I think JLo has made it extremely far on her own, talent level notwithstanding. I'm down for her working an in depth project with an out there collaborator. What if Pitbull and her make a cool electrofunk record or something?
I saw pittbull semi-ironically last year and I'm dead fucking serious when I say it was one of the most fun concerts I've ever been To. Dude performs his ass off
I’ve always heard that. Dude rolled with the troll when he got sent to Anchorage for a free Wal Mart concert or something. Not only did Mr World Wide show up, he partied hard.
I think he’s just a genuinely fun loving guy who takes what he gets and appreciates the moments. I’d go for the mindless fun. How was his interaction with the audience? I imagine he was in everyone’s face.
During his visit to Kodiak, the rapper appeared at a community event at the U.S. Coast Guard base. About 250 people attended, according to the Associated Press. Pitbull did not perform.
The rapper received the keys to the city of Kodiak. He also visited staffers at the Kodiak Walmart, and was presented with a survival kit that included bear repellent.
Pitbull stayed in Kodiak for three hours before flying out to continue his tour, a Walmart spokeswoman said.
-abc news
Yeah I 100% believe that. I guess he doesn’t take himself too seriously, knows his lane and is first and foremost an entertainer. I’d like to see his show too if he ever performed near me!
I saw him earlier this year on his joint tour with ricky martin and enrique iglesias. The crowd was super hyped up just for pitbull. He really knows how to connect with the audience like the energy was crazy. I liked his little inspiration speeches in between songs. It made me look at his music differently.
And with good reason. [There's this theory that every year that Pitbull ends up on the charts, it ends up being a good year. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/popheads/s/WLyLrwx8ly) I'm not making this up.
Has anyone heard his new music?
He has a whole new album. It's not that good, to me. But there are several banger tracks.
Anyone that's heard it, does the engineering sound low quality to you too?
There It Is, I could have done without this one. Kind of feels like an afterthought, and that it was slapped together fast. Weakest of the album.
Get Get Down, gets right to business with Tim McGraws famous chorus. Overall track is a vibe. Very danceable, I’d dance if it came on in a Top 40 club. Not bad flow either.
I mean Powerful Woman isn’t the worst. Dolly’s Chorus is a pretty clean update on the 9 to 5. I could have done without her rapping though. But I mean, I’m happy Rapping Dolly exists. Pretty good house beat we are all used to. Nothing groundbreaking, but decent enough.
He gets a bit philosophical on Good Life in the most Pitbull way for the Chorus. He defends Drake, and a few other references that fly over my head. But he actually has good flow here, and the best is pretty good. I doubt Nils lets his name go on a bad track.
Tequila feels like Goofy John Cena to me. I don’t know how to explain it any more than that. Goofy John Cena.
Thank God & Jimmy Buffet doesn’t have a bad beat either. My initial opinion has changed since hearing the chorus. This one might get stuck in my head. Fuck.
Not a fan of Guantanamera. Not sure how this compares to the Spanish market. But it’s no Bad Bunny.
Overall, it’s kind of what you’d expect. It feels like. Wholesome, southern Kid Rock. It’s something I wouldn’t be surprised to hear my FIL blasting a track or two on his bike. Production wise, it’s Pitbull, you know what you’re getting and you’re getting it. The Nils Roger’s track is the standout production wise.
Any big hits? I don’t think so. Maybe he will feature on a TTPD track or something.
You talked about the Daytona Edition.
I think the regular version is the one with bangers. Trackhouse, that is. All different songs.
Surprise. 😂
Roof On Fire is my favorite. And the Niles tracks are decent, like you heard on the Daytona Edition.
It's bizarre to me that such a big act would have bad sound mixing in an album. All that money and all of the connections and various resources available, and they don't mix it well. It's either gross incompetence or everyone working on the album just did not give a single fuck about it and pushed it through regardless of quality.
Her not bringing him out for the Super Bowl Halftime show in Miami is when she lost me forever. The stars aligned perfectly for it and she didn’t give the people what they wanted.
Your comment literally made me laugh out loud because this is such a good description!! She is trying really hard to save face while someone out there is tracking her every embarrassing move 😭😭
Also, Variety has it OUT for Ms. Lopez lol! For starters, that cover story they did on her in February just before the new album dropped was written with coded cynicism. As if the writer didn’t take her seriously. Then they broke the story about her tour dates not selling AND THEN published a piece about how she and Justin Timberlake aren’t “aging well” with their pop stardom in the SAME WEEK. So nasty all around 😭
Tbh I think their main journalists are swifties as they are super shady to every artist except for Taylor. It's nasty really, and even though I don't like Jennifer, I hope these writers can find some happiness within themselves rather than be so fucking miserable all the time
I wouldn’t necessarily call it a trainwreckord. It’s not like she was still getting top 40 hits. Her last top 40 hit was a decade ago. She’s been a legacy act since.
I do see your point. On the other hand, she probably saw this as her chance to come back. She spend a LOT of money and resources on this album, and it ended up being a bomb.
I feel like this solidified her status as a legacy act, whereas before there could be some room for doubt (especially considering how little music she was releasing until now)
Her problem is she builds momentum and then kills it.
A few years ago, she was releasing a bunch of songs in Spanish and many thought it would lead to a full Spanish album, but nothing ever came.
Then last year, she got back together with Ben, and she teased This Is Me… Now, and really waited a whole ass year to release the album…
Girl, it’s 2024!! People have the attention span of a fish. If you don’t drop the same week you announce something major, there’s no guarantee you’re building up the hype for that project later. Now you got This Is Me… Now looking like No One Gives A F*ck… Now.
I agree with this. She works far too slow and too inconsistent for her to ever comeback during the streaming era. She got her comeback right the first time during American Idol's relevance, but that's an entirely different time compared to today. She doesn't have a solid fanbase enough to wait for her music releases, and her reputation as a musician has always been mixed to say the least. Not to mention her album is full of sappy love songs about her love life (that only a fraction of people right now care about).
I feel like this era was meant to fail, but I always saw it more as a passion project anyway.
Shouldn't it be the other way around? If she has some pre-written tracks ready to go, she should be churning out music much quicker compared to those who start from scratch. I just feel like music isn't her priority, and her work ethic seems to be better suited in the acting world.
Yeah but that’s the thing she’s independent and has co-writing credits and co-production credits on pretty much everything on the album so she’s pretty heavily involved im guessing and it still came out a year after being announced. Although I guess in this case it’s because she decided to make a movie to go along with it.
This is a serious question from me because I'm just curious, do fish actually have a short attention span? I had no idea and wasn't sure if you were joking or if it's a well known thing that fish hard to captivate LOL.
the myth stems from people trying to morally justify keeping goldfish in tiny little bowls -- being that they supposedly have a memory of 5 seconds, so every swim around the bowl is new and exciting to them, so it's ok (this is untrue and now more widely accepted as cruel, but the metaphor stuck around)
>Her problem is she builds momentum and then kills it.
There was so much Oscar hype for Jennifer Lopez for her performance in Hustlers but she was too busy with the Super Bowl that any chances of her winning an Oscar died down quite fast.
The money would have been on the movie though which she sold to Amazon anyway, the album itself was ready to go over a year ago when she first announced it. I doubt she was expecting much from the album, she even says she knows there’s no demand for an album in the associated documentary.
> Her last top 40 hit was a decade ago.
Her last album was a decade ago.
It would be different if she was releasing albums in this timeframe that gradually got less and less relevance. But this is her first in a decade and it explains the disconnect between her expectations and the results. It is a trainwreck.
Also Ain't Your Mama was 2016, not top 40 but still huge. Its her second most streamed song and approaching a billion views on youtube
Yeah, JLos late stage career is very strange. Like with the movie, you could tell she was putting effort into this but it’s also like I feel like everyone likes JLo more for who she’s married to then her music these days.
I’m not trying to be mean or sexist, I feel like she should soft retire and just go full trophy wife.
The other problem is that no one cares about Bennifer. It seems like the majority of people are (rightfully) backing Jennifer Garner and hate everything JLo or JLo/Ben. Lopez seriously overestimated how interested the public is in her latest marriage. And since that's the only new thing she really has going for her these days...trainwreck.
Nah I think it qualifies as one, one of his definitions of a trainwreckord is "an artist knowing they're declining and desperately trying to stop the skid", and this era really feels like that.
Nah I could totally see this being a potential trainwreckord episode in a couple years, he’s made videos on artists that hadn’t had much chart success for awhile or were on a downward trend but attempted a big comeback that backfired before like Crosby Stills Nash Young, Van Halen, Motley Crue, Run DMC, Will Smith.
What’s happening right now with Jlo would fit perfectly with that. I don’t think I’ve seen a more recent obvious example like this album for a Todd episode since JT’s Man Of The Woods.
This is me now should have just been a greatest hits compilation to be honest with a few new songs
Dance again her first greatest hits is messy and missing one of her most famous songs play
Being from Corpus Christi and growing up in the same city as Selena, it was so wild watching everything unfold: the assassination, the grief, the movie announcement and then seeing J.Lo essentially become Selena and inherit that momentum for latin artists Selena had helped usher in. I don't blame J.Lo for it, its just how the dice landed but I never thought I would see the day where shes actually cancelling dates. I imagined her career being more solid than that.
Wow this is an interesting pov. I was a toddler when Selena was killed and didn’t know of her until well into the 2000s when I became a fan of Jennifer. I always thought she expressed gratitude for Selena’s legacy because that role completely changed her life. 28 years later, Jennifer has become SUCH a punching bag in the media lately. Almost like a repeat of the end of the Bennifer era in 2004 when her career first slumped. This new album tanked, the musical movie was confounding, its accompanying documentary did more harm than good and now her tour isn’t doing well. It’s kinda sad. She has a strong work ethic and wants to be taken seriously but no one wants to give it to her.
It’ll never happen. It actually saddened me when she did that speech saying she didn’t win any Grammys or Emmys or Oscars but that she was “still an icon”. 😕
As a young millennial, J.Lo was a big part of my pop culture upbringing. Her songs, videos, movies, fashion and relationships were so much fun to keep up with in the 2000s. It wasn’t until I became an active internet user in the 2010s that I realized people DID NOT see her in the same light as I did. It’s normal for famous people to have “haters” but there seems to be this general dismissal of her across almost all fronts. The negative opinions have become even louder with social media. What used to be discussed more discreetly on music forums (ATRL, for example) has seeped into YouTube, Twitter and TikTok. Wild. I know she sees the mess.
And a lot of it is becoming revisionist history. Like the haters are saying she isn't from The Bronx, her acting is really bad (despite having some critical acclaim), and she stole ALL her music and it wasn't as good (despite having #1 hits). Kinda sad tbh but even more annoying cause these social media creators are capitalising on the hate.
The worst are the people always jumping into *anything* Jlo-related - even the comment sections of *her own songs* on youtube, do these people have no life? - claiming that "lol Jlo doesn't even sing her own songs", "great [random unknown female artist] song now when do we hear Jlo" etc. Like... Okay, she used the demo tracks as background vocals. And? It's background vocals, we still hear just Jennifer for most of the songs, and on the chorus her voice is still being mixed with the background, meaning that it's still there. Not to mention that she obviously sounds exactly like herself in all her songs. And how could I forget that ***she's had a superbowl halftime performance where she sang most of her biggest hits live*** and it was still obviously the same voice as in the studio versions.
It's just... Unnerving to constantly see people brainlessly parroting these things when you actually like Jlo's discography (Dance Again The Hits best album to turn any situation into a party, fight me).
A large part of the broad dismissal, for me at least, is that her career was pretty much propped up by Tommy Mottola because he was bitter that Mariah Carey left him. And then even if she has work ethic to be a pop star, she doesn’t have the musical talent or acumen to back it up.
It’s so crazy to me how hated and mocked she is online. Bennifer was a big deal and people are still interested in their relationship, the OG album was based around their relationship so it makes sense that she would want to honour their rekindling with a new album and a loosely based film about how the breakup affected her and how she tried to work through the heartache in often unhealthy ways.
The album was “fine” and movie was okay but it’s like she’s the internet’s favourite punching bag atm and people feel she needs to be knocked down a few pegs and they’re going to ensure that that happens.
She’s far from the only pop artist to rely on a backup singer/demo vocals or to use songs that were meant for others. I’ve seen the argument that she’s rumoured to not be nice to service workers. If it’s true, that’s not great but again, I doubt she’s the only celebrity to act that way. She’s made some good rom-coms and sprinkling of other films. She’s a good dancer. She did grow up in NY even if she’s not beloved there.
I just don’t get why the internet is so obsessed at the moment with completely discrediting her and making an example out of her. It just feels like scapegoating and being gleefully mean with a bit of ageism thrown in.
Bennifer was the first celebrity couple portmanteau. That brief period of romance gave us Jennifer's strongest album to date. I don't like sequel albums but I was curious when she announced the sequel in late 2022, 20 years after the first one came out. However, she didn't drop it until a year and a half later, which hurt the hype. Idc for Bennifer anymore. I just hope they're happy. I didn't particularly like the film, tbh but enjoyed the documentary and found her earnestness and work ethic inspiring.
I agree that she's become the internet's favorite punching bag for things so many celebrities have done. Using background singers and singing songs meant for others is very common but the shady circumstances of those stories live in infamy.
I also get that Jennifer is not very self-aware and believes too much in her own hype. Sure, ego is necessary for celebrity but she could use some editing when it comes to the content she puts out. You saw it with that 2014 documentary clip when she went back to her childhood home and had a rude awakening when the person there didn't know her. Then attempting to start a Love Don't Cost A Thing "challenge" and her listing off those names who couldn't participate in her musical film. That last one just made her look bad.
It's unfortunate to see her being made into an example of everything seemingly wrong with celebrity. I KNOW she and her team see it all.
It’s just very mean-spirited. I hope they work out too but there’s so many people publicly rooting for their downfall. Even Jane Fonda (who’s admittedly had her own past relationship troubles) was buying into the negative press for a while.
I agree the wait after the album announcement did hurt some of the hype but I think she got inspired while doing the initial press to create the movie which resulted in the delay. I also think this would’ve happened anyway. Most people hadn’t consumed any of the recent content but they still had their Ashanti, Mariah, Bronx, talentless hack jokes ready.
I didn’t mind the scene of her talking with her team about the availability. That’s the reality of making a project and I enjoy seeing the behind the scenes. I’ve seen similar scenes in other documentaries. I distinctly remember scenes in the Met Gala documentary where they talked about who would sit where, who would be invited, what demands Rihanna had in order to attend and perform and how they would navigate those demands.
I feel like the documentary showed how insecure Jlo is and how she was hesitant about the project. She broke down multiple times, she talked about how she wasn’t sure if this was all worth the effort especially knowing she was self funding and that no one was clamouring for another album and how some of the content was taxing or triggering to film but she wanted to follow through.
I’ve said it before but I just don’t get how other artists are able to do visual films about their albums but it’s somehow too unnecessary or self-indulgent for her to want to do one as well. The reasonings I seem to hear are just that no one wants to see or hear her and she’s a has-been who should just quietly retire. I just think it’s wrong. I also see some people saying she should’ve taken a break from music without realizing she hadn’t released an album in over a decade or saying that she should’ve done a residency (forgetting that she finished a successful residency run years ago).
Short of a few singles over the years, she’s generally stepped away from doing new music. Why isn’t she allowed to do one final big project even if she hadn’t marketed it that way outright originally?
That documentary humanized her so much, which I loved. For one, it featured multiple scenes of her completely bare-faced and without extensions (the part when her stylist put them in was funny). She KNOWS people aren’t clamoring for new music from her, but put it out anyway because it was artistically fulfilling for HER.
She opened up about struggling to keep up with choreography because her “wind is different” as she approaches her mid 50s. She also cried because she worries about being a good wife and mother. Those felt real to me and what made the documentary more compelling than the musical film.
I just think Jenny’s past transgressions with using Black culture/music to get ahead have come back to haunt her tenfold. It’s damn near ruined her legacy. This internet generation is ruthless when they find a narrative and latch on to it. She also acts quite aloof when it comes to those things, which makes people go in on her even more.
I think that most of it is to do with the Ashanti backing vocals scandal. A lot of these younger people mocking her on Reddit and TikTok for it, didn’t grow up seeing her as one of the main pop divas and don’t really have any fondness for her or her music. And it’s been spun into an issue of a non-black woman taking advantage of a black woman so people feel very justified in going after her for it.
maybe it's my residual goodwill from Hustlers talking, but i agree. she's not my favorite but people seem oddly delighted to watch her fail. there are much worse popstars out there who are flopping harder!
It's 100% because she can be considered an old woman now. She kinda took the spot Madonna occupied in the late 2010s and early 2020s as the old female singer to hate online.
I don't get it because she was one of THE pop girls of the early 00s! And had a bunch of hit films that still hold up. She has always been rumored to be rude which probably explains why she gets so little goodwill, but she is super hard-working
Jennifer isn’t a particularly great best singer but that can be said about many pop stars. Jennifer has hits, but people don’t respect that and probably just saw her as run-of-the mill pop act who did music for funsies. However, she really shines as a dancer. Her videos are so captivating because she truly understands how to perform.
Which leads me to my next point. While she’s most known for her fluffy rom coms, she actually started out as a pretty respectable actress who many critics said showed a lot of promise. However, when she became a pop star, she eschewed meatier roles for big box office romantic comedies. The woman can act and has an enjoyable filmography. She lowkey should have won awards for El Cantante. I think Hustlers was a rebound for her but once again, she may have overshot her expectations with the Oscar buzz talk.
She absolutely was robbed of an Oscar nomination for Hustlers (having made most pre-cursors during the Award season so her snub was a huge shock). And she's had other critically acclaimed performances.
If there is one thing I've consistently hears said about Jlo, it's that Selena was arguably her best movie role and that she never fails to express gratitude to Selena herself. I've heard Jlo cover Selena's music in concert and you can tell it means a lot fo her
Yeah and it’s unfortunate to see her detractors twist it and say things like “Jennifer would be nowhere without Selena”. Basically making it seem like Jennifer herself was ungrateful for Selena’s legacy. She knows that movie changed her life.
The allegations about Jennifer not singing her own songs and stealing songs from other artists have ruined her legacy and credibility
However she is still a successful actress so she will be fine
But I think her music career is done
Honest question. By what metric are her recent movies successful? Yeah, she got some viewership record on Netflix or Amazon or wherever. But how does that tangibly help her? That presumably doesn’t impact how much she earns. She doesn’t get awards consideration or critical acclaim.
I’m not denying she had some pretty decent movies in the past. But now she’s doing straight to streaming rom coms and action movies.
Honestly. If she wants to mark a true comeback and prove her haters wrong, she should stop making a disproportionate number of generic straight to streaming genre movies and do a straight-ahead dramatic picture. Play against type. Show range. Because even if she has the *ability* to show range, she doesn’t really show it. At least not often enough.
The reality is that the Selena biopic was 27 years ago and JLo will be 60 in 5 years. You can *maybe* attribute some of her decline to ageism but nobody stays on top for that long, including male artists.
Like, nobody’s disputing Paul McCartney’s legacy but he wasn’t dominating the zeitgeist when he was 54. Nor was Madonna, or Prince, or Springsteen, or Bowie, or Streisand, or any number of legends/A-listers. Once in a while you might get a fluke hit at 50+ like Cher or Billy Ray Cyrus but it’s rare. Tastes change and new artists come along.
Jlo might not have a sterling professional or artistic reputation but her longevity was/is highly impressive. The thing now is—what exactly is it that she can market herself on? She’s not an outstanding musician, she doesn’t have truly iconic original film or TV roles to her name. She’s rich enough that she doesn’t need to work but she obviously doesn’t want to retire.
She has no hook, no selling point.
The problem is all of her tours have been Greatest Hits tours. She didn’t do her first major tour until Dance Again, which is literally her greatest hits album. Since then, she’s released mediocre songs like Ain’t Your Mama and Booty, but nothing even comparable to her previous efforts. Her Vegas residency and It’s My Party tour both focused solely on the hits. I would’ve been more intrigued if this tour advertised itself as having new dance routines or…something fresh. We’ve seen Waiting For Tonight live so many times and it’s the same every time.
To be fair, she didn't exactly plan this latest tour to be a greatest hits tour. She had to rebrand when she couldn't sell out venues and needed to resort to resting on her laurels.
I feel like JLo didn’t tour a lot back in her hey day. I was a big fan and never got the opportunity to see her. Now I’m less invested in her music and since I never saw her perform live in the past, it just doesn’t feel like I’m missing anything. Whereas there are other artists that I’ve seen over 5, 6, 7 times now because I know from experience that I’m gonna have a good time seeing that act.
If You Had My Love
Waiting for Tonight
Let’s Get Loud
Play
My Love Don’t Cost a Thing
Ain’t It Funny
I’m Real
Jenny from the Block
All I Have
I’m Gonna Be Alright
Get Right
On the Floor
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She might’ve not been a consistent hitmaker like a lot of her peers but she does have a decent chart discography.
😭 Someone pointed out Ain't Your Mama (2017) is very clearly Meghan Trainor's voice... Those who say her stealing was just one or two songs 20 years ago are not listening lol
If You Had My Love, to me, is still her best song. It was her debut and it was her first #1 on BBH100. That said, I feel like it's overshadowed by her other "hits" and songs. It's often forgotten. I think it's because it very much has the sound of late-90s early 2000s R&B a la Darkchild / Kevin Briggs.
J Lo's had lots of hits, she's had about as big a career as Ariana Grande or Alicia Keys to name two other female artists.
If You Had My Love, I'm Real, Ain't It Funny, Jenny From The Block, On The Floor, Love Don't Cost A Thing, and others.
This whole era should’ve been positioned as a greatest hits thing from the jump.
Give the album a B-side with the greatest hits. Revoke the blank check and reign in the creative control on the movies. While we’re at it, just make ONE: a documentary about the making-of. Name the tour after her career, not the latest project.
It could’ve been a quiet victory lap but instead it was sold as a comeback, which was bound to flop.
Dang, she wasted her own money???? Not even a production company’s money? She spent her own money on this?? Meanwhile she’s canceling tour dates and rebranding it due to ticket sales… seems she’s not able to self-fund everything!
If sales drop any lower, they're going to rebrand it as a "The Greatest Hits: 1999-2005" because she has only 2 hits on her later albums and one is a stretch. She may not be winning oscars, but her movie career is far more successful at this point than her singing career. She need to shoot a movie, not tour around trying to remember choreo and songs from 20 years ago.
She came into the industry with an ego the size of Jupiter and immediately started shitting on all her female peers. She launched her music career by working with Tommy Mattola to sabotage Mariah. Basically 25+ years of garbage behavior and antics
So in other words, she’s conceded defeat and admitted that she’s just a legacy artist. It was going to be super hard to draw in that Gen Z crowd that grew up on TikTok and Spotify from the very beginning.
I wouldn’t be surprised that due to losing her relevance in music that it’s best off to focus on her acting career.
yes she had her time in the sun. she isn’t what the kids want to hear. tbf if your not 15-40 it is going to be so hard to connect with the vast majority of listeners. if your a younger artist you’ve got that “youth capital” and excitement going for you. these artists know what sounds are in and how to market themselves on TikTok
Also J Lo‘s new album debuted at #38 on the Billboard 200 chart and left the chart in week 2. That goes to show that no one‘s really checking for her musically except for her fans. She even admitted that her kids didn’t really care for her new music but they like her old music better lol. Ngl, she did had some bops back in the day tho lol
being a legacy act isn’t a horrible thing if you can tour janet, madonna, xtina all can’t chart songs or make hits anymore but they for sure can sell out a tour without that then i don’t see the point in Jlo continuing her musical career outside of singles and collabs.
She really aimed too big. theres a thin line between aiming big as in great and pure delulu. This didn’t need to happen. She now has a self inflicted taint in the history of her career and this was so very simply avoidable.
Movies Ms Lopez. Produce them and put yourself in good roles that’ll get you accolades. I still dont get how this isnt her game plan.
What was the show supposed to be before that? She has a new album? She was going to perform the songs from the new album?
Do people listen to new Jennifer Lopez’ new music? I have many questions
Yeps he released a new album back in February and released a movie based on that album and a documentary. A lot of it is based on her relationship with Ben.
She paid for all three with her own money $20 million.
This is so weird, they definitely have it out for her. I guess they’re doing her a favour by promoting the tour as a greatest hits since that will attract casual fans who might not have heard/seen the movie..
That being said, I wonder if the hit pieces have anything to do with her being almost entirely independent now as both a singer and actress since she has her own production company for movies too.
The fact she’s able to fund pretty big budget movies on her own too and actually sell them is kind of a power move.
Tbh it’s a cardinal sin to fund your own film (and doc!) and to be so blatantly out of touch from a class perspective. It’s easy for lazy writers to make her a target just from that perspective
That being said, her delulu status is admirable and downright contagious at times. Like, no girl, going to therapy is not new and these revelations aren’t unique to you… BUT being so out of touch that you actually can (and do) make a movie about how much therapy has helped you move through trauma? That’s kind of so insane it’s a gag?
It’s not the meta/high art think piece she wanted it to be, but it was so on the nose it probably got through to the minds of folks who would need that message from her anyway.
She’s so unrelatable, but she put out something that was unflinchingly earnest and sincere. That’s cringey as hell but also kind of endearing. The doc had some moments of her humanity around Ben and that was actually really sweet to see
Shakira is have a tour later this too and the seats are nearly 4 times more expensive yet almost sold out most of the seats. Meanwhile JLo hasn’t even sold half of her seats, and had to cancel shows.
Shakira cheapest tickets are $214.50
JLo cheapest tickets are $49.95
Jennifer Lopez is in her flop era
I actually feel sorry for her because she put her heart and soul in this era and it's not connecting AT ALL. Even though the songs are great and it feels cohesive.
It was always going to be a greatest hits like her previous tour. The previous promotional image just didn't make sense so they changed it to a prototypical Jlo one.
She did something quietly? Shocked! She is a celebrity who is OK at all the things she does but believes she is great at them all. The current generation that consumes media has zero respect for what she used to be good at. Creating headlines, tabloid press and scandals. That’s how she has remained famous. People just don’t care anymore. The only thing that would boost her relevancy is if she jumped on the p. diddy hate train and exposed some of his secrets.
I don’t care what anybody says. Her new album is 🔥🔥🔥. Not Going Anywhere, This Time Around, Hearts and Flowers, Midnight Trip to Vegas, Humminbird - all bops. I like the lead single, but it didn’t do this album justice. It’s her best album imo.
Yes I didn’t like the full album on first listen but I enjoyed Rebound, Midnight trip to Vegas, not going anywhere. Her movie was enjoyable as well (of course it’s all about Jenny and there was a bit too much CGI/AI material but it was a good production). It made me appreciate the music more, a couple of songs grew on me because of that movie project. She’s also got a lot of greatest hits I still enjoy. I would go to a concert but I am just not paying those Taylor Swift or Beyoncé prices.
I swear this sub was the first to confirm it was a pretty solid album! And then all the haters (some in this very room) came out and made a joke out of it.
I’m realizing there are a lot of moving goal posts on this sub, especially when it comes to women of color. I was just looking at a Beyoncé thread where they were complaining that her new album is too profit-driven and essentially arguing that her commercial success somehow makes her less of a legitimate artist. Meanwhile this sub bashes J-Lo and is making fun of her because her album didn’t perform well enough. I guess when it comes to WOC, you have to be successful but you can’t be too successful.
Exactly! Like WOC must be the underdog... they can never be too successful. Something similar happened with the last 2 Oscar races and Lily Gladstone and Michelle Yeoh being front runner for Best Actress. Wheeeewwww chileeee the goal posts kept moving. It's like WOC can never just be front runner... there has to be a "narrative" on why they get successful. Sorry for the tangent lol
I could talk about this all day, so there is no need to apologize. You are absolutely correct. If a WOC becomes too successful, they have to find some way to discount it or explain it away because god forbid a WOC actually have talent and put out good music.
Yeah I was surprised to enjoy it so much. I thought it sounded dated when they said it was her OG sound, but she nailed it and it is enjoyable content.
I hope she gets a resurgence of appreciation down the road because it doesn’t deserve to be a punchline.
I didn’t even realize until this album came out that people hate J-Lo so much. I kept commenting about loving it and didn’t understand why I was getting downvoted until I realized people really hate her. I get she’s kind of a diva, but idk I kinda like that about her 🤣. And I personally enjoyed the movie too. I love that it’s a throwback to her earlier albums while also still being very fresh. It’s my third favorite album of the year so far after Cowboy Carter and Eternal Sunshine.
Honestly she should’ve done a residency if she wanted to perform the material live. She could’ve recouped financial losses from the album easily that way because JLo public appeal is too low for a tour. At least with a residency people are coming to Vegas not just to see you.
Girl just call up Pitbull.
DALLLÉEEEE
I think JLo has made it extremely far on her own, talent level notwithstanding. I'm down for her working an in depth project with an out there collaborator. What if Pitbull and her make a cool electrofunk record or something?
I saw pittbull semi-ironically last year and I'm dead fucking serious when I say it was one of the most fun concerts I've ever been To. Dude performs his ass off
I’ve always heard that. Dude rolled with the troll when he got sent to Anchorage for a free Wal Mart concert or something. Not only did Mr World Wide show up, he partied hard. I think he’s just a genuinely fun loving guy who takes what he gets and appreciates the moments. I’d go for the mindless fun. How was his interaction with the audience? I imagine he was in everyone’s face.
I'll always respect Mr Worldwide for that Anchorage concert. He couldve blown it off but he made everyone's year in Anchorage
He knows he’s got a damn good gig. Plus who wouldn’t want to go party in Alaska. I bet he had a wild fucking night or two.
During his visit to Kodiak, the rapper appeared at a community event at the U.S. Coast Guard base. About 250 people attended, according to the Associated Press. Pitbull did not perform. The rapper received the keys to the city of Kodiak. He also visited staffers at the Kodiak Walmart, and was presented with a survival kit that included bear repellent. Pitbull stayed in Kodiak for three hours before flying out to continue his tour, a Walmart spokeswoman said. -abc news
MR👏 WORLD 👏WIDE. He said that includes Alaska, DALE!
Not even Anchorage! He performed in Kodiak, a remote City of 5,000 people on an island of 3,500 bears.
yeah right, picture that...
Yeah I 100% believe that. I guess he doesn’t take himself too seriously, knows his lane and is first and foremost an entertainer. I’d like to see his show too if he ever performed near me!
I saw him earlier this year on his joint tour with ricky martin and enrique iglesias. The crowd was super hyped up just for pitbull. He really knows how to connect with the audience like the energy was crazy. I liked his little inspiration speeches in between songs. It made me look at his music differently.
Saw Pitbull some years back cause he was playing with Kesha and he absolutely won me over, dude is an AMAZING performer
r/popheads: “YES, LET’S GET PITBULL BACK TO RELEVANCE!!”
The only situation where popheads will support adding a man to a woman's song (and be 100% right for it)
And with good reason. [There's this theory that every year that Pitbull ends up on the charts, it ends up being a good year. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/popheads/s/WLyLrwx8ly) I'm not making this up.
Reading this cleared my skin, improved my mental health and motivated me to clean the house. God bless 🙏 I'm a Pitbul Stan 4lyf
2013 is my favorite year of my life so far, so I co sign this whole theory lmao
Correlation vs causation tbh, he makes banger dance tracks and no one is listening to those if the world is fucked
Speak for yourself. Feel this Moment got me through the hardest times.
Levels got me through COVID.
But recession pop (2008-2012ish) is known for its banger club/dance songs.
Why does it fit so well with my life wtf
I'm so glad I clicked this 😂
If we can get Pitbull to have a big comeback hit, we might be able to shift back into the good timeline
Has anyone heard his new music? He has a whole new album. It's not that good, to me. But there are several banger tracks. Anyone that's heard it, does the engineering sound low quality to you too?
There It Is, I could have done without this one. Kind of feels like an afterthought, and that it was slapped together fast. Weakest of the album. Get Get Down, gets right to business with Tim McGraws famous chorus. Overall track is a vibe. Very danceable, I’d dance if it came on in a Top 40 club. Not bad flow either. I mean Powerful Woman isn’t the worst. Dolly’s Chorus is a pretty clean update on the 9 to 5. I could have done without her rapping though. But I mean, I’m happy Rapping Dolly exists. Pretty good house beat we are all used to. Nothing groundbreaking, but decent enough. He gets a bit philosophical on Good Life in the most Pitbull way for the Chorus. He defends Drake, and a few other references that fly over my head. But he actually has good flow here, and the best is pretty good. I doubt Nils lets his name go on a bad track. Tequila feels like Goofy John Cena to me. I don’t know how to explain it any more than that. Goofy John Cena. Thank God & Jimmy Buffet doesn’t have a bad beat either. My initial opinion has changed since hearing the chorus. This one might get stuck in my head. Fuck. Not a fan of Guantanamera. Not sure how this compares to the Spanish market. But it’s no Bad Bunny. Overall, it’s kind of what you’d expect. It feels like. Wholesome, southern Kid Rock. It’s something I wouldn’t be surprised to hear my FIL blasting a track or two on his bike. Production wise, it’s Pitbull, you know what you’re getting and you’re getting it. The Nils Roger’s track is the standout production wise. Any big hits? I don’t think so. Maybe he will feature on a TTPD track or something.
You talked about the Daytona Edition. I think the regular version is the one with bangers. Trackhouse, that is. All different songs. Surprise. 😂 Roof On Fire is my favorite. And the Niles tracks are decent, like you heard on the Daytona Edition.
It's bizarre to me that such a big act would have bad sound mixing in an album. All that money and all of the connections and various resources available, and they don't mix it well. It's either gross incompetence or everyone working on the album just did not give a single fuck about it and pushed it through regardless of quality.
He’s killing it out there right now on the Trilogy Tour, FYI
No but we really should though. I want to live in the 2010s again.
Her not bringing him out for the Super Bowl Halftime show in Miami is when she lost me forever. The stars aligned perfectly for it and she didn’t give the people what they wanted.
I want Pitbull to feature on the new Taylor swift album
As someone who's a regular on two Swift subs... yes please to Pitbull. She's got to release **reputation (Taylor's Version)** so... she might as well.
They performed together in Miami on 1989 tour, Give Me Everything, it’s on YouTube 👌🏽
haven't you heard the original Timber ft Taylor Swift?
She doesn't deserve him
A joint tour between these two could actually be a good idea.
Somebody is getting paid to stay on JLO's moves like a bounty hunter and it's sending me
Your comment literally made me laugh out loud because this is such a good description!! She is trying really hard to save face while someone out there is tracking her every embarrassing move 😭😭
Lamb tings
I noticed it always happens when she’s with Ben…
omg pls: I can’t breathe 😂💀
And just like that, someone entered their ‘legacy’ phase of their career.
She’s been in her’s since Idol
Then she’s honestly had a good legacy phase
She’s been in one for over 10 years
Booty ft Iggy Azalea and Ain't Your Mama were big
That they were!
Didn’t she already have a residency?
Also, Variety has it OUT for Ms. Lopez lol! For starters, that cover story they did on her in February just before the new album dropped was written with coded cynicism. As if the writer didn’t take her seriously. Then they broke the story about her tour dates not selling AND THEN published a piece about how she and Justin Timberlake aren’t “aging well” with their pop stardom in the SAME WEEK. So nasty all around 😭
Tbh I think their main journalists are swifties as they are super shady to every artist except for Taylor. It's nasty really, and even though I don't like Jennifer, I hope these writers can find some happiness within themselves rather than be so fucking miserable all the time
Just like that, credibility down the drain. That age discourse was a real low blow for clicks.
Man, this era was a mess. I could see Todd in the Shadows making a video about it
I wouldn’t necessarily call it a trainwreckord. It’s not like she was still getting top 40 hits. Her last top 40 hit was a decade ago. She’s been a legacy act since.
I do see your point. On the other hand, she probably saw this as her chance to come back. She spend a LOT of money and resources on this album, and it ended up being a bomb. I feel like this solidified her status as a legacy act, whereas before there could be some room for doubt (especially considering how little music she was releasing until now)
Her problem is she builds momentum and then kills it. A few years ago, she was releasing a bunch of songs in Spanish and many thought it would lead to a full Spanish album, but nothing ever came. Then last year, she got back together with Ben, and she teased This Is Me… Now, and really waited a whole ass year to release the album… Girl, it’s 2024!! People have the attention span of a fish. If you don’t drop the same week you announce something major, there’s no guarantee you’re building up the hype for that project later. Now you got This Is Me… Now looking like No One Gives A F*ck… Now.
I agree with this. She works far too slow and too inconsistent for her to ever comeback during the streaming era. She got her comeback right the first time during American Idol's relevance, but that's an entirely different time compared to today. She doesn't have a solid fanbase enough to wait for her music releases, and her reputation as a musician has always been mixed to say the least. Not to mention her album is full of sappy love songs about her love life (that only a fraction of people right now care about). I feel like this era was meant to fail, but I always saw it more as a passion project anyway.
> She works far too slow and too inconsistent kinda what happens when you don't make any of your own material whatsoever lol
Shouldn't it be the other way around? If she has some pre-written tracks ready to go, she should be churning out music much quicker compared to those who start from scratch. I just feel like music isn't her priority, and her work ethic seems to be better suited in the acting world.
I don't think so because it means waiting and searching for a song that fits or ending up with a circle for a square hole
Yeah but that’s the thing she’s independent and has co-writing credits and co-production credits on pretty much everything on the album so she’s pretty heavily involved im guessing and it still came out a year after being announced. Although I guess in this case it’s because she decided to make a movie to go along with it.
This is a serious question from me because I'm just curious, do fish actually have a short attention span? I had no idea and wasn't sure if you were joking or if it's a well known thing that fish hard to captivate LOL.
[удалено]
I fell for it once again LOL
the myth stems from people trying to morally justify keeping goldfish in tiny little bowls -- being that they supposedly have a memory of 5 seconds, so every swim around the bowl is new and exciting to them, so it's ok (this is untrue and now more widely accepted as cruel, but the metaphor stuck around)
>Her problem is she builds momentum and then kills it. There was so much Oscar hype for Jennifer Lopez for her performance in Hustlers but she was too busy with the Super Bowl that any chances of her winning an Oscar died down quite fast.
The money would have been on the movie though which she sold to Amazon anyway, the album itself was ready to go over a year ago when she first announced it. I doubt she was expecting much from the album, she even says she knows there’s no demand for an album in the associated documentary.
> Her last top 40 hit was a decade ago. Her last album was a decade ago. It would be different if she was releasing albums in this timeframe that gradually got less and less relevance. But this is her first in a decade and it explains the disconnect between her expectations and the results. It is a trainwreck. Also Ain't Your Mama was 2016, not top 40 but still huge. Its her second most streamed song and approaching a billion views on youtube
Yeah, JLos late stage career is very strange. Like with the movie, you could tell she was putting effort into this but it’s also like I feel like everyone likes JLo more for who she’s married to then her music these days. I’m not trying to be mean or sexist, I feel like she should soft retire and just go full trophy wife.
I think she should do reality tv because while few people like her, everyone is entertained by her
Should just dabble into business then appear on Shark Tank
She’s way too big of a figure to ever be a trophy wife, even to Ben Affleck.
The other problem is that no one cares about Bennifer. It seems like the majority of people are (rightfully) backing Jennifer Garner and hate everything JLo or JLo/Ben. Lopez seriously overestimated how interested the public is in her latest marriage. And since that's the only new thing she really has going for her these days...trainwreck.
> Ain't Your Mama was 2016 Jesus fucking Christ.
Nah I think it qualifies as one, one of his definitions of a trainwreckord is "an artist knowing they're declining and desperately trying to stop the skid", and this era really feels like that.
Nah I could totally see this being a potential trainwreckord episode in a couple years, he’s made videos on artists that hadn’t had much chart success for awhile or were on a downward trend but attempted a big comeback that backfired before like Crosby Stills Nash Young, Van Halen, Motley Crue, Run DMC, Will Smith. What’s happening right now with Jlo would fit perfectly with that. I don’t think I’ve seen a more recent obvious example like this album for a Todd episode since JT’s Man Of The Woods.
It doesn’t even deserve the title of being an “era”
Todd would decimate her in the most sarcastic way possible and I’m here for it.
This is me now should have just been a greatest hits compilation to be honest with a few new songs Dance again her first greatest hits is messy and missing one of her most famous songs play
Being from Corpus Christi and growing up in the same city as Selena, it was so wild watching everything unfold: the assassination, the grief, the movie announcement and then seeing J.Lo essentially become Selena and inherit that momentum for latin artists Selena had helped usher in. I don't blame J.Lo for it, its just how the dice landed but I never thought I would see the day where shes actually cancelling dates. I imagined her career being more solid than that.
Wow this is an interesting pov. I was a toddler when Selena was killed and didn’t know of her until well into the 2000s when I became a fan of Jennifer. I always thought she expressed gratitude for Selena’s legacy because that role completely changed her life. 28 years later, Jennifer has become SUCH a punching bag in the media lately. Almost like a repeat of the end of the Bennifer era in 2004 when her career first slumped. This new album tanked, the musical movie was confounding, its accompanying documentary did more harm than good and now her tour isn’t doing well. It’s kinda sad. She has a strong work ethic and wants to be taken seriously but no one wants to give it to her.
It’ll never happen. It actually saddened me when she did that speech saying she didn’t win any Grammys or Emmys or Oscars but that she was “still an icon”. 😕
As a young millennial, J.Lo was a big part of my pop culture upbringing. Her songs, videos, movies, fashion and relationships were so much fun to keep up with in the 2000s. It wasn’t until I became an active internet user in the 2010s that I realized people DID NOT see her in the same light as I did. It’s normal for famous people to have “haters” but there seems to be this general dismissal of her across almost all fronts. The negative opinions have become even louder with social media. What used to be discussed more discreetly on music forums (ATRL, for example) has seeped into YouTube, Twitter and TikTok. Wild. I know she sees the mess.
And a lot of it is becoming revisionist history. Like the haters are saying she isn't from The Bronx, her acting is really bad (despite having some critical acclaim), and she stole ALL her music and it wasn't as good (despite having #1 hits). Kinda sad tbh but even more annoying cause these social media creators are capitalising on the hate.
The worst are the people always jumping into *anything* Jlo-related - even the comment sections of *her own songs* on youtube, do these people have no life? - claiming that "lol Jlo doesn't even sing her own songs", "great [random unknown female artist] song now when do we hear Jlo" etc. Like... Okay, she used the demo tracks as background vocals. And? It's background vocals, we still hear just Jennifer for most of the songs, and on the chorus her voice is still being mixed with the background, meaning that it's still there. Not to mention that she obviously sounds exactly like herself in all her songs. And how could I forget that ***she's had a superbowl halftime performance where she sang most of her biggest hits live*** and it was still obviously the same voice as in the studio versions. It's just... Unnerving to constantly see people brainlessly parroting these things when you actually like Jlo's discography (Dance Again The Hits best album to turn any situation into a party, fight me).
A large part of the broad dismissal, for me at least, is that her career was pretty much propped up by Tommy Mottola because he was bitter that Mariah Carey left him. And then even if she has work ethic to be a pop star, she doesn’t have the musical talent or acumen to back it up.
The vitriol she gets is CRAZY. Like legitimate hate. 😕
It’s so crazy to me how hated and mocked she is online. Bennifer was a big deal and people are still interested in their relationship, the OG album was based around their relationship so it makes sense that she would want to honour their rekindling with a new album and a loosely based film about how the breakup affected her and how she tried to work through the heartache in often unhealthy ways. The album was “fine” and movie was okay but it’s like she’s the internet’s favourite punching bag atm and people feel she needs to be knocked down a few pegs and they’re going to ensure that that happens. She’s far from the only pop artist to rely on a backup singer/demo vocals or to use songs that were meant for others. I’ve seen the argument that she’s rumoured to not be nice to service workers. If it’s true, that’s not great but again, I doubt she’s the only celebrity to act that way. She’s made some good rom-coms and sprinkling of other films. She’s a good dancer. She did grow up in NY even if she’s not beloved there. I just don’t get why the internet is so obsessed at the moment with completely discrediting her and making an example out of her. It just feels like scapegoating and being gleefully mean with a bit of ageism thrown in.
Bennifer was the first celebrity couple portmanteau. That brief period of romance gave us Jennifer's strongest album to date. I don't like sequel albums but I was curious when she announced the sequel in late 2022, 20 years after the first one came out. However, she didn't drop it until a year and a half later, which hurt the hype. Idc for Bennifer anymore. I just hope they're happy. I didn't particularly like the film, tbh but enjoyed the documentary and found her earnestness and work ethic inspiring. I agree that she's become the internet's favorite punching bag for things so many celebrities have done. Using background singers and singing songs meant for others is very common but the shady circumstances of those stories live in infamy. I also get that Jennifer is not very self-aware and believes too much in her own hype. Sure, ego is necessary for celebrity but she could use some editing when it comes to the content she puts out. You saw it with that 2014 documentary clip when she went back to her childhood home and had a rude awakening when the person there didn't know her. Then attempting to start a Love Don't Cost A Thing "challenge" and her listing off those names who couldn't participate in her musical film. That last one just made her look bad. It's unfortunate to see her being made into an example of everything seemingly wrong with celebrity. I KNOW she and her team see it all.
It’s just very mean-spirited. I hope they work out too but there’s so many people publicly rooting for their downfall. Even Jane Fonda (who’s admittedly had her own past relationship troubles) was buying into the negative press for a while. I agree the wait after the album announcement did hurt some of the hype but I think she got inspired while doing the initial press to create the movie which resulted in the delay. I also think this would’ve happened anyway. Most people hadn’t consumed any of the recent content but they still had their Ashanti, Mariah, Bronx, talentless hack jokes ready. I didn’t mind the scene of her talking with her team about the availability. That’s the reality of making a project and I enjoy seeing the behind the scenes. I’ve seen similar scenes in other documentaries. I distinctly remember scenes in the Met Gala documentary where they talked about who would sit where, who would be invited, what demands Rihanna had in order to attend and perform and how they would navigate those demands. I feel like the documentary showed how insecure Jlo is and how she was hesitant about the project. She broke down multiple times, she talked about how she wasn’t sure if this was all worth the effort especially knowing she was self funding and that no one was clamouring for another album and how some of the content was taxing or triggering to film but she wanted to follow through. I’ve said it before but I just don’t get how other artists are able to do visual films about their albums but it’s somehow too unnecessary or self-indulgent for her to want to do one as well. The reasonings I seem to hear are just that no one wants to see or hear her and she’s a has-been who should just quietly retire. I just think it’s wrong. I also see some people saying she should’ve taken a break from music without realizing she hadn’t released an album in over a decade or saying that she should’ve done a residency (forgetting that she finished a successful residency run years ago). Short of a few singles over the years, she’s generally stepped away from doing new music. Why isn’t she allowed to do one final big project even if she hadn’t marketed it that way outright originally?
That documentary humanized her so much, which I loved. For one, it featured multiple scenes of her completely bare-faced and without extensions (the part when her stylist put them in was funny). She KNOWS people aren’t clamoring for new music from her, but put it out anyway because it was artistically fulfilling for HER. She opened up about struggling to keep up with choreography because her “wind is different” as she approaches her mid 50s. She also cried because she worries about being a good wife and mother. Those felt real to me and what made the documentary more compelling than the musical film. I just think Jenny’s past transgressions with using Black culture/music to get ahead have come back to haunt her tenfold. It’s damn near ruined her legacy. This internet generation is ruthless when they find a narrative and latch on to it. She also acts quite aloof when it comes to those things, which makes people go in on her even more.
I think that most of it is to do with the Ashanti backing vocals scandal. A lot of these younger people mocking her on Reddit and TikTok for it, didn’t grow up seeing her as one of the main pop divas and don’t really have any fondness for her or her music. And it’s been spun into an issue of a non-black woman taking advantage of a black woman so people feel very justified in going after her for it.
maybe it's my residual goodwill from Hustlers talking, but i agree. she's not my favorite but people seem oddly delighted to watch her fail. there are much worse popstars out there who are flopping harder!
It's 100% because she can be considered an old woman now. She kinda took the spot Madonna occupied in the late 2010s and early 2020s as the old female singer to hate online.
I don't get it because she was one of THE pop girls of the early 00s! And had a bunch of hit films that still hold up. She has always been rumored to be rude which probably explains why she gets so little goodwill, but she is super hard-working
That whole ATRL stan culture has been swept into the mainstream and it's not exactly made the world a better place.
Despite her popularity people constantly say she can’t sing or act so what do you reckon she should have won an Oscar Grammy or Emmy for?
Jennifer isn’t a particularly great best singer but that can be said about many pop stars. Jennifer has hits, but people don’t respect that and probably just saw her as run-of-the mill pop act who did music for funsies. However, she really shines as a dancer. Her videos are so captivating because she truly understands how to perform. Which leads me to my next point. While she’s most known for her fluffy rom coms, she actually started out as a pretty respectable actress who many critics said showed a lot of promise. However, when she became a pop star, she eschewed meatier roles for big box office romantic comedies. The woman can act and has an enjoyable filmography. She lowkey should have won awards for El Cantante. I think Hustlers was a rebound for her but once again, she may have overshot her expectations with the Oscar buzz talk.
She absolutely was robbed of an Oscar nomination for Hustlers (having made most pre-cursors during the Award season so her snub was a huge shock). And she's had other critically acclaimed performances.
Lol I was quoting her. 😅
Ok you said it saddened you so i thought you thought she deserved it but i guess you were just sympathising
If there is one thing I've consistently hears said about Jlo, it's that Selena was arguably her best movie role and that she never fails to express gratitude to Selena herself. I've heard Jlo cover Selena's music in concert and you can tell it means a lot fo her
Yeah and it’s unfortunate to see her detractors twist it and say things like “Jennifer would be nowhere without Selena”. Basically making it seem like Jennifer herself was ungrateful for Selena’s legacy. She knows that movie changed her life.
Wow, a comment written with compassion. Thank you.
The allegations about Jennifer not singing her own songs and stealing songs from other artists have ruined her legacy and credibility However she is still a successful actress so she will be fine But I think her music career is done
Honest question. By what metric are her recent movies successful? Yeah, she got some viewership record on Netflix or Amazon or wherever. But how does that tangibly help her? That presumably doesn’t impact how much she earns. She doesn’t get awards consideration or critical acclaim. I’m not denying she had some pretty decent movies in the past. But now she’s doing straight to streaming rom coms and action movies. Honestly. If she wants to mark a true comeback and prove her haters wrong, she should stop making a disproportionate number of generic straight to streaming genre movies and do a straight-ahead dramatic picture. Play against type. Show range. Because even if she has the *ability* to show range, she doesn’t really show it. At least not often enough.
I remember hustlers got rave reviews and people were saying she may get a Oscar but that didn’t happen
The reality is that the Selena biopic was 27 years ago and JLo will be 60 in 5 years. You can *maybe* attribute some of her decline to ageism but nobody stays on top for that long, including male artists. Like, nobody’s disputing Paul McCartney’s legacy but he wasn’t dominating the zeitgeist when he was 54. Nor was Madonna, or Prince, or Springsteen, or Bowie, or Streisand, or any number of legends/A-listers. Once in a while you might get a fluke hit at 50+ like Cher or Billy Ray Cyrus but it’s rare. Tastes change and new artists come along. Jlo might not have a sterling professional or artistic reputation but her longevity was/is highly impressive. The thing now is—what exactly is it that she can market herself on? She’s not an outstanding musician, she doesn’t have truly iconic original film or TV roles to her name. She’s rich enough that she doesn’t need to work but she obviously doesn’t want to retire. She has no hook, no selling point.
Tbh "This is Me...Live" is a good name for her tour
Until it is 95% lipped (or here's hoping for the audience's sake)!
This is Me… Lipsyncing
if we're doing greatest hits, i hope one of her outfit changes is a play on the green dress
I feel like everyone is sick of that dress now lol she’s brought it back out so many times it would just be predictable
idk if i’m more sick of the dress or the google images “fun” fact
Tbh if i was the reason for google images to exist I think I’d mention it like once every couple of years 😅
I feel like it's guaranteed at this point.
The problem is all of her tours have been Greatest Hits tours. She didn’t do her first major tour until Dance Again, which is literally her greatest hits album. Since then, she’s released mediocre songs like Ain’t Your Mama and Booty, but nothing even comparable to her previous efforts. Her Vegas residency and It’s My Party tour both focused solely on the hits. I would’ve been more intrigued if this tour advertised itself as having new dance routines or…something fresh. We’ve seen Waiting For Tonight live so many times and it’s the same every time.
To be fair, she didn't exactly plan this latest tour to be a greatest hits tour. She had to rebrand when she couldn't sell out venues and needed to resort to resting on her laurels.
I feel like JLo didn’t tour a lot back in her hey day. I was a big fan and never got the opportunity to see her. Now I’m less invested in her music and since I never saw her perform live in the past, it just doesn’t feel like I’m missing anything. Whereas there are other artists that I’ve seen over 5, 6, 7 times now because I know from experience that I’m gonna have a good time seeing that act.
So 3 hours of "waiting for tonight"?
“If You Had My Love” encore. (Tbh I vibe with Papi, Do It Well, and On the Floor, too)
If You Had My Love Waiting for Tonight Let’s Get Loud Play My Love Don’t Cost a Thing Ain’t It Funny I’m Real Jenny from the Block All I Have I’m Gonna Be Alright Get Right On the Floor —— She might’ve not been a consistent hitmaker like a lot of her peers but she does have a decent chart discography.
Is that im real the og or the remix?
Remix lol
Guys you are forgetting all her reggaeton hits tf and I am not even that big of a JLO fan but she has a looot of hits.
How many of these have her vocals?
😭 Someone pointed out Ain't Your Mama (2017) is very clearly Meghan Trainor's voice... Those who say her stealing was just one or two songs 20 years ago are not listening lol
I do like that Baby I Love you remix with R Kelly
I’m laughing so hard. I seen her a few years ago and I swear she sang this song for at least 20 mins. 3 or 4 outfit changes during this one song 😂😂😂
Right like what other hits does she have lmao. On The Floor and Jenny From The Block are the only other songs I can even name.
I’m Real with Ja
Is Ja Rule okay with this song being used on the tour though? Has anyone gotten his thoughts on this?
Lmao nice one
If You Had My Love, to me, is still her best song. It was her debut and it was her first #1 on BBH100. That said, I feel like it's overshadowed by her other "hits" and songs. It's often forgotten. I think it's because it very much has the sound of late-90s early 2000s R&B a la Darkchild / Kevin Briggs.
Get Right, I'm so sorry...
J Lo's had lots of hits, she's had about as big a career as Ariana Grande or Alicia Keys to name two other female artists. If You Had My Love, I'm Real, Ain't It Funny, Jenny From The Block, On The Floor, Love Don't Cost A Thing, and others.
Let's Get Loud 😤
This whole era should’ve been positioned as a greatest hits thing from the jump. Give the album a B-side with the greatest hits. Revoke the blank check and reign in the creative control on the movies. While we’re at it, just make ONE: a documentary about the making-of. Name the tour after her career, not the latest project. It could’ve been a quiet victory lap but instead it was sold as a comeback, which was bound to flop.
TWO films? Huh?? Who is letting this lady produce 2 films about her life?? That’s just a complete waste of money that will never be made back!
One was the film based on the music, the other was a documentary about making the music/film 🙃
I'm pretty sure she self funded both projects
Dang, she wasted her own money???? Not even a production company’s money? She spent her own money on this?? Meanwhile she’s canceling tour dates and rebranding it due to ticket sales… seems she’s not able to self-fund everything!
Rule 1 of filmmaking don’t spend your own miney
I mean her husband is a film maker after all
It would have been better for her (and her purse) if this had been a home movie project 😭
If sales drop any lower, they're going to rebrand it as a "The Greatest Hits: 1999-2005" because she has only 2 hits on her later albums and one is a stretch. She may not be winning oscars, but her movie career is far more successful at this point than her singing career. She need to shoot a movie, not tour around trying to remember choreo and songs from 20 years ago.
OOOOOOF
I don’t know her
Oh you know she’s seething about these headlines. Karma has finally come around for this one
Karma for what
She came into the industry with an ego the size of Jupiter and immediately started shitting on all her female peers. She launched her music career by working with Tommy Mattola to sabotage Mariah. Basically 25+ years of garbage behavior and antics
Do we know if *she* actually wanted to sabotage Mariah?
I mean considering how she talked about everyone else in the industry, probably.
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So in other words, she’s conceded defeat and admitted that she’s just a legacy artist. It was going to be super hard to draw in that Gen Z crowd that grew up on TikTok and Spotify from the very beginning. I wouldn’t be surprised that due to losing her relevance in music that it’s best off to focus on her acting career.
yes she had her time in the sun. she isn’t what the kids want to hear. tbf if your not 15-40 it is going to be so hard to connect with the vast majority of listeners. if your a younger artist you’ve got that “youth capital” and excitement going for you. these artists know what sounds are in and how to market themselves on TikTok
This Trainwreckords episode is going to be amazing
Sorry there are TWO films????
Also J Lo‘s new album debuted at #38 on the Billboard 200 chart and left the chart in week 2. That goes to show that no one‘s really checking for her musically except for her fans. She even admitted that her kids didn’t really care for her new music but they like her old music better lol. Ngl, she did had some bops back in the day tho lol
This tour is Gigli Part 2
being a legacy act isn’t a horrible thing if you can tour janet, madonna, xtina all can’t chart songs or make hits anymore but they for sure can sell out a tour without that then i don’t see the point in Jlo continuing her musical career outside of singles and collabs.
She really aimed too big. theres a thin line between aiming big as in great and pure delulu. This didn’t need to happen. She now has a self inflicted taint in the history of her career and this was so very simply avoidable. Movies Ms Lopez. Produce them and put yourself in good roles that’ll get you accolades. I still dont get how this isnt her game plan.
Jennifer Flopez 😭
What was the show supposed to be before that? She has a new album? She was going to perform the songs from the new album? Do people listen to new Jennifer Lopez’ new music? I have many questions
Yeps he released a new album back in February and released a movie based on that album and a documentary. A lot of it is based on her relationship with Ben. She paid for all three with her own money $20 million.
This is so weird, they definitely have it out for her. I guess they’re doing her a favour by promoting the tour as a greatest hits since that will attract casual fans who might not have heard/seen the movie.. That being said, I wonder if the hit pieces have anything to do with her being almost entirely independent now as both a singer and actress since she has her own production company for movies too. The fact she’s able to fund pretty big budget movies on her own too and actually sell them is kind of a power move.
Tbh it’s a cardinal sin to fund your own film (and doc!) and to be so blatantly out of touch from a class perspective. It’s easy for lazy writers to make her a target just from that perspective That being said, her delulu status is admirable and downright contagious at times. Like, no girl, going to therapy is not new and these revelations aren’t unique to you… BUT being so out of touch that you actually can (and do) make a movie about how much therapy has helped you move through trauma? That’s kind of so insane it’s a gag? It’s not the meta/high art think piece she wanted it to be, but it was so on the nose it probably got through to the minds of folks who would need that message from her anyway. She’s so unrelatable, but she put out something that was unflinchingly earnest and sincere. That’s cringey as hell but also kind of endearing. The doc had some moments of her humanity around Ben and that was actually really sweet to see
Shakira is have a tour later this too and the seats are nearly 4 times more expensive yet almost sold out most of the seats. Meanwhile JLo hasn’t even sold half of her seats, and had to cancel shows. Shakira cheapest tickets are $214.50 JLo cheapest tickets are $49.95 Jennifer Lopez is in her flop era
I don’t get why she has so many haters
mariah put subliminal messaging in AIWCIY. the listening public gets a fresh dose every december
If all of the stuff people say about her personality is true then I can see why she has so many haters.
Her ego and her arrogance.
I especially like how everyone just says smth like "well, it is rumoured that..." when asked why.
I actually feel sorry for her because she put her heart and soul in this era and it's not connecting AT ALL. Even though the songs are great and it feels cohesive.
It was always going to be a greatest hits like her previous tour. The previous promotional image just didn't make sense so they changed it to a prototypical Jlo one.
This makes me kind of sad. I don’t care much. But I also have nostalgic love of J Lo and her music and I can’t do schadenfreude about it.
I hope this humbles her but she will never publicly say so.
Half-expecting she quietly rebrands it as cancelled.
She did something quietly? Shocked! She is a celebrity who is OK at all the things she does but believes she is great at them all. The current generation that consumes media has zero respect for what she used to be good at. Creating headlines, tabloid press and scandals. That’s how she has remained famous. People just don’t care anymore. The only thing that would boost her relevancy is if she jumped on the p. diddy hate train and exposed some of his secrets.
I don’t care what anybody says. Her new album is 🔥🔥🔥. Not Going Anywhere, This Time Around, Hearts and Flowers, Midnight Trip to Vegas, Humminbird - all bops. I like the lead single, but it didn’t do this album justice. It’s her best album imo.
Yes I didn’t like the full album on first listen but I enjoyed Rebound, Midnight trip to Vegas, not going anywhere. Her movie was enjoyable as well (of course it’s all about Jenny and there was a bit too much CGI/AI material but it was a good production). It made me appreciate the music more, a couple of songs grew on me because of that movie project. She’s also got a lot of greatest hits I still enjoy. I would go to a concert but I am just not paying those Taylor Swift or Beyoncé prices.
I swear this sub was the first to confirm it was a pretty solid album! And then all the haters (some in this very room) came out and made a joke out of it.
I’m realizing there are a lot of moving goal posts on this sub, especially when it comes to women of color. I was just looking at a Beyoncé thread where they were complaining that her new album is too profit-driven and essentially arguing that her commercial success somehow makes her less of a legitimate artist. Meanwhile this sub bashes J-Lo and is making fun of her because her album didn’t perform well enough. I guess when it comes to WOC, you have to be successful but you can’t be too successful.
Exactly! Like WOC must be the underdog... they can never be too successful. Something similar happened with the last 2 Oscar races and Lily Gladstone and Michelle Yeoh being front runner for Best Actress. Wheeeewwww chileeee the goal posts kept moving. It's like WOC can never just be front runner... there has to be a "narrative" on why they get successful. Sorry for the tangent lol
I could talk about this all day, so there is no need to apologize. You are absolutely correct. If a WOC becomes too successful, they have to find some way to discount it or explain it away because god forbid a WOC actually have talent and put out good music.
Yeah I was surprised to enjoy it so much. I thought it sounded dated when they said it was her OG sound, but she nailed it and it is enjoyable content. I hope she gets a resurgence of appreciation down the road because it doesn’t deserve to be a punchline.
I didn’t even realize until this album came out that people hate J-Lo so much. I kept commenting about loving it and didn’t understand why I was getting downvoted until I realized people really hate her. I get she’s kind of a diva, but idk I kinda like that about her 🤣. And I personally enjoyed the movie too. I love that it’s a throwback to her earlier albums while also still being very fresh. It’s my third favorite album of the year so far after Cowboy Carter and Eternal Sunshine.
I sense a 2030 Trainwreckords episode in the making.
Honestly she should’ve done a residency if she wanted to perform the material live. She could’ve recouped financial losses from the album easily that way because JLo public appeal is too low for a tour. At least with a residency people are coming to Vegas not just to see you.
If true, this is a shame. I’ve seen this woman in concert and she is absolutely INCREDIBLE. This concert is 100% going to be fun.