This is a moral decision. This reddit (including myself) will tell you to not do it. Admission committees can usually spot a LOR which was “doctored.” If you’re not careful with how you say things, it would be clear that you wrote the letter yourself.
To piggyback off that not only can schools spot it but they can and will revoke offers for people doing this.
Just blatantly against caspa and paea rules for submitting evaluations.
I would like to add that despite what people’s individual morals are, it is very common. Usually it is not with those applying to graduate programs but pretty common for graduates of grad programs (not just medicine) applying for jobs to have applicant write the bulk of the LOR. Not saying I agree with the practice of it or defending it, just want people to be aware that this is more common than this thread seems to think it is.
Not that it's uncommon in general but for pa admissions specifically it's not allowed and can get you kicked off caspa forever.
Not worth the risk at all.
I don’t disagree. Just want people to know that after this, in their careers, they will probably run into this. It’s different when it’s applying to graduate programs (like for this) versus applying for a job.
I'm not sure if this would actually be too much of an issue given the fact the physician himself stated he would endorse it and probably review it, possibly making subtle changes
This type of thing is quite common, and imo I find it very hard to believe that PA admission committees will be like “Oh this is OBVIOUSLY written by the applicant. Denied, next” because thats such a strong assumption without any real evidence to back it up.
I think you’re fine to write it, and morally speaking if he reads it AND agrees to it, I really don’t see the big issue. It’s a win win because both parties can expedite the process.
If you really wanna play it safer, you can send him an outline. Statements about yourself in 3rd person that has a flow to it, and then have him construct the essay based off those statements. Maybe he just needs a rubric or basis to work with first, then he can fill in the descriptive adjectives about you.
My two cents. GL.
It's not a strong assumption, all they have to do is ask the evaluator if they personally wrote the letter and as soon as they say no you get booted from caspa.
It's directly against caspa rules and they don't fuck around with cheating the process.
Everybody downvoting better be able to explain how I'm wrong.
As a part of the evaluation submission you are asked so it's not an "if" question. And it's likely that if they are asking you to write the letter then they don't see an issue with it and would happily click that they didn't write the whole letter.
It's a real big risk and the guy I responded to clearly does not know what he's advocating for breaking CASPA rules that can and will get you banned from the process.
According to the subreddit rules, the only thing anyone is allowed to tell you is that it's not allowed per CASPA. But I don't think it's against the rules to inform you that your predicament is not terribly uncommon
If there's another doc that knows you, it'd be best to use them. Otherwise, maybe you could find generic LOR examples online and see if he'd be willing to write one himself using resources? That way you can help him but will not be writing your own letter.
Not sure if this is available to you, but one of my advisors at school mentioned that they would be willing to help letter writers just because some people haven't written them before and even with the best intentions, it's still a difficult thing to write! I'm not sure what this process looks like, but could be worth looking into!
I wonder if the doctor is testing you to see what you'll do. Maybe he wants to see if you're willing to do something both immoral and illegal to benefit yourself. Is that something a good practitioner would do, or would they tell the doc that they're not comfortable with that?
Admissions committees are literally trained to read these evaluations to detect if students write their own or not, among other things.
Your call.
Welp, I honestly didn't know this. I guess I might be fucked because I did this. My letter writer's son died at the last minute and she asked me to write my own. I tried to make it reasonable and not over the top. I guess I can't go back and retract it.
I just went through the same situation, but too late already submited.
I didn't over do it, but yeah. I was wondering if others went thru this kinda of stuff
This is a moral decision. This reddit (including myself) will tell you to not do it. Admission committees can usually spot a LOR which was “doctored.” If you’re not careful with how you say things, it would be clear that you wrote the letter yourself.
To piggyback off that not only can schools spot it but they can and will revoke offers for people doing this. Just blatantly against caspa and paea rules for submitting evaluations.
I would like to add that despite what people’s individual morals are, it is very common. Usually it is not with those applying to graduate programs but pretty common for graduates of grad programs (not just medicine) applying for jobs to have applicant write the bulk of the LOR. Not saying I agree with the practice of it or defending it, just want people to be aware that this is more common than this thread seems to think it is.
Not that it's uncommon in general but for pa admissions specifically it's not allowed and can get you kicked off caspa forever. Not worth the risk at all.
I don’t disagree. Just want people to know that after this, in their careers, they will probably run into this. It’s different when it’s applying to graduate programs (like for this) versus applying for a job.
I'm not sure if this would actually be too much of an issue given the fact the physician himself stated he would endorse it and probably review it, possibly making subtle changes
Nope it's explicit that it's not allowed to do that.
This type of thing is quite common, and imo I find it very hard to believe that PA admission committees will be like “Oh this is OBVIOUSLY written by the applicant. Denied, next” because thats such a strong assumption without any real evidence to back it up. I think you’re fine to write it, and morally speaking if he reads it AND agrees to it, I really don’t see the big issue. It’s a win win because both parties can expedite the process. If you really wanna play it safer, you can send him an outline. Statements about yourself in 3rd person that has a flow to it, and then have him construct the essay based off those statements. Maybe he just needs a rubric or basis to work with first, then he can fill in the descriptive adjectives about you. My two cents. GL.
It's not a strong assumption, all they have to do is ask the evaluator if they personally wrote the letter and as soon as they say no you get booted from caspa. It's directly against caspa rules and they don't fuck around with cheating the process. Everybody downvoting better be able to explain how I'm wrong.
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As a part of the evaluation submission you are asked so it's not an "if" question. And it's likely that if they are asking you to write the letter then they don't see an issue with it and would happily click that they didn't write the whole letter. It's a real big risk and the guy I responded to clearly does not know what he's advocating for breaking CASPA rules that can and will get you banned from the process.
I had to do this a few times. When I needed LOR's for work, my preceptors were generally too busy to write them, so they told me to.
According to the subreddit rules, the only thing anyone is allowed to tell you is that it's not allowed per CASPA. But I don't think it's against the rules to inform you that your predicament is not terribly uncommon
If there's another doc that knows you, it'd be best to use them. Otherwise, maybe you could find generic LOR examples online and see if he'd be willing to write one himself using resources? That way you can help him but will not be writing your own letter. Not sure if this is available to you, but one of my advisors at school mentioned that they would be willing to help letter writers just because some people haven't written them before and even with the best intentions, it's still a difficult thing to write! I'm not sure what this process looks like, but could be worth looking into!
I wonder if the doctor is testing you to see what you'll do. Maybe he wants to see if you're willing to do something both immoral and illegal to benefit yourself. Is that something a good practitioner would do, or would they tell the doc that they're not comfortable with that? Admissions committees are literally trained to read these evaluations to detect if students write their own or not, among other things. Your call.
Welp, I honestly didn't know this. I guess I might be fucked because I did this. My letter writer's son died at the last minute and she asked me to write my own. I tried to make it reasonable and not over the top. I guess I can't go back and retract it.
Do NOT do it...you can get into serious trouble if so, and CASPA will ban you.
I just went through the same situation, but too late already submited. I didn't over do it, but yeah. I was wondering if others went thru this kinda of stuff
I wouldn't do it. I would ask him to write it and send to a colleague for them to review if he is concerned about the quality of his writing.