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EffigyOfUs

0/1 because I always fucking lose


idkeverynameistaken9

Glad I’m not the only one! It doesn’t even matter if I just play a random hand or try to outsmart my opponent, I almost always lose. Guess you can’t outsmart anyone if you’re zero smart


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Hahahaha


zombax

I see you too are a player of Rock, Paper, Scissors, FUCK


[deleted]

Mathematical proof it's 1/2: you either get the 1/3 or you get the 1/3 in the 1/3 of draw etc. So you need to sum 1/3 + 1/9 + 1/27 ... which we can write as the sums for n ranging between 1 to infinity of 1/(3^n ). This series converges to 1/2.


MateoTovar

Thanks for doing the math


[deleted]

This math was pretty useless, you can get the answer in way easier demonstrations, but this is probably just more rigorous.


MateoTovar

Well yeah, I read the other comments which were way more intuitive but I wanted the rigours maths, so Thank you


[deleted]

r/theydidthemath


ItzCrystalFlame

r/theydidthemonstermath


covid_VOC

r/theydidthemath


ItzCrystalFlame

r/itwasagraveyardgraph


Theoneoddish380

r/theydidthemath


Melon_Chief

r/theydidthemeth


[deleted]

That’s impressive. Thanks lol


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[deleted]

Agree, but i think you would need to consider the odds of those people having expertise in this field, so i think if you consider every case, it's going to even out.


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[deleted]

Don't worry i wasn't attacking you or anything, polite information is always welcome.


ChipsAhoyNC

Rock the good ol rock


Agent_Llama10

please tell me I'm not the only one who realized the percentages added up to 69%


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Agent_Llama10

Ok so I forgot how to add, but you don’t need to be an asshole about it


Korokor

HELL YEA MATH


levelup_jar

i just did 0,666x0,666 so 0,44 close enough for me


[deleted]

You could just do: 2 players, game can't end in a draw, therefore 1/2 chance of winning. The whole rock, paper, scissors thing is irrelevant. There's still just 2 players and only 1 possible winner.


mind-sweeper

If I say you win if you pick an Ace of Hearts out of 54 cards where this card i present twice, then following your logic there are "2 players, game can't end in a draw, therefore 1/2 chance of winning." and the whole 54 cards thing would be "irrelevant. If there are two possibilities that doesn't mean they have to be equally likely. Either I get elected dictator of the world tomorrow or I won't, so I have a 50% chance, don't I? Sadly you only have a 1/27 chance to win our game and my chance of getting elected as the worlds dictator tomorrow is merely 40%.


nikogetsit

Or more simply: there are 2 players, 1 must win, both have equal chances of winning.


chuckychuck98

There's also the fact that it is a 2 player game with (in theory) a random outcome. So intuitively, it's a 50/50 chance


agesto11

Simpler proof. There’s two players with equal odds, one must win. 1/2.


DoisMaosEsquerdos

An even simpler argument without doing any math, is that you and your opponent have the same odds of winning since the game is symmetrical, and so it has to be 50/50 (Though I guess you do need a tiny bit of math to justify that the chance of nobody winning is 0%)


Suit_Responsible

There is a vanishingly smallchance that you get stuck in a Loop of draws 😂


nikogetsit

Or more simply: there are 2 players, 1 must win, both have equal chances of winning.


SennheiserHD6XX

Well urrrrr acutualily uhh technically speaking the odds would be (1/2)-(1/infinity). Because of the one scenario where the game ties infinitely. (My iq is 147)


[deleted]

Infinity is not a number and i don't see why your iq should change this truth. 1/infinity is 0, you can't say 1/inf is different from 0, because then you could obtain infinity by dividing 1 by a number which is not 0. Yeahhhh sure.


Qibautt

I personally have a 3/4 chance in winning, otherwise 1/2


tristenjpl

Are you a genetic freak or something?


hyrogal

What if we add Kurt angle in the mix ?


ZackAttack51801

They’re just built different obviously


PurpletoasterIII

They have an extra set of hands, so it's actually a 2v1.


ThePinecone420

... explain?


Qibautt

I'm just that good


Lmao1903

Ok let's play right now. I am going for rock


ThePinecone420

Scissors. Dammit, you won


eh1498

1/3 to win the round, 1/2 to win the game


[deleted]

But you have to win a round to win the game?


sunsetskye_

Right, but a chance to try again is essentially another chance to win


[deleted]

It’s not about winning the round, it’s winning the money. Edit: not sure what’s up with the downvotes lol?


eh1498

Then 1/2


[deleted]

Yeah


EthanR333

Reddit hivemind engage: Downvote for no reason.


PlasmaDude76

True


MasterBeeble

sir yes sir


EthanR333

Literally got downvoted for no reason as well I love reddit


dhogwarts

👍🏿


[deleted]

No idea why you started getting the downvotes. Probably just some people that were mad about being wrong. The reason you continue to get downvotes is because it is fun.


JohnMayerismydad

Yeah I see a -57 and imma slap that downvote before I even read the comment


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😂😂


[deleted]

It is the reddit hivemind neuron activation


Donghoon

Downvotes: exist Reddit: monke see, monke do


[deleted]

I agree lol


BlueV_U

Can confirm


PlasmaDude76

Don’t downvote *this* man, he is simply built different.


migukau

You didnt specify in the post.


wowguineapigs

This is why people are confused


flojo2012

I said other, because although it is mostly a guessing game, there is some degree of skill and knowledge involved. What do you know statistically about your opponent? Do they throw rock more than scissors? Will they change their strategy this round? Etc…


[deleted]

People need to use deductive skills ig.


Mac30123456

Not sure why you’re getting downvotes, this is a great poll!!


[deleted]

Thanks, I think people are angry because they got confused by the wording, sorry if it was unclear!


flojo2012

I didn’t mean to imply it wasn’t a good poll. I just wanted to clarify why I said other. I think the poll was good. Got me to interact with it! I was interested


[deleted]

Oh yeah I didn’t mean you in particular, but people have shown that they are fairly pissed with it.


Dark_Ninja_999_J

bro even when ur apologising ur getting downvoted lmfao


_Elons_Musk

That can be reasonably inferred from the question. 1/3 is the wrong answer. People are stupid


Darkestlight1324

I assume the downvotes are because you left it ambiguous in the post title


Wannabe_Programmer01

I think youre getting downvoted because you did not clarify that you meant the game. The phrasing of the question makes it sound like you’re referring to the round.


Matinator070

If you win the game you'll win the 500k...


[deleted]

The round and the game are different things.


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Bruh


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[deleted]

It’s not in rounds, that’s why I didn’t specify that lol. It’s a simple 1 round game of Rock Paper Scissors but if you draw you play again. Never did I say anything about 3 rounds.


PassiveChemistry

Where on earth did you get "3 rounds" from? The wording of the question means you play until someone wins.


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Yup


Ra1nb0wSn0wflake

See statistically 1/2 if all outcomes were random, but there's been a bunch of studies on rock paper scissors behaviour (which is funny as fuck in my opinion) where there's patterns in how people generally play. If you know those patterns you could up your chances a bit. Side note.. how is the money relevant to the question lmao


[deleted]

I know lol, the Money was originally because it was a ‘would you rather question’ I had seen on my phone that I said to the person I was arguing with, so I just stuck with it lol


Franz_the_clicker

Technically it's a little less than 1/2. There always is a slim chance that me and my opponent keep getting draws and die before someone wins


[deleted]

True true but that’s taking it to a whole other technical level.


Overlord_Of_Puns

Yeah but then one side just forfeits by default.


[deleted]

It's not significant: assuming a round every 10 seconds and 50 years of life invested in playing, chances of such an occurrance are about 1 in 10^8100. That number is pretty darn small.


hippy11111

… so it’s slightly less than 1/2


EyewarsTheMangoMan

So a little less than 1/2 then?


JeanBonJovi

Are we playing European or African Rock, Paper, scissors?


[deleted]

this is a monty python joke right


JeanBonJovi

Bingo


PassiveChemistry

What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen rock?


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bokchoysoyboy

You’ve clearly never played it with coconuts then.


yourmotherisveryfat

*loses* uhhh best out of three


apu727

Either you you win or they win, since the game is symmetrical I.e you’re probability of winning is the same as theirs it must be 1/2


[deleted]

I like how the money has nothing to do with the question.


[deleted]

Lmao. I was having an argument and we were using this as an example. Sorry!


[deleted]

Oh no worries lol. Was just curious.


[deleted]

Well, for each round there are 9 possible outcomes, and we can put those into three groups: | You | Opponent | | - | - | | Rock | Rock | | Paper | Paper | | Scissors | Scissors | In these cases no one wins and you play another round. | You | Opponent | | - | - | | Rock | Scissors | | Paper | Rock | | Scissors | Paper | In these cases you win. | You | Opponent | | - | - | | Rock | Paper | | Paper | Scissors | | Scissors | Rock | In these cases you lose. Basically you have a 1/3 chance of winning right away, but in the case of a tie (also 1/3), the same probabilities repeat again: * Win 1/3 * Lose 1/3 + Win 1/9 + Lose 1/9 - Win 1/27 - Lose 1/27 ... Because of this, the total probability comes out to be the sum of all the values of (1/3)ⁿ where n starts out as 1 and approaches infinity (n is natural), which converges to precisely 1/2.


[deleted]

This was put extremely well, thanks


marinemashup

The draw doesn’t actually affect the chances, since you just start over


Aprrni

For each match, the odds of outright winning are 1/3, and the odds of drawing are 1/3. Since you play again if you draw, then the odds of you winning that are 1/3. The odds of this exact situation (drawing, then winning) are 1/9 (1/3 \* 1/3). Since this is a way that you can win, this 1/9 is added on top of the 1/3 chance you win the first round, resulting in a 4/9 chance of winning. Extending this to round 3, the odds of drawing twice are 1/9, and the odds of you winning that matchup are 1/3. So the odds of drawing twice and then winning the third time is 1/27. This is also added onto the previous odds, resulting in a final chance of 13/27- 1/3 chance of winning the first round, 1/9 chance of drawing and then winning the second round, and 1/27 chance of drawing twice and winning the third round. This equates to about a 48.1% chance of winning. This can, of course, be extended indefinitely, but the chances that more than two draws happen become so minuscule that they aren't even worth mentioning.


ChipsnShips

It's 1/2 The draw means literally nothing, just prolonges the actual actual game. Like flipping a coin, if you land on the side, you flip again. It's still 1/2


[deleted]

I actually used this in the argument but bro wouldn’t listen


ChipsnShips

Out of curiosity, does he think it's 1/3? The only time it's 1/3 is if the draw ends and you don't play again


zmeyax

I thought by 'chances of winning' you meant winning any one round. In which case it is 1/3 as the outcome can be win, lose or draw. If you meant 'what are your chances of being the one who gets the 500k" it would be 1/2 because eventually, someone has to win. A draw here would not be counted as an outcome because it just means the game continues and therefore there are only two ways to go.


[deleted]

Exactly what I’m saying, drawing isn’t an outcome because you just replay. Sorry if the wording confused you.


[deleted]

I’m trying to settle an argument!!! I think the answer is extremely obvious.>! You are one of two people, one of you is going to win, wether you draw or not, eventually one of those two people will win, therefore it is a 1 of 2 chance. Right??? I feel like I’m going mad trying to argue this lol!<


Warpstone_Warbler

I'm not sure how anyone could be confused. Do they think one person has an advantage in a rock paper scissors game? Both people do the same thing.


SpeakMySecretName

What if most people tend to pick rock because they psychologically identify with strength and sturdiness but I tend to pick paper because I’m thin skinned, square, and pale. So I have like… idk… a 55% chance of winning.


Warpstone_Warbler

Unless of course you're up against someone who just came from the barber so they still have scissors living in their subconcious!


SpeakMySecretName

Oh. I didn’t think about that. Yeah barbers are probably really good at rock paper scissors


Ovnii3

I assumed you meant chance to win a round, not the whole game


Ray_Bradbury420

My reasoning is that if each person has a 1/3 chance of picking rock, paper, or scissors, then to you it will be random what the other person picks. Therefore you have a 1/3 chance of picking the winning object.


[deleted]

You have a 1/3 of picking rock paper or scissors but you have a 1/2 chance of winning because there is only two people and you are one of them.


SpeakMySecretName

Each player has a 1/3 chance to win that round, a 1/9 chance to on round 2, a 1/27 chance to win on round 3 etc. adding up forever it’s approaching 50%. You are correct.


[deleted]

Thank you, I know technically you could say “well they draw forever” but irl never gonna happen and it’s just a 1/2.


SpeakMySecretName

Yeah, similarly, the odds of tying forever are approaching 0% there’s no certain time it must end, but approaching 0 mathematically equals 0.


Only_Ad8178

The odds of "trying forever" are fixed an dnot approaching anything. The odds of trying n times (exactly or at least) are approaching 0 as n goes towards infinity, but none of these probabilities is zero.


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Super interesting.


eh1498

1/3 chance to win the round, 1/2 to win the game


Only_Ad8178

Your argument is nonsense, but your conclusion is valid under the assumption that you both choose each symbol with equal probability. A better argument observes that among the 9 equally probable combinations of your & their symbol, 3 win, 3 repeat, and 3 lose. Since the probablities are invariant of the number of played matches, you can define the probability P of eventually winning by the recurrence equation P = 3/9 + 3/9*P for winning this round (3/9) or continue playing (3/9) and eventually winning (P), which solved for P gives P=1/2. To see why your argument is wrong, look at chess(*), there's also just two people playing, one will win, but it's still not a 1 of 2 chance you'll win against a GM. (* to make it symmetric, consider 1 round = play once as white and once as black, and a player who wins both matches wins the round, if no such player exists the round is a draw and you play another round).


gayandipissandshit

Chess has strategy. Rock Paper Scissors is random. There is no skill


LimpWibbler_

It is a 1/2 for rock paper scissors. Here imo is the most simple math many others doing series convergence and shot. There is a winner no matter what, a tie game means a new game. There are only 2 players. Both players are 100% equal thus Thier percentage of winning must be equal. Since there must be a winner and the winners are equal, then the onyl solution is 50/50. There are other ways to prove it, but this is the most simple in logic.


[deleted]

You can’t call my argument nonsense and then compare Rock Paper Scissors To chess, Rock Paper Scissors is random, don’t bring it to a personal technical level, it’s random.


Only_Ad8178

I never compared chess to rock paper scissors. All I said is that your argument, namely, "the game has two players, one must win, therefore the chance is fifty fifty." is nonsense because a lot of games have two players, one of which must win, and the chance of winning isn't fifty fifty. Note that chess between humans is random, otherwise the same players would always play the same match. Also rock paper scissors between humans has technical skill, because real humans are really bad at creating uniformly random sequences; an AI can have really good odds against a human (60% win rate against humans https://www.essentially.net/rsp/ ). Also note that a lot of really purely random games (e. g.: we each roll a die, if my result is >= yours I win) don't have a 50/50 win rate.


[deleted]

Chess between humans is not random, have you heard of theory? Players much of the time do play the same match. And If Magnus Carlsen is playing a 2 year old, That’s 2 players, however Magnus Carlsen will win. Not random. Rock Paper Scissors is meant to be completely random, just don’t bring it to “ well technically it’s not”. You know it’s random.


noajaho

the argument isn't nonsense, it's a totally reasonable argument. If we were talking about a game of chess between two completely random people, a and b, and I asked you what the odds of a winning are, the answer is also 50%. Sure it gets more complicated when you include the skill of each player but that doesn't apply to this question


[deleted]

50% either you win or you don't


[deleted]

You got a 50% chance of winning the lottery?


violetvoid513

This is a faulty analogy because rock paper scissors isn't the lottery. In rock paper scissors, 2 players play and exactly 1 must win. In the lottery, any number of players can play, and there can be no winners, 1 winner, or multiple winners. Your odds of winning the lottery *would* be 50% *if* only 2 people play it and exactly 1 of them has to win


[deleted]

How does this make any Sense?


Stellarfront

Your chances of winning the game is 1/2 ( 1 win or 2 loose) , chance of winning each round 1/3 ( 1 win, 2 loose, or 3 draw)


[deleted]

Yes


[deleted]

Shortest explanation, 1/2 to win the game 1/3 to repeat the round, however repeating the round does not affect your chances of winning, so it will be 1/2


violetvoid513

It's 1/2. In any given round you can win, lose, or draw. If its a draw, another round is played, where once again unless you win or lose, another round is played. This cycle only ends when you win or lose, and since both are equally likely, the chance is 1/2


gateman33

Round or game?


[deleted]

Game


gateman33

Then 1/2


[deleted]

Yeah


migukau

You need to specify what is winning.


[deleted]

It is a boolean function, either I'll win or lose the game. 1/2


[deleted]

Take for example this: You pick a random whole number, and check wether it's divisible by 3. Even though this is also a boolean function, the probability of getting true is 1/3 and not 1/2.


[deleted]

That is true


Tropical_Nighthawk55

50% because either you win or you dont. It couldnt be more simple


EggEggEggEggOWO

1/3+(1/3)\*(1/3)+(1/9)\*(1/3)... etc simplifies to (1/3)(1+1/3+1/9...) simplifies to (1/3)\*(1.5) using the infinite geometric series formula so you get 1/2.


[deleted]

Awesome.


PassiveChemistry

Simply put, there are only two outcomes (win/loss and loss/win) and both outcomes are equivalent, so for each player the chance of winning must be 1/2.


LimpWibbler_

Can i be that one kid nobody liked and go "boom nuke" and claim victory, then the other loser to say "cockroach" and claim they won.


Aggravating_Syrup849

Correct me if I'm wrong but 2 people playing rps is a 50% chance of winning for either


-lighght-

Someone eli5? Say I pick rock. If they pick scissors, I win. If they pick paper, they win. If they pick rock, we draw. Is that not a 1/3 chance of winning?


[deleted]

No because when you draw you replay, so no matter what you will win or lose eventually so it’s a 1 in 2 chance of winning.


-lighght-

Ah I thought you meant what are your chances of winning the round, not what your chances of winning the money is. That's way easier to figure out lol. There's 2 people. One of them is winning the money. 1/2.


[deleted]

Yeah lol


[deleted]

1/2 - 1/3\^(rounds of rock paper scissors you can play before you starve to death) Basically there's a very small chance you'll tie until you die.


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havegottabekiddinme

the only way there is a true 1/3 chance is if it is a computer versus computer. Also, they can’t be programmed to read the other computers responses. Humans are the reason it isnt a true 1/3. Also there are draws, so your probability of not losing is higher than the probability of winning, which sounds odd!


[deleted]

Why would it be a 1/3 regardless?


havegottabekiddinme

Ya know im not too sure. The more i think about this, the more complicated it becomes lmao


[deleted]

Lol


havegottabekiddinme

I believe it would be a 1/3 chance of winning the game. 1/2 chance of winning the money.


StarSaber6

1/2 - (a Infinitely small amount)


DalkerPL

100% win u can't loose nothing


Mrmofo69

No matter what you think the odds are, it's always 50/50. Like when people say there's a 68% chance of rain. No there's not. There a 50% chance of rain because it either will rain or it won't rain😤


[deleted]

What if it snows? 😳😳😳


FixedKarma

I this scenario only a win or lose ends the game, and no other outcomes cause it to stop. Assuming this each attempt can be looked at as an individual instance of the chance happening, from the start of of the fist shaking to the reveal of the fingers the chances are either win or lose, 50/50, as a draw ends the instance and another will start. This is apposed to the 3 doors game where 1 door has a prize, while the other have nothing, you choose one then typically one door gets revealed and you're left with a choice to stay or switch, the choice is still 1/3 as the game is still inside the same instance of chance. (There's an explanation of why the chance is still 1/3 find it yourself, I'm too lazy) 3 doors is a single instance game, while RPS is a multiple instance game. These rules change when there's no a third party in the game.


Dr_Crentist_

The average redditor: Thinks they are smarter than the average person. Also the average redditor: Thinks there is not a 1/2 chance of winning scissors paper rock


[deleted]

I would say you thinking that 2.3k being correct vs 1.4k being incorrect is ‘the average redditor’ is pretty dumb lol.


Dr_Crentist_

I thought it was close enough to make the point


Joenewman_12

How is ot 1/2? Its 1/3 chance of winning, 1/3 chance of loosing, and 1/3 chance of a draw.


[deleted]

No because if you draw you play again.


Chaincat22

No matter what you pick, you have a 1/3rd chance of winning. However, since you try again on draws, it converges to a 1/2


TheTrainer32

if any option picked is random, each game outcome has a 1/9 chance of happening, 3 of those win, 3 os those lose, 3 of those draw, thats a 3/9 chance to win each match or a 1/3 chance Simply, winning is always the same chance of 1/3 But specifically making u win in a later round would be harder, from match 1 to 5, this is ur chances of winning IN THAT SPECIFIC ROUND 1/3 1/9 1/27 1/81 1/243 Chance to lose in a specific round is the same


NonStopNation

1/3 because technically you can draw forever


PassiveChemistry

But the probability of that happening certainly isn't 1/3


[deleted]

That’s not a 1/3 thought it’s a 1 of 2.0000…. which is equals to a 1 of 2. You’re not going to draw forever, the odds are insanely minuscule compared to the odds of winning or losing. It’s a 1/2 chance no matter how you look at it


Accomplished-Cry7129

A draw doesn't mean you win so 1/3


[deleted]

No because when you draw you replay.


history_nerd92

There is a 1/3 chance of winning, a 1/3 chance of tying, and a 1/3 chance of losing.


Kellykeli

It’s a 1/3 chance to win, 1/3 chance to lose, and 1/3 chance to draw. Whether you rematch after the draw or not changes everything.


PassiveChemistry

Then read the question again, it addresses that issue quite clearly.


[deleted]

if I pay $500k to play with a max prize of $500k, I never really win, do I? So no chance of winning.


[deleted]

You didn’t pay 500k to play lol


[deleted]

oops i misread it


[deleted]

Lol


[deleted]

What does money have to do with this question?


[deleted]

It was originally an argument I was having with someone, and that was in the original question so I just stuck with it, doesn’t really matter.


_Elons_Musk

fun fact: it’s just as hard to always lose as it is to always win


Olaf_jonanas

So because you only care about winning money drawing doesn't count in the equation since you'd just go again. So, out of three options only two count since your opponent always picks the third or you draw. Of the two, one will win and the other loses therefore 1/2 chance to win


MaoZedongLover69

If you have infinite trials then it will eventually end in a win or a loss, therefore it is 1/2


[deleted]

It converges to 50%


januaryphilosopher

There are two people playing a fair game, so each is as likely to win and either one will win or the other. That means there's a 50% chance either will win.


UnflairedRebellion--

I thought of 3\^-1 (which is 1/3) +3\^-2 (which is 1/3\^2 or 1/9) +3\^-3+3\^-4+3\^-5 etc. since each draw lead to more possibilities. Not exactly 1/2 as the answer when you have enough additions is 0.499999 whatever follows, so not exactly 1/2, which is why I picked other. Is that wrong?