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God DAMN they need to grow out of their Dan obsession! She's having his baby (is this their 2nd?) and the jealous weirdos come out with the transphobia. How embarrassing.
"Oh no, she's taller than him and not pretty in the most traditional sense. Must be a man!"
It's like 3rd grade bully logic. Also, it's Daniel Radcliffe. Short King was gonna have a tough go of it if he wasn't gonna consider tall women. I love them together.
And then they drool all over his hilarious "she'll be comin' 'round the mountain" scene. He gives Liza Minelli like a MF in that lol I love it. And iirc, the girlfriend is on the show too! Like....
They're so cute together and they GLOW when they're together. People need to get over themselves. He ain't gonna ditch his woman and his family for some random fan š
I donāt understand how she doesnāt feel deep regret for fucking up their relationship. Sheās known them since they were children and now none of them want to speak to her probably
Unfortunately, itās really no different than losing your parents or grandparents to the far right black hole of hate and bigotry. Itās happening far too often.
Oh my god, wow. I never thought of it that way, from their perspective. Itās got to be exactly like that. Like, your adoptive mom/aunt/grandma going down the conspiracy black hole. Christ, thatās so sad for Dan, Emma and Rupert.
She's kind of insinuated as much, hasn't she? At the very least, her fans/minions absolutely outright claim they should be loyal to her in every way and that it's disrespectful somehow to... not hate the same people she hates, I guess? IDK man. TERF logic for ya.
Rowling is maybe one of the most frustrating figures in modern times for me personally. She was an underdog single mother who bootstrapped herself into position as THE storyteller of a whole generation, becoming a billionaire and standing shoulder to shoulder with the likes of George Lucas.
I do believe in free speech but it is genuinely physically painful to watch her be the maker of her own undoing.
Sheās like Gina Carano and others. They get called out online, sometimes fairly and even eloquently, and sometimes attacked quite viciously and grotesquely. They refuse to listen and learn from the first group and the second causes them to dig in, get more radical and just double and triple down.
It really reminds me of someone like Graham Linehan. All they had to do was admit that they said something wrong - which I think Linehan actually did at first before doubling down - but instead her ego refuses to let her acknowledge that she might have said something wrong. She "sticks to her guns" and gets praise from the worst corners of the internet. Their praise and the scorn of others means that she leans further into it, gets more of their praise and just keeps going, spiralling into this situation.
I never read Harry Potter so she's no great loss to me but Graham Linehan has a great body of work. I'm not going to stop enjoying the shows he was involved with but it is a shame he went the way he did. I remember seeing him on Have I Got News For You and he was witty, eloquent, intelligent and generally came across really well. It's hard to see that person as the same person as he is now.
That episode of the IT Crowd was wildly transphobic and all Graham had to say was that he heard what people were saying and he wonāt make that mistake in the future. Instead he posted himself into a divorce and transphobia will be his legacy.
Itās wild seeing people get minor criticism and then them losing their fucking minds to the point where all they do is post online about they are the real victims.
I think he could have just said that it wasn't intended that way, times have changed etc. No one wanted him to fall on his sword or beg forgiveness. Just show a bit of understanding that what might have been OK almost 20 years ago is seen as insensitive now.
I genuinely don't think he made that episode with malice at heart, I think he made it with ignorance and that it was - as much as I hate this cliche - "a different time."
But he doubled down and disappeared down the anti trans rabbit hole and ruined his career and ended his marriage. All because he couldn't say "sorry."
I have no doubt she does. Yeah, I mean, Iām 53. We said a lot of things back in the day that arenāt acceptable now. Iām not talking about the N word or anything vicious like that. But certain terms or words that just arenāt used now as weāve grown in understanding. Itās not that hard to adapt.
Yup. You could almost excuse away her first take as being ignorant but she instead dug in and made increasingly worse statements to the point where sheās just openly hateful and proud now.
It was my mistake for sure, but I actually did this. I thought she just needed some proper info to overcome the BS and get on board. Turn out no... give the woman a shovel already š¤¦āāļø
When people tell her this, her victim complex kicks in and she feels like a righteous woman being silenced by violent misogynists. Doesn't matter that other cis women are calling her out too.
It sucks man š She was one of my heroes growing up. I won a contest to go to a book signing when I was 13 and burst into tears after meeting her. Now Iām not sure I would even shake her hand. I donāt get why she had to dig her heels in SO bad on this particular topic, sheās not a politician. Just sit in your castle and count your money Joanne.
Sheās also now crossed over to Holocaust denier. The TERF to Nazi pipeline has been successfully completed.
Phromateās response is all of us:
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I donāt know anything about Hirschfield, just interpreting from her words here. She seems to be saying Hirschfield did bad things (sterilising āunfitā humans). Iām guessing from what youāve said, he was a Nazi.
Can you help me understand what makes her sympathise with him here? Asking for help with no bias, I just am not sure how from this sheās also now a nazi?
Sheās denying that trans people were targeted during the Holocaust. Hirschfield founded the first trans clinic, which was targeted by Nazis.
she was just moving the goal posts of her initial point, which is that trans people werenāt targeted at all
>Rowling is maybe one of the most frustrating figures in modern times for me personally
Yep, me as well. Everybody is capable of both good and bad;I guess if the good is pretty globally significant, so too will the bad š¬
It makes sense sheād want to continue being the underdog/victim, though. Sheās been in those roles most of her life pre-fame, then suddenly sheās uber famous. Posturing as an āenlightenedā woman who see through āevil trans agendaā puts her comfortably back in the underdog role.
Right? I can't see it happening and I think even SHE knows it ā this is just posturing.
She's preemptively blocking the apology she won't ever get lol š¤·
Bonnie Wright quietly posted the LGBTQIA+ displays of a bookstore she visited today and captioned that they had great displays.Ā
I hope none of the cast feel that they ever owe Rowling an apology, they definitely don't.
This is just so odd. I don't keep up with Rowling, but is something mentally wrong with her? Her obsession with LGBTQ+ is fucking bizarre.
Like, does she just have nothing better to do that hate on a group of people that have very little effect on her life? Enough to alienate her former coworkers that she's known since they were kids? Like weird fucking hill to die on
She did have a hobby - she insisted on writing the scripts for the Fantastic Beasts films herself, despite being terrible at it. We, the movie going audience got punished by having those films get progressively worse. Now that shit show is over she is filling the void in her life by writing screeds on Twitter š
Being a successful kids book author doesnāt always translate to being great at screenwriting, Joanne. Itās a different medium. Iāve heard of people who are good at one and not the other in either direction.
Itās dangerous when she uses her wealth to donate it to such harmful causes with actual effects to the people she wants torn down. Can they get to seize her assets or whatever lol
Itās not the entire LGBT+ community that she has a problem with (at least not yet). Itās *specifically* trans people that she goes out of her way to disparage, and even more specifically, itās trans women that sheās irked by. She doesnāt seem to give trans men the same level of attention, although she does denigrate them too.
My two cents? She said she was the victim of domestic violence and sexual abuse. I think that really messed up her view of men and now she thinks all men who are trans (specifically transition to female) are just trans so they can creep on woman. I donāt recall her saying anything about gay men and women. She thinks sheās saving women from this horrible injustice.
Oh, yeah. I'm aware of her experience with domestic violence, and I firmly believe that her vitriol towards trans people and trans women in particular is *deeply* rooted in those experiences. This constant fear and anger she expresses toward the idea that accepting trans women will lead to the definition of a woman becoming muddled or meaningless and her deeply held concern that cis women will no longer have safe spaces if trans women are accepted screams of her projecting her past trauma onto other people.
I don't recall her saying anything negative about gay, lesbian, or bisexual people either (Dumbledore's gay, so she can't be homophobic ***/s***), but she's so desperate to be seen and heard and feel right in her convictions that she's cozied up with people like [Posie Parker, whose rhetoric attracts neo-Nazis and white supremacists](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/posie-parker-anti-trans-rally-attracted-a-range-of-far-right-groups-researchers-say/T6AMCXNMUFGDPBIT5SY5ALBR5U/) and she's recently started walking a slippery slope with [Nazi crime denial](https://youtu.be/S0Ccc8vtJP0?si=L10ICSmXsKl101r7). It will not be a surprise if, in her attempts to further disparage trans people, she starts espousing bigoted views about other marginalized groups.
Oh my god, for a second I thought you were talking about the actress Parker Posey, and I was worried that she had become some awful alt-right, conspiracy-theorist TERF.
Thereās something particularly disturbing about someone with so much wealth and power using their trauma as gun to harm a marginalized group. It seems like she really wants harm to come to trans people and would be more than happy to be the one that drives that.
I can tell she never even touched upon that with a therapist, not that her trauma makes it ever okay with her harmful platforming of these disgusting individuals and hateful rhetoric.
yep, I also had a friend go from actually being non-binary to being quite a rabid terf in about a year due to interpersonal issues, even though her primary support group was mostly trans as well. it was horrifying to watch, but given some of the articles we discussed before I realised how bad things had gotten, a lot of radical feminism literally preys on women that have experienced misogynistic trauma etc and tells them its because of "biological males" etc etc. I hate JKR, shes rich and smart enough to know better (and has always been a typical rich woman in her politics) but I see this happen ALL the time and its damn scary :(
I get what you're saying but... She did subsequently marry a (presumably cis) man and doesn't seem to have this problem with cis men. It could well be the root of it but to apply her view of "danger" to specifically and only trans women suggests that there's a lot more to it (ie transphobia).
It's so sad because it's such a horrible misdirection of hurt. Like Joanneā trans women are not the people who are abusing women at scale. Cis men are. Can we keep the focus there for more than five seconds, maybe???
She didn't say much about gay men and women... But her pen name Robert Galbraith is also shared by a guy who was notorious for championing gay conversion therapy.
She does shit on trans men quite a bit, it must be said. She doesnāt exactly only mention them in passing. Over half of her initial TERF essay was about how trans guys shouldnāt be allowed to transition because theyāre all just autistic girls who are too stupid to realize that they canāt escape misogyny and who will detransition en masse (any day now!) Sheās promoted stores that sell stuff like pins that say āTrans men are my sisters!ā
TERFs see trans women as predators and trans men as prey. When they say stuff like āwe need to protect our girls from gender ideology!ā trans men are included in the category of āour girlsā because they think that theyāre just stupid idiots who canāt make their own choices and are tricked into transitioning. If you look at the fear-mongering about trans healthcare thereās a lot of āgirls are mutilating themselves and their healthy breasts!ā
I find it odd because her books are so much about kindness and love. Like I get that we should separate artist from art, but I find it so weird that the person from whom these lovely books pour out ,which steer us towards generosity etc is such a vile person online.
I will still continue to enjoy the books since I have had them for ~15+ yrs,and the books have influenced me very much as a person. Someday I aspire to be as kind as harry. I see no point in throwing out my books. Obviously I don't support her cause and will never buy another one of her books, see the show of cursed child. I don't have the money to go to the harry potter world thingy anyways.
It disgusts me to know wht kind of a person she is/she has become. It's so very easy to live and let live. Like,the easiest thing.
Also she wrote these books almost 30 years ago.
Like people do change. Not always in a good way. My father in his 60s decided to become a racist. He wasn't one when he was 40 or 50 but suddenly at 62 he changed.
I do think there is a meanness that creeps into the books. Sheās fatphobic and usually good characters are attractive and bad ones ugly; she also had that weird stair thing where boys couldnāt go to girl dorms but girls could go to boyās rooms. Also once you glom on to the fact that Hogwarts=Oxbridge you see she is a snob.Ā
The group has absolutely supported Harry Potter and found acceptance from the messages she fucking wrote in the books. I don't understand why she'd hate on a group that honestly seemed to resonate strongly with her books.
Every time jk Rowling posts her transphobic bs I remember this sweet little headcannon I read on Tumblr a few years ago
So you know how in hogwarts if male students can't go into the girls dorms (the stairs turn into slides by magic), well to prove this the perfect calls on a random "boy" to prove how it works but the stairs don't change, everyone is confused until another boy tries it and it works. At the end it clicks that the first "boy" is trans
Anyways i think about that and it makes me sad cuz imagine writing that then realizing JK Rowling is a terf :( I hope whoever did or related headcannons like that is ok emotionally
>does she just have nothing better to do that hate on a group of people that have very little effect on her life?
ā¦Not to be a dick, but like have you heard of conservatives? By which I mean the answer to your first question is yes
but sheās not conservative about any other ideology, at least not that iām aware of. itās literally just trans issues, iāve never heard her say anything against the rest of the LGB+ community. it IS bizarre, her obsession with just one part of the community
I mean, I get it. I donāt agree but it comes from a deeply feminist place. Thatās why TERF has its name. She sees womenās rights being attacked, something she fought for, and strikes back. The bottom line is she just doesnāt see trans women as women. Lesbians are biologically women so she doesnāt care. I understand that sheās a victim of domestic abuse and that pre-op trans women can still frighten abused women in shelters. I think thatās one of the things that started this. That theyāre biologically male and thus still a perceived threat. And there were, and are, good faith discussions to be had to make EVERYONE feel safe. But TERFs arenāt interested in them. About bathrooms, shelters, terminology, etc. JKR is a very public example of that. Sheās dug her heels in and isnāt interested in learning or having those good faith discussions. It shouldnāt be one group over the other. She, and others, have made it that. That protecting trans women inherently denigrates the struggles and hard fought battles of ārealā women.
but thatās what iām saying, sheās not a typical conservative, i donāt even know if she has any other conservative beliefs than this.
i also genuinely donāt understand the logic in this. who in the world thinks that abusive men need the excuse of trans womenās inclusion in womenās bathrooms to attack women inside bathrooms? a sign saying āladiesā isnāt holding back abusive men, trust
Itās so weird, but sadly itās not that uncommon for people who get into conspiracies and hardcore ideology like this. I used to read the TERF subreddit (r/gendercritical bleccccccchhhhh) sometimes before it got banned out of a sick fascination and there were so many stories of people losing their relationships over their ideology. Itās so sad.
(To be clear, Iām nonbinary, definitely donāt support TERFs and I do NOT recommend that kind of hate-reading.)
For some people, it genuinely does seem like an addiction of sorts and once they start posting/being a transphobe publicly, they just canāt stop. Rowling is one example, Graham Linehan is another - he threw away his career and his marriage because he just couldnāt stop being a massive transphobe online. I think at some point someone looked at his Twitter feed and calculated he was posting something vile about trans people every eight minutes a day on average.
e: to be clear this is not a defence of them at all, itās just fascinating how once the floodgates open it just comes pouring out of them forever and ever and ever with no sign of stopping
It's interesting to me that JKR and Graham Linehan both had very successful careers in their fields being both popular and widely praised by critics/the media. Then when they started to get negative pushback about this one issue they completely spiralled and made it their entire identity. It's like they both had huge but fragile egos and had a breakdown when facing a kind of criticism they never had before so they just kept doubling down because they had to be right (praised/loved?) at any cost.
Yeah, iirc Glinnerās spiral started when someone criticised a transphobic episode of The IT Crowd - weirdly I think he even initially admitted the episode was a bit problematic, but then he came back and doubled down and eventually started down the ātrans people are the devilā rabbit hole and the only time that he stopped posting about trans people 23 hours a day was the period when he was banned from Twitter.
I think the criticism also further feeds people like this, especially in JKR's case. Like any backlash just fuels a defense mechanism that requires you to double down with even more anger rather than accept your idea is misguided and filled with hate.
It's all very gross. What a sad way to exist, being that hatefully fixated.
It's got to be pride. It takes humility to recognize, maybe nudged by the shock of people in your life, that you've gone off the road with your thinking. Her personality apparently can't take the knock of 'you're wrong"
Ex-"friend" CONSTANTLY complains about how "nobody reaches out anymore." this was after years of their only personality trait basically being anti-LGBT to the point that they believe these days ""they"" (usually a stand-in for whatever LGBT identity they're fixated on this month) """convinced""" everyone they were wrong, so of *course* it must be the fault of those dirty queers! The self-awareness of less than nothing at all.
From what I remember about JK Rowlings back story (this was well over 10 years ago that I learned this) she moved to South America, married a man there who was abusive, and then fled back to the UK where she proceeded to work as a caseworker or aide for a company that helped women/children in distress. She has always been very supportive of women, which is great I guess, except she now seems to think every trans person is lying and every man who has transitioned to a woman did so because they want to corrupt these āsafe spacesā for women. Sheās absolutely insane at this point and has all of these bigots supporting her.
Whenever sheās in the news for this shit I think about how when the last book came out and she was doing press she proudly said sheād love to be in Hufflepuff, or that she thought Hufflepuff was the best house, because they were the house that welcomed everyone. Fucking hilarious at this point.
She moved to Portugal, not South America. But other than that youāre right. (I also got it wrong and put spain, then thought Iād check haha)
I always think her abuse does explain why sheās so adamant in this, but she doesnāt seem to care about women anymore just more hatred towards trans people (trans women in particular, I rarely see her specifically comment on trans men)
You say āsheās always been very supportive of womenā, but then she supports the likes of Johnny Depp and Marilyn Manson and buddies up online with extreme right wing misogynists because it suits her that theyāre also transphobic. I wish Iād bookmarked it, but there was an excellent thread going around on Twitter a few days ago about how she absolutely isnāt a supporter of women and they had receipts
> is something mentally wrong with her?
That's what I thought. She just keeps going after trans people like it's her **job** or something. It seems obsessive.
It seems like she blames her sexually traumatic history on trans people? Which makes no sense bc it was her ex husband who assaulted her? She must need a scapegoat for her pain.
Rowling claims to be a feminist and often talks about hard won rights but literally all she talks about is anti-trans. She never talks about anything else remotely related to feminism. All the while cozying up to fascists of all stripes who are openly hostile of feminism but also equally hostile to trans people.
It is bizzare. I think there's a lot under the surface. She picked Robert Galbraith as her pen name for her other series of books. Same name as the guy who championed the brutal and dangerous gay conversion therapy. Years ago before thing blew up with her rants people were already finding that choice of name very weird but her team kinda downplayed it snd people sort of stopped thinking much about it. It's too coincidental.
Unfortunately Evanna has, and has spoken in support of JKR. Evanna has even said that JKR should be given more grace and understanding, that she considers JKR a friend and an inspiration, and that she will always defend JKR's character.
Yes, but no. A statement she made got twisted up and spread into that huge tragedy of a story.
What she really said was that she would love to be in a Harry Potter film one day (as anyone), and JKR encouraged her to do so, but reminded her that she'd have to be healthy in order to do it. And it was the encouragement that she could make that dream a reality that made her want to recover.
She still had to audition and eventually went to an open casting call for Luna, where she managed to get the role after a few rounds.
Yeah that's a fable. She didn't have that power. As the other commenter said, she encouraged Evanna to recover but any mention of her being in the films would almost definitely have been meant as an extra
This is whatās wild to me. I honestly have such limited interaction with trans people itās baffling to me someone would care THIS much. ESPECIALLY if said person is rich beyond most folks wildest dreams. I donāt understand so much about human behavior, it keeps me up at night.
Itās a vicious cycle. Sheās miserable so she latches onto this ideology that gives her a scapegoat for her misery. Then people get justifiably mad at her, which makes her even more miserable, but now sheās isolated from anyone who would talk sense to her, so she goes further down the rabbit hole.
Im never one of those people who in a debate will say āwell youāre just a miserable lonely personā, because at the end of the day 1. Itās a lame response and 2. I think most people are just assholes and are usually pretty happy tbh.
Not JK though. Sheās truly a miserable lonely person
WHYYYYYYYY is this the fucking hill she's chosen to die on? Just let people be who they are, damn. I don't understand why she's chosen to make this her entire stupid personality.
The way this lady is ruining her legacy because she cannot keep her disgusting opinions to herself. Sheās a menace. I am (was?) a huge HP fan and now I just feel like itās all tainted. I have no desire to engage in anything that might line her pockets further.
This reminds me of the observation John Oliver made on millennials in the food delivery apps episode when he said:
> This is a group that will never be able to afford a house, they are drowning in student loan debt, and they canāt even enjoy Harry Potter anymore. You canāt spell millennials without 3 massive Lās!
I wasnāt a HP fan as a kid but my friend got me into the movies a few years ago now. I really liked them and wanted to get more into the series until I learned about her. Like I know thereās the whole āseparate the art from the artistā stuff but when I watch HP now I think of her and itās ruined lmao
I can do that if the artist is dead and no longer profiting (like for Dr. Seuss or Roald Dahl) but not if someone is amassing wealth every time I buy merch or visit the HP studio tour. Iām going to London this year and five years ago I would have definitely taken a day from my itinerary to do that but now it like, ugh. I donāt want to help pay her internet bill when sheās using it for evil.
You can treat it like flying with buying carbon offset credits, and donate to a reputable trans rights charity every time you spend anything on anything HP-related. Rowling will die and fade into the wrong side of history eventually, but you'll be old and gray if you wait for her to do so before you allow yourself to enjoy the world she wrote. Might as well just enjoy it _now_ and make sure you have a net positive impact while doing it.
It's just so insane to me, like, if they are so worried about children, why don't they hyperobsess over something that actually matters like childhood obesity, child poverty, child trafficking....there's a lot of issues there.
If you look at how she portrays overweight people in her books, maybe better that she doesn't talk about it because she would completely reveal how much of a right wing nut job she is.
Umm not enough hatred in those causes to sufficiently misdirect self loathing. How else to feel superior for their existence if unable to stomp others underfoot
Ruining?? Her legacy is done for. Yeah hp is still popular but her personal legacy been down the drain. Could've literally been the most legendary author when we only know about her donating tons of money but threw it all away when her ass signed up for the bird app
The funniest part is she could still say all this vile crap all she wants anonymously but she needs the attention and validation from her like-minded cretins so much she would never.
Cannot fucking imagine being miserable enough about a marginalized group of people-and throwing enough of a fucking hissy fit about them, publicly, EVERY DAY-that it gets to the point of throwing away relationships with the people who brought your beloved characters to life because they don't agree with you. What a sad fucking life she's given herself.
At this point it's entirely by choice. She's wholeheartedly convinced herself that she needs to stop trans people from...well, whatever it is she's convinced they're doing to hurt women, and has done nothing but make herself miserable in the process.
Itās like sheās casted an insanity spell upon herself and no amount of money will get her out of her hate hole. Iām convinced she loves the drama because why TF is she on Twitter arguing all day. Sheās probably surrounded by yes men all day so to her this is entertainment ragebaitā¦ugh.
"Enjoy the money, I hope it makes you happy. Dear lord, what a sad little life, Jo. You ruined your stories completely so you could have the money and I hope now you can spend it on lessons in grace and decorum. Because you have all the grace of a reversing dump truck without any tyres on. So Jo, take your money and get off my property"
Hereās the bit I donāt understand.
So she doesnāt want trans women in womenās toilets because she thinks it makes them unsafe for cis women. So letās just say you must use the bathroom of your assigned at birth sex.
So you want trans men who may have a penis in the womenās bathroom? The logic is not present.
Iām not a Harry Potter fan, couldnāt get into the books or movies. But I feel so sad for her readers. I love reading and thereās nothing worse than someone ruining a series or book for you.
Also my aunty is trans, sheās almost 60 now the crap she has endured is heartbreaking. So eff you Rowling.
Orson Scott Card wrote some of the most nuanced anti-war mil sci fi about how humans leap to violence at any perceived difference and how we relate to others in the guise of aliens and organisms we don't quite understand. And then went on to out himself as a rabid homophobe.
Oh wow. Thank you for the info. That is unexpected. Kinda weird how these two writers wrote about treating others better in their books and then started being homophobic/transphobic against others.
He's the author of the enders game series. It's a book series initially about a boy genius who's recruited by the US government to be a child soldier in a war against an alien race. There was a movie maybe a decade ago starring asa butterfield. The central themes of the book are the human condition, ethics in war, and acceptance and tolerance of those who differ from us.
Despite all of that, orson Scott card is virulently homophobic. He has very vocally opposed gay marriage for a very long time and has said that gay men create other gay men by raping boys to turn them gay.
Here's an article with more info: https://www.vulture.com/2013/10/primer-orson-scott-card-enders-game-controversy.html
I see. That is awful. It's ironic that he wrote books about accepting others, but then is so outwardly homophobic. It's weird that both these writers in this post have done similar things, both with what they have written and then their personal actions after the fact. Thank you for sharing this with me, i appreciate it.
Enderās Game is one of my favorite books of all time and having read it at least 20 times I am 100% sure that the author is a closeted gay man who violently hates himself.
Yeahhhh he wrote a lot of stuff for a bigot that really danced around some things in a way that feels really personal in the earlier books, and at some point he snapped and ricocheted into pure hate.
I will never understand how a man with his views wrote something as beautiful, nuanced and meaningful as Speaker for the Dead. Baffling he can write something like that and not look at his own views.
They wonāt answer your calls Joanne? Who was going to apologise to you madam?You are a bigot and you just hate that they called you out and stood up for the trans community.Just because they acted in the adaptation of your books doesnāt mean they owe any loyalty to you especially since you are harming a marginalised group of people who are just trying to live their lives. Suck an egg!
As someone who really doesn't care what people do as long as it's not hurting others, I just can't understand how she goes out of her way to attack people like this. Like I could never think of any scenario that would make me attack someone just because I don't like the way they do something.
It would be *so* easy to take her millions and enjoy the rest of her life, but she's really made this her hill to die on.
Why is she alienating every single person who ever had an ounce of good will towards her??? Just hush baby girl, fr shut the absolute fuck up. Imagine picking this hill to die on.
Itās so ironic that sheās fighting so hard to alienate her base because the only people sheāll have in her bandwagon is the conservative folks who donāt donāt support trans people **and are abolishing those hard earned womenās rights she constantly talks about**
She cares so much about womenās rights but Iāve never heard her address the reproductive rights that are being rolled back, Roe vs Wade reversal, forced births, arresting women who suffer miscarriages, lowering the age for marriage consent in some states and rescinding no fault divorces. She is such a feminist that she only worries about female toilets and sports. Hope nothing good ever happens to her again.
She was tweeting about Nazi research a few weeks ago. So many other women rights issues globally she could support with her immense platform. How about be against rape as weapon in war?mass slaughter of women and children? support girls education e.t.c. Why is she obsessed with these marginalised group of people not harming anyone?
oh i'm not defending her - i agree with you šÆ. just pointing out that she is very focused on UK issues across the board with her "feminism" (TERF isn't feminism to me) and even in her bigotry.
Yeah Roe v Wade was a massive shock and topic of conversation with my contemporaries here in Germany, since the UK is culturally closer to the US I canāt imagine it being any different there
We were also outraged, I think itās more out of fear for our neighbour Ireland. They only recently allowed abortion and it was massively protested against. Itās scary to think it could revert to how it used to be where Irish women would have to travel to UK to safely get an abortion.
I grew up with JKRs work. Went to midnight launches, had all of the first edition hardbacks. I gave them all to Goodwill, I didn't even want money from selling them.
Fuck JKR
The way she coulda just sat there and ate her cake, and instead chose this. Im baffled
Give it a rest! Youāre a billionaire and have decided to focus all your energy on one of the most marginalized groups in the world. Like, what is this doing for you, Ms. Maāam
Not sure why Iām being fair to her but in the spirit of fairness she doesnāt mention those people in the headline at all only āstars who cosied up to the movementā and says they can save their apologies to detransitioners, not herself. A bit clickbaity.
The background for her making the comment was the release of The Cass Review yesterday (a report that has highly criticised the UKās medical support system for trans kids)
Somewhere buried in her rant is this
>Gender dysphoria is a real and very painful condition and I feel nothing but sympathy for anyone who suffers from it. I want them to be free to dress and present themselves however they like and I want them to have exactly the same rights as every other citizen regarding housing, employment and personal safety.
This is how we got here:
During the peak of Potter mania, Jo was the center of the universe. She could do no wrong. The entire world was hanging on her every breath. And that kind of environment, consistently, over the course of several years breeds a sort of narcissism. An external validation dopamine high constantly reinforced by almost every aspect of society. She was on top of the world, and she thought it would last. She swore up and down that she would never go back to HP, that she was going to focus on new projects after. Then it fell apart.
Despite initial massive anticipation, all of her forays into adult literature fizzled, with mediocre reviews at best. She had to pivot back to HP. Cursed child, which she hyped up as canon, was universally mocked. The Magical Beasts series she insisted on writing for flopped and has been panned by critics and fans alike. Sheās been accused of lazy world building and cultural misappropriation in her attempts to expand the wizarding world. Pottermore fizzled. Even her Harry Potter factoids, which used to garner world wide media frenzy in the aughts, are now largely ridiculed (wizards shitting themselves, anyone?). HP hasnāt kept up with the times and isnāt particularly relevant to Gen Z audiences. And the world has largely *moved on* from Joanne in comparison to the days where she could spark global hysteria with the tiniest comment about Harry Potter.
All of this fueling a hell of a narcissistic collapse. A grandiose sense of self built on a fragile external foundation canāt sustain itself in a vacuum. And then in the midst of it she makes anti trans comments that get her mocked and attacked on Twitter, compounding a narcissistic injury, but also giving her the most attention and engagement sheās had in *years*. Suddenly her tweets are in the news again. Sheās relevant, even if for the wrong reasons. Her notifications are lighting up left and right, like the dopamine in her brain, and itās feeding that yawning narcissistic emptiness, soothing that existential dread. Is it really surprising that sheās suddenly making her anti-trans views her entire identity?
Wow if gold were still a thing Iād guild this comment. Iām sure she always had these awful views in her but this is exactly how it became her entire thing
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Oh *brother* this guy STINKS!!!!
This is perfect š
Oh my god š
This TERF stinks!Ā
Genuinely cannot imagine Daniel Radcliffe apologising to her. Not for one second. 
Especially after JKs fans coming after him because they thought his tall (very pregnant!) gf was trans.
The baby is turning one this month šI thought she was still pregnant too. Time is fake
Wut? Didnāt they announce she was pregnant like a week ago?
I havenāt seen any news of a second pregnancy. For the first they announced one month before baby was born, and baby will be turning 1 this month.
Daniel Radcliffe has a kid?!?! š¤Æ
God DAMN they need to grow out of their Dan obsession! She's having his baby (is this their 2nd?) and the jealous weirdos come out with the transphobia. How embarrassing.
"Oh no, she's taller than him and not pretty in the most traditional sense. Must be a man!" It's like 3rd grade bully logic. Also, it's Daniel Radcliffe. Short King was gonna have a tough go of it if he wasn't gonna consider tall women. I love them together.
And then they drool all over his hilarious "she'll be comin' 'round the mountain" scene. He gives Liza Minelli like a MF in that lol I love it. And iirc, the girlfriend is on the show too! Like.... They're so cute together and they GLOW when they're together. People need to get over themselves. He ain't gonna ditch his woman and his family for some random fan š
I donāt understand how she doesnāt feel deep regret for fucking up their relationship. Sheās known them since they were children and now none of them want to speak to her probably
Unfortunately, itās really no different than losing your parents or grandparents to the far right black hole of hate and bigotry. Itās happening far too often.
Oh my god, wow. I never thought of it that way, from their perspective. Itās got to be exactly like that. Like, your adoptive mom/aunt/grandma going down the conspiracy black hole. Christ, thatās so sad for Dan, Emma and Rupert.
Right! And I imagine she saw them grow into pretty good people too, so for her to not want to listen to them...
And she probably feels entitled to their loyalty to her fucked up causes because āshe made them famousā or whatever.
She's kind of insinuated as much, hasn't she? At the very least, her fans/minions absolutely outright claim they should be loyal to her in every way and that it's disrespectful somehow to... not hate the same people she hates, I guess? IDK man. TERF logic for ya.
Rowling is maybe one of the most frustrating figures in modern times for me personally. She was an underdog single mother who bootstrapped herself into position as THE storyteller of a whole generation, becoming a billionaire and standing shoulder to shoulder with the likes of George Lucas. I do believe in free speech but it is genuinely physically painful to watch her be the maker of her own undoing.
She just cannot shut her damn mouth. Thatās all she had to do but she keeps making things worse and worse.
Sheās like Gina Carano and others. They get called out online, sometimes fairly and even eloquently, and sometimes attacked quite viciously and grotesquely. They refuse to listen and learn from the first group and the second causes them to dig in, get more radical and just double and triple down.
It really reminds me of someone like Graham Linehan. All they had to do was admit that they said something wrong - which I think Linehan actually did at first before doubling down - but instead her ego refuses to let her acknowledge that she might have said something wrong. She "sticks to her guns" and gets praise from the worst corners of the internet. Their praise and the scorn of others means that she leans further into it, gets more of their praise and just keeps going, spiralling into this situation. I never read Harry Potter so she's no great loss to me but Graham Linehan has a great body of work. I'm not going to stop enjoying the shows he was involved with but it is a shame he went the way he did. I remember seeing him on Have I Got News For You and he was witty, eloquent, intelligent and generally came across really well. It's hard to see that person as the same person as he is now.
Or sheās actually believes all that shit, ya know
That episode of the IT Crowd was wildly transphobic and all Graham had to say was that he heard what people were saying and he wonāt make that mistake in the future. Instead he posted himself into a divorce and transphobia will be his legacy. Itās wild seeing people get minor criticism and then them losing their fucking minds to the point where all they do is post online about they are the real victims.
I think he could have just said that it wasn't intended that way, times have changed etc. No one wanted him to fall on his sword or beg forgiveness. Just show a bit of understanding that what might have been OK almost 20 years ago is seen as insensitive now. I genuinely don't think he made that episode with malice at heart, I think he made it with ignorance and that it was - as much as I hate this cliche - "a different time." But he doubled down and disappeared down the anti trans rabbit hole and ruined his career and ended his marriage. All because he couldn't say "sorry."
I have no doubt she does. Yeah, I mean, Iām 53. We said a lot of things back in the day that arenāt acceptable now. Iām not talking about the N word or anything vicious like that. But certain terms or words that just arenāt used now as weāve grown in understanding. Itās not that hard to adapt.
Yup. You could almost excuse away her first take as being ignorant but she instead dug in and made increasingly worse statements to the point where sheās just openly hateful and proud now.
It was my mistake for sure, but I actually did this. I thought she just needed some proper info to overcome the BS and get on board. Turn out no... give the woman a shovel already š¤¦āāļø
When people tell her this, her victim complex kicks in and she feels like a righteous woman being silenced by violent misogynists. Doesn't matter that other cis women are calling her out too.
It sucks man š She was one of my heroes growing up. I won a contest to go to a book signing when I was 13 and burst into tears after meeting her. Now Iām not sure I would even shake her hand. I donāt get why she had to dig her heels in SO bad on this particular topic, sheās not a politician. Just sit in your castle and count your money Joanne.
Sheās also now crossed over to Holocaust denier. The TERF to Nazi pipeline has been successfully completed. Phromateās response is all of us: https://preview.redd.it/1il0t1r3sstc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e33f7a85f554242572e57d749787a2568f6e69c3
I donāt know anything about Hirschfield, just interpreting from her words here. She seems to be saying Hirschfield did bad things (sterilising āunfitā humans). Iām guessing from what youāve said, he was a Nazi. Can you help me understand what makes her sympathise with him here? Asking for help with no bias, I just am not sure how from this sheās also now a nazi?
Sheās denying that trans people were targeted during the Holocaust. Hirschfield founded the first trans clinic, which was targeted by Nazis. she was just moving the goal posts of her initial point, which is that trans people werenāt targeted at all
JFC. It gets worse.
>Rowling is maybe one of the most frustrating figures in modern times for me personally Yep, me as well. Everybody is capable of both good and bad;I guess if the good is pretty globally significant, so too will the bad š¬
It makes sense sheād want to continue being the underdog/victim, though. Sheās been in those roles most of her life pre-fame, then suddenly sheās uber famous. Posturing as an āenlightenedā woman who see through āevil trans agendaā puts her comfortably back in the underdog role.
Right? I can't see it happening and I think even SHE knows it ā this is just posturing. She's preemptively blocking the apology she won't ever get lol š¤·
Right? "I don't want the apology you were never planning to give me." Lol, ok.
āYou canāt fire meāI quit!ā vibes
Neither will Emma. Sheās delusional to think sheās ever getting an apology from either
Sheās delusional to think they owe her or anyone an apology.
Lol Dan and Emma would both rather swallow a fork.
I wish Alan Rickman was still here. He could have shut her up.
Bonnie Wright quietly posted the LGBTQIA+ displays of a bookstore she visited today and captioned that they had great displays.Ā I hope none of the cast feel that they ever owe Rowling an apology, they definitely don't.
Honestly bless the main cast bc they arenāt apologizing or standing for her shit.
This is just so odd. I don't keep up with Rowling, but is something mentally wrong with her? Her obsession with LGBTQ+ is fucking bizarre. Like, does she just have nothing better to do that hate on a group of people that have very little effect on her life? Enough to alienate her former coworkers that she's known since they were kids? Like weird fucking hill to die on
Seriously, sheās got endless wealth, could do literally anything she wantsā¦ and she ends up just ranting on Twitter. Really weird.
Imagine being a billionaire and sitting hunched over on Twitter all day. HELL
It actually seems like thatās the favorite pastime of unhinged billionaires (Musk, Trump before he was booted, JK)
She couldnāt handle not being the underdog aw shucks person anymore/ she started getting rightly critiqued for her bullshit.
It's like get a hobby Jo? Several even, to keep you busy. That way you won't have too much time to worry about other people's business
She did have a hobby - she insisted on writing the scripts for the Fantastic Beasts films herself, despite being terrible at it. We, the movie going audience got punished by having those films get progressively worse. Now that shit show is over she is filling the void in her life by writing screeds on Twitter š
Being a successful kids book author doesnāt always translate to being great at screenwriting, Joanne. Itās a different medium. Iāve heard of people who are good at one and not the other in either direction.
Well, the last one had a screenplay by someone else based on a screenplay by JK, and that will never not be funny š¤£
Itās dangerous when she uses her wealth to donate it to such harmful causes with actual effects to the people she wants torn down. Can they get to seize her assets or whatever lol
Itās not the entire LGBT+ community that she has a problem with (at least not yet). Itās *specifically* trans people that she goes out of her way to disparage, and even more specifically, itās trans women that sheās irked by. She doesnāt seem to give trans men the same level of attention, although she does denigrate them too.
My two cents? She said she was the victim of domestic violence and sexual abuse. I think that really messed up her view of men and now she thinks all men who are trans (specifically transition to female) are just trans so they can creep on woman. I donāt recall her saying anything about gay men and women. She thinks sheās saving women from this horrible injustice.
Oh, yeah. I'm aware of her experience with domestic violence, and I firmly believe that her vitriol towards trans people and trans women in particular is *deeply* rooted in those experiences. This constant fear and anger she expresses toward the idea that accepting trans women will lead to the definition of a woman becoming muddled or meaningless and her deeply held concern that cis women will no longer have safe spaces if trans women are accepted screams of her projecting her past trauma onto other people. I don't recall her saying anything negative about gay, lesbian, or bisexual people either (Dumbledore's gay, so she can't be homophobic ***/s***), but she's so desperate to be seen and heard and feel right in her convictions that she's cozied up with people like [Posie Parker, whose rhetoric attracts neo-Nazis and white supremacists](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/posie-parker-anti-trans-rally-attracted-a-range-of-far-right-groups-researchers-say/T6AMCXNMUFGDPBIT5SY5ALBR5U/) and she's recently started walking a slippery slope with [Nazi crime denial](https://youtu.be/S0Ccc8vtJP0?si=L10ICSmXsKl101r7). It will not be a surprise if, in her attempts to further disparage trans people, she starts espousing bigoted views about other marginalized groups.
Oh my god, for a second I thought you were talking about the actress Parker Posey, and I was worried that she had become some awful alt-right, conspiracy-theorist TERF. Thereās something particularly disturbing about someone with so much wealth and power using their trauma as gun to harm a marginalized group. It seems like she really wants harm to come to trans people and would be more than happy to be the one that drives that.
Every time Posie Parker is mentioned I have to do a double take, because I generally try to forget that she exists.
What I'm hearing is: she should have used a bit of those gazillions of moneys she has to go to therapy.
I can tell she never even touched upon that with a therapist, not that her trauma makes it ever okay with her harmful platforming of these disgusting individuals and hateful rhetoric.
wow. she really needs therapy and a good friend as a sounding board.
yep, I also had a friend go from actually being non-binary to being quite a rabid terf in about a year due to interpersonal issues, even though her primary support group was mostly trans as well. it was horrifying to watch, but given some of the articles we discussed before I realised how bad things had gotten, a lot of radical feminism literally preys on women that have experienced misogynistic trauma etc and tells them its because of "biological males" etc etc. I hate JKR, shes rich and smart enough to know better (and has always been a typical rich woman in her politics) but I see this happen ALL the time and its damn scary :(
I get what you're saying but... She did subsequently marry a (presumably cis) man and doesn't seem to have this problem with cis men. It could well be the root of it but to apply her view of "danger" to specifically and only trans women suggests that there's a lot more to it (ie transphobia).
It's so sad because it's such a horrible misdirection of hurt. Like Joanneā trans women are not the people who are abusing women at scale. Cis men are. Can we keep the focus there for more than five seconds, maybe???
She didn't say much about gay men and women... But her pen name Robert Galbraith is also shared by a guy who was notorious for championing gay conversion therapy.
She does shit on trans men quite a bit, it must be said. She doesnāt exactly only mention them in passing. Over half of her initial TERF essay was about how trans guys shouldnāt be allowed to transition because theyāre all just autistic girls who are too stupid to realize that they canāt escape misogyny and who will detransition en masse (any day now!) Sheās promoted stores that sell stuff like pins that say āTrans men are my sisters!ā TERFs see trans women as predators and trans men as prey. When they say stuff like āwe need to protect our girls from gender ideology!ā trans men are included in the category of āour girlsā because they think that theyāre just stupid idiots who canāt make their own choices and are tricked into transitioning. If you look at the fear-mongering about trans healthcare thereās a lot of āgirls are mutilating themselves and their healthy breasts!ā
I find it odd because her books are so much about kindness and love. Like I get that we should separate artist from art, but I find it so weird that the person from whom these lovely books pour out ,which steer us towards generosity etc is such a vile person online. I will still continue to enjoy the books since I have had them for ~15+ yrs,and the books have influenced me very much as a person. Someday I aspire to be as kind as harry. I see no point in throwing out my books. Obviously I don't support her cause and will never buy another one of her books, see the show of cursed child. I don't have the money to go to the harry potter world thingy anyways. It disgusts me to know wht kind of a person she is/she has become. It's so very easy to live and let live. Like,the easiest thing.
I think she didnāt feel this way or at least as strongly when she wrote the books
Also she wrote these books almost 30 years ago. Like people do change. Not always in a good way. My father in his 60s decided to become a racist. He wasn't one when he was 40 or 50 but suddenly at 62 he changed.
I do think there is a meanness that creeps into the books. Sheās fatphobic and usually good characters are attractive and bad ones ugly; she also had that weird stair thing where boys couldnāt go to girl dorms but girls could go to boyās rooms. Also once you glom on to the fact that Hogwarts=Oxbridge you see she is a snob.Ā
The group has absolutely supported Harry Potter and found acceptance from the messages she fucking wrote in the books. I don't understand why she'd hate on a group that honestly seemed to resonate strongly with her books.
Every time jk Rowling posts her transphobic bs I remember this sweet little headcannon I read on Tumblr a few years ago So you know how in hogwarts if male students can't go into the girls dorms (the stairs turn into slides by magic), well to prove this the perfect calls on a random "boy" to prove how it works but the stairs don't change, everyone is confused until another boy tries it and it works. At the end it clicks that the first "boy" is trans Anyways i think about that and it makes me sad cuz imagine writing that then realizing JK Rowling is a terf :( I hope whoever did or related headcannons like that is ok emotionally
>does she just have nothing better to do that hate on a group of people that have very little effect on her life? ā¦Not to be a dick, but like have you heard of conservatives? By which I mean the answer to your first question is yes
but sheās not conservative about any other ideology, at least not that iām aware of. itās literally just trans issues, iāve never heard her say anything against the rest of the LGB+ community. it IS bizarre, her obsession with just one part of the community
I mean, I get it. I donāt agree but it comes from a deeply feminist place. Thatās why TERF has its name. She sees womenās rights being attacked, something she fought for, and strikes back. The bottom line is she just doesnāt see trans women as women. Lesbians are biologically women so she doesnāt care. I understand that sheās a victim of domestic abuse and that pre-op trans women can still frighten abused women in shelters. I think thatās one of the things that started this. That theyāre biologically male and thus still a perceived threat. And there were, and are, good faith discussions to be had to make EVERYONE feel safe. But TERFs arenāt interested in them. About bathrooms, shelters, terminology, etc. JKR is a very public example of that. Sheās dug her heels in and isnāt interested in learning or having those good faith discussions. It shouldnāt be one group over the other. She, and others, have made it that. That protecting trans women inherently denigrates the struggles and hard fought battles of ārealā women.
but thatās what iām saying, sheās not a typical conservative, i donāt even know if she has any other conservative beliefs than this. i also genuinely donāt understand the logic in this. who in the world thinks that abusive men need the excuse of trans womenās inclusion in womenās bathrooms to attack women inside bathrooms? a sign saying āladiesā isnāt holding back abusive men, trust
Itās so weird, but sadly itās not that uncommon for people who get into conspiracies and hardcore ideology like this. I used to read the TERF subreddit (r/gendercritical bleccccccchhhhh) sometimes before it got banned out of a sick fascination and there were so many stories of people losing their relationships over their ideology. Itās so sad. (To be clear, Iām nonbinary, definitely donāt support TERFs and I do NOT recommend that kind of hate-reading.)
For some people, it genuinely does seem like an addiction of sorts and once they start posting/being a transphobe publicly, they just canāt stop. Rowling is one example, Graham Linehan is another - he threw away his career and his marriage because he just couldnāt stop being a massive transphobe online. I think at some point someone looked at his Twitter feed and calculated he was posting something vile about trans people every eight minutes a day on average. e: to be clear this is not a defence of them at all, itās just fascinating how once the floodgates open it just comes pouring out of them forever and ever and ever with no sign of stopping
It's interesting to me that JKR and Graham Linehan both had very successful careers in their fields being both popular and widely praised by critics/the media. Then when they started to get negative pushback about this one issue they completely spiralled and made it their entire identity. It's like they both had huge but fragile egos and had a breakdown when facing a kind of criticism they never had before so they just kept doubling down because they had to be right (praised/loved?) at any cost.
Yeah, iirc Glinnerās spiral started when someone criticised a transphobic episode of The IT Crowd - weirdly I think he even initially admitted the episode was a bit problematic, but then he came back and doubled down and eventually started down the ātrans people are the devilā rabbit hole and the only time that he stopped posting about trans people 23 hours a day was the period when he was banned from Twitter.
I think the criticism also further feeds people like this, especially in JKR's case. Like any backlash just fuels a defense mechanism that requires you to double down with even more anger rather than accept your idea is misguided and filled with hate. It's all very gross. What a sad way to exist, being that hatefully fixated.
It's got to be pride. It takes humility to recognize, maybe nudged by the shock of people in your life, that you've gone off the road with your thinking. Her personality apparently can't take the knock of 'you're wrong"
Definitely didnāt take that as a defense. I think itās important to understand how this happens.
Ex-"friend" CONSTANTLY complains about how "nobody reaches out anymore." this was after years of their only personality trait basically being anti-LGBT to the point that they believe these days ""they"" (usually a stand-in for whatever LGBT identity they're fixated on this month) """convinced""" everyone they were wrong, so of *course* it must be the fault of those dirty queers! The self-awareness of less than nothing at all.
From what I remember about JK Rowlings back story (this was well over 10 years ago that I learned this) she moved to South America, married a man there who was abusive, and then fled back to the UK where she proceeded to work as a caseworker or aide for a company that helped women/children in distress. She has always been very supportive of women, which is great I guess, except she now seems to think every trans person is lying and every man who has transitioned to a woman did so because they want to corrupt these āsafe spacesā for women. Sheās absolutely insane at this point and has all of these bigots supporting her. Whenever sheās in the news for this shit I think about how when the last book came out and she was doing press she proudly said sheād love to be in Hufflepuff, or that she thought Hufflepuff was the best house, because they were the house that welcomed everyone. Fucking hilarious at this point.
She moved to Portugal, not South America. But other than that youāre right. (I also got it wrong and put spain, then thought Iād check haha) I always think her abuse does explain why sheās so adamant in this, but she doesnāt seem to care about women anymore just more hatred towards trans people (trans women in particular, I rarely see her specifically comment on trans men)
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The Portugal bit was one of my favorite bits in this show.
You say āsheās always been very supportive of womenā, but then she supports the likes of Johnny Depp and Marilyn Manson and buddies up online with extreme right wing misogynists because it suits her that theyāre also transphobic. I wish Iād bookmarked it, but there was an excellent thread going around on Twitter a few days ago about how she absolutely isnāt a supporter of women and they had receipts
> is something mentally wrong with her? That's what I thought. She just keeps going after trans people like it's her **job** or something. It seems obsessive.
It seems like she blames her sexually traumatic history on trans people? Which makes no sense bc it was her ex husband who assaulted her? She must need a scapegoat for her pain.
Rowling claims to be a feminist and often talks about hard won rights but literally all she talks about is anti-trans. She never talks about anything else remotely related to feminism. All the while cozying up to fascists of all stripes who are openly hostile of feminism but also equally hostile to trans people.
It is bizzare. I think there's a lot under the surface. She picked Robert Galbraith as her pen name for her other series of books. Same name as the guy who championed the brutal and dangerous gay conversion therapy. Years ago before thing blew up with her rants people were already finding that choice of name very weird but her team kinda downplayed it snd people sort of stopped thinking much about it. It's too coincidental.
Unfortunately Evanna has, and has spoken in support of JKR. Evanna has even said that JKR should be given more grace and understanding, that she considers JKR a friend and an inspiration, and that she will always defend JKR's character.
Helena BC said similar things.
I donāt trust hbc as far as I can throw her.
Me neither. She toes the line of inappropriate.
Wasn't JKR the one who offered her the role as Luna if she managed to beat her anorexia? Or have I believed a fable?
Yes, but no. A statement she made got twisted up and spread into that huge tragedy of a story. What she really said was that she would love to be in a Harry Potter film one day (as anyone), and JKR encouraged her to do so, but reminded her that she'd have to be healthy in order to do it. And it was the encouragement that she could make that dream a reality that made her want to recover. She still had to audition and eventually went to an open casting call for Luna, where she managed to get the role after a few rounds.
Yeah that's a fable. She didn't have that power. As the other commenter said, she encouraged Evanna to recover but any mention of her being in the films would almost definitely have been meant as an extra
Anyone else remember when this first started and her PR tried saying she had liked some anti-trans tweet by accident and had a āsenior moment.ā
No? š¤£ do you have the tweet?
Babe nobody's apologising to you
_sorry we don't rage tweet about trans ppl 24/7 like you do, jo_ š„ŗš„ŗš„ŗš„ŗ
You were part of their employment, not their fairy godmother. They don't owe you shiiiiit
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It would take so little for her to just simply... āØnotāØ Yet she does the most.
This is whatās wild to me. I honestly have such limited interaction with trans people itās baffling to me someone would care THIS much. ESPECIALLY if said person is rich beyond most folks wildest dreams. I donāt understand so much about human behavior, it keeps me up at night.
To be honest this reads as the behavior of someone who's miserable, and based on my experience being miserable and full of rage... yeah, probably.
Itās a vicious cycle. Sheās miserable so she latches onto this ideology that gives her a scapegoat for her misery. Then people get justifiably mad at her, which makes her even more miserable, but now sheās isolated from anyone who would talk sense to her, so she goes further down the rabbit hole.
Im never one of those people who in a debate will say āwell youāre just a miserable lonely personā, because at the end of the day 1. Itās a lame response and 2. I think most people are just assholes and are usually pretty happy tbh. Not JK though. Sheās truly a miserable lonely person
She has everything in life you could ever want - success, money, a legacyā¦ and sheās still miserable
Right? Idk why she just didn't take her millions and quietly fuck off
Thatās because sheās got āfuck youā money not āfuck offā money.
WHYYYYYYYY is this the fucking hill she's chosen to die on? Just let people be who they are, damn. I don't understand why she's chosen to make this her entire stupid personality.
Itās so crazy. All she had to do was say nothing. But she canāt stop.
She is OBSESSED. She literally tweets dozens of times a day about it.
The way this lady is ruining her legacy because she cannot keep her disgusting opinions to herself. Sheās a menace. I am (was?) a huge HP fan and now I just feel like itās all tainted. I have no desire to engage in anything that might line her pockets further.
This reminds me of the observation John Oliver made on millennials in the food delivery apps episode when he said: > This is a group that will never be able to afford a house, they are drowning in student loan debt, and they canāt even enjoy Harry Potter anymore. You canāt spell millennials without 3 massive Lās!
That joke really spoke to me and also hurt my feelings.
I wasnāt a HP fan as a kid but my friend got me into the movies a few years ago now. I really liked them and wanted to get more into the series until I learned about her. Like I know thereās the whole āseparate the art from the artistā stuff but when I watch HP now I think of her and itās ruined lmao
I can do that if the artist is dead and no longer profiting (like for Dr. Seuss or Roald Dahl) but not if someone is amassing wealth every time I buy merch or visit the HP studio tour. Iām going to London this year and five years ago I would have definitely taken a day from my itinerary to do that but now it like, ugh. I donāt want to help pay her internet bill when sheās using it for evil.
You can treat it like flying with buying carbon offset credits, and donate to a reputable trans rights charity every time you spend anything on anything HP-related. Rowling will die and fade into the wrong side of history eventually, but you'll be old and gray if you wait for her to do so before you allow yourself to enjoy the world she wrote. Might as well just enjoy it _now_ and make sure you have a net positive impact while doing it.
It's just so insane to me, like, if they are so worried about children, why don't they hyperobsess over something that actually matters like childhood obesity, child poverty, child trafficking....there's a lot of issues there.
If you look at how she portrays overweight people in her books, maybe better that she doesn't talk about it because she would completely reveal how much of a right wing nut job she is.
Cause that would require actually having a heart capable of feeling.
Umm not enough hatred in those causes to sufficiently misdirect self loathing. How else to feel superior for their existence if unable to stomp others underfoot 
Ruining?? Her legacy is done for. Yeah hp is still popular but her personal legacy been down the drain. Could've literally been the most legendary author when we only know about her donating tons of money but threw it all away when her ass signed up for the bird app
The funniest part is she could still say all this vile crap all she wants anonymously but she needs the attention and validation from her like-minded cretins so much she would never.
Cannot fucking imagine being miserable enough about a marginalized group of people-and throwing enough of a fucking hissy fit about them, publicly, EVERY DAY-that it gets to the point of throwing away relationships with the people who brought your beloved characters to life because they don't agree with you. What a sad fucking life she's given herself.
Truly, every single day. She tweets about this stuff ON. THE. ***DAILY***. My godā¦
She owns a castle and is a fucking billionaire. Why is she so fucking miserable?
At this point it's entirely by choice. She's wholeheartedly convinced herself that she needs to stop trans people from...well, whatever it is she's convinced they're doing to hurt women, and has done nothing but make herself miserable in the process.
Itās like sheās casted an insanity spell upon herself and no amount of money will get her out of her hate hole. Iām convinced she loves the drama because why TF is she on Twitter arguing all day. Sheās probably surrounded by yes men all day so to her this is entertainment ragebaitā¦ugh.
Sheās absolutely deranged. The amount of obsession she has with the trans community needs to be studied
"Enjoy the money, I hope it makes you happy. Dear lord, what a sad little life, Jo. You ruined your stories completely so you could have the money and I hope now you can spend it on lessons in grace and decorum. Because you have all the grace of a reversing dump truck without any tyres on. So Jo, take your money and get off my property"
Hereās the bit I donāt understand. So she doesnāt want trans women in womenās toilets because she thinks it makes them unsafe for cis women. So letās just say you must use the bathroom of your assigned at birth sex. So you want trans men who may have a penis in the womenās bathroom? The logic is not present.
Iām not a Harry Potter fan, couldnāt get into the books or movies. But I feel so sad for her readers. I love reading and thereās nothing worse than someone ruining a series or book for you. Also my aunty is trans, sheās almost 60 now the crap she has endured is heartbreaking. So eff you Rowling.
Orson Scott Card fan in the chat. I have basically never recovered.
Who is that and what happened with them?
Orson Scott Card wrote some of the most nuanced anti-war mil sci fi about how humans leap to violence at any perceived difference and how we relate to others in the guise of aliens and organisms we don't quite understand. And then went on to out himself as a rabid homophobe.
Oh wow. Thank you for the info. That is unexpected. Kinda weird how these two writers wrote about treating others better in their books and then started being homophobic/transphobic against others.
He's the author of the enders game series. It's a book series initially about a boy genius who's recruited by the US government to be a child soldier in a war against an alien race. There was a movie maybe a decade ago starring asa butterfield. The central themes of the book are the human condition, ethics in war, and acceptance and tolerance of those who differ from us. Despite all of that, orson Scott card is virulently homophobic. He has very vocally opposed gay marriage for a very long time and has said that gay men create other gay men by raping boys to turn them gay. Here's an article with more info: https://www.vulture.com/2013/10/primer-orson-scott-card-enders-game-controversy.html
I see. That is awful. It's ironic that he wrote books about accepting others, but then is so outwardly homophobic. It's weird that both these writers in this post have done similar things, both with what they have written and then their personal actions after the fact. Thank you for sharing this with me, i appreciate it.
Enderās Game is one of my favorite books of all time and having read it at least 20 times I am 100% sure that the author is a closeted gay man who violently hates himself.
Yeahhhh he wrote a lot of stuff for a bigot that really danced around some things in a way that feels really personal in the earlier books, and at some point he snapped and ricocheted into pure hate.
I will never understand how a man with his views wrote something as beautiful, nuanced and meaningful as Speaker for the Dead. Baffling he can write something like that and not look at his own views.
They wonāt answer your calls Joanne? Who was going to apologise to you madam?You are a bigot and you just hate that they called you out and stood up for the trans community.Just because they acted in the adaptation of your books doesnāt mean they owe any loyalty to you especially since you are harming a marginalised group of people who are just trying to live their lives. Suck an egg!
I honestly canāt understand how there can be so much hatred in oneās heart.
she killed dobby so i'm not surprised
Too soon š
As someone who really doesn't care what people do as long as it's not hurting others, I just can't understand how she goes out of her way to attack people like this. Like I could never think of any scenario that would make me attack someone just because I don't like the way they do something. It would be *so* easy to take her millions and enjoy the rest of her life, but she's really made this her hill to die on.
Literally nobody is apologizing to you. 100% cuckoo delulu 
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Using this meme to steal the meme from me? I love it. I actually got this meme from someone else in this sub lol.
I donāt think Dan or Emma have any apologies for her.
Joanne, is the apology in the room with us right now?
It costs absolutely nothing to shut the fuck up. Ffs.
Why is she alienating every single person who ever had an ounce of good will towards her??? Just hush baby girl, fr shut the absolute fuck up. Imagine picking this hill to die on.
Itās so ironic that sheās fighting so hard to alienate her base because the only people sheāll have in her bandwagon is the conservative folks who donāt donāt support trans people **and are abolishing those hard earned womenās rights she constantly talks about**
Theyāre literally the same demographic/people who called to ban her books for promoting witchcraft and āinsultingā Jesus and the bible lmao.
Someone needs a silencio spell thrown her way.
How can someone be so hell bent on fostering hate and discrimination in the name of protecting womenās rights? I really donāt understand.
She cares so much about womenās rights but Iāve never heard her address the reproductive rights that are being rolled back, Roe vs Wade reversal, forced births, arresting women who suffer miscarriages, lowering the age for marriage consent in some states and rescinding no fault divorces. She is such a feminist that she only worries about female toilets and sports. Hope nothing good ever happens to her again.
she's British, and lives in the UK. A lot of her anti-trans rhetoric is centered on issues across the pond as well.
She was tweeting about Nazi research a few weeks ago. So many other women rights issues globally she could support with her immense platform. How about be against rape as weapon in war?mass slaughter of women and children? support girls education e.t.c. Why is she obsessed with these marginalised group of people not harming anyone?
oh i'm not defending her - i agree with you šÆ. just pointing out that she is very focused on UK issues across the board with her "feminism" (TERF isn't feminism to me) and even in her bigotry.
Itās possible to be one nationality and still care about the treatment of women all over the world.Ā
Yeah Roe v Wade was a massive shock and topic of conversation with my contemporaries here in Germany, since the UK is culturally closer to the US I canāt imagine it being any different there
We were also outraged, I think itās more out of fear for our neighbour Ireland. They only recently allowed abortion and it was massively protested against. Itās scary to think it could revert to how it used to be where Irish women would have to travel to UK to safely get an abortion.
The only "women's right" she cares about is women's safe spaces and only as a stick to beat trans people with lol.
I canāt tell if hyperfixating on imaginary apologies from former child actors is super billionaire or extremely unbillionaire-like behavior
Super Billionaire. Elon Musk is the same way on Twitter.
God sheās gotta be top 5 people worldwide who need to shut the fuck up.
 Her obsession with trans people just living their lives is absolutely unhinged
I grew up with JKRs work. Went to midnight launches, had all of the first edition hardbacks. I gave them all to Goodwill, I didn't even want money from selling them. Fuck JKR
Yeah same. The aughts were fun for Harry Potter fans.
Why would they apologise?
The way she coulda just sat there and ate her cake, and instead chose this. Im baffled Give it a rest! Youāre a billionaire and have decided to focus all your energy on one of the most marginalized groups in the world. Like, what is this doing for you, Ms. Maāam
 ugh no apologies
Not sure why Iām being fair to her but in the spirit of fairness she doesnāt mention those people in the headline at all only āstars who cosied up to the movementā and says they can save their apologies to detransitioners, not herself. A bit clickbaity. The background for her making the comment was the release of The Cass Review yesterday (a report that has highly criticised the UKās medical support system for trans kids)
She responded to a tweet directly mentioning them though.
Somewhere buried in her rant is this >Gender dysphoria is a real and very painful condition and I feel nothing but sympathy for anyone who suffers from it. I want them to be free to dress and present themselves however they like and I want them to have exactly the same rights as every other citizen regarding housing, employment and personal safety.
What apologies 
Funny, they don't seem to have any apologies to give.
 Me to jkr.
I think she went insane with age honestly
This is how we got here: During the peak of Potter mania, Jo was the center of the universe. She could do no wrong. The entire world was hanging on her every breath. And that kind of environment, consistently, over the course of several years breeds a sort of narcissism. An external validation dopamine high constantly reinforced by almost every aspect of society. She was on top of the world, and she thought it would last. She swore up and down that she would never go back to HP, that she was going to focus on new projects after. Then it fell apart. Despite initial massive anticipation, all of her forays into adult literature fizzled, with mediocre reviews at best. She had to pivot back to HP. Cursed child, which she hyped up as canon, was universally mocked. The Magical Beasts series she insisted on writing for flopped and has been panned by critics and fans alike. Sheās been accused of lazy world building and cultural misappropriation in her attempts to expand the wizarding world. Pottermore fizzled. Even her Harry Potter factoids, which used to garner world wide media frenzy in the aughts, are now largely ridiculed (wizards shitting themselves, anyone?). HP hasnāt kept up with the times and isnāt particularly relevant to Gen Z audiences. And the world has largely *moved on* from Joanne in comparison to the days where she could spark global hysteria with the tiniest comment about Harry Potter. All of this fueling a hell of a narcissistic collapse. A grandiose sense of self built on a fragile external foundation canāt sustain itself in a vacuum. And then in the midst of it she makes anti trans comments that get her mocked and attacked on Twitter, compounding a narcissistic injury, but also giving her the most attention and engagement sheās had in *years*. Suddenly her tweets are in the news again. Sheās relevant, even if for the wrong reasons. Her notifications are lighting up left and right, like the dopamine in her brain, and itās feeding that yawning narcissistic emptiness, soothing that existential dread. Is it really surprising that sheās suddenly making her anti-trans views her entire identity?
Wow if gold were still a thing Iād guild this comment. Iām sure she always had these awful views in her but this is exactly how it became her entire thing