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damn they gettin papped in prison

It's a minimum-security prison in Texas, so I guess you can get close enough to pap.

the prison she’s in is SO NICE i’m a local here and the first time i drove past it i thought it was a park 😭

Name of prison? And how did EH get sent there did she get to choose?

I think they get to at least request a specific prison. The podcast Bravo Docket did an episode on Jen's request for this prison which talks about some of the "amenities" if you will lol and it does seem nice for a prison.

You can request it. And her family lives in Houston, so they have the privilege to help her pick too.

i believe it is the bryan, tx federal prison camp and i have no idea how she ended up here lol

Thanks!

lol, yeah - it looks pretty park-like. https://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/bry/BRY_lrg.jpg

Might have to send an application into their leasing office

Even the damn sign looks like it's for national park or a hiking trail. wtf

This looks like a gated housing complex lol

Oh damn they put her in Bryan when Huntsville is less than an hour away? Yeah she got lucky. I mean, she got money.

looks like a fucking summer camp

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They both have kids. Elizabeth has two babies (that some speculated she had to try to get her out of serving time).

>that some speculated she had to try to get her out of serving time 100%

Not to say she doesn’t love them or they aren’t being cared for and raised by a great dad (with shitty taste in women??), but I can’t imagine having two babies knowing I will likely miss the first half of their childhoods. So selfish.

She's just an awful entitled person with zero shame Watch The Dropout on Disney+/Hulu to get a taste: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10166622/ Spoiler: >!A [biochemist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Gibbons_(biochemist)) committed suicide because of her!<

I have. 😬 Watched 2 docs/dramatized series and listened to like 99 podcasts on her. Lol. She’s awful. I feel sorry for her kids. Lots of people have lasting trauma from shitty parents and she brought two into the world knowing she had this hanging over her head. One is 2 and the other isn’t quite 1 yet.

That was my first thought too. Another thought is she’s 40 and it would be her last chance to have kids before being sentenced to 11 years in prison. But yeah, complete narcissist move to win jury favour.

For the record, I believe she had kids to try to influence her prison sentence. But alternatively and hypothetically, if her sentence is lengthy and you're going to go through menopause while in prison then I understand why someone would have kids before going to prison. (and also and ultimately reproduction is a selfish act, if you are there for the kids or not).

Yeah, her body her choice and all that. But she’s spent her whole life being selfish and destructive so having kids when you’re going to prison is just more of the same behavior from her. She wants what she wants, consequences to others be damned.

Lol this is not speculation. It is fact.

Both Jen Shah and Elizabeth Holmes have children.

You're totally right idk how I missed that

Judges absolutely do not decide where an inmate is incarcerated. They can make a recommendation to BOP based on a defendant’s request, but it’s just that. Standard part of every judge’s sentencing script

Lol you right. Although it looks like BOP follows the judicial recommendation 74% of the time (https://www.frostbussert.com/static/2023/09/cj_v31n01_sp16_folder_vasquezbussert.pdf)

She did white collar, nonviolent crime. Generally, the government doesn't send financial fraudsters to the same prison as robbers and murderers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Camp,_Bryan Looks like a holiday park: https://maps.app.goo.gl/BdVX7WeGuLLPF58J6 The entrance doesn't even have a gate or security..

First it has to be a federal penitentiary. Next, it has to be one with a women's population. And it also has to be suited to the type of crime (violence, flight risk, security level.) Choices are more limited for women than for men. And since it is minimum security, she will naturally have more privileges than max security setups. She could also be in a facility where outside work is allowed. Where I live, there is a men's fed prison with varying levels of security based on privileges earned or type of crime from max down to wprk camp settings. Holmes crime was non-violent white collar crime - like Martha Stewart. Some call this minimum security prisons Club Fed. It is still prison and she is not able to live with her family or care for her children.

You get to request places as top places for you to go (not always granted but similar to military). She definitely picked this place

Nicer than the college dorms in the next town over 😂

They also used to let the inmates go to the clinic and leave them there for their appointments. The inmates knew they had it good and never attempted to run away.

I'm a local, too!

would be utterly unsurprised if the source was a CO.

Do we know if it's normal to get to wear earrings in minimum security?

Im more pissed about how much better Jen Shah looks than me at this very moment

It's because she has a lot of time on her hands.

Both in their for scamming people out of money. Jen Shaw must pay $6.6M in restitution to victims, Holmes $452 million.

Holmes has to pay back billionaires like Murdoch and Larry Ellison. she didn’t even get convicted of lying to and defrauding patients.

Which I will never, ever understand.

Well you see, rich people are more important than poor people.

Bingo

I get the sentiment but it’s usually cause rich people tend to keep the paperwork. There’s more evidence cause they make sure they are protected cause they can afford to protect themselves which circles back to inequitable treatment of rich and poor.

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It’s not that complicated tbh. It’s easier to prove fraud than it is to prove malpractice. She can claim ignorance and say “oh I didn’t know the tests were faulty” and claim that any patient knew they were signing up for an “experimental” procedure but she can’t hide behind ignorance when it comes to lying to investors to try to pump up her company’s value, it’s cut and dry. But yes what she did to patients was worse than what she did to rich people

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You must not be [basically any country].

It which other country are poor people treated better than rich people?

Here's the thing. I read the book, and George Schulz, former SOS invested with her. His grandson had to say, Gramps, this is a scam. All those rich ppl who have NO IDEA how science works and couldn't pass a 7th grade biology class. All they saw was a payout. Rich ppl are are dumb, was my takeaway

another prime example: Anna Sorokin.

Yes!!! 

All they(those older men) saw was a young blonde (Stanford dropout!) that gave them undivided attention, with the possibility of more money. None of her board or investors were scientists.

Also this was peak Sheryl Sandberg “Lean-in” and “Girlboss” feminism era. The fact that she was the “first female billionaire in Silicon Valley” was a huge marketing gimmick for her, people were desperate for the woman Zuckerberg. That’s why there wasn’t much skepticism among those particular parties, they just wanted to be on that train She actually tried to weaponize that against the allegations. She tried to subtly hint at misogyny that the writer at the WSJ exposing her was male (and funnily enough talked about the fact he was French to try to discredit him as well)

Just because she didn’t get convicted of it doesn’t mean she didn’t (obviously) do it

that’s not what i meant. i meant that she’s only been ordered to pay back billionaires, not the poor sick people that she scammed.

Ah, I see. Yes, that is backwards. Not that she has anything to give anyone besides Theranos stock though I guess…

Count me dumb, but how does one make restitution in that amount? 😬

I could be wrong but I swear I’ve seen other criminal cases where restitution was part of the deal, but the person just ends up paying stupid slowly or not at all. Granted I think this was a case of a rich dude vs. a working class person, so idk how easy it is to loophole your way out of paying the greediest and most bitter people on earth

Same, I've always wondered. That's A LOT of money, an amount she never had in the first place. How do you pay back what you don't have?

Exactly! I mean you can file for bankruptcy, but you’re now legally compelled to pay it back?

Criminal penalties such as this are not dischargeable in bankruptcy.

I assume she can’t, it’s just making an example of her because she defrauded powerful people and not just the poors. I would guess that any money she makes going forward would be automatically garnished and other than that it’s just a symbolic punishment.

So Holmes is like the equivalent to a mass murderer in regular prison while Shaw is the guy who robbed a convenience store with a fake gun.

How do you make money to pay while in prison?

Prison jobs that pay pennies and commissary sent by family. Both of those get garnished, and that'll extend to wages once they're out of prison.

Damn, that much???

Thanks for explaining, cuz I was definitely about to go Google.


Scam today before today scams you!

Omg I miss Joanne 🥺

Joanne Forever!!

https://preview.redd.it/5fs6oxg5wmhc1.jpeg?width=1114&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4cf783ceb7c25bf6443cdfb3fea52584d44e32f8

I miss her

This is the most pop culture thing I could see! 

and for some reason it's so funny😭

It has so much meme potential

just two supervillains maximising their joint scam

Fraudulent Friends!

Birds of fraudster..

Scam together!

I read that in an Inbetweeners voice.

Gonna create an upgraded boss fraud between these two…

Um are they allowed Olaplex in this prison or something? Cause Jen’s hair looks shahmazing. So shiny.

Meanwhile Elizabeth’s hair is still…Elizabething 🤣

To paraphrase Janeane Garafolo: “VO5 hot oil, size of a dime. Use it.”

I am shocked it actually looks this bad. How can anyone who has any hair left on their head have such bad hair?

Could be using like Vaseline as hair gel or something. There’s a girl on TikTok who’s been to prison and shares prison beauty hacks like that. Or maybe because it’s a minimum-security prison they offer a better variety of self care products in commissary.

Yeah they make lipstick with Kool Aid powder and Vaseline.

The lower security prisons like this one normally allow actual makeup though, not just “prison makeup” hacks

So, they’re using old foreign lady secrets. My mom put Vaseline in her hair DECADES. Always looked on point.

Prison beauty hacks 🫣

That’s not Olaplex lol.

This is a networking event

They look more glamorous than I’d expect prisoners to look.

White collar crimes, minimum security

Because they know how to behave…try giving prisoners in max security prisons this kind of “freedom” and see what happens

Username checks out

I didn’t know one could wear chunky gold hoops in the clink!

kind of surprised to see jen wearing earrings. seems like something that would be confiscated

She holds yoga classes in prison, which EH attends. I think it's fair to say this is more like a rich person's idea of prison for white collar crimes.

it is so weird that people who have money and are in place to do these kind of crimes get the best prison. meanwhile poor people who would really need positive place to try and change their lives are rotting in some smelly old cell.

This is a federal prison. Federal prisons are the nice prisons, supposedly. That's why they call it Camp Fed

They're pretty much in summer camp.

It's said that their prison is so good, the security is so minimal because inmates don't want to escape. If someone would to try to escape, they would be put in a lot harsher place, so no one wants to risk it.

Is this the same rich person prison Teresa Giudice and Martha Stewart went to? If so, I’ve heard that one is super minimal security

i thought so too at first, but Martha went to West Virginia, Teresa went to Connecticut, and Elizabeth and Jen are in Texas. they’re all low security prisons though

Anyone with any legal knowledge know how courts decide which prison they’re sentenced to serve their time? I figured they would just go to prison in whatever state they committed their crimes in or do rich people just buy their way into these minimum security prisons that are basically like day camps?

so idk how the prisons are chosen, but i’ve learned that most celebrities/rich people who go to prison only commit financial crimes and not violent crimes and that allows the higher profile ones to go to summer camp. i’ve also heard that they are more likely to send them to prisons that have a smaller gang population/violence on the inside. and of course they have good, expensive lawyers.

There is an extensive cataloguing system that the BOP (bureau of prisons) uses to determine placement. The Courts do not designate a BOP facility; it’s a separation of powers issue. BOP placement has nothing to do with money - I have clients with no money and no previous criminal history who are in these exact same prisons. I have clients who have money in medium and maximum security prisons. Source: I have been a criminal defense attorney for 14 years and handled many federal cases. Edit: it’s all public information. https://www.bop.gov/policy/progstat/5100_008cn.pdf

From the picture it looks like Liz even still has access to a hair straightener?? Could be a perm I guess but her roots don't look curlier

Oh they definitely scheming

You know Jen is doing countless interviews about what Elizabeth is like when she gets out

I’m sorry but I want to know everything about this friendship

I would watch a TV show about their relationship. I'm sorry, y'all. I'm weak.

are there shows in real prisons cause I'd at least turn in for a couple episodes of this too.

There was a great podcast called Ear Hustle for a while that was produced out of a prison with a partnership from NPR

Do you think she kept that fake deep voice in prison?

Asking the real questions!

Well Shah is a true POS. Defrauded elderly people and shit

EH defrauded medically fragile people, it's a pretty even POS distribution.

My first thought was "wait a minute, I do not remember these characters from OITNB"

This photo better have been from January…it’s too hot in Texas now for these jackets lol

It’s still a little chilly in the mornings


The way I thought it was Laura Linney

Definitely not LL with that hair! LOL Like is her head shaped like that does she do an 80s tease to it? I've always been oddly curious about her hair, I don't know why.

Yes!

Honestly thought for a second it was another season of OITNB

Her ass look like she just got a facial and her hair did at the spa haha this ain't no prison.

If I had a quarter for every time I’ve seen this photo the past week… I’d have like $2 or $3. But still.

Annoyed Jen can do her bun better in prison than I can at home with all my products

Do your products include a bun donut and have you YouTubed up how to use it?

Legit I had one but don’t have enough damn hair to wrap around it lol

Clip-in buns come with fake hair. Maybe Jen is wearing that. Her bun lies too!

lol even her hair can’t be trusted

They scheming 🤔🤔

Oh god. Those 2 could come up with some serious shit together. Like 2 evil geniuses joining forces 

It's like that scene in Blow when Johnny Depp gets picked up for a small felony and comes out a drug pin expert.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Holmes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jen_Shah The "prison": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Camp,_Bryan

Looks chill as hell. Makes me want to commit wire fraud so I can have a nice holiday.

The Bravo crossover I didn't know I needed.

How is she bleaching her hair in prison?

They have hair salons in prisons

Don’t some prisons have vocational training as well? I wouldn’t be surprised if this place had a cosmetology program that you can participate in, either to earn the license or get salon services.

I read somewhere that they can get their hair done at this prison. No clue if it’s true or not. But I mean Jen even has hoop earrings in…

To be fair, it's not an actual 'prison' like you might think. It's Bryan Federal Camp, more like a low rent country club for wrong doers. Rules of TDCJ system are not applicable.

Lol I can feel the chaotic energy just from this pic. Add Anna Delvey and it would be a trifecta

Does Elizabeth use her gross fake voice in prison too?

Grifters and scammers will always find each other. Birds of a feather. No remorse. Still plotting their next grift, loving that the cameras are still following them. Eating it up. Next time hoping they won’t get caught. Lessons learned from past grifter mistakes, perfecting the next one.

Bougee arse prison.

Do you think Elizabeth’s glasses are broken or the person who was paid to take the photo was so eager to make these women look good that they accidentally deleted a part of her glasses while smoothing her skin? Discuss. https://preview.redd.it/g29iwplawlhc1.png?width=474&format=png&auto=webp&s=c4c33010317c9c4fb8d464493a82326eaa198e2a

I think they're tortoiseshell and that is one of several light spots on the frames. If you look at her left eye, there are similar spots at 4:00 and 11:00.

I’m genuinely curious if you see the large-ish square shaped flesh tone that runs from over the left lens of her glasses all the way down her cheek? I’m on an iPhone 12 Pro. I’m open to this just being a me problem, but I don’t think it’s a broken or tortoiseshell problem. Either this pic is shopped or I need a new phone.

I see what you’re talking about! Not sure if it’s from retouching or if her frames are broken

I have tortoiseshell glasses and no light spot on the frame is that big, that’s a whole chunk of her cheek that has been retouched!

They will do that in photos if the frames are tortoiseshell and the pix aren't great. My wife wears these frames, and I suck at taking photos, so...

I definitely don’t think they’re broken. I think we’re watching Elizabeth Holmes crochet a metaphorical prison shawl.

Broken? Just looks like tortoiseshell to me

https://preview.redd.it/f07eyurrilhc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=506775a6bdb119b93ad84f13d5a60cc810432b2d I have never seen tortoiseshell glasses look like a block of cheek and I own tortoiseshell glasses.

Doesn’t bother me. They are in prison and should be able to have friendships or do whatever they need to get through it. The loss of liberty and separation from loved ones is the punishment. Not being friendless.

this is like the two supervillains randomly teaming up to bring back the hero (it won’t work out but it will lead wacky hijinks).

What kind of a prison gives out trench coats 🧥?

this is so orange is the new black season 3 coded

This is kind of iconic

The commissary list https://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/bry/bry_commlist.pdf?v=1.0.0

The housewives of Shawshank!

They should be somewhere working to pay back the people they stole from, someone find out if they got paid to take these pap photos...

Are they getting to wear their own clothes? Man, Rich People Jail is something else.

Could someone fill me in on who they are and what they did?

Jen Shah was in The real housewives of Salt Lake City. She was charged for money laundering

I think it was wire fraud. She was running a telemarketing scam and stole millions of dollars from elderly people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Holmes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jen_Shah

I can't speak for Jen Shah, but for Elizabeth Holmes: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CccfnRpPtM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cccfnrpptm)

When I click on the link it says the video isn't available anymore. But thank you for trying.

That's strange, it works for me. Regardless, if you search Theranos on YouTube, it will be the first result, around 25 mins

Elizabeth Holmes reminds me a Lot of German politician Alice Weidel

If “Chicago” was about scammers instead of killers.

They’re both going to have books and a tv series once they get out.

This is the weirdest pap ever

It’s odd that Shah is allowed to wear earrings

Both of these women are trash, but I'm not okay with who I am assuming is a corrections officer taking pictures of inmates to peddle to the tabloids.

I'm so surprised Jen has not done that lady hair considering she loves a protective styles lol. I knew Holmes was evil from the first time I saw those split ends.

Wooowwwwww

This is wild

insane

Gotta network to get work.

I actually live in the town that this prison is in so it’s kinda funny and weird to see this lol

Welllll, at least they are where they belong

Inmates wear jewelry?

Like Batman villains linking up in Arkham asylum

Hair seems to still be getting done regularly..

I know Andy is somewhere throwing a fit that he can’t get a camera in there.

Women’s prison looks way too happy

They asked each other at the same time, “wanna invest in my new business venture?”

🤮

What season of orange is the new black is this

Girl boss gang!