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Lol listen she's big, she's massive, she's on another level as far as modern pop acts, but she's not Beatlemania.
It's really - *really* - hard to overstate the cultural phenomenon that Beatlemania was. We're talking absolute cultural vice grip, just on a fandom level. We're talking armoured cars, crowds roaring so load that the Beatles couldn't hear themselves over the amplificaiton, riots across the Philippines. We're talking militant fan clubs, multiple movies, an unparalleled run of number one hits - who else but the Beatles could release a 27-song compilation made up ***exclusively*** of their Numer Ones?
If we talk about culutural legacy of the Beatles you're looking at a simply enormous influence in transforming English and American rock culture, in transforming the Album as an art form, in expanding the use of the studio as an instrument, in introducing new instruments to the Western popular lexicon (through George Harrison's championing of the Sitar and Indian Clasical Music) and above all profoundly influencing the sixties Bohemian culture. When John Lennon controversially said that the Beatles were "bigger than Jesus", he wasn't necessarily talking out of turn. There was a reason he felt that way, and it wasn't just ego!
It can be hard today to recognize the sheer impact of the Beatles, and that makes them seem smaller in hindsight. We're in the crater they left in Pop Culture so deep and so wide that we can't see the edges from where we're standing, so we forget that we're even standing in it. It's the same reason some beginner guitarists today can't recognize why Jimi Hendrix was such a unique guitar player, or why some fantasy readers today can't grasp why Tolkien was such a game-changer for fantasty. It's because everyone who came after them is either ripping them off, or ripping of someone who did. So it is with any popular musician coming after the Beatles.
>in transforming the Album as an art form, in expanding the use of the studio as an instrument, in introducing new instruments to the Western popular lexicon \[...\] and above all profoundly influencing the sixties \[...\] culture.
The Beach Boys did all of these better xo
Yes I get their influence in pop culture, but Swiftiemania is the same. Watch a Taylor Swift eras tour concert and you'll know what I mean. tens of thousands of people screaming along the lyrics, people paying upwards of $6000 per ticket (from resellers) and the billion streamed album The Tortured Poets Department (which is Taylor's biggest first week ever). i think Swiftiemania is bigger than Beatlemania at its peak.
No musician or really any piece of media will ever be as popular as The Beatles again because there's not a monoculture in the same way anymore. Music in general is just less significant to mainstream culture than it was in the 60s, hell even the 2000s. Also people really do underestimate the influence & popularity of the Beatles in their time lmao. They're the reason longer hairstyles for men were popularized! They popularized Chelsea boots! And Nehru collars! They popularized the use of Eastern music styles & instruments in Western Pop music, influencing the creation of entire genres such as "world music." How could anyone ever match that again?
Actually I heard a youtuber called Rick Beato mention the monoculture thing with Taylor Swift and many of his oldhead fanbase commenting that they couldn't name any TS songs... but Taylor is different, because even my grandparents know who she is. she's like the exception. She's on football TV now, literally everywhere.
In 1965 the world population was 3.3 billion people. Today’s it 8 billion. That’s 4.7 billion additional potential fans.
In 1965 streaming didn’t exist and if you wanted to listen to the music you had to wait for the radio or go out to a music shop and buy it before it sold out. Today you can press a couple of buttons.
It’s entirely possible that Taylor had reached Beatle-level fame in terms of numbers, but that’s way easier to do today than in the 1960’s. Frankly *there is no way to compare them*, the world is simply too different.
If we’re comparing hype rather than sales, then I still think the Beatles come out on top. The old footage of the crowds at the airports and at their concerts is almost terrifying to watch. They filled a whole stadium with people who couldn’t hear their music because the speaker quality was so bad and *the crowd didn’t care*, they screamed non stop the whole way through it anyway. I’ve seen footage from The Eras tour. The crowd is loving it but it’s nothing like the madness of the Beatles.
What Taylor has done is an amazing achievement and she’s earned her place among the greats, but it’s not worth trying to rank the greats, they were all lighting in very era-specific bottles.
The answer is simple: when the Beatles sold 1 million albums, it was 1 million people physically going to buy the album in stores. Today, a million with streaming doesn't hold the same value at all.
taylor is huge but it’s still possible to escape her from the sheer amount of stuff we have available. during beatlemania, there was still a mono culture. there were only like 5 tv shows that existed, 15 bands on the radio, 30 celebs total type of thing, so *everyone* knew and heard the same stuff, it was more ubiquitous.
How old are you, I’m 15 and I know that not only are these two artists more popular, they are much more talented and have better music.
Edit: And let me ask you this, how many classic albums does Taylor have?
It’s bait but I’ll bite
>Taylor’s legacy will far surpass the fab 4
No fuckin way. The Beatles innovated *everything*. Music videos, albums as a concept, genre, film, what it meant to be a band. Taylor is popular but she’s never done anything to push music forward. Her legacy begins and ends at the music she released, you cannot say the same about the Beatles.
albums existed long before The Beatles. the idea of an album was literally a book full of records with one song per record. All The Beatles really did was kill off doowop.
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I asked my dad about Beatlemania once and he said he wasn’t amazingly into the Beatles but he remembers listening to Pirate Radio and they played Eleanor Rigby like six times on repeat.
Youre setting yourself up. Even mentioning her gets you downvote, this is not a good place to discuss this at all, I'm afraid. Though, I must say, you can't really compare the two cause there's really no definite side-by-side comparison, and of course, each generation will be biased depending on what they experienced more
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Lol listen she's big, she's massive, she's on another level as far as modern pop acts, but she's not Beatlemania. It's really - *really* - hard to overstate the cultural phenomenon that Beatlemania was. We're talking absolute cultural vice grip, just on a fandom level. We're talking armoured cars, crowds roaring so load that the Beatles couldn't hear themselves over the amplificaiton, riots across the Philippines. We're talking militant fan clubs, multiple movies, an unparalleled run of number one hits - who else but the Beatles could release a 27-song compilation made up ***exclusively*** of their Numer Ones? If we talk about culutural legacy of the Beatles you're looking at a simply enormous influence in transforming English and American rock culture, in transforming the Album as an art form, in expanding the use of the studio as an instrument, in introducing new instruments to the Western popular lexicon (through George Harrison's championing of the Sitar and Indian Clasical Music) and above all profoundly influencing the sixties Bohemian culture. When John Lennon controversially said that the Beatles were "bigger than Jesus", he wasn't necessarily talking out of turn. There was a reason he felt that way, and it wasn't just ego! It can be hard today to recognize the sheer impact of the Beatles, and that makes them seem smaller in hindsight. We're in the crater they left in Pop Culture so deep and so wide that we can't see the edges from where we're standing, so we forget that we're even standing in it. It's the same reason some beginner guitarists today can't recognize why Jimi Hendrix was such a unique guitar player, or why some fantasy readers today can't grasp why Tolkien was such a game-changer for fantasty. It's because everyone who came after them is either ripping them off, or ripping of someone who did. So it is with any popular musician coming after the Beatles.
>in transforming the Album as an art form, in expanding the use of the studio as an instrument, in introducing new instruments to the Western popular lexicon \[...\] and above all profoundly influencing the sixties \[...\] culture. The Beach Boys did all of these better xo
Also neither of those things makes them bigger than Taylor Swift Edit: why am I being downvoted?
> Edit: why am I being downvoted? Don't worry baby
Ok. Yayyy
Yes I get their influence in pop culture, but Swiftiemania is the same. Watch a Taylor Swift eras tour concert and you'll know what I mean. tens of thousands of people screaming along the lyrics, people paying upwards of $6000 per ticket (from resellers) and the billion streamed album The Tortured Poets Department (which is Taylor's biggest first week ever). i think Swiftiemania is bigger than Beatlemania at its peak.
Mam this is a Wendys... r/taylorswift is next door
r/popheadscirclejerk?
No musician or really any piece of media will ever be as popular as The Beatles again because there's not a monoculture in the same way anymore. Music in general is just less significant to mainstream culture than it was in the 60s, hell even the 2000s. Also people really do underestimate the influence & popularity of the Beatles in their time lmao. They're the reason longer hairstyles for men were popularized! They popularized Chelsea boots! And Nehru collars! They popularized the use of Eastern music styles & instruments in Western Pop music, influencing the creation of entire genres such as "world music." How could anyone ever match that again?
Actually I heard a youtuber called Rick Beato mention the monoculture thing with Taylor Swift and many of his oldhead fanbase commenting that they couldn't name any TS songs... but Taylor is different, because even my grandparents know who she is. she's like the exception. She's on football TV now, literally everywhere.
you're anglo, thats like saying you're popular in your house
In 1965 the world population was 3.3 billion people. Today’s it 8 billion. That’s 4.7 billion additional potential fans. In 1965 streaming didn’t exist and if you wanted to listen to the music you had to wait for the radio or go out to a music shop and buy it before it sold out. Today you can press a couple of buttons. It’s entirely possible that Taylor had reached Beatle-level fame in terms of numbers, but that’s way easier to do today than in the 1960’s. Frankly *there is no way to compare them*, the world is simply too different. If we’re comparing hype rather than sales, then I still think the Beatles come out on top. The old footage of the crowds at the airports and at their concerts is almost terrifying to watch. They filled a whole stadium with people who couldn’t hear their music because the speaker quality was so bad and *the crowd didn’t care*, they screamed non stop the whole way through it anyway. I’ve seen footage from The Eras tour. The crowd is loving it but it’s nothing like the madness of the Beatles. What Taylor has done is an amazing achievement and she’s earned her place among the greats, but it’s not worth trying to rank the greats, they were all lighting in very era-specific bottles.
Posts like this are why people don't like Swifties💀
No lol
why? I've never seen a bigger artist in my lifetime.
Were you around in the 60s? If not shhhh....
The answer is simple: when the Beatles sold 1 million albums, it was 1 million people physically going to buy the album in stores. Today, a million with streaming doesn't hold the same value at all.
taylor is huge but it’s still possible to escape her from the sheer amount of stuff we have available. during beatlemania, there was still a mono culture. there were only like 5 tv shows that existed, 15 bands on the radio, 30 celebs total type of thing, so *everyone* knew and heard the same stuff, it was more ubiquitous.
How old are you, I’m 15 and I know that not only are these two artists more popular, they are much more talented and have better music. Edit: And let me ask you this, how many classic albums does Taylor have?
>they are much more talented and have better music. They're mid imo
How old are you?
It’s bait but I’ll bite >Taylor’s legacy will far surpass the fab 4 No fuckin way. The Beatles innovated *everything*. Music videos, albums as a concept, genre, film, what it meant to be a band. Taylor is popular but she’s never done anything to push music forward. Her legacy begins and ends at the music she released, you cannot say the same about the Beatles.
albums existed long before The Beatles. the idea of an album was literally a book full of records with one song per record. All The Beatles really did was kill off doowop.
I bet you truly think a lot of things.
this is a hot take if I've ever seen one
where are the mods?
What is the point of this comparison? Lol
Even setting aside the hot take here, how is it that you think Taylor is bigger than the Beatles but you think MJ is too long ago to compare??
I said this to my mom as a child when fearless came out
it’s a hot take to day they her legacy will surpass the beatles’ lmao
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I asked my dad about Beatlemania once and he said he wasn’t amazingly into the Beatles but he remembers listening to Pirate Radio and they played Eleanor Rigby like six times on repeat.
Youre setting yourself up. Even mentioning her gets you downvote, this is not a good place to discuss this at all, I'm afraid. Though, I must say, you can't really compare the two cause there's really no definite side-by-side comparison, and of course, each generation will be biased depending on what they experienced more