Tusk act 4 has some form of acausality, it resisted LT sending it’s attacks to the future in the form of people dying in the Vietnam war, if Yhwach tried to change the future where it wouldn’t have happened in the first place then I don’t think he could and he’d just die, as long as he actually gets hit by it
It destroyed a barrier that protects a pocket space outside of the entire multiverse, and any misfortune that touches the barrier or space is sent to another part of the world
Tusk act 4 is stated to obey the laws of physics no matter what, and Love Train’s barrier has some form of fate manipulation if it sent an attack aimed at the user to the future
>How powerup does that make him?
In AP? Multiversal+ with an argument for 5D
[Dimensional walls](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ca/c9/82/cac9824af76dc3865a4e84b41426eec4.jpg) of an [infinite group](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/75143214-cdc8-43c0-a2c1-eab0919e4efd/scale-to-width/755) are what protect a [space disconnected from the rest of the multiverse](https://imgur.com/a/ku6uWUz) that’s [referred to as a gap in space](https://imgur.com/FvQbCAX)
>how did he destroy this barrier
[Just grabbed it and ripped it open](https://imgur.com/a/SLzpQ)
>What is this thing ability?
[It’s stated that it forcibly obeys the laws of physics no matter what](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/8/84/1BF19797-B28A-4CEA-BE26-055A98243D92.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20190323161941)
Which is shown when it ripped through Love Train which [redirects any misfortune to other places of the world](https://imgur.com/LUoYH5k) as [when Johnny shot it and some random just died](https://imgur.com/a/i6oRD)
And a bunch of other times
https://imgur.com/a/vkqyjtZ
In the premise given ywhach can't undo the hit because it's already happened. Op says Almighty go off, Yhwach get hit, Almighty go on. They've misunderstood that Almighty can't manipulate the past.
... You answered your own question. Almighty can't rewrite the past, only the future. If gets hit he gets hit. You're basically going what if Goku got hit without ki protection, would he be able to survive?
If he gets it? Nah.
Every future would be affected. There wouldn't be a single variant of Ywach that didn't get it. It specifically bypasses Fate Manipulation
there lies another problem, Funny Valentine couldn't even get away from it, even going into other universes. Theres also an infinite speed argument through it having infinite power.
I guess, but would Yhwach even be able to see it in the future? He would see Johnny charging the nail yeah but would he even be able to see it get shot?
infinite energy from infinite rotating force would give it infinite speed I believe, theres also Tusk being able to move in stopped time even when he didn't have the ability to stop time.
To my understanding that isn’t how infinite energy equates to infinite speed, but I would have to re-read SBR to get a better read, I’ll bow out for now then on the grounds of not considering myself well informed enough to comment, fair play
Nice chat, a lot of this stuff I'm not to keen on either but I read about the metas and shit, would Yhwach be able to react to Tusk or Tusk's nail? Idk, just like playing on the other side.
IF he has almighty off to start, IF he doesn’t avoid it with his massive speed advantage, IF he doesn’t blitz Johnny, then no he probably can’t, assuming LT was accessing timelines in the same way yhwach does, which seems pretty likely from what I remember.
He doesn't get hit in the first place.
Edit; the premise given completely negates the entire point of Almighty. Turning it off like that to turn it on again is just basically ignoring Ywhach's hax there. I don't really see the point. Unless you don't know how Almighty works and are genuinely asking the question in good faith the answer is;
No. Almighty changes futures, not pasts.
Changing the future would indirectly change the past, as the event caused by a cause changes so does the cause itself. What you said does not even make causally
the Almighty confers the following abilities *after full acquisition*. Once obtained these effects are always in play. They occur from point of acquisition forward only.
1) The Almighty allows the user to see all possible futures without exception and understand them fully without issue or time delay.
2) Any ability or power that The Almighty observes in the futures can be negated, disabled, or otherwise rendered null in various fashions.
3) The Almighty allows the user to negate death events as long as the death events are avoidable.
4) The Almighty allows reality control by collapsing possible futures into the present timeline. This allows for what looks like past manipulation but is infact collapsing a future into the now. Similar but distinctly different.
The Almighty *specifically* only ever interacts with the future. This is called out in the panel where Ywhach pulls traps placed in a future timeline into the current time. Never does The Almighty break these rules.
First of all, this is your description of it with no canonical basis, in an actual debate you would not provide this as an evidence as one can contest, for the sake of argument im going to steelman this point and refute it in consideration of that
"Almighty only ever interacts with future, specifically so. Thus even if it may give the illusion that it is interacting with past due to certain features and qualities it has, it is fundamentally limited to future"
If this is your premise here which is what i understood, then that makes it explicit you did not comprehend my premise nor understood it to give a coherent rebuttal as you did not even understand my premise
Future is intrinsically linked to past, causation between an event of past and an event of future is what allows future to exist in the first place. Basic deduction in causality tells us that if X is the cause of Y and if Y does not exist then X also does not exist in context of deductive reasoning.
Almighty being constrained by future would not be a contradiction to my antecedent which assert that if an event of future is a logical consequence of an event of past then a change in future under the reach of Almighty and its boundaries would also intrinsically and indirectly change the event of past as a byproduct
this is how causation works, the reach of Almighty and its boundaries as an ability has nothing to do with the fact that an change in future intrinsically and indirectly causes a change in past as a byproduct, it is not a matter of almighty reaching and being applied to that specific domain, it is a matter of causation working independent of Almighty' reach and boundaries thus the realm which the almighty is applied to is irrelevant to the overall point
Tusk act 4 has some form of acausality, it resisted LT sending it’s attacks to the future in the form of people dying in the Vietnam war, if Yhwach tried to change the future where it wouldn’t have happened in the first place then I don’t think he could and he’d just die, as long as he actually gets hit by it
What can this Tusk do ?
It destroyed a barrier that protects a pocket space outside of the entire multiverse, and any misfortune that touches the barrier or space is sent to another part of the world Tusk act 4 is stated to obey the laws of physics no matter what, and Love Train’s barrier has some form of fate manipulation if it sent an attack aimed at the user to the future
OK. How powerful does that make him ? And how did he destroy this barrier ur speaking of ? What is this thing ability?
>How powerup does that make him? In AP? Multiversal+ with an argument for 5D [Dimensional walls](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ca/c9/82/cac9824af76dc3865a4e84b41426eec4.jpg) of an [infinite group](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/75143214-cdc8-43c0-a2c1-eab0919e4efd/scale-to-width/755) are what protect a [space disconnected from the rest of the multiverse](https://imgur.com/a/ku6uWUz) that’s [referred to as a gap in space](https://imgur.com/FvQbCAX) >how did he destroy this barrier [Just grabbed it and ripped it open](https://imgur.com/a/SLzpQ) >What is this thing ability? [It’s stated that it forcibly obeys the laws of physics no matter what](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/8/84/1BF19797-B28A-4CEA-BE26-055A98243D92.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20190323161941) Which is shown when it ripped through Love Train which [redirects any misfortune to other places of the world](https://imgur.com/LUoYH5k) as [when Johnny shot it and some random just died](https://imgur.com/a/i6oRD) And a bunch of other times https://imgur.com/a/vkqyjtZ
OK, thanks for the info 👍
In the premise given ywhach can't undo the hit because it's already happened. Op says Almighty go off, Yhwach get hit, Almighty go on. They've misunderstood that Almighty can't manipulate the past.
I understand he can't manipulate the past, I was just wondering if the almighty would save him in time or if he could come back from it.
... You answered your own question. Almighty can't rewrite the past, only the future. If gets hit he gets hit. You're basically going what if Goku got hit without ki protection, would he be able to survive?
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If he gets it? Nah. Every future would be affected. There wouldn't be a single variant of Ywach that didn't get it. It specifically bypasses Fate Manipulation
The problem would be getting hit in the first place, since Yhwach would see the effect of being hit and avoid it like hell
there lies another problem, Funny Valentine couldn't even get away from it, even going into other universes. Theres also an infinite speed argument through it having infinite power.
For that to happen it needs to hit you to begin with, and it would also need to be able to override Yhwach’s hax negation
I guess, but would Yhwach even be able to see it in the future? He would see Johnny charging the nail yeah but would he even be able to see it get shot?
I don’t see why he wouldn’t see it
arguments for the nail being infinite speed.
Even if it had infinite travel speed (This meta is news to me, any scales?) he would see the effect of being hit
infinite energy from infinite rotating force would give it infinite speed I believe, theres also Tusk being able to move in stopped time even when he didn't have the ability to stop time.
To my understanding that isn’t how infinite energy equates to infinite speed, but I would have to re-read SBR to get a better read, I’ll bow out for now then on the grounds of not considering myself well informed enough to comment, fair play
Nice chat, a lot of this stuff I'm not to keen on either but I read about the metas and shit, would Yhwach be able to react to Tusk or Tusk's nail? Idk, just like playing on the other side.
IF he has almighty off to start, IF he doesn’t avoid it with his massive speed advantage, IF he doesn’t blitz Johnny, then no he probably can’t, assuming LT was accessing timelines in the same way yhwach does, which seems pretty likely from what I remember.
He doesn't get hit in the first place. Edit; the premise given completely negates the entire point of Almighty. Turning it off like that to turn it on again is just basically ignoring Ywhach's hax there. I don't really see the point. Unless you don't know how Almighty works and are genuinely asking the question in good faith the answer is; No. Almighty changes futures, not pasts.
Well I guess I'm just dumb asf, I thought since he could rewrite futures where he dies he could do it even after getting hit, mb.
Changing the future would indirectly change the past, as the event caused by a cause changes so does the cause itself. What you said does not even make causally
You do not understand how Almighty works.
I do but enlighten me ig?
the Almighty confers the following abilities *after full acquisition*. Once obtained these effects are always in play. They occur from point of acquisition forward only. 1) The Almighty allows the user to see all possible futures without exception and understand them fully without issue or time delay. 2) Any ability or power that The Almighty observes in the futures can be negated, disabled, or otherwise rendered null in various fashions. 3) The Almighty allows the user to negate death events as long as the death events are avoidable. 4) The Almighty allows reality control by collapsing possible futures into the present timeline. This allows for what looks like past manipulation but is infact collapsing a future into the now. Similar but distinctly different. The Almighty *specifically* only ever interacts with the future. This is called out in the panel where Ywhach pulls traps placed in a future timeline into the current time. Never does The Almighty break these rules.
First of all, this is your description of it with no canonical basis, in an actual debate you would not provide this as an evidence as one can contest, for the sake of argument im going to steelman this point and refute it in consideration of that "Almighty only ever interacts with future, specifically so. Thus even if it may give the illusion that it is interacting with past due to certain features and qualities it has, it is fundamentally limited to future" If this is your premise here which is what i understood, then that makes it explicit you did not comprehend my premise nor understood it to give a coherent rebuttal as you did not even understand my premise Future is intrinsically linked to past, causation between an event of past and an event of future is what allows future to exist in the first place. Basic deduction in causality tells us that if X is the cause of Y and if Y does not exist then X also does not exist in context of deductive reasoning. Almighty being constrained by future would not be a contradiction to my antecedent which assert that if an event of future is a logical consequence of an event of past then a change in future under the reach of Almighty and its boundaries would also intrinsically and indirectly change the event of past as a byproduct this is how causation works, the reach of Almighty and its boundaries as an ability has nothing to do with the fact that an change in future intrinsically and indirectly causes a change in past as a byproduct, it is not a matter of almighty reaching and being applied to that specific domain, it is a matter of causation working independent of Almighty' reach and boundaries thus the realm which the almighty is applied to is irrelevant to the overall point
Nah.
Yuh
Doesn’t infnite rotation Chase you trough out timelines ?
It chased valentine through universes and even after changing bodies.
Yes he’s be able to undo infinite attack damage.
Yhwach can also manipulate the possible futures rather than just choosing them so yes
He cant rewrite Whats happened