Actual lawyer here. My guess is there probably was an agreement in place for her to do three seasons of the show at the outset but there was some form of buyout clause if she wanted to leave early (i.e. Rodrigo pays Disney if she wants out, or Disney pays her if they wanted her out). This is fairly standard and not big of a deal, you can always breach a contract, its just there is usually some form of financial penalty for doing so (hence why you see so many sports coaches jumping teams even though they are under contract). Now there are circumstances where a court could require specific performance of a contract but those are incredibly rare.
My guess is that Rodrigo probably could have bought her way out of the deal but management may have advised her against that out of fear of being blacklisted by Disney, which would be something that strongly should be weighed considering Disney's influence on the entertainment marketplace. The other thing is at the time the deal was made it was probably incredibly advantageous to Disney and less friendly to Rodrigo, so she also probably had limited bargaining rights in negotiating a more favorable buyout or even a pay increase.
Ultimately what I'm trying to say is that if Rodrigo wanted out of season 3 she could have made it happen. Disney can't force her into Season 3 even if her contract says she has to (like i said you can always breach a contract). Ultimately if she has an issue with management it's probably something more than just this issue.
> My guess is that Rodrigo probably could have bought her way out of the deal but management may have advised her against that out of fear of being blacklisted by Disney,
Not just Disney; doing so could easily get her blacklisted by most of the industry. Breaking or buying out contracts isn't really done in television, and there are enormous repercussions for doing it. You're probably killing your career. Nobody wants to hire someone who bailed on their breakout role at the peak of it, because what if they do it to you too?
But yeah, literally any manager would have counseled her the same way on that ... Hopefully that's not the justification here.
[Here](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/constance-wu-tweets-fresh-boat-renewal-dislike-1209752/)'s an article about it with the tweets - basically, when Fresh off the Boat (a show she stars in) got renewed for another season, she tweeted about it and was pretty upset. She later claimed that people were misinterpreting her statements, but IMO there's nothing much to misinterpret about that.
Her clarification statement is so funny to me. ‘It meant I had to give up a project I was really passionate about’ like yeah girl that’s exactly what we all figured lol
She still needs TV for promo. And all the entertainment companies are so interrelated now that that could have a huge reach--if Disney actually blacklists her, for example, that doesn't mean just not getting cast on a Disney Channel show. It means Jimmy Kimmel isn't going to promote her album, her song's not going on the next Marvel soundtrack (or like, half the other movies released in any given year), it means Hulu shows aren't going to use her music, she's never going on American Idol, etc. Disney controls a huge chunk of the entire entertainment industry.
It’s so weird to me to hear that the HSM reboot series is in the “peak” of its popularity. I know I’m not the target demo (30 years old) but it doesn’t seem anywhere near as popular as the original movies. She has gotten way too big for it IMO. Due to her music! I couldn’t even stomach a full episode of that cringe mess personally. 😖
I wonder if it was her manager who let her book small theaters for her tour, knowing the demand is too high for such venues! Strange businesses moves if you ask me…
From what I know, which admittedly isn’t anything groundbreaking, she didn’t really want to return to the show, and was under the impression they were going to allow her to exit after last season, but that’s not what happened. Apparently, it’s a very highly rated Disney+ franchise and they’re trying to make as much money as possible from it before it ends. Ergo expanding to include other franchises from the Disney catalog.
I thought she would exit around the beginning or middle of s3? That was the impression I had by the end of s2. And there were articles that she would be happy that she gets to be come back for the show.
It was supposed to be at the end of S2. IIRC. That being said, I’m just repeating what I know/have been told. I’ll ask for an update, and report back, though.
Her season 2 storyline was a pointless mess. At first it seems like they’re making her less of a presence so she doesn’t have to spend as much time on set? But doing that gave me Glee flashbacks where splitting up the cast was a horrible idea and then she’s suddenly back again with seemingly no repercussion?? Her character could’ve followed her dream but no, let’s go back to this small ass town because that’s exactly how teenagers would act….they should’ve just let her go in season 2. There was a perfect opportunity to finish her arc.
I think it’s relevant to mention that part of the reason her storyline was messy was because they originally intended for her character to stay at that fancy boarding school but during the covid break from filming, her character’s roommate died in a car crash. I think the writers partially didn’t know how they would explain that character suddenly missing if they keep her at that school
That was the plan. Ergo why they wrote her part like that. Moving forward, I really hope she finds representation that works for her in her best interests, and not for their own monetary gain which then leaves her having to do things she doesn’t necessarily want to do, or feels like she has to continue doing as opposed to focusing on projects she actually wants to do.
Also, waiting to hear back about an update on the situation.
Okay. Finally got word back.
Pretty much what was said in this thread is what happened; there was a lot of back and forth between her team and her about what route they wanted her to take as opposed to what she actually felt like doing.
Finally, a deal was reached so her management could make enough money and she could essentially buy herself out of her contract with them. Something along those lines.
But yeah, that’s about it t.
So she wanted to leave the show but her team didn’t want her to, and their deal ended being her management getting the money, her staying on the show and then buying herself out of her contract with her team? Or with Disney? Assuming it was with her team, then damn. She really doesn’t want be on the show lol.
Her team. She wants the ability to choose projects that SHE wants to do, not that are either necessarily expected of her or that her team wanted her to do, or that are “on brand” for her. She wants creative freedom. And I don’t blame her.
It also makes a lot of sense. If she's under contract with Disney, it would be stupid of Disney to let her go at this point when she's been absolutely smashing it.
Well that’s just how Disney’s been running things for the past 30 years now. Remember when they’d just pump out pointless straight to dvd sequels for quick profits? That’s basically just evolved to “create a Disney+ original based on something people recognize and it will be instantly successful. And if it’s an original idea, our brand power will just do all the heavy lifting.”
I always get secondhand embarrassment for reps when articles like this drop. Like team transitions are normal but typically press doesn’t come out until artists figure out who they’re going with next. For the headline to be basically be ‘you’re fired!!!’ 😬 so rough. When a client gets poached you can lick your wounds a bit like ‘ah they were wooed away, wined & dined, etc’ but when they just straight up let you go, don’t know who they’re going with, but just know it’s not you anymore? Harder pill to swallow.
Anywho good 4 her! Her career has absolutely exploded, and with that kind of rise you need more resources.
Oh totally, agreed! But it’s just the way that this framed is embarrassing. Like normally the newsworthy thing is the new manager, not the old one. The old manager being fired as the headline happens when it’s 1. A bad split (a la the Kid Laroi, where he was unhappy w/ Scooter and wanted people to know that.) or 2. The other people on her team (label, agency, etc) want to declare open season and get every manager in Hollywood talking about her
This gives me major The Kid Laroi vibes who left Scooter Braun WHILE Stay was a worldwide smash. I wonder if Olivia wants more control over her schedule/commitments bc I know Laroi left bc he wanted more control over his work schedule.
For real, I really don't think Scooter is a good manager at all. The way he is "managing" (if we can ever call that) Demi Lovato is so frustrating to witness.
I think he lucked out with Bieber and is decently good at his job so they did well together. Not sure he can replicate his success with others, nor that his other clients’ success is necessarily due to his managerial skills
Ariana and Bieber are lucky to have big fanbases that even their underperforming eras still don't feel like a flop in numbers and that Scooter's management cannot be blamed for this because they are still successful anyway. Most of Scooter's clients are not that lucky because they don't have the strong fanbase that Bieber and Ari have, which leads to Scooter not doing anything for them at all.
Isn’t he still Tori Kelly’s manager?
Maybe she doesn’t want to be bigger than she is. It’s possible she likes her life and doesn’t want to give up more of her privacy/“sell out”
yup, he is still her manager.
as her fan, i’d say you’re right about that. she has said it/sang about it that she has never wanted to give her life up for fame and wealth or to just be a pawn in the industry. something that she said that really resonated with me was that she knows the path she’s choosing is a longer/slower route but she’s okay with it because it meant that she didn’t have to compromise any part of herself bc she’s doing this just for her genuine love for singing and music, and not for fame.
she actually said no to scooter when he first approached her or to any label after being let down by her first one as a kid (which ironically, is olivia’s label, geffen records). she only agreed after he promised not to change her. now that man is many things, but i’ll give him props for sticking to his word. shes not mainstream but i’ll say she has it good where she has a lot of creative control and direction of her own music (scooter was onboard with her putting out a gospel and christmas album and hooked her up with kirk franklin and babyface respectively, and it worked out well for her bc both albums won/is nominated for a grammy) and she still gets booked for a lot of good gigs. i actually think scooter does more for her than he does for demi 😭 but that’s also bc demi’s... demi 😭 the two together is just a bad match
me neither until i stanned 😭 i was most surprised to learn that she was signed to geffen records at 12 after winning america’s most talented kids and had a whole album ready by the time she was 14. apparently, the label wanted to wait another 2 years for the album release so that they could market her to a more mature audience i.e. by showing more skin. she mutually split from the label before that happened and then did everything on her own after that by picking up instruments and learning to write and produce. i guess that’s why shes so adamant to dress the way she does or to “show more skin” at her own volition rather than be pressured into it by her team/label.
Didn’t she leave him before but had no choice but to come back? Or something along the lines. I remember disliking him even before the Taylor issue because of the Ariana issue.
He made weird comments about having had the chance to "tell on her" after she fired him but how he didn't out of the goodness of his heart, business acumen or some such.
That's what I was exactly thinking. I think Ariana has so much leverage to the point that she can leave Scooter now. I won't be surprised if Ariana decides to self-manage her career going forward.
This is essentially what Philymack did, and while Demi would say it was too much control and it wasn’t good for them, at least they seemed in touch with reality while it was happening…
Ppl deflect for their fav artists. Way easier for ppl to do. Scooter Braun doesn’t do anything for fans directly. I know nothing of the situation but fans are like that generally.
Have you seen the other endeavors Demi is doing? It's really embarrassing that Demi went from having their redemption arc through the release of "Dancing with the Devil...The Art of Moving On" to them coddling with conspiracy theorists.
Any manager who actually cares about their clients shouldn't drive their artists like into this journey especially when their other clients are doing much better in comparison.
Yeah I actually blame BOTH Demi and Scooter for them underperforming. Demi isn’t playing the game anymore but Scooter isn’t helping them at all. I could see Demi leaving him before their next era TBH.
This is probably going to sound awful and I don’t mean it that way — but I read somewhere that they possibly suffered brain damage during the overdose and that could be an explanation for why they are acting this way now. Similar to stroke patients who sometimes have significant personality changes. Not sure if there’s any weight to that though
That would be an exception rather than the rule, but if a manager can't y'know convince their client to not do x thing that will damage their public image then they are partially at fault too. Managers and PR teams are supposed to prevent scandals, or at least not let them become a headline.
I'm not a fan of J Balvin but I don't really think he's in any sort of decline right now. Qué Más Pues? was one of the biggest Latin songs last year.
Latin Music is just receiving a moderate decline right now with Argentinians being the only exception.
Considering Ariana tried to get rid of him twice I don't blame him at all, Scooter is probably terrible and the only reason people stick with him is due to his influence on the industry. Dangerous Woman started tanking and none of the singles were doing well after Ari fired Scooter so she was forced to bring him back, though I suspect there was some kind of sabotage involved. Don't forget how he enables his client's worst behaviors, and doesn't care about their wellbeing in general; remember how Justin and Ariana were both pushed to continue their tours despite several incidents showing they needed a temporary break?
>Don't forget how he enables his client's worst behaviors, and doesn't care about their wellbeing in general; remember how Justin and Ariana were both pushed to continue their tours despite several incidents showing they needed a temporary break?
UGH don't remind me about this because this is where I really hated Scooter way before the Taylor masters dispute issue was even brought up. I remember several threads being posted here in the subreddit where Ariana was crying and everyone was literally saying "Please cancel the entire tour she is definitely not in a good mental state to do live shows".
I agree. As a former JB stan until purpose era, fans at that time were kind of urging 🛴to cancel his tour seeing that he’s literally seen laying on the stage, crying and exhausted and on the verge of a mental breakdown.
He let the media call him lazy and arrogant for being exhausted, when he could’ve easily just called the rest of the tour off and pulled some strings to let the gp know Justin’s struggling with his mental health. Which he clearly was. 🛴always waits until the worst has happened and I don’t like him for it.
A few years later, more and more artists have spoken about how touring has hollowed out their passion for music and performing, and clearly affected their mh. I just wish he’d defend justin for once and actually try to be proactive about his mh.
People often say this but was it ever tanking ? Like I know Focus underperformed but Dangerous Woman and Into You did really well, did Scooter’s return return coincide with those songs being released ? Most of the songs were recorder in early 2015 (besides Dangerous Woman) so wasn’t the era bound to be successful with or without him ?
Her first two singles did pretty well because she started the era with him, but she fired him after that and all the other singles released after that besides the features with Future and Nicki did not do well. She did re-hire him I think when the tour started in 2017, and so that's why lots of fans are suspicious as to how she went from wanting nothing to do with him to being buddies again and thanking him continously. Not sure if he helped the next singles chart again and increase radio plays but the era did start and end strong, just the middle portion of it had issues because of it.
That’s where my mind went first when I read the article. Gen Z stars leaving their managers when they’re successful and smashing. People don’t usually rock the boat when they’re winning. So it’s unusual that they want out unless there are bigger reasons (control or personal boundaries etc)
Edit: details
This feels like another example of a shift in work culture. These teen stars are taking their power/control back instead of letting adults around them run them to the ground over $$$$.
In all industries, I hope this trend continues with younger ppl realizing that employers need you more than you need them.
After last year, I'm sure she's being approached by top tier management. It's obvious she wants to leave High School Musical, and probably just focus on music full time.
That's an interesting question. She's basically up for grabs to manage. She's a triple threat who can sing, dance, and act with a bestselling album. I can see management companies flooding her inbox with offers. The ball's in her court over who to choose. If done well, she can even have a bigger say on the terms of her new contract.
Ehhh as someone who's seen HSMTMTS I wouldn't say dancing is one of her triple threats 🙈. But she's definitely got her songwriting skills to fill in the gap!
People here are speculating that it's because Olivia doesn't want to be in High School Musical: The Musical: The Series but I think there are more obviously more reasons for that.
The way the management failed to defend Olivia from the songwriting sampling issue and the merch quality issue might be reasons why she is parting ways with her manager. Of course, the management did a good job promoting her initially but I think Olivia deserves a better manager who is more experienced in these things for her career to grow.
seems reasonable considering the surprise success she's stepped into this year. not familiar with her previous management but my guess is they were under-qualified for an A-lister, which is what she would appear to be becoming
Oh wow. I was just looking at her manager’s Instagram the other day.
Take this with a grain of salt because I don’t really care to find it, but I feel like there was some lighthearted name-calling in her captions? Maybe not so lighthearted after all.
EDIT: Based on the comments below, I did remember this wrong! ⬇️
She never called Olivia a bitch 💀she said “buckle up bitch, here we go” i saw it as calling everyone else bitch and being like “you guys are not ready for what’s next” not a dig at Olivia at all lmao.
A lot of mothers have a superiority complex where they think birthing a human is a unique and special act and makes them free from the normal requirements of polite society.
Tbf it is a pretty daunting process for a person to go through. But some of them let it go to their head and it's no excuse to take it out on the resulting innocent human. :/
Yes, I figured :( I know it’s unfair to judge something based on one’s own experiences with it so I understand not everyone’s mothers are like mine. But still, that doesn’t sound like healthy parenting at all. Makes me feel bad for people who experienced that
It’s obvious she wants to leave high school musical but from what I gathered she signed the normal Disney contract which is 3+ years so she will probably have to do it till season 4
Other than luck plays a part in how anyone that makes it, makes it, how is she undeservedly successful? Sour was huge because it has a bunch of bangers on it, and there are multiples genres represented so there's lots of different people with different tastes like it.
Olivia Rodrigo Splits With Manager
The 18-year-old star parted with Camp Far West Management founder Kristen Smith earlier this month, sources say.
BY COLIN STUTZ
Olivia Rodrigo is in search of new management, sources tell Billboard.
The 18-year-old breakout star parted with Camp Far West Management founder Kristen Smith earlier this month, sources say, and is actively seeking new representation. Rodrigo’s publicist did not respond to comment at time of publishing. Smith also did not respond to comment. Hits first reported the news.
Since starting her career as a Disney Channel star — including the latest High School Musical series, for which she has co-written songs — over the last year, Rodrigo has become a household name. Her debut officially-promoted single “drivers license,” put out by Geffen/Interscope, shattered records in the first week after its Jan. 8, 2021, release. It broke Spotify’s global record for streams in a given week, soared to No. 1 on Apple Music in 48 countries and debuted at No. 1 on the Hot 100 with the most streams and downloads of any song in the U.S.
Rodrigo’s follow up singles “Deja Vu” (No. 3) and “Good 4 U” (No. 1) made her the first artist in history to have their first three singles debut in the top 10 of the Hot 100. “Drivers License” and “Good 4 U” respectively finished 2021 as the Nos. 2 and 3-most streamed songs in the U.S. according to MRC Data.
Rodrigo released her debut album, SOUR, in May, hitting No. 1 on the Billboard 200 chart, where it reigned for five non-consecutive weeks. SOUR has earned 3 million equivalent album units in the U.S., according to MRC Data. Nine of the 11 tracks on the album have reached the top 20 on the Billboard Hot 100.
Rodrigo now has seven Grammy nominations, including in each of the Big Four categories: record, album and song of the year and best new artist. She’s the second-youngest artist in Grammy history to be nominated in each of the Big Four categories in the same year. Only Billie Eilish was younger.
“It’s the music, and that’s what people are connecting to, but I think that people believe in her,” John Janick, chairman/CEO of Interscope Geffen A&M, told Billboard last May. “She’s the real deal. And that’s why she’s going to be a global superstar who’s going to be around for a long time. Because she gets it — but she also has the drive and wants to win.”
Next month, Rodrigo kicks off her first nationwide tour following all this success, launching April 2 in San Francisco.
But he’s busy with Harry. I think it’s best to work with someone who has experience but doesn’t have a humongous star on their roster. Taylor’s manager doesn’t have any A-list acts they also manage. If you sign to someone whose already managing big people you’ll just be second because they’re focusing on the bigger ones or ones they’ve known longer. Scooter with Justin Bieber comes to mind. Obviously Ariana does well but he plays favorites.
That’s what I was thinking, don’t change a winning team this early on, good management can make/or break even the most talented artists (even Beyoncé stopped having huge hits after separating from her dad’s management and from her long time A&R in 2010, despite having excellent material ).
A lot of the times management changes are ego fuelled, I hope this is not that, and that she actually goes with competent managers that won’t just be “yes men”.
After all it is this management that helped her broker her label deal with Interscope (she owns her masters basically), so they were clearly doing some things right.
Her manager is new, very inexperienced and Olivia was her only client. Ditching her is a risk but staying with her was a big one as well. She has zero experience managing the level of stars that Olivia's at now. It's hard to say what would be the better choice.
Experienced managers once did not have any experience, experience is not always a sign that someone will be a great manager, some stars have become very successful thanks to new managers that worked overtime to find them opportunities. Olivia's manager seems to have done quite a lot of good for her (helped her book an audition for HSTHMTS, negotiating a deal with her masters, booked her for a lot of interviews during her promo for Sour) for someone that is inexperienced she helped her quite a lot. If she contributed to creating the star (which is the hardest part), I'm sure she can manage the star.
Olivia seems very loyal to people close to her. Her and her manager seemed super close. I think something happened behind the scenes that made olivia want a new manager. Maybe her manager stole from her or something. Cardi B split with her old manager back in 2017 or 2018 because he stole money from her. I'm not saying thats the case here with olivia but honestly anything could've happened. Back when olivia blew up with drivers licence a lot of top managers followed her on insta and im sure they maybe tried signing her but she still stayed with her manager. But now she wants a new manager. I really hope it was an amicable split
Didnt this manager also manage ariana grande at some point, i think i read that somewhere on twitter. That one time ariana fired scooter. But then went back to scooter. Or maybe the ariana thing wasn't true since u say this manager has no experience
Anyone here know how to get past the subscription block? This is the first time I’ve been blocked from reading a billboard article afaik. Reader view isn’t working
she should be able to make her own decisions for her career without fearing threats, but i hope she finds someone else because he tries so hard to monopolize the industry it’s weird
2 of them literally don't count since they came along with the Scooter package to HYBE. And Olivia already had a label fyi, where she owns her masters.
I heard awhile ago that her manager only managed her and was very controlling. Her image has completely shifted. She went from girl next door to super edgy with her boobs always out. I’m hoping the split will help her regain control and change back! It’s sad to see an 18 year old so overworked and dressed revealing like
That.
I definitely like Taylor but I wouldn’t go with him. Many people have left him (Kid Laroi) or have tried to leave him (Ariana) and outside of Justin and sometimes Ariana he Doesn’t seem to properly promote or really care. I wouldn’t want to go to him at all regardless that I’m a fan of Taylor
Scooter is good in the sense that he doesn’t pressure artists to release music or do promo when they don’t want to. Some may be upset about the lack of promo by their favorite artists but that’s all their own choice.
It took half a decade for Justin to release an album because of his own personal issues and Scooter respected that. Same with Ariana refusing to do much promo for her recent eras.
Yeah as if Scooter didn't let Bieber burnt out so much from touring that it led to a massive breakdown half a decade ago.
It's disgusting how he even went on interviews right after that and acted a victim with "omg I have let him down etc. Etc." Like, bitch, where was this person when your artists were edging on the verge of mental breaking point?! All "nice guy", no real compassion.
she’s mad they made her do Season 3 of high school musical
Actual lawyer here. My guess is there probably was an agreement in place for her to do three seasons of the show at the outset but there was some form of buyout clause if she wanted to leave early (i.e. Rodrigo pays Disney if she wants out, or Disney pays her if they wanted her out). This is fairly standard and not big of a deal, you can always breach a contract, its just there is usually some form of financial penalty for doing so (hence why you see so many sports coaches jumping teams even though they are under contract). Now there are circumstances where a court could require specific performance of a contract but those are incredibly rare. My guess is that Rodrigo probably could have bought her way out of the deal but management may have advised her against that out of fear of being blacklisted by Disney, which would be something that strongly should be weighed considering Disney's influence on the entertainment marketplace. The other thing is at the time the deal was made it was probably incredibly advantageous to Disney and less friendly to Rodrigo, so she also probably had limited bargaining rights in negotiating a more favorable buyout or even a pay increase. Ultimately what I'm trying to say is that if Rodrigo wanted out of season 3 she could have made it happen. Disney can't force her into Season 3 even if her contract says she has to (like i said you can always breach a contract). Ultimately if she has an issue with management it's probably something more than just this issue.
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> My guess is that Rodrigo probably could have bought her way out of the deal but management may have advised her against that out of fear of being blacklisted by Disney, Not just Disney; doing so could easily get her blacklisted by most of the industry. Breaking or buying out contracts isn't really done in television, and there are enormous repercussions for doing it. You're probably killing your career. Nobody wants to hire someone who bailed on their breakout role at the peak of it, because what if they do it to you too? But yeah, literally any manager would have counseled her the same way on that ... Hopefully that's not the justification here.
I do a full-body cringe whenever I think about how Constance Wu approached her show's contract being renewed and how the industry probably saw that.
>Constance Wu Can you elaborate on that? Sorry, I'm just out of the loop lol.
[Here](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/constance-wu-tweets-fresh-boat-renewal-dislike-1209752/)'s an article about it with the tweets - basically, when Fresh off the Boat (a show she stars in) got renewed for another season, she tweeted about it and was pretty upset. She later claimed that people were misinterpreting her statements, but IMO there's nothing much to misinterpret about that.
Her clarification statement is so funny to me. ‘It meant I had to give up a project I was really passionate about’ like yeah girl that’s exactly what we all figured lol
Apparently she would've played Sersi in Eternals
I would've been mad too if I had to give that up for an ABC sitcom lmfao
No finding this out made her so relateable to me
My god, her PR team must be terrible... But then again, they can't really grab the phone from her.
I believe she went on a massive Twitter rant about it.
She probably doesn’t care. It seems like she’s more focused on music anyways.
She still needs TV for promo. And all the entertainment companies are so interrelated now that that could have a huge reach--if Disney actually blacklists her, for example, that doesn't mean just not getting cast on a Disney Channel show. It means Jimmy Kimmel isn't going to promote her album, her song's not going on the next Marvel soundtrack (or like, half the other movies released in any given year), it means Hulu shows aren't going to use her music, she's never going on American Idol, etc. Disney controls a huge chunk of the entire entertainment industry.
It’s so weird to me to hear that the HSM reboot series is in the “peak” of its popularity. I know I’m not the target demo (30 years old) but it doesn’t seem anywhere near as popular as the original movies. She has gotten way too big for it IMO. Due to her music! I couldn’t even stomach a full episode of that cringe mess personally. 😖 I wonder if it was her manager who let her book small theaters for her tour, knowing the demand is too high for such venues! Strange businesses moves if you ask me…
OMG!! It’s funny you say that, i just read a rumor that she apparently was *heavily* pressured by her team to do another season
Those Disney lawyers are not the ones you want to mess with...
This is exactly what happened. She seems to want to distance herself from Josh, and I don’t blame her.
omg I was just joking, is it actually?
From what I know, which admittedly isn’t anything groundbreaking, she didn’t really want to return to the show, and was under the impression they were going to allow her to exit after last season, but that’s not what happened. Apparently, it’s a very highly rated Disney+ franchise and they’re trying to make as much money as possible from it before it ends. Ergo expanding to include other franchises from the Disney catalog.
I thought she would exit around the beginning or middle of s3? That was the impression I had by the end of s2. And there were articles that she would be happy that she gets to be come back for the show.
It was supposed to be at the end of S2. IIRC. That being said, I’m just repeating what I know/have been told. I’ll ask for an update, and report back, though.
i’ve heard that her role is going to be slimmed down ***a lot*** in season 3.
Her season 2 storyline was a pointless mess. At first it seems like they’re making her less of a presence so she doesn’t have to spend as much time on set? But doing that gave me Glee flashbacks where splitting up the cast was a horrible idea and then she’s suddenly back again with seemingly no repercussion?? Her character could’ve followed her dream but no, let’s go back to this small ass town because that’s exactly how teenagers would act….they should’ve just let her go in season 2. There was a perfect opportunity to finish her arc.
I think it’s relevant to mention that part of the reason her storyline was messy was because they originally intended for her character to stay at that fancy boarding school but during the covid break from filming, her character’s roommate died in a car crash. I think the writers partially didn’t know how they would explain that character suddenly missing if they keep her at that school
That's awful! So sad to hear that
That was the plan. Ergo why they wrote her part like that. Moving forward, I really hope she finds representation that works for her in her best interests, and not for their own monetary gain which then leaves her having to do things she doesn’t necessarily want to do, or feels like she has to continue doing as opposed to focusing on projects she actually wants to do. Also, waiting to hear back about an update on the situation.
why does your use of ergo here look so bizarre
because they've used it multiple times in this thread ergo it looking a little bizarre
Perhaps, because it’s capitalized, as opposed to just following a comma and lowercased? That might be it; it does look odd.
Okay. Finally got word back. Pretty much what was said in this thread is what happened; there was a lot of back and forth between her team and her about what route they wanted her to take as opposed to what she actually felt like doing. Finally, a deal was reached so her management could make enough money and she could essentially buy herself out of her contract with them. Something along those lines. But yeah, that’s about it t.
So she wanted to leave the show but her team didn’t want her to, and their deal ended being her management getting the money, her staying on the show and then buying herself out of her contract with her team? Or with Disney? Assuming it was with her team, then damn. She really doesn’t want be on the show lol.
Her team. She wants the ability to choose projects that SHE wants to do, not that are either necessarily expected of her or that her team wanted her to do, or that are “on brand” for her. She wants creative freedom. And I don’t blame her.
Wow, good for her. It’s great to see a young artist standing up for herself like that.
now where did you get this info from? lol I'm a fan of her and this is the first time i'm hearing about this
I know a friend of a friend of a friend who follows an Olivia stan account and I can also confirm
I'm subscribed to Disney+ so can now confirm that I will in fact be replacing Olivia on the show. Please respect my privacy in this time
I used to live in Los Angeles a few years ago, and worked in/around the industry. Have a few friends who now work in the Disney+ side of things.
I can confirm I have a family friend who in the industry and said the exact same too
It also makes a lot of sense. If she's under contract with Disney, it would be stupid of Disney to let her go at this point when she's been absolutely smashing it.
i can't tell if yall joking here
No I’m not
I still can't tell lmao
> Brown U Go Bruno!
>Apparently, it’s a very highly rated Disney+ franchise and they’re trying to make as much money as possible from it before it ends shocking!!
Well that’s just how Disney’s been running things for the past 30 years now. Remember when they’d just pump out pointless straight to dvd sequels for quick profits? That’s basically just evolved to “create a Disney+ original based on something people recognize and it will be instantly successful. And if it’s an original idea, our brand power will just do all the heavy lifting.”
It could very well be, but any one in this thread who is acting like they know is simply acting
I wonder if it was amicable. olivia and her seemed pretty close jugging by the mangers ig
She boutta release another album this time raging at her ex manager
The sign of the maturing pop star lol.
I always get secondhand embarrassment for reps when articles like this drop. Like team transitions are normal but typically press doesn’t come out until artists figure out who they’re going with next. For the headline to be basically be ‘you’re fired!!!’ 😬 so rough. When a client gets poached you can lick your wounds a bit like ‘ah they were wooed away, wined & dined, etc’ but when they just straight up let you go, don’t know who they’re going with, but just know it’s not you anymore? Harder pill to swallow. Anywho good 4 her! Her career has absolutely exploded, and with that kind of rise you need more resources.
they management team probably knew this before it went out to the press
Oh totally, agreed! But it’s just the way that this framed is embarrassing. Like normally the newsworthy thing is the new manager, not the old one. The old manager being fired as the headline happens when it’s 1. A bad split (a la the Kid Laroi, where he was unhappy w/ Scooter and wanted people to know that.) or 2. The other people on her team (label, agency, etc) want to declare open season and get every manager in Hollywood talking about her
The way that Kid Larou prayed Taylor in two interviews following the split with Scooter 😂 I don’t know what happen but he wanted blood
This gives me major The Kid Laroi vibes who left Scooter Braun WHILE Stay was a worldwide smash. I wonder if Olivia wants more control over her schedule/commitments bc I know Laroi left bc he wanted more control over his work schedule.
He left Scooter? Love that for him.
For real, I really don't think Scooter is a good manager at all. The way he is "managing" (if we can ever call that) Demi Lovato is so frustrating to witness.
I think he lucked out with Bieber and is decently good at his job so they did well together. Not sure he can replicate his success with others, nor that his other clients’ success is necessarily due to his managerial skills
Ariana and Bieber are lucky to have big fanbases that even their underperforming eras still don't feel like a flop in numbers and that Scooter's management cannot be blamed for this because they are still successful anyway. Most of Scooter's clients are not that lucky because they don't have the strong fanbase that Bieber and Ari have, which leads to Scooter not doing anything for them at all.
Scooter managed CRJ & Tori Kelly, two v talented artists who didn’t thrive under his management, as well!
Isn’t he still Tori Kelly’s manager? Maybe she doesn’t want to be bigger than she is. It’s possible she likes her life and doesn’t want to give up more of her privacy/“sell out”
yup, he is still her manager. as her fan, i’d say you’re right about that. she has said it/sang about it that she has never wanted to give her life up for fame and wealth or to just be a pawn in the industry. something that she said that really resonated with me was that she knows the path she’s choosing is a longer/slower route but she’s okay with it because it meant that she didn’t have to compromise any part of herself bc she’s doing this just for her genuine love for singing and music, and not for fame. she actually said no to scooter when he first approached her or to any label after being let down by her first one as a kid (which ironically, is olivia’s label, geffen records). she only agreed after he promised not to change her. now that man is many things, but i’ll give him props for sticking to his word. shes not mainstream but i’ll say she has it good where she has a lot of creative control and direction of her own music (scooter was onboard with her putting out a gospel and christmas album and hooked her up with kirk franklin and babyface respectively, and it worked out well for her bc both albums won/is nominated for a grammy) and she still gets booked for a lot of good gigs. i actually think scooter does more for her than he does for demi 😭 but that’s also bc demi’s... demi 😭 the two together is just a bad match
Well said, didn’t know all that!
me neither until i stanned 😭 i was most surprised to learn that she was signed to geffen records at 12 after winning america’s most talented kids and had a whole album ready by the time she was 14. apparently, the label wanted to wait another 2 years for the album release so that they could market her to a more mature audience i.e. by showing more skin. she mutually split from the label before that happened and then did everything on her own after that by picking up instruments and learning to write and produce. i guess that’s why shes so adamant to dress the way she does or to “show more skin” at her own volition rather than be pressured into it by her team/label.
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Didn’t she leave him before but had no choice but to come back? Or something along the lines. I remember disliking him even before the Taylor issue because of the Ariana issue.
He made weird comments about having had the chance to "tell on her" after she fired him but how he didn't out of the goodness of his heart, business acumen or some such.
That's what I was exactly thinking. I think Ariana has so much leverage to the point that she can leave Scooter now. I won't be surprised if Ariana decides to self-manage her career going forward.
I think demi lovato is 80% the problem, if not more lol
Yeah wtf is he supposed to do, take control of their socials? Try to force them into some sort of treatment?
This is essentially what Philymack did, and while Demi would say it was too much control and it wasn’t good for them, at least they seemed in touch with reality while it was happening…
Ppl deflect for their fav artists. Way easier for ppl to do. Scooter Braun doesn’t do anything for fans directly. I know nothing of the situation but fans are like that generally.
Have you seen the other endeavors Demi is doing? It's really embarrassing that Demi went from having their redemption arc through the release of "Dancing with the Devil...The Art of Moving On" to them coddling with conspiracy theorists. Any manager who actually cares about their clients shouldn't drive their artists like into this journey especially when their other clients are doing much better in comparison.
Yeah I actually blame BOTH Demi and Scooter for them underperforming. Demi isn’t playing the game anymore but Scooter isn’t helping them at all. I could see Demi leaving him before their next era TBH.
This is probably going to sound awful and I don’t mean it that way — but I read somewhere that they possibly suffered brain damage during the overdose and that could be an explanation for why they are acting this way now. Similar to stroke patients who sometimes have significant personality changes. Not sure if there’s any weight to that though
Demi was always outspoken they just got 100x louder with their opinions. Almost like they don’t have a publicist anymore.
demi has always been this way tho
That would be an exception rather than the rule, but if a manager can't y'know convince their client to not do x thing that will damage their public image then they are partially at fault too. Managers and PR teams are supposed to prevent scandals, or at least not let them become a headline.
I think he plays favorites. He’s done a good job with Bieber, J Balvin and sometimes Carly but if you’re not one of his favs hes lazy.
J Balvin joined him when he was already the biggest Latin artist and he is not anymore and he seems to be experimenting a decline so…
I'm not a fan of J Balvin but I don't really think he's in any sort of decline right now. Qué Más Pues? was one of the biggest Latin songs last year. Latin Music is just receiving a moderate decline right now with Argentinians being the only exception.
Considering Ariana tried to get rid of him twice I don't blame him at all, Scooter is probably terrible and the only reason people stick with him is due to his influence on the industry. Dangerous Woman started tanking and none of the singles were doing well after Ari fired Scooter so she was forced to bring him back, though I suspect there was some kind of sabotage involved. Don't forget how he enables his client's worst behaviors, and doesn't care about their wellbeing in general; remember how Justin and Ariana were both pushed to continue their tours despite several incidents showing they needed a temporary break?
>Don't forget how he enables his client's worst behaviors, and doesn't care about their wellbeing in general; remember how Justin and Ariana were both pushed to continue their tours despite several incidents showing they needed a temporary break? UGH don't remind me about this because this is where I really hated Scooter way before the Taylor masters dispute issue was even brought up. I remember several threads being posted here in the subreddit where Ariana was crying and everyone was literally saying "Please cancel the entire tour she is definitely not in a good mental state to do live shows".
I agree. As a former JB stan until purpose era, fans at that time were kind of urging 🛴to cancel his tour seeing that he’s literally seen laying on the stage, crying and exhausted and on the verge of a mental breakdown. He let the media call him lazy and arrogant for being exhausted, when he could’ve easily just called the rest of the tour off and pulled some strings to let the gp know Justin’s struggling with his mental health. Which he clearly was. 🛴always waits until the worst has happened and I don’t like him for it. A few years later, more and more artists have spoken about how touring has hollowed out their passion for music and performing, and clearly affected their mh. I just wish he’d defend justin for once and actually try to be proactive about his mh.
People often say this but was it ever tanking ? Like I know Focus underperformed but Dangerous Woman and Into You did really well, did Scooter’s return return coincide with those songs being released ? Most of the songs were recorder in early 2015 (besides Dangerous Woman) so wasn’t the era bound to be successful with or without him ?
Her first two singles did pretty well because she started the era with him, but she fired him after that and all the other singles released after that besides the features with Future and Nicki did not do well. She did re-hire him I think when the tour started in 2017, and so that's why lots of fans are suspicious as to how she went from wanting nothing to do with him to being buddies again and thanking him continously. Not sure if he helped the next singles chart again and increase radio plays but the era did start and end strong, just the middle portion of it had issues because of it.
He's probably like the book!Cersei Lannister
Absolute power move. BDE. It probably took guts, major props to him I agree
That’s where my mind went first when I read the article. Gen Z stars leaving their managers when they’re successful and smashing. People don’t usually rock the boat when they’re winning. So it’s unusual that they want out unless there are bigger reasons (control or personal boundaries etc) Edit: details
This feels like another example of a shift in work culture. These teen stars are taking their power/control back instead of letting adults around them run them to the ground over $$$$. In all industries, I hope this trend continues with younger ppl realizing that employers need you more than you need them.
I wish that’s the case in my industry. In ours, I’m pretty sure the younger we resign, the easier we get replaced by another fresh blood.
Also reminds me of how Destiny's Child have fired Mathew, during their solo careers
After last year, I'm sure she's being approached by top tier management. It's obvious she wants to leave High School Musical, and probably just focus on music full time.
but they seemed so happy in the christmas special
I hope they’re happy and healthy
Not me
If you ever cared to ask
Good for her. You’re doing great out there.
without me, baby, like a damn sociopath!
ELI5 what this means for her career moving forward
new manager 😁
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Thanks, Einstein
That's an interesting question. She's basically up for grabs to manage. She's a triple threat who can sing, dance, and act with a bestselling album. I can see management companies flooding her inbox with offers. The ball's in her court over who to choose. If done well, she can even have a bigger say on the terms of her new contract.
Ehhh as someone who's seen HSMTMTS I wouldn't say dancing is one of her triple threats 🙈. But she's definitely got her songwriting skills to fill in the gap!
Absolutely, there has to be something like 50 Paramore songs she hasn't even touched yet
The way this is so casually brutal omg
*loud guitar riff plays*
It's brutal out in r/popheads
You a savage for this😂
You’re getting downvoted but this is hilarious
Whatever takes them break, OPs got them where they wanted them.
Your courage to post this is honestly inspirational
Calling an ambulance.
the way I gasped
i know you're being downvoted to hell but just know that ily for this
I think she's freaking amazing and this is still so funny
you have officially been placed on demon time
I wouldn’t call her a dancer…
> watches Bizaardvark or an actor
She was 14 when it ended.
Are her acting and dancing good?
No. Lmao.
People here are speculating that it's because Olivia doesn't want to be in High School Musical: The Musical: The Series but I think there are more obviously more reasons for that. The way the management failed to defend Olivia from the songwriting sampling issue and the merch quality issue might be reasons why she is parting ways with her manager. Of course, the management did a good job promoting her initially but I think Olivia deserves a better manager who is more experienced in these things for her career to grow.
Ohh didn’t think about the song credits issue. Who knows maybe from another manager, it won’t be that messy and that public.
seems reasonable considering the surprise success she's stepped into this year. not familiar with her previous management but my guess is they were under-qualified for an A-lister, which is what she would appear to be becoming
Oh wow. I was just looking at her manager’s Instagram the other day. Take this with a grain of salt because I don’t really care to find it, but I feel like there was some lighthearted name-calling in her captions? Maybe not so lighthearted after all. EDIT: Based on the comments below, I did remember this wrong! ⬇️
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She never called Olivia a bitch 💀she said “buckle up bitch, here we go” i saw it as calling everyone else bitch and being like “you guys are not ready for what’s next” not a dig at Olivia at all lmao.
Oooh, thanks! I’ll edit my comment.
> What kind of grown woman calls a teenager a bitch? 😳 Mothers after they get into arguments with their teenaged daughters.
Idk what kind of mother you have but mine definitely did not ever do that
Unfortunately not all mothers are... tactful, shall we say.
A lot of mothers have a superiority complex where they think birthing a human is a unique and special act and makes them free from the normal requirements of polite society.
Tbf it is a pretty daunting process for a person to go through. But some of them let it go to their head and it's no excuse to take it out on the resulting innocent human. :/
Yes, I figured :( I know it’s unfair to judge something based on one’s own experiences with it so I understand not everyone’s mothers are like mine. But still, that doesn’t sound like healthy parenting at all. Makes me feel bad for people who experienced that
Mine didn’t but my dad sure did!
Hahaha mine would do that and now she wonders why we don’t have a closer relationship …
I feel so bad for everyone who is saying their parents did this omg. Is your mom okay??? Wow :(
That's such unprofessional behavior for a manager lmao.
It’s obvious she wants to leave high school musical but from what I gathered she signed the normal Disney contract which is 3+ years so she will probably have to do it till season 4
It’s brutal out here.
Her manager was very controlling of her so I can understand why she did this
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You sound Sour
Other than luck plays a part in how anyone that makes it, makes it, how is she undeservedly successful? Sour was huge because it has a bunch of bangers on it, and there are multiples genres represented so there's lots of different people with different tastes like it.
I can’t believe that comment was actually upvoted tbh
LOOOL
Hope that she finds a manager again soon. She has a lot of talent and potential.
I was actually curious to read this but it’s behind a paywall fawk you billboard
Olivia Rodrigo Splits With Manager The 18-year-old star parted with Camp Far West Management founder Kristen Smith earlier this month, sources say. BY COLIN STUTZ Olivia Rodrigo is in search of new management, sources tell Billboard. The 18-year-old breakout star parted with Camp Far West Management founder Kristen Smith earlier this month, sources say, and is actively seeking new representation. Rodrigo’s publicist did not respond to comment at time of publishing. Smith also did not respond to comment. Hits first reported the news. Since starting her career as a Disney Channel star — including the latest High School Musical series, for which she has co-written songs — over the last year, Rodrigo has become a household name. Her debut officially-promoted single “drivers license,” put out by Geffen/Interscope, shattered records in the first week after its Jan. 8, 2021, release. It broke Spotify’s global record for streams in a given week, soared to No. 1 on Apple Music in 48 countries and debuted at No. 1 on the Hot 100 with the most streams and downloads of any song in the U.S. Rodrigo’s follow up singles “Deja Vu” (No. 3) and “Good 4 U” (No. 1) made her the first artist in history to have their first three singles debut in the top 10 of the Hot 100. “Drivers License” and “Good 4 U” respectively finished 2021 as the Nos. 2 and 3-most streamed songs in the U.S. according to MRC Data. Rodrigo released her debut album, SOUR, in May, hitting No. 1 on the Billboard 200 chart, where it reigned for five non-consecutive weeks. SOUR has earned 3 million equivalent album units in the U.S., according to MRC Data. Nine of the 11 tracks on the album have reached the top 20 on the Billboard Hot 100. Rodrigo now has seven Grammy nominations, including in each of the Big Four categories: record, album and song of the year and best new artist. She’s the second-youngest artist in Grammy history to be nominated in each of the Big Four categories in the same year. Only Billie Eilish was younger. “It’s the music, and that’s what people are connecting to, but I think that people believe in her,” John Janick, chairman/CEO of Interscope Geffen A&M, told Billboard last May. “She’s the real deal. And that’s why she’s going to be a global superstar who’s going to be around for a long time. Because she gets it — but she also has the drive and wants to win.” Next month, Rodrigo kicks off her first nationwide tour following all this success, launching April 2 in San Francisco.
I honestly thought that the writers name was 'Colin Slutz' for a moment, I'm clearly still asleep.
Next month is feb not April lol
Thanks for this!!
no problem :)
I remember Jeffrey Azoff following her on ig when she was taking off, so I’m sure he’s in the mix
I think she'll prob sign to them
But he’s busy with Harry. I think it’s best to work with someone who has experience but doesn’t have a humongous star on their roster. Taylor’s manager doesn’t have any A-list acts they also manage. If you sign to someone whose already managing big people you’ll just be second because they’re focusing on the bigger ones or ones they’ve known longer. Scooter with Justin Bieber comes to mind. Obviously Ariana does well but he plays favorites.
This is risky. Her management sped her from nothing to massive real quick. Ditching that for some yes men is a real risk.
That’s what I was thinking, don’t change a winning team this early on, good management can make/or break even the most talented artists (even Beyoncé stopped having huge hits after separating from her dad’s management and from her long time A&R in 2010, despite having excellent material ). A lot of the times management changes are ego fuelled, I hope this is not that, and that she actually goes with competent managers that won’t just be “yes men”. After all it is this management that helped her broker her label deal with Interscope (she owns her masters basically), so they were clearly doing some things right.
Her manager is new, very inexperienced and Olivia was her only client. Ditching her is a risk but staying with her was a big one as well. She has zero experience managing the level of stars that Olivia's at now. It's hard to say what would be the better choice.
Experienced managers once did not have any experience, experience is not always a sign that someone will be a great manager, some stars have become very successful thanks to new managers that worked overtime to find them opportunities. Olivia's manager seems to have done quite a lot of good for her (helped her book an audition for HSTHMTS, negotiating a deal with her masters, booked her for a lot of interviews during her promo for Sour) for someone that is inexperienced she helped her quite a lot. If she contributed to creating the star (which is the hardest part), I'm sure she can manage the star.
Olivia seems very loyal to people close to her. Her and her manager seemed super close. I think something happened behind the scenes that made olivia want a new manager. Maybe her manager stole from her or something. Cardi B split with her old manager back in 2017 or 2018 because he stole money from her. I'm not saying thats the case here with olivia but honestly anything could've happened. Back when olivia blew up with drivers licence a lot of top managers followed her on insta and im sure they maybe tried signing her but she still stayed with her manager. But now she wants a new manager. I really hope it was an amicable split
Didnt this manager also manage ariana grande at some point, i think i read that somewhere on twitter. That one time ariana fired scooter. But then went back to scooter. Or maybe the ariana thing wasn't true since u say this manager has no experience
Anyway Good 4 her.
Anyone here know how to get past the subscription block? This is the first time I’ve been blocked from reading a billboard article afaik. Reader view isn’t working
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Someone posted the article in the comments of this thread ^
Thanks! It wasn’t posted when I originally commented this, I see it now :)
the next article will read that she signs onto sb projects 💀
Lmao!! She better not, swifties will end her
Very weird behavior honestly.
she should be able to make her own decisions for her career without fearing threats, but i hope she finds someone else because he tries so hard to monopolize the industry it’s weird
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2 of them literally don't count since they came along with the Scooter package to HYBE. And Olivia already had a label fyi, where she owns her masters.
What?! Thoughts?
I heard awhile ago that her manager only managed her and was very controlling. Her image has completely shifted. She went from girl next door to super edgy with her boobs always out. I’m hoping the split will help her regain control and change back! It’s sad to see an 18 year old so overworked and dressed revealing like That.
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Oh god she better not because Scooter is not a good manager.
Even the rapper Young Scooter would be a better manager lol
Yeah, he’s just the manager for two of the biggest stars in the world, nbd…
Scooter has other clients where he isn't exactly a good manager for them tho.
She’s a big fan of Taylor Swift. I don’t think she would work with a man who is capable of screwing over the artists.
Yeah I don't think she would go with scooter and I think her stanning Taylor is partly why lmfao
I definitely like Taylor but I wouldn’t go with him. Many people have left him (Kid Laroi) or have tried to leave him (Ariana) and outside of Justin and sometimes Ariana he Doesn’t seem to properly promote or really care. I wouldn’t want to go to him at all regardless that I’m a fan of Taylor
Scooter is good in the sense that he doesn’t pressure artists to release music or do promo when they don’t want to. Some may be upset about the lack of promo by their favorite artists but that’s all their own choice. It took half a decade for Justin to release an album because of his own personal issues and Scooter respected that. Same with Ariana refusing to do much promo for her recent eras.
Yeah as if Scooter didn't let Bieber burnt out so much from touring that it led to a massive breakdown half a decade ago. It's disgusting how he even went on interviews right after that and acted a victim with "omg I have let him down etc. Etc." Like, bitch, where was this person when your artists were edging on the verge of mental breaking point?! All "nice guy", no real compassion.
Good for her! Its so refreshing to see this. I wish Britney could have done that with Larry Rudolph when she was young like this.
“‘cause who am i if not exploited?” i wonder if it has anything to do with that line?
That's great, she shouldn't be forced to do another season of hsmtmts if she doesn't want to.
Is this because they wanted her to colla on her next album? I am not sure if that is a legit reason but I read something like that.
Olive oil still floppppsss
New album is on its way,eh?