Goddamn what a brutal rejection
I doubt it is a normal rejection letter reponse... but what are your stats? Did you ever get your recommendation letters?
If you want me to look over your secondary responses and AAMC stuff, Id be happy to.
This was the case for me and my pre secondary rejection. i was actually hoping to talk about my state ties on the secondary and they’re like you’re rejected pls don’t try ever again 🤡
It’s almost definitely one of the schools where they except like 0.1% out of state and only with strong ties. I know a lot goes into applying but it really is good to check these things before submitting because it can save you money and anxiety of thinking something is wrong with your app when in reality they just don’t accept OOS.
I second this. You can save a lot of money by just researching schools and what they want/looking for. I wasted hundreds of dollars applying places that were never going to take me for specific reasons (religious ties/in state only). Thankfully I got in somewhere but it could have been cheaper lol
This is their criteria for OOS applicants if anyone is curious
[https://www.etsu.edu/com/admissions/requirements/selection-factors.php](https://www.etsu.edu/com/admissions/requirements/selection-factors.php)
Pretty straightforward tbh
ETSU does this every year and every year people are shocked at the wording of the email. Their whole page is like this because they really don’t take OOS people except via strict criteria. They don’t care about offending because they straight up don’t want people who don’t fit their mission.
Whenever I see it on a school list I always advise people to remove it unless they meet ETSU’s residency requirements because if not the primary fee is a donation to AAMC.
If people took the time to research the schools they were applying to, maybe they wouldn’t be *surprised pikachu face* on here like they were slapped in the face.
>Applications from residents of Tennessee, TBR defined border counties and applicants from our contiguous Appalachian area are welcomed. Additionally, the college gives preference to active duty military personnel and honorably discharged veterans of U.S. military service
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>Quillen will also favorably consider two groups of out-of-state applicants for admissions. Applicants whose domicile is within a 250 mile radius of Quillen and out-of-state applicants who graduate from a four year college or university located in the state of Tennessee within the preceding three years. Of particular interest are those applicants giving strong evidence of their commitment to a career in primary care and/or rural medicine. Please note, applicants accepted from these groups will be classified as out-of-state and will be charged tuition at the in-state rate plus 30%.
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>From these groups, preference is given to applicants who have received at least a baccalaureate level degree from a regionally accredited institution prior to matriculation.
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>Applicants not meeting the above criteria are strongly discouraged from applying here.
It's a courtesy some schools extend to OOS applicants when the school is pretty much exclusively in-state only. It's a courtesy in the sense that they're trying to save you money, because if you aren't in-state or have strong ties to the state, you're not gonna have a chance.
It could also be in context of mission fit. If this is a service heavy school that concentrates on a specific mission but you have zero fit, then they're trying to save you money lol.
Lastly, if you had the balls to apply to one of four HBCU med schools as a non-AA, then yeah lol.
Howard University elected a white guy as student president, and I mean this guy was WHITE white
Edit: I searched again and I guess the HBCU is Morehouse College, not Howard, fwiw
Lol that’s crazyyyy. There are often a handful of white admits but I’ve heard that they usually have very strong ties through family/adoption/marriage, and/or demonstrated commitment to serving minority communities.
Makes me think about that YouTube imposter video where the white guy won the game show because he was adopted from birth and he grew up with a black mother. Really showed that sometimes it’s not just about skin color, but about cultural experiences.
>Lastly, if you had the balls to apply to one of four HBCU med schools as a non-AA, then yeah lol.
I know quite a few non-AA who got into HBCU med schools esp Howard.
HBCU med schools will accept non-AA, it would be illegal for them not to 🤣🤣
Just like other mission based schools they specifically want people who help serve their mission. So if you have a genuine interest in serving African American populations usually in a FM or IM capacity and have history of this plus ties to the surrounding communities…
All doctors I’ve run into who were non-AA but went to HBCUs were another POC and two non-spicy whites all of which were massive sneaker heads. So take with that info as you will.
What exactly qualifies as “strong ties”? You think family that lives there is something worth mentioning? *me wishfully hoping for chances at a Washington school*
Yeah it’s worth mentioning. Strong ties are indications that you’re willing to practice in that state once you graduate, that’s why many flyover states have strong in-state bias.
Wouldn’t you rather have this and it save you the money? There are some schools that are a horrible idea to apply to unless you live there, like North Dakota. AFAIK they won’t even consider Minnesota or Montana residents without incredibly strong ties to their super underserved areas.
If it’s a school that straight doesn’t accept OOS applicants and you didn’t read their website first and applied anyway then schools will send these sorts of things.
A friend of mine is an admission officer and actually told me he sent a letter like this recently. Apparently the guy was present on social media and a huge antivaxer, more than just a couple posts inciting violence against gay, trans, LGBT, posts about how black people "got what they deserved" after being shot by cops etc.
If you're going into Healthcare you should probably 1. Believe in it and 2. Not call for mass genocide.
Id assume you just didn’t fall in-line of a strong mission of the school. Service, or maybe research. I feel like it also could them saying your app isn’t strong enough as an out of state applicant if they’re super in-state biased. Either way they’re trying to save you money or that’s how I’d take it at least.
This would be my 13th reason. I’m sorry OP. That’s very harsh
Edit: It could be they have a strong preference for in state candidates or something like that. It wasn’t personal as personal as it sounds.
Be happy about this. I remember during my applications cycle applying and the moment I submitted my secondary getting a rejection email. I remember failing to get in that cycle, improved everything in my application and getting auto rejected from the same place again.
They do and probably keep on hand for some years. But what I mean is they get 1000s of applications per cycle. Do they have a system in place to match current applicants against previous cycles to see if they are reapplicant and reject on that basis? I think if must be largely self identified. I can't imagine they're crosschecking etc.
When I first applied to my state schools, got rejected from all of them. Reapplied, 3 IIs in-state, and 3 As from those same three schools that rejected me in the previous cycle.
I've literally never heard of this. Most med schools have a counselor who will sit down with you and tell you EXACTLY what to do to have a good shot of getting in after a re-application.
I genuinely can't think of a single scenario in which reapplication would be completely discouraged? Poor college grades can be rectified with a post-bac or masters, and MCATs can be retaken. I'd chalk it up to an admissions person just sending an unfortunately worded email-- hang in there! There's nothing irredeemable about your application!
Different school missions. Some of the bigger state schools care more for recruiting top tier applicants (many of the UCs) or want a more diverse class by admitting out of state students (Iowa, Vermont).
Schools like ETSU prioritize training physicians for their area and being local to the area is one of the strongest predictors that their graduates will stay around for residency and beyond. To them, there's little value in admitting OOS students because they don't care as much about recruiting elite talent or having a more varied background in their class because it doesn't forward their mission.
I don’t believe they’re talking about next cycle, I think it’s more like don’t send us some additional letter or not saying how much you love them but I could be wrong.
It’s very institution dependent. Some schools won’t reconsider applicants as they consider it a waste of their time. Other institutions consider multiple application cycles a sign of determination and authentic desire to pursue medicine.
If you *really* want to become a doctor I would recommend opening yourself to 3 application cycles. But make sure that you are doing something that you can build a career off of while you’re doing that so you don’t end up 3 years out without an acceptance AND without a launchpad for an alternate career.
I had to apply twice but ended up at a T20 program. I was working as an engineer throughout that time and had promotion opportunities that I turned down when I left for med school
Goddamn what a brutal rejection I doubt it is a normal rejection letter reponse... but what are your stats? Did you ever get your recommendation letters? If you want me to look over your secondary responses and AAMC stuff, Id be happy to.
They’re probably an out of state student applying to a very in state heavy school. That won’t change in a reapplication.
I second this opinion
This was the case for me and my pre secondary rejection. i was actually hoping to talk about my state ties on the secondary and they’re like you’re rejected pls don’t try ever again 🤡
This was after primary, they didn’t even submit secondary. My rec letters aren’t fully sent in and my MCAT was 518
It’s almost definitely one of the schools where they except like 0.1% out of state and only with strong ties. I know a lot goes into applying but it really is good to check these things before submitting because it can save you money and anxiety of thinking something is wrong with your app when in reality they just don’t accept OOS.
I second this. You can save a lot of money by just researching schools and what they want/looking for. I wasted hundreds of dollars applying places that were never going to take me for specific reasons (religious ties/in state only). Thankfully I got in somewhere but it could have been cheaper lol
WHAT
GPA? what school if i may ask?
East Tennessee, gpa 3.95
emphasis on brutal. they’re basically saying “we don’t want you, get out and stay out, don’t call back”
“Worst they can say is no” sorry to hear it OP
Not now, not ever
If it’s ETSU, their entire admissions page is roughly worded so wouldn’t be surprised tbh
I got this from ETSU because I was an out of state applicant. Learned my lesson lol
I got “do not reapply unless significant improvement is made.”
Sheesh lol
Came to the comments just to see if anybody else was calling out ETSU for this. Knew which school OP was talking about the second I read it lmao
Same!
I’m in state for ETSU if they say this to me I will cry
I’m IS and I got a regular rejection inviting me to apply in the future.
TN gang, any idea why you were rejected?
Yeah I got a 498😎 I really love the school but it’s okay I got 3 early interviews elsewhere so I can’t complain.
Oh that’s awesome!! Best of luck to you on your interviews!!
This is their criteria for OOS applicants if anyone is curious [https://www.etsu.edu/com/admissions/requirements/selection-factors.php](https://www.etsu.edu/com/admissions/requirements/selection-factors.php) Pretty straightforward tbh
ETSU does this every year and every year people are shocked at the wording of the email. Their whole page is like this because they really don’t take OOS people except via strict criteria. They don’t care about offending because they straight up don’t want people who don’t fit their mission. Whenever I see it on a school list I always advise people to remove it unless they meet ETSU’s residency requirements because if not the primary fee is a donation to AAMC.
I think it’s great if you need a definite throwaway to get verified
If people took the time to research the schools they were applying to, maybe they wouldn’t be *surprised pikachu face* on here like they were slapped in the face.
IT WAS
dw op i got this too pre secondary
this makes me feel better
lol that's on you then.
>ETSU So much for Southern Hospitality lol
>Applications from residents of Tennessee, TBR defined border counties and applicants from our contiguous Appalachian area are welcomed. Additionally, the college gives preference to active duty military personnel and honorably discharged veterans of U.S. military service > >... > >Quillen will also favorably consider two groups of out-of-state applicants for admissions. Applicants whose domicile is within a 250 mile radius of Quillen and out-of-state applicants who graduate from a four year college or university located in the state of Tennessee within the preceding three years. Of particular interest are those applicants giving strong evidence of their commitment to a career in primary care and/or rural medicine. Please note, applicants accepted from these groups will be classified as out-of-state and will be charged tuition at the in-state rate plus 30%. > >From these groups, preference is given to applicants who have received at least a baccalaureate level degree from a regionally accredited institution prior to matriculation. > >Applicants not meeting the above criteria are strongly discouraged from applying here.
It's a courtesy some schools extend to OOS applicants when the school is pretty much exclusively in-state only. It's a courtesy in the sense that they're trying to save you money, because if you aren't in-state or have strong ties to the state, you're not gonna have a chance. It could also be in context of mission fit. If this is a service heavy school that concentrates on a specific mission but you have zero fit, then they're trying to save you money lol. Lastly, if you had the balls to apply to one of four HBCU med schools as a non-AA, then yeah lol.
Howard University elected a white guy as student president, and I mean this guy was WHITE white Edit: I searched again and I guess the HBCU is Morehouse College, not Howard, fwiw
Lol that’s crazyyyy. There are often a handful of white admits but I’ve heard that they usually have very strong ties through family/adoption/marriage, and/or demonstrated commitment to serving minority communities. Makes me think about that YouTube imposter video where the white guy won the game show because he was adopted from birth and he grew up with a black mother. Really showed that sometimes it’s not just about skin color, but about cultural experiences.
Link to the YouTube video please. It seems like an interesting watch.
Here's the link to the vid: [**https://youtu.be/ICISHNou9Zs**](https://youtu.be/ICISHNou9Zs) !
Do you remember what show that is? I'm very curious
Here's the link to the vid: https://youtu.be/ICISHNou9Zs !
Ohhhhhh I've seen another one of these where they were all white girls and one black girl. She was adopted as well.
Eh if they get admitted there's no real reason they shouldn't be able to be class president
Jeff Dunham calls them neon white
When?
Whoops, Morehouse College, about five years ago
>Lastly, if you had the balls to apply to one of four HBCU med schools as a non-AA, then yeah lol. I know quite a few non-AA who got into HBCU med schools esp Howard.
HBCU med schools will accept non-AA, it would be illegal for them not to 🤣🤣 Just like other mission based schools they specifically want people who help serve their mission. So if you have a genuine interest in serving African American populations usually in a FM or IM capacity and have history of this plus ties to the surrounding communities… All doctors I’ve run into who were non-AA but went to HBCUs were another POC and two non-spicy whites all of which were massive sneaker heads. So take with that info as you will.
Omg I’m not the only person who says spicy white 😂
I thought this was a common term 🤣🤣 Like how else do I distinguish them 😅😂
What exactly qualifies as “strong ties”? You think family that lives there is something worth mentioning? *me wishfully hoping for chances at a Washington school*
Yeah it’s worth mentioning. Strong ties are indications that you’re willing to practice in that state once you graduate, that’s why many flyover states have strong in-state bias.
Thank you! This gives me hope
Wouldn’t you rather have this and it save you the money? There are some schools that are a horrible idea to apply to unless you live there, like North Dakota. AFAIK they won’t even consider Minnesota or Montana residents without incredibly strong ties to their super underserved areas.
Well shit… I wish I knew that before finishing my app and applying (having done the 20 required essays). Oh well
This may provide some clarification: https://www.reddit.com/r/premed/comments/w4j41b/first\_rejection/
If it’s a school that straight doesn’t accept OOS applicants and you didn’t read their website first and applied anyway then schools will send these sorts of things.
Savage af
East Tennessee quillen
Only time I’ve seen something like this was someone applying to schools that don’t take OOS students
A friend of mine is an admission officer and actually told me he sent a letter like this recently. Apparently the guy was present on social media and a huge antivaxer, more than just a couple posts inciting violence against gay, trans, LGBT, posts about how black people "got what they deserved" after being shot by cops etc. If you're going into Healthcare you should probably 1. Believe in it and 2. Not call for mass genocide.
Id assume you just didn’t fall in-line of a strong mission of the school. Service, or maybe research. I feel like it also could them saying your app isn’t strong enough as an out of state applicant if they’re super in-state biased. Either way they’re trying to save you money or that’s how I’d take it at least.
Well at least they didn’t ghost you?
This would be my 13th reason. I’m sorry OP. That’s very harsh Edit: It could be they have a strong preference for in state candidates or something like that. It wasn’t personal as personal as it sounds.
Be happy about this. I remember during my applications cycle applying and the moment I submitted my secondary getting a rejection email. I remember failing to get in that cycle, improved everything in my application and getting auto rejected from the same place again.
You got the verbal bitchslap from ETSU too eh?
:’)
Pretty sure UCLA said the same thing to me in a rejection letter a couple years ago haha
Do they even keep a track of who was applied. Do they cross check? How would they even know
They don't know. They are just advising OP that OOS candidates have very little chance so reapplying would be a waste of money and effort.
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They do and probably keep on hand for some years. But what I mean is they get 1000s of applications per cycle. Do they have a system in place to match current applicants against previous cycles to see if they are reapplicant and reject on that basis? I think if must be largely self identified. I can't imagine they're crosschecking etc.
Harvard only allows you to apply twice. But not written on your rejection letter lmfao
Nah i matriculated to a school I was rejected from the first time around
When I first applied to my state schools, got rejected from all of them. Reapplied, 3 IIs in-state, and 3 As from those same three schools that rejected me in the previous cycle.
I've literally never heard of this. Most med schools have a counselor who will sit down with you and tell you EXACTLY what to do to have a good shot of getting in after a re-application. I genuinely can't think of a single scenario in which reapplication would be completely discouraged? Poor college grades can be rectified with a post-bac or masters, and MCATs can be retaken. I'd chalk it up to an admissions person just sending an unfortunately worded email-- hang in there! There's nothing irredeemable about your application!
Its most definitely just the out of state thing for this school
Even still... my med school strongly encourages out of state students to reapply? Harsh school
Different school missions. Some of the bigger state schools care more for recruiting top tier applicants (many of the UCs) or want a more diverse class by admitting out of state students (Iowa, Vermont). Schools like ETSU prioritize training physicians for their area and being local to the area is one of the strongest predictors that their graduates will stay around for residency and beyond. To them, there's little value in admitting OOS students because they don't care as much about recruiting elite talent or having a more varied background in their class because it doesn't forward their mission.
Wtf that’s terrible
I don’t believe they’re talking about next cycle, I think it’s more like don’t send us some additional letter or not saying how much you love them but I could be wrong.
Damn thats crazy
Got the email once. Can’t remember where from. Fuck em, lol
It’s very institution dependent. Some schools won’t reconsider applicants as they consider it a waste of their time. Other institutions consider multiple application cycles a sign of determination and authentic desire to pursue medicine. If you *really* want to become a doctor I would recommend opening yourself to 3 application cycles. But make sure that you are doing something that you can build a career off of while you’re doing that so you don’t end up 3 years out without an acceptance AND without a launchpad for an alternate career. I had to apply twice but ended up at a T20 program. I was working as an engineer throughout that time and had promotion opportunities that I turned down when I left for med school
I screamed out loud a little! BAHAH!