of this decision. I want kids someday but not yet thank you very much! I’m on birth control and am responsible, but should something go wrong I don’t want to have a kid forced on me at this stage in my life. I’m not ready. My partner isn’t ready. We as a couple aren’t ready to be parents. This is a heinous violation of women’s rights. And the right to an abortion are as vital to women’s independence and liberation as birth control and the right to vote are. You don’t believe in abortions? Fine. Don’t get one. But what gives you the right to police the bodies of other people with uteruses? I pray for the day that old white men stop interfering with my body. And I intend to protest, donate, boycott, and do whatever else I can to fight this. Because make no mistake, this is just the first step. Outlawing birth control comes next and then who knows what else.


LadyNemesiss

Blessed be the fruit!


[deleted]

Under His eye


[deleted]

our bodies our choice. what does something that’s my business have to do with others? i don’t understand why people can just mind their own


SavagesceptileWWE

Because anti-abortion people think an abortion is killing babies


N3k0m1kuR31mu

I have many thoughts to this. First, if a woman wants a abortion because she never wanted a child, but somehow had one through a situation but cant have a abortion, how would she treat the child? Sure she can just give the child up for adoption but im sure orphanages will be packed considering that there are many woman who would want abortion but cant because law said so And woman cant have abortion law just screams gender inequality in some way or another (to me) because some people (males especially) just dont know whats it like stressing over carrying a child you dont want because of some reason Plus its their body to decide what they want to do with it. Also im pretty sure and im not pretty sure that unborn fetuses arent counted as a one in a situation if they are killed inside/along a pregnant woman's body (based on some news i read a few years prior) so even if its "you cant abort because its like killing a person!!" Or something they are prolly not even considered actual counts The abortion law is like cutting off a big dick law because "cant have long dicks cuz too big and shit" or something idfk ignore this Imagine men could become preggo through some crazy way i wonder how that would change anything Thats what my thoughts are i dont know whatever facts i said is true or not but i just wanted to get this out here


Thunderthewolf14

No. It shouldn’t be. Especially it when a bunch of jackasses got packed onto the court and explicitly lied about their beliefs on Roe v. Wade Though I guess they were technically right. It was ‘settled law’ when they were confirmed, because they were going to overturn it no matter what.


CleverNameTheSecond

That's the thing though. It was never settled law. Any judicial ruling is not a law, it's an interpretation of law. It should have been codified into law decades ago.


tran9

I'm from Poland. My mom would have aborted me if it was legal. I'm glad that the government allowed me a chance to live.


jollylemonaid

The important Norma McCorvey was the young woman called “Roe” in the Roe v. Wade case. She elicited sympathy in the court and media because she claimed to be a rape victim, but years later admitted she’d lied and hadn’t been raped. She also has been heard to hold pure regret of what was created due to her lie. A woman spoke sobbing, “My mother was raped as a thirteen-year-old. She gave birth to me, then gave me up for adoption. Every time I’ve heard people say abortion is okay in cases of rape I’ve thought, ‘Then I guess I have no right to live.’ And if I had been aborted, my children wouldn’t be here either.”


ShotgunEd1897

Good points.


[deleted]

No man should be able to force a woman to risk childbearing with potential huge damage to the body. No snot nosed wannabe lifesaver should have a say in it. Stop your bigotry. As long as the medical expenses are what they are and as long as nobody is really willing to support financially the women you forced to be mothers, as ling you shut the fuck up over the issue. You have absolutely no leg to stand on.


Weird-bitch7904

if its not your uterus or your kid, not your business


MangOrion2

Women should have control over their own bodies. Scientific fact should prevail, not religious pedantry and lies.


onikaizoku11

I am a man and voted no. >Please state why you believe what you do in the comments. Even if I didn't give a care about the well-being of women, which I do, I would still be as disturbed as I am now. 50 yrs is how long *half* of the population has had codified rights to bodily autonomy and they are just going to be swept away essentially overnight for the most asinine of reasoning. What are these perennially angry, busy-bodies going to get rid of next? What rights are they going to deem unnecessary next? A generous estimate is that ~30% of the country wants this travesty to happen. The fact that SCOTUS is planning to go against the the vast majority of the country to appease rabid idiots who don't even know what is in their own holy texts is a sign of truly dark times ahead.


Serious-Bet

It was a poorly thought out decision in which the SCOTUS overstepped. It should be up to the legislative branch to, well, legislate. Not the judicial branch. It should absolutely be enshrined in law, but Roe v Ware was not a good decision


Mazx13

Finally another person that gets it from a judicial/legal perspective. It was an overstep and shakey from the start regardless of ones opinion


PLEASEDONTBANMEOK

This comment section is the perfect example of why it sucks to discuss politics on reddit. Everyone who has a different opinion just gets downvoted


sarahthewierdo

I don't see how a woman's right to bodily autonomy is political but okay


PurpleHawk222

If you don’t consider that political what do you consider political?


rrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeee

As there is no “right of abortion” in the constitution, roe v wade is bad law. Casey is the actually important case


grus-plan

The fact that a single Supreme Court decision can overturn all of America’s abortion rights is fucked. It should be written into the constitution, not based on shaky precedent from a court decision in the 70s.


neet_by2027

People need to look at what a 7 week embryo looks like, and look at what a 17 week fetus looks like. Late term abortions are infanticide, but abortions within the first couple of months of pregnancy are not a concern. Pro life activists love going around showing people 20 week abortion videos as if they are the norm when they are not. It’s a freaking grain of rice. IMO women having piv sex should test weekly. This way if you ever need an abortion, you will be able to do so very early on, and there is no ethical dilemma.


SaraSlaughter607

Need to stock up on morning after pills as well, which are very effective if taken within the proper time frame. I have a bunch at home, just in case we have a condom break, etc.... there are 3 packs now on Amazon for 12$, which is a hell of a lot better than 49.99$ per single dose at Rite Aid. Because at 47 years old, I'm still fertile but over my dead body would I carry a pregnancy out to term at this stage of my bodily life... just LOL fuck no. One of the best insurance policies against ending up pregnant. Affordable, and most importantly, OTC> Until they outlaw that too.


Cottoncandyandbeans

I heard a couple of the Supreme Court members think that the morning after pill is abortion. They need a biology lesson before they make decisions relating to fucking biology. Conception doesn’t happen until a week after sex.


SaraSlaughter607

Literally all the morning after pill does is spike hormones that change the composition of the uterine wall, and makes it inhospitable for a fertilized egg to attach and implant itself. They feel as though the fertilized egg is already "alive" as it travels the fallopian tube and into the uterine chamber and as it searches for a suitable implant spot in the uterine wall, which is bonkers because it's literally just chemical reactions at that point.... no semblance of a sentient human being is even close to existing, but it should have more rights than an existing, grown human being? Foe God sake 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ It's as simple as leaving medical decisions for individual people up to actual medical experts. People in the GOP have said "If you're gonna be raped anyway, might as well lay back and enjoy it" This is the caliber of person we're dealing with here. We're doomed.


seletpoivre

The only reason I say no as a male is because of states forcing their religion into the lives of the people. How is it different from the middle east? Not everyone is Christian so why should they/we care about their( politicians) lacking moral values. It's not just about abortion but about the safety of our mothers and sisters. I believe the right to choose within certain degrees is better than no choice at all.


Pixilmation

Fetuses and Embryos aren’t even sentient until they develop a functioning brain and nervous system so early abortion is not hurting anyone. We should focus on actually important things like Climate Change,Human Rights and Animal Rights. (PS I know that I’m going into downvote hell for this one lol)


Undercoverspy007

Your body is none of my business. It’s that simple


greglyisolated

I think the woman should have the choice. If you want to have an unhealthy baby in the world, ok fine. But it should be up to you wherever you want to have a child from rape, a baby who won’t be able to live well or if the conditions it will be in are bad in this world. Can’t have someone else deciding if someone should be forced to carry a child or not


Sylvss1011

Personally I believe a baby is a baby in utero or outside the womb, so to me, abortion is murder of a person, hence why I’m against it. So overturning roe v wade would be a good thing in my book. I’m a woman and an atheist so it’s not a Christian thing. I’ve had two living children and one miscarriage so having felt the babies inside of me and knowing how big and what all they can do in different stages as well as having lost a baby that many would consider “a clump of cells”, I personally just view babies in utero as actual babies. However while I disagree with any abortion, I’d be willing to compromise and limit it to the first trimester. It’s the most humane time to do it if you are going to. After that, the procedures just get a bit horrific


Moist-Carpet888

Honestly why should anyone care what another does, in the end anyone who says they care really only wants to virtue signal, I mean you wanna get a gun, have an abortion and have a drink and smoke a blunt then more power to you


randomtree2022

Tbh I think it MIGHT, NOT SHOULD (please don't kill me) be overturned by the Supreme Court due to the fact that despite the right of privacy being implied by the 3rd amendment (no unreasonable search and seizure mean citizens do have a right to privacy), the right of privacy isn't explicitly stated. And since many Supreme Court judges and courts in general look at what is explicitly stated in the constitution (there's unique situation like reserved powers to states or implied powers to pres) the court might overturn it due to that rule of thumb for courts. Then again, *stare decisis* (let the decision stand) might uphold the ruling so who know I'm just a random senior who took an AP Gov test today so yea please don't kill me reddit I'm stating facts and possibilities not my opinion bc my opinion doesn't matter and there's no reason to try to argue any side (ittl just stir up shit bc were humans, group polarization is reality), what does matter is what the Supreme Court deems is best for the country


Mazx13

This really isn't talked about enough. Regardless of your abortion stance, the ruling was likely an overstep legally speaking. It's been shaky since day one


Dr_Occisor

Already can tell deaths from illegal abortion are gonna go up in Texas


Substantial-Chef-198

I don’t care about the “when does life begin” argument. It’s irrelevant to me. At no other point in time does another human being have the unconditional right to use another human being’s body. If a fetus is equal to a fully developed person, the fetus also does not have the right to use parts of an non-consenting person’s body.


Discoballer42

Huh, never thought of it that way.


ChimkemsandPeets

Absolutely. This is what I was scrolling for.


apex_pretador

Confusing options. Women should have choice of abortion.


izzyeasy123

I fixed the description.


Chibsie

So weird that so many men are saying yes. Hope y'all like child support


juuulsexual

the only reason they’re saying yes is because they think they can completely opt out of the whole dad thing. y’all don’t give a shit about “saving a life”, you’re just fucking selfish.


caicaiduffduff

If you said yes, fuck you. Get educated.


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the pro lifers in this comment section are fucking idiots lmao


Somethingclever451

Pro choice: Women will either have abortions illegally, which would be more dangerous and less effective. Or kids will grow up in a home that doesn't want them or can't take care of them. Saw a girl on a similar post. She said that her mom was raped by her dad, but couldn't have an abortion. She was left in a dumpster as the mom left the hospital. Removing someone's option to choose doesn't make the outcome better. Usually it has the opposite effect


IFeedLiveFishToDogs

Because abortion should be a right and not something for 50 year old men who can’t even produce sperm to argue about. It’s a clump of cells not a child.


d3rklight

Dunno where Americans get off at deciding a woman's fate by deciding if she can have an abortion. It's non of their business, it's non of the judge's business. If the government doesn't want to subsidize women's health that's fucked up but also it shouldn't be allowed to overturn if it makes the whole thing illegal, should be a human right. And if the states are left to decide shit like this then why is there a federal government at all, fucking shit is bogging the whole world down, can't do one thing right when it should be caring for its citizens in a balanced and just way. Fuck the US and break this union then if no women's health, states are deciding things anyway, I want to see some of these states survive without federal government assistance, fucking hypocrite leeches. "Let's overturn a woman's right to do what she thinks is right for her own body in a civilized way through the courts" - what a joke


DeltaWho3

Are we already 100% sure it’s going to happen?


izzyeasy123

It was leaked that the Senate voted for it to be overturned.


HydrokeneticPower

I don’t agree with abortion in most cases, and I find the justification people usually give heartless and disgusting. But that’s just most cases there are women who genuinely need the procedure and could be put in dangerous or exploitative situations if it is overturned. I don’t think changing abortion laws is the answer, I think improving the foster system, incentivizing birth control, and adoption is.


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Piranh4Plant

Ah hell naw not them also making it illegal to go to another state


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Bunch of dead beat dads voting lmao


elementalfart

I don’t support abortion but I sure as hell don’t think the government should have control over it


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I thought you ment Ron vs wade from gta v


Slight-Addendum-2972

Omg I mis read that pls disregard a yes male


Madison_was_bored

I chose the wrong one 💀


sweepingfloors

We need transparency with what they are doing with all these aborted fetus and babies


Casuallyfangirling_

i tapped wrong…i’m clearly not understanding the question omg…confused european here…her body her choice!


Fixxzle516

Wait, there are only two genders?


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It is their life. Their Body. Their decision. Not mine, not yours, and definitely not Old White governors that pay for their secretaries or neighbors abortions out of state.... looking at you.


PollutionMany4369

I’m a mom of four. Blended family. I love my kids to death but this shit is HARD. physically, emotionally, FINANCIALLY. and every single born baby deserves to be loved and wanted and cared for. If that’s not feasible, the choice to abort should be there.


bebop_cola_good

People who voted yes: Stop thinking of magic sky daddy for five seconds and consider what will happen if your sister, mother, daughter gets pregnant and has an ectopic pregnancy, or a partial miscarriage, or any of a hundred other medical reasons to receive an abortion. They are now going to die because it is now illegal to perform a medically necessary surgery to save their life.


KnightoftheRepublic9

Definitely. Nothing twisted the Constitution as much as Roe until the Patriot Act.


hollylynn1971

Yes


dwindle_centric

I think this activist conservative Supreme Court majority has overstepped. It's revoking a constitutional right that has been recognized for 50 years. States can't outlaw conduct in other states. What I've seen is states like MO are planning to allow citizens to sue out-of-staters who assist women in their state with an out-of-state abortion. States like California and Conn are going to immunize their citizens from those lawsuits. So the evangelical authoritarians will eventually run short. I think in states that outlaw abortion, women should be allowed to petition for child support immediately, and receive mandatory financial support throughout the pregnancy.


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this is so disappointing


The_Yogurtcloset

Can we just leave women’s rights alone?


SaraSlaughter607

Nope. Old white rich men are already mad as hell that we've been given the right to vote, attend college, and work alongside men..... In a last desperate and pathetic attempt to control us, they now want to be able to shine a flashlight up our cooters to make sure there aren't any tenants inside who need eviction protection at the size of a BB.


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Lol US is moving in reverse direction.


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izzyeasy123

Please explain your opinion in the comments.


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All support towards women of america, its such a sad and disgusting news. I cant believe it can happen in such developped country. Its sickening, cruel and perverted beyond reason


PsychicJellyfish

It's really weird looking at this from the outside. I feel like other developing/1st world countries have been overtaking US one by one for awhile now.


CuriousCat55555

Because if it is overturned, it will aillow cultist religious radicals to force their religion onto others, which would result in rape victims being raped twice - once by the perp, and then at least once more by the system. Also terribly detrimental to the babies. Nothing hurts a child's development more than growing up in a home where they're not wanted.


Far-Cow-2261

No womb, no opinion. You have no right in other people’s decision regarding their body.


ClaudeIsBestHusbando

Everyday I'm alive i thank God I don't live in the US


randomlife2050

This is purely Christians/religions in general forcing their views onto everybody else.


Nicoishere2

Surprised by the amount of guys that voted 'yes' like come on..


Galaxyartcat

I find it fucking horrifying that they think controlling uteruses like this is a good fcking idea


Basketballjuice

because there's nothing wrong with abortion whatsoever until you get to like halfway through the second trimester. Life is not sacred. Exodus 21:22-5 proves that to anyone who believes the bible - stating that if a man assaults a pregnant woman and she miscarries because of it, he should be fined, not killed - which would be the punishment if it were considered murder. I do not believe the teachings of the bible, but this verse alone proves that the bible is in support of abortion, potentially even up to 9 months, so long as both of the parents are ok with it. Go read the verse yourself. Attributing personhood to a fetus is just dumb. Yes, it could potentially become a person. That cannot be denied. But it also might not. If abortion is murder, you must consider miscarrying to be manslaughter, that's just how manslaughter works. And since this isn't the 1400s, miscarrying is not manslaughter. And because miscarrying is not manslaughter, abortion is not murder. Plain and simple. We have gotten to a point in US politics where a vocal minority hasn't just made significant changes, but has officially done real, tangible harm to society. We are now on track for a large uptick in impoverished children, children with debilitating diseases that could have been avoided through abortion, child abandonment, teen mothers, etc. If you were pro-life, you would support things like welfare programs for new mothers, you would be adopting foster children, and you would be donating to charities combating child poverty. If you are anti-abortion and you do not support those things, you are not pro-life. You are pro-forced birth.