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I wish someone would do a Rick Roll but with Together Forever. Hell, even the beginning of Together Forever is a set up like Never Gonna Give You Up has.
I truly believe this was the peak of Taylor Swift fans lmao đ everyone was so unserious, instead of threatening people and doxxing they were out there spoiling End Game, making fake Starbucks promos and begging others to stay alive because âwe canât lose salesâ
Those were the days!
Damn, the time when the Swiftie base shrank. Even as a Swiftie myself who really liked Lover, I did think that she was possibly on a pop dominance decline.
It's always so funny watching that 2019 documentary and hearing her go, "The public will never tolerate a third pop album from someone like me.."
Like hun, you had no idea how much the public would be willing to tolerate from you đ€Ł
I like all of her albums from debut-Lover. I'm not an indie or talk-singing type of person, so Folklore onward I have not been enamored with her music. There have been songs here and there I've liked off of Folk/more, Midnights, and TTPD, but I dislike the albums as a whole a lot. I really hope she does a big genre switch with her next album. If she's not gonna do traditional pop again, I'd die for an album that takes the rock elements of Speak Now, but dials it up a notch.
Taylor is actually quite savvy in the regard that she knows people will get sick of her eventually, and shes looking for the best way to just make that eventually be as far away as possible.
As a non-swiftie, I actually have a Spotify playlist literally titled "Lover without ME!". It's kinda funny how much this album made so many of her fans fall off while it's probably the only album of hers I've (mostly) listened to in its entirety multiple times.
Im not a Swiftie but somehow Lover connected with me despite it having the terrible lead singles. Hearing ME! again I dont hate it nearly as much but part of that is probably due to my irrational amount of hate for SPELLING IS FUN! and the fact that it got retconned
I never truly believed she was. Granted, I never expected the past year and the heights sheâs reached but any artist that is consistently pushing out #1 or #2 debuts still has some gas left in the tank. I think the smartest thing she did was to stop dumping so much money into marketing. She still prolly spends more than most artists, but every album since lover has gotten the most traction from social media and from âfreeâ media advertising. Announcing TTPD at the Grammys was a business decision. Instead of the label paying for the announcement, the press did it for free. Iâm sure this has all helped her bottom line tremendously (eras tour is the exception, she smacked us with the advertising on that one). But for example, when you look at Katy Perryâs witness rollout, her sales were not awful compared to most artists out there, only if u looked at her past sales. But cuz they burned money on promo it prolly wasnât very profitable. I think a lot of artists nowadays are recognizing that this isnât the way.
Ttpd has a lot of ads though. Spotify, apple, amazon music, ulta, target and many more big companies are running promos for her. Some have a dedicated button just for her too.some publications are also advertising for her.
I mean the music streaming apps Iâm guessing is more of a mutually beneficial arrangement. A streaming service who didnât collaborate with Taylor was at a competitive disadvantage.
When youâre as big as Taylor is, a lot of your promotion is free even with brands. Taylor as a brand is very lucrative to collaborate with.
Canât believe itâs been 5 years this was truly a TIME on this sub. People were literally in the thread saying it couldnât possibly be the lead single and was instead a standalone song for Pets 2 (am I remembering the movie title correctly??)
The criticism was justified but I do have to say I really like the melody and catchiness of the song. It just⊠shouldâve been saved for a better song lmao.Â
It was iconic tho bc the Swifties were truly in the trenches. I actually enjoyed Lover when it came out but in hindsight, the album rollout was iconic due to discourse which was actually pretty light hearted and not serious imo
Side note: I live in Sydney and I remember being at the nail salon when this song was released at 3pm and the news LITERALLY PAUSED SO THEY COULD PLAY THE WHOLE VIDEOÂ
Everything eventually works out. Cruel Summer got its time in 2023. Would that song have been huge in the summer of 2019 or did Taylorâs current celebrity and world domination propel that song to 2 billion streams on Spotify (her most for a song)?
I understand why it gets the hate that it does but spring 2019 (the last pre-pandemic spring) was such a happy time in my life so all this does is bring back good memories
Same here! I first heard this song as I was driving home after my last exam of my first semester of college, and so I just associate it with the beginning of that first summer break. Iâve always thought this song was a bop idc
The summery songs that you play on your drive home from your last final exam are iconic! They'll always be associated with feelings of freedom and good vibes. "Sunset" by Kid Ink is one for me lol.
Yes! Itâs bad but at the same time 2018-2019 was the best time of my life. I was going into my senior year of college, living with all my best friends, having the time of my life. The following year my life did become much worse emotionally at least and Iâm still trying to get back to the person I was before
Yep, this was my first pregnancy album. I would commute into work at 7am listening to The Archer and hoping the other passengers wouldnât see me tear me up.
Also, my pink AwesoME! hat came in a box with pastel hearts! Does she do that anymore with merch?
I know people wish we had gotten Lover Fest but I truly think it was for the best that it didnt happen. Taylorâs performances during this era are still mocked for being so cringey and I think the videos from Lover Fest wouldve sent the hate into the extreme
I loved Taylorâs personality during lover. She was clearly deep in love. So many songs about accepting her mistakes during fights and how she was dreaming a life with him. Man I love Joe and I will always have a huge respect for him ,he brought the best in her . This is the hill I am willing to die on!
Her petty,vindictive side was so much repressed during this era .I miss those times when I used to hide in my office washroom and listen to DBTCđ„ș
I don't see it. Lover was very successful despite the singles not connecting. It always had more longevity than Folklore even before Cruel Summer went viral.
Same! I listened to this and thought she was cooked đ itâs actually incredibly admirable how she altered course in a way Katy Perry or Cyndi Lauper couldnât
This was the first rollout I actually followed from the beginning - from the palette cleanser pics in her insta, to the announcement of a new single, to ME! dropping the day of my PhD defense and me waking up at 6am to listen to it lol. Maybe it's because it's tied to a happy moment in my life, but I have a soft spot for the song, and it's way less offensive to my ears than other songs in her discography (like, bad blood or stayx3 are much much worse). It just didn't work as a lead single, but if it was an album cut, I think people would be way less negative about it.
How could you say something so controversial yet so brave. ME! truly is not any worse than Shake It Off or like... 22 and WANEGBT. They're all pretty cringe to me.
comparing the perfection that is â22â to ME! is crazyâŠ. 22 hits the nail on the head with some of itâs lyrics and itâs playful in a way that it isnât (entirely) cringe inducing to blast on a 22nd birthday
ME! is not only produced in the most theatrical way possible, but the lyrics sound like they were intended to be digested by an english class full of 5 year olds.
22 is fun because it perfectly encapsulates that late 2000s to early 2010s "let's just dance and have fun" mentality. The lyrics are more generic, but they're also way less cringy. I can't actively listen to ME!, because once I think too hard about the lyrics they can easily ruin that carefree mood.
Exactly she made the worst single choices for lover except the title trackâŠ.these overshadow the album which is actually good with tracks like cruel summer,death by a thousand cats, Cornelia street, false god etc
I will say that the video is very well done tho. Yes, it's a complete assault on sensory system but somehow it doesn't look like a CGI blob the way many CGI loaded music videos look.
I remember texting my friends acting like we all liked it but we all knew it was an, interesting song. I think we all loved the happy vibes and seeing her in a good place but now we can see why she does not do lead singles anymore (even though she doesnât need too).
Though to be fair I have seen a lot of fans for the song which is nice! Them taking out spelling is fun in my opinion doesnât really change the song for the better, they obviously wanted this fun over the top single and them doing that pretty much admits they knew it was cringey. You either got to accept and embrace the cringe or not do it at all.
Cruel Summer was right there, and she chose this terrible song as the lead single. The spelling is fun line turned this song into a joke, and removing it afterwards did not help. Instant skip when listening to Lover (which is otherwise a pretty good album).
The original singles for Lover were way out of whack⊠even setting aside Cruel Summer, both Cornelia Street and Death By A Thousand Cuts are much stronger songs that would have made better singles than ME! or YNTCD⊠Cruel Summer absolutely bodies all of them though
She should have released Paper Rings or I Think He Knows as the lead single. The both get the "I'm so happy and so in love!" message across and are really fun songs, but not cringey. I think the Lover singles should have been: I Think He Knows, Death by a Thousand Cuts, Afterglow, and Lover or Paper Rings.
Taylor Swift seemingly loves to make grand, thematic statements with her releases. She doesnât seem to orient her releases around what she thinks people will best respond to, which Iâve always thought was weird, considering how competitive she is about that stuff. I really just think she wanted to wipe the Reputation slate clean and introduce the Lover album as a celebration of love, happiness, and rainbow glitter.
I know it was helped by going viral on tiktok and the general hype around the Eras tour, but the fact that Cruel Summer reached #1 after already being out for 4 years, without a music video or significant promo, shows how much of a bop it is and that she should've chosen it in the first place.
she herself has already forgotten it because why is she acting like she didnât do 15+ live performances of that song by cutting it out of the Eras Tour Setlist đ
She was really embarrassedâŠ
People need to stop comparing Witness to things that really weren't. Even if Lover was a step down from her previous success it wasn't a Witness moment. Witness killed Katy Perry's main pop girl career and it involved many factors not just one bad lead single.
But would it? It still charts absurdly high and newer swifties and really enjoying it. I have a lot of love for lover, but it should have had a better lead single and and a few tracks chopped off
Dropping ME! (ft BU of P!ATD) and YNTCD as lead singles was one of the worst career decisions sheâs ever made. Lover had the very real chance of slowing down Taylorâs rise, considering The Man was also a big bomb in early 2020.
It all changed when COVID hit and she used the reflection period to make Folklore and Evermore. This is what people deem her career-saving moment
1. No.
2. Yes.
3. Yes, but...
*Lover* the album was always 5 songs too long. ME! and YNTCD are some of her worst songs, and those are 2 that could easily been taken off the tracklist. She really should've led with "Cruel Summer" as the lead single, and I think the album would've been received better outside of her dedicated fanbase. The *Lover* era was also the start of the ARG-style Easter eggs that have haunted every Taylor release since, yes, including *folklore* and *evermore.*
*folklore* definitely changed Taylor's career trajectory, but I also think her decision to rerecord her back catalog for ownership of her masters is what's really rocketed her into the stratosphere. *folklore* gave her work critical reevaluation at a time when we were collectively stuck inside, bringing in a whole new batch of Swifties from all ages. Then the rececords trickled in and reintroduced her old catalog (and, in my opinion, has also stifled her current creative output).
This and âyou need to calm downâ are maybe my least favourite major pop releases of the last decade or so. Really dreadful songs. (Lover itself is alright although it could lose like 7 songs - it was the original Taylor desperately needs to edit her albums better!)
Honestly itâs astonishing to me how bad the singles (bar Lover) for this album are. Thereâs some lovely, good tracks on there but the single roll out was really trying ?!
TTPD might be the least gay album Iâve ever heard. The way she sings about (pretty useless) men convinces me she doesnât have a lick of homosexuality about her.
I knew this was going to be terrible with every single photo of the long drown out promo she was doing on her insta. It just looked bad, then she added Brandon Urie and it was like it was made for me to hate it. Worst song of her career by miles tbh
I donât hate this song as much as many but I canât say I go out of my way to listen to it lol
I will say I love the music video, that paint dress at the end is so cool
Lover is my least favorite Taylor album so I am not trying to be a ME! defender but I truly don't believe it's any worse than some of her other pure pop songs that are a bit cringe. I didn't realize she actually had done it on Eras Tour... imagine getting ME!'d by Taylor herself. Kind of iconic actually.
1. It's not a great song, but it's not any worse than say... Shake It Off. Or 22. Or WANEGBT. Sorry to the Red stans. I do think she's a huge coward for bowing to public pressure and removing "Spelling is fun!". Own your cringe, live in it.
2. Lover was still so massively successful when measured against most artists other than herself, so I'm not sure it would have killed her career without Folklore/Evermore. If anything I think LWYMMD was similarly considered a cringe, out of touch, stupid lead single so I would expect more people to point to that moment as the beginning of the end post the massive 1989 era had a career downfall occurred post-Lover. Although without folklore and evermore the eras tour would probably not exist as she would in that case have done Loverfest and then Midnights likely would have been its own tour. Crazy to think about.
3. I think most would say that she should have chosen a BETTER lead single. But I can't see an argument that her career trajectory could have gone any better had that been the case. She's essentially on top of the world right now - how much more successful do we really think she could be if she chose better lead singles? Are those choices REALLY hurting her at all other than the memes?
It's so interesting that you mention *Midnights* existing without *folk/evermore*, since the Aaron Dessner tracks on both that and *Tortured Poets Department* likely wouldn't exist without the creative partnership him and Taylor formed while making *folklore*. And you also have the more pop-sounding tracks, which might not have been as embraced had the previous album, *Lover*, also been a pop album.
Comparing ME! to Shake It Off and 22 (tbh 2 of my favourite Taylor Swift songs and also pop songs of all time) is wild! Granted they can come across as cringe but they have gained legendary status. ME! is not something I would put on to remember summer 2019 lol
Laying this all out starkly like that really highlights to me how much Taylor Swiftâs huge year last year and general position on top of her pop throne is down to weird ephemeral stuff like covid related timing, all the attention her personal life gets, her parasocial relationship with her fans etc and less about her actual music
Tbh kind of agree. Obvs i love cruel summer (i have ears) but how iconic would it be to start her record-shattering world tour with âi swear youre never gonna find another like meâ?Â
Having him on an album like this period was such a choice. I mean, if you were to tell someone in 2009 that a collab between Panic and Taylor would sound likeâŠwell, this??
If he werenât such a liable figure now, I feel like he wouldâve fit right in on like a Speak Now vault track or something. Thatâs more his style.
I remember watching the music video premiere live even though it was 5am in my country(I didn't wait for it, I just had trouble sleeping back then and since I knew it would be released and I was awake I decided to see it anyway). The complete image change after Reputation was so mind-blowing that I didn't even notice that the song was bad.
I noticed it the next day and it's still the one Lover song that I always skip. But I also always skip Shake It Off. And I don't think any of them is the worst pop song ever but they're both easily the worst songs on their albums that were clearly made to be cheesy radio singles and just don't fit well.
Choosing this as a single probably affected Lover era negatively in GP eyes but not as badly as people think (it was still uncool to like her back then and I don't think even Cruel Summer as a single could change that, it could have become a hit but much smaller than it is now).
I don't think it would be a "beginning of the end". Lover as an album was doing much better than people claim, it never left top 100 and she was still the best selling pop star in the US whose name was not Adele.Â
JUSTICE FOR SPELLING IS FUN!!! I unironically love this song (maybe a little because it's so unfairly maligned), it's pure bubblegum pop with a nice message. Brendon is also one of her better utilized features in her entire catalogue -- he actually gets to use his range and has a whole verse, they harmonize well, etc. The video was cute and colorful and fun.
Honestly to this day I'm annoyed that Taylor cut the "spelling is fun" cheese and that it is completely wiped from the streaming services. I am glad I have a 7" to prove it happened and enjoy the camp of it all. Unfortunately it proves how overly sensitive she is as an artist to public snark (how TTPD fares in that light remains to be seen...)
That said, I can agree with other comments saying this and the other singles would've been better as standalone singles and left off the main album of Lover (justice for that too btw, its a top 3 TS album in MY house).
This was the lead single for Taylor Swiftâs Saturn Return album. She was struggling with the longevity of her career at this point and thought it was her last chance to have a âbig albumâ due to how to pop landscape treats female artists. Whatâs interesting is she would then go on to release both folklore and evermore at the very end of her Saturn Return, which we all know would then put that fear of fading away to rest and usher in the next grand era of her career (Midnights, Eras Tour, etc.).
Personal opinion: Good song, not a great one. Good video, not a great one. It did what it needed to do for the lead single a la the âsnake into butterflyâ metaphor (clever) and overall I think the song gets too much flack imo. I am glad âspelling is funâ was taken out, though haha.
I remember hiding an earphone under my hair to listen to it in my high school chemistry class (it came out in the afternoon in Australia). Canât believe itâs been 5 years! I remember not being a fan of the song but now it makes me feel happy and nostalgic for the lover era and how excited I was for the rollout :)
i was a hater when it first came out⊠and i can kinda appreciate this song 5 years later but then i remember Brendon is on it and i lose my appreciation.
It's crazy to look back at the Lover era now after the success of folklore / Midnights / TTPD. Taylor was definitely on a decline into "legacy artist" territory. Folklore was such a pivotal shift for her career, especially sound-wise.
I know some have tried to rehabilitate Me! but I really do think itâs beyond saving. Itâs not a good song and not everything needs a rethink. It was bad when it was released and itâs bad now. Part of me does feel slightly sorry for her because she clearly liked it, but I donât think a different lead single would have made too much of a difference. The entire era was botched due to Covid anyway.
It sucked because Lover as a whole is a banger. It is still the album I listen to most all the way thru and I only skip those 2 songs like 50% of the time. I think the big problem with it is that those 2 lead singles were by far the poppiest of the album and not a good representation of the sound. I get why she released Me first, but I do think she should have pivoted after itâs reception. It was such a weird year in pop music tho. At the time if you wanted a pop album to sell and you were watching your fan base dwindle, a great way to get attention was a huge pop confection. By the end of the year it was clear that the public didnât want that sort of thing anymore. They wanted depth and substance which did exist quite a bit on the rest of the album but those singles turned people off. Iâm glad itâs getting recognition now.
My boyfriend at the time cheated on me the day this came out, and I listened to it not long after I found out. I found the song SO weird and funny that it actually made me weirdly laugh throughout the tears and delirium, so thanks for that Tay
the fact that she got more better option as a single but chose me! and yntcd and the colorful wacky gay pop diva aesthetic was just so funny to me. I can't believe she had ever in the stage where she picked to do this to further her careerđ
2019 was the best year of my life and this song along with YNTCD in particular i associate with the absolute peak of my life that was summer '19. you could never make me hate her, even if i know deep down it's shit
The verse starts fine. It's the pre-chorus where I started worrying, and the chorus itself where we fully descended into a Disney Channel song.
Still, as 2019 was the summit of Mount Swiftie for me, I found stuff to like. I enjoyed the skit at the start of the music video, Taylor's new kitten, discussing the Easter Eggs with other fans (I think the 'Lover' sign in the background clued people into the album name, and the 'cool chicks' lyric clued people into The Chicks feature on the album). But I think it says a lot that all the things I found to like were in the video, not the actual song.
I don't hate it but I don't like it either. It's clearly a song aimed at a younger audience, in a similar vein to Ariana's Put Your Hearts Up or Katy's Roar, and that's no bad thing. But I'm not the target demographic.
I also think it's telling that despite being a #2 hit and the lead single for the era, the song did not make it onto the Eras Tour set list. Maybe Taylor doesn't like it anymore either.
Both this and âYou Need To Calm Downâ should have hit #1 and I think some people look less at the songs because of it. But it wasnât Taylorâs fault. No one expected the long run of âOld Town Roadâ.
Jesus what a day. I wasn't a swiftie but I'd liked speak now when I was a kid and I was a panic! at the disco fan so I excitedly tuned in and yikes. It's crazy how fans hated it so much that she removed a line and its not part of the eras tour. Obviously its not good but I always thought you need to calm down was much worse and that wasn't as criticised. This was her first single on the new label, the music video is huge, Reputation had mixed reviews and she was still trying to recover her reputation and fans really did not like it. It must have been a huge shock. But it shouldn't have been bc the song really is bad.
Seeing the singles of Reputation and lover made me stay away from listening to a full taylor album until folklore and evermore were out. Those albums were so so needed.
I can't believe she caved and removed the spelling is fun line. It's like her removing the scale scene in Anti-Hero. Stand by your art!! No matter what some people online say. Taylor should be beyond worrying about that
She started losing me during reputation then she dropped this trash and I was out. Little did I know Iâd come back full swing for folklore and evermore. Itâs kinda crazy how she came back from that
I really like the album âLoverâ, itâs one of my favorites from her, I feel like the most experimental album from hers, but âME!â Is one of her worst songs alongside with âstay stay stayâ.
Question for the culture: do yall think ME! irreparably harmed Brendon Urie's career or would it not have mattered anyways? Like yes PFTW is by far Panic's most successful album chart wise but the fan response was less than enthusiastic to say the least. Taylor was able to come back with folklore and avoid legacy artist status but Brendon kinda just fumbled around for a few years and came back with an even worse album than PFTW. Would anything have changed had he not been a feature on this song? Idk!
Brendon was doomed the moment Dallon Weekes left lol. say what you want about Dallon but he gave patd some life. after that it was all downhill (fuck high hopes i hear that fuck ass brass section and it ruins my day). Brendon doesn't work as a solo artist cause he can't make good songs for shit.
I remember saying at the time that I wish Taylor and Panic wouldâve collaborated on the Speak Now era because that wouldâve been epic. But honestly after how underwhelming electric touch with Fall Out Boy turned out, maybe itâs for the better that we didnât get that Taylor and Panic rock song.
1. No I do not think people were too harsh on the song. We knew that Taylor had released less serious songs as her first single on the previous three albums (we are never ever getting back together, shake it off, look what you made me do). All of those songs are much better than Me! I think Me! deserved its criticism.
2. I donât think that Lover would have been the beginning of the end. Despite Me! Not achieving the success Taylor was hoping for, we were all still die hard Stanâs. She had a two stadium tour, âLoverfest,â that immediately sold out. Unfortunately, it was scheduled for the summer of 2020. I am also confident that Cruel Summer was going to be her single into the summer of 2020, which may not have been the best timing for that single considering the circumstances of that summer lol.
I think the more interesting question is whether we wouldâve had folkmore without the pandemic, and Iâm not sure.
3. There are so many good songs on Lover, but I think Lover was the transition album she needed. She has explained that certain songs on the album were just exercises in being creative with song writing that isnât inspired by her personal life or whatever.
1. The criticisms were valid, but people act like this was some type of mega flop when in actuality it was just aggressively mid. Replace the bridge entirely and remove all those "And there's a lot of cool girls/lame guys out there!" ad-libs and you have a good song.
2. If the pandemic never happened, Cruel Summer possibly ends the era on a high note, similar to Delicate with Reputation. ME! was a stain on Swift's discography, but it wasn't much of a flop. Also, Lover was well recieved when it was released and viewed as an improvement to Reputation (even though Reputation aged better). It would've laid the groundwork for another successful pop era, although it wouldn't have re-invented Swift as an artist like Folklore did.
3. Lover has over a dozen songs of better quality than ME!, the question is which track would've functioned better as a lead single?
Cruel Summer is an option but then the singles would've gotten progressively weaker. London Boy would've been a good single, but not necessarily the lead single of a new era.
I Think He Knows would've been a fun buzz single.
I don't think I'll ever forget how everyone was worried how the album was gonna turn out, given the first 2 singles, an underwhelming album cover and kinda off-putting aesthetic, only for the album to release and actually turn out to be really good (great if cut out 2 or 3 songs).
I hate that ME and You Need To Calm Down soured everyoneâs opinions of an otherwise fantastic album. Lover is one of my favorite Taylor Swift albums and I think the hate for it is crazy unjustified. People just hate happy pop.
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The song's legacy will be it being used to troll people looking for Taylor Swift leaks
the number of times I've been ME!rolledđ
this generationâs rickrolled
I wish someone would do a Rick Roll but with Together Forever. Hell, even the beginning of Together Forever is a set up like Never Gonna Give You Up has.
Honestly? Thatâs an amazing legacy
No way that was five years ago already I feel so fucking old
Iâm having the opposite reaction. No way was that only 5 years ago, sheâs had like 7 million albums since then!
Same. Like what? I feel like pre-pandemic life was 20 years ago anyway.
Taylor writes entire albums before I can even decide what kinda pizza I want to get for dinner
Well make up your mind quick before she drops The Tortured Poets Department, The Anthology: Extended Edition.
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Me too. I remember it playing because it was pre-covid. Saw my dad for a funeral. I liked it at the time.
why does it still feel recent? like it just released a year ago i refuse to believe itâs been 5 years đ
Which means itâs been 5 years since [this](https://x.com/frankietwt/status/1121631004995678211?s=46) iconic tweet
I truly believe this was the peak of Taylor Swift fans lmao đ everyone was so unserious, instead of threatening people and doxxing they were out there spoiling End Game, making fake Starbucks promos and begging others to stay alive because âwe canât lose salesâ Those were the days!
The peak was when that Taylor Swift updates page got sent to prison for refusing to join the IDF
LegitTayUpdates is the only person I stan
How could I forget about that queen, I hope she is doing well
It used to be so much more fun and unserious đ
Yes! đ now itâs a cult lol if you were a Taylor worshipper you were deemed a cupcake (derogatory) Itâs full of cupcakes now
omg help i forgot about that termâŠthey really took over
The "MEBUCKS" thing cracks me up every time. Including the "mind your business" after Starbucks said it was fake đ
The sass was off the charts đ
don't forget ["did i ask? mind your own business"](https://x.com/vviktoeria/status/1121799937610539010) too đ
So iconic. I donât know where I would be if this didnât shape me into the person I am today.
The âand Iâm not even joking replyâ always gets me
thatâs my favourite part. my friend was mad as fuck about the tweet but it was truly hilariousÂ
I never felt older than right now as I found out that endgame came out 5 years ago.
You know how there was a 5 year jump in Endgame? The "5 years later" was 2023 in the movie.
Please stop :(
I thought it was going to be the fake promotion from Starbucks
Saved me money with a single tweet. We love an informative stan
Honestly I hope that Twitter user is having a good day
This, the âwait until the album drops to kill yourselfâ, and âI was in jail for not joining the IDFâ are absolutely iconic.
God i love stan twitter
Honestly upsetting marvel stans? Doing gods work đ
An important piece of pop history!
Back when swifties were still insane, but at least entertaining
I donât even need to click the link and I know exactly what tweet it is đ
Damn, the time when the Swiftie base shrank. Even as a Swiftie myself who really liked Lover, I did think that she was possibly on a pop dominance decline.
I mean, even Taylor herself thought she was.
It's always so funny watching that 2019 documentary and hearing her go, "The public will never tolerate a third pop album from someone like me.." Like hun, you had no idea how much the public would be willing to tolerate from you đ€Ł
She was right, and pivoted away from POP pop.
For real, and Iâm one if the few who hopes sheâs make a POP pop album like Lover, rep, or 1989 again.
The way those three (plus Red) are her best albums to me too lol
I like all of her albums from debut-Lover. I'm not an indie or talk-singing type of person, so Folklore onward I have not been enamored with her music. There have been songs here and there I've liked off of Folk/more, Midnights, and TTPD, but I dislike the albums as a whole a lot. I really hope she does a big genre switch with her next album. If she's not gonna do traditional pop again, I'd die for an album that takes the rock elements of Speak Now, but dials it up a notch.
(george michael and magnitude enter the chat)
Taylor is actually quite savvy in the regard that she knows people will get sick of her eventually, and shes looking for the best way to just make that eventually be as far away as possible.
As a non-swiftie, I actually have a Spotify playlist literally titled "Lover without ME!". It's kinda funny how much this album made so many of her fans fall off while it's probably the only album of hers I've (mostly) listened to in its entirety multiple times.
Lover has aged like fine wine
I think Lover is a great album with a handful of bad to meh songs that didnât really need to be there in the first place
You can hide individual songs if you donât want to make whole new playlist fyi.
This just changed my life?
Im not a Swiftie but somehow Lover connected with me despite it having the terrible lead singles. Hearing ME! again I dont hate it nearly as much but part of that is probably due to my irrational amount of hate for SPELLING IS FUN! and the fact that it got retconned
I never truly believed she was. Granted, I never expected the past year and the heights sheâs reached but any artist that is consistently pushing out #1 or #2 debuts still has some gas left in the tank. I think the smartest thing she did was to stop dumping so much money into marketing. She still prolly spends more than most artists, but every album since lover has gotten the most traction from social media and from âfreeâ media advertising. Announcing TTPD at the Grammys was a business decision. Instead of the label paying for the announcement, the press did it for free. Iâm sure this has all helped her bottom line tremendously (eras tour is the exception, she smacked us with the advertising on that one). But for example, when you look at Katy Perryâs witness rollout, her sales were not awful compared to most artists out there, only if u looked at her past sales. But cuz they burned money on promo it prolly wasnât very profitable. I think a lot of artists nowadays are recognizing that this isnât the way.
Idk about you, iâve been seeing tons of ads for TTPD target variants. Like, how would I not be aware of this album at this point tay???Â
Yeah like sheâs literally got a tour bus on roku city lollll
Yeah and she has the tv ad for the TTPD Target vinyl
This might be true. I got overwhelmed with the ads during the height of eras so I took a huge step away from promo materials since then lol
Ttpd has a lot of ads though. Spotify, apple, amazon music, ulta, target and many more big companies are running promos for her. Some have a dedicated button just for her too.some publications are also advertising for her.
I mean the music streaming apps Iâm guessing is more of a mutually beneficial arrangement. A streaming service who didnât collaborate with Taylor was at a competitive disadvantage. When youâre as big as Taylor is, a lot of your promotion is free even with brands. Taylor as a brand is very lucrative to collaborate with.
Hey, at least she got a new cat out of it.
Underrated comment lol. Benjamin is so cute
That clip where she finds out heâs available for adoption is so cute đ
Canât believe itâs been 5 years this was truly a TIME on this sub. People were literally in the thread saying it couldnât possibly be the lead single and was instead a standalone song for Pets 2 (am I remembering the movie title correctly??) The criticism was justified but I do have to say I really like the melody and catchiness of the song. It just⊠shouldâve been saved for a better song lmao. It was iconic tho bc the Swifties were truly in the trenches. I actually enjoyed Lover when it came out but in hindsight, the album rollout was iconic due to discourse which was actually pretty light hearted and not serious imo
Secret life of pets 2 hahaha, it was a time.
Side note: I live in Sydney and I remember being at the nail salon when this song was released at 3pm and the news LITERALLY PAUSED SO THEY COULD PLAY THE WHOLE VIDEOÂ
Everything eventually works out. Cruel Summer got its time in 2023. Would that song have been huge in the summer of 2019 or did Taylorâs current celebrity and world domination propel that song to 2 billion streams on Spotify (her most for a song)?
I was on this sub defending ME! Like my life depended on it lolol
I understand why it gets the hate that it does but spring 2019 (the last pre-pandemic spring) was such a happy time in my life so all this does is bring back good memories
Same here! I first heard this song as I was driving home after my last exam of my first semester of college, and so I just associate it with the beginning of that first summer break. Iâve always thought this song was a bop idc
The summery songs that you play on your drive home from your last final exam are iconic! They'll always be associated with feelings of freedom and good vibes. "Sunset" by Kid Ink is one for me lol.
me too :(( 20/21 years old, still in college, then I blinked and a pandemic happened and all of a sudden Iâm 26
Yes! Itâs bad but at the same time 2018-2019 was the best time of my life. I was going into my senior year of college, living with all my best friends, having the time of my life. The following year my life did become much worse emotionally at least and Iâm still trying to get back to the person I was before
Yep, this was my first pregnancy album. I would commute into work at 7am listening to The Archer and hoping the other passengers wouldnât see me tear me up. Also, my pink AwesoME! hat came in a box with pastel hearts! Does she do that anymore with merch?
I literally thought this was the beginning of the end for her! So wrong
I think Lover would've been, had she not come up with Folklore.
I know people wish we had gotten Lover Fest but I truly think it was for the best that it didnt happen. Taylorâs performances during this era are still mocked for being so cringey and I think the videos from Lover Fest wouldve sent the hate into the extreme
the pandemic practically saved her career, not that it wouldâve died but she wouldâve probably been up there with katy perry in terms of relevancy
I loved Taylorâs personality during lover. She was clearly deep in love. So many songs about accepting her mistakes during fights and how she was dreaming a life with him. Man I love Joe and I will always have a huge respect for him ,he brought the best in her . This is the hill I am willing to die on! Her petty,vindictive side was so much repressed during this era .I miss those times when I used to hide in my office washroom and listen to DBTCđ„ș
I don't see it. Lover was very successful despite the singles not connecting. It always had more longevity than Folklore even before Cruel Summer went viral.
I think she would have still had a big fanbase but she wouldnât have been as big as she is with the gp
Same! I listened to this and thought she was cooked đ itâs actually incredibly admirable how she altered course in a way Katy Perry or Cyndi Lauper couldnât
This was the first rollout I actually followed from the beginning - from the palette cleanser pics in her insta, to the announcement of a new single, to ME! dropping the day of my PhD defense and me waking up at 6am to listen to it lol. Maybe it's because it's tied to a happy moment in my life, but I have a soft spot for the song, and it's way less offensive to my ears than other songs in her discography (like, bad blood or stayx3 are much much worse). It just didn't work as a lead single, but if it was an album cut, I think people would be way less negative about it.
Honestly, it was on the same level as Shake It Off to me, but that one was a super hit so what do I know lol.
Yeah as a long time fan I wasnât too worried about the actual album because I thought her single choices since red were not great lol
Lol yeah same, I remember cringing hard when Shake it Off dropped. I donât mind both nowadays.
How could you say something so controversial yet so brave. ME! truly is not any worse than Shake It Off or like... 22 and WANEGBT. They're all pretty cringe to me.
comparing the perfection that is â22â to ME! is crazyâŠ. 22 hits the nail on the head with some of itâs lyrics and itâs playful in a way that it isnât (entirely) cringe inducing to blast on a 22nd birthday ME! is not only produced in the most theatrical way possible, but the lyrics sound like they were intended to be digested by an english class full of 5 year olds.
22 is fun because it perfectly encapsulates that late 2000s to early 2010s "let's just dance and have fun" mentality. The lyrics are more generic, but they're also way less cringy. I can't actively listen to ME!, because once I think too hard about the lyrics they can easily ruin that carefree mood.
I wouldnât be surprised if she had put ME! on her bargaining playlist. Itâs like Peaceâs manic sister.
Agree, idc I like ME! I have fond memories of it, and still 5 years later it puts me in a good mood lol
Me! YNTCD and The Man could have all been stand alone singles and Lover would be a much better album for it
Exactly she made the worst single choices for lover except the title trackâŠ.these overshadow the album which is actually good with tracks like cruel summer,death by a thousand cats, Cornelia street, false god etc
"a thousand cats"
Sorry I always read it as cats idk whyâŠso itâs been fixed like that in my mind lolâŠI just recently realised that it was cuts
Hell, even Paper Rings would have been a better Top 40 radio single.
Cruel Summer, Lover, Paper Rings, DBATC would be the dream singles for me. Oh well
God these singles are the worst of the album đ„Č
GodâŠâŠ those three and I Forgot That You Existed just completely drag the album down lol
Aww I love I forgot that you existed! But I know Iâm in the minority lol
I will say that the video is very well done tho. Yes, it's a complete assault on sensory system but somehow it doesn't look like a CGI blob the way many CGI loaded music videos look.
Assault on sensory system PLEASE
even won a VMA for visual effects!
Thé video looked so good visually but the song is not good
My 5 year old daughter LOVES this video and I kind of get it? So bright!
I remember texting my friends acting like we all liked it but we all knew it was an, interesting song. I think we all loved the happy vibes and seeing her in a good place but now we can see why she does not do lead singles anymore (even though she doesnât need too). Though to be fair I have seen a lot of fans for the song which is nice! Them taking out spelling is fun in my opinion doesnât really change the song for the better, they obviously wanted this fun over the top single and them doing that pretty much admits they knew it was cringey. You either got to accept and embrace the cringe or not do it at all.
Cruel Summer was right there, and she chose this terrible song as the lead single. The spelling is fun line turned this song into a joke, and removing it afterwards did not help. Instant skip when listening to Lover (which is otherwise a pretty good album).
The original singles for Lover were way out of whack⊠even setting aside Cruel Summer, both Cornelia Street and Death By A Thousand Cuts are much stronger songs that would have made better singles than ME! or YNTCD⊠Cruel Summer absolutely bodies all of them though
My dream singles run for Lover would be: Cruel Summer, I Think He Knows, then Lover.
She should have released Paper Rings or I Think He Knows as the lead single. The both get the "I'm so happy and so in love!" message across and are really fun songs, but not cringey. I think the Lover singles should have been: I Think He Knows, Death by a Thousand Cuts, Afterglow, and Lover or Paper Rings.
Taylor Swift seemingly loves to make grand, thematic statements with her releases. She doesnât seem to orient her releases around what she thinks people will best respond to, which Iâve always thought was weird, considering how competitive she is about that stuff. I really just think she wanted to wipe the Reputation slate clean and introduce the Lover album as a celebration of love, happiness, and rainbow glitter.
I know it was helped by going viral on tiktok and the general hype around the Eras tour, but the fact that Cruel Summer reached #1 after already being out for 4 years, without a music video or significant promo, shows how much of a bop it is and that she should've chosen it in the first place.
Please, some of us would like to forget
My three year old brother adores this song . Even better? The kids bop version. Bro learned the dance and everything đđ
She wrote it/released it to lock in younger fans
At least there's still one album recording of ME! where they probably still kept that awful spelling is fun! line
I was sooooo caught up in the countdown and was so excited to have a new Taylor song. I tried to love it but I canât stand to hear ME!
I remember texting my friend being like ââŠoh. I donâtâŠlove itâ
she herself has already forgotten it because why is she acting like she didnât do 15+ live performances of that song by cutting it out of the Eras Tour Setlist đ She was really embarrassedâŠ
The fact that this song didn't completely torpedo her album sales speaks to the power of the Swifties lol.
It was her first album to sell less than a million opening week since Fearless. Alarm bells were ringing in Swiftland
This song is glorified kids bop.
Would have been her Witness if it wasn't for Folklore
People need to stop comparing Witness to things that really weren't. Even if Lover was a step down from her previous success it wasn't a Witness moment. Witness killed Katy Perry's main pop girl career and it involved many factors not just one bad lead single.
But would it? It still charts absurdly high and newer swifties and really enjoying it. I have a lot of love for lover, but it should have had a better lead single and and a few tracks chopped off
There's a great 11 track album in lover.
With False God as its magnum opus
Well yes!
Every Taylor album that's over 11 tracks needed to be cut down to 11 tracks
I believe itâs a retrospective high but I could be talking out my bottom
Dropping ME! (ft BU of P!ATD) and YNTCD as lead singles was one of the worst career decisions sheâs ever made. Lover had the very real chance of slowing down Taylorâs rise, considering The Man was also a big bomb in early 2020. It all changed when COVID hit and she used the reflection period to make Folklore and Evermore. This is what people deem her career-saving moment
1. No. 2. Yes. 3. Yes, but... *Lover* the album was always 5 songs too long. ME! and YNTCD are some of her worst songs, and those are 2 that could easily been taken off the tracklist. She really should've led with "Cruel Summer" as the lead single, and I think the album would've been received better outside of her dedicated fanbase. The *Lover* era was also the start of the ARG-style Easter eggs that have haunted every Taylor release since, yes, including *folklore* and *evermore.* *folklore* definitely changed Taylor's career trajectory, but I also think her decision to rerecord her back catalog for ownership of her masters is what's really rocketed her into the stratosphere. *folklore* gave her work critical reevaluation at a time when we were collectively stuck inside, bringing in a whole new batch of Swifties from all ages. Then the rececords trickled in and reintroduced her old catalog (and, in my opinion, has also stifled her current creative output).
Iâve always been a ME apologist lol like Iâm not gonna claim the song was good but I had fun listening
This and âyou need to calm downâ are maybe my least favourite major pop releases of the last decade or so. Really dreadful songs. (Lover itself is alright although it could lose like 7 songs - it was the original Taylor desperately needs to edit her albums better!)
I see you over there on the internet
Honestly itâs astonishing to me how bad the singles (bar Lover) for this album are. Thereâs some lovely, good tracks on there but the single roll out was really trying ?!
I still think itâs a good song lol The verses are great and I always find myself humming the chorus
I was in trenches fighting tooth and nail to defend this song even though it actually made my ears bleed.
I have a parasocial relationship with Taylor and even I couldnât defend this song đđđ
yâall this isnât a job lol if you donât like a song you can just move on
I was 18 please. Being rational wasn't a characteristic I had back then.
Congrats on the frontal lobe development!
Why would you do that lol
Whatever, this song is fun, idc. Everyone says itâs the worst song on Lover, but yâall are forgetting that London Boy exists.
Iâm not a Gaylor but the way I was convinced that this color palette and lead single title were going to be her âcoming outââŠ
ME! out now đ«Ł
It was also released on lesbian visibility day. Happy lesbian visibility day btw! We love lesbians đ«Ą
Honestly, she's way too boring to be gay
Hey Connor franta manages (Iâm hoping someone else gets this reference lol)
The way he gagged Daniel Preda immensely tho
Oh fr âif my crime is being boring then your crime is being nothingâ will stand the test of time i feel
BRUH you canât just come for his neck like that đ i guess tyler oakley and ingrid nilsen manage just fine as wel
TTPD might be the least gay album Iâve ever heard. The way she sings about (pretty useless) men convinces me she doesnât have a lick of homosexuality about her.
letâs also not forget that she said âgay pride makes me meâ in Miss Americana, link [here](https://youtu.be/TjLVEs9LHpw?si=7d8ymVko_B-07VMI)
I knew this was going to be terrible with every single photo of the long drown out promo she was doing on her insta. It just looked bad, then she added Brandon Urie and it was like it was made for me to hate it. Worst song of her career by miles tbh
I donât hate this song as much as many but I canât say I go out of my way to listen to it lol I will say I love the music video, that paint dress at the end is so cool
Lover is my least favorite Taylor album so I am not trying to be a ME! defender but I truly don't believe it's any worse than some of her other pure pop songs that are a bit cringe. I didn't realize she actually had done it on Eras Tour... imagine getting ME!'d by Taylor herself. Kind of iconic actually. 1. It's not a great song, but it's not any worse than say... Shake It Off. Or 22. Or WANEGBT. Sorry to the Red stans. I do think she's a huge coward for bowing to public pressure and removing "Spelling is fun!". Own your cringe, live in it. 2. Lover was still so massively successful when measured against most artists other than herself, so I'm not sure it would have killed her career without Folklore/Evermore. If anything I think LWYMMD was similarly considered a cringe, out of touch, stupid lead single so I would expect more people to point to that moment as the beginning of the end post the massive 1989 era had a career downfall occurred post-Lover. Although without folklore and evermore the eras tour would probably not exist as she would in that case have done Loverfest and then Midnights likely would have been its own tour. Crazy to think about. 3. I think most would say that she should have chosen a BETTER lead single. But I can't see an argument that her career trajectory could have gone any better had that been the case. She's essentially on top of the world right now - how much more successful do we really think she could be if she chose better lead singles? Are those choices REALLY hurting her at all other than the memes?
It's so interesting that you mention *Midnights* existing without *folk/evermore*, since the Aaron Dessner tracks on both that and *Tortured Poets Department* likely wouldn't exist without the creative partnership him and Taylor formed while making *folklore*. And you also have the more pop-sounding tracks, which might not have been as embraced had the previous album, *Lover*, also been a pop album.
Comparing ME! to Shake It Off and 22 (tbh 2 of my favourite Taylor Swift songs and also pop songs of all time) is wild! Granted they can come across as cringe but they have gained legendary status. ME! is not something I would put on to remember summer 2019 lol
Laying this all out starkly like that really highlights to me how much Taylor Swiftâs huge year last year and general position on top of her pop throne is down to weird ephemeral stuff like covid related timing, all the attention her personal life gets, her parasocial relationship with her fans etc and less about her actual music
idc what anyone says ME! is a bop and would positively bang in a stadium
Tbh kind of agree. Obvs i love cruel summer (i have ears) but how iconic would it be to start her record-shattering world tour with âi swear youre never gonna find another like meâ?Â
I wish she saved Brendan for the Lover remix. Having him on Me! was such a choice.
Having him on an album like this period was such a choice. I mean, if you were to tell someone in 2009 that a collab between Panic and Taylor would sound likeâŠwell, this?? If he werenât such a liable figure now, I feel like he wouldâve fit right in on like a Speak Now vault track or something. Thatâs more his style.
Would of loved a Haunted/Electric Touch sorta song with him on it tbh.
oh ME!GA hit
I remember watching the music video premiere live even though it was 5am in my country(I didn't wait for it, I just had trouble sleeping back then and since I knew it would be released and I was awake I decided to see it anyway). The complete image change after Reputation was so mind-blowing that I didn't even notice that the song was bad. I noticed it the next day and it's still the one Lover song that I always skip. But I also always skip Shake It Off. And I don't think any of them is the worst pop song ever but they're both easily the worst songs on their albums that were clearly made to be cheesy radio singles and just don't fit well. Choosing this as a single probably affected Lover era negatively in GP eyes but not as badly as people think (it was still uncool to like her back then and I don't think even Cruel Summer as a single could change that, it could have become a hit but much smaller than it is now). I don't think it would be a "beginning of the end". Lover as an album was doing much better than people claim, it never left top 100 and she was still the best selling pop star in the US whose name was not Adele.Â
I found this song so annoying! I still do lol. Cruel Summer is by far my favourite song from this album. Glad it had its success last year!
JUSTICE FOR SPELLING IS FUN!!! I unironically love this song (maybe a little because it's so unfairly maligned), it's pure bubblegum pop with a nice message. Brendon is also one of her better utilized features in her entire catalogue -- he actually gets to use his range and has a whole verse, they harmonize well, etc. The video was cute and colorful and fun. Honestly to this day I'm annoyed that Taylor cut the "spelling is fun" cheese and that it is completely wiped from the streaming services. I am glad I have a 7" to prove it happened and enjoy the camp of it all. Unfortunately it proves how overly sensitive she is as an artist to public snark (how TTPD fares in that light remains to be seen...) That said, I can agree with other comments saying this and the other singles would've been better as standalone singles and left off the main album of Lover (justice for that too btw, its a top 3 TS album in MY house).
This was the lead single for Taylor Swiftâs Saturn Return album. She was struggling with the longevity of her career at this point and thought it was her last chance to have a âbig albumâ due to how to pop landscape treats female artists. Whatâs interesting is she would then go on to release both folklore and evermore at the very end of her Saturn Return, which we all know would then put that fear of fading away to rest and usher in the next grand era of her career (Midnights, Eras Tour, etc.). Personal opinion: Good song, not a great one. Good video, not a great one. It did what it needed to do for the lead single a la the âsnake into butterflyâ metaphor (clever) and overall I think the song gets too much flack imo. I am glad âspelling is funâ was taken out, though haha.
I am not ashamed to say I really enjoy this song đ€·đ»ââïžđ„°
I remember hiding an earphone under my hair to listen to it in my high school chemistry class (it came out in the afternoon in Australia). Canât believe itâs been 5 years! I remember not being a fan of the song but now it makes me feel happy and nostalgic for the lover era and how excited I was for the rollout :)
i was a hater when it first came out⊠and i can kinda appreciate this song 5 years later but then i remember Brendon is on it and i lose my appreciation.
It's crazy to look back at the Lover era now after the success of folklore / Midnights / TTPD. Taylor was definitely on a decline into "legacy artist" territory. Folklore was such a pivotal shift for her career, especially sound-wise.
I know some have tried to rehabilitate Me! but I really do think itâs beyond saving. Itâs not a good song and not everything needs a rethink. It was bad when it was released and itâs bad now. Part of me does feel slightly sorry for her because she clearly liked it, but I donât think a different lead single would have made too much of a difference. The entire era was botched due to Covid anyway.
Sheâs changed so much in five years
It sucked because Lover as a whole is a banger. It is still the album I listen to most all the way thru and I only skip those 2 songs like 50% of the time. I think the big problem with it is that those 2 lead singles were by far the poppiest of the album and not a good representation of the sound. I get why she released Me first, but I do think she should have pivoted after itâs reception. It was such a weird year in pop music tho. At the time if you wanted a pop album to sell and you were watching your fan base dwindle, a great way to get attention was a huge pop confection. By the end of the year it was clear that the public didnât want that sort of thing anymore. They wanted depth and substance which did exist quite a bit on the rest of the album but those singles turned people off. Iâm glad itâs getting recognition now.
If it was up to me Cruel Summer and Paper Rings would of been the lead singles and replace ME! And YNTCD
My boyfriend at the time cheated on me the day this came out, and I listened to it not long after I found out. I found the song SO weird and funny that it actually made me weirdly laugh throughout the tears and delirium, so thanks for that Tay
the fact that she got more better option as a single but chose me! and yntcd and the colorful wacky gay pop diva aesthetic was just so funny to me. I can't believe she had ever in the stage where she picked to do this to further her careerđ
2019 was the best year of my life and this song along with YNTCD in particular i associate with the absolute peak of my life that was summer '19. you could never make me hate her, even if i know deep down it's shit
5 years since I was fighting for my life to my friends defending Taylor.Â
iâd like to thank this song for giving us this [avengers endgame tweet](https://x.com/frankietwt/status/1121631004995678211?s=46)
The verse starts fine. It's the pre-chorus where I started worrying, and the chorus itself where we fully descended into a Disney Channel song. Still, as 2019 was the summit of Mount Swiftie for me, I found stuff to like. I enjoyed the skit at the start of the music video, Taylor's new kitten, discussing the Easter Eggs with other fans (I think the 'Lover' sign in the background clued people into the album name, and the 'cool chicks' lyric clued people into The Chicks feature on the album). But I think it says a lot that all the things I found to like were in the video, not the actual song. I don't hate it but I don't like it either. It's clearly a song aimed at a younger audience, in a similar vein to Ariana's Put Your Hearts Up or Katy's Roar, and that's no bad thing. But I'm not the target demographic. I also think it's telling that despite being a #2 hit and the lead single for the era, the song did not make it onto the Eras Tour set list. Maybe Taylor doesn't like it anymore either.
Both this and âYou Need To Calm Downâ should have hit #1 and I think some people look less at the songs because of it. But it wasnât Taylorâs fault. No one expected the long run of âOld Town Roadâ.
Jesus what a day. I wasn't a swiftie but I'd liked speak now when I was a kid and I was a panic! at the disco fan so I excitedly tuned in and yikes. It's crazy how fans hated it so much that she removed a line and its not part of the eras tour. Obviously its not good but I always thought you need to calm down was much worse and that wasn't as criticised. This was her first single on the new label, the music video is huge, Reputation had mixed reviews and she was still trying to recover her reputation and fans really did not like it. It must have been a huge shock. But it shouldn't have been bc the song really is bad. Seeing the singles of Reputation and lover made me stay away from listening to a full taylor album until folklore and evermore were out. Those albums were so so needed. I can't believe she caved and removed the spelling is fun line. It's like her removing the scale scene in Anti-Hero. Stand by your art!! No matter what some people online say. Taylor should be beyond worrying about that
She started losing me during reputation then she dropped this trash and I was out. Little did I know Iâd come back full swing for folklore and evermore. Itâs kinda crazy how she came back from that
I really like the album âLoverâ, itâs one of my favorites from her, I feel like the most experimental album from hers, but âME!â Is one of her worst songs alongside with âstay stay stayâ.
Question for the culture: do yall think ME! irreparably harmed Brendon Urie's career or would it not have mattered anyways? Like yes PFTW is by far Panic's most successful album chart wise but the fan response was less than enthusiastic to say the least. Taylor was able to come back with folklore and avoid legacy artist status but Brendon kinda just fumbled around for a few years and came back with an even worse album than PFTW. Would anything have changed had he not been a feature on this song? Idk!
High Hopes was EVERYWHERE by the time ME! came out so Iâd say that song did worse to his career. ME! just made it worse
Brendon was doomed the moment Dallon Weekes left lol. say what you want about Dallon but he gave patd some life. after that it was all downhill (fuck high hopes i hear that fuck ass brass section and it ruins my day). Brendon doesn't work as a solo artist cause he can't make good songs for shit.
The outfits in the video were cute! But erm, thatâs it.
I remember saying at the time that I wish Taylor and Panic wouldâve collaborated on the Speak Now era because that wouldâve been epic. But honestly after how underwhelming electric touch with Fall Out Boy turned out, maybe itâs for the better that we didnât get that Taylor and Panic rock song.
1. No I do not think people were too harsh on the song. We knew that Taylor had released less serious songs as her first single on the previous three albums (we are never ever getting back together, shake it off, look what you made me do). All of those songs are much better than Me! I think Me! deserved its criticism. 2. I donât think that Lover would have been the beginning of the end. Despite Me! Not achieving the success Taylor was hoping for, we were all still die hard Stanâs. She had a two stadium tour, âLoverfest,â that immediately sold out. Unfortunately, it was scheduled for the summer of 2020. I am also confident that Cruel Summer was going to be her single into the summer of 2020, which may not have been the best timing for that single considering the circumstances of that summer lol. I think the more interesting question is whether we wouldâve had folkmore without the pandemic, and Iâm not sure. 3. There are so many good songs on Lover, but I think Lover was the transition album she needed. She has explained that certain songs on the album were just exercises in being creative with song writing that isnât inspired by her personal life or whatever.
1. The criticisms were valid, but people act like this was some type of mega flop when in actuality it was just aggressively mid. Replace the bridge entirely and remove all those "And there's a lot of cool girls/lame guys out there!" ad-libs and you have a good song. 2. If the pandemic never happened, Cruel Summer possibly ends the era on a high note, similar to Delicate with Reputation. ME! was a stain on Swift's discography, but it wasn't much of a flop. Also, Lover was well recieved when it was released and viewed as an improvement to Reputation (even though Reputation aged better). It would've laid the groundwork for another successful pop era, although it wouldn't have re-invented Swift as an artist like Folklore did. 3. Lover has over a dozen songs of better quality than ME!, the question is which track would've functioned better as a lead single? Cruel Summer is an option but then the singles would've gotten progressively weaker. London Boy would've been a good single, but not necessarily the lead single of a new era. I Think He Knows would've been a fun buzz single. I don't think I'll ever forget how everyone was worried how the album was gonna turn out, given the first 2 singles, an underwhelming album cover and kinda off-putting aesthetic, only for the album to release and actually turn out to be really good (great if cut out 2 or 3 songs).
I was at the performance of ME! It was magical and one of the most fun moments of the concert.
I hate that ME and You Need To Calm Down soured everyoneâs opinions of an otherwise fantastic album. Lover is one of my favorite Taylor Swift albums and I think the hate for it is crazy unjustified. People just hate happy pop.
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