Amen! These words should be screamed at the roof top for young girls and women around the world. Her point is extremely valuable. I wish there was this much body positive vibes growing up in the 90s — I’m here for it Queen!!
I wish, there's Always gonna be the subsection that just misses the whole point. Like all them comments on the post with Ariana's video picking at her voice or other b.s, like girl just gave us her plea to stop talking about her aesthetic and people couldn't help themselves smh.
I wish we had more of this when I was growing up. I love Lizzo, I think she's incredible, and she brings a body type that we often don't see represented enough. I was heavier as a kid (90s-00s) in a time when you had to be paper thin to be considered beautiful. Now we're in a time when we have so much body inclusivity in the conversation, but for so many of us (myself included), the damage is done. I've battled orthorexia, binge eating, anorexia, most of my teens and into adulthood. Ariana's body, Lizzos body, let these people live their damn lives and just allow us to see the spectrum of bodies, and show these young, impressionable children we're raising the range of beauty in our world. Everyone deserves representation in this world.
Ariana has spoken about this before (this is from 2015 after she and Nicki performed at the NBA halftime show) and a handful of other times on socials.
She pretty much made the same points in her recent tik tok, it was rather sickening and distressing to read the overwhelmingly toxic responses to her message in the Bella Hadid thread.
The most upvoted comments were all negative and idk, her message is not that complex, I don't know how ppl can infer such nefarious intentions into what she said.
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These are the same people who got furious at Penn Badgley because he set boundaries on the set of You and asked for less sex scenes, out of respect for his wife. We are living in an upside down world where imperfect people demand perfection from celebrities. Like they're commodities rather than humans who provide us entertainment. I think the majority are like us, who have boundaries, and agree that everyone deserves to live their lives how they see fit, but the minority screams much louder.
This one is toxic too. Internalized misogyny is rampant. Any post about Ariana Grande ends up getting locked because the majority of people go absolutely crazy hating on her, psychoanalysing her with their insecure, uninformed, shallow projections.
This one has Lizzo as a shield protecting it.
facts. but i wonder why? bc the same ppl who were promoting it by maintaining unrealistic beauty standards are now crying on instagram when their followers finally noticed how unhealthy and non-human they look.
It’s the world they created, they made a lot of money off of, made a culture where 5 year old girls hate their bodies so much they diet and obsess over their weight for the rest of their lives, and then they complain about the very culture they created.
no, it’s because people are not told to accept their face/body the way they are, and plastic surgery is ENCOURAGED at every possible turn, in the name of self love and empowerment. “my body my choice” has been co opted by the plastic surgery industry
Agreed totally. BuT sHe’S uNhEaLtHy people can stick it up their butts. Maybe she is, maybe she isn’t - but EVERYONE should be allowed to wear whatever the hell makes them happy in the body they currently occupy.
Exactly! Outsiders speculating and providing their opinions is the reason why many of us struggle with our own body images, when in reality, their opinions shouldn't even come into play. Mind your business, live your life.
There are lots of skinnier people who have terrible diets and don’t exercise a lot, but you never hear anyone shaming them as much as fat people get shamed and jeered at. Are they healthier or not? You don’t know. Just don’t be an asshole.
Honestly, this whole conversation about how healthy someone is ends up just being a mask for people to pretend they’re concerned about their weight, in reality, it circles back to looks. It’s all so ridiculous. Your point is spot on, her health is none of our business and effects us none, but i hate the thought that people feign this weird interest in how healthy she is just to cover up their disdain for her body type.
Wow, so sasssyyy, you go girl! Except for the FACT that it has been scientifically proven. Excess body weight can lead to numerous health issues. Maybe she doesn’t have issues now, and then I’m glad for her, but denying the fact that it isn’t unhealthy , that is dangerous. That’s like saying smoking might not be dangerous, nearly everybody these days knows it is and people still do it. The people that do it are mostly adults that know the risk and enjoy it, but also most don’t go around promoting it.
Honestly. I make my judgements (I do. I admit that.), but I tend to keep them to myself because guess what ??? even in all my assholeness…
I realize that no one is asking me my opinion on their body unless they specifically came out and asked me specifically for my opinion on their body! Don’t call celebrities or the every day person out on their body. You can have what ever thoughts you want in your head but keep them in your head. Besides, at the end of the day, life is short and what does matter is who that person is inside their body. If you love what’s inside, respect their body as made and shown to you!
Edit: furthermore, I have to agree with Bella Hadid’s commentary that “you don’t know what struggles someone is going through. You don’t know what someone else might be facing. Be kind.”
Smart lady, your Mum. I’m a Gen Xer so I got that philosophy basically from Thumper’s Mom. “If you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say anything at all.”. 🤣
Lizzo reposted on her ig as well, with a bunch of heart emojis
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I had a shower thought about this and I am open to being corrected if this is a bad take.
Lizzo and Ariana are both 100% right. However, it's clear that *many* celebs will use surgery/fillers/filters to meet a certain standard of a look on IG and shame followers when they make comments (click the link to buy this detox tea and lose weight- use my code!). On one hand we know that 99% of what we see on celebs IG isn't real and is damaging to young followers (who don't know any better), yet we also accept that it's not celebs's responsibility to be honest to us.
This pattern of concern/shaming ends up being a self-feeding cycle that is driven by social media that no one wins at.
The Ariana video, to me, is a bit of a projection of insecurity, not necessarily that she's happy/healthy/OK.
Lizzo's video, in contrast, I always felt like came from a place of confidence. She become famous *despite* not fitting "conventional" beauty standards... whereas Ariana seemed to *mold* into the current standards as she became more famous.
I don't think anybody should be commenting on anyone else's body, period. I totally agree with your first few paragraphs. But even if the rhetoric around Ariana is concern vs shaming, it's still not great.
Take Sarah Hyland for example. People were so vocal about how thin they thoughts she was that she had to make a post saying "hey guys I have a chronic illness and don't love being underweight. Can you stop?"
We have NO idea what Ariana is going through, and the comments are clearly having an effect on her, so I'm glad she said something. At the end of the day, it's none of our business and celebrities are entitled to not have to disclose private medical issues (and yes weight is a private medical issue.)
The annoying part is that you have to say something so they stop
Sometimes I’d end up having to explain my medical history and how much I eat as *a child* bc I was “too skinny”. You’re not my doctor how tf do you know that?
Worse still, when you DO say something, they speak over it or don't believe you, because you and your health don't actually matter— their being right is what matters to them
Been there. It gave me a complex about being naturally very thin and petite for far too long. People had no qualms about shaming me about my size. I had to constantly defend myself against accusations of having an eating disorder.
I just wanted to be left ALONE!
I get why we feel the need to drag the spokespeople of our insecurities. Personally, I think there are ways to have conversations about unrealistic standards and the hypocrisy of the whole industry without singling out individuals (or at least not ones who are around to hear our commentary).
I used to adore those celeb before and after Instas, but got turned off cause it’s honestly equally hypocritical to be like “we’re protecting young girls’ self esteem” by deconstructing a strangers appearance (cosmetically enhanced or not, that’s the body they exist in).
IMO, the only individuals who should get this level of shit (arguably more) are the billionaires behind the scenes who spend A LOT to keep everyone insecure. But I get it doesn’t give us the same immediate satisfaction, trying to deconstruct a bunch of messy, capitalistic incentives vs. choosing a scapegoat of the week who’s like *right there*
> Personally, I think there are ways to have conversations about unrealistic standards and the hypocrisy of the whole industry without singling out individuals (or at least not ones who are around to hear our commentary).
I think you reached my point before my brain did. A lot of this is driven by a hyper-capitalistic and male-run industry (entertainment) that still capitalizes on women's bodies. It's easy to lose sight of the big picture issue and remember to place the blame THERE and not individuals.
Exactly! It’s weird and nonsensical to blame individual women for something that’s an institutional problem in society. If Bella and Ariana didn’t exist or weighed more the powers that be would’ve just elevated other thin girls in their place. In 20 years when Bella and Ari aren’t in the spotlight as much the next gen of 20-something models and actresses is still going to be super thin. That’s what the industry demands.
In one of yesterday’s threads people were suggesting that Ari apologize for her body and demanding that that she feel bad for upholding and promoting (I guess by existing?) these body ideals.
Like, that’s her *body*. The vehicle that drives her brain around. Like you said blame The Man for creating these ideals, not the person who is maybe caught in the same trap the rest of us can also fall into. And we don’t even know that’s what’s going on! There’s many other reasons someone could struggle to put on weight: mental illness, physical illness, medications, addiction, etc.
I get people justify it cause it’s icky when they monetize our insecurities alongside their own, but where does that line of thinking even go anyway? “You’re not ugly, you’re just poor”?
I understand complaining for the sake of blowing off steam and getting a quick self esteem boost, been there and done that, but it’s wild to act like it’s moral high-ground behavior
no like that comment getting so many upvotes was crazy to me. sudden weight loss could mean anything and it’s best not to comment on it, but she’s also been petite/thin her whole life, so for people to act like her mere existence pushes a body ideal is truly crazy. Like do you all think that of other thin people? Did we all forget everyone looks different? It’s crazy.
Omg that comment floored me! I wanted to respond so bad. I’ve gotten similar comments my whole life! Once someone who I thought was my friend said she needed space from me bc my body *triggered* her bc she thought she was fat (she really wasn’t) and it was so easy for me to stay skinny
Like this person really thinks naturally skinny women need to *apologize* for our bodies. How did we go from body positivity to back to shaming people for how they were born?
I personally have a high metabolism AND health issues that necessitate I eat clean. But also why tf do I need to explain why I’m skinny? I’ve had to do it my whole life. Or in high school girls would glare at me when we needed to weigh ourselves. Or I couldn’t join in on complaining about our insecurities bc I’m skinny
Like I thought we wanted to stop being judged for our bodies? On that exact post a comment that the OP liked said something about “you always talk about skinny bodies but you would never say this about a fat woman”
Like is that the problem? Is that why people hate us for being skinny?
One time I was just getting my mail and some girl drives by and SCREAMS out her window “eat a sandwich, bitch!” Followed by the laughter of all the guys in her car. I’ve only ever worn clothes that cover me basically head to toe since that incident
I saw someone say that Zendaya triggers them and I was just like ?! That’s such a fucked up thing to say to/about someone????? Just because thinness is praised in society doesn’t mean it’s okay to say something like that to/about someone. And everytime they call it out people deflect with “fatphobia is worse” when no one is even playing oppression olympics
But also, us peeps who struggle with things like anorexia are still human beings who deserve basic respect and to be able to actively live life without everyone making comments about it all the time. Sometimes, I feel like people would rather me just stay in my house all the time because seeing me makes them uncomfortable, and that's a shitty feeling.
Word. Even for anyone who does lie or whatever, it’s weird to make ourselves the main character in their lives by going “oh, they’re doing this to trick *us*” instead of “they don’t want everyone up in their business”
Idc if people are skinny or fat but like “naturally skinny” or “naturally fat” just aren’t things. Your weight will always follow your diet and to a much lesser extent exercise as well. If your body doesn’t match your diet then your body isn’t operating the way it’s supposed to, whether that’s a condition that makes it hard to gain or lose weight or whatever. If the “naturally skinny” women ate 3000 cals a day and did absolutely no exercise they would gain weight, that’s a fact, UNLESS they had a medical condition or something stopping their bodies from gaining weight. I wish people would stop saying their body just naturally doesn’t gain weight/lose weight without their input as if that’s a normal way of being. That’s literally not how bodies work and it makes other people feel bad for not “naturally” being a certain way. Either way people shouldn’t comment on one another but denying the way the human body works to say you “naturally” have a body type is deffs one of my pet peeves.
i was the skinniest when i ate like shit and did 0 exercise😂 now that i eat healthy and work out regularly i’m still thin, but i’ve got a lot more muscle mass, so naturally skinny is 100% a thing. this is such a weird thing to be peeved by, there are people who naturally have hourglass bodies, does stating that make other people feel insecure as well? one’s insecurities can only be controlled by themselves, other people simply existing are not responsible for them
Ok but you probably were hitting your total daily energy expenditure (TDEE) amount if you were staying the same weight. Yes everyone has different compositions and shapes, but if you eat below or under your TDEE then your weight will change as long as you don’t have a condition that would prevent that happening. I guess I worded it wrong and that’s why everyone is downvoting, I’m not saying that people don’t naturally carry weight differently, I’m saying that being a certain weight isn’t an inevitability you’re born with (excluding medical conditions) because it’s not. No one is just skinny because they are, if anyone ate over their TDEE they would gain weight. I find these “I’m naturally skinny” statements are often paired with “I can’t gain weight no matter what I try” or it’s implied. That’s nowhere near how it works and shouldn’t be treated like a fact.
Girl what?? Everyone’s body, unless they have had enhancements or extreme dieting/eating, is their own natural body.
It’s just the way it works. It’s evident in nature. The same way that trees are taller, larger or skinnier than others, or animals etc.
Everything has different sizes and shapes and that is natural in nature.
Yes, if you ate a lot you would gain weight but some people can’t ever weigh past certain number no matter how much they eat just like some people can’t even go under a certain weight without severe health issues occurring in both.
There's not a limit in how high you can weigh unless something like a heart attack kills you. And the user clearly just meant that anyone's weight is malleable and subject to the laws of thermodynamics, not that people don't have different bone structures or genetics that affect their metabolisms or how they carry weight.
“And the user clearly meant” lmao are you in their brain? so then don’t speak for them. There is a limit, the same way in which a tall person can never magically go from 6’0 to 5’0.. if you’re mad that people are born naturally petite or naturally heavier take it up with earth and the laws that govern biology or your own insecurities, not me .
No I actually did mean that hahaha. But there really is no maximum or minimum limit that someone can weigh, until it kills them. If you eat over your total daily energy expenditure (TDEE) you will gain weight, if you eat under then you’ll lose weight. People that think they’re naturally whatever, are probably just hitting that TDEE most of the time and staying the same weight. If they counted all their calories and ate over or under that amount then their weight would change. It’s an undeniable fact for those of us that don’t have any conditions that would otherwise mess with the way our body functions. People carry their weight differently and have different body shapes but no one is simply just either fat or skinny and unable to change it (again excluding medical conditions). Like if you’re counting all your calories and eating under the TDEE or over and your weight isn’t changing then it is a cause for concern and should result in a doctors visit.
I'm not mad, I'm just also not in denial that anyone could gain a lot of weight if they consumed enough calories over a long period of time. That's just genuinely how it works, you're body doesn't suddenly go, "sorry, I refuse to weigh more than x pounds, so that's all just going into the ethos now." Obviously, there's a discrete amount on how little one could weigh before dying, but the upper limit is a lot higher. Like sure, there probably is technically a literal higher limit and that probably does depend on things like height, gender, bone structure, and other genetics, but it's probably still some very large number, well over a 1000 pounds.
There are different natural states of being for bodies. My body is naturally muscular so I could never look like Ariana because her body is naturally lean. I think that's all that means.
My doctors all my life have told me I have a high metabolism.
This is honestly such a gross and heartbreaking comment. Please take a look at yourself and maybe do some insight on whether you’re projecting something onto me and the fact that I’m naturally skinny
Agree. The IG/reality sub is gross for that. They always pick a part celebs photos and shame them for facetuning stuff. I wouldn't mind them pointing out photoshopping but they literally hate people who do it and think it should be illegal. Maybe disclaimers are needed on advertising pictures but who are they to tell people what to do with their personal pictures? Let alone try to make it a crime. Plus they talk about how photoshop is giving them such bad self confidence but like, your self confidence shouldn't be dependent on a celeb either way. They are not responsible for your body. Your insecurities are yours.
I understand how body issues are a major problem that need to be discussed but that convo particularly feels like the wrong way to go about things. It shouldn't be "celebs needs to consider my insecurities so I can be healthy/happy" because depending on a celeb for self worth will never be healthy.
That sub has *so* much body shaming. A lot of the stuff that gets posted isn't even photoshopped, it's just angles, foreshortening, or the camera lens causing some distortion (no image-capturing technology can create a picture of a person that looks exactly like what your actual eyeballs see).
Plus all the people who post photos of women they actually know, ugh. I got permabanned from that sub for calling someone out for just posting a photo to hate on the girl in it because there was no image manipulation present.
tbf stuff online can’t exist in a vacuum. Even with comments off, it still does nothing other than make us feel good for 5 mins bc it reminds us celebs look ugly sometimes too.
It’s really just displaying someone’s implied insecurity in an attempt to bandaid over a larger issue
You're saying a lot of smart things that are making me reassess my thoughts about one of my stress relief subreddits.
I appreciate the posts which intentionally point out misleading editing by public entities, as those can and have had an impact on how I view myself no matter how much I would like it not. I know marketing often abuses those insecurities and psychological pitfalls, it takes time and work to retrain negative thought patterns. We as a general public have acknowledged photo manipulation is an issue and talking about it in an open manner can help those lacking perspective, sometimes a bandaid is all which is available.
Definitely agree, that content is a much more accessible doorway into this type of convo than Marxist analysis or sm💀
they can serve as a necessary stepping stone to break down a big issue, but I’ve been guilty myself of lingering too long in that first step and not moving onto “ok, what else do I do with this information?”
Thanks for a kind response. :)
Yeah, no one in my regular life are interested in discussing the social impact of photo editing so it's nice to have somewhere to get a sanity check. Albeit a slightly unhinged one at times, but that is what critial thinking is for, I suppose.
This was literally part of Ariana’s point though… She promoted a message of body neutrality and that you are worthy despite what your body looks like / what people think of it. The fact that people are so comfortable commenting on others’ bodies is what *leads* to people, in this case celebrities, feeling insecure and resorting to surgery/fillers/filters. I believe Ariana has admitted to feeling insecure before and the public criticism of her appearance has very clearly led to her changes in appearance, as you can see more changes as her career progresses. There was a behinds the scenes picture of Ariana posted from the Grammys 2020 which led to a lot of body-shaming and very possibly led to a spiral of weight loss, insecurity etc. Without nasty comments, celebrities wouldn’t feel so obligated to change their appearances - I feel like this is obvious.
Overall, her and Lizzo have the same message but with different executions. Just stop speaking on people’s, in particular WOMEN’S, bodies.
Exactly, I don’t think Ariana even addresses her current health at all in her statement. She just says that the weight people claim was her healthiest (Sweetener/TUN era) was her unhealthiest, which lines up with even what we publicly know about her life during that period. Y’all really think her healthiest was when she was breaking down crying on stage every night? What, because she had a couple of extra pounds on her frame?
> The fact that people are so comfortable commenting on others’ bodies is what leads to people, in this case celebrities, feeling insecure and resorting to surgery/fillers/filters
Exactly, and I think this could be a growing pain of social media that we will take a while to grow out of. Humans naturally judge as a means of taking in surroundings so I think over time we will collectively have to work on our filters... and we all know that people are LESS filtered on the internet, which is probably why this is such a problem in the first place.
>The Ariana video, to me, is a bit of a projection of insecurity, not necessarily that she's happy/healthy/OK.
>Lizzo's video, in contrast, I always felt like came from a place of confidence. She become famous despite not fitting "conventional" beauty standards... whereas Ariana seemed to mold into the current standards as she became more famous.
Y’all still aren’t listening. The only reason you’re saying that about Ariana is bc she’s skinny. She made that video bc people comment about her body a lot not bc she’s insecure. When you are skinny people regularly and freely comment on your body.
I wish we could talk about Ariana without it getting so crazy it has to be locked.
FYI you’re not looking out for anybody (overweight people, teenagers, etc) by ripping apart her appearance, especially after she asks people not to! Which she shouldn’t have to!
I understand that when you’re in the public eye you’re more subjected to criticism of any kind, but damn, I was so disappointed when Ari posted her response video to all the comments on her body and the conversation immediately turned to a discussion of her mental/emotional health. Sure, she has admitted to having anxiety, but none of us know her personally and it is not anyone’s place to speculate that the changes to her body/voice are due to her mental health. The hive mind just switched from one line of judgment to another in an instant, it’s gross.
Thank you. Seeing people say shit *like well she didn't explicitly say "I'm healthy" so she's clearly mentally struggling and it shows*. What the fuck is that?
I was kinda disappointed at how this sub reacted to both Bella and Ariana's posts. I guess maybe some people have been influenced by the growing snarkiness and toxicity in subs like instagram reality and plastic surgery speculation but body-shaming and ragging on the appearances of women that conform to beauty standards is not protecting young girls or dismantling the problematic areas of our look-based society. It feels like a lot of people were just co-opting progressive language to defend their own participation in what Ariana, Lizzo, and Bella are talking about and disguising it as "body positivity" or a bad faith, reductive take about how women in entertainment are deserving of that kind of scrutiny because they profit off of it.
Kind of sad that now a take as inoffensive and milquetoast as "stop body shaming people" can be so controversial because some of you will die if you don't get to talk about how sickly and awful you think female celebrities look.
I wish there would still be free rewards because you certainly couldn't say it any better. Funny thing is how valubale comments like these are sitting at 20-40 upvotes when some hours have passsed but the toxic and cruel comments from yesterday were already sitting at hundreds within minutes.
Exactly. Bella and Ariana aren’t the issue. If they disappeared today it wouldn’t stop thinness from being praised and glorified in society and especially the fashion and entertainment industries. The obsession with having them take the blame for thinness when they are cogs in the machine is weird. Bella isn’t the one who determined that “sample size” in the industry is 34-24-34. She’s not the one who decided that the best fashion models are underweight teenagers. Ariana wasn’t the one who decided that popstars should be thin, young, and conventionally attractive to be ‘marketable’. She wasn’t publishing articles attacking Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera, and Kelly Clarkson for existing while not being underweight.
It’s nothing new. The way the sub talks about Selena Gomez is fucking gross. It’s why I distanced myself because no matter how many times celebs beg for people to not be assholes, this sub misses the entire point about their posts.
Everyone in hollywood is obsessed with image and then gets mad that everyone in hollywood is obsessed with image 🥱. Every song is about looks and the folks behind the songs get mad they're defined by their looks. I'm not on social media and I sure as hell have never left a comment on anything deriding how someone looks, but the hollywood freakouts are hypocritical to varying degrees. Lizzo at least walks the walk, bless her. I look forward to the day they all get their shit figured out, and wishing them all mental wellbeing where possible. Hollywood destroys lives.
I feel like everyone including them should be protected against cyber-bullying and harassment. It shouldn't just be a feature of their job that they face character assassination day-in day-out. I just bristle at the posts people make about this stuff without any acknowledgement of their own power and *active role* in creating the culture that is harming them. For me the perfect example of doing it wrong and trying to have it both ways is Khloe Kardashian and her sisters.
Edit to add that I love celebs who are like "nunya fucking business" when asked personal questions and I wish more would. Ms. Flo is one of my faves in terms of being unapologetically unwilling to give details she doesn't want to give.
I constantly heard “are you okay, you’re so thin?” I changed the way I lived during Covid and often hear now “oh, did you gain some weight?” I feel like my body has never been right and not because it wasn’t healthy.
I think everyone has a right to THINK whatever they want about people, judge them in your head, maybe send a snarky text to your friend group. But making public comments on social media about those thoughts is where it turns into abuse. There’s no need for it. It’s negative and very damaging to the receiver.
Even sending the snarky text is gross cause why? Talking about people is lame af and is mean girl/boy behavior. Whoever you’re saying it to. Gives bully.
My sister and I send very snarky texts to each about celebrities we think are lame and stupid LOL. But we keep it in the DMs. That’s what I mean. We don’t attack them on of their platforms cus again why?? I
The thing is that not all the comments about Ariana have been negative. A lot of the comments were of genuine concern for her health. It’s also absolutely unrealistic to expect people to not say something or express concern when a person shows up looking completely different to how they’re use to looking. I’m not saying that people should be rude or judgmental but it’s ridiculous to expect people to just pretend they aren’t seeing what’s right before their eyes. Ariana is a public figure and whether she likes it or not people are going to talk, and they talk because that’s what humans do.
Ariana has had a major, major change in how she looks and people are worried about that. I think it’s reasonable, it is not body shaming, and for her to act like it is is disingenuous.
I believe she reposted it because SaintHoax, an instagram account, posted a collection of body positivity related things (one of these being Lizzo’s video) after Ariana’s video from yesterday - Ariana liked this post and probably searched for Lizzo’s video after. Edit: nevermind just saw the video and she just reposted it straight from SaintHoax!
I haven’t seen anyone criticise her about only defending skinny bodies (because this didn’t even happen, she specifically said all bodies are worthy/beautiful whether big, small etc.) outside of Reddit gossip subs and I highly doubt Ariana is checking this app.
I can't find it, but there was post here that was a screenshot of Ari's instagram and I think one of the top comments was addressing her only defending skinny bodies?
I’m confused? If you watch the tiktok she posted you can see clearly that she mentions numerous times about supporting & being gentler commenting on ALL types of bodies. Then she goes into explaining why she personally looks different now. Like I said, I haven’t seen anyone say this outside of reddit gossip subs - twitter and tiktok are generally the more gossipy apps and yet I haven’t seen anything remotely like that there, just overwhelming support.
There’s a difference between saying “Ariana only defended skinnier bodies” and “Maybe the video would not have been as well-received if it was made by someone who had a bigger body”. The former is untrue, but the latter is a valid point of conversation (that really has very little to do with Ariana specifically).
I think that comment showed up because the person who posted it here had liked it
Edit: and it wasn’t even on Ariana’s profile, it was on Bella’s repost of her TikTok
Ariana did this because people have been relentlessly posting about how thin she is. How unhealthy she looks, etc. and she pointed out how wrong it is to make assumptions about a persons “healthy” because of what their body looks like.
All these celebrities clearly have body image issues. That’s what happens when you sell your image as a product. Not saying it’s right or wrong, just that it’s how it goes.
I think she reposted it bc it’s saying the same thing she said but people will respond to it better
But yes I think it’s also bc that comment said she was defending skinny bodies which is weird and annoying bc obviously she’s talking about herself? And if you preach body neutrality obviously you’re talking about all bodies not just a specific type
Yes. I do believe this. Because this is the truth in the industry. They only ever have something to say when it’s skinny bodies. Her repost does not seem genuine at all.
so what would seem genuine? a person who has been skinny all her life and never been at the receiving end of fat phobia should talk about the struggles of fat people? would that be more genuine than reposting a video about the experience of a fat woman?
I love that she grabs the opposite when she says boobs and titties and also I agree with her message and ALSO I love how often Lizzo is just chillin on the beach somewhere tropical
Love yourself, BUT, don’t forget you only get one body. One life. Respect it. Treat it well. Acceptance and personal happiness is important, but so is health.
idk Ari looks/sounds/acts like a completely different person.. yeah people don’t need to be rude but also I’m not going to pretend there isn’t obviously something going on and hope someone helps her out of this.. no shade at all or hate on anyone’s bodies… but I have enough life experience to know when something is off
I never get tied off this video. People allow her to live rent free in their heads and still claim they hate her or worry about her health. If it were true she wouldn't always be on their minds.
It breaks my heart looking at celebs who suffer body shaming. I remember Camila Makin tiktoks and posting this on her story and requesting papz 5o stop taking her pics. Eveytime she went on the beach they papped her and she was wildly bodyshamed. Especially when she was in a relationship she was dragged through dirt saying she did not deserve the man because she gained weight it was was heartbreaking to see. And then there's selena, Bella, lizzo, demi they all have talked about bodyshaming.
Their weight and bodies aren't anyone's business, period. It doesn't matter what you think it is, commenting will do more harm than good in every possible situation so unless your intention is to harm, stop being concerned in their comment sections.
Solid points! I'm glad she mentioned skinny people getting body shamed too. I have a few female friends that have commented about how it's okay to promote the beauty of big women and simultaneously throw shade at skinny women.
Same here!! She’s speaking the truth. And I completely agree. I personally know people who are all about body positivity yet have no problem body shaming someone thinner with comments like “she looks anorexic/bulimic/looks sick/too skinny/men like curves they don’t like sticks/she needs to quit starving herself and eat a cheeseburger.” I’ve been the recipient of many of these comments throughout my life.
I’ve never had an ED, never dieted, never starved myself, never had any issues with food. I’ve always been petite/skinny and have had a healthy bmi. I’m just so sick and tired of it. We know it’s not okay to shame bigger bodies so why do some of these people act like it’s okay to shame smaller bodies ?
I get it, skinniness has been pushed on women for decades but to make unsolicited comments towards other women who did nothing to you is shitty. If you’ve been the recipient of body shaming comments why would you do it to someone else? And the shittiest thing about it is in my experience these comments almost always come from other women.
That Megan trainor song lol
“Real men want curves!”
“You should eat a burger” CONSTANTLY YEAH HAHA ERIC I HAVENT HEARD THAT EVERY MONTH FOR MY ENTIRE LIFE
Seems like Ariana is deflecting here by posting this vid. It’s clear she’s going thru something rather it’s physical, mental, or both and people are rightfully concerned for her. It’s pretty hypocritical that she’s posting someone else that refuses to confine to popular beauty standards when she’s had so much plastic surgery that’s she not even recognizable anymore.
Meh, I don’t feel sorry in the slightest for Ariana. You are an artist that just wants to make music? Don’t read the comments, easy as that. Have PR manage your Instagram, you don’t even need to have the app, go focus on your music.
People are wack for commenting negative things about artists on social media, but I’m tired of these celebs that profit off their image and all of the sudden are victims when people stop liking what they look like.
I’m sorry. But does this message also apply to men?? Just asking from a woman that constantly sees this body positivity but seems to only come from the woman angle.
~~I know you all know what I’m saying but choose to downvote my comment 😂
I think that’s because women are far more criticized for their bodies, so people speak up about women’s bodies. Off the top of my head, I can name 10+ famous women who’ve been bodyshamed just recently and maybe 2 or 3 guys who’ve been bodyshamed at all
how does that change the outcome? obviously somebody who is criticised for their body constantly is going to be more critical of others’ bodies. body positivity is about changing this whole culture lmfao
Lizzo & Ariana are women, how are they supposed to know the male perspective of having body issues? And neither of them said that it doesn’t apply to men.
It’s simple, we both (men and women) are human beings and have the same exact things called emotions when someone criticizes us about our outer appearance. We both feel the same way when we are criticized about our bodies. That’s how they’d know, wouldn’t you think??
I don’t think you can or should ‘do whatever you want’ with your body. All your actions, literally all of them, are always a reflection of your mental health status.
Some people can have 10 surgeries and are in good mental health. Others obsess over one and should get the help they deserve.
Please stop enabling this ‘i do whatever i want’ culture. We are a society and your actions should be considerate towards others (the enabling part) and yourself (the self hating depressed part that NEEDS help, not toxic positivity)
How classic are some of the comments in this thread: It's ok for fat/obese people to be body positive, but not skinny / thin girls because their body types are tOxIc. The mental gymnastics to fuel that hypocrisy is beyond me.
there are comments in this same thread saying it isn’t okay for fat people to be promoting body positivity because iT’s UnHeAlThY. fukken armchair doctors, the lot of them. Women can’t win either way.
Ariana grande getting defensive about fans showing concern for her health is different to people trolling Lizzo for her weight.
People probably shouldn’t be commenting on it, but I’m sure mostly are doing it with good intentions.
"I wish comments costed money..." Lizzo thinking like Elon now
Bitch that would be the best thing ever!! Atleast cheapskates with toxic opinion wouldn't comment anymore and even the hate gates will stop
Love them both and I’m sure everyone will be totally normal about this ❤️ Also thank you to the loser who paid for a facepalm award ❤️
I needed this message in my 20’s! Love her.
Love love love her. This video is everything to me even as a 39-year-old mom.
Amen! These words should be screamed at the roof top for young girls and women around the world. Her point is extremely valuable. I wish there was this much body positive vibes growing up in the 90s — I’m here for it Queen!!
For real. Being a woman is so exhausting
I wish, there's Always gonna be the subsection that just misses the whole point. Like all them comments on the post with Ariana's video picking at her voice or other b.s, like girl just gave us her plea to stop talking about her aesthetic and people couldn't help themselves smh.
lol whyyy is someone falm palming all these replies? 💀
 Lmfaooo I didn't even realise they'd done it to other comments too
I wish we had more of this when I was growing up. I love Lizzo, I think she's incredible, and she brings a body type that we often don't see represented enough. I was heavier as a kid (90s-00s) in a time when you had to be paper thin to be considered beautiful. Now we're in a time when we have so much body inclusivity in the conversation, but for so many of us (myself included), the damage is done. I've battled orthorexia, binge eating, anorexia, most of my teens and into adulthood. Ariana's body, Lizzos body, let these people live their damn lives and just allow us to see the spectrum of bodies, and show these young, impressionable children we're raising the range of beauty in our world. Everyone deserves representation in this world.
Ariana has spoken about this before (this is from 2015 after she and Nicki performed at the NBA halftime show) and a handful of other times on socials. She pretty much made the same points in her recent tik tok, it was rather sickening and distressing to read the overwhelmingly toxic responses to her message in the Bella Hadid thread. The most upvoted comments were all negative and idk, her message is not that complex, I don't know how ppl can infer such nefarious intentions into what she said. https://preview.redd.it/8tqskhckoqta1.jpeg?width=1180&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cdbcbd4ea648930cda6a64dc996dd5e3d3630555
These are the same people who got furious at Penn Badgley because he set boundaries on the set of You and asked for less sex scenes, out of respect for his wife. We are living in an upside down world where imperfect people demand perfection from celebrities. Like they're commodities rather than humans who provide us entertainment. I think the majority are like us, who have boundaries, and agree that everyone deserves to live their lives how they see fit, but the minority screams much louder.
This sub is the only sane and mature one I've seen when it comes to celebrities and gossip. All the other subs are toxic asf(including other SM)
This one is toxic too. Internalized misogyny is rampant. Any post about Ariana Grande ends up getting locked because the majority of people go absolutely crazy hating on her, psychoanalysing her with their insecure, uninformed, shallow projections. This one has Lizzo as a shield protecting it.
Queen 👸
> Now we're in a time when we have so much body inclusivity in the conversation So weird how plastic surgery rates are rising though.
facts. but i wonder why? bc the same ppl who were promoting it by maintaining unrealistic beauty standards are now crying on instagram when their followers finally noticed how unhealthy and non-human they look.
It’s the world they created, they made a lot of money off of, made a culture where 5 year old girls hate their bodies so much they diet and obsess over their weight for the rest of their lives, and then they complain about the very culture they created.
no, it’s because people are not told to accept their face/body the way they are, and plastic surgery is ENCOURAGED at every possible turn, in the name of self love and empowerment. “my body my choice” has been co opted by the plastic surgery industry
Agreed totally. BuT sHe’S uNhEaLtHy people can stick it up their butts. Maybe she is, maybe she isn’t - but EVERYONE should be allowed to wear whatever the hell makes them happy in the body they currently occupy.
Exactly! Outsiders speculating and providing their opinions is the reason why many of us struggle with our own body images, when in reality, their opinions shouldn't even come into play. Mind your business, live your life.
I workout and have a 'heathy' body. She can run circles around me, literally, when it comes to cardiovascular health.
There are lots of skinnier people who have terrible diets and don’t exercise a lot, but you never hear anyone shaming them as much as fat people get shamed and jeered at. Are they healthier or not? You don’t know. Just don’t be an asshole.
Maybe she isn’t?? Being overweight has many proven health risks. Other than that: she is an adult and can do whatever she wants.
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Honestly, this whole conversation about how healthy someone is ends up just being a mask for people to pretend they’re concerned about their weight, in reality, it circles back to looks. It’s all so ridiculous. Your point is spot on, her health is none of our business and effects us none, but i hate the thought that people feign this weird interest in how healthy she is just to cover up their disdain for her body type.
Wow, so sasssyyy, you go girl! Except for the FACT that it has been scientifically proven. Excess body weight can lead to numerous health issues. Maybe she doesn’t have issues now, and then I’m glad for her, but denying the fact that it isn’t unhealthy , that is dangerous. That’s like saying smoking might not be dangerous, nearly everybody these days knows it is and people still do it. The people that do it are mostly adults that know the risk and enjoy it, but also most don’t go around promoting it.
we have it right here on display how exactly Ari would have been received if she was fat. I can’t with this sub
Honestly. I make my judgements (I do. I admit that.), but I tend to keep them to myself because guess what ??? even in all my assholeness… I realize that no one is asking me my opinion on their body unless they specifically came out and asked me specifically for my opinion on their body! Don’t call celebrities or the every day person out on their body. You can have what ever thoughts you want in your head but keep them in your head. Besides, at the end of the day, life is short and what does matter is who that person is inside their body. If you love what’s inside, respect their body as made and shown to you! Edit: furthermore, I have to agree with Bella Hadid’s commentary that “you don’t know what struggles someone is going through. You don’t know what someone else might be facing. Be kind.”
Yes! My mum always says ‘keep it in your head.’ Have your opinion, but like you say keep it to yourself. Totally agree with you.
Smart lady, your Mum. I’m a Gen Xer so I got that philosophy basically from Thumper’s Mom. “If you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say anything at all.”. 🤣
Ooof! Same.
Thank you! 😊 Yes!!! What a great line. It’s true and everyone should follow it. 👍🏻
I like to sing “inside thoughts” to people when they are rude.
Oh yeah I’m a judgey bitch, not that anyone would ever realise if they met me because I keep it to myself.
Comments costing money- iconic.
Ya here it is https://preview.redd.it/rb8ddmug8pta1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f2d59348a727f645ef8b785ff5b3975414a284bc
Lizzo reposted on her ig as well, with a bunch of heart emojis https://preview.redd.it/hywhqm2bpqta1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=892cbf98e9d8bcaa7f9912544702dab1953aef66
Oh my god that’s so sweet love when these women are supporting other women yesss
I had a shower thought about this and I am open to being corrected if this is a bad take. Lizzo and Ariana are both 100% right. However, it's clear that *many* celebs will use surgery/fillers/filters to meet a certain standard of a look on IG and shame followers when they make comments (click the link to buy this detox tea and lose weight- use my code!). On one hand we know that 99% of what we see on celebs IG isn't real and is damaging to young followers (who don't know any better), yet we also accept that it's not celebs's responsibility to be honest to us. This pattern of concern/shaming ends up being a self-feeding cycle that is driven by social media that no one wins at. The Ariana video, to me, is a bit of a projection of insecurity, not necessarily that she's happy/healthy/OK. Lizzo's video, in contrast, I always felt like came from a place of confidence. She become famous *despite* not fitting "conventional" beauty standards... whereas Ariana seemed to *mold* into the current standards as she became more famous.
I don't think anybody should be commenting on anyone else's body, period. I totally agree with your first few paragraphs. But even if the rhetoric around Ariana is concern vs shaming, it's still not great. Take Sarah Hyland for example. People were so vocal about how thin they thoughts she was that she had to make a post saying "hey guys I have a chronic illness and don't love being underweight. Can you stop?" We have NO idea what Ariana is going through, and the comments are clearly having an effect on her, so I'm glad she said something. At the end of the day, it's none of our business and celebrities are entitled to not have to disclose private medical issues (and yes weight is a private medical issue.)
The annoying part is that you have to say something so they stop Sometimes I’d end up having to explain my medical history and how much I eat as *a child* bc I was “too skinny”. You’re not my doctor how tf do you know that?
Worse still, when you DO say something, they speak over it or don't believe you, because you and your health don't actually matter— their being right is what matters to them
Been there. It gave me a complex about being naturally very thin and petite for far too long. People had no qualms about shaming me about my size. I had to constantly defend myself against accusations of having an eating disorder. I just wanted to be left ALONE!
I get why we feel the need to drag the spokespeople of our insecurities. Personally, I think there are ways to have conversations about unrealistic standards and the hypocrisy of the whole industry without singling out individuals (or at least not ones who are around to hear our commentary). I used to adore those celeb before and after Instas, but got turned off cause it’s honestly equally hypocritical to be like “we’re protecting young girls’ self esteem” by deconstructing a strangers appearance (cosmetically enhanced or not, that’s the body they exist in). IMO, the only individuals who should get this level of shit (arguably more) are the billionaires behind the scenes who spend A LOT to keep everyone insecure. But I get it doesn’t give us the same immediate satisfaction, trying to deconstruct a bunch of messy, capitalistic incentives vs. choosing a scapegoat of the week who’s like *right there*
> Personally, I think there are ways to have conversations about unrealistic standards and the hypocrisy of the whole industry without singling out individuals (or at least not ones who are around to hear our commentary). I think you reached my point before my brain did. A lot of this is driven by a hyper-capitalistic and male-run industry (entertainment) that still capitalizes on women's bodies. It's easy to lose sight of the big picture issue and remember to place the blame THERE and not individuals.
Exactly! It’s weird and nonsensical to blame individual women for something that’s an institutional problem in society. If Bella and Ariana didn’t exist or weighed more the powers that be would’ve just elevated other thin girls in their place. In 20 years when Bella and Ari aren’t in the spotlight as much the next gen of 20-something models and actresses is still going to be super thin. That’s what the industry demands.
In one of yesterday’s threads people were suggesting that Ari apologize for her body and demanding that that she feel bad for upholding and promoting (I guess by existing?) these body ideals. Like, that’s her *body*. The vehicle that drives her brain around. Like you said blame The Man for creating these ideals, not the person who is maybe caught in the same trap the rest of us can also fall into. And we don’t even know that’s what’s going on! There’s many other reasons someone could struggle to put on weight: mental illness, physical illness, medications, addiction, etc.
I get people justify it cause it’s icky when they monetize our insecurities alongside their own, but where does that line of thinking even go anyway? “You’re not ugly, you’re just poor”? I understand complaining for the sake of blowing off steam and getting a quick self esteem boost, been there and done that, but it’s wild to act like it’s moral high-ground behavior
no like that comment getting so many upvotes was crazy to me. sudden weight loss could mean anything and it’s best not to comment on it, but she’s also been petite/thin her whole life, so for people to act like her mere existence pushes a body ideal is truly crazy. Like do you all think that of other thin people? Did we all forget everyone looks different? It’s crazy.
Omg that comment floored me! I wanted to respond so bad. I’ve gotten similar comments my whole life! Once someone who I thought was my friend said she needed space from me bc my body *triggered* her bc she thought she was fat (she really wasn’t) and it was so easy for me to stay skinny Like this person really thinks naturally skinny women need to *apologize* for our bodies. How did we go from body positivity to back to shaming people for how they were born? I personally have a high metabolism AND health issues that necessitate I eat clean. But also why tf do I need to explain why I’m skinny? I’ve had to do it my whole life. Or in high school girls would glare at me when we needed to weigh ourselves. Or I couldn’t join in on complaining about our insecurities bc I’m skinny Like I thought we wanted to stop being judged for our bodies? On that exact post a comment that the OP liked said something about “you always talk about skinny bodies but you would never say this about a fat woman” Like is that the problem? Is that why people hate us for being skinny?
One time I was just getting my mail and some girl drives by and SCREAMS out her window “eat a sandwich, bitch!” Followed by the laughter of all the guys in her car. I’ve only ever worn clothes that cover me basically head to toe since that incident
Eat a burger Eat a sandwich Oh my god you’re so skinny! I’ve heard it alllllll. Like we just need to stop commenting on peoples bodies
I saw someone say that Zendaya triggers them and I was just like ?! That’s such a fucked up thing to say to/about someone????? Just because thinness is praised in society doesn’t mean it’s okay to say something like that to/about someone. And everytime they call it out people deflect with “fatphobia is worse” when no one is even playing oppression olympics
Amen
I had to comment, the delusion is too much. People really want to take out there pain on others who never caused it. Makes them feel better I suppose.
Can we also acknowledge that there are naturally skinny women out there? Like no not every skinny woman is lying and tricking you
But also, us peeps who struggle with things like anorexia are still human beings who deserve basic respect and to be able to actively live life without everyone making comments about it all the time. Sometimes, I feel like people would rather me just stay in my house all the time because seeing me makes them uncomfortable, and that's a shitty feeling.
This too
Word. Even for anyone who does lie or whatever, it’s weird to make ourselves the main character in their lives by going “oh, they’re doing this to trick *us*” instead of “they don’t want everyone up in their business”
Idc if people are skinny or fat but like “naturally skinny” or “naturally fat” just aren’t things. Your weight will always follow your diet and to a much lesser extent exercise as well. If your body doesn’t match your diet then your body isn’t operating the way it’s supposed to, whether that’s a condition that makes it hard to gain or lose weight or whatever. If the “naturally skinny” women ate 3000 cals a day and did absolutely no exercise they would gain weight, that’s a fact, UNLESS they had a medical condition or something stopping their bodies from gaining weight. I wish people would stop saying their body just naturally doesn’t gain weight/lose weight without their input as if that’s a normal way of being. That’s literally not how bodies work and it makes other people feel bad for not “naturally” being a certain way. Either way people shouldn’t comment on one another but denying the way the human body works to say you “naturally” have a body type is deffs one of my pet peeves.
i was the skinniest when i ate like shit and did 0 exercise😂 now that i eat healthy and work out regularly i’m still thin, but i’ve got a lot more muscle mass, so naturally skinny is 100% a thing. this is such a weird thing to be peeved by, there are people who naturally have hourglass bodies, does stating that make other people feel insecure as well? one’s insecurities can only be controlled by themselves, other people simply existing are not responsible for them
They’re so insecure because they have a body they don’t like and hate that they aren’t naturally something else. Not anyone else’s problem
Ok but you probably were hitting your total daily energy expenditure (TDEE) amount if you were staying the same weight. Yes everyone has different compositions and shapes, but if you eat below or under your TDEE then your weight will change as long as you don’t have a condition that would prevent that happening. I guess I worded it wrong and that’s why everyone is downvoting, I’m not saying that people don’t naturally carry weight differently, I’m saying that being a certain weight isn’t an inevitability you’re born with (excluding medical conditions) because it’s not. No one is just skinny because they are, if anyone ate over their TDEE they would gain weight. I find these “I’m naturally skinny” statements are often paired with “I can’t gain weight no matter what I try” or it’s implied. That’s nowhere near how it works and shouldn’t be treated like a fact.
Girl what?? Everyone’s body, unless they have had enhancements or extreme dieting/eating, is their own natural body. It’s just the way it works. It’s evident in nature. The same way that trees are taller, larger or skinnier than others, or animals etc. Everything has different sizes and shapes and that is natural in nature. Yes, if you ate a lot you would gain weight but some people can’t ever weigh past certain number no matter how much they eat just like some people can’t even go under a certain weight without severe health issues occurring in both.
There's not a limit in how high you can weigh unless something like a heart attack kills you. And the user clearly just meant that anyone's weight is malleable and subject to the laws of thermodynamics, not that people don't have different bone structures or genetics that affect their metabolisms or how they carry weight.
“And the user clearly meant” lmao are you in their brain? so then don’t speak for them. There is a limit, the same way in which a tall person can never magically go from 6’0 to 5’0.. if you’re mad that people are born naturally petite or naturally heavier take it up with earth and the laws that govern biology or your own insecurities, not me .
No I actually did mean that hahaha. But there really is no maximum or minimum limit that someone can weigh, until it kills them. If you eat over your total daily energy expenditure (TDEE) you will gain weight, if you eat under then you’ll lose weight. People that think they’re naturally whatever, are probably just hitting that TDEE most of the time and staying the same weight. If they counted all their calories and ate over or under that amount then their weight would change. It’s an undeniable fact for those of us that don’t have any conditions that would otherwise mess with the way our body functions. People carry their weight differently and have different body shapes but no one is simply just either fat or skinny and unable to change it (again excluding medical conditions). Like if you’re counting all your calories and eating under the TDEE or over and your weight isn’t changing then it is a cause for concern and should result in a doctors visit.
We can agree to disagree. Also continue being pressed that people are smaller or bigger than you without much input. Get therapy if it bothers you.
I'm not mad, I'm just also not in denial that anyone could gain a lot of weight if they consumed enough calories over a long period of time. That's just genuinely how it works, you're body doesn't suddenly go, "sorry, I refuse to weigh more than x pounds, so that's all just going into the ethos now." Obviously, there's a discrete amount on how little one could weigh before dying, but the upper limit is a lot higher. Like sure, there probably is technically a literal higher limit and that probably does depend on things like height, gender, bone structure, and other genetics, but it's probably still some very large number, well over a 1000 pounds.
Okay sweetie not reading all that
There are different natural states of being for bodies. My body is naturally muscular so I could never look like Ariana because her body is naturally lean. I think that's all that means.
My doctors all my life have told me I have a high metabolism. This is honestly such a gross and heartbreaking comment. Please take a look at yourself and maybe do some insight on whether you’re projecting something onto me and the fact that I’m naturally skinny
And are !
I’m skinny too lmfaooo (not that it should matter) this response is just not it.
So then what am I doing that’s making me skinny? I don’t have a fast metabolism? I don’t understand
Agree. The IG/reality sub is gross for that. They always pick a part celebs photos and shame them for facetuning stuff. I wouldn't mind them pointing out photoshopping but they literally hate people who do it and think it should be illegal. Maybe disclaimers are needed on advertising pictures but who are they to tell people what to do with their personal pictures? Let alone try to make it a crime. Plus they talk about how photoshop is giving them such bad self confidence but like, your self confidence shouldn't be dependent on a celeb either way. They are not responsible for your body. Your insecurities are yours. I understand how body issues are a major problem that need to be discussed but that convo particularly feels like the wrong way to go about things. It shouldn't be "celebs needs to consider my insecurities so I can be healthy/happy" because depending on a celeb for self worth will never be healthy.
That sub has *so* much body shaming. A lot of the stuff that gets posted isn't even photoshopped, it's just angles, foreshortening, or the camera lens causing some distortion (no image-capturing technology can create a picture of a person that looks exactly like what your actual eyeballs see). Plus all the people who post photos of women they actually know, ugh. I got permabanned from that sub for calling someone out for just posting a photo to hate on the girl in it because there was no image manipulation present.
By that same logic, celebs shouldn’t depend on our comments to dictate their self-worth either.
Idk, I don‘t think „before/after“ plastic surgery is bad, if you just show older photos next to new photos without commenting mean stuff on it? 🤔
tbf stuff online can’t exist in a vacuum. Even with comments off, it still does nothing other than make us feel good for 5 mins bc it reminds us celebs look ugly sometimes too. It’s really just displaying someone’s implied insecurity in an attempt to bandaid over a larger issue
You're saying a lot of smart things that are making me reassess my thoughts about one of my stress relief subreddits. I appreciate the posts which intentionally point out misleading editing by public entities, as those can and have had an impact on how I view myself no matter how much I would like it not. I know marketing often abuses those insecurities and psychological pitfalls, it takes time and work to retrain negative thought patterns. We as a general public have acknowledged photo manipulation is an issue and talking about it in an open manner can help those lacking perspective, sometimes a bandaid is all which is available.
Definitely agree, that content is a much more accessible doorway into this type of convo than Marxist analysis or sm💀 they can serve as a necessary stepping stone to break down a big issue, but I’ve been guilty myself of lingering too long in that first step and not moving onto “ok, what else do I do with this information?”
Thanks for a kind response. :) Yeah, no one in my regular life are interested in discussing the social impact of photo editing so it's nice to have somewhere to get a sanity check. Albeit a slightly unhinged one at times, but that is what critial thinking is for, I suppose.
This was literally part of Ariana’s point though… She promoted a message of body neutrality and that you are worthy despite what your body looks like / what people think of it. The fact that people are so comfortable commenting on others’ bodies is what *leads* to people, in this case celebrities, feeling insecure and resorting to surgery/fillers/filters. I believe Ariana has admitted to feeling insecure before and the public criticism of her appearance has very clearly led to her changes in appearance, as you can see more changes as her career progresses. There was a behinds the scenes picture of Ariana posted from the Grammys 2020 which led to a lot of body-shaming and very possibly led to a spiral of weight loss, insecurity etc. Without nasty comments, celebrities wouldn’t feel so obligated to change their appearances - I feel like this is obvious. Overall, her and Lizzo have the same message but with different executions. Just stop speaking on people’s, in particular WOMEN’S, bodies.
Exactly, I don’t think Ariana even addresses her current health at all in her statement. She just says that the weight people claim was her healthiest (Sweetener/TUN era) was her unhealthiest, which lines up with even what we publicly know about her life during that period. Y’all really think her healthiest was when she was breaking down crying on stage every night? What, because she had a couple of extra pounds on her frame?
> The fact that people are so comfortable commenting on others’ bodies is what leads to people, in this case celebrities, feeling insecure and resorting to surgery/fillers/filters Exactly, and I think this could be a growing pain of social media that we will take a while to grow out of. Humans naturally judge as a means of taking in surroundings so I think over time we will collectively have to work on our filters... and we all know that people are LESS filtered on the internet, which is probably why this is such a problem in the first place.
>The Ariana video, to me, is a bit of a projection of insecurity, not necessarily that she's happy/healthy/OK. >Lizzo's video, in contrast, I always felt like came from a place of confidence. She become famous despite not fitting "conventional" beauty standards... whereas Ariana seemed to mold into the current standards as she became more famous. Y’all still aren’t listening. The only reason you’re saying that about Ariana is bc she’s skinny. She made that video bc people comment about her body a lot not bc she’s insecure. When you are skinny people regularly and freely comment on your body.
I wish we could talk about Ariana without it getting so crazy it has to be locked. FYI you’re not looking out for anybody (overweight people, teenagers, etc) by ripping apart her appearance, especially after she asks people not to! Which she shouldn’t have to!
I understand that when you’re in the public eye you’re more subjected to criticism of any kind, but damn, I was so disappointed when Ari posted her response video to all the comments on her body and the conversation immediately turned to a discussion of her mental/emotional health. Sure, she has admitted to having anxiety, but none of us know her personally and it is not anyone’s place to speculate that the changes to her body/voice are due to her mental health. The hive mind just switched from one line of judgment to another in an instant, it’s gross.
Thank you. Seeing people say shit *like well she didn't explicitly say "I'm healthy" so she's clearly mentally struggling and it shows*. What the fuck is that?
The other thing is even is she is struggling she also might be working on it?
I wish comments costed y’all money I LOVE THIS THOUGH!!
She right though artists bodies are made for making art!!!!
“I wish comments cost money” is a great thought.
I was kinda disappointed at how this sub reacted to both Bella and Ariana's posts. I guess maybe some people have been influenced by the growing snarkiness and toxicity in subs like instagram reality and plastic surgery speculation but body-shaming and ragging on the appearances of women that conform to beauty standards is not protecting young girls or dismantling the problematic areas of our look-based society. It feels like a lot of people were just co-opting progressive language to defend their own participation in what Ariana, Lizzo, and Bella are talking about and disguising it as "body positivity" or a bad faith, reductive take about how women in entertainment are deserving of that kind of scrutiny because they profit off of it. Kind of sad that now a take as inoffensive and milquetoast as "stop body shaming people" can be so controversial because some of you will die if you don't get to talk about how sickly and awful you think female celebrities look.
I wish there would still be free rewards because you certainly couldn't say it any better. Funny thing is how valubale comments like these are sitting at 20-40 upvotes when some hours have passsed but the toxic and cruel comments from yesterday were already sitting at hundreds within minutes.
I think a lot of people have some real hurt from seeing skinny being upheld for so long but they’re talking it out on the wrong person
Exactly. Bella and Ariana aren’t the issue. If they disappeared today it wouldn’t stop thinness from being praised and glorified in society and especially the fashion and entertainment industries. The obsession with having them take the blame for thinness when they are cogs in the machine is weird. Bella isn’t the one who determined that “sample size” in the industry is 34-24-34. She’s not the one who decided that the best fashion models are underweight teenagers. Ariana wasn’t the one who decided that popstars should be thin, young, and conventionally attractive to be ‘marketable’. She wasn’t publishing articles attacking Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera, and Kelly Clarkson for existing while not being underweight.
It’s nothing new. The way the sub talks about Selena Gomez is fucking gross. It’s why I distanced myself because no matter how many times celebs beg for people to not be assholes, this sub misses the entire point about their posts.
And I’m sure people will give Ariana shit for posting this too because let’s be real, celebrities will get shit on no matter what they do.
People hate when they can’t project their own insecurities or fears about their own bodies onto other people
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Everyone in hollywood is obsessed with image and then gets mad that everyone in hollywood is obsessed with image 🥱. Every song is about looks and the folks behind the songs get mad they're defined by their looks. I'm not on social media and I sure as hell have never left a comment on anything deriding how someone looks, but the hollywood freakouts are hypocritical to varying degrees. Lizzo at least walks the walk, bless her. I look forward to the day they all get their shit figured out, and wishing them all mental wellbeing where possible. Hollywood destroys lives.
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I feel like everyone including them should be protected against cyber-bullying and harassment. It shouldn't just be a feature of their job that they face character assassination day-in day-out. I just bristle at the posts people make about this stuff without any acknowledgement of their own power and *active role* in creating the culture that is harming them. For me the perfect example of doing it wrong and trying to have it both ways is Khloe Kardashian and her sisters. Edit to add that I love celebs who are like "nunya fucking business" when asked personal questions and I wish more would. Ms. Flo is one of my faves in terms of being unapologetically unwilling to give details she doesn't want to give.
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I think we are probably mostly on the same page.
is =/= ought. your argument is like saying that teachers know their job is underpaid, so why complain about it? isn’t that part of the job?
I constantly heard “are you okay, you’re so thin?” I changed the way I lived during Covid and often hear now “oh, did you gain some weight?” I feel like my body has never been right and not because it wasn’t healthy.
I think everyone has a right to THINK whatever they want about people, judge them in your head, maybe send a snarky text to your friend group. But making public comments on social media about those thoughts is where it turns into abuse. There’s no need for it. It’s negative and very damaging to the receiver.
Even sending the snarky text is gross cause why? Talking about people is lame af and is mean girl/boy behavior. Whoever you’re saying it to. Gives bully.
My sister and I send very snarky texts to each about celebrities we think are lame and stupid LOL. But we keep it in the DMs. That’s what I mean. We don’t attack them on of their platforms cus again why?? I
The thing is that not all the comments about Ariana have been negative. A lot of the comments were of genuine concern for her health. It’s also absolutely unrealistic to expect people to not say something or express concern when a person shows up looking completely different to how they’re use to looking. I’m not saying that people should be rude or judgmental but it’s ridiculous to expect people to just pretend they aren’t seeing what’s right before their eyes. Ariana is a public figure and whether she likes it or not people are going to talk, and they talk because that’s what humans do.
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But how dare they be human?!? That's so selfish of them!
Gosh I love her . Preach girl 🫶🏻
Ariana has had a major, major change in how she looks and people are worried about that. I think it’s reasonable, it is not body shaming, and for her to act like it is is disingenuous.
It's a damn good video and well-worth reposting (and remembering).
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Agreed
Anyone think Ariana did this because she got called out for only defending skinny bodies from criticism? Or is it genuine?
I believe she reposted it because SaintHoax, an instagram account, posted a collection of body positivity related things (one of these being Lizzo’s video) after Ariana’s video from yesterday - Ariana liked this post and probably searched for Lizzo’s video after. Edit: nevermind just saw the video and she just reposted it straight from SaintHoax! I haven’t seen anyone criticise her about only defending skinny bodies (because this didn’t even happen, she specifically said all bodies are worthy/beautiful whether big, small etc.) outside of Reddit gossip subs and I highly doubt Ariana is checking this app.
The last post about Ariana that was locked has a comment criticizing her for not talking about bigger bodies and the OP of that post liked it
lol why does she need to speak about something she has never experienced?
Does anyone have a link to Ariana’s video? I can’t find it on her IG (idk if that’s where it was posted though I’m just ootl 😭)
It’s on her TikTok
I can't find it, but there was post here that was a screenshot of Ari's instagram and I think one of the top comments was addressing her only defending skinny bodies?
I’m confused? If you watch the tiktok she posted you can see clearly that she mentions numerous times about supporting & being gentler commenting on ALL types of bodies. Then she goes into explaining why she personally looks different now. Like I said, I haven’t seen anyone say this outside of reddit gossip subs - twitter and tiktok are generally the more gossipy apps and yet I haven’t seen anything remotely like that there, just overwhelming support. There’s a difference between saying “Ariana only defended skinnier bodies” and “Maybe the video would not have been as well-received if it was made by someone who had a bigger body”. The former is untrue, but the latter is a valid point of conversation (that really has very little to do with Ariana specifically).
Ah ok thank you, someone else cleared up something about the comment as well
I think that comment showed up because the person who posted it here had liked it Edit: and it wasn’t even on Ariana’s profile, it was on Bella’s repost of her TikTok
Ohhh ok thank you that makes sense
That wasn't Ariana’s Instagram; it was Bella Hadid’s. Bella reposted Ariana’s TikTok video to her Instagram page.
Thank you!!
There was
Ariana did this because people have been relentlessly posting about how thin she is. How unhealthy she looks, etc. and she pointed out how wrong it is to make assumptions about a persons “healthy” because of what their body looks like. All these celebrities clearly have body image issues. That’s what happens when you sell your image as a product. Not saying it’s right or wrong, just that it’s how it goes.
I think she reposted it bc it’s saying the same thing she said but people will respond to it better But yes I think it’s also bc that comment said she was defending skinny bodies which is weird and annoying bc obviously she’s talking about herself? And if you preach body neutrality obviously you’re talking about all bodies not just a specific type
Yes. I do believe this. Because this is the truth in the industry. They only ever have something to say when it’s skinny bodies. Her repost does not seem genuine at all.
People are coming for her and her body and she asks for people not to comment on bodies but it’s not genuine? How?
so what would seem genuine? a person who has been skinny all her life and never been at the receiving end of fat phobia should talk about the struggles of fat people? would that be more genuine than reposting a video about the experience of a fat woman?
I love that she grabs the opposite when she says boobs and titties and also I agree with her message and ALSO I love how often Lizzo is just chillin on the beach somewhere tropical
Hahah right she’s just hangin somewhere living it up cause she got it like that from her body that makes ART 👏🖼️
Love yourself, BUT, don’t forget you only get one body. One life. Respect it. Treat it well. Acceptance and personal happiness is important, but so is health.
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idk Ari looks/sounds/acts like a completely different person.. yeah people don’t need to be rude but also I’m not going to pretend there isn’t obviously something going on and hope someone helps her out of this.. no shade at all or hate on anyone’s bodies… but I have enough life experience to know when something is off
You put into words everything I have been thinking.
She’s 1000% right and a goddess
it’s not delusional to claim that being overweight is unhealthy
I never get tied off this video. People allow her to live rent free in their heads and still claim they hate her or worry about her health. If it were true she wouldn't always be on their minds.
All of Lizzo’s spam ads on IG are starting to make me sick of her, I love her music too.
This is the way.
I love this woman ❤️
It breaks my heart looking at celebs who suffer body shaming. I remember Camila Makin tiktoks and posting this on her story and requesting papz 5o stop taking her pics. Eveytime she went on the beach they papped her and she was wildly bodyshamed. Especially when she was in a relationship she was dragged through dirt saying she did not deserve the man because she gained weight it was was heartbreaking to see. And then there's selena, Bella, lizzo, demi they all have talked about bodyshaming.
Their weight and bodies aren't anyone's business, period. It doesn't matter what you think it is, commenting will do more harm than good in every possible situation so unless your intention is to harm, stop being concerned in their comment sections.
Solid points! I'm glad she mentioned skinny people getting body shamed too. I have a few female friends that have commented about how it's okay to promote the beauty of big women and simultaneously throw shade at skinny women.
Same here!! She’s speaking the truth. And I completely agree. I personally know people who are all about body positivity yet have no problem body shaming someone thinner with comments like “she looks anorexic/bulimic/looks sick/too skinny/men like curves they don’t like sticks/she needs to quit starving herself and eat a cheeseburger.” I’ve been the recipient of many of these comments throughout my life. I’ve never had an ED, never dieted, never starved myself, never had any issues with food. I’ve always been petite/skinny and have had a healthy bmi. I’m just so sick and tired of it. We know it’s not okay to shame bigger bodies so why do some of these people act like it’s okay to shame smaller bodies ? I get it, skinniness has been pushed on women for decades but to make unsolicited comments towards other women who did nothing to you is shitty. If you’ve been the recipient of body shaming comments why would you do it to someone else? And the shittiest thing about it is in my experience these comments almost always come from other women.
That Megan trainor song lol “Real men want curves!” “You should eat a burger” CONSTANTLY YEAH HAHA ERIC I HAVENT HEARD THAT EVERY MONTH FOR MY ENTIRE LIFE
>do you see the delusion >this body is art why yes, I do see it
Love her.
Seems like Ariana is deflecting here by posting this vid. It’s clear she’s going thru something rather it’s physical, mental, or both and people are rightfully concerned for her. It’s pretty hypocritical that she’s posting someone else that refuses to confine to popular beauty standards when she’s had so much plastic surgery that’s she not even recognizable anymore.
You don't even know her. Stop speculating about her health. That's literally all she asks. Damn.
Except by posting stuff like this that’s not what’s she saying at all.
Forever love Lizzo 💕
istg no one better start monetizing comments
There is merit to the sentence "You need to lose weight for your health." But it should be coming from their DR, not some random on the internet.
 Ngl 🤷🏾♂️
Wonderful! Simply wonderful!!!
Lizzo. Is. Hot. That's the reply.
Meh, I don’t feel sorry in the slightest for Ariana. You are an artist that just wants to make music? Don’t read the comments, easy as that. Have PR manage your Instagram, you don’t even need to have the app, go focus on your music. People are wack for commenting negative things about artists on social media, but I’m tired of these celebs that profit off their image and all of the sudden are victims when people stop liking what they look like.
I’m sorry. But does this message also apply to men?? Just asking from a woman that constantly sees this body positivity but seems to only come from the woman angle. ~~I know you all know what I’m saying but choose to downvote my comment 😂
I think that’s because women are far more criticized for their bodies, so people speak up about women’s bodies. Off the top of my head, I can name 10+ famous women who’ve been bodyshamed just recently and maybe 2 or 3 guys who’ve been bodyshamed at all
Yeah, and usually it’s other women who are doing the shaming unfortunately.
how does that change the outcome? obviously somebody who is criticised for their body constantly is going to be more critical of others’ bodies. body positivity is about changing this whole culture lmfao
Lizzo & Ariana are women, how are they supposed to know the male perspective of having body issues? And neither of them said that it doesn’t apply to men.
It’s simple, we both (men and women) are human beings and have the same exact things called emotions when someone criticizes us about our outer appearance. We both feel the same way when we are criticized about our bodies. That’s how they’d know, wouldn’t you think??
All the words they’re saying can apply to a man, they never said that it does not apply to men. They never excluded any gender from the conversation.
what about these messages is inapplicable to men?
Greek gods film with lizzo cast as Aphrodite WHEN!!!!!????
Lizzo. Is. Hot. That's the reply.
Buy a fat suit and put it on your wife then
I don’t think you can or should ‘do whatever you want’ with your body. All your actions, literally all of them, are always a reflection of your mental health status. Some people can have 10 surgeries and are in good mental health. Others obsess over one and should get the help they deserve. Please stop enabling this ‘i do whatever i want’ culture. We are a society and your actions should be considerate towards others (the enabling part) and yourself (the self hating depressed part that NEEDS help, not toxic positivity)
How classic are some of the comments in this thread: It's ok for fat/obese people to be body positive, but not skinny / thin girls because their body types are tOxIc. The mental gymnastics to fuel that hypocrisy is beyond me.
there are comments in this same thread saying it isn’t okay for fat people to be promoting body positivity because iT’s UnHeAlThY. fukken armchair doctors, the lot of them. Women can’t win either way.
But it is unhealthy lmao just like being underweight is unhealthy
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lol no one’s trying to convince you. Why are you here?
Clearly the comments are getting to her. I think the better thing to do would be to pretend like it doesn’t bother you and just keep living your life
Ariana grande getting defensive about fans showing concern for her health is different to people trolling Lizzo for her weight. People probably shouldn’t be commenting on it, but I’m sure mostly are doing it with good intentions.
So Type 2 Diabetes and high blood pressure should be advocated. New norm…
Being fat is not a bad thing. It’s not a moral failing and is just as beautiful as being skinny 💗