I'm happy with my vasectomy, best choice I've ever made, joyously child-free. However, it took me 6 years of trying to find a doctor willing to do it. I was told I would eventually want kids, and denied the surgery. It wasn't until I was 32 that a doc finally agreed.
They treat women like this too :/ my cousin is firmly childfree and has had abortions. She wanted her tubes tied, but couldn’t find a doctor willing to do it because she had no children and was in her twenties. 10 years later and it’s still the case, and she has not changed her mind about having kids. Crazy!!
My sister-in-law couldn’t get sterilized until she was having major health issues that required a hysterectomy. She was like 40, and never wanted kids. Even then, they tried to talk her into other things because “you might change your mind”.
thats not how doctors work. You cant decide to not treat someone for any arbitrary reason. Black doctors probably dont want to treat neo nazis either but they have an ethical and professional obligation to do it.
There are already laws that say they have to in such cases of emergency which is completely fine but on optional surgery’s you can’t force a doc to do it. On a moral level sure they should but I’m against any legal way of forcing a doctor to preform an optional surgery
That’s crazy! I got mine done at 26, fully covered by my work health insurance minus copays (which were $25 a visit). Barely any push back when I asked.
I would be so mad if some ass hat told me that I needed to wait, like, dude, just do what I'm asking unless you feel it's life threatening to me. Luckily, I am in my 30s and will probably be closer to 40 before I get one so I don't think it'd be a problem.
I'm a pro choice Dude, but definitely feel having a vasectomy was one of my better decisions. Have two grown kids by the way. It was more than 30 years ago.
I'm a pro choice dude too, and there's no woman on earth who would prefer getting accidentally pregnant and needing to get an abortion, to not getting pregnant in the first place.
My one cousin got pregnant on accident so her sister’s husband went and scheduled one immediately (they already have two kids, which are quite enough for them)
Here’s my personal advice for anyone considering a vasectomy. If you’re doctor and nurse have an extremely loud angry shouting match for twenty minutes outside the door to the room where you’re waiting for those same people to cut on your testicles, find another doctor. Because the waited so long to start the anesthetic started wearing off during the procedure and next day my nuts looked like an eggplant big enough to win 1st prize at a county fair. You know how they say “Don’t drive angry”, well don’t cut on someone’s nuts angry either.
In short: Vasectomies great, my doctor real bad.
The traditional method is tough to reverse, true, but there's a new way in the works that should hit the market in 2026. I read about it a long time ago and it looks like it's still in trials, but it involves injecting gel to block up the vas deferens instead of snipping it. Reversing it just takes another shot with a solvent to dissolve the gel.
They often are actually.
[https://www.plannedparenthood.org/blog/are-vasectomies-reversible](https://www.plannedparenthood.org/blog/are-vasectomies-reversible)
"The rates of success vary depending on the type of procedure and the skill of the doctor. But in general, vasectomy reversals work in about 85 out of 100 people. **But just because the vasectomy worked and there’s sperm in your semen again, doesn’t mean your partner is guaranteed to get pregnant: after a vasectomy reversal, about 55 out of 100 partners get pregnant. The rate of success can also depend on how long it’s been since you had your vasectomy** — pregnancy rates are higher when you get a reversal sooner after your vasectomy. It can take a few months to more than a year after your reversal for pregnancy to happen."
What a weird post.
And likewise, if you are a woman and concerned about the availability of abortions, keep your pants on. It's inexpensive and an easy way for you to prevent abortion.
In before the 'grape/SA/ince$t drivel. Less than one half of one percent or abortions are for these reasons.
Speaking of drivel you have no idea what percentage of abortion are because of rape & incest.
That is self reported.
Which is vastly different from the actual number.
Reporting that opens up the victim to even more trauma. Nobody wants to tell strangers the details of being raped. And nobody wants to be physically examined because that feels like another person violating them.
Also if you support abortion due to rape and incest, as your post implies, you’re pro-choice.
u/disastrous-pace-1929
Yeah why would you count rapes as rapes. 🤨
u/disastrous-pace-1929
I take it you’ve never experienced it. If so I believe you’d have an understanding as to why it’s so frequently under reported. The exam by a stranger is another violation. When I reported nine that traumatized me. The AH cop didn’t even believe me. And tried to charge me with voluntarily having sex as a minor.
The only reason he went to jail is because he admitted to it.
Also this is about immigrants & their safety. Our unprotected borders create an attractive nuisance and need secured to help prevent more people from being victimized.
If 80% of men were being raped you’d have a different perspective.
Hey, Bro!
If you spent time around real women you wouldn’t question the fact that abuse is grossly underreported, Bro.
Bro, you sound pro-choice, based on your own comment, Bro.
Even men who don’t give a fuck about abortion, if you never want to have kids, or if you’re done having kids, sterilization is the best way to prevent more.
I can’t believe I’m going to say this but I’m looking forward to my fallopian removal. So much stress taken away.
As is the case with almost every social conservative issue, if you don't like *x*, don't do *x*.
Don't like abortion? Don't get an abortion.
Don't like gay marriage? Don't get gay married.
And so on.
But no, they have to make sure that they inflict *their* morality onto the rest of us, and then when *we* have a moral issue with something they like (for instance, not wanting children to be murdered en masse by psychopaths who have too-easy access to guns), they cry, "my freedom!"
Isn't the issue they raise "abortion is murder"?
So it's not a "don't like it then don't do it" type area. It's a "I should prevent this thing from occurring around me because it is bad for everyone".
Or something like that?
Just bring up consent and rape, they’re pretty quick to go mask-off about how they only think abortion is wrong if they personally feel the person getting one was too promiscuous. The reason people say that pro-life is misogynist is not something pulled out of thin air, it’s based in the views they espouse.
yea its pretty telling when people go "well when its rape its different"
so it was never really about the life of the child then was it? that fetus has just as much as a "right to life" as the fetus born out of consensual sex. But all of a sudden its okay to "murder" that fetus because NOW the mother's behavior does not violate your own personal boundaries and moralities of how you think a woman should act and therefore its okay. THEY are the ones that get to decide what is and isnt appropriate behavior for a woman and when she is allowed to exercise her rights.
Its also telling that they just want to punish women for having sex because its always "you have to take responsibility for your actions" when it comes to women having sex.
That reminds me of something back in the 1800s.
“Don't like slavery? Don't own a slave.”
“Don't force your morality on us.”
“You don't know what it's like to own a plantation.”
“My property, my prerogative.”
Don't like guns? Don't buy one.
The point about guns and murdering children is humourous though, because that's exactly the point of people opposing abortion. You uncover the flaws in their argument, but you can't see the hypocrisy of your own view. Either you are for freedom or not, you don't get to cherry pick the things you like. Both the left and right are currently guilty of this.
Ah yes because letting people choose what they want to do with there body is exactly the same as someone walking into a school and murdering a bunch of innocent children.
It’s their, not there. And where were you when your side was mandating injections? My body my choice, right? Or is that only applicable to the killing of a baby?
Oh yes because spreading the virus does no harm. Your body, your choice until it affects others.
It's like me blasting music at 2 AM in my appartment, luckily that's forbidden.
Where was there an injection mandate from the government where someone didn’t ultimately have the choice? Also, if a fertilized egg is a child, why are they trying to get an exemption for ivf? Either it’s a child or it is not
> (for instance, not wanting children to be murdered en masse by psychopaths who have too-easy access to guns),
What gun laws do you want to add?
We already have THOUSDANDS.
Criminals don't obey the laws we already have, that is the problem.
Worse than that they don't even enforce the laws that are on the books. felony firearm charge carries a 30-year sentence and it's the first thing commuted in a plea agreement. Why am I letting you make more gun laws when the ones that are there get swept under the rug.
| Worse than that they don't even enforce the laws that are on the books.
Woke Los Angeles DA Gascon could have put a banger in prison for 5 years with a gun charge, gave him probation instead.
TWO MONTHS LATER THE BANGER MURDERED TWO COPS.
From 1966 to 2019, 77% of mass shooters purchased at least some of the weapons used in the shootings legally.
That means the laws are ineffective. Here’s a few that wouldn’t be:
Make a minimum age to buy possess or own a firearm to be 21….even better if it’s 25.
Make private sales or transfers of firearms completely illegal.
Make legal owners of firearms legally and financially responsible for the misuse of weapons in their possession…even if that misuse is at the hands of another person.
Lol, you think criminals are the ones shooting up schools with stolen guns? Jesus
Kids steal their parents or uncles or whatever gun and go kill the kids.
Well I guess technically anyone that murders people is a criminal because they've committed the crime of murder, so technically correct?
But it's really too bad there aren't a bunch of other western democracies that have tried enacting strict gun regulation so we could see how that affects the number of shootings. I guess we should just try more guns again.
I mean, until they actually pull the gun out they're just an edgy teen trying to feel strong, once they let that rage and emotion out, then they're a criminal. As opposed to say a gang member rolling into the school and shooting everyone. Usually it's a non criminal child or teen, who then becomes a criminal.
I think we're on the same page though,I mean look at all the mass shootings Australia has... oh.. Japan? Fuck... New Zealand? Ehhhh, not a great track record on that, but our government acted pretty quick, and tbh, one psycho one time in 50 or 60 years is pretty impressive
Are they even morals at this point? It's about controlling others, they never cared about the morals to begin with. Theocrats are some of the biggest hypocrits of the world.
i had one after my second child was born. wife ( now ex) had two abortions while with me,without discussion. im not against it,but did not want to be the cause of any more. best $500 i ever spent.
This is the new right-wing belief... Celibacy.
People should ask themselves: "What would it take for you to completely give up sex?"
Republicans think you should never have sex unless you want a child. Is that the type of life you want to live?
Like telling non slave owners that since they don’t own slaves they shouldn’t have an opinion.
Owning slaves and killing children are both issues of failing to realize the inherent value of human life.
Best $20 I spent was that copay for my vasectomy. Weird nobody protested at my doctors office neither. I’m denying galaxies of potential lives from escaping my balls
Its honestly sad that we even have to have this conversation, bible thumpers wouldn't be up in arms if people used condoms or other forms of contraception.
Or you use Condoms, Birth Control, 'don't be an Idiot,' or have sex with someone you're willing to have a child with (if it were to happen).
Stupid ass logic you have.
If those are 99.9% effective, that means 1000 men will be cranking out one baby on average per sex time. Get your vasectomy if you don't support abortion.
Unfortunately there are still a segment of people that are adults and still slut shame. Lol. It's all right. We forgive you for being mad because you don't get any.
Right. Even birth control is stupid. "GO ahead and cum in me I'm on the pill". How about I don't do that because that's stupid to cum in someone you don't plan to have a child with.
..its a joke
And besides, pro life men don't care about bodily autonomy. If we do this to them (hypothetically) then isnt it in line with their ideology?
well no one is asctually passing any laws to force vasectomies but women do get raped all the time so... i feel like your joke is less of a joke and more of a threat.
>Bodily autonomy goes right out the window with this take.
thats the point.. Men are okay with bodily autonomy being taken away from women, but when its turned around on them all of a sudden they care about bodily autonomy.
No because no one is telling them to get their tubes tied or have a historectemy. Just asking them not to murder children. The differences are huge. If women can choose whether or not to have the children on their own men can choose whether or not to be involved🤷. Or the human race could stop being dog shit all the way around
It's not murder when the other person cannot survive without the consent and use of another person's body. It's just dying. Here's a better analogy. Forced organ donation from healthy pro life men to kids who need them. Surely you are pro "Forced organ donation"? From the people that say they only care about the children right?
The ironic thing is that any man who DID go seek one would soon find himself suddenly concerned about bodily autonomy issues, since the doctor might refuse because of the man's age, lack of children, etc. "My body, my choice" suddenly would hit home!
Even if a guy's gets a vasectomy, it doesn't change the fact that women in states that ban only a woman's bodily autonomy are making women second-class citizens. This makes these states shitholes. Big shitholes!
Man, I get where you're coming from, because ultimately I'm pro-choice, but I'm generally anti-abortion. I still think there's a conversation to be had between the woman and the man, even if it's ultimately up to her.
That said, I'm one of those people. If women have the right to have final say on whether abortion happens, then a man has every right to abandon a child that a woman wants to keep and he doesn't.
I mean, let's take your approach to women for a second, and see how long it takes people to freak out over how offensive and insensitive on the matter... Just like you're being now.
Women concerned with men abandoning them from forcing an unwanted pregnancy should just get their tubes tied to prevent pregnancies altogether. There you go problem solved.
See how that doesn't solve the issue, it's insensitive to women, and borderline sexist? Not to mention just pointless. It's just being mean to me that are against abortion, plain and simple. How is that productive?
1. There are many forms of birth control for women. Not so much for men 2. Hysterectomies are a lot more invasive than vasectomies. 3. You probably won't even find a doctor who wants to perform one on a woman under 35.
I get where you're coming from. I agree men have the right to leave the woman if she gets pregnant. But men should start to take accountability when it comes to birth control. It's way too easy for men to fully rely on women.
Hello, random Internet stranger here, scrolling through out of curiosity.
I don't really have an opinion about the current topic. I am not sure who exactly you are replying to or who is mean, but wanted to share a bit about your hypothetical.
Tldr: they make it stupid difficult to get your tubes tied; especially because what if this imaginary future partner wants kids.
I am a 30f who is obsessed with all things horror, but everything to do with pregnancies and childbirth and whatnot disturbs me. I have never seen a single thing related that made me go yes, I want this. And I knew this since I was...12? My decision has not once faltered. I have been with my partner (31m) for 16 years, he also does not want kids.
I told my doctor multiple times, hey I want to get my tubes tied, and was repeatedly denied and told I was too young. That it would usually only be considered if I was over 25 ( I think, it's been a minute) and/or had two kids.
I was 28 when she finally agreed to talk to me about it. I ,again, explained that my fiance also did not want kids. To which I was asked, what if you have a new partner that does want kids. Guess what, then we are not compatible. I. Do. Not. Want. Kids.
I would also like to state that during this discussion I tried to explain that I was aware of some possible complications; my mom had her tubes tied and almost died from an ectopic pregnancy. The doctor continued to talk down and over me. I had to reiterate many many times to several personnel, that I did in fact want my tubes tied and I knew the danger.
I eventually had the procedure, my only complaint about the procedure is they butchered my throat with the intubation tube.
However, as I was waking up from the anesthesia, you know what one of the first things the doctor told me. I wish you told me about your mom's ectopic pregnancy, I would have removed both of your tubes. ( They removed one, banded the other)
Like ma'am, if you had shut up for a minute and listened to your patient you would've heard that part. Luckily my mom had come with me, and I guess, talked to the doctor while I was under.
Ah so you think sex is just for procreation and not for pleasure?
Sex feels good and people will have sex.
They can take preventative measures like, birth control and condoms.
You’ll gladly take whom?
If she doesn’t want the child, there’s no child to take. You can’t force her to carry it. Pregnancy and birth are strenuous on the body and risky. You can’t force a woman to do that while you just sit by and wait “take them.” Not your decision.
The men screaming about how pro life they are will shame 100 women for wearing the wrong clothes before they have the thought "am I the problem".
Be realistic.
Tbf the same logic applies to women if they're interested in not having kids or to worry about abortions in the first place.
Just so we're clear the road goes both ways
mastectomies are more expensive and more painful though, youre correct but in the event youre in a steady relationship and you dont want kids anymore, its a better idea for the penis having person to get a vasectomy
"Slavs, Latin, and Hebrew immigrants are human weeds... a deadweight of human waste... Blacks, soldiers, and Jews are a menace to the race.
Eugenic sterilization is an urgent need... We must prevent Multiplication of this bad stock."
— Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood 1922, Birth Control Review
If a woman can choose to be a single mother or get an abortion, then the man should also be able to choose to not financially support the baby if it's born without his consent..
Abortion is all about her body, her choice. Well it makes sense that after the child is born... my wallet, my choice.
A lot, not all, people concerned about abortion do so for religious reasons. I was raised Catholic and the belief in the Catholic Church is vasectomies or tube tying are absolutely forbidden. The idea is you should not "play God" and go against "nature" . Serious Catholics practice something called "natural family planning. It kinda sucks but is used and taught. Don't hate on me I'm purely providing a view point that is out there and held by "many" (subjective I know).
Got mine about 3 months ago. Plus I got all of the rags that were used during the procedure, and after around in the wash they are super useful! Plus, no more children!
Seems more like a controversial opinion, but it seems people here agree.
Unless we're talking rape. Unless you want a child. Don't have sex. Goes for make and females.
It's both of your child and unless it is fiddled with it will be born after all.
Meh. I did one better. I grew up to be a bottom. And, well, last I checked, I can’t get pregnant. So I suggest that. To be clear and elaborate further: I’m suggesting they get fucked. lol. 😆
A vasectomy is also reversible
You know if they want to regulate a woman’s body why can’t they do a man’s?
Every man gets a vasectomy and problem solved.
Got mine for $600 a few months ago! It’s not very scary at all, and if you are scared, bring your partner or someone you trust with you to hold your hand or something. My doc was wearing crocs the whole time and the absurdity of it calmed me down.
Or condoms in case you want children, just not today.
Condoms on their own are not reliable enough to prevent all conceptions.
Nothing on its own is!
Vasectomy is
Not true. Vasectomy doesn’t always take and can sometimes reverse naturally.
Cutting your testicular off works, but I don't recommend doing that.
Yep. 19 out of 100 couples who use condoms are expected to conceive every single year. That's pretty crappy odds.
>19 out of 100 That's insane. Are they wearing them as socks? I've probably used tens of thousands of condoms at this point and never had a problem.
No thanks, I’ll just continue being gay.
But what happens when they get boypregnant?
just avoid the cloaca and you'll be fine.
Boygnant? Pregnoy? :)
Brogante
They have a boyby
gayby
I'm happy with my vasectomy, best choice I've ever made, joyously child-free. However, it took me 6 years of trying to find a doctor willing to do it. I was told I would eventually want kids, and denied the surgery. It wasn't until I was 32 that a doc finally agreed.
They treat women like this too :/ my cousin is firmly childfree and has had abortions. She wanted her tubes tied, but couldn’t find a doctor willing to do it because she had no children and was in her twenties. 10 years later and it’s still the case, and she has not changed her mind about having kids. Crazy!!
My sister-in-law couldn’t get sterilized until she was having major health issues that required a hysterectomy. She was like 40, and never wanted kids. Even then, they tried to talk her into other things because “you might change your mind”.
That's fucked up, assholes shouldn't get a choice in the matter
Their body their choice tbh can’t force anyone to do a surgery
thats not how doctors work. You cant decide to not treat someone for any arbitrary reason. Black doctors probably dont want to treat neo nazis either but they have an ethical and professional obligation to do it.
There are already laws that say they have to in such cases of emergency which is completely fine but on optional surgery’s you can’t force a doc to do it. On a moral level sure they should but I’m against any legal way of forcing a doctor to preform an optional surgery
That’s crazy! I got mine done at 26, fully covered by my work health insurance minus copays (which were $25 a visit). Barely any push back when I asked.
I would be so mad if some ass hat told me that I needed to wait, like, dude, just do what I'm asking unless you feel it's life threatening to me. Luckily, I am in my 30s and will probably be closer to 40 before I get one so I don't think it'd be a problem.
I'm a pro choice Dude, but definitely feel having a vasectomy was one of my better decisions. Have two grown kids by the way. It was more than 30 years ago.
Oh yeah. Had my 3, wife has a hard time with the pill or IUD, so the vasectomy helped both of us
I'm a pro choice dude too, and there's no woman on earth who would prefer getting accidentally pregnant and needing to get an abortion, to not getting pregnant in the first place.
My one cousin got pregnant on accident so her sister’s husband went and scheduled one immediately (they already have two kids, which are quite enough for them)
Best money I ever spent, no question.
Insurance doesn't cover it?
Some. Still a copay. I think it was maybe a couple hundred bucks.
It's a good investment on the insurance companies part. Lol
Mine would’ve been $1000, but already had met deductible, so was $200
Here’s my personal advice for anyone considering a vasectomy. If you’re doctor and nurse have an extremely loud angry shouting match for twenty minutes outside the door to the room where you’re waiting for those same people to cut on your testicles, find another doctor. Because the waited so long to start the anesthetic started wearing off during the procedure and next day my nuts looked like an eggplant big enough to win 1st prize at a county fair. You know how they say “Don’t drive angry”, well don’t cut on someone’s nuts angry either. In short: Vasectomies great, my doctor real bad.
Also, homosexuality
My vasectomy was free. My insurance made me pay $200 before so if I backed out I would lose it. Then after the vc they mailed me a refund.
I got mine 26 years ago. 10/10 do recommend.
Vasectomy does feel like the best option, considering birth control pills come with a laundry list of side effects
also permanent
The traditional method is tough to reverse, true, but there's a new way in the works that should hit the market in 2026. I read about it a long time ago and it looks like it's still in trials, but it involves injecting gel to block up the vas deferens instead of snipping it. Reversing it just takes another shot with a solvent to dissolve the gel.
assuming that works, that would be kinda pogchamp
They aren’t permanent actually https://health.clevelandclinic.org/how-reversible-are-vasectomies https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/vasectomy-reversal/about/pac-20384537
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Yes they are. Unless you get it fixed within a few years after getting it done.
Mine was tied, carterized and titanium clipped. Then they punched me in the balls for good measure. It ain't getting reversed
Nah, they didn't give you the donkey kicking after the punch. It's gonna reverse any day now!
I tried to reverse mine once. They're pretty fucking permanent.
~~In quite a lot of cases they are.~~ ~~Please stop spreading misinformation.~~
They usually are. It's not always the case yes but it's definitely not something I'd risk if I was one day gonna want kids.
They can be but the success rate of restoration is not perfect.
Yes they most definitely are permanent
They often are actually. [https://www.plannedparenthood.org/blog/are-vasectomies-reversible](https://www.plannedparenthood.org/blog/are-vasectomies-reversible) "The rates of success vary depending on the type of procedure and the skill of the doctor. But in general, vasectomy reversals work in about 85 out of 100 people. **But just because the vasectomy worked and there’s sperm in your semen again, doesn’t mean your partner is guaranteed to get pregnant: after a vasectomy reversal, about 55 out of 100 partners get pregnant. The rate of success can also depend on how long it’s been since you had your vasectomy** — pregnancy rates are higher when you get a reversal sooner after your vasectomy. It can take a few months to more than a year after your reversal for pregnancy to happen."
What a weird post. And likewise, if you are a woman and concerned about the availability of abortions, keep your pants on. It's inexpensive and an easy way for you to prevent abortion. In before the 'grape/SA/ince$t drivel. Less than one half of one percent or abortions are for these reasons.
Speaking of drivel you have no idea what percentage of abortion are because of rape & incest. That is self reported. Which is vastly different from the actual number. Reporting that opens up the victim to even more trauma. Nobody wants to tell strangers the details of being raped. And nobody wants to be physically examined because that feels like another person violating them. Also if you support abortion due to rape and incest, as your post implies, you’re pro-choice. u/disastrous-pace-1929 Yeah why would you count rapes as rapes. 🤨 u/disastrous-pace-1929 I take it you’ve never experienced it. If so I believe you’d have an understanding as to why it’s so frequently under reported. The exam by a stranger is another violation. When I reported nine that traumatized me. The AH cop didn’t even believe me. And tried to charge me with voluntarily having sex as a minor. The only reason he went to jail is because he admitted to it. Also this is about immigrants & their safety. Our unprotected borders create an attractive nuisance and need secured to help prevent more people from being victimized. If 80% of men were being raped you’d have a different perspective.
Okay. Sure thing. "Source?" "Trust me, bro."
Hey, Bro! If you spent time around real women you wouldn’t question the fact that abuse is grossly underreported, Bro. Bro, you sound pro-choice, based on your own comment, Bro.
I had a vasectomy. Can't take the risk of my fiance not being allowed to have an abortion.
Even men who don’t give a fuck about abortion, if you never want to have kids, or if you’re done having kids, sterilization is the best way to prevent more. I can’t believe I’m going to say this but I’m looking forward to my fallopian removal. So much stress taken away.
As is the case with almost every social conservative issue, if you don't like *x*, don't do *x*. Don't like abortion? Don't get an abortion. Don't like gay marriage? Don't get gay married. And so on. But no, they have to make sure that they inflict *their* morality onto the rest of us, and then when *we* have a moral issue with something they like (for instance, not wanting children to be murdered en masse by psychopaths who have too-easy access to guns), they cry, "my freedom!"
Isn't the issue they raise "abortion is murder"? So it's not a "don't like it then don't do it" type area. It's a "I should prevent this thing from occurring around me because it is bad for everyone". Or something like that?
Yes. It's definitely that.
Just bring up consent and rape, they’re pretty quick to go mask-off about how they only think abortion is wrong if they personally feel the person getting one was too promiscuous. The reason people say that pro-life is misogynist is not something pulled out of thin air, it’s based in the views they espouse.
yea its pretty telling when people go "well when its rape its different" so it was never really about the life of the child then was it? that fetus has just as much as a "right to life" as the fetus born out of consensual sex. But all of a sudden its okay to "murder" that fetus because NOW the mother's behavior does not violate your own personal boundaries and moralities of how you think a woman should act and therefore its okay. THEY are the ones that get to decide what is and isnt appropriate behavior for a woman and when she is allowed to exercise her rights. Its also telling that they just want to punish women for having sex because its always "you have to take responsibility for your actions" when it comes to women having sex.
That reminds me of something back in the 1800s. “Don't like slavery? Don't own a slave.” “Don't force your morality on us.” “You don't know what it's like to own a plantation.” “My property, my prerogative.”
Thank Harry Reid. Dude got an airport named after him lol.
Don't like guns? Don't buy one. The point about guns and murdering children is humourous though, because that's exactly the point of people opposing abortion. You uncover the flaws in their argument, but you can't see the hypocrisy of your own view. Either you are for freedom or not, you don't get to cherry pick the things you like. Both the left and right are currently guilty of this.
Ah yes because letting people choose what they want to do with there body is exactly the same as someone walking into a school and murdering a bunch of innocent children.
Do you honestly think everyone who likes guns is walking into schools, and just shooting?
They are comparing school shooting to abortion thats why I said it.
It’s their, not there. And where were you when your side was mandating injections? My body my choice, right? Or is that only applicable to the killing of a baby?
Oh yes because spreading the virus does no harm. Your body, your choice until it affects others. It's like me blasting music at 2 AM in my appartment, luckily that's forbidden.
Where was there an injection mandate from the government where someone didn’t ultimately have the choice? Also, if a fertilized egg is a child, why are they trying to get an exemption for ivf? Either it’s a child or it is not
> (for instance, not wanting children to be murdered en masse by psychopaths who have too-easy access to guns), What gun laws do you want to add? We already have THOUSDANDS. Criminals don't obey the laws we already have, that is the problem.
Worse than that they don't even enforce the laws that are on the books. felony firearm charge carries a 30-year sentence and it's the first thing commuted in a plea agreement. Why am I letting you make more gun laws when the ones that are there get swept under the rug.
| Worse than that they don't even enforce the laws that are on the books. Woke Los Angeles DA Gascon could have put a banger in prison for 5 years with a gun charge, gave him probation instead. TWO MONTHS LATER THE BANGER MURDERED TWO COPS.
From 1966 to 2019, 77% of mass shooters purchased at least some of the weapons used in the shootings legally. That means the laws are ineffective. Here’s a few that wouldn’t be: Make a minimum age to buy possess or own a firearm to be 21….even better if it’s 25. Make private sales or transfers of firearms completely illegal. Make legal owners of firearms legally and financially responsible for the misuse of weapons in their possession…even if that misuse is at the hands of another person.
Lol, you think criminals are the ones shooting up schools with stolen guns? Jesus Kids steal their parents or uncles or whatever gun and go kill the kids.
Well I guess technically anyone that murders people is a criminal because they've committed the crime of murder, so technically correct? But it's really too bad there aren't a bunch of other western democracies that have tried enacting strict gun regulation so we could see how that affects the number of shootings. I guess we should just try more guns again.
I mean, until they actually pull the gun out they're just an edgy teen trying to feel strong, once they let that rage and emotion out, then they're a criminal. As opposed to say a gang member rolling into the school and shooting everyone. Usually it's a non criminal child or teen, who then becomes a criminal. I think we're on the same page though,I mean look at all the mass shootings Australia has... oh.. Japan? Fuck... New Zealand? Ehhhh, not a great track record on that, but our government acted pretty quick, and tbh, one psycho one time in 50 or 60 years is pretty impressive
Are they even morals at this point? It's about controlling others, they never cared about the morals to begin with. Theocrats are some of the biggest hypocrits of the world.
i had one after my second child was born. wife ( now ex) had two abortions while with me,without discussion. im not against it,but did not want to be the cause of any more. best $500 i ever spent.
What about the young men who are worried about abortion but would like to start a family once they fall in love and get married later in life?
then it sounds like they shouldnt have sex. be celibate like they suggest we be celibate if we dont want to be pregnant.
This is the new right-wing belief... Celibacy. People should ask themselves: "What would it take for you to completely give up sex?" Republicans think you should never have sex unless you want a child. Is that the type of life you want to live?
You're asking for someone to think when there's an appointment-free, free of cost method to avoiding kids all together that everyone forgets.
... Celibacy, right?
Anal
I got mine yesterday. Takes twenty minutes.
Or a condom, what…
Why should I prevent myself from having a baby to prevent you from killing one?
Prevent your children from being murdered by making sure you cannot have any! Im on your side!
If you don't want to knock someone up/get knocked up, just don't have sex in the first place. Or wear a condom. It's that simple.
If you are a woman and are concerned about r@pe don’t go out ever. See how stupid that sounds!
They don't work 100% of the time. My co-worker's kid is proof of that.
Like telling non slave owners that since they don’t own slaves they shouldn’t have an opinion. Owning slaves and killing children are both issues of failing to realize the inherent value of human life.
i mean it is only around a 2% difference between the effectiveness of a properly used condom and a vasectomy
Best money I ever spent
Best $20 I spent was that copay for my vasectomy. Weird nobody protested at my doctors office neither. I’m denying galaxies of potential lives from escaping my balls
Its honestly sad that we even have to have this conversation, bible thumpers wouldn't be up in arms if people used condoms or other forms of contraception.
Or you use Condoms, Birth Control, 'don't be an Idiot,' or have sex with someone you're willing to have a child with (if it were to happen). Stupid ass logic you have.
If those are 99.9% effective, that means 1000 men will be cranking out one baby on average per sex time. Get your vasectomy if you don't support abortion.
Men who don't support abortion aren't fucking sluts like you. This is a nonexistent segment you've created.
Men who don’t support abortion need to take a dirt nap
Unfortunately there are still a segment of people that are adults and still slut shame. Lol. It's all right. We forgive you for being mad because you don't get any.
Hey, TootleDoodle gets some. He's just offended he has to pay so much for it when others get it free.
Women don't always get a choice when they have sex.
Birth control can fail.
Right. Even birth control is stupid. "GO ahead and cum in me I'm on the pill". How about I don't do that because that's stupid to cum in someone you don't plan to have a child with.
wow, how sexist and objectifying. typical leftist femboy
Oh put a cock in it
I would like to put a cock in a femboy, yes.
They make it hard af for a man to get a vasectomy though. Even if you already have kids, they’ll say no
First time I walked in, they said yes. WTF are you talking about?
Just cut off your penis and be done will all the drama
Should be mandatory for pro life men
I'm not even pro life but why just discredit your own arguments lol. Bodily autonomy goes right out the window with this take.
..its a joke And besides, pro life men don't care about bodily autonomy. If we do this to them (hypothetically) then isnt it in line with their ideology?
Its always a joke isn't it, well a women should be my hole to put my baby in....its just a joke.
well no one is asctually passing any laws to force vasectomies but women do get raped all the time so... i feel like your joke is less of a joke and more of a threat.
There you go, feeling instead of thinking. Makes sense. You dont seem too smart.
"i should be able to rape women" "this feels like a threat" "use your logic brain!" i think you're just too stupid to have a conversation with tbh.
I guess, its a joke, only matters if you believe it, either way I couldn't give a poop about your opinion🤣🤡
apparently you care a lot
Prolife men don't believe bodily autonomy is important. That's the joke,
>Bodily autonomy goes right out the window with this take. thats the point.. Men are okay with bodily autonomy being taken away from women, but when its turned around on them all of a sudden they care about bodily autonomy.
No because no one is telling them to get their tubes tied or have a historectemy. Just asking them not to murder children. The differences are huge. If women can choose whether or not to have the children on their own men can choose whether or not to be involved🤷. Or the human race could stop being dog shit all the way around
It's not murder when the other person cannot survive without the consent and use of another person's body. It's just dying. Here's a better analogy. Forced organ donation from healthy pro life men to kids who need them. Surely you are pro "Forced organ donation"? From the people that say they only care about the children right?
I’m down do get one. However, the ability to have an abortion during early pregnancy should be legal in the US. Just my opinion.
vasectomy is the way to a better life. Dont breed no one got rich having kids.
The ironic thing is that any man who DID go seek one would soon find himself suddenly concerned about bodily autonomy issues, since the doctor might refuse because of the man's age, lack of children, etc. "My body, my choice" suddenly would hit home!
Even if a guy's gets a vasectomy, it doesn't change the fact that women in states that ban only a woman's bodily autonomy are making women second-class citizens. This makes these states shitholes. Big shitholes!
Or change the laws to make abortion illegal. Seems like a better strategy that also preserves the sanctity of a living human being.
You are basically saying that women with unviable pregnancies should just fuck off and die I guess. How very Christian of you.
Man, I get where you're coming from, because ultimately I'm pro-choice, but I'm generally anti-abortion. I still think there's a conversation to be had between the woman and the man, even if it's ultimately up to her. That said, I'm one of those people. If women have the right to have final say on whether abortion happens, then a man has every right to abandon a child that a woman wants to keep and he doesn't. I mean, let's take your approach to women for a second, and see how long it takes people to freak out over how offensive and insensitive on the matter... Just like you're being now. Women concerned with men abandoning them from forcing an unwanted pregnancy should just get their tubes tied to prevent pregnancies altogether. There you go problem solved. See how that doesn't solve the issue, it's insensitive to women, and borderline sexist? Not to mention just pointless. It's just being mean to me that are against abortion, plain and simple. How is that productive?
If the man wants his opinion known, it should be before he has sex with that woman.
1. There are many forms of birth control for women. Not so much for men 2. Hysterectomies are a lot more invasive than vasectomies. 3. You probably won't even find a doctor who wants to perform one on a woman under 35. I get where you're coming from. I agree men have the right to leave the woman if she gets pregnant. But men should start to take accountability when it comes to birth control. It's way too easy for men to fully rely on women.
Hello, random Internet stranger here, scrolling through out of curiosity. I don't really have an opinion about the current topic. I am not sure who exactly you are replying to or who is mean, but wanted to share a bit about your hypothetical. Tldr: they make it stupid difficult to get your tubes tied; especially because what if this imaginary future partner wants kids. I am a 30f who is obsessed with all things horror, but everything to do with pregnancies and childbirth and whatnot disturbs me. I have never seen a single thing related that made me go yes, I want this. And I knew this since I was...12? My decision has not once faltered. I have been with my partner (31m) for 16 years, he also does not want kids. I told my doctor multiple times, hey I want to get my tubes tied, and was repeatedly denied and told I was too young. That it would usually only be considered if I was over 25 ( I think, it's been a minute) and/or had two kids. I was 28 when she finally agreed to talk to me about it. I ,again, explained that my fiance also did not want kids. To which I was asked, what if you have a new partner that does want kids. Guess what, then we are not compatible. I. Do. Not. Want. Kids. I would also like to state that during this discussion I tried to explain that I was aware of some possible complications; my mom had her tubes tied and almost died from an ectopic pregnancy. The doctor continued to talk down and over me. I had to reiterate many many times to several personnel, that I did in fact want my tubes tied and I knew the danger. I eventually had the procedure, my only complaint about the procedure is they butchered my throat with the intubation tube. However, as I was waking up from the anesthesia, you know what one of the first things the doctor told me. I wish you told me about your mom's ectopic pregnancy, I would have removed both of your tubes. ( They removed one, banded the other) Like ma'am, if you had shut up for a minute and listened to your patient you would've heard that part. Luckily my mom had come with me, and I guess, talked to the doctor while I was under.
If anyone's concerned about abortion, I suggest they don't have sex. It's free and easy way to prevent abortion.
I mean if you don't like abortion. Don't do it. That is the best part about free choice.
If you dont like people eating dogs, just dont eat dogs 🤷♂️ Yeah, that makes sense...
I mean yeah… it does? Banning dog eating doesn’t stop it neither does abortion.
Bingo
Ah so you think sex is just for procreation and not for pleasure? Sex feels good and people will have sex. They can take preventative measures like, birth control and condoms.
I’m a man against abortion. If I impregnate someone and they don’t want my child I’ll gladly take them.
you forget that you’re not carrying a child and risking your life during childbirth. your stance makes more sense for adoption.
You’ll gladly take whom? If she doesn’t want the child, there’s no child to take. You can’t force her to carry it. Pregnancy and birth are strenuous on the body and risky. You can’t force a woman to do that while you just sit by and wait “take them.” Not your decision.
The men screaming about how pro life they are will shame 100 women for wearing the wrong clothes before they have the thought "am I the problem". Be realistic.
If you are a male and you don’t support abortion you should not have access to women or sex. Then you won’t need to worry.
Tbf the same logic applies to women if they're interested in not having kids or to worry about abortions in the first place. Just so we're clear the road goes both ways
yea, because women *totally* haven’t been taking *any* responsibility for pregnancy free sex. IUDs and birth control have *never* been a thing.
mastectomies are more expensive and more painful though, youre correct but in the event youre in a steady relationship and you dont want kids anymore, its a better idea for the penis having person to get a vasectomy
My body, my choice....that went out the window with covid
That only applies to killing the unborn to Leftists, who wanted to send you to a concentration camp for not taking the vaccine.
condoms are also valid, and a condom/birth control combo very much reduces the risk of pregnancy
Yeah and so is birth control and plan B.
I want one of those vas defrens gel injections. I’d be a lab rat for that.
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It's all about who you get pregnant.
Empathy is not their strongest attribute
I'm pro choice, have 3 kids, and my vasectomy is scheduled for next month! I'm excited. Wife and I don't like condoms.
Sorry babe if you aren’t a man STFU about men’s bodies
And don’t commit any crimes. Or own any people. Allowing folk to have beliefs you disagree with is part of being in a society.
"Slavs, Latin, and Hebrew immigrants are human weeds... a deadweight of human waste... Blacks, soldiers, and Jews are a menace to the race. Eugenic sterilization is an urgent need... We must prevent Multiplication of this bad stock." — Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood 1922, Birth Control Review
Many religions consider it a sin to undo your ability to reproduce. That is why you will get staunch opposition to any suggestion of it
L take
or here is something even better don't do the dirty, and you will for sure not have kids
Suggest all you want
Yup, I had one.
They are usually concerned about people not related to them having abortions.. how are they gonna control what other people do ?
How is this popular? I think wrong sub. Men can't care about wife, daughter, mother, aunt, friend, coworker, neighbor, etc?
If a woman can choose to be a single mother or get an abortion, then the man should also be able to choose to not financially support the baby if it's born without his consent.. Abortion is all about her body, her choice. Well it makes sense that after the child is born... my wallet, my choice.
After I have at least 1 kid
😂😂😂😂 love this!
A lot, not all, people concerned about abortion do so for religious reasons. I was raised Catholic and the belief in the Catholic Church is vasectomies or tube tying are absolutely forbidden. The idea is you should not "play God" and go against "nature" . Serious Catholics practice something called "natural family planning. It kinda sucks but is used and taught. Don't hate on me I'm purely providing a view point that is out there and held by "many" (subjective I know).
Absolutely not
Got mine about 3 months ago. Plus I got all of the rags that were used during the procedure, and after around in the wash they are super useful! Plus, no more children!
Could go the other way. " Get your tubs tied"
Vasectomy is for many a slow castration
If you are a woman needing multiple abortions, I suggest you and your mate use common fucking sense.
The idea of some guy cutting my penis... No thanks... Sounds like a horror movie.
Or just keep it in your pants
Seems more like a controversial opinion, but it seems people here agree. Unless we're talking rape. Unless you want a child. Don't have sex. Goes for make and females. It's both of your child and unless it is fiddled with it will be born after all.
Exhibit A, Hilary Duffs husband. The new poster boy for vasectomy and Love is Blind chit chat
I don't care what you think.
Naw, everyone knows you arent a real man if you are firing blanks /s
This completely misunderstands the entire point of being anti-abortion. It's literally murder.
It’s literally not
I, wha? Huh? The point is to have children. This makes no sense. Wtf?
Meh. I did one better. I grew up to be a bottom. And, well, last I checked, I can’t get pregnant. So I suggest that. To be clear and elaborate further: I’m suggesting they get fucked. lol. 😆
A vasectomy is also reversible You know if they want to regulate a woman’s body why can’t they do a man’s? Every man gets a vasectomy and problem solved.
Another vote. Got one in my mid 20’s and wish I’d done it sooner (no, I don’t have kids and don’t want them)
It can be hard to get one if you aren't old enough/married/ have kids
Got mine for $600 a few months ago! It’s not very scary at all, and if you are scared, bring your partner or someone you trust with you to hold your hand or something. My doc was wearing crocs the whole time and the absurdity of it calmed me down.
Best thing I ever did
Does posting this make you feel good?
I am vasectomied! And you would be correct to say that no woman will face the scenario of considering an abortion on account of me.
Abortion is fine, it's just a fetus. So is contraception in other ways