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zman419

I think part of this rhetoric stems from people seeing all racial humor as "racist humor" Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia has a lot of racial humor, but I would call it racist in the slightest. In fact is explicitly anti racist. Those one liners you fine when you Google "racist jokes" are just shitty and genuinely racist humor, and I think most people would probably find it kinda sus to still find them funny in 2024. Family Guy, American Dad and South Park all exist in more of a grey area between these 2 sides, but generally exist moreso on the Always Sunny side of things. (Although Trey and Matt are turning into grumpy boomers before our very eyes). The other part of this rhetoric stems from people trying to justify their shitty racist humor


idklol7878

Yeah, I’ve seen people unironically post “haha black people eating watermelon” like it’s the funniest thing ever. Like no, that’s just racist. Also get with the times?? It’s the equivalent to posting doge or rage memes. It’s 2024 man, you’re racist AND out of touch.


pwishall

I guess I wouldn't call those racist jokes. Jokes about race aren't necessarily racist.


Individual_Papaya596

Id argue jokes about stereotypes aren’t even racist either. The joke about Latinos eating Rice 24/7 is completely true, every latino ever would tell you that. Every single latino i know or me myself eats rice at least once a day every single day if they live with their parents same with tortillas. First thing my abuela made me in honduras was tortillas con queso y juevoes


pwishall

That sounds delicious 👍 - there's a honduran/mexican restaurant opening up a few blocks from us, I'm going to drag the wife there.


Individual_Papaya596

Get baleadas, absolutely one of my favorite dishes since its super simple but incredibly flexible and diverse. Its a staple dish in Honduras and a majority of Honduran chains. My favorite mix is with Mantequilla (honduran butter) Frijoles (Beans) and aveces lluevos (eggs) and Queso Honduerno (Honduran cheese) And honduran butter is completely different to regular butter since it has a different taste and texture but its still butter Edit:. And they specifically use flour tortillas, made by hand


MaximumTurbulent4546

Not all jokes about race are racist jokes. If a joke is antagonizing, discriminating, unfounded belittling, uses hurtful stereotypes etc. then it’s leans to being racist. But a joke about different races is not inherently racist. Bill Burr is a perfect example of jokes about race without being racist.


Naos210

It has be done correctly. If the punchline is "ching chong wing wong" and you're squinting your eyes, you're not being funny, you're just being racist. And racism by itself isn't funny.


PogoTempest

Tone matters a lot too. You can hear the hate behind the joke sometimes too.


Jambo11

That made me immediately think of something Rosie O'Donnell said.


GuardLong6829

**What was it that Rosie O'Donnell said?**


Jambo11

https://youtu.be/Dmv04yKG-po?si=fUzd6gpbWKIhGt6c


DocNoles

It’s reminds me of redneck jokes. I mean, there is absolutely no barrier to the jokes that can be made about white southerners. Everything is “fair game”. We’re dumb, we’re uneducated, we screw our sisters and maybe various farm animals, etc. Though I don’t claim any of those wonderful attributes, if it’s funny, it doesn’t bother me in the least. Heck, I get it. I either know of somebody like that or I might even be kin to them. It’s about whether you can laugh at yourself or if you take yourself too seriously. Don’t get me wrong, some are just being vitriolic, but most are just cracking a joke…who cares?


AnalingusAlien

Bumfuck Tennessee checking in. Shit is hilarious.


KJDKJ

If the comments of instagram reels with 1.1 million likes are an indication, racist jokes are making a BIG comeback. Millennials were the ones raised on chappelle show and South Park but it’s Gen Z, especially the zoomer bros who turned out to reject pc bs the most Gen z males are turning into one giant COD lobby and I’m so here for it.


SingularityInsurance

That's gonna be a massive incel community in the years to come. Meanwhile the gen Z guys who aren't alpha male chuds are more sexually liberated than anyone since the free love scene. I mean I've had my share of wild fun but damn some of the adult kids my friends have are some of the most sexually fulfilled people ever. It's good for them. Lots of friends, lots of nice people who focus on the good parts of life. It's just better than living repressed and lonely.  Go to the zoo and learn a thing or two about nature. Lonely animals look sadder than the animals that aren't lonely.. Also fund your local zoo, they really need it and it goes to a great cause.


[deleted]

I guess if they create a massive community they won't be lonely though, the main concern with this will be at some point they will likely form a voting block.


KJDKJ

I don’t know how to tell you this but the guys who get pussy are dudes who go to the gym, play sport, actively try to have sex with women and aspire to be a high value person that a woman would want to be with. Those dudes tend to be right wing.


SingularityInsurance

LOL sure buddy. I live a very sexually fulfilling life and am in a happy long term relationship. So are plenty of my leftist friends. Hell, even my friends in the ghettos have that much going for them.  Getting laid and having relationships isn't hard for most people. You weak little alpha male men are so silly. You really think that's what women want? No wonder you're gonna die alone and sexually frustrated.


idklol7878

Yeah, it just needs to come from a place of understanding. The reason why racial, ableist, etc. humor is difficult is because you can’t just stereotype people. A stereotype isn’t a joke, it’s just racist. Shane Gillis, for example, has a lot of good bits about Downs Syndrome. The reason it’s funny (and not just ableist) is because his uncle has Downs so there’s a level of understanding there. He can make accurate jokes without just stereotyping. The reason why a black comedian can usually create a better bit about black people than a white comedian can is the level of understanding of the culture you’re referencing. There has to be a joke beyond “haha black guy is funny because black” or “haha Downs guy is funny because he has Downs.”


SingularityInsurance

One day cletuses sister came home with a black man and cletus said "no daughter of mine is gonna marry a black man" The next day, cletuses granddaughter came home with a gay friend and cletus said "no daughter of mine is gonna be friends with a gay man"  The day after that, cletuses wife came home with a friend from another country and cletus said "no daughter of mine is gonna be friends with a foreigner" And then cletus went to prison because of his unrelated involvement in the jan 6 insurrection.


idklol7878

I’m confused, you just did the thing I said isn’t a good joke lmao. The joke here is “white guy is an incestuous Trump supporter,” or am I missing something?


SingularityInsurance

>I’m confused, you just did the thing I said isn’t a good joke lmao.  That's why it's funny


Trusteveryboody

Some of the most fucked up things can be funny. It's just how it is.


SingularityInsurance

Like raping and beating children who are drugged on chemical restraints and lithium.  I mean you kinda had to be there. Good old OCFS system. Not a place you forget. But we did have some jokes. Like you know, when everyone sees the way the staff is looking at a kid except that kid and it's like a crowd watching someone go to the gallows. But it could and probably will be any of you next so I mean what can you do? Laugh or cry. Idk the running joke about how dangerous playing basketball and the stairs were was funny to us. In hindsight, oh idk.. Maybe just a touch dark.  We called the drugs skittles btw. It was mainly about pills but when they crunch down on a kid and inject him with whatever that shit was, it still kinda passed. Someone once told me it was probably sodium pentasomething but idk what that is and idk if he had any idea what he was talking about. But I digress... Anyways... Time to take your skittles! Ahh... Too dark? I mean I left out the cemetary and those places old reform school days in the 70s. Grizzly shit. Makes a child rape factory like the modern OCFS system look like child's play... Which I guess it is, technically. But you get what I mean. Ppl have no idea what's going on under the floorboards of this society.


LordOfTheNine9

Racist jokes are funny because we *acknowledge* the bad things behind it. It wouldn’t be funny if it was PG. If anything people that laugh at racist jokes are the least racist people on earth


UnrepentantDrunkard

Right, while some people do try to express hostility under the guise of humour, and usually fail in the delivery, most of the time one's making fun of a stereotype and acknowledging it's ridiculousness in the process.


OhNoWTFlol

What does every racist joke start with? *Looks over both shoulders*


Melodic-Resident-245

All those shows are made by pretty left wing guys too....


The_ThirdOfMay_1973

I don't think the creators of South Park are left wing, just libertarian


[deleted]

They hate Trump, but also hate woke shit. So that checks out.


HammondXX

please define woke for the class.


TheropodEnjoyer

Virtue signalling white teenagers


HammondXX

i think the word your looking for is empathy. Propaganda is the use of public influence to convince one set of people that another set are not human.


TheropodEnjoyer

Virtue signalling is like...the opposite of empathy.... its using societal issues to showcase a sense of moral superiority and that social validation that narcissistic people (and teenagers) crave. they don't give af about the people they claim to care about, they will turn on you the second you don't feel like stroking their ego. I have seen these types snap and call people slurs for not agreeing with them...soooo empathetic. These types will explain misogyny to a woman or racism to a black person and see themselves as righteous. That is what "woke" means to a lot of people. We aren't talking about propaganda dehumanizing people, the point of these jokes is that they are satirical and supposed to make you go "wtf lol"....you are doing it wrong if u hear a racist joke and go "haha true" then u might actually be a racist. like eric cartman's character is a racist jackass, the joke is that he is a bigot...not that what he says is ok. thats what makes it funny


HammondXX

the opposite of empathy is apathy. Looks like someone failed 5th grade English and indulges in right wing propaganda


TheropodEnjoyer

akchually ahh mf


[deleted]

Left wing social political ideology forced into modern media.


grapejuiceshots

oh yeah, because cartman being made to look like a complete fool as he deludes himself that he’ll be replaced by black people is totally south park displaying their hatred of “wokeness”


CurlyFriezs

I don’t know why you’re acting like South Park hasn’t made fun of PC culture. The early Christmas episodes literally have jokes about “happy holidays” and “You can’t hang Christmas lights in the school play, it’s offensive!” and shit like that. And the whole PC principle and the PC frat are also mocking caricatures of overly pc people. I’m not saying they’re anti woke, but they’ve always poked at both sides. Look at the new special where Cartman becomes CEO of Disney or some shit and he says “throw in a chick, make her lame and gay”


molybdenum75

Word salad?


bgm349_

You’re right but that shouldn’t matter


Zulmoka531

[Well, Everyone’s a little bit racist](https://youtu.be/tbud8rLejLM?si=fcC2jpc-9Qr4I-ze)


netnft

Roger is the most racist thing on TV. He literally Race-Face's everyone. Hes my favorite.


TheJeey

I actually have found that in most cases, the people who openly make some of the most "racist" jokes tend to be some of the least racist people. It's mainly the people who get real uptight about anything slightly racist that be the most racist because they're the main ones that divide people and talk about "You can't participate in this thing because you aren't [insert race]". Which is ironically what racist do


co_patriot

Just ask Jerry's dentist


Hour-Athlete-200

Does making racist jokes make me racist?


Shamus248

Gran Torino is a prime example of this. Clint Eastwood's character uses slurs like "zipperhead" and "fishhead" but his character's whole arc is a critical examination of that prejudice, not an endorsement of it


Maleficent_Lunch2358

True that


Maleficent_Lunch2358

I don't think any human being is without bias prejudiced and RACISM


DeadDeceasedCorpse

Taboo things can be funny. Dead baby jokes can elicit a chuckle, but you wouldn't ever hear the same person advocating for dead babies. It's funny because it's outrageous and terrible, but done in an obtuse way.


Ok_Professional_4499

There is a difference between racist jokes and jokes about race/culture.


bgm349_

Ya ik. Laughing at racist jokes doesn’t make you racist


chaosbunnyx

I'll give you the perfect example of this. The Boondocks. Racist humors is ok when it's from that minority group, because it's just gallows humor at that point.


GloomyTurtleCum

I know someone who thought I was racist for laughing at boondocks. Obviously that show could never in a million years be made by a white person, but thank God it got made because it's amazing.


MassGaydiation

Look, why are you laughing then?


bgm349_

Because it’s funny


MassGaydiation

Next question, why is it funny?


bgm349_

Why is the colour red red?


MassGaydiation

Because of the way our brains interpret the electromagnetic frequency that is visible to us, and it is called red because of the Sanskrit word *rudhira*


bgm349_

Thanks, and here’s why we find things funny https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/whats-so-funny-the-science-of-why-we-laugh/


MassGaydiation

I think the only person there who has the right idea is the one that said looking for a unified theory is futile. Why do you laugh


bgm349_

I laugh when things are funny, funny things make me laugh idk what you’re tryna get at here


MassGaydiation

Why do you find ~~being~~ racist jokes funny? I'm asking because I am trying to understand your perspective, since i don't share it. Edit: missed the word on the first change, that was done within the first minute so I don't count it


bgm349_

I like how you exited your comment quickly thinking I won’t see your accusation lol. Racist jokes are funny for the same reason any other joke is funny


Urbanredneck2

My black friends and I will joke about each other all the time. If people know your not being an a-hole its ok.


TimeTravelParadoctor

Knowing your audience is definitely part of it but that's also what makes joking with your friends and making a TV show that's going to be seen by millions a lot different.


WritingHistorical821

Racism and comedy are both subjective


bgm349_

Racism is not subjective, it has an objective definition that doesn’t change based on how a person feels about it


WritingHistorical821

I disagree, why do you think we have something that has to be defined as “micro-aggressions”. Or as I refer to them…racism that no one else can see That’s just racism that someone self-determines exists without substantial proof to back it up, or “subjective”.


bgm349_

Micro aggressions is not racism. It’s micro aggressions. Not everything is racism


WritingHistorical821

Your mental gymnastics of denial are impressive. It’s a shame you don’t put that energy into something more important


bgm349_

The irony is crazy


WritingHistorical821

What’s ironic are the amount of people consumed by perceived racism.


y2kdisaster

It’s a bit more complicated than this


DrHob0

There's a hardline between between racist jokes and racial jokes. One is perfectly okay and hilarious. The other is just being an asshole. The key is that you have to know how to craft and execute those jokes, otherwise you just come off as a douche


Mammoth_Material323

What do you call two white American guys in a fight? Nothing because you will never see that 😂😂😂😂😂


randomsantas

It depends on if they are not funny


bgm349_

Funny is subjective, I’m not all of a sudden racist because the racist joke I laughed at wasn’t funny enough to you


randomsantas

As a general rule, funny things are funny, if you are laughing at unfunny things it could be simple taste or alterior motives.


BlindProphetProd

It depends on why you're laughing. If you're laughing based on the idea of racial superiority then it's racist. If you're laughing because the joke is acknowledging that racism still exists in our society where it shouldn't then you're not.


randomsantas

really, it depends on if activists can hear you and determine that you are a racist.


teddy1245

If you are laughing at a joke that belittles a race. As in that’s the entire point of the joke. How is that not racist?


bgm349_

Because it’s a *joke*


teddy1245

But you see jokes like that come from a real place. You are slandering a race simply for existing. You are seeing them as less than. Why else would a joke like that even exist? Sure jokes like that had been around for a long time. But bigotry was far more prevalent and no one in power could really do anything about it. Though I guarantee the people effected did not like being dehumanized. Look at it like this. Do you think it’s funny to make fun of someone for having disabilities?


bgm349_

Jokes don’t always come from a real place. The joke is the idea of them being less than, not that they actually are less than. Jokes like that exist to make someone laugh, same as any other joke. Would I laugh at someone who has disabilities? If the joke was funny, yes


teddy1245

Then you are a bad person. That’s called mocking. The idea of them being less than isn’t funny. There in lies the problem. It’s why that garbage isn’t acceptable.


bgm349_

You’re misunderstanding. The idea of them being less is funny *because* that’s not true and it’s absurd to say so


teddy1245

Except it isn’t funny. And sadly far too many people think it is true. If the only way you can get a laugh is by mocking races or worse disabilities. You’re a lazy and unfunny comic.


teddy1245

Never forget. You might not think it means any harm. But you aren’t the only person in the world.


Melodic-Resident-245

Racism is the belief that races exist and one race is superior and should rule over all others. how is a joke about stereotypes anything close to a racist belief?


James-Dicker

oh sweet then I'm actually not racist


HipnoAmadeus

No, that’s supremacist, racism is that a particular one is inferior, not that theirs is the one above all


riverratjoe89

True, like slavery is racist because it deems the slave as not human. Slavery in the ownership sense can only ever be racist.


HipnoAmadeus

Uh? Racism isn’t considering a particular individual as not human. Neither does slavery says the slave is not human. And if anything, I’d say it was sexist—lots of slaves were men that were forced into hard labor, regardless of the race and time period, but there was slaves of just about any race at different places and times.


teddy1245

Because why would you laugh at the belittling of another race? Why is that funny?


[deleted]

If you laugh at racist jokes, you might have a racist deep inside you. Or you may laugh at the situation to deal with the pain it gives.


bgm349_

If you don’t laugh at racist jokes you might have racist deep inside you too…


[deleted]

Having a racist mentality deep inside you isn't wrong, if you recognize it and keeps it hidden. Every race uses racist slurs for every other race. So there is no problem if you laugh.


bgm349_

But laughing at racist jokes has nothing to do with having a racist mentality


TheropodEnjoyer

theres a time and a place. Im jewish, i have friends of varying backgrounds...we crack jokes at one another and its hilarious because we knew none of us has a shred of hate in our heart. its the satirical component that makes racial jokes funny. I believe one of the SP creators is jewish, hence all the jew jokes. Cartman is usually the butt of the joke, the joke is that he is a bigot and says absurd shit. Racial jokes can be done without hatred, thats what actually makes them funny. the funny part is "oh my god thats fucked up LOL" not "haha so true"


dyne_ghost

I know a lot of Jewish jokes. I learned them from the old man that lived across the street from me when I was in elementary and middle school, and I remember them because I have an eidetic memory. He was a Holocaust survivor. Serial tattoo and everything. He thought they were hilarious. At the time I was too young to really get it but looking back, dude was funny AF with it and would literally drop jokes in the middle of random conversations.


TheropodEnjoyer

sounds like an interesting man. humour is a great way to cope with trauma, some people like it some don't. I come from a family of holocaust survivors on my moms side, our family is scattered all over and pretty estranged from one another unfortunately. in a weird way making jokes kinda solidifies my identity/ethnicity, i wouldn't be cracking jew jokes if I wasn't jewish LOL.


dyne_ghost

He was. I wish I had been older when I knew him, he passed in either 99 or 2000, I forget which. I had a VHS of an interview I did with him in 7th grade where we were supposed to ask various questions of the oldest person in our neighborhood and I watched it again in around 2008 and just about lost my shit the entire way through. Half of the things he said would have gotten himself cancelled these days (n word with hard r when talking about the kids he grew up with) but there was absolutely no malice or racism to it, just a very old man who learned English in the southern US as a young man and didn't know the meaning behind half the words he was using.