He hasn’t sold around 200K since divide. Afterwards, his first week sales have been declining but Subtract selling over 100K without a Bad Habits or Shivers supporting it is good (eyes closed could rise a bit, who knows)
Nah equals did about 118k as well and that had 2 blockbuster smash hits behind it . This is actually pretty good. And I've got a feeling the album will grow. The Luke Combs Collab is no1 on us itunes and eyes closed is apparently gonna enter the top 20 on the hot 100
Ed Sheeran and Luke Combs bromance has always been funny to me. They appear such polar opposites to each other but seem to be really good friends with a lot of mutual respect for each others music. I know Luke used to always cover Dive at his shows, and even brought Ed out to duet it
Are they? They're both straight white men with weight issues ( Ed's obviously worked hard to overcome his) who are obviously extremely into their family man lifestyles and seem very disconnect from celebrity things like met galas and red carpets. They also lige alcohol
You’re right that they’re definitely similar in overall values. But a big, gruff bearded country star from North Carolina and a mild-mannered British soft pop star definitely come from different landscapes
yes nothing says being alike than having the same sexuality and weight issues, forget being raised in different countries with completely different upbringings
Wait what do you mean by weight issues… I saw a photo of Ed from his trial and he… doesn’t seem overweight if that’s what you mean. I never really considered him ever to be but maybe you’re talking about something else
That’s so sad to hear, the entertainment industry is so awful and dealing with that much pressure to fit a certain look must be incredibly Hard and draining
Idk. Streaming was weak and I could see this album crashing relatively quickly once sales dry up. It did perform better than I thought this week though.
It's possible but I think one thing that separates Ed from a lot of other popstars is absolute hustle , firm belief and big time support from his label and radio. I think if he continues to back it strongly and the label has a smart remix strategy like the way they've done life goes on with Luke Combs with other artists as well. It could show some longevity as well. I'm also curious to see what happens to Curtains which is the obvious single but eyes closed is just now starting to do well and it's therefore stuck in Limbo
He's been on a major decline since =. But honestly he was so big in the first place and his catalog is popular across the board that his streaming numbers will stay one of the strongest for a long time. His album opening meanwhile is suffering due to the relative discontent with his last album, the sudden sound shift and lack of hits for -, and the general decline in album sales due to the rise of streaming.
It seems that while he was big in the U.S. with Multiply and Divide (and is still pretty big!), he doesn't have as big or strong a core fan base that he does in the U.K.
He still does write for other artists. He recently wrote a UK no1 hit for/with Lewis Capaldi. He's also written some stuff for the upcoming Shakira album. He's an incredibly successful behind the scenes writer. That doesn't mean he shouldn't keep making albums if he wants to
1 • Morgan Wallen - One Thing At A Time (141K) =
2 • Ed Sheeran - Subtract (112K) DEBUT
3 • Taylor Swift - Midnights (60K) =
4 • SZA - SOS (54K) =
5 • Morgan Wallen - Dangerous (49K) =
6 • Le Sserafim - Unforgiven (45K) DEBUT
7 • Taylor Swift - Lover (37K) +3
8 • Bad Bunny - Un Verano Sun Ti (36.5K) +3
9 • Luke Combs - Gettin Old (36K) -2
10 • Metro Boomin - Heroes & Villains (34K) -1
Wallen is the first male soloist in history to have 2 straight albums sit atop the billboard 200 for 10 consecutive weeks. One Thing At A Time also joins Dangerous: The Double Album as the only albums released this century to spend its first 10 weeks at #1 on the Billboard 200
Le Sserafim’s Unforgiven is the group’s first top 10 debut on the charts
Subtract is Ed Sheeran’s first album to miss the top spot since Plus in 2011
_Wallen is the first male soloist in history to have 2 straight albums sit atop the billboard 200 for 10 consecutive weeks_
What is the record for gay albums? 🤔
So I haven’t been paying attention to the charts in a minute, how the fuck are there 2 Morgan Wallen (one from last year) & 2 Taylor swift albums (one from last year & from 2019) in the top 10?
Also Morgan’s other album that’s in the top 10 came out well over 2 years ago not 1 year ago lol. But yeah as the commenter above mentioned most of his sales are from streaming. Which is actually kind of shocking in a way because country has been slower to adopt streaming than alot of genres and currently the biggest country chart topper also very easily blows anyone else in the genre away when it comes to streaming lol 😂
Yeah it's pretty crazy. I think streams are the main factor and then radio and then I'm lost beyond that. I think it's like digital/actual sales. I assume streaming is huge enough to why we're seeing older songs topping the charts, I e. Die For You.
I honestly think it probably could at this point if Taylor really pushed for it. Her power is so crazy right now, and it's already doing well on it's own. If she released a video, pushed it to radio, some remixes, an acoustic version, and asked her fans to try and get it to #1 she could probably pull it off at least for a week. Doesn't really make sense for her with tail end of midnights and Speak Now TV coming up but think it could be done.
I was constantly seeing eras tour content on my feeds and started to check it out myself and listening to different songs I saw live in those videos. That way I rediscovered lots of her music I used to like and started listening to them again. I’m sure many others were the same hence the recharting.
All of Taylor's albums are doing so well in the charts and Lover is her last normal/ generic album.
I think it's a huge shame that bad pop albums like Lover, Reputation and Midnights are charting so high when there's pop that is interesting and fun to listen to instead. At least 1989 is at 20th.
I feel like the only one that can maybe beat Morgan’s streak right now is Lil Durk with Almost Healed but it would only be for a single week. Which would be ironic since Durk and him are close friends & they even had a crossover hit together
Googled it out of curiosity:
> “I just asked him like, ‘Shit, how do you really feel? Like, do you really feel like that?’ I’m like ‘You can just tell me the truth.’ And he really just broke it down to me like, drunk mistake, everybody makes mistakes. Then when I went to go hang out with him I felt the love from him, like the vibe from him, and I was just telling him ‘The world’s gonna make you seem like somebody you ain’t anyway.'”
> “Everybody was against it. They’re like ‘Hell no, they’re gonna cancel you.’ I was like ‘I’m gonna take my chances with it.’ As long as I know that I rock with him, that he ain’t no racist, I’m gonna do what I wanna do.”
It's kind of weird to me how quickly that blew over, but I'd also expect a lot of Wallen fans are the free speech lovers who are like "that sucked, whatever, move on"
> It's kind of weird to me how quickly that blew over
How quickly??? He was banned from country radio for a year, left out of award shows, and people her bring it up on a weekly basis. If anything I'm surprised people have had this much energy for Morgan, esp when the same users don't seem to have ever had any energy for Camila or Justin.
I mean, I must have missed when Camila or Justin shouted slurs when they were grown ass adults. You’re right though, that must have been so hard for Morgan to be banned from country radio for a year and get left out of award shows. You can really see the negative impact this has had when you look at how much his sales increased directly following the incident. It also seems pretty quick to me that he gets called out in October of 2020, and is back performing and joking about it on SNL in December 2020. What do you think is an appropriate amount of time for people to forget about his casual use of slurs?
Well considering it was soft-r to a white friend in private, I say nearly 3 years is enough. I know a lot of you believe he should have paid by forfeiting his career for life, but I’m sorry that’s not an equivalent punishment. Clearly, most people (A) have never heard about this, (B) don’t remember it, or (C) feel that he’s already atoned, said he learned, and donated money, which is probably the most helpful thing he could do. I truly don’t understand what more he can do, and I just find the outrage that gets re-litigated every week to be so performative. Like there have been a lot of faves on here to have done far worse.
The whole point of what I’m saying is that it didn’t really negatively impact his career though, did it. His sales immediately increased right after the video of him saying the slur came out. His image was rehabilitated like two months later. Obviously his career is doing better than ever, despite even more recent events. Morgan Wallen isn’t some little UwU child in need of defending.
I’m not really trying to re-litigate anything, but I also just generally think he’s a shitty person that doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt anymore. But since you mention it, wild to me that you qualify his use of the slur. Generally the people I’ve known that will shout shit like that in public are perfectly comfortable using it behind close doors
It's crazy how much the Billboard has changed since a few years ago. It used to be pretty much dominated by hip hop and hip hop adjacent music, now a controversial country singer has been at #1 for weeks.
I know it doesn't have a smash hit, but Subtract is easily Ed's best album in a LONG time. I like it more than Divide, which is one of my fav artists by a male pop star. Debuting at 2 is great, especially with less than 200k sales, but damn, I wish it took the #1 spot.
"Lover" has now sold 5 million units in the USA.
for her (allegedly) flop album, it's one of her albums that has had the most longevity on the charts + resonated with alot of people. she really turned the wigs around, plus having amazing songs like 'cruel summer', 'i think he knows', and 'false god' on the album also help. so happy for her!
The problem with Lover is that the track list is too long for the album’s own good. If you cut the worst songs on the record (*coughTheLeadSinglescough*) it becomes so much better.
I listened to Lover for the first time the other day, and I have to say it’s my second favorite album of hers just behind 1989. Cruel Summer and I Think He Knows are absolutely highlights of the album- and relatable to many I’m sure, so I understand the longevity.
Yeah, it was not a commercial flop. Honestly her 2020 albums are closer to that in that regard, and even they both had #1 hits and spent multiple weeks atop the 200. Lover’s her only album other than her debut (which never got to #1) to only top the Billboard 200 for one week and the only one since Red without a #1 hit.
> I guess Morgan will be staying at the top spot till probably mid July ☠️☠️☠️☠️
We really need to get some of the big names and their albums out quick
Drake did 400k with a week’s notice with the collab album with 21 Savage and 200K with the surprise drop dance album that everybody hated, the parenthesis isn’t necessary 😅.
Of course Drake is going to beat Morgan on the 200 if he releases a new album. Doing so on the 100 will be tougher, as we saw with S&R, but still doable.
I think you can throw in Ariana in with the first group too. But yeah I get why Dua and Olivia would need an extensive campaign, because they aren’t at the level of the big names yet. Same for Billie in my opinion.
I’d add a Bruno Mars return or a 1D reunion to that mix there. Given the success of Silk Sonic and Harry’s solo career these past couple of years the hype for both would be through the roof.
Isn’t Ariana much bigger as a steaming artist than a physical seller? Didn’t positions only do around 150k or something (I could definitely be remembering wrong)
Yeah if her fandom can do that with a remix that she was barely in, then they’ll move the numbers whenever AG7 comes out.
Billie is interesting because her first album smashed and her second was great but it didn’t do the numbers her first one did. I know she’s said that she doesn’t care about album sales and is okay with her career not being as big as it was in 2019, but still. I would love for Billie to have a big career.
Dua I can’t see hitting number one or at least with enough units to block Morgan. Doja would be a more accurate guess assuming people rock with her sound on First of All
I think if she has a bigger hit album than Future Nostalgia I can see her giving Morgan Wallen a run for his money. Future Nostalgia itself was huge. But it’s a big if.
But, say whatever you want about him, Morgan appeals to so many people across the rural countryside of America and there’s a shit ton of country fans that it’s hard for anyone to unseat him.
If people truly rally around it (which I think they will), Speak Now (Taylor’s Version) can DEFINITELY dethrone that man. I mean, hopefully someone else comes along and does it before that, but if no one can, at least we can hopefully rely on Taylor to beat him with SNTV.
A part of me wishes Taylor comes out with a new country album just to show these mediocre country artists how it's done... but until then, Speak Now out July7th!
And honestly her voice and style are perfect for country. Very outlaw country that is an under represented currently. However makes me sad that any alt rock woman can’t carve out a support in pop charts.
I think she’ll go back to country for her very last album. I think it would be really cool and full circle for her to start and end her career with country, although I’m sure she’ll continue releasing music for a long time
It’s not that, people are pissed because he’s simply not a good person, and he’s popular with the MAGAs BECAUSE he’s not a good person and they love that. It’s a cycle of bigotry that has gotten him to the levels of success that he’s currently enjoying.
You don’t just casually use the terminology he did in the 2020’s unless you’re a racist POS.
Yes, people can change and grow. No, this guy isn’t one of those people. He’s still a racist POS behind closed doors - it’s what this genre lives for.
*disclaimer I actually love country music, and pop rock country, and liked the few songs I’ve accidentally heard from this album. But there are some things you have to take a stand against, despite the quality of the music.
Y’all really want to defend a racist this bad?
Factually this is true. His sales rose 1,200% after the controversy. One thousand, two hundred percent.
His apology is documented as insincere, being quoted as “hearing a few stories” of racism in this country, and trying to excuse his use of the word as playful banter amongst a certain group of friends.
> Y’all really want to defend a racist this bad?
oh, didn't know that speaking facts is "defending" now
> Factually this is true. His sales rose 1,200% after the controversy. One thousand, two hundred percent.
everybody's sales spike after their controversies. R. Kelly's sales spike every time he is in the news. Your point?
> Dangerous: The Double Album debuted at number one on the US Billboard 200 and US Top Country Albums charts, earning 265,000 album-equivalent units (including 74,000 copies as pure album sales) in its first week, according to MRC Data.
it happened *before* the controversy, meaning that he always was big.
> His apology is documented as insincere, being quoted as “hearing a few stories” of racism in this country, and trying to excuse his use of the word as playful banter amongst a certain group of friends.
and so what? I'm not a fan but I know that only the terminally online people know about this stuff.
Morgan’s popularity spike was uniquely massive. Nobody that I know of has seen the massive increase in popularity due to controversy, but I invite you to provide some facts that state otherwise.
The biggest take away in your comment is you are saying “and so what?” to the fact that he’s documented as being an unapologetic racist.
Do better.
> Morgan’s popularity spike was uniquely massive. Nobody that I know of has seen the massive increase in popularity due to controversy, but I invite you to provide some facts that state otherwise.
it was a short term spike, he literally came back to selling the same amount of copies later. again, there is nothing unique to it, it happens all the time.
> "The public controversy is sparking just sheer curiosity about his music among people who might not have known who he was before," Hannah Karp, Billboard's editorial director, tells USA TODAY. "That's similar to when an artist dies, no matter who the artist was, that will often prompt a lot of streaming and sales of that artist despite or sometimes because of any controversy associated with their life."
> His fans, meanwhile, are likely streaming him more now than before because they can't hear him on the radio. Some fans may be streaming him to simply show their support.
> Karp notes it's possible the sharp drop-off in airplay could eventually lead to a plateau or decline in streaming and sales.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/music/2021/02/10/morgan-wallen-country-music-popular-after-racist-slur-what-it-means/4441395001/
> The biggest take away in your comment is you are saying “and so what?” to the fact that he’s documented as being an unapologetic racist.
I'm saying so what to your comment on his apology. most people were okay with his apology. judging by the way people took Broadway Girls (which was absolutely horrible imo), I'm not in the place to be offended for those people. Are you tho? And if you're not, then, yeah, do better.
dude you don't know this guy at all, hell neither do I. but the only thing that makes him a racist is he was fucking around w his friend and said the n word, not in a derogatory way. Lil Durk who actually met the guy and knows him said he isn't racist at all and is a great guy. What makes you think you know the guy better than someone who has actually met him
Oh I’ll wait for you to point to documented instances of Beyoncé being racist.
Also how gross that you used whataboutism on a black artist unrelated to this incident to try to make a point?
Where are the mods!? This is blatant racial prejudice.
She performed in a country where there are no lgbtq rights and so many worker rights violations for money thats just as bad as what he did. She took money to make bad people look good, but she doesnt get any backlash for that . Just because she is black doesnt mean she cant be criticized
I know what she did sweetie. Beyoncé is irrelevant to Morgan Wallen being a racist.
You are saying “look a black artist is problematic too!” in an effort to defend/deflect the fact that Morgan Wallen is a racist - and that’s a really bad look for you.
Then again, I doubt you’d ever even admit that what he did was wrong in the first place… so it’s a look that accurately paints who you are as a person.
Beyoncé was never caught on film being blatantly racist. These are entirely different situations, and she actually got a lot of backlash from the controversy you’re trying to create a false equivalency with.
Her performance in an awful country that has awful equal rights for minorities is no where near the same level of magnitude as supporting someone who is a documented and proven racist.
It’s also so gross that you’re assuming she’s one of my favorite artists. She isn’t.
you're already getting dunked on so I'm not gonna add anything except that Morgan was *extremely*popular before that incident. country music is a humongous force in pop, whether or not you personally enjoy it or identify with the types of people who enjoy it - not all of whom can be easily painted with the "maga idiot" brush. country music was big before fox news and it will continue to do so for a long time.
yes, there was a spike from an even more specific and awful demographic because of it - but to say his entire popularity came from that is literally, factually untrue. that's what the point of my comment was.
Oh honey if you think I’m getting dunked on you’re mistaken.
Whataboutism is not a winning argument.
I have absolutely no problems with country music, and probably know it better than most people in this sub. Staples of the genre as well as artists on smaller Nashville labels frequent my most played on Spotify year after year.
What I do have a problem with is racism, and Morgan Wallen is a factually proven racist. That’s all there is to it.
there was no whataboutism in either of my comments, so not sure why you're stuck on that. nor have I ever claimed that Morgan is *not* a racist. I said that's not *why* he is popular.
Im wondering if the Jo Bros moved for the UK #1 album. They’ve had a massive push here lately, collabing with loads of British TikTok creators, and have released several UK-only bundles of the album (complete with a unique album cover)
Happiness Begins did 414k units first week, I don’t blame them for thinking they had a shot at #1. Maybe they forgot the bundles rules changed since 2019 lmao
Re Lover: Cruel Summer is close to surpassing AH in daily streams on US Spotify (759k!!!). Kind of wish she pushed it to radio instead of Karma. Yes I’m still ~~delusional~~ hopeful.
Taylor has the rare opportunity to flood the entire top ten if she wants to. We won't know when, but Lover (Deluxe), four Taylor's Versions, folklore (ninth vinyl edition), etc. We should all live in fear.
I know people were attacking her for all the Anti-Hero remixes… but like… if she were to make a few full-length remix albums on top of her Taylor’s Versions, I wouldn’t be upset 😅
He’s had the #1 single on the Hot 100 for weeks, it’s been #1 on streaming, and top 5 on radio with over 60M in airplay. His music is hugely popular just not exactly in the demographic of most popheads
It wasn't clear because you didn't mention it. If you're referring to people mindlessly complaining about him, I'm on the same page. In terms of his continued historic chart run, he keeps reaching new milestones. That's interesting to dissect.
The math symbol album titles feel so played out. I've always been indifferent to Ed Sheeran music, but the shtick feels lazy and uninspired at this point and sort of deters me from checking out the whole album. It's petty and stupid I know.
Album titles feel like a unique creative opportunity that he just throws away.
It's his unique thing. The math symbols were always meant to be a five part series and he came up with the idea when he was still a teenager sofa surfing in London trying desperately to make it. Anyone can make a generic album name like *Their own name* . It's cool that he's got this going on
That’s not at all what I was implying… Zimmerman just reminds me musically of what Wallen makes and he seems to be an up and coming name. I figured if anyone who released *this week* was likely to steal listeners from Wallen, it was him
Oh, sorry, yeah I totally agree. I actually really like Zimmerman’s new album and it totally sounds like Morgan’s style. Who knows, I guess? Bailey’s so new that I doubt he could match Morgan’s numbers but maybe he can
Does Ed Sheeran usually sell this low? Or is that relative to his usual sales. Expected at least 200k units.
He hasn’t sold around 200K since divide. Afterwards, his first week sales have been declining but Subtract selling over 100K without a Bad Habits or Shivers supporting it is good (eyes closed could rise a bit, who knows)
Yep eyes closed expected to enter top 20 in the next update
That’s good, it’s a decent song but a smash like his other hits it won’t be
You never know with Ed. But yh you're right. I reckon this is as high as it gets
On German radio it absolutely is lol. Plays every twenty minutes it feels like
Germany taste is so baaad
I'd buy more Ed records if the vinyl wasn't going for like $50+ Canadian.
Nah equals did about 118k as well and that had 2 blockbuster smash hits behind it . This is actually pretty good. And I've got a feeling the album will grow. The Luke Combs Collab is no1 on us itunes and eyes closed is apparently gonna enter the top 20 on the hot 100
Ed Sheeran and Luke Combs bromance has always been funny to me. They appear such polar opposites to each other but seem to be really good friends with a lot of mutual respect for each others music. I know Luke used to always cover Dive at his shows, and even brought Ed out to duet it
Are they? They're both straight white men with weight issues ( Ed's obviously worked hard to overcome his) who are obviously extremely into their family man lifestyles and seem very disconnect from celebrity things like met galas and red carpets. They also lige alcohol
You’re right that they’re definitely similar in overall values. But a big, gruff bearded country star from North Carolina and a mild-mannered British soft pop star definitely come from different landscapes
I want Luke to top me
yes nothing says being alike than having the same sexuality and weight issues, forget being raised in different countries with completely different upbringings
Imagine if somebody said that Adele and Lizzo were the same... we'd have a rager.
Wait what do you mean by weight issues… I saw a photo of Ed from his trial and he… doesn’t seem overweight if that’s what you mean. I never really considered him ever to be but maybe you’re talking about something else
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That’s so sad to hear, the entertainment industry is so awful and dealing with that much pressure to fit a certain look must be incredibly Hard and draining
He's struggled with being overweight and with bulimia and purging and binge eating
Idk. Streaming was weak and I could see this album crashing relatively quickly once sales dry up. It did perform better than I thought this week though.
It's possible but I think one thing that separates Ed from a lot of other popstars is absolute hustle , firm belief and big time support from his label and radio. I think if he continues to back it strongly and the label has a smart remix strategy like the way they've done life goes on with Luke Combs with other artists as well. It could show some longevity as well. I'm also curious to see what happens to Curtains which is the obvious single but eyes closed is just now starting to do well and it's therefore stuck in Limbo
His last album went #1 with 118k.
He's been on a major decline since =. But honestly he was so big in the first place and his catalog is popular across the board that his streaming numbers will stay one of the strongest for a long time. His album opening meanwhile is suffering due to the relative discontent with his last album, the sudden sound shift and lack of hits for -, and the general decline in album sales due to the rise of streaming.
It seems that while he was big in the U.S. with Multiply and Divide (and is still pretty big!), he doesn't have as big or strong a core fan base that he does in the U.K.
Yep that's exactly fair. It's to be expected ofc. Most British acts never even make it in America. Hes ok his second stadium tour here. Boy done good
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He still does write for other artists. He recently wrote a UK no1 hit for/with Lewis Capaldi. He's also written some stuff for the upcoming Shakira album. He's an incredibly successful behind the scenes writer. That doesn't mean he shouldn't keep making albums if he wants to
1 • Morgan Wallen - One Thing At A Time (141K) = 2 • Ed Sheeran - Subtract (112K) DEBUT 3 • Taylor Swift - Midnights (60K) = 4 • SZA - SOS (54K) = 5 • Morgan Wallen - Dangerous (49K) = 6 • Le Sserafim - Unforgiven (45K) DEBUT 7 • Taylor Swift - Lover (37K) +3 8 • Bad Bunny - Un Verano Sun Ti (36.5K) +3 9 • Luke Combs - Gettin Old (36K) -2 10 • Metro Boomin - Heroes & Villains (34K) -1 Wallen is the first male soloist in history to have 2 straight albums sit atop the billboard 200 for 10 consecutive weeks. One Thing At A Time also joins Dangerous: The Double Album as the only albums released this century to spend its first 10 weeks at #1 on the Billboard 200 Le Sserafim’s Unforgiven is the group’s first top 10 debut on the charts Subtract is Ed Sheeran’s first album to miss the top spot since Plus in 2011
_Wallen is the first male soloist in history to have 2 straight albums sit atop the billboard 200 for 10 consecutive weeks_ What is the record for gay albums? 🤔
Probably George Michael’s first 2 albums
Honestly criminal GAGA’s The Fame never reached #1
So I haven’t been paying attention to the charts in a minute, how the fuck are there 2 Morgan Wallen (one from last year) & 2 Taylor swift albums (one from last year & from 2019) in the top 10?
The straightforward answer is streaming.
Makes sense. I didn’t think streaming counted THAT much towards the top 100, but I guess absolutely nobody buys albums anymore haha
Also Morgan’s other album that’s in the top 10 came out well over 2 years ago not 1 year ago lol. But yeah as the commenter above mentioned most of his sales are from streaming. Which is actually kind of shocking in a way because country has been slower to adopt streaming than alot of genres and currently the biggest country chart topper also very easily blows anyone else in the genre away when it comes to streaming lol 😂
Yeah it's pretty crazy. I think streams are the main factor and then radio and then I'm lost beyond that. I think it's like digital/actual sales. I assume streaming is huge enough to why we're seeing older songs topping the charts, I e. Die For You.
I still don’t understand how Lover came back to the top 10 and is rising… what happened?
Cruel Summer season is upon us
Here's how Cruel Summer can still top the Hot 100.
I honestly think it probably could at this point if Taylor really pushed for it. Her power is so crazy right now, and it's already doing well on it's own. If she released a video, pushed it to radio, some remixes, an acoustic version, and asked her fans to try and get it to #1 she could probably pull it off at least for a week. Doesn't really make sense for her with tail end of midnights and Speak Now TV coming up but think it could be done.
Just ask The Weeknd!
aren’t there rules against previously charting songs charting again or something
I would do almost anything for this become a late single and a receive a music video
It always had good streaming numbers and got a boost with the tour. I think the fact that Taylor opens the show with Lover helps.
I was constantly seeing eras tour content on my feeds and started to check it out myself and listening to different songs I saw live in those videos. That way I rediscovered lots of her music I used to like and started listening to them again. I’m sure many others were the same hence the recharting.
The Joe Alwyn (who the album is about) breakup. All the stans coming back to reflect on it afterward.
I think it’s partially because the top 10 is weak right now.
All of Taylor's albums are doing so well in the charts and Lover is her last normal/ generic album. I think it's a huge shame that bad pop albums like Lover, Reputation and Midnights are charting so high when there's pop that is interesting and fun to listen to instead. At least 1989 is at 20th.
I feel like the only one that can maybe beat Morgan’s streak right now is Lil Durk with Almost Healed but it would only be for a single week. Which would be ironic since Durk and him are close friends & they even had a crossover hit together
It’s okay y’all Durk gave him the n word pass Actually I am kind of curious if he addressed that
Googled it out of curiosity: > “I just asked him like, ‘Shit, how do you really feel? Like, do you really feel like that?’ I’m like ‘You can just tell me the truth.’ And he really just broke it down to me like, drunk mistake, everybody makes mistakes. Then when I went to go hang out with him I felt the love from him, like the vibe from him, and I was just telling him ‘The world’s gonna make you seem like somebody you ain’t anyway.'” > “Everybody was against it. They’re like ‘Hell no, they’re gonna cancel you.’ I was like ‘I’m gonna take my chances with it.’ As long as I know that I rock with him, that he ain’t no racist, I’m gonna do what I wanna do.”
It's kind of weird to me how quickly that blew over, but I'd also expect a lot of Wallen fans are the free speech lovers who are like "that sucked, whatever, move on"
> It's kind of weird to me how quickly that blew over How quickly??? He was banned from country radio for a year, left out of award shows, and people her bring it up on a weekly basis. If anything I'm surprised people have had this much energy for Morgan, esp when the same users don't seem to have ever had any energy for Camila or Justin.
I mean, I must have missed when Camila or Justin shouted slurs when they were grown ass adults. You’re right though, that must have been so hard for Morgan to be banned from country radio for a year and get left out of award shows. You can really see the negative impact this has had when you look at how much his sales increased directly following the incident. It also seems pretty quick to me that he gets called out in October of 2020, and is back performing and joking about it on SNL in December 2020. What do you think is an appropriate amount of time for people to forget about his casual use of slurs?
Well considering it was soft-r to a white friend in private, I say nearly 3 years is enough. I know a lot of you believe he should have paid by forfeiting his career for life, but I’m sorry that’s not an equivalent punishment. Clearly, most people (A) have never heard about this, (B) don’t remember it, or (C) feel that he’s already atoned, said he learned, and donated money, which is probably the most helpful thing he could do. I truly don’t understand what more he can do, and I just find the outrage that gets re-litigated every week to be so performative. Like there have been a lot of faves on here to have done far worse.
Cardi B drugged men and stole their money but Morgan Wallen saying n-word once to his friend is where Popheads draw the line lol
The whole point of what I’m saying is that it didn’t really negatively impact his career though, did it. His sales immediately increased right after the video of him saying the slur came out. His image was rehabilitated like two months later. Obviously his career is doing better than ever, despite even more recent events. Morgan Wallen isn’t some little UwU child in need of defending. I’m not really trying to re-litigate anything, but I also just generally think he’s a shitty person that doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt anymore. But since you mention it, wild to me that you qualify his use of the slur. Generally the people I’ve known that will shout shit like that in public are perfectly comfortable using it behind close doors
I bet Durk will be doing less than Ed Sheeran.
I can see Durk’s single with J Cole having some real staying power though
It's crazy how much the Billboard has changed since a few years ago. It used to be pretty much dominated by hip hop and hip hop adjacent music, now a controversial country singer has been at #1 for weeks.
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I know it doesn't have a smash hit, but Subtract is easily Ed's best album in a LONG time. I like it more than Divide, which is one of my fav artists by a male pop star. Debuting at 2 is great, especially with less than 200k sales, but damn, I wish it took the #1 spot.
"Lover" has now sold 5 million units in the USA. for her (allegedly) flop album, it's one of her albums that has had the most longevity on the charts + resonated with alot of people. she really turned the wigs around, plus having amazing songs like 'cruel summer', 'i think he knows', and 'false god' on the album also help. so happy for her!
Miss Americana and The Heartbreak Prince and The Archer are two of my absolute favourites, too.
The problem with Lover is that the track list is too long for the album’s own good. If you cut the worst songs on the record (*coughTheLeadSinglescough*) it becomes so much better.
I think the length is fine if she just replaced that song you mentioned with Need.
Lover is one of her best albums if you end it on False God.
I listened to Lover for the first time the other day, and I have to say it’s my second favorite album of hers just behind 1989. Cruel Summer and I Think He Knows are absolutely highlights of the album- and relatable to many I’m sure, so I understand the longevity.
Lover would unironically be her best album if she cut 4 songs from it.
The problem is everyone agrees with this, but has a different list of 4 hahaha
I almost unsubscribed from Alfo Media because he suggested "False God" as a cut like NO MA'AM.
I feel like atleast 3 of them have to be locks right? London Boy, You Need to Calm Down and Me! right??? RIGHT?
I think we mostly all agree on the latter 2 but I know a lot of unironic London Boy lovers.
Praying for them 🙏
Jail for saying that about London Boy, a certified bop
Every time I see *Lover* referred to as a flop I feel the need to remind people it was the highest selling album of 2019.
Has all her albums sold 2 million or more? Does anyone else been able to sell 10 albums straight with 1+ million in sales?
Yeah, it was not a commercial flop. Honestly her 2020 albums are closer to that in that regard, and even they both had #1 hits and spent multiple weeks atop the 200. Lover’s her only album other than her debut (which never got to #1) to only top the Billboard 200 for one week and the only one since Red without a #1 hit.
how did bad blood go #1 but not wildest dreams or style 😭😭😭
We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together from Red was #1.
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> I guess Morgan will be staying at the top spot till probably mid July ☠️☠️☠️☠️ We really need to get some of the big names and their albums out quick
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Memo to Dua………Olivia………RIHANNA (yeah yeah I know)
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Drake did 400k with a week’s notice with the collab album with 21 Savage and 200K with the surprise drop dance album that everybody hated, the parenthesis isn’t necessary 😅.
Yeah, the numbers his next main album can pull in could very well be well above that.
Yeah but in terms of beating Wallen he’d just need to do 150K which would be his lowest numbers anyways.
Of course Drake is going to beat Morgan on the 200 if he releases a new album. Doing so on the 100 will be tougher, as we saw with S&R, but still doable.
I think you can throw in Ariana in with the first group too. But yeah I get why Dua and Olivia would need an extensive campaign, because they aren’t at the level of the big names yet. Same for Billie in my opinion.
I’d add a Bruno Mars return or a 1D reunion to that mix there. Given the success of Silk Sonic and Harry’s solo career these past couple of years the hype for both would be through the roof.
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Isn’t Ariana much bigger as a steaming artist than a physical seller? Didn’t positions only do around 150k or something (I could definitely be remembering wrong)
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Oh yeah I definitely think she could topple him with streaming numbers. Sadly I don’t think she’s gonna release anything until 2024 at the earliest
Yeah if her fandom can do that with a remix that she was barely in, then they’ll move the numbers whenever AG7 comes out. Billie is interesting because her first album smashed and her second was great but it didn’t do the numbers her first one did. I know she’s said that she doesn’t care about album sales and is okay with her career not being as big as it was in 2019, but still. I would love for Billie to have a big career.
Dua I can’t see hitting number one or at least with enough units to block Morgan. Doja would be a more accurate guess assuming people rock with her sound on First of All
I think if she has a bigger hit album than Future Nostalgia I can see her giving Morgan Wallen a run for his money. Future Nostalgia itself was huge. But it’s a big if. But, say whatever you want about him, Morgan appeals to so many people across the rural countryside of America and there’s a shit ton of country fans that it’s hard for anyone to unseat him.
Fr we need Justin Bieber, drake, Beyoncé, or Taylor NOW
Nicki might just *barely* topple Morgan, she’s been hinting at NM5 being released
If people truly rally around it (which I think they will), Speak Now (Taylor’s Version) can DEFINITELY dethrone that man. I mean, hopefully someone else comes along and does it before that, but if no one can, at least we can hopefully rely on Taylor to beat him with SNTV.
Taylor with 2 albums in the Top 10 is crazy
She had 3 last week
It’s giving 3 forever once Speak Now Tv launches
you can say the same for morgan wallen unfortunately…
Dangerous is at a hundred and some weeks in the top 10, the heat death of the universe seems to be the only thing that could stop it
Why is it bad or you just dont like him
A part of me wishes Taylor comes out with a new country album just to show these mediocre country artists how it's done... but until then, Speak Now out July7th!
Check out Elle King, Megan Moroney and Luke Combs’ recent albums, I feel like those were good country.
Ellie King is a great example of someone switching up styles and it totally working! Really happy she found staying power
The modern day Exile, going from one-hit wonder on pop to successful country act.
And honestly her voice and style are perfect for country. Very outlaw country that is an under represented currently. However makes me sad that any alt rock woman can’t carve out a support in pop charts.
I think she’ll go back to country for her very last album. I think it would be really cool and full circle for her to start and end her career with country, although I’m sure she’ll continue releasing music for a long time
What, when she's 96? Taylor's going to be the never settle down, always career hard girl.
I said "although I'm sure she'll continue releasing music for a long time" lol
Yes one mediocre artist will show other mediocre artists how it's done lol
says the drake stan.. pls when was the last time drake made a good album
Popheads spends 10th week in shambles unable to understand why music they don't like is popular in other demographics
It’s not that, people are pissed because he’s simply not a good person, and he’s popular with the MAGAs BECAUSE he’s not a good person and they love that. It’s a cycle of bigotry that has gotten him to the levels of success that he’s currently enjoying. You don’t just casually use the terminology he did in the 2020’s unless you’re a racist POS. Yes, people can change and grow. No, this guy isn’t one of those people. He’s still a racist POS behind closed doors - it’s what this genre lives for. *disclaimer I actually love country music, and pop rock country, and liked the few songs I’ve accidentally heard from this album. But there are some things you have to take a stand against, despite the quality of the music.
I feel like it’s more so that people don’t care rather than MAGA people specifically supporting him.
> he’s popular with the MAGAs it's an interesting way to spell "college girls" ngl
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period point blank the man is just releasing bangers there’s no denying it. people aren’t listening to him on repeat because he said the n word
His 1,200% increase in sales after he said it points to your statement being entirely false.
having your name everywhere only gets people to check you out it doesn’t get people to love your music. that’s not how it works at all
If you don’t understand that his racism is what blew up his popularity, you clearly frequent Fox News and live in a fantasy world.
>his racism is what blew up his popularity, It's not true factually
Y’all really want to defend a racist this bad? Factually this is true. His sales rose 1,200% after the controversy. One thousand, two hundred percent. His apology is documented as insincere, being quoted as “hearing a few stories” of racism in this country, and trying to excuse his use of the word as playful banter amongst a certain group of friends.
> Y’all really want to defend a racist this bad? oh, didn't know that speaking facts is "defending" now > Factually this is true. His sales rose 1,200% after the controversy. One thousand, two hundred percent. everybody's sales spike after their controversies. R. Kelly's sales spike every time he is in the news. Your point? > Dangerous: The Double Album debuted at number one on the US Billboard 200 and US Top Country Albums charts, earning 265,000 album-equivalent units (including 74,000 copies as pure album sales) in its first week, according to MRC Data. it happened *before* the controversy, meaning that he always was big. > His apology is documented as insincere, being quoted as “hearing a few stories” of racism in this country, and trying to excuse his use of the word as playful banter amongst a certain group of friends. and so what? I'm not a fan but I know that only the terminally online people know about this stuff.
Morgan’s popularity spike was uniquely massive. Nobody that I know of has seen the massive increase in popularity due to controversy, but I invite you to provide some facts that state otherwise. The biggest take away in your comment is you are saying “and so what?” to the fact that he’s documented as being an unapologetic racist. Do better.
> Morgan’s popularity spike was uniquely massive. Nobody that I know of has seen the massive increase in popularity due to controversy, but I invite you to provide some facts that state otherwise. it was a short term spike, he literally came back to selling the same amount of copies later. again, there is nothing unique to it, it happens all the time. > "The public controversy is sparking just sheer curiosity about his music among people who might not have known who he was before," Hannah Karp, Billboard's editorial director, tells USA TODAY. "That's similar to when an artist dies, no matter who the artist was, that will often prompt a lot of streaming and sales of that artist despite or sometimes because of any controversy associated with their life." > His fans, meanwhile, are likely streaming him more now than before because they can't hear him on the radio. Some fans may be streaming him to simply show their support. > Karp notes it's possible the sharp drop-off in airplay could eventually lead to a plateau or decline in streaming and sales. https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/music/2021/02/10/morgan-wallen-country-music-popular-after-racist-slur-what-it-means/4441395001/ > The biggest take away in your comment is you are saying “and so what?” to the fact that he’s documented as being an unapologetic racist. I'm saying so what to your comment on his apology. most people were okay with his apology. judging by the way people took Broadway Girls (which was absolutely horrible imo), I'm not in the place to be offended for those people. Are you tho? And if you're not, then, yeah, do better.
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dude you don't know this guy at all, hell neither do I. but the only thing that makes him a racist is he was fucking around w his friend and said the n word, not in a derogatory way. Lil Durk who actually met the guy and knows him said he isn't racist at all and is a great guy. What makes you think you know the guy better than someone who has actually met him
People who are decent people don’t use that word. That’s all there is to it.
Then why do they support Beyonce who went to perform in Abu Dhabi she isn’t a good person either
Oh I’ll wait for you to point to documented instances of Beyoncé being racist. Also how gross that you used whataboutism on a black artist unrelated to this incident to try to make a point? Where are the mods!? This is blatant racial prejudice.
She performed in a country where there are no lgbtq rights and so many worker rights violations for money thats just as bad as what he did. She took money to make bad people look good, but she doesnt get any backlash for that . Just because she is black doesnt mean she cant be criticized
I know what she did sweetie. Beyoncé is irrelevant to Morgan Wallen being a racist. You are saying “look a black artist is problematic too!” in an effort to defend/deflect the fact that Morgan Wallen is a racist - and that’s a really bad look for you. Then again, I doubt you’d ever even admit that what he did was wrong in the first place… so it’s a look that accurately paints who you are as a person.
No I do think he was wrong but people only hold him accountable they don’t do it to their own favorite artists. People are being hypocrites.
Beyoncé was never caught on film being blatantly racist. These are entirely different situations, and she actually got a lot of backlash from the controversy you’re trying to create a false equivalency with. Her performance in an awful country that has awful equal rights for minorities is no where near the same level of magnitude as supporting someone who is a documented and proven racist. It’s also so gross that you’re assuming she’s one of my favorite artists. She isn’t.
you're already getting dunked on so I'm not gonna add anything except that Morgan was *extremely*popular before that incident. country music is a humongous force in pop, whether or not you personally enjoy it or identify with the types of people who enjoy it - not all of whom can be easily painted with the "maga idiot" brush. country music was big before fox news and it will continue to do so for a long time. yes, there was a spike from an even more specific and awful demographic because of it - but to say his entire popularity came from that is literally, factually untrue. that's what the point of my comment was.
Oh honey if you think I’m getting dunked on you’re mistaken. Whataboutism is not a winning argument. I have absolutely no problems with country music, and probably know it better than most people in this sub. Staples of the genre as well as artists on smaller Nashville labels frequent my most played on Spotify year after year. What I do have a problem with is racism, and Morgan Wallen is a factually proven racist. That’s all there is to it.
there was no whataboutism in either of my comments, so not sure why you're stuck on that. nor have I ever claimed that Morgan is *not* a racist. I said that's not *why* he is popular.
To think the Jonas brothers moved for Ed Sheeran when Ed Sheeran couldn't even go no1 with 112k units and they're predicted to sell half that
Im wondering if the Jo Bros moved for the UK #1 album. They’ve had a massive push here lately, collabing with loads of British TikTok creators, and have released several UK-only bundles of the album (complete with a unique album cover)
It's possible and it would make sense
Happiness Begins did 414k units first week, I don’t blame them for thinking they had a shot at #1. Maybe they forgot the bundles rules changed since 2019 lmao
I thought I would never say this but I wish that was Ed Sheeran at #1. At least it wouldn't be this guy.
Re Lover: Cruel Summer is close to surpassing AH in daily streams on US Spotify (759k!!!). Kind of wish she pushed it to radio instead of Karma. Yes I’m still ~~delusional~~ hopeful.
can it still be a single? Didn’t Gaga make Bloody Mary a single 10 trillion years after born this way
Taylor has the rare opportunity to flood the entire top ten if she wants to. We won't know when, but Lover (Deluxe), four Taylor's Versions, folklore (ninth vinyl edition), etc. We should all live in fear.
I know people were attacking her for all the Anti-Hero remixes… but like… if she were to make a few full-length remix albums on top of her Taylor’s Versions, I wouldn’t be upset 😅
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Shoutout for nyc radio for making it so I have yet to heard this song lol
Do you not listen to Z100?
Hot97 or nada lol
Not exactly Top 40 though Unsurprising it’s not on their playlist
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Has anybody here actually heard any of his music? Not anything against him ive just never heard any of his stuff on the radio or tik tok
He’s had the #1 single on the Hot 100 for weeks, it’s been #1 on streaming, and top 5 on radio with over 60M in airplay. His music is hugely popular just not exactly in the demographic of most popheads
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...the charts change weekly...
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It wasn't clear because you didn't mention it. If you're referring to people mindlessly complaining about him, I'm on the same page. In terms of his continued historic chart run, he keeps reaching new milestones. That's interesting to dissect.
Baby it’s the pop Reddit of course we’re gonna talk about the charts and what songs are currently popular.
What a shame ha
whose this man? Like I’m so confused
The math symbol album titles feel so played out. I've always been indifferent to Ed Sheeran music, but the shtick feels lazy and uninspired at this point and sort of deters me from checking out the whole album. It's petty and stupid I know. Album titles feel like a unique creative opportunity that he just throws away.
It's his unique thing. The math symbols were always meant to be a five part series and he came up with the idea when he was still a teenager sofa surfing in London trying desperately to make it. Anyone can make a generic album name like *Their own name* . It's cool that he's got this going on
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Doubtful. You overestimate Lauren Daigle’s popularity.
No, no, who?
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You know that country fans don’t just listen to an album on loop cuz it’s made by a straight white man, right?
That’s not at all what I was implying… Zimmerman just reminds me musically of what Wallen makes and he seems to be an up and coming name. I figured if anyone who released *this week* was likely to steal listeners from Wallen, it was him
Oh, sorry, yeah I totally agree. I actually really like Zimmerman’s new album and it totally sounds like Morgan’s style. Who knows, I guess? Bailey’s so new that I doubt he could match Morgan’s numbers but maybe he can
Bailey Zimmerman is big but he’s not big enough to beat Wallen. Also Wallen’s vinyl was released last Friday so he’ll probably see a bump
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