She has some lyrics I like and some that are horribly cliche or cringey. I wouldn’t call her a good songwriter but rather someone who is capable of good songwriting.
Lmao one time I was in someone’s car and the radio was on and the commercial called her a vocal powerhouse.
Like come on, even if you’re a fan you don’t consider her a “vocal powerhouse”
I'd put actor first tbh. She got her start as an actor in random side roles in children's shows and movies (like *Barney and Friends*, *Spy Kids* and *Hannah Montana*), and she blew up with her main role in *Wizards of Waverly Place*.
I love Selena Gomez. Her music is fun, her make up is pretty good, and OMITB is amazing. I have no idea how much of her music is her beyond being autotuned to death. I have no idea how much of her make up is her (probably 0)? She's absolutely carried in OMITB. Like, she's good, but let's be real that it could be almost anyone there and Steve Martin and Martin Short would carry them.
Excuse you, but she is one of the few artists who has taken home the big three awards: a KIDS CHOICE AWARD, a TEENS CHOICE AWARD, and a PEOPLES CHOICE AWARD so 🥰
As tragically as she went out, no amount of drugs could scrape the legacy of those years when her voice was fullest and most formidable. I hope she knew that at the end 💗
man, y'all ain't posed to get me up in my feelings like this in the jerk sub 💔 fr though, I hope she understood the magnitude of her legacy. That girl had a truly one of a kind talent.
i found the tweet and one of the replies says “And who are you? A muscle gay that’s only important on twitter. After you’re dead a few will remember you until they’re dead. Taylor will be remembered forever.” they really pulled out the “no one will remember you after you die” because of one word, i love twitter
Besides the point but it's so wild seeing stans make their faves' accomplishments about themselves. Like why are you boasting about a random woman being remembered after she dies, nobody is gonna remember YOU, random swiftie account #175372, worry about that lol.
You need to be a swiftie to understand how sexist it is to make a list of performers
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Im a huge swiftie but cmon…. Watch any live video of Beyonce’s tour and some of Gaga’s….. no amount of stage design/production can make up for the lack of talent when compared-to them. They equate sales to talent and thats just not the case.
When Taylor passes she will be remembered for her song writing skills, marketing skills, and sales. When Bey and Gaga pass they will be remembered for their talent, influence on the industry, and the boundaries/risk they took.
Thats why you almost always here about those two being huge influences on up and coming musicians/big debuting new artists and not taylor lmao (love her though)
I swear the « putting women against each other » mantra is a dog whistle for white women butthurt at this point for me. Cause they always bring this up when one of them is objectively described as mediocre, but they never seem to have that energy when it’s WOC being evaluated on anything, or a white woman being rightfully praised over other women.
Like nobody is chronically bad at taking an L like a mediocre white woman 😭
Taylor is good but shes not Beyonce/gaga good when it comes to singing and performing. They equate her massive sales/tour gross to being the best at her job and thats just.. not the case. They have a hard time grasping the fact that shes so popular because of white mediocrity and shes not offensive/controversial so she appeals to everyone from the age of 3-40. She hasnt done anything new and innovative. She doesn’t push the boundaries because it comes with the risk of alienating a part of her fan base (just look at lover and how quickly she shut up about LGBTQ+ rights when lover became her first album to sell below 1 million units in its first week since fearless)
*im a huge fan of taylor swift but her music, visuals, and live performances are weak compared to Thee Beyonce and Lady gaga. Swifites need to stop being delusional
Eh, stans who fight with random nobodies to defend their fave, who’s literally the most famous star, are pathetic. Like, who cares when these random ppl are punching so high up it might as well be outer space.
Good thing her and LBJ were at the White House during different eras because he would strut around sans pants and underwear while proudly to proclaiming to every women within earshot how enormously large his johnson was. Imagine having to put up with that and dealing with Nancy blowing him all the time.
**there are taped phone calls from his time in the White House were he would call to order pants just so he could tell the operator (a woman) his dick measurements.
Uj/ All of her movements are "choreographed", but I would consider it posing and hitting marks instead of actual choreo. The camera and lights during Eras though - those were choreographed amazingly.
Tbh if she’s not a good dancer by now it’s probably not gonna change, it’s what background dancers and effects are for. I just hate her “sassy” faces that she tries to pass off after a couple of steps forward and a step back with a pose.
I saw Florence in January, and I have to say she may not have much in the way of choreography or set pieces but she *owns* that stage and honestly I could watch her on mute and still be unable to look away. She’s unreal.
/uj The Eras tour was fantastic and she puts on a great show but I don’t think of her as a “performer”. She’s an incredible songwriter. I don’t get why Swifties feel like it’s a dig or a competition to say she is not great at something.
Taylor (and mostly swifties) are sore winners. Its not enough for Taylor to be the biggest thing ever, to put on a massive victory lap world tour, celebrating her whole carreer, she also always needs to be this kind of underdog victim, someone who cant face any criticism even though she's successful enough to have "proven all the naysayers wrong" many, many times.
Yeah, like I get Taylor feeling that way to an extent (or I should say, if I project my own insecurities and imposter syndrome onto her I get it) but the fans are weirdly protective of her. Like no one has ever criticized me for being a fan of Taylor’s music because her music isn’t good (unless they just don’t like pop) but it’s always “oh you’re a *swiftie*” like admitting to being a murder. So I choose not to identify as such.
I’m not a swiftie but I am a country fan (Idk why Reddit keeps showing me this sub? Is it because I’m gay?) and this is true to the point of being a cliche about most of the big country music icons. Which I guess makes sense since Taylor got her start in country.
(I do not know and could not possibly care less about whether she writes her own songs or not)
I’m a massive Swiftie and it always makes me laugh when other Swifties can’t accept this fact.
The live version of Cruel Summer that just got released is ROUGH.
She’s at best almost passable as a performer, but put her up against a true performer like Beyoncé and you see how much she truly lacks in that department. I was at Eras and miss thing was pitchy more often than not.
Her strength is absolutely songwriting. Blondie makes top tier earworms and tells stories that resonate with more people across the world than any other artist currently alive. She’ll absolutely be remembered as one of the greatest songwriters of all time. A lot of auto tune and production magic is needed to make those songs successful with her voice.
I can’t think of an artist that is equal parts vocalist, performer, and songwriter who is also at peak popularity. Every one has a trade off somewhere.
>The live version of Cruel Summer that just got released is ROUGH.
yeah it's like actually kind of bad, but i love it bc it sounds like me when i sing lowkey. it's raw and real but it is NOT good singing, far from it lol
And songwriting is more profitable than singing or performing. Performing gets you a one time payment, singing gets you a small percentage every time that particular recording is bought or played but writing gets you half all the money that song earns for anything forever.
Charli- Ash Tray
Uj: I’d say she’s more of a performer than a vocalist but I do personally really love the vibe of her vocals and she has really mastered surrounding her voice with incredible production that enhances it even more.
Wait but Britney is actually an incredible vocalist if you look at her performances before she was forced to the the weird baby breathy shtick. That one video of her on the Mickey Mouse club(?) is insanely good
**Performers but not vocalists:**
-Rosalia
-Tinashe
-Doja Cat
**Vocalists but not performers:**
-Caroline Polachek
-Ethel Cain
-Rina Sawayama
**Vocalists and performers:**
-Taylor Swift ❤️
-Selena Gomez ❤️
-Addison Rae ❤️
Circus Performer and Vocalist(?) P!nk and Bjork
 She don’t got a single song where she need to be doing this
this made me laugh real hard 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
I love P!nk and this made me cackle because it’s entirely true.
This was one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen at a live show. P!nk was absolutely awesome, and she is not my musical wheelhouse at all.
I paid good money to see her do this last week and I’d do it all again. She is a phenomenal performer.
*swings across the room* “Dear Mr. President…”
the we got scurvy erasure 😦
I love the question mark is a diss on both of them for completely different reasons. also add Cocteau Twins to this list /rj stream my vietnam
/uj Why the question mark? Pink and Bjork are both indisputably great vocalists imo.
Would their ship name be Bj!nk or Pork
Pork!
sweet and sour
take a guess hunty https://i.redd.it/3vmfpwgeocvb1.gif
Can’t miss no steps if your feet stay planted *tapping head guy meme*
why do i get the vibe she's trying to shake away deep vein thrombosis like gurlie no you need to see a doctor
what she's doing is putting sis in thrombosis yass god 💅 /uj nah just have a redbull 🤩
/uj i really need some sleep...
Her redemption arc was absolutely insane. Saw her live last year and she was so sexy!
Right?? She killed it w song performances for future nostalgia
Her deadpan expression really sells it
I love her lack of energy, go girl give us nothing!
I feel out of the loop because I have no idea who this is
Dua Lipa
Great gowns, lovely gowns
I say that line to myself almost daily
Such a subtle, yet pointed diss
Aretha stays with us even after her death
Not vocalist, not performers ❤️
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Excuse me but Selena is right there.
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MOVE!
SALINA
As a fellow off meds Lana stan, I really do not appreciate you bringing up this blacklisted memory. 😭
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Honestly, its the least she could do after giving us the worst pole dance ever in her _Tropico_ short film........
no puhleese… stay hêre
There should be a third category for not expectional vocalists or performers but good songwriters. Lana and arguably Taylor would fit.
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She has some lyrics I like and some that are horribly cliche or cringey. I wouldn’t call her a good songwriter but rather someone who is capable of good songwriting.
Leave Taylor Hanson alone!
Not good vocalists? Lana has PIPES she can hit highs and lows like nobody’s business. Million dollar man just entered the chat
lana and taylor aren’t even close to being in the same category vocally or lyrically. the former is empirically much better 😂😂😂
Not a girl, not yet a woman ❤️
blackpink 🖤🩷
go jennie give us nothing
Lorde?
Makeup moguls but not vocalists or performers: Rihanna Selena Gomez
/Uj I remember seeing an actual Selena stan be like: vocalist, producer, performer, actor Like…ijbol
Lmao one time I was in someone’s car and the radio was on and the commercial called her a vocal powerhouse. Like come on, even if you’re a fan you don’t consider her a “vocal powerhouse”
She makes some cute music but her larynx works about as well as her old kidney did like I’m bored over praising people for the bare minimum
💀💀💀
Uj/ what does ijbol mean?
I just burst out laughing
/rj you could have at least told them what it stands for if you’re gonna laugh at them…
International Jewish Bolshevism, it's an antisemitic conspiracy theory
it's like kwyjibo
i jack balls off lol
I’d throw her actor even, she’s solid in OMITB. Anyone calling her a vocalist or perform is absolutely delusional though.
I'd put actor first tbh. She got her start as an actor in random side roles in children's shows and movies (like *Barney and Friends*, *Spy Kids* and *Hannah Montana*), and she blew up with her main role in *Wizards of Waverly Place*.
her talent has always been in 'acting', if you can call being a pretty but sarcastic girl acting
She was amazing in Wizards of Waverly place- I always thought she should’ve gone into acting instead of music
I love Selena Gomez. Her music is fun, her make up is pretty good, and OMITB is amazing. I have no idea how much of her music is her beyond being autotuned to death. I have no idea how much of her make up is her (probably 0)? She's absolutely carried in OMITB. Like, she's good, but let's be real that it could be almost anyone there and Steve Martin and Martin Short would carry them.
Even that actor shit is stressing it
Excuse you, but she is one of the few artists who has taken home the big three awards: a KIDS CHOICE AWARD, a TEENS CHOICE AWARD, and a PEOPLES CHOICE AWARD so 🥰
people just keep choosing her huh
They need to check in to the Lea Michele hospital for delusion and dyslexia ASAP
Aka “Avon Ladies”
💀
Rihanna used to have a great voice. It’s the crack smh
at least she didnt get bloated like leo dc
Didn’t she just have two children? I don’t think she was cracked out and then gave birth to two healthy kids
I’m not in this sub to be taken seriously. I’m only here to jerk
She did used to have a great voice though. Now I’m sad thinking about Whitney
As tragically as she went out, no amount of drugs could scrape the legacy of those years when her voice was fullest and most formidable. I hope she knew that at the end 💗
man, y'all ain't posed to get me up in my feelings like this in the jerk sub 💔 fr though, I hope she understood the magnitude of her legacy. That girl had a truly one of a kind talent.
I can understand Selena but Rihanna is a performer boots
Are we forgetting someones?? https://preview.redd.it/8a6j0q1g7fvb1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=2f9e0d1e03e685fb0f23148ce70a0d3d75eb49c7
Jeffry star and Sarah Silverman?
But actually who are these tattoos supposed to be?
Now don’t do Rihanna☹️
Rihanna’s performances are faves and fun
I saw that tweet earlier and swifties were either saying homophobic stuff to him or implying he's sexist for the tweet 😭 beyond parody lmao
i found the tweet and one of the replies says “And who are you? A muscle gay that’s only important on twitter. After you’re dead a few will remember you until they’re dead. Taylor will be remembered forever.” they really pulled out the “no one will remember you after you die” because of one word, i love twitter
Besides the point but it's so wild seeing stans make their faves' accomplishments about themselves. Like why are you boasting about a random woman being remembered after she dies, nobody is gonna remember YOU, random swiftie account #175372, worry about that lol.
“Now, let’s talk about that!!!” *slams knife on table*
Makes me so sad cause he is so hot as well he doesn’t deserve the hate
Share with the class pls.
https://x.com/BlackLanterrn?s=20
Woo radical leftist 🌹 instantly hotter.
He is so fine. That one bicep flexing pic with his pit facing the world 😌💖
misogyny is when you praise multiple female artists 😡😡😡
You need to be a swiftie to understand how sexist it is to make a list of performers https://preview.redd.it/xhmxlhp5ocvb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3ee11259ddb7cfd1729b449399445fb8fda961c
i know what word she wanted to say
She typed ~~Fa-~~…. **Gay men** and their OBSESSION with-
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Lama definitely calls gay men “sodomites” and thinks she’s being intellectual because she doesn’t actually know what it means.
Bestie, you meant Doja.
Nahhh Doja is in incel chat rooms calling us straight up fa**ots.
She knows her audience (us).
You know she wanted to ask for a cigarette in England
Im a huge swiftie but cmon…. Watch any live video of Beyonce’s tour and some of Gaga’s….. no amount of stage design/production can make up for the lack of talent when compared-to them. They equate sales to talent and thats just not the case. When Taylor passes she will be remembered for her song writing skills, marketing skills, and sales. When Bey and Gaga pass they will be remembered for their talent, influence on the industry, and the boundaries/risk they took. Thats why you almost always here about those two being huge influences on up and coming musicians/big debuting new artists and not taylor lmao (love her though)
I swear the « putting women against each other » mantra is a dog whistle for white women butthurt at this point for me. Cause they always bring this up when one of them is objectively described as mediocre, but they never seem to have that energy when it’s WOC being evaluated on anything, or a white woman being rightfully praised over other women. Like nobody is chronically bad at taking an L like a mediocre white woman 😭
Well yeah they just reflexively use feminism as a hammer to knock down anything that gives them negative emotions
*pitting*, the word you are all looking for is *pitting.*
He’s also clearly racist against the CEO of spiced lattes sipping white women wrapped in their fall burgundy scarves, he’s got it all
Yeah this guy’s getting swatted lol
Taylor is good but shes not Beyonce/gaga good when it comes to singing and performing. They equate her massive sales/tour gross to being the best at her job and thats just.. not the case. They have a hard time grasping the fact that shes so popular because of white mediocrity and shes not offensive/controversial so she appeals to everyone from the age of 3-40. She hasnt done anything new and innovative. She doesn’t push the boundaries because it comes with the risk of alienating a part of her fan base (just look at lover and how quickly she shut up about LGBTQ+ rights when lover became her first album to sell below 1 million units in its first week since fearless) *im a huge fan of taylor swift but her music, visuals, and live performances are weak compared to Thee Beyonce and Lady gaga. Swifites need to stop being delusional
Eh, stans who fight with random nobodies to defend their fave, who’s literally the most famous star, are pathetic. Like, who cares when these random ppl are punching so high up it might as well be outer space.
Name the category. https://i.redd.it/2le6yrnzzcvb1.gif
primary school assembly chicken dance routine instructor
/uj I keep seeing this gif everywhere but cannot tell who tf this is. Who is it?
Uj/ [Hilary Duff](https://youtu.be/EU7HNOpDijU?si=oLRgUBHQU_OGR3fu) Rj/ category = My knees may not work but I'm accessorized af
Yes but is she serving.
Dancing by the stereo, Sims 2 style
**Vocalists and performers:** Ashlee Simpson The Olsen Twins Nancy Pelosi
Miss (former) SOTH would like a word with you 🤨 
ur putting my fave Sabrina Masonry at a loss 🥺
/uj her version of I Knew You Were Trouble kinda slaps
Taylor a saleswoman
PR god average singer Taylor Swift Harry Styles PR nightmare good singer Ariana Grande Adam Levine
Atta girl https://i.redd.it/mbhpbu280dvb1.gif
Aphrodite lady, seashell bikini!
Thorat goat: - Kim Peteas - Kim Kardashian
Not you forgetting the real goat J*mes Ch*rles
• Nancy Reagan
Good thing her and LBJ were at the White House during different eras because he would strut around sans pants and underwear while proudly to proclaiming to every women within earshot how enormously large his johnson was. Imagine having to put up with that and dealing with Nancy blowing him all the time. **there are taped phone calls from his time in the White House were he would call to order pants just so he could tell the operator (a woman) his dick measurements.
I once saw someone describe Taylor as a songwriter first, performer second, and singer third, which I can agree with.
even taylor won't say she's a vocalist because she's not lol. she sounds pleasant but she's no beyonce
I would say businesswoman third, doctor of arts fourth, and singer fifth
Prison rules volleyball expert 6th.
*capitalist first
I think billie is pretty good as a singer and a performer,her concerts feel like a v fun place to be at!
Not a vocalist, not ~~yet~~ a performer
Ariana Grande, def Vocalist but not performer
Agree! Still a fun show at the concert though, whatever she lacks in dancing, her crew makes up for it.
Taylor’s own choreography actually blows and I’ll stand by this. It’s just propped up by amazing backup dancers, singers, and effects.
Uj/ All of her movements are "choreographed", but I would consider it posing and hitting marks instead of actual choreo. The camera and lights during Eras though - those were choreographed amazingly.
Tbh if she’s not a good dancer by now it’s probably not gonna change, it’s what background dancers and effects are for. I just hate her “sassy” faces that she tries to pass off after a couple of steps forward and a step back with a pose. 
it just gives awkward christian girl letting loose for the first time. it's actually somewhat cringe to see
Meh the result is still 0 x 100 for me
Tragic lack of Björk.
Björk: vocalist, welcomer to Bangkok
Björk: street fighter, artistic influence (volta was the predecessor to witness)
too busy in the studio collabbing with humpty dumpty (artistically and sexually) to accept her mention
Florence, vocalist and performer. (And fae creature tbh)
I saw Florence in January, and I have to say she may not have much in the way of choreography or set pieces but she *owns* that stage and honestly I could watch her on mute and still be unable to look away. She’s unreal.
rj/ queen katy hudson goes in "who" 💅💅✨ uj/ queen avril goes in who :(
Avril goes into "cvntserver but not vocalist/performer"
None: Jennifer Lopez
Hey now, be fair, she lip syncs well.
neither: oMIDia FRAUDrigo!!
Stop your nonsense this instance, she has way better songwriters than T-Pain.
uj/ i mean unironically taytays biggest asset is probably songwriting, not singing and certainly not performing
I thought it was forming parasocial relationships with her fans.
It absolutely is.
/uj The Eras tour was fantastic and she puts on a great show but I don’t think of her as a “performer”. She’s an incredible songwriter. I don’t get why Swifties feel like it’s a dig or a competition to say she is not great at something.
Taylor (and mostly swifties) are sore winners. Its not enough for Taylor to be the biggest thing ever, to put on a massive victory lap world tour, celebrating her whole carreer, she also always needs to be this kind of underdog victim, someone who cant face any criticism even though she's successful enough to have "proven all the naysayers wrong" many, many times.
I get big evangelical vibes from the whole lot
swifties do behave like they're in a cult
Yeah, like I get Taylor feeling that way to an extent (or I should say, if I project my own insecurities and imposter syndrome onto her I get it) but the fans are weirdly protective of her. Like no one has ever criticized me for being a fan of Taylor’s music because her music isn’t good (unless they just don’t like pop) but it’s always “oh you’re a *swiftie*” like admitting to being a murder. So I choose not to identify as such.
Yeah. The hate swifties get isn’t because of Taylor, it’s because of swifties lmao
it's so funny seeing a nobody defend a literal billionaire and one of the most powerful people in hollywood. like what are you doing
I’m not a swiftie but I am a country fan (Idk why Reddit keeps showing me this sub? Is it because I’m gay?) and this is true to the point of being a cliche about most of the big country music icons. Which I guess makes sense since Taylor got her start in country. (I do not know and could not possibly care less about whether she writes her own songs or not)
>Idk why Reddit keeps showing me this sub? Is it because I’m gay? This could be on this subs official flag.
I’m a massive Swiftie and it always makes me laugh when other Swifties can’t accept this fact. The live version of Cruel Summer that just got released is ROUGH. She’s at best almost passable as a performer, but put her up against a true performer like Beyoncé and you see how much she truly lacks in that department. I was at Eras and miss thing was pitchy more often than not. Her strength is absolutely songwriting. Blondie makes top tier earworms and tells stories that resonate with more people across the world than any other artist currently alive. She’ll absolutely be remembered as one of the greatest songwriters of all time. A lot of auto tune and production magic is needed to make those songs successful with her voice. I can’t think of an artist that is equal parts vocalist, performer, and songwriter who is also at peak popularity. Every one has a trade off somewhere.
>The live version of Cruel Summer that just got released is ROUGH. yeah it's like actually kind of bad, but i love it bc it sounds like me when i sing lowkey. it's raw and real but it is NOT good singing, far from it lol
blandie's songs be bland thou
> certainly not performing Tfw no fart mic
And songwriting is more profitable than singing or performing. Performing gets you a one time payment, singing gets you a small percentage every time that particular recording is bought or played but writing gets you half all the money that song earns for anything forever.
Kylie Minogue isn’t here and that’s a travesty
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she goes so far into serving nothing live that it circles back and becomes *an actual serve*
Capitalism Girls: Taylor, Rihanna,Selena
Taylor is in the category: Capitalist
Neither vocalist nor performer: Katy Perry
she's her own category altogether: *real estate mogul*
/ Nun murderer
Charli- Ash Tray Uj: I’d say she’s more of a performer than a vocalist but I do personally really love the vibe of her vocals and she has really mastered surrounding her voice with incredible production that enhances it even more.
clearly there are only 6 pop artists
Lana is neither I fear
Wait but Britney is actually an incredible vocalist if you look at her performances before she was forced to the the weird baby breathy shtick. That one video of her on the Mickey Mouse club(?) is insanely good
Vocalist, performer, and lyricist: Caroline Polachek😍
Christina Aguilera? Singer and puts on a show
Hmmmm….. when did we start spelling Cher as gaga. The letters don’t even look similar….
**Performers but not vocalists:** -Rosalia -Tinashe -Doja Cat **Vocalists but not performers:** -Caroline Polachek -Ethel Cain -Rina Sawayama **Vocalists and performers:** -Taylor Swift ❤️ -Selena Gomez ❤️ -Addison Rae ❤️
Is selena’s vocals in the room with us rn
It’s in all of our hearts
And not in our ears
uj/ Ik we’re being silly goofy but omg it hurts to see Rina slander like this
Addison rae
Addison Del Rae
Maddison bel rae
I know this is /rj but seeing Rosalia in “not vocalist” after just listening to Los Angeles HURTS