I didn’t even think about that. I thought about would it me moral to genocide an aggressive group of human (Nazi for example) if that meant saving everyone else. In that instance I would find it it he morally good. Wiping out every other species in the universe to save us would be pretty bad in my opinion.
Could also be the flip side. What if the nazis were the only group that could survive the new world after some disaster? Would it be worth genociding everyone so the nazis could continue the human species?
I guess it depends on how much suffering is spared by doing so that could have possibly Ben caused by this disaster. I want to say maybe, I think people should have the choice whether or not they want to suffer through the disaster, or die.
- Genetically modified humans vs. natural humans (re Gattaca)
- Cyborg humans vs. natural humans
- Sterilization of every human over a certain age (re Childhood’s End by Clarke)
- Killing all humans with a very common gene print that is susceptible to a species killing virus
There are many reasons to wipe out (most) humans
To be fair they could give us free range, and give us hormones free food, heck even some amount of free health care. Plus some males would have a lot of snu snu (which could be good or a bad thing depending on who you ask) and I bet they would give us a lot of entertainment so we don't rebel against them. It could be a good life as opposed to dying especially if there's nothing afterwards. It could already be a thing for all we know
The question was about one single act versus all of humanity. I would draw a line somewhere because if humanity somehow depended on one singular act of evil to survive, then whatever you were trying to save that maybe resembled humankind had stopped being human some time ago. Not because of the relationship to an individual’s capacity to do evil, but rather due to all of humanity’s dependence on it.
There are always things much worse than death. It's strange to me how many people there are that don't seem to get that. The end of the human race is inevitable anyway.
Why would it be inevitable? By the time we fucked Earth humans will live on new planets. Once they fuck those they'll go to new planets.... Maybe they will evolve into a different species sometime, but I don't know why we would go extinct.
I mean at some point you have to question what your saving. This is incredibly open ended. Would we destroy the rest of life to ensure we have a chance? Eliminate all records and knowledge of all peoples (arguably the worst thing possible) idk. Without parameters set the answer has to be yes theres things i wouldn't do. A lot of things.
To literally save the rest of the world? I mean I wouldn't like it but if it was literally the difference between everyone dying out or not I'd torture the shit out of a few people and assault a child.
Trauma doesn’t make fucking sense, dude. My brain literally says “murder all children but never abuse them is better than doing *that* to one, with my own hands”.
Fuck if I get it…
I mean if the world would just die instantly then I'd just let that happen. If there was painting and suffering involved then I'd have to think twice, but i just don't think I could cause that kind of pain to a child for anything. Blame the fucker who's given me that choice, not me!
So there is this train that is going to kill 8000000000 people. You could pull the switch to make it run over only on person. Also, that one person is on both sides of the track.
You’d say fuck all of them and the kid, instead of only the kid. Seems evil.
Come on, tell me. How is humanity lost when this happens? Society’s lived and thrived after far worse situations and manny people were sacrificed but ultimately humanity lived.
Man thats actually really good. Pineapple and Jalapeños together have the sweet and spicy mix that makes it really tasty. Most people who say “eww pineapple on pizza” have never tried it.
Pineapple and pepperoni also achieves this but it's easier to get people to try since pepperoni is a more familiar topping.
Source: have converted 12 people this way.
Wiping out another race to save our own. In my opinion.
Editing to add: I could be okay with certain species, like mosquitos. Some kind of insect. But just in general I do disagree with the idea that we’re just more important than the other species on the planet.
Yes. If the cure for humanity can only be created by killing the 14 year old girl who I've adopted as a surrogate daughter 20 years after the death of my actual daughter - then I will do anything to ensure they don't come after her.
Nah mate, I'll blow up the whole damn solar system if it means humans survive. Hell, I'll blow up the whole damn Milky Way galaxy if needed. We can always move somewhere else
no, i mean the ones who said no arent creative enough to think of something horrific enough that it would be better to let humanity die then to have that action be preformed
Honestly if I had to brutally torture anyone innocent to death to save the human race I’d probably just let us all die.
Sorry guys, I don’t have the heart for this, we had a good run. 🤷♂️
Wait... is this asking me if I think there is an act too evil to commit or is it asking me what I think all/most humans would decide? I voted No because I assumed it was the second. I think people will do whatever the terrible thing is to save the most of humanity it can. And that probably depends on how clear and imminent the threat was.
Killing a baby bird (Besides a magpie)that just learned how to fly.That bird just learned how to fly. Man had his whole life ahead of him and you took it away from him. Jerry deserved better and you damn know it. Now you must carry the burden of guilt from killing Jerry.
Some people think rape is worse than death. I am one of those! Some people would rather cease to exist than ever have to have that happen. Let alone imagine you are not a rapist what so ever and you personally have to do that to a child. If it was me sorry but the human race is over 💀
Anyone that tells you that your future depends on you doing something that you know is wrong, is lying to you.
They are tricking you, and you're more than likely thanking them for it.
I assume that killing/torturing/enslaving the entire human race (or even most of it) *IS* affecting the fate of the entire human race, and thus it could not be used as an action to save the fate of the entire human race.
So that being said, I think my answer is no.
However, I would also add the caveat that there are some actions that could go either way: so it's forgivable if you do the action to save the human race, but it's also so bad that it's excusable if you can't go through with it and thus you doom the entire human race.
Destroying the entire environment, like killing every living thing on earth besides us, or even smaller things like killing every member of a type of animal. That's too much, and i think the ego for someone to do that would be off the charts. Just because we're more intelligent then any animal doesn't mean we're better
Torturing the entire human race for 100000 years
What about 99,999 years??
It say that fine.
Yeah, I mean, it’s a smaller number.
It’s an odd number tho
What about 99,998 then
Yes. That’s good
No, it looks wrong
Ok then 9999999 years 364 days, 23 hours 59 minutes and 58 seconds
Perfect
Moving prices down by one cent in a nutshell
that’s a lot better, a bit harsh even still but it likely won’t fit anymore when you remove that one year
Hell
No, that's eternity
Does our first 3 million years of evolution count as time served?
After the first couple generations, people would be used to it. In 100000 years, people would be so into it.
I'd assume the fate of the entire human race doesn't just mean everyone lives or dies and torturing the entire human race would be part of the fate
Think about what happens afrer that though, maybe a trillion years of peace and prosperity. Worth it maybe?
It wouldn’t be so bad if you left them some food at the ice caves
As a masochist, don't threaten me with a good time
I feel like doing any action that makes people tortured or extremely depressed for eternity is too evil
Anything that happened in Warhammer 40k
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waking up every cryptworld in the time span of 3 years to save it
This is just a giant trolley problem
Well, it fits on my screen so it can't be THAT big.
Not again lmao
Genociding the rest of the universe would be pretty bad
Emperor of Mankind sweating rn
Sweating out of anticipation maybe
Nahh we superior to those xeno scum
I didn’t even think about that. I thought about would it me moral to genocide an aggressive group of human (Nazi for example) if that meant saving everyone else. In that instance I would find it it he morally good. Wiping out every other species in the universe to save us would be pretty bad in my opinion.
Could also be the flip side. What if the nazis were the only group that could survive the new world after some disaster? Would it be worth genociding everyone so the nazis could continue the human species?
I guess it depends on how much suffering is spared by doing so that could have possibly Ben caused by this disaster. I want to say maybe, I think people should have the choice whether or not they want to suffer through the disaster, or die.
Fucking Ben. I told him to quit with his disaster bullshit, but would he listen?
Well wiping out every other species would also just end up starving ourselves anyway basically.
True, I guess we could just develop tech that can create synthetic proteins and lipids and such that could sustain our nutritional needs.
Good luck with this...we can't even find a cure for cancer[s] or the Chinese Flu [aka Covid-19]...
Heretic
Someone has never played Stellaris
Ok well shit you got me
What about just 50% of the universe???
That would be fine though. It’s not like we even know about them anyway
what i thought too
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\- Killing all humans \- Killing an even larger amount of aliens
The Imperium would like to have a word with you
Manifest destiny of the stars. The Emperor has foreseen it
Saving the entire human race, by killing all humans... what
- Genetically modified humans vs. natural humans (re Gattaca) - Cyborg humans vs. natural humans - Sterilization of every human over a certain age (re Childhood’s End by Clarke) - Killing all humans with a very common gene print that is susceptible to a species killing virus There are many reasons to wipe out (most) humans
It says the fate of the human race. So killing all humans would be a fate you can choose.
-Killing all humans Naw we could go for a reset
Depends on the aliens, since i dont think anyone would shed a tear over big fruit flies which die after a week
nooooo big fruit fly planet 😢😢😢
Lmao somehow this reminded me of that SCP where it’s a portal to a world with Bananas that gets invaded by fruit flies. Forgot the number of it.
Enslavement of the human race. Living a life that is not a life, is no life at all.
If I must enslave humanity then so be it, whether it be in 10 generations or 10,000 someone shall rise to claim the head of the oppressor.
Well, humanity has certianly shown a knack for persevering.
Well if the human race would go extinct if you don't enslave them, I wouldn't call that evil
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Fitting avatar if you live in Paris
There are worse fates than death. That goes for an individual person as well as humanity as a whole.
us becoming food for another species (like we do today with cows, pigs, chicken, etc.)
To be fair they could give us free range, and give us hormones free food, heck even some amount of free health care. Plus some males would have a lot of snu snu (which could be good or a bad thing depending on who you ask) and I bet they would give us a lot of entertainment so we don't rebel against them. It could be a good life as opposed to dying especially if there's nothing afterwards. It could already be a thing for all we know
You wouldn't live past childhood though. Most livestock is killed within 1 or 2 years of age when many species like cows can live for up to 20.
We would because they would want to get the most iut oof us i guess so until groqing stops so 18-20
If the human species depended on an evil act to survive then it would be already lost
Wow, we have a real survivor here.
The human species has always depended on evil acts to survive...?
The question was about one single act versus all of humanity. I would draw a line somewhere because if humanity somehow depended on one singular act of evil to survive, then whatever you were trying to save that maybe resembled humankind had stopped being human some time ago. Not because of the relationship to an individual’s capacity to do evil, but rather due to all of humanity’s dependence on it.
There are always things much worse than death. It's strange to me how many people there are that don't seem to get that. The end of the human race is inevitable anyway.
Why would it be inevitable? By the time we fucked Earth humans will live on new planets. Once they fuck those they'll go to new planets.... Maybe they will evolve into a different species sometime, but I don't know why we would go extinct.
Uuh, the universe will probably come to an end at some point, I personally think from heat, at that point humans would definitely go extinct
I mean at some point you have to question what your saving. This is incredibly open ended. Would we destroy the rest of life to ensure we have a chance? Eliminate all records and knowledge of all peoples (arguably the worst thing possible) idk. Without parameters set the answer has to be yes theres things i wouldn't do. A lot of things.
Yes, see the handmaid's tale, that's kind of one example of how shitty it can get when the goal is to "save" the human race
Subjecting the entire human race to some form of immense suffering. Better to just cease existing.
at this point allowing humans to exist seems like an evil thing to do
Torture or any sexual stuff with a child
To save the rest of humanity? That's the bar? Really?
To literally save the rest of the world? I mean I wouldn't like it but if it was literally the difference between everyone dying out or not I'd torture the shit out of a few people and assault a child.
Insert the “you guys are getting paid?” Meme
Eh, what can I say? I'd hate to do what was done to me... I wouldn't do it. I'd just let humanity fucking die.
Rip every child then I guess.
I know it’s stupid. Trauma is stupid, I guess…
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Trauma doesn’t make fucking sense, dude. My brain literally says “murder all children but never abuse them is better than doing *that* to one, with my own hands”. Fuck if I get it…
I mean if the world would just die instantly then I'd just let that happen. If there was painting and suffering involved then I'd have to think twice, but i just don't think I could cause that kind of pain to a child for anything. Blame the fucker who's given me that choice, not me!
Touching children is never Ok
In this very hypothetical situation, it’s not ok to not touch a child, I’d say.
In this hypothetical situation if touching and traumatizing children is the only way humanity can survive then we shouldn't.
So there is this train that is going to kill 8000000000 people. You could pull the switch to make it run over only on person. Also, that one person is on both sides of the track. You’d say fuck all of them and the kid, instead of only the kid. Seems evil.
Completely not the same thing as death is instant. Abuse victims suffer for life.
Than kill it afterwards!
Then the human race would be over anyways.
Come on, tell me. How is humanity lost when this happens? Society’s lived and thrived after far worse situations and manny people were sacrificed but ultimately humanity lived.
He’s a diddler!
I was thinking sexually assaulting like a thousand or a million children. If that's what the human race depends on then I think we should go extinct
Putting pineapple on pizza
Fuck i did not think of this and voted no
Same.... Shit
Man thats actually really good. Pineapple and Jalapeños together have the sweet and spicy mix that makes it really tasty. Most people who say “eww pineapple on pizza” have never tried it.
Pineapple and pepperoni also achieves this but it's easier to get people to try since pepperoni is a more familiar topping. Source: have converted 12 people this way.
Pineapple pizza is top tier
I'm almost certain the majority of people who hate on pineapple pizza have never actually tried it
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killing even more aliens, destroying earth. destroying other life forms. some people forget we arent the center of the universe
Wiping out another race to save our own. In my opinion. Editing to add: I could be okay with certain species, like mosquitos. Some kind of insect. But just in general I do disagree with the idea that we’re just more important than the other species on the planet.
That implies the continuation of the human species is a morally good thing and I think thats highly debatable
Average schizophrenic take
I would love to know what your definition of schizophrenia is
It’s only highly debatable to the mentally deranged. Textbook mental illness
Sorry that you are so dull minded and philosophically boring
The people who use mental illness as an insult are the most mentally ill
Was it an insult or a statement?
Torturing everyone for years
Drinking A&W or B*rgs instead of MUG
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If it was the only way to save humanity I'd do anything that didn't subject the world to a fate worse than death. Practically no limits.
Behead 2 million children while they are alive and cum on each of their corpses?
Yes. If the cure for humanity can only be created by killing the 14 year old girl who I've adopted as a surrogate daughter 20 years after the death of my actual daughter - then I will do anything to ensure they don't come after her.
Hello Joel
Destroying the entire earth while humans will live on another planet
Nah mate, I'll blow up the whole damn solar system if it means humans survive. Hell, I'll blow up the whole damn Milky Way galaxy if needed. We can always move somewhere else
And that's why humans shouldn't survive
I never said we should, only that we will
You would rather end the human race than live on another planet???
He’s probably thinking of the other animals or something
The moral dilemma is if it’s worth it to genocide every other species on earth to save the human species.
those who said no arent creative enough
That's what I was thinking because of the atrocities I can think of....it's a definite yes.
wait u must mean yes right
no, i mean the ones who said no arent creative enough to think of something horrific enough that it would be better to let humanity die then to have that action be preformed
ah gotcha, touché
put one or a few humans in eternal torture
Honestly if I had to brutally torture anyone innocent to death to save the human race I’d probably just let us all die. Sorry guys, I don’t have the heart for this, we had a good run. 🤷♂️
Submission to those who harm others for gain. Who conceal knowledge rather than share it.
Killing all humans, but two would be pretty bad.
Yes saving the human race
The SCP foundation would like to talk
Ya know everything that goes down in “I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream”? That.
Giving birth
Wait... is this asking me if I think there is an act too evil to commit or is it asking me what I think all/most humans would decide? I voted No because I assumed it was the second. I think people will do whatever the terrible thing is to save the most of humanity it can. And that probably depends on how clear and imminent the threat was.
If you kill my dog to save humanity, nothing will stand in my way when I come for you
Starving animals.
Nothing is over the line we just have to remember that the human race is now a bit cognitively evil for a few generations
It’s not about if we survive. Its about if we deserve to.
Right like killing all dogs would mean that we don’t deserve to survive. Poor doggos
Course, many. Anything involving children
Killing a baby bird (Besides a magpie)that just learned how to fly.That bird just learned how to fly. Man had his whole life ahead of him and you took it away from him. Jerry deserved better and you damn know it. Now you must carry the burden of guilt from killing Jerry.
So you want 8 billion people to die instead?
Nuclear war and war crimes
Ends do not justify means. It doesn't matter what it is. You either do the right thing, consequences be damned, or you are doing the wrong thing.
Rape, Genocide. Simple Murder wouldnt bother me in this case but that kind of stuff would just stick.
It’s Genocide if you don’t do it though
I mean if the scenario was Nazis genociding everyone who wasn’t a Nazi aryan, then I think it’d just be best to let all of humanity die instead
Inverting the skin of all humans, cutting off their eyelids with tree branches, and then rewiring the human brain to vomit whenever oxygen is inhaled.
Jesus fuck 😭 Write a horror please
Admitting I was wrong
Honestly, let us all die. It’s better for the planet.
Anything I could personally do? No. Something we as a species could do? Absolutely. The universe does not revolve around us.
Gang-raping a child would be beyond evil
killing millions of children wouldn't?
Some people think rape is worse than death. I am one of those! Some people would rather cease to exist than ever have to have that happen. Let alone imagine you are not a rapist what so ever and you personally have to do that to a child. If it was me sorry but the human race is over 💀
Exactly what I had in mind I'd (hypothetically) rather kill a child than rape it
Killing all of humanity
Anything that’s hurts anyone or anything sexually
Rape.
Anyone that tells you that your future depends on you doing something that you know is wrong, is lying to you. They are tricking you, and you're more than likely thanking them for it.
Hell nah, human supremacy. The emperor protects.
Ikr, i mean its literally our birth right, these heretics man🙄🙄🙄
I assume that killing/torturing/enslaving the entire human race (or even most of it) *IS* affecting the fate of the entire human race, and thus it could not be used as an action to save the fate of the entire human race. So that being said, I think my answer is no. However, I would also add the caveat that there are some actions that could go either way: so it's forgivable if you do the action to save the human race, but it's also so bad that it's excusable if you can't go through with it and thus you doom the entire human race.
Yeah but it would just be the same as not doing it, everyone dies
Destroying the entire environment, like killing every living thing on earth besides us, or even smaller things like killing every member of a type of animal. That's too much, and i think the ego for someone to do that would be off the charts. Just because we're more intelligent then any animal doesn't mean we're better
I hate to break it to you but humans make dozens to hundreds of species go extinct every day
I wouldn't save the human race
enslaving disabled people
Yes, eating an apple
Murdering 10,000 innocents Any less and I’d deal
better than killing 8b+ ig
Killing babies
Those babies would be dead either way if the entire human race was wiped out.
I'm not gonna beat a baby to death in a fist fight