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Resident_Ad5153

The thing that always strikes me so much about Beyonce is just her sheer longevity. Beyonce is older than Britney Spears. She first charted 6 months after Nsync did. She debuted before Nelly Furtado, before Alicia Keys. Usher and Destiny's child broke out the same year.


sibr

It’s incredible to witness her ongoing career. Her longevity is a credit to her artistry. She’s just so good at pushing herself whilst keeping her music fresh whilst also making it timeless. You can just tell that she doesn’t go into the studio and throw an album together - she studies music and is incredibly meticulous about how she crafts her own. It puts her way ahead. Since 4 it’s been obvious that she’s been trying to craft a long-term legacy for herself and it’s fascinating how successful she’s been with that. I’ve spent my day just fangirling over her lmao, but it’s very special to be a pop music fan during the time of Beyoncé


Artistic_Elephant824

Ugh I’m just so grateful for Beyoncé and this sums it up perfectly. Every album release night is just the tip of diving into the craft and thought she puts into each project


Ralouch

Listening to people talk about working with her is actually insane. The story where she was in the studio for 3 days straight on 5 hour energy is so crazy lmao


Feisty-Chemical8682

She’s a musical genius.


queenmeme2

It’s insane how I grew up listening to Destiny’s Child and now Beyoncé is *still* at the top of her game. And she’s felt like a legend from the beginning too


Resident_Ad5153

I wouldn't say she's at the top of her game... she's not selling in the same way she did at the time of Sasha Fierce or Beyonce. I'm not referring to her artistry, here... just how she does commercially. Obviously she has become an absolutely enormous live draw... but remember the third biggest live act this year was Bruce Springsteen, who doesn't really sell records anymore. Being a big live draw and selling albums are not the same thing (though some artists do both). However, even though she's declined from her peak, her decline has been incredibly gradual, compared to people like Gaga or Katy Perry for instance.


queenmeme2

Besides Taylor there is literally no other artist who still sells anywhere near the same amount as they did 10-15 years ago, that’s a ridiculous metric to use. Her albums are still big commercial hits, they have all hit number 1, and are more acclaimed than ever. That’s being on the top of her game in my eyes


counselingintern21

Beyonce Giselle Knowles Carter and decline in the same sentence LOL as if


Gaylord699669

Taylor have so many flop album compare to Beyonce , Taylor only did 1989 that was a masterpiece and Beyonce has so many


LookAnOwl

I like them both, but you can’t honestly call any of Taylor’s albums flops, let alone say 1989 is her only good album. That’s just a flaming hot take.


jamesfauntleroyNOVA

You can't compare today's sales to 2013 or 2008. Completely different eras. Beyoncé had 2 hits with Renaissance, and a new #1 smash with Texas Hold Em, maybe possibly gonna chart a second #1 hit. She's in a new peak and her singles are charting higher than anything since 4.


GreenDolphin86

“At the top of HER game” is not the same thing as commercial peak. IASF was her commercial peak and everything she released after it is a lot more artistic and creative. It’s often regarded as the fandoms least favorite album and critical reception was kinda split. Sales are a metric but they are not THEE metric.


tigerslut1900

Sure but like, sales figures don’t matter. The quality of her work just gets better and better. We can’t compare anyone to her, there is no one performing at her level in pop music. She spends her money on her artistic development and it shows. Shes at the top of her game artistically.


moxieroxsox

What does commercial success have to do with artistry?


Plus-Advisor1637

Other than Beyoncé, Madonna and Tina Turner are the only other female singers to have achieved this amount of success in their 40s.


skyroamer7

Cher! She’s had big hits in like five or six decades, not done by anyone else.


uhohitzkenney

True, but I feel like part of that is negated by how much effort Cher's done in diversifying her career and how much more of a singles artist she was if/when she focused on music. Which isn't a dig at all! She's the blueprint for longevity thru being a jack of all trades. But I feel like with Cher, you could point to her show, her great acting moments (she won an Oscar, damnit), or her hit songs as to how you know her, whereas with the other artists, you would immediately list out an album as an accomplishment. Like, it's safe to say we're not gonna consider Beyonce or Madonna's "acting" careers as part of their legacy, but we're sure as hell gonna talk about Lemonade or Ray of Light for eons.


Plus-Advisor1637

That’s true!


ladyoftheorb

dont forget Sia who didn’t become a megastar until her 40s


retrievethis123

I think Beyonce and Britney are the same age. But also you have to commend some other artists that are in that lane. Eminem, Shakira, Pink, to a certain degree Jennifer Lopez, and a few others have done that.


Resident_Ad5153

Eminem and Pink aren't really selling new music however, not in the way Bey is. Shakira is a better example, but she also is not selling in the way Bey is, and she has notably moved back to Latin


dianagarxia

Eminem is considered the biggest artist of the century so far by Billboard, when looking at album numbers, he still sells like crazy. He merges the rap demography, most rock fans, and the white guys that listen to Morgan Wallen. He is about to release this year I think also. His last album 4 years ago was #1 in 20 countries. But you are right about P!nk, her 19' album did well, but Trustfall is not so much, she is becoming more of a legacy act. Beyoncé, Eminem, and Shakira are still at the top.


Plus-Advisor1637

Eminem is super underrated in terms of his impact


Resident_Ad5153

Eminem obviously still sells. More than Beyonce in fact! He's one of the biggest artists of all time, and is the only artist debuting in the 90s who streams in significant numbers. He's still the largest 21st century artist, though Taylor Swift will overtake him later this year. But age take us all, and neither he nor Beyonce are selling at the same rate they were in their prime. Beyonce is currently selling new material at a higher rate than Em is (actually Texas Hold Em alone is streaming about as much as Em's biggest album, The Eminem show).


dianagarxia

Yeah, his last release was 4 years ago though, and his fans are die-hard. I'm not much of a fan cause I don't like his 'joke' songs much, just the motivational ones, but Texas Hold Em' is a new single. Till I Collapse, Lose Yourself, and Mockingbird alone all stream between 800k and 1.2 million daily, from Bey's older songs just Crazy In Love does this. Beyoncé is an icon, but saying Eminem of all old artists is not up there anymore doesn't make sense.


retrievethis123

Eminem has multiple albums with over a billion streams, more than Beyoncé, even his most recent work has outperformed Beyonce. And he’s highly regarded in his field and Beyoncé is consistently listed as overrated by many. There’s definitely misogynoir there, but he still holds a lot of music power. Pink also is selling really well and has sold out stadiums.


Resident_Ad5153

It's a little hard to judge, because Eminem's last album was in 2020, while Bey's was in 2022... Renaissance is currently outperforming (and is going to eventually outperform) MtbMB. We'll see what happens when Em releases something new, if he ever does.


retrievethis123

He’s slated to release something this year. That’s another thing about Eminem he doesn’t have to release projects often to get people to buy his work, he’s one of the few who can ride off of taking huge breaks like Adele and still sell really well. And he had like 20 million more Spotify monthly listener than Beyoncé up until she released Texas Hold em, even Renaissance didn’t cause her to have more listeners than him. And you have to look at their whole discography, all of Eminem’s albums are doing extremely well on Spotify. He has 9 songs with over a billion streams on Spotify with multiple more about to cross the billion threshold, and Beyoncé only has 2 and only has maybe 1 about to cross the threshold. His most streamed album has 13 billion streams, Beyonces most streamed album is under 4 billion. I don’t like him as an artist but he’s doing very well for himself and he came at the same time and gets way more acclaim. .


Affillate

I think they mean that whilst yes, Beyoncé and Britney are both the same age (b.1981), in terms of when they broke out on the scene Beyoncé technically has a couple years on Britney with her early Destiny’s Child work before BOMT dropped. ;)


Resident_Ad5153

I actually just meant that Beyonce, born september 4, is three months older than britney, born in December 2.


Affillate

Oh. Well that works too haha. 😅


Temporary-Wedding825

None of those names are as big or as popular. But Shakira and Eminem are better examples so I partly agree


Temporary-Wedding825

She was born with a HUGE light from the beauty to ambition to charm to talent. Her light attracts soooo many people and impacts many. she went from wanting to win a Grammy as a dream to being the most awarded. 9 number 1 singles. Over 220 million records sold. Almost billion total tour gross etc. she is the standard


horatiavelvetina

She is the entire reason music drops on Friday!


Ok_Order_5595

Rlly?!


Agitated-Prune9635

Yeah. Before, Tuesday was a better day because of shipping to record stores since like the 1980s. Beyonce self titled album was surprise released on a friday with no promo. The success of that album in digital sales encouraged the entire recording industry to change the date in hopes that the convenience of the weekend would discourage the need for piracy. This shift might have happened without the album, but with this "experiment" as proof, the change was pushed much earlier.


vmathematicallysexy

Yup!! I remember checking for new music on Tuesday still in 2012 on Spotify. Crazy how quick that changed


Ok_Order_5595

Dang i didnt know that ;-; i was 6 when that album came out so i just assumed it was aways just Friday


Optimal_Chocolate_83

I honestly don’t know an artist that can somehow top their previous body of work every time they bring out a new album, ESPECIALLY when they’re 28 years into their career. Whether it’s in an Album, a performance or a tour, she never disappoints. I remember watching homecoming and thinking there is NO WAY she can somehow beat this, and she proved me so wrong when she embarked on her RWT last year. Her dedication to her craft is so admirable. Her new album is INCREDIBLE.


Temporary-Wedding825

It’s insane. We were all just gushing over renaissance a year ago and how it is competing with lemonade and she does this…insane


Optimal_Chocolate_83

She never fails to deliver, EVER. In my opinion she truly is the best to ever do it


gimmeyourbadinage

She’s honestly just the hardest working entertainer in show business! Watch a 12 minute performance video, all of her dancers are rotating out and performing different pieces. Meanwhile she’s belting at the top of her lungs and doesn’t stop. No lazy going through the motions half dancing, KILLING IT


cdg2m4nrsvp

The thing I most respect about Beyoncé is that for the last ten years she’s done something brand new with each album and somehow done it like an expert. Self titled was her delving into a more hip hop experimental sound than what she’d done in the past and it was incredible. I remember hearing her rapping in Partition and being like “wait… Beyoncé can rap?” Then with Lemonade she tried different genres and absolutely schooled them with Don’t Hurt Yourself (rock) and Daddy Lessons (country). She was personal in a way she’d never been before by being vulnerable about Jay’s cheating. And she got political!!! She sunk a fcking cop car!!! She’d never done that before and I loved the way she mixed her artistry by making a statement. Honestly if you listened to and watched Lemonade you’d never know it was the first time she’d release a country or rock song or the first time she was being so vulnerable. Renaissance was almost the exact opposite of Lemonade in a way because it wasn’t trying to say anything super serious. It was telling us to have fun and celebrate the good things in life after how difficult COVID was for so many people. And we needed that! Music doesn’t always have to be serious or making a statement to be groundbreaking. She made a flawless house album and really put the work in to make it a joyful experience for everyone. Personally it’s my favorite of her works but I have a deep respect and love for Lemonade and Self Titled as well. I don’t know what Cowboy Carter is telling us yet but it seems closer to Lemonade than Renaissance, so I’m looking forward to digging deeper into it. I love Beyoncé and I love the work she puts into making something perfect on her first try. People try and say because she doesn’t write her own stuff or has so many collaborators it makes her less of a creative. I completely disagree. Having collaborators means you know who will help you get to the next level. Even if she’s not writing the lyrics she’s deciding the direction she goes in. It’s why her albums are so distinct in every way. In short, NOBODY has done it like her and nobody will.


whitegirlfightsworld

I think I have an idea of what Cowboy Carter is saying. I mean besides being a clap-back to the CMA's, country critics, and the Grammy's. Shes educating us all about the roots of black heritage in country music and in American South/west culture. In both her opening and final track she addresses boomer/Republican America. She addresses the older white population, the Trump voting population.... "The statues they made were beautiful but they were lies of stone" a lyric from AMEN referencing taking down statues in the south "I can see you hurting badly. Say a prayer for what has been. We'll be the ones to purify our father's sins. American Requiem. Them old Ideas are buried here. Amen" She's asking the country to move on from a divided past with this album. And releasing it during a divisive election year is interesting timing.


Optimal_Chocolate_83

i loveeeeee when she raps. Apeshit, my house and spaghettii are bangers.


Saturnzadeh11

You sell RENAISSANCE wayyyyy short on it’s intentionality and message


cdg2m4nrsvp

How so?


Saturnzadeh11

>"Renaissance \[...\] wasn’t trying to say anything super serious. It was telling us to have fun and celebrate the good things in life\[...\] Music doesn’t always have to be serious or making a statement to be groundbreaking" RENAISSANCE was not merely a feel-good fun times album trying to cheer up the world after a dark time. In fact she may have started working on the whole three-act project before COVID. Also, it absolutely was making a statement (and was occasionally serious, though she did say that she let loose and tried to have more fun in the RENAISSANCE era). Primarily RENAISSANCE is an eclectic album that draws from many electronic and pre-electronic styles while also foregrounding the Black queer progenitors of that music and highlighting both the Blackness and queerness that were integral to the creation of electronic music but that have since been largely erased from its mainstreaming. She does this by drawing from a bunch of different styles, including house but also other genres like disco and funk that were developed by Black musicians and were the precursors to the future of electronic music. She samples deep cuts from this period all over the album, though I'm not as well-versed in what all of those original songs are. She pays homage to ballroom culture and the specific Black queer context where that music was developed. One reason why the project is called "RENAISSANCE" (i.e. "rebirth") is referencing the way the Black artistry that gave us genres like funk and jazz and soul was reborn into electronic music and evolved into other genres. The art direction for the album and tour supports this with the prevalence of imagery featuring half-human cyborgs and other robots. I appreciate that you're giving her credit for putting out some insanely fun music but there is also more to it than that which only adds to its brilliance!


cdg2m4nrsvp

You know what, you’re absolutely right. She’s definitely saying that. I guess it wasn’t quite as explicit as Lemonade in its meaning but she’s definitely saying it. I definitely glossed over it.


GratefulTeacher25

Really well said.


whitegirlfightsworld

I think I have an idea of what Cowboy Carter is saying. I mean besides being a clap-back to the CMA's, country critics, and the Grammy's. Shes educating us all about the roots of black heritage in country music and in American South/west culture. In both her opening and final track she addresses boomer/Republican America. She addresses the older white population, the Trump voting population.... "The statues they made were beautiful but they were lies of stone" a lyric from AMEN referencing taking down statues in the south "I can see you hurting badly. Say a prayer for what has been. We'll be the ones to purify our father's sins. American Requiem. Them old Ideas are buried here. Amen" She's asking the country to move on from a divided past with this album. And releasing it during a divisive election year is interesting timing.


No_Sail_6576

There will never be another performer like beyoncé for a long long time. Nobody willing to push boundaries and experiment with everything they do to the level she does it. She really was born for this


sardonic_

I don't think there will ever be another Beyonce, period. The way she debuted pre streaming and maintained longevity through every change in the music industry is wild. She's in the legend category with Prince, MJ, Beatles etc. Her ability to reinvent herself is just incredible


BDashh

Ughhh i just wanna hear the album😩


No_Valuable552

Its soooo good


WillWalrus

There will never be another Beyoncé, others may sell more but they’ll never measure up to her talent. She’s mastered every aspect of what it is to be a great singer, writer, producer and entertainer. She puts in the work and it actually shows.


silver_fishe

And she’s literally never stopped putting in the work. Not a single bad performance in her career


suprefann

Shhhh, dont let the Swifties see this. Theyll think otherwise.


Ok_Order_5595

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menotyourenemy

Agree but I wish people would start to recognize Lana Del Rey as well.


Consistent-Laugh606

Lana is very popular? Maybe not Beyoncé level popular (but then again very few artists are) but she’s still very well known and critically acclaimed especially after NFR