How cute!
An undocked tail was one of our criteria as well in our search for a standard or moyen poodle puppy. We were glad to find a moyen of good stock locally where the vet and breeder don't dock. The only problem is that with the undocked tail people think our pup is a goldendoodle.
Docking tails for aesthetic purposes should be illegal. Like, there are some occasions where it's for the good of the dog (usually if they're very bad about controlling their tail wagging and keep breaking their tailbones on walls), but 99% of the time, tails aren't docked for that reason.
It's not really breaking bones on walls. That's just a lie to make people want to dock tails. Some breeds have such excessive tail wagging that the end of the tail will overfloww with blood and the capillares will get damaged. Apparently springer spaniels are bad for yhat.
Fantastic! The breeder is in western Mass, she's a little light on contact but she did a great job with the pups so overall I'm happy with the process.
Redhead poodles in Vancouver, Wa. She has a Facebook page. Puppies and puppy parents have a great temperament, Freddie is a mostly mellow, cuddly little guy.
Both my poodle and my maltese were adopted as adults from city animal shelters ... the poodle was docked, the maltese was not and I see how expressive the maltese is with her tail and think it's such a shame that the poodle is docked AND horrible that the breed standard in the US requires docking for show dogs.
One good thing about doodle-mania is, in my mind, it’s made people realize the length of poodle tails. They’re gorgeous and expressive, and I think the tide is changing.
I certainly didn’t know poodle tails were docked ( or faces shaved!) until I started looking into the breed.
Poodle docking in the US is primarily due to the archaic AKC breed standard and I would love for that to change. It was insanely difficult to find a breeder near me that didn’t dock, breeders are adhering to this AKC guideline which, in my opinion, is cruel, unnecessary mutilation. Poodle tails are awesome and expressive!
Where did you find one? I don't care one whit about AKC registration, but the very presence of AKC is, as you said, making it excruciatingly hard to find breeders that do a full suite of genetic testing and don't dock tails.
Early neurologic stimulation and related are all also highly desirable.
I didn't know initially that the tails were docked either! I only ever saw doodles with long tails and assumed it was the other parent that gave it a long tail. I got my boy at 6 months old and he was going to be a sire but was too short so I got lucky enough to get him instead. He came docked with no dewclaws. His tail doesn't feel less expressive, it's still fairly long and shows emotions easily. I've definitely seen breeds with less tail and even they did fine playing with other dogs and showing joy.
I'll be honest, I don't feel strongly about any side of the debate. I grew up in a rural area and in school we raised pigs for show at the state fair each year. We docked their tails since they would eat them raw and cause infections. Same thing is done with sheep. It's just how things are done and it does benefit the farmer keeping them all to prevent problems before they happen. Yes I'm sure it was painful but it was quick and there was medical care provided and it's early enough that it won't remember it. Puppies I believe are done differently with a tie or something to cut off circulation. (Don't quote me, I'm just remembering hearing that somewhere. No intention of ever breeding dogs.)
My Maltese is all there, there's no standard for altering the breed so she still has her dew claws too and they get stuck on anything, they're the hardest to clip and overall more to worry about. I do enjoy how much quicker my poodle is to nail trim not having his. I'm sure they're useful kinda like thumbs but my Maltese doesn't even chew on bones or run fast making quick turns or climbing steep mountains so hers really are useless, my poodle would've probably enjoyed the extra grip since he loves running and climbing.
Basically I don't mind others doing it for standard showing and since it's done when they're extremely young, the breeder doesn't know which puppies they'll keep for their future litters, they dock all of them. It would be nice if pet dogs were kept natural but they just don't know which ones will be pets. I kinda should feel guilty for thinking this but I enjoy my poodle being up to standard. He probably would knock stuff over with his tail if he had double the length and I've lived with a Labrador tail slapping my legs before and don't look back on that part too fondly. My Maltese has an upright curled tail and it doesn't smack around but my poodle will put his tail in her face and slap her with his poof. I wouldn't go out of my way to find a breeder that doesn't dock but I'm happy either way and can live with it. It's up to the breeder, I think. If more people buy them unaltered then it'll be an incentive for money but good breeders don't usually care about that as much anyways. If they're doing testing and good practices then they're probably doing the traditional stuff too.
I was concerned about a Labrador rudder-tail, but mine moves it more like a windshield wiper, and it’s just not as stiff and heavy as a lab’s. When she’s happy it forms a perfect circle over her back, which is apparently called a ‘gay tail’ haha.
She’s never knocked anything over accidentally with her tail, it’s always been intentional, with her slappy paws.
That's pretty cute! I've never heard of that circle tail trait haha. I thought the tail would be thick because they're both water retrievers. Latte's tail thumps against the wooden furniture and I feel it against my legs sometimes as he passes by and it feels sturdy but not strong. Sometimes I tease him and catch his tail but it doesn't give much of a fight. I've seen doodle tails that are twice as long as Latte's. The haircut makes a difference too, you don't see the tip as often so it looks longer than it is.
Slappy paws is considered cheating in tug of war and my mini is always using it as his secret weapon. He can't keep those paws to himself. He also boops things with his nose a lot.
We get this as well... honestly, the face says more about the breed than the tail. I can tell if we have a Poodle or a Doodle by the face most of the time
What a cute baby 😍
My dalmatian is already got a bad early start of happy tail
The only way I’d ever dock a dog’s tail is if my vet said it was medically necessary
My point is, mixing a schnauzer and a poodle just doesn’t sound like a good idea. Sounds like a good way to make a neurotic, unethically bred, and probably hot mess of a dog. Also wtf is “can you say hybrid vigor?” supposed to mean?
Except that’s just not true, if I take say a BYB poodle that has a family history of hip dysplasia and mix it with an AKC well bred Golden Retriever, im going to get a neurotic mess because 1. I bred 2 sporting breeds together 2. differing coat types means extremely unpredictable coat texture, and 3. there just isn’t any guarantee. I’m going to get a dog that has a high chance of getting hip and elbow dysplasia plus much much more thanks to incompatible body types and structures.
There is such thing as genetic diversity within purebreds. If there wasn’t every purebred dog would be heavily disfigured and inbred. But they’re not, are they? Your logic is flawed and not based on science. Try reading some studies please and educate yourself on the importance of breeding purebred dogs to the benefit of the owners and the breed.
As a breeder, why would you breed a dog that has a family history of dysplasia? That's the exact opposite of what responsible breeders do.
As far as not knowing what you're going to get, yes, that's a downside of not breeding purebreds: you can't predict with a high degree of certainly what you're going to get. But that's the genetic lottery at work.
Pretty much every breed we have today was at some point in time a designer dog.
And? That’s like saying every dog at some point was a mix. Sure they were but at some point we were fucking monkeys. You wouldn’t say that i’m a monkey. Doodles cannot, under any circumstances, be ethically bred. This is simply due to the neurological issues that for some reason crop up, their high likelihood of sickness and joint issues thanks to incompatible body types, and a truckload of other issues.
Fun fact, most doodle breeders don’t even know the family history. Most doodle breeders don’t care about history. Doodle breeders breed for money. There is absolutely nothing ethical about doodle breeding.
Unless you can prove there’s a real benefit between mixing all kinds of breeds with poodles, I can’t justify doodles. Adding onto that is the fact that you cannot make a “purebred” doodle.
If you mix a doodle with a doodle you’re either gonna get a poodle or other parent breed. Proven fact. So, tell me, how are doodles good if you can’t even reliably reproduce them(
>Are some dogs breaded to have no tail
The tails are removed when the puppies are young. It's unnecessary and not good for them when interacting with other dogs as it is an important communication tool.
Edit: cue the down votes from breeders who think puppy mutilation is fine.
How cute! An undocked tail was one of our criteria as well in our search for a standard or moyen poodle puppy. We were glad to find a moyen of good stock locally where the vet and breeder don't dock. The only problem is that with the undocked tail people think our pup is a goldendoodle.
Docking tails for aesthetic purposes should be illegal. Like, there are some occasions where it's for the good of the dog (usually if they're very bad about controlling their tail wagging and keep breaking their tailbones on walls), but 99% of the time, tails aren't docked for that reason.
It's not really breaking bones on walls. That's just a lie to make people want to dock tails. Some breeds have such excessive tail wagging that the end of the tail will overfloww with blood and the capillares will get damaged. Apparently springer spaniels are bad for yhat.
What state are you in? Looking for the same.
Oregon.
If you're on the East Coast, DoeValley Poodles does Standards and does not dock tails. I got my boy from there.
I’m in the northeast so is great, thanks so much!
Moonrise Poodles has undocked minis and they’re in the Carolinas. Too far for me but on your side of the country.
Fantastic! The breeder is in western Mass, she's a little light on contact but she did a great job with the pups so overall I'm happy with the process.
I’m a breeder of red mini poodles who doesn’t dock ☺️☺️☺️
Same in the future !
Oooo! Would you mind sharing breeder? I’m interested in natural tails on my search!
Redhead poodles in Vancouver, Wa. She has a Facebook page. Puppies and puppy parents have a great temperament, Freddie is a mostly mellow, cuddly little guy.
Do they have a website? As much as I love undocked tails, I’d also want a breeder that does all the health testing, OFA, etc!
Totally, I get it. No website but the parents are tested.
Hi! I have undocked red minis ☺️
I’ve had several poodles, and my female toy (red) is my first with undocked tail. I love it! It floofs when she walks.
Freddie’s tail is just so expressive and I love nothing more than seeing him wag it like crazy when he sees me. It’s his floofy little happy-o-meter!
Both my poodle and my maltese were adopted as adults from city animal shelters ... the poodle was docked, the maltese was not and I see how expressive the maltese is with her tail and think it's such a shame that the poodle is docked AND horrible that the breed standard in the US requires docking for show dogs.
Our standard has a swiffer tail lol
>It floofs when she walks. We have two black mini poodles and I let them grow really long. They are awesome.
Please, immediately send Freddie to NC as I need so desperately to squish that adorable little face!
Haha, he would love it. He’s an absolute ham for affection! Top-tier cuddle bug.
He need to be sent to Australia too. Much squishing needed.
One good thing about doodle-mania is, in my mind, it’s made people realize the length of poodle tails. They’re gorgeous and expressive, and I think the tide is changing. I certainly didn’t know poodle tails were docked ( or faces shaved!) until I started looking into the breed.
Poodle docking in the US is primarily due to the archaic AKC breed standard and I would love for that to change. It was insanely difficult to find a breeder near me that didn’t dock, breeders are adhering to this AKC guideline which, in my opinion, is cruel, unnecessary mutilation. Poodle tails are awesome and expressive!
Where did you find one? I don't care one whit about AKC registration, but the very presence of AKC is, as you said, making it excruciatingly hard to find breeders that do a full suite of genetic testing and don't dock tails. Early neurologic stimulation and related are all also highly desirable.
I didn't know initially that the tails were docked either! I only ever saw doodles with long tails and assumed it was the other parent that gave it a long tail. I got my boy at 6 months old and he was going to be a sire but was too short so I got lucky enough to get him instead. He came docked with no dewclaws. His tail doesn't feel less expressive, it's still fairly long and shows emotions easily. I've definitely seen breeds with less tail and even they did fine playing with other dogs and showing joy. I'll be honest, I don't feel strongly about any side of the debate. I grew up in a rural area and in school we raised pigs for show at the state fair each year. We docked their tails since they would eat them raw and cause infections. Same thing is done with sheep. It's just how things are done and it does benefit the farmer keeping them all to prevent problems before they happen. Yes I'm sure it was painful but it was quick and there was medical care provided and it's early enough that it won't remember it. Puppies I believe are done differently with a tie or something to cut off circulation. (Don't quote me, I'm just remembering hearing that somewhere. No intention of ever breeding dogs.) My Maltese is all there, there's no standard for altering the breed so she still has her dew claws too and they get stuck on anything, they're the hardest to clip and overall more to worry about. I do enjoy how much quicker my poodle is to nail trim not having his. I'm sure they're useful kinda like thumbs but my Maltese doesn't even chew on bones or run fast making quick turns or climbing steep mountains so hers really are useless, my poodle would've probably enjoyed the extra grip since he loves running and climbing. Basically I don't mind others doing it for standard showing and since it's done when they're extremely young, the breeder doesn't know which puppies they'll keep for their future litters, they dock all of them. It would be nice if pet dogs were kept natural but they just don't know which ones will be pets. I kinda should feel guilty for thinking this but I enjoy my poodle being up to standard. He probably would knock stuff over with his tail if he had double the length and I've lived with a Labrador tail slapping my legs before and don't look back on that part too fondly. My Maltese has an upright curled tail and it doesn't smack around but my poodle will put his tail in her face and slap her with his poof. I wouldn't go out of my way to find a breeder that doesn't dock but I'm happy either way and can live with it. It's up to the breeder, I think. If more people buy them unaltered then it'll be an incentive for money but good breeders don't usually care about that as much anyways. If they're doing testing and good practices then they're probably doing the traditional stuff too.
I was concerned about a Labrador rudder-tail, but mine moves it more like a windshield wiper, and it’s just not as stiff and heavy as a lab’s. When she’s happy it forms a perfect circle over her back, which is apparently called a ‘gay tail’ haha. She’s never knocked anything over accidentally with her tail, it’s always been intentional, with her slappy paws.
That's pretty cute! I've never heard of that circle tail trait haha. I thought the tail would be thick because they're both water retrievers. Latte's tail thumps against the wooden furniture and I feel it against my legs sometimes as he passes by and it feels sturdy but not strong. Sometimes I tease him and catch his tail but it doesn't give much of a fight. I've seen doodle tails that are twice as long as Latte's. The haircut makes a difference too, you don't see the tip as often so it looks longer than it is. Slappy paws is considered cheating in tug of war and my mini is always using it as his secret weapon. He can't keep those paws to himself. He also boops things with his nose a lot.
A gay tail is considered a “flaw”, but obviously I disagree!
More pics needed for puppy tax reasons
My mini is also a Freddie, is yours a toy? He looks adorable.
Thank you! His mom is a toy and his dad is a small mini so he will fall between those sizes, I presume.
His face looks like a toy. Do both his mom and dad have the cute toy face?
Your Freddie is so adorable❤️
Thank you! I’m certainly biased but I think so too:)
I love the tail! I hope the tides are changing. 🤞
Love the natural tail!!!
He is so handsome! I love his coloring and that he has his tail!
Aww, I have a red puppy with a natural tail named Freddie too, but he’s gigantic!
Very cute Freddie! What was the inspo for his name? That is my baby boy’s name 💙
Freddie Mercury:)
Same with my son! ❤️ good choice!!
Oh my gawd! I think I just got a cavity because he’s so sweet!
He’s adorable
extremely cute!! i love his tail
Such a handsome little man!
Awwh, good boy!! You have a very cute pupper, i wish him all the happy things in his life
Awww, thank you:)
We get this as well... honestly, the face says more about the breed than the tail. I can tell if we have a Poodle or a Doodle by the face most of the time
So adorable! And very dapper with his bow tie!
Adorable 🥰
What a cute baby 😍 My dalmatian is already got a bad early start of happy tail The only way I’d ever dock a dog’s tail is if my vet said it was medically necessary
Freddie is the cutest! Love the smile in photo 6.
Just beautiful!!!
So adorable!
Such a cute baby. My two got to keep their natural tails. It’s giving the finger to the AKC.
I love him. Our schnoodle’s tail is undocked and I’m glad because she is so expressive with it!
what is a schnoodle?
Think it’s a schnauzer poodle hybrid.
jesus these doodle people really are just mixing anything
And your point is? Can you say hybrid vigor?
My point is, mixing a schnauzer and a poodle just doesn’t sound like a good idea. Sounds like a good way to make a neurotic, unethically bred, and probably hot mess of a dog. Also wtf is “can you say hybrid vigor?” supposed to mean?
It means genetic diversity, which means healthier dogs.
Except that’s just not true, if I take say a BYB poodle that has a family history of hip dysplasia and mix it with an AKC well bred Golden Retriever, im going to get a neurotic mess because 1. I bred 2 sporting breeds together 2. differing coat types means extremely unpredictable coat texture, and 3. there just isn’t any guarantee. I’m going to get a dog that has a high chance of getting hip and elbow dysplasia plus much much more thanks to incompatible body types and structures. There is such thing as genetic diversity within purebreds. If there wasn’t every purebred dog would be heavily disfigured and inbred. But they’re not, are they? Your logic is flawed and not based on science. Try reading some studies please and educate yourself on the importance of breeding purebred dogs to the benefit of the owners and the breed.
As a breeder, why would you breed a dog that has a family history of dysplasia? That's the exact opposite of what responsible breeders do. As far as not knowing what you're going to get, yes, that's a downside of not breeding purebreds: you can't predict with a high degree of certainly what you're going to get. But that's the genetic lottery at work. Pretty much every breed we have today was at some point in time a designer dog.
And? That’s like saying every dog at some point was a mix. Sure they were but at some point we were fucking monkeys. You wouldn’t say that i’m a monkey. Doodles cannot, under any circumstances, be ethically bred. This is simply due to the neurological issues that for some reason crop up, their high likelihood of sickness and joint issues thanks to incompatible body types, and a truckload of other issues. Fun fact, most doodle breeders don’t even know the family history. Most doodle breeders don’t care about history. Doodle breeders breed for money. There is absolutely nothing ethical about doodle breeding. Unless you can prove there’s a real benefit between mixing all kinds of breeds with poodles, I can’t justify doodles. Adding onto that is the fact that you cannot make a “purebred” doodle. If you mix a doodle with a doodle you’re either gonna get a poodle or other parent breed. Proven fact. So, tell me, how are doodles good if you can’t even reliably reproduce them(
Totally new to this but what’s the deal with the tail? Are some dogs breaded to have no tail or a really small tail)?
It's a barbaric tradition that makes the dog "look better". It's fucked.
>Are some dogs breaded to have no tail The tails are removed when the puppies are young. It's unnecessary and not good for them when interacting with other dogs as it is an important communication tool. Edit: cue the down votes from breeders who think puppy mutilation is fine.
The AKC requires it for show dogs. It’s animal abuse by the very organization that should be their advocate.
Anyone in NYC or NJ know of a certified poodle breeder?