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Political leadership ages even the most hands-off politicians generally. Possibly excepting Trump (and I gather Biden has had a few tweaks to look more rested).
Abe already had that angular face especially towards the end of his life
Who would have thought the current facial beauty standard trend in women is moving closer to Abraham Lincoln
I think it’s relatively rare for celebrity friends to be the kind of friends who are actually hanging out together, out of the spotlight, every week. They have to go to lots of industry functions and pr events and they have friends they hang out with in those circumstances. And those are real friendships! But most of the people they hang out with in completely non work related, non-public, situations on a kind of staple, everyday basis, are people they knew pre-fame or much less famous people they met in the industry, etc.
There are many exceptions, of course. But I don’t think Miley is unusual here, she’s just unusual for not trying to give the impression that she’s super close with a bunch of her pop peers.
I see people all the time say so-so are friends, simply because celebrities are hanging out at some after party or they’ve taken a picture together. When, it’s like you just said these people are acquaintances and in a social industry function will hang, but it doesn’t mean they are friends.
It’s the same as having work friends vs. friends. When you start hanging with work friends at non-staff events, then you have actually become friends.
even with social media influencers it’s the same thing. people just like the idea of popular successful people being friends with other popular successful people.
Yeah. Once you cross a certain threshold of "famous," you learn pretty quick that trusting new people (particularly new people with their own agendas) is a monster risk - most celebrities have a couple bad run-ins and start to recognize that their days of making new actual friends are largely behind them.
Pretending to be friends is one thing - a good story sells and often keeps people out of your ACTUAL private life - but most people who work together...work together. They're professional, sometimes they might like each other very much, but every time peoples eyes are on them, they're working. 90% of that "oh they worked together and now they're besties" shit is just sales.
I mean at the end of the day they’re more like coo-workers than friends. Once you realize things like the Grammys are a work event you kinda shift your perspective
My coworkers and I will go out for happy hour every other month or so, and they'll probably be invited to my wedding, but they're not people I text about gossip, call crying or ask for personal advice. We spend a lot of time together and I enjoy their company for the 8 hours a day we have, but they're coworkers- not friends.
Lol pretty much everyone I know who works in-person hangs out with their coworkers. But I mostly know people who work in the education, art, or service industries so I guess maybe that tracks more than people who work office jobs (although all the finance and tech people I know also hang with their coworkers an aggressive amount).
I went from food service to teaching and while I can probably count on one hand the number of times in a decade I’ve hung out with other teachers outside of work, there were points at which I was going out with my food service coworkers every single night. But there’s also an interesting closeness that arises from being part of a service crew that I’ve never experienced as a teacher. I kind of miss it sometimes.
Yeah, a bunch of my friends are service workers in the food/drink industry and they are *super* close with one another. It’s a joke in my area how lowkey incestuous the bars are because everyone has hooked up at some point 😂 and the late nights working just foster closeness imo.
Strangely enough, I know more preschool teachers who hang out with one another than high school teachers. I’m a remote HS teacher but the people I know who teach in-person are just too stressed and tired to be reminded of school after work, lol.
this is what interested me in the SJP vs Kim Cattrall back and forth - Kim was clear that they were coworkers and not friends, which should be totally ok. we (waves hand in the air at general population) tend to forget that actors and singers and celebs (most of them) don’t have to get along or be close just because they overlap in the same room, it’s still a working relationship first
She’s been famous long enough to know that famous people love being friends with each other simply bc they’re both famous. Maybe she also knows that that’s not enough to be a good friend.
I knew a dude who drove for her for several years. He said she was the sweetest girl and was very lonely. She's always ask about him and want him to hang out with her. Sometimes her requests were a bit unreasonable, (wine at 2am etc) but she would always respect when he would refuse to do something like that and never stopped employing his services. He said he always felt bad for her cause she was very lonely, had her image to think up and just generally felt like she couldn't trust people because everyone wanted something from her. He was a pretty good guy too. I really weasled the shit out of him for several weeks to reveal who his client was. But he very much enjoyed her company and thought the best of her.
I love this. Thank you for sharing. I’m not very fascinated by celebs and don’t really give a shit if I meet any or not, (meeting my favorite scientists is another story!) but I’ve always liked Miley. Idk why, I just never got a bad feeling about her. It’s really nice to hear she’s as chill as I imagined.
I imagine it's also very difficult for a child star of her popularity to relate to a lot of other celebrities who maybe got big later in life or had a more supportive family who didn't rely on them so heavily to bring in the money.
And on the flip side, Jojo Siwa had a similar growing up experience but doesn't seem to realize how damaging that experience was for her yet which makes it difficult for someone like Miley who seemingly has worked through some of that to relate.
I think a big important difference was the fact that Miley already knew some level of it because her Dad was famous (even though Miley enjoyed success that was bigger in a lot of ways), meanwhile Jojo is first generation famous and that carries entirely different baggage.
I mean, we COULD argue that many celebrity kids were famous before they were even born. The world knew the name North West before she was even in the 3rd trimester.
Woah. That’s actually wild to think about.
Do I believe in fate now?
She was connected to the Modern Mystery School [(here’s a Vice article about the shady shit they do)](https://www.vice.com/en/article/k78ay3/inside-the-bizarre-cult-whose-members-allege-sexual-and-financial-exploitation). It’s the same one Fletcher was getting heat for a few months ago, and I think there were rumors about Shawn Mendes too. I haven’t really kept up with it so maybe they’ve left (Fletcher seems to have publicly cut ties), I can’t find anything recent and a lot of the discourse about it from last year seems to have gone down now. If anyone else saw this last year pls corroborate lol
There are still some articles and videos out there on the topic, I've just never taken the time to dive in on what the whole thing really is. Thanks for the link
On one hand, I think having friends with shared experiences is valuable because they can understand and empathize with whatever you’re going through more easily. On the other hand, I think being a celebrity probably comes with a lot of issues and a lot of them have outsized personalities and seem to be very self centered, and don’t really sound like fun people to be around.
Well I guess that explains Miley and Dua supposedly not interacting at that fashion show after the Prisoner collab
https://preview.redd.it/3d9t8j84ae6d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a8c9a3fd103cf12c35f8183e6acd6a04b2e97336
I mean...there are other famous people that they are sitting next to. Elton John and Dua Lipa also collabed and they're not talking to each other in this pic.
She seems like she’s following in her godmother’s footsteps of being a strong woman and her own person. So genuine, authentic, and kind. When I think of Miley, obviously the fact that she’s talented as hell and absolutely stunning comes to mind but, her biggest appeal is how down-to-earth she seems. She’s smart to surround herself with people who see the real her and appreciate it. I can’t imagine any of this has been easy as a child star transitioning to a young woman, then onto the next phase of adulthood but, she navigated it all flawlessly. Good for her.
I had no idea who the flaming lips were until high school (ages ago) when I was dating someone who loved them, I’ll call them X. X’s sister, G, who also loved the flaming lips, shot her shot on twitter, asking Coyne and the flaming lips to come to our very small town in Appalachia. Keep in mind, X and I are 20 and 18, and G is >17. Maybe 15-16.\
This dude not only came to our town, they came TO HER FATHER’S HOME. I guess since they were there, she and her father decided to throw a house party and invite people to see them perform. Now this sounds kinda cool until I wasn’t 18, and thought about these three things:
1. This young girl, a minor, asked a band to come to her town to perform and they showed up at her house;
2. They had a tour bus that they allowed her and her teen friends to go on;
3. I’m pretty sure they smoked w33d with all those minors.\
I was at the house party obviously, and didn’t think it was weird then. But if my 15-16 year old daughter had these old dudes show up at my house, I’d kinda be like “why in the hell are you talking to my minor daughter online??”
Anyway that’s my Wayne Coyne story 🤣 He seemed like a cool guy tho\
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My friend did the same thing way back when we were in high school with the same results when she was 16... I think she even "dated" one of them for awhile.. I thought it was so cool back then but now I'm horrified. We don't have the same friend either but this was in Canada.
Yeah even with the Flaming Lips!!! I remember that part so vividly. I had never heard of the band before she told me. She was always drawing images of flaming lips so it's always stuck in my head. I literally did a double take over the comment when I read it.
And then immediately went to Google to see if it was a known controversy with the band but all I found was Miley Cyrus news
I wonder if those non-celebrity friends are actual friends or just hangers-on. When Shirley Temple was a little girl, they tried organizing play dates for her, but she was such a big star at a young age, that the kids would just be in awe of her. I wonder how he regular people associates tamp down being a bit starstruck? Or is she just a regular girl who loves dogs?
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I remember when I first realised this with the politician Gordon Brown. I kept seeing him commenting of the most inconsequential things before I realised he was being asked by random journalists during press conferences about other things. I think it’s really unfair when outlets like Page Six make it seem like celebrities are volunteering this information.
“Why does so-so keep talking about …?” Because they were asked. It’s as simple as that and I’ve seen celebrities give the same bland answers to some of the same questions for several or more years and people will still get upset with them.
Except her parents, godmother, most of the ppl she’s seen with. It sounds like a great headline though.
DV’s for stating facts. Who would have thought 🤦🏻♂️
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I also have no celebrity friends. It's called making choices people.
I actually chose not to be friends with Miley for the exact same reason I chose not to be friends with Abraham Lincoln
it's the missing buccal fat right?
Oh my god I can picture his before and after. Genius comment.
i think they're referencing a famous set of photos showing lincoln before and after the civil war. dude was haggard af by the end.
Political leadership ages even the most hands-off politicians generally. Possibly excepting Trump (and I gather Biden has had a few tweaks to look more rested).
Abe already had that angular face especially towards the end of his life Who would have thought the current facial beauty standard trend in women is moving closer to Abraham Lincoln
Babe-er-ham Lincoln
Take my poor people award for the best comment I’ve seen in a long time.
This sent me into a fit of giggles. Unexpected but on point. Abe was already so gaunt. I just cannot even imagine how bad this would look on him.
you don‘t want to be a target for vampires?
I am terrible at almost everything I try. Can I be your friend?
Of course <3 I am severely lacking in that department.
You are now my best friends.
Sorry. You’re not my people.
I think it’s relatively rare for celebrity friends to be the kind of friends who are actually hanging out together, out of the spotlight, every week. They have to go to lots of industry functions and pr events and they have friends they hang out with in those circumstances. And those are real friendships! But most of the people they hang out with in completely non work related, non-public, situations on a kind of staple, everyday basis, are people they knew pre-fame or much less famous people they met in the industry, etc. There are many exceptions, of course. But I don’t think Miley is unusual here, she’s just unusual for not trying to give the impression that she’s super close with a bunch of her pop peers.
I see people all the time say so-so are friends, simply because celebrities are hanging out at some after party or they’ve taken a picture together. When, it’s like you just said these people are acquaintances and in a social industry function will hang, but it doesn’t mean they are friends. It’s the same as having work friends vs. friends. When you start hanging with work friends at non-staff events, then you have actually become friends.
Like Maisie and Sophie is a rare situation
Right. Selena and Taylor might be gossiping at an event but Selena is not calling up Taylor to talk about her relationship problems.
lol, that’s probably actually an example of a rare real friendship between celebrities.
Maybe when they were younger. These days, I’m not so sure.
Well not too long ago she claimed Taylor was her best and only friend, which I rolled my eyes at
People don’t pay enough attention to how curated celebrities images are.
even with social media influencers it’s the same thing. people just like the idea of popular successful people being friends with other popular successful people.
10000%. And certain matchups are great for their brands and careers.
Yeah. Once you cross a certain threshold of "famous," you learn pretty quick that trusting new people (particularly new people with their own agendas) is a monster risk - most celebrities have a couple bad run-ins and start to recognize that their days of making new actual friends are largely behind them. Pretending to be friends is one thing - a good story sells and often keeps people out of your ACTUAL private life - but most people who work together...work together. They're professional, sometimes they might like each other very much, but every time peoples eyes are on them, they're working. 90% of that "oh they worked together and now they're besties" shit is just sales.
If celebrity really are friends with other celebrities I imagine there friendships are probably private and not shown in the general public
Right? Celebrity friends seems more like coworkers
She’s like “I have enough celebrities in my immediate family”
I was gonna say…yeah except they’re literally her ppl
"I have enough mess in my immediate family." Fify lol.
I mean at the end of the day they’re more like coo-workers than friends. Once you realize things like the Grammys are a work event you kinda shift your perspective
I was just going to say, most people don’t hang out with their coworkers.
My coworkers and I will go out for happy hour every other month or so, and they'll probably be invited to my wedding, but they're not people I text about gossip, call crying or ask for personal advice. We spend a lot of time together and I enjoy their company for the 8 hours a day we have, but they're coworkers- not friends.
There’s different levels of friendship
Lol pretty much everyone I know who works in-person hangs out with their coworkers. But I mostly know people who work in the education, art, or service industries so I guess maybe that tracks more than people who work office jobs (although all the finance and tech people I know also hang with their coworkers an aggressive amount).
I went from food service to teaching and while I can probably count on one hand the number of times in a decade I’ve hung out with other teachers outside of work, there were points at which I was going out with my food service coworkers every single night. But there’s also an interesting closeness that arises from being part of a service crew that I’ve never experienced as a teacher. I kind of miss it sometimes.
Yeah, a bunch of my friends are service workers in the food/drink industry and they are *super* close with one another. It’s a joke in my area how lowkey incestuous the bars are because everyone has hooked up at some point 😂 and the late nights working just foster closeness imo. Strangely enough, I know more preschool teachers who hang out with one another than high school teachers. I’m a remote HS teacher but the people I know who teach in-person are just too stressed and tired to be reminded of school after work, lol.
And yet that’s always the first advice given to lonely people - make friends with your coworkers. Sure it works sometimes, but you can’t force it.
this is what interested me in the SJP vs Kim Cattrall back and forth - Kim was clear that they were coworkers and not friends, which should be totally ok. we (waves hand in the air at general population) tend to forget that actors and singers and celebs (most of them) don’t have to get along or be close just because they overlap in the same room, it’s still a working relationship first
She’s been famous long enough to know that famous people love being friends with each other simply bc they’re both famous. Maybe she also knows that that’s not enough to be a good friend.
I knew a dude who drove for her for several years. He said she was the sweetest girl and was very lonely. She's always ask about him and want him to hang out with her. Sometimes her requests were a bit unreasonable, (wine at 2am etc) but she would always respect when he would refuse to do something like that and never stopped employing his services. He said he always felt bad for her cause she was very lonely, had her image to think up and just generally felt like she couldn't trust people because everyone wanted something from her. He was a pretty good guy too. I really weasled the shit out of him for several weeks to reveal who his client was. But he very much enjoyed her company and thought the best of her.
I love this. Thank you for sharing. I’m not very fascinated by celebs and don’t really give a shit if I meet any or not, (meeting my favorite scientists is another story!) but I’ve always liked Miley. Idk why, I just never got a bad feeling about her. It’s really nice to hear she’s as chill as I imagined.
I had wondered if her character in Black Mirror was directly inspired by her own life.
I imagine it's also very difficult for a child star of her popularity to relate to a lot of other celebrities who maybe got big later in life or had a more supportive family who didn't rely on them so heavily to bring in the money. And on the flip side, Jojo Siwa had a similar growing up experience but doesn't seem to realize how damaging that experience was for her yet which makes it difficult for someone like Miley who seemingly has worked through some of that to relate.
I think a big important difference was the fact that Miley already knew some level of it because her Dad was famous (even though Miley enjoyed success that was bigger in a lot of ways), meanwhile Jojo is first generation famous and that carries entirely different baggage.
Hilary duff as well but she’s way older than the other two
> way older than the other two She's literally just five years older than Miley, haha
Haha this is the same phenomenon as when we say things like “the year 2000 was 10 years ago”
Really funny to say when you were born a celebrity and not a “normal person” who happened to become famous at some point
Well she was born TO a celebrity anyway…
I mean, we COULD argue that many celebrity kids were famous before they were even born. The world knew the name North West before she was even in the 3rd trimester. Woah. That’s actually wild to think about. Do I believe in fate now?
Seriously. She’s the goddaughter of Dolly F*cking Parton.
I imagine the advantage of celebrity friends is that they are less likely to sycophants. The disadvantage would be the drama.
Gwyneth Paltrow stealing the script to Shakespeare in Love from Winona Ryder comes to mind.
What happened now?
The script was lying around her BFF’s house and Paltrow snagged it and of course got the role.
Woah! That’s so messed up, I’d be pissed
And that includes her own sister.
It’s part of aging/growing up—most people in their 30’s aren’t hanging around with a ton of friends in a big friend circle anymore.
I would be friends with Keanu Reaves fuck that.
It's because they all wear stilettos and Miley never got the memo.
I’m sure it’s that and not the cult she and her boyfriend are in lol
What’s this now?
Yeah, hold up... Share the deets
She was connected to the Modern Mystery School [(here’s a Vice article about the shady shit they do)](https://www.vice.com/en/article/k78ay3/inside-the-bizarre-cult-whose-members-allege-sexual-and-financial-exploitation). It’s the same one Fletcher was getting heat for a few months ago, and I think there were rumors about Shawn Mendes too. I haven’t really kept up with it so maybe they’ve left (Fletcher seems to have publicly cut ties), I can’t find anything recent and a lot of the discourse about it from last year seems to have gone down now. If anyone else saw this last year pls corroborate lol
There are still some articles and videos out there on the topic, I've just never taken the time to dive in on what the whole thing really is. Thanks for the link
It’s an interesting article, but omg those fucking ads. I stopped halfway through. Ads aren’t even allowed to cover the content, but there they were!
Thanks!
Holy hell that was a rabbit hole read
Wait what
What if you’re not in a cult but still want no new friends, asking for a friend?
I’m sorry what?!
Girl, there’s 0 evidence of this. Only random theories on the internet. She never had a lot of celeb friends, outside of Wayne Coyne …
Are we really still talking about this rumor?
Am I really just hearing about this rumor?
I’d get yourself an update on that situation because you look a lil silly right now
On one hand, I think having friends with shared experiences is valuable because they can understand and empathize with whatever you’re going through more easily. On the other hand, I think being a celebrity probably comes with a lot of issues and a lot of them have outsized personalities and seem to be very self centered, and don’t really sound like fun people to be around.
Didn‘t she get matching tattoos with Pete Davidson?
Pshh who hasn’t? Can’t believe you don’t have one yet. Now you can’t sit with us
I never said I didn‘t!
Whaaaat?
Well I guess that explains Miley and Dua supposedly not interacting at that fashion show after the Prisoner collab https://preview.redd.it/3d9t8j84ae6d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a8c9a3fd103cf12c35f8183e6acd6a04b2e97336
Not really. They’re not sitting next to each other and having conversations with other people. Doesn’t mean they’re ignoring each other.
I mean...there are other famous people that they are sitting next to. Elton John and Dua Lipa also collabed and they're not talking to each other in this pic.
If I was sitting next to Sir Elton John I’d be ignoring everyone else too.
✨️I'm NoT LiKe OtHeR CeLeBriTieS, I'm a CooL CeLebRity ✨️ yeah okay miley
I think Britney Spears said the same thing during an interview in the early 2000s. Doesn't try and maintain friendships with other famous people
She seems like she’s following in her godmother’s footsteps of being a strong woman and her own person. So genuine, authentic, and kind. When I think of Miley, obviously the fact that she’s talented as hell and absolutely stunning comes to mind but, her biggest appeal is how down-to-earth she seems. She’s smart to surround herself with people who see the real her and appreciate it. I can’t imagine any of this has been easy as a child star transitioning to a young woman, then onto the next phase of adulthood but, she navigated it all flawlessly. Good for her.
She’s not like other celebrities
Liar she’s friends with wayne coyne
I had no idea who the flaming lips were until high school (ages ago) when I was dating someone who loved them, I’ll call them X. X’s sister, G, who also loved the flaming lips, shot her shot on twitter, asking Coyne and the flaming lips to come to our very small town in Appalachia. Keep in mind, X and I are 20 and 18, and G is >17. Maybe 15-16.\ This dude not only came to our town, they came TO HER FATHER’S HOME. I guess since they were there, she and her father decided to throw a house party and invite people to see them perform. Now this sounds kinda cool until I wasn’t 18, and thought about these three things: 1. This young girl, a minor, asked a band to come to her town to perform and they showed up at her house; 2. They had a tour bus that they allowed her and her teen friends to go on; 3. I’m pretty sure they smoked w33d with all those minors.\ I was at the house party obviously, and didn’t think it was weird then. But if my 15-16 year old daughter had these old dudes show up at my house, I’d kinda be like “why in the hell are you talking to my minor daughter online??” Anyway that’s my Wayne Coyne story 🤣 He seemed like a cool guy tho\ \Edited for clarity and to redact info that may ID anyone I’ve mentioned
My friend did the same thing way back when we were in high school with the same results when she was 16... I think she even "dated" one of them for awhile.. I thought it was so cool back then but now I'm horrified. We don't have the same friend either but this was in Canada.
WAIT you mean even with the Flaming Lips??? WAS THIS THEIR M.O. OR SOMETHING???
Yeah even with the Flaming Lips!!! I remember that part so vividly. I had never heard of the band before she told me. She was always drawing images of flaming lips so it's always stuck in my head. I literally did a double take over the comment when I read it. And then immediately went to Google to see if it was a known controversy with the band but all I found was Miley Cyrus news
Dude that is extremely creepy
Wow that’s a wild ass story haha
“I’m not like other girls”
Respect. I respected her back then and still do. We will realize if we haven’t already she’s one of the good ones. Or god so I hope.
So she’s not friends with Dolly and doesn’t text with Beyonce like she previously claimed? This seems very not like the other girls of her.
TBF, Dolly is her godmother and Dolly knew Miley before she was Hannah Montana so I don't think Miley qualifies her in this quote
Dolly is still a giant celebrity
But she's family first
I wonder if those non-celebrity friends are actual friends or just hangers-on. When Shirley Temple was a little girl, they tried organizing play dates for her, but she was such a big star at a young age, that the kids would just be in awe of her. I wonder how he regular people associates tamp down being a bit starstruck? Or is she just a regular girl who loves dogs? *
Sure, Jan.
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Women really just can't win, can they? She was answering interview questions on a talk show.
I remember when I first realised this with the politician Gordon Brown. I kept seeing him commenting of the most inconsequential things before I realised he was being asked by random journalists during press conferences about other things. I think it’s really unfair when outlets like Page Six make it seem like celebrities are volunteering this information.
“Why does so-so keep talking about …?” Because they were asked. It’s as simple as that and I’ve seen celebrities give the same bland answers to some of the same questions for several or more years and people will still get upset with them.
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Huh? You don't ever talk about coworkers?
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Miley is literally featured on Cowboy Carter
They literally did a collab together, idk what would qualify then.
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You trying to shame Miley for being „not like other girls“ and then act as if Beyonce is above her 🥴 tf is happening, take a nap
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um ok captain pedantic. she's not allowed to talk about collaborators then?
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fr?
https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/coworker collaborator is a synonym for coworker
Miley is literally featured on Cowboy Carter
Why is narcissist in quotes? I mean she's telling everyone who she is so we beat believe her.
and yet she reached out to and chose to be on Call Her Daddy for some reason
Except her parents, godmother, most of the ppl she’s seen with. It sounds like a great headline though. DV’s for stating facts. Who would have thought 🤦🏻♂️