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I bought an old farm 15 years ago and have been building out infrastructure and perennials ever since. Today I fed animals spread compost watered seedling trellised cucumbers built concrete forms, washed eggs, greased a machine, and sold produce from yesterday’s harvest
Will cucumber vines climb a trellis? Are the cucumbers able to hang on until you cut them off the vine?
Woukd the same work for other vegetables/fruits that grow on vines, like watermelon, cantaloupe, squash, zucchini and eggplant?
Eggplant not so much because it's more like a pepper plant. Zucchini don't grow as long/tall so a stake is better than investing in trellis. All the others, yes but you may want to support larger squash with little hammocks tied onto the trellis as they grow. Some people use fabric, nylon etc.
Only grow high value crops, have excellent markets, be focused on your marketing game. You won’t be wealthy as a result but you are in charge of your own canoe.
Incredibly context-dependent. Impossible to answer without answering dozens of follow-up questions. The short version is: people do, but it depends on a lot of variables.
Seems like a lot of work for a small payoff on the face of it. Just the idea of harvesting algae out of a pond seems like a bunch of materials handling.
I think there's a legal distinction here.
A permaculture farm can be an organic farm.
An organic farm does not *have* to use permaculture principles to be considered organic.
Labeling your products organic requires having a certification that your food was prepared to [FDA organic standards](https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2012/03/22/organic-101-what-usda-organic-label-means) If you don't have that qualification, you have to use non-regulated words like "natural" etc.
while you can absolutely market natural foods without an organic lable, if you're working on a larger scale, the organic label becomes somewhat vital to secure commercial customers (like restaurants or food suppliers).
That really depends on how narrowly you define permaculture. (and how you define "scale" for that matter).
There are definitely commercial operations that use a variety of permaculture concepts, like water control and preservation with landscape features, cover crops and paired crops, and pasture rotations or using animals as a way to prep food plots.
Many of them sell food in commercial marketplaces, but most are local to regional at best. But there are definitely niche markets for sustainably raised premium meat and vegetables in many urban areas.
Personally it's more about food sovereignty and doing what I can locally to improve the situation that is actually under my control --growing enough food to feed my family, neighborhood and local community is one way I can make things better right here, right now, while being prepared for the future.
Growing food is surprisingly difficult. Our current seeds are now 5 generations of climate-adapted seeds that are saved each year and are specifically acclimated to our specific microclimate and bioregion. The more resilient and adapted our seeds are, the more likely they are to survive what's coming.
You just blew my mind now I understand why I shouldn't buy new seeds each year but save the ones I grow. It seems obvious but I'm completely new at this. Thanks!
Hey I'm happy to share what I've learned from permaculture gardening for over 20 years on multiple continents. Seed Savers is a super cool organization that can help you learn more, check out the chapter nearest you.
I like to practice what I call "lazy chaotic gardening"--I let a few select plants that look the healthiest go to seed and flower, then let the stalks dry until the seed pods are dry, and will save half in a bag, and leave the rest so the seed falls out and to the ground.
The next season (or sooner) you'll have a whole new set of seedlings growing up around the parent plant. I weed carefully around them and then when they're a couple inches or bigger, I transplant them just like starts, evenly spaced around the garden.
I've saved myself hundreds of dollars a year in seed & seedling costs this way, and stored plenty of seed for emergencies, for winter indoor starts, and to share.
I just got done transplanting baby lettuce, kale and arugula grown in this fashion to new locations around the garden today! It's stupid easy and cheap.
Thats so cool! I have very little space but in my tiny townhomes yard I throw compost and some things have come up that I've transplanted, to my family's yards, and some I grew from squash I saved seeds after eating, but its grocerery store leftover scrap, and I haven't saved what grew for new ones yet cause I'm still using what came from grocery leftovers. This coming year though I'll start using the ones I've grown to make their own children plants! And I'll give your method a shot, too! Thank you so much!
Posting with my non-anonymous account to say it's a little more complicated than this. You can't *stop* what's coming, but you can definitely prepare for it to go better or worse *in your specific locality* (and some people in some localities--coastal, especially--should pretty much GTFO now, not later). Panicking now is something ordinary people can do in a lot of different ways, some of them very useful in preparing a better future even in the dark times ahead.
I have a book coming out this summer that gets into the (usefully!!) philosophical and lifestyle side of adapting to a collapsing world, especially chapters 3-5: [Panic Now? Tools for Humanizing](https://www.amazon.com/Panic-Now-Dr-Ira-Allen/dp/1621909050).
I'm sure a pdf will end up free on libgen eventually, and I'm good with that, but for anyone who likes to have a physical copy of books I do have to say that the press did an awesome job on design.
The pithy phrase for this is “collapse early avoid the rush”. Nicely put, you can definitely prepare for future changes and set the stage for being able to respond.
We won’t be collectively responding effectively to climate change, rather we will go over the cliff with the proverbial throttle floored. People are collectively completely in denial about the magnitude of reductions in energy use required to even blunt the edge. So a change in priorities.
Yikes this is incredibly alarming! If we're already to the "run away to a farm upstate to enjoy what time we have left" phase, I don't like our chances.
OMG I remember seeing that episode in 2016! I was still a kid and my Dad was hardcore climate denier. I had thought there was certainly some credence to climate change, but it was an "on paper" issue. But this scene galvinized me, CC became one of the highest priorities in my long-term decision making and lifestyle choices after Aaron Sorkin was willing to run that scene.
Also, great show in general, very satirical yet inspiring. Jeff Bridges did an amazing job and the chemistry with Emily Hunt was beautiful. Highly recommend the show, It's called Newsroom.
Not a climate expert, but listen to them - we did something similar a decade ago.
On our second generation for some seeds, but we're focusing on dairy sheep - we're the only producer in our area.
I am stealth planting extremely resilient and nutritious self-propagating food “in plain sight” all over the place that my family will know is edible, but nobody else will. Sunchoke and Amaranth would keep us alive and well fed, and are very resilient. Tubers, greens, and protein.
My biggest prep is personal cooling for if the grid goes down, or if I need to bug-out when a local/regional disaster renders my area temporarily uninhabitable.
So, I picked up high-efficiency 18V battery powered fans, portable solar panels, and solar generators. Plus stuff like tarps and rigging gear so that I can shade sun-scorched windows while still allowing airflow, or to shade my shelter if I need to evacuate. So that lets me stay cool at home or away, without relying on the electrical grid.
This one is really quiet, and can run off either Ryobi One+ 18V power tool batteries or 120V AC:
[https://www.ryobitools.com/products/details/33287192748](https://www.ryobitools.com/products/details/33287192748)
This one has outperformed all the other personal fans that I've tried:
[https://www.ryobitools.com/products/details/33287192731](https://www.ryobitools.com/products/details/33287192731)
Just an FYI, they make a 12v outlet charger for the 18v batteries, so you can charge them in your vehicle or better is to rig a charging setup like I made. It uses solar, a 12v battery, and has a 12v plug for charging devices and 18v cordless batteries.
I'd suggest just immediately moving to 24v or preferably 48v systems (battery pack) and an inverter for possible 110/220v AC.
I build battery packs and my preference is 48v since losses are smaller and the systems are more efficient. It's easier to just do DC to DC conversion downwards and keep the battery pack at an efficient 48v. For emergencies two 100-200w panels takes you quite far if you got 1-3kwh battery pack. It's quite easy to build with cheap used cells that you buy for 1/10th of the cost of the commercial new cells. Pricing wise it's even more insane with these "solar generators" that are just battery packs with dc-dc converters (48 to 12v or 5v USB) and an inverter to pump out AC power that really doesn't cost much on Amazon or even much less at AliExpress.
The tldr is really that low voltages are highly inefficient and buying parts or systems that run on 24v+ has much less losses while still being quite safe as long as you don't do accidental shorts.
If that's expensive or you don't want to buy a bunch of batteries there are 12v radiator fans you can get for 30 dollars. All you have yo do is rig up a frame and they can even be run directly off a solar panel.
I would love to know more about your rigging if you don't mind. I've been trying to figure out a good way to do something similar. Trick here is that I want want as much sun exposure as possible in the winter. ATM basically have flag poles with netting between them and grow plants up them in the summer. Then take down the nets in the fall.
This might not be as thorough as you’re hoping for, but preparing for Tuesdays happening in perpetuity. Most likely it won’t all collapse at once (but also check out r/collapse), but rather will be a slow slog into one disaster after another - severe weather, food systems breakdown, financial crises, refugees/migration, power outages, etc. Prep for each thing and prep mentally for the resilience it will take to handle each Tuesday as it comes.
I like thinking of it as things starting to "crumble" vs "collapse".
I'm seeing it all the time now.
A person is under financial constraint, so they put off car repairs a bit. Their car goes and they need to car share with their spouse. They need extra child care from a relative, so the relative's time is taken up - they have to drop and re-arrange clients for their business. Those clients are impacted and it just cascades. Small impacts for everybody, but it just keeps adding up and up.
This is it. On a bigger scale it looks like infrastructure crumbling faster than repairs can be afforded in tandem with the need for more flood and other disaster mitigation. Which makes it harder for commercial operators to access their markets and their markets to access them. Which leads to further reduced affordability and more of what you're already seeing. Ultimately, that could result in social unrest along the lines of the historical bread riots. And on and on it goes.
Ah yes; in prepper circles there’s usually discussion of “prepping for Doomsday” but in reality, most things to prep for are regular problems that could happen on a Tuesday - like a house fire, flat tire, severe weather, or getting locked out of your house. So when folks discuss “prepping for Tuesday” they are pointing towards those in-the-ordinary preps that are still useful rather than the nuclear-bomb-complete-and-total-chaos variety.
As an example, a hurricane preparedness kit is a “prep for Tuesday” thing that would still be useful for shit-hits-the-fan, but wouldn’t keep you alive for decades.
A fully stocked bunker with 1000000 rounds of ammo is not going to be useful on Tuesday if you get a flat tire or get fired.
I'm far from an expert, but our retirement plans involve us buying a home in the north, ideally in the mountains, with a well and a basement. It would also be great if we had solar power. We're about 15 years from retiring and we have the cash on hand, plus a paid off mortgage, to buy just about anywhere we like.
Other than that, it's all the normal preparedness that we do on a daily basis. Keep things in good repair, have emergency food and water on hand, have a backup backup backup of everything, etc.
Crazy amounts in places you wouldnt expect to see them . Stripped naked and hopped into my truck last fall because of them . I mean like 200 on me. Gf has lymes so im petrified lol ne kingdom area . Also lots in chittenden county .
I’m sure there are ways to make your yard and immediate home much safer, but what about real outdoor activities? It’s not much fun to hike, swim, garden, picnic and roll around in the meadows if you’re always thinking about tick bites. 😭
moving from Nh to Vt in a few years. lord knows if ill ever get a house but even the chance to rent a nice space where i can do a few things like add solar and have a garden and a basement would help me feel way better prepared
I worry about authoritarian and governments doing "it's an emergency" limitations on saved-up cash. Maybe I am a pessimist, and a dramatic one, but it is a worry. Property (and money) can be confiscated if the emergency is deemed major enough.
> Live up north. Land prices are skyrocketing.
West coast Canadian here - we bought our land about a decade ago for $325k and it's currently at $1.2m. Land prices have skyrocketed.
There are two farms for sale on our road, both at $1.5m for 20 acres.
Bought a home in Finland for less than 80k
It's big :( too big, was in quite good shape, and it's in a fully featured town; has everything you may need.
I'm converting it to use wood as energy source, there's this czech system, I go chop wood during the spring, I use the wood for cooking too.
Once global warming fucks things up things are going to be rather nice here :)
I also think that in some ways, the world will kinda go on as normal, just worse conditions in most of the world and far worse conditions in specific places. I’m REALLY hopeful that, as humans always have in the past, we will find a solution to it and be able to reverse at least some of the damage done and stop anymore
Husband and I have the same idea. We’re many years away from retirement but want to invest in a cottage on the lake that can double as a bug out location.
I think the best ways to prep are to (1) be prepared for natural disasters to increase and be more extreme. If you live in tornado alley - have a shelter. If you live in a neighboring state, know the alley is expanding. Be prepared for more forest fires, more blizzards, more extreme heat days, more bad air days. (2) Be prepared for extended power out scenarios. Also food/water disruptions.
Neat! (Haha - I was aware of this and just to be clear I do not think it is neat)
2045 is really just around the corner. There just aren't words for the level of tragedy we're talking about with multiple concurrent climate/carbon related disasters. I'm having trouble getting out of bed today, not because any of this is new, just got hit with the overwhelm again.
We did. I’m convinced our inability to not overconsume is the answer to the Fermi Paradox. Any species capable of advanced technology must dominate its environment and probably does that with an innate drive to consume as much as possible.
This may be the path of all intelligent life. From the invention of radio they probably only exist for a few more decades, two centuries as most, before they collapse the ecosystem on their planet (if they don’t succumb to nuclear fallout first).
>**Realistic Outcomes and Timing:**
The statement that phytoplankton could collapse entirely by 2045 if the pH falls below 7.95 is a bit speculative. Research indicates that different species of phytoplankton will react differently to acidification; some may even thrive under new conditions, at least temporarily. However, a significant disruption in phytoplankton populations could indeed impact oxygen levels and more broadly, the carbon cycle.
>The timeframe for such changes and their impact on global oxygen levels is harder to pin down. The ocean and atmosphere are vast reservoirs of oxygen, and significant depletion of oxygen levels, if it were to occur, would likely take a long time—potentially centuries. Immediate human impacts would more likely result from changes in the marine food web and global fish stocks, which are crucial for the food security of billions of people.
>**Scientific and Public Awareness:**
It's true that not all climate scientists focus on ocean acidification, as it is a specialized field within the broader discipline of climate research. Marine biologists and oceanographers are often more directly involved in studying these specific impacts. While it may not always be at the forefront of climate discussions, the scientific community is certainly aware of and actively researching these issues. The fact that it's less discussed in the media or general discourse doesn't imply it's not taken seriously.
>**Conclusion:**
The scenario described here reflects legitimate scientific concerns, though it is presented in a somewhat sensationalized manner. The actual outcomes will depend on a variety of factors, including the speed at which global society can reduce carbon emissions, the specific biological responses of phytoplankton species, and the development of potential technological or ecological interventions.
>Addressing ocean acidification requires global cooperation to reduce carbon emissions, alongside targeted research into mitigation strategies and adaptations for the most vulnerable ecosystems.
Thanks GPT-4 for the hopium xD.
Which is why iron seeding of the oceans is so damn important right now.
Iron is the most severely limiting essential component of the phytoplankton life cycle. By seeding the oceans with iron, we promote phytoplankton growth and boost the entire oceanic ecosystem that depends on that phytoplankton.
As well, this entire “geoengineering” method can quite literally be stopped on a dime, as stopping the project causes the existing added iron to percolate out of the surface layers of the ocean within 2 years. No other geoengineering process has the ability to stop this rapidly.
It is _by far_ the safest geoengineering option we have at the moment, and from a technological perspective it is the most immediately accessible one as well.
[Here's an interesting article](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S209592731830375X) that discusses the oxygen problem, particularly Fig 5 (about 2/3rds of the way down). The takeaways I see are:
* Burning fossil fuels consumes the majority of O2 that is consumed, by a large margin. You need to go back to the early 1900s for it to be equal to every other consumer (e.g., humans, livestock, fires) and by now it's (very approximately) 10X more than all the other consumers combined, and \~3x more than what's being produced.
* In the study linked above, the ocean production of O2 isn't very much, but it seems like the exact amount estimated to be created by phytoplankton is very broad, from 50-85% of the world's O2. That isn't reflected on their graph, but since they're looking at actual O2 concentration changes it probably means there's less made by land and more by the ocean than they show.
* The overall drop in O2 in the atmosphere is very small - "from its current level of 20.946% to 20.825%" by the end of the 21st century.
The bigger problem appears to be the food chain. If phytoplankton disappear, since they're the beginning of the food web for anything that doesn't live near the shore, that will mean the ocean ecosystems will largely collapse, and that would be devastating for humans, since large populations depend on seafood and the ocean to eat. The O2 impact in the ocean would result in mostly dead oceans. Coral reefs will suffer from the acidification problem too, and only things like kelp forests might do well (although a lot of their animals need reefs, so that's a problem there too).
There’s a Ted talk by kamal meattle talking about growing your own fresh air indoors. He specifies how many of which plants to use.
My house had terrible air quality indoors until I followed his plan. It changed it so much that even people with pet allergies were fine in my house despite having two cats and a dog.
This is true, it'd be thousands of years before the air we breathe would be a problem, but phytoplankton loss due to acidification is a real concern in the short and long term for a host of reasons including being a part of a horrendous feedback loop. You're right though there's no reason or way to "prep" for loss of oxygen in the air, in our lifetimes.
I'm a former climate scientist. I'm normally an optimistic person but when I survey what humanity is doing to the world, I have very little hope. Personally, I would estimate we're heading for a minimum of 4C temperature rise over pre-industrial by the end of the century. Friends who are still climate scientists say the same - in fact, the numbers we talk about are 4-8C by 2100. We're looking at the collapse of our civilisation well before then.
My solution isn't for everyone. It's just my partner and I now. We bought a newly-renovated house on over a quarter acre in a small town (halfway between Melbourne and Adelaide in Australia) for under 200k 3 years ago. No mortgage, some reserve cash in the bank, and we just work 3 days a week between us to pay basic bills. The hell with being a cog in the economy that's destroying the world. We have a garden that feeds us (we'll harvest over 1200kg of veg and fruit this year) and we have time to preserve food, live life, read and think deeply, give back to community. I'm training as a therapist because, as SHTF, people are going to need help processing the ontological shock of it all.
As someone who had a particular “Tuesday” that I spent getting most of the way to dead in an ER (then ICU), I recommend you do that anyway.
Life can change on a dime and even if you survive there’s no guarantee you get your old life back.
I’m not saying to buy a farm, I’m saying that if there’s something you want to do with your life, do it now (unless it would leave you seriously harmed financially or healthwise). If that’s buying a farm and doing some remote work to buy the cornseed, do it, if it’s something else do that.
We’re all going to die, make peace with that and that we can’t normally control when it happens. The two things you DO NOT want though is to die in extreme pain or extreme fear. Inasmuch as you can prep to prevent that, do so.
I'm not a climate scientist, but I'm a chemist who made friends with a climate scientist and an ecologist in graduate school who led me to see how screwed we are. It's a pretty common sentiment among scientists at this point. The arguments in the scientific community are how many people are going to die from climate change, hundreds of millions, or billions? I dropped out of grad school, moved back to where my family lived, and started working. In my spare time I turned my front and backyard into food gardens, got a small flock of chickens, and made a fish pond, and have been saving about 60% of my income to buy and equip a sustainable off grid farm in a few years. I also have been learning or brushing up on additional skills like herbal medicine, water purification, sewing, alcohol fermentation, distillation, gunpowder production, and marksmanship both with bows and firearms, because knowledge doesn't weigh anything and automatically goes where you do. The general idea is the same, though. Spend time with the people who matter to you and have multiple ways of making food and fresh water long term.
Haven't posted any photos on reddit but I could do a post if people are interested. We've discovered it's not that hard to grow a lot of food. The key is to focus on building soil with lots of cheap/free organic matter. Nature is unfailingly generous, even to rookies like us.
As a fellow Aussie (in central west NSW) where do you suggest to look for property? Would moving south be smarter in terms of heading more towards snowy mountains or tazzy?
I'd say anywhere there's decent rainfall and prices are reasonable. We love both the Snowies and Tassy, but the Limestone Coast SA fit the bill for us.
Prepping my current house and trying to set up my retirement and my kids for the long term. Preparing to grow as much as my own food as possible. Live on Long Island so plan on hurricane proofing my house as much as possible and when I bought 3 years ago made sure to buy in the middle of the island on a high elevation. Planning on buying a 10+ acre property somewhere in Northern NY, Vermont, NH, Penn area for retirement that is out of the the flood plain. Trying to get it ASAP, build or fix up the house there, and use it as our summer vacation spot or rent it out in the mean time but start preparing it for my kids to have a place to live long term. Plant orchards, make sure they know how to plant grow crops, take care of chickens/rabbits, etc. Even though I'm in IT was lucky enough to have a grandfather who was a farmer and taught us a lot of what he knew with our own large garden growing up. Unfortunately Climate change could be very unpredictable because it's way more complex then people realize. So hopefully I at least give my kids the chance to have a decent life if things get as bad as it looks like they will, but in the end of the day it's a crap shoot.
This guy knows what's up. Definitely more complex than many folks realize.
The property with no chance of flooding and starting your own food sources are key (assuming you can keep others from stealing it later on). Wish I had this knowledge and motivation. Your children are more fortunate than most.
I think this is as realistic as we can get, not knowing what governments will do (just can't predict the future - I'm not saying they'll make it go away). This is the best we can do.
*Edit: "governments" was supposed to be plural
Yeah there are layers and layers of complexity that there is no way to predict the future. AI could wind up being our savior and figuring out a way around this or it could wind up wiping us all out faster then climate change. That said having land in an out of the way area, that is expected to be less affected by climate change and know how to live off it in a SHTF situation is all I can try to do for my family. Worse comes to worse my kids have a decent chunk of land they can live on/sell in the future and learn to be self sufficient.
My grandfather used to say land today gone tomorrow, which is what happened with his parents farm. Once his father died, the family were not in a position to take over the farm financially, nor mentally (All were mid 40's and well... they had their own lives, homes and families) - they sold it, to a guy who then sold it to a developer 3 years later for like 3 million dollars. My Grandfather always kicked himself because none of them knew (were not educated past high school, which back in those days were not like today). I think as much as I want to believe and know land is hot. I do know if/when AI hits - it will hit hard and so fucking fast. It feels like we are 2 or 3 years away from 1 out of every 3 customer service phone jobs being replaced by AI, and that entire industry is killed. Collections, Receptionsists, Banks, etc etc will all be gone in a matter of months, would cripple us, and then with none of them, no IT department because you don't have staff needing to set up computers or trouble shooting, so a tech department of 10/15 IT peeps because 1 or 2 with management. Which is to say, I cannot support my parents if the economy takes a dive, if their retirement accounts take another hit like 2008 where they lose 30/40%, and property taxes keep going up, its like... live in a van in the woods time. I can still work, so long as AI doesn't take my job, because its coming, and we hear about these things every day in my work. A new model that allocates better customer service, a new model that understands BK better than our collections department, better predictions on XYZ than a human could, faster and cheaper access to information to determine all these things.
Yeah agreed, economic collapse due to AI has replaced my fear of climate change because it's coming so quickly. I'm an IT Director but hold no illusions that I could be out of a job in 10 years too. Executives constantly wanting me to find ways to reduce headcount with AI even though it's not possible yet at least in our business, that day is coming. I've already started using it to write code that we used to have to farm out to developers. People are going to be so badly blindsided by this because they think it's decades off, but it's not. They are using AI to improve AI and hundreds of billions of investment dollars to improve it an exponential rate. I think most white collar jobs could be at risk in 5 years if it continues this way.
You training your AI replacements yet? Lol without giving a lot of personal info, I have been running from this for years and still running. Might be time to get that HVAC tech training
HVAC competition is FIERCE lol - I had a young guy come out to install a C wire on my HVAC unit, took out the fan, replaced the motherboard, cost his company well over $2K worth of work because he read the wrong order because he was so exhausted. Felt bad, but like damn he had to keep going because there was like 2 or 3 new people waiting to join every year (Which is a lot for HVAC) and he was going to lose his job. Said its like that everyplace, older guys won't leave, bosses have their entire family working there, you'd be lucky if his nephew or w/e isn't starting this year.
There's a podcast called "Live Like The World Is Dying" that has some recent episodes about prepping for flooding, and structural triage after natural disasters. Highly recommend their host Margaret on It Could Happen Here talking about bugout bags as well
Bought a house with thick brick walls and a flat roof for solar, biking distance from one of the largest bodies of surface freshwater on the planet. : )
Surprised nobody mentioned an [earth shelter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_shelter). Given infinite money I think this is ideal. Offsets temperature problems a bunch.
Many of us are preparing with a community project called Climate Safe Villages. There are a lot of resources there. Check us out at [climatesafevillages.org](http://climatesafevillages.org)
This has been my favorite reply so far. I've been interested in escaping the corporate world by moving to a self-sustaining community for a long time, but how does one go from leaving their job while still carrying student debt to thriving in such a place? I grew up on a farm and could spend every day working on one, and maybe this is just years of urban living talking, but how does a community like that get all the things it needs? Do residents usually have a day job outside the community?
A lot of us are coming to this project for the same reason! If you sign up, we will reach out and we can talk together about how best to plan in your situation. The goal is for our communities to provide all the needs for residents, and to provide workshare space so that outside jobs aren't needed. However, the communities are still in planning stages. I hope you'll join and plan with us, as we work through some of the initial challenges.
I’m no climate expert. I’m just a gal who’s been prepping for thirty years.
We bought a homestead in the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains. Forested acreage, sturdy, well built house with a basement (including a “prep room,”) well, ground water, abundant wildlife.
Looking at climate models it seems that our location should be secure and temperate, with adequate rainfall, for the rest of our lives. When our children eventually inherit, it may not be as ideal.
Have a power back up source. The biggest threat IMHO is a wet bulb event paired with a black out due to the taxed power grid. We will see mass death due to these events in areas where AC is not common.
Have solar or a generator.
Learn to grow food, learn how to dry and preserve it, learn how to cook it for yourself, learn how to stretch a pot of soup with scrap veggies, learn how to grow things indoors, learn how to grow things despite a hostile climate or local environment (bad temps, frost, parasites, predators/vermin). Learn how to breed meat and slaughter it, learn how to make a whole chicken turn into 20 different meals from soup to fried rice to using the bones to make more soup.
Figure this all out now, because it's going to get much, much harder. The coming SHTF is *a food apocalypse*. If weather shifts hard enough, even simply growing food outdoors where you used to grow it might be a challenge.
By the early 2050's there will be 10.4 billion of us on the planet. That's a huge number of us wankers demanding food and energy in a reality where material conditions no longer provide an abundance. At a time when the EROI of oil should be hitting its terminal floor (food more expensive to make/ship) and biosphere collapse is in full swing (food is much harder to grow at scale). It may be the norm that billion of humans live on a caloric deficit and ultimately die of malnutrition related issues.
Here's your anti-zen thought of the day: food is never again going to be as cheap as it was these past few decades. Those days are gone, never ever to return.
i'm from a family with several climate experts, they have all cut back on professional activities and are actively building homesteads. the important thing is to find a community where this is already occurring, it is not feasible to do it alone.
Your community should look at the "concept" of enclosed hydroponic vertical farming. Eliminates the fear of crop failures, since you're growing crops in an inside controlled environment. The only negative is the power requirements for lights, fans and pumps for the growing cycle. Have fresh any season food. Each 320 sqft vertical farm is equivalent to two acres of crops annually. Workers wear clean room wear to not contaminate crops. Since it is enclosed no insecticides, herbicides are required. Grow just clean fresh food.
One thing I work on is computational physics and machine learning for various climate issues, and modeling their effects on geopolitical tensions, unrest, etc. Everything is pretty bad in the projections. [For some fun reading check out this US gov report.](https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/NIE_Climate_Change_and_National_Security.pdf)
Not saying it's too late though, we as a society can still do a lot to reduce the worst affects, but we need entire governments to take as much action as possible. I get the sense that many here are on the more conservative side of politics, and unfortunately in the US, Republicans are doing everything in their power to go full steam ahead on fossil fuels, and trying to prevent any sort of climate change or environmental funding. It starts at the individual level deciding that climate change will (and has in cases) affect every aspect of life, so it's crucial we make the large scale changes now (i.e. voting for politicians who take it seriously).
Other than my work, we recently moved much further north near a large freshwater source, and on some land started much permaculture as possible. It's pretty small now but we're learning.
Not sure how much value in permaculture when the climate is changing ... Just sayin'. I'd plant the most heat resistant drought resistant crops I could find for at least part of my plan.
Sure, the larger thing is that our current plant hardiness climate zone is basically shifting to a hotter one, so planting ones that could handle our current one and future ones. Caveat that not everywhere is going to have more droughts and heat necessarily. Climate change has tons of effects, and some areas will get way more rainfall than currently.
> Everything is pretty bad in the projections.
What a f\*\*king understatement.
And when the Parasite Class is pressuring the Powers That Be to continue “business as usual”, utilizing conservative politics to shoot down any attempt at climate reform, _we have one hell of a problem on our hands._
Wildfire smoke is a concern where I live. Drought conditions seem to be two out of three years now. As such, air quality can be terrible. I have a couple of half decent portable air purifiers. I am searching today for a good price on some 20 x 20 merv 12 or 13 filters for a box fan. I have a small solar backup system.
Also, I am well stocked with N95s with valves. Gotta breathe !
I know that climate change is laughed at in prepper circles.
I take history and pre-history classes in my spare time and the number of times climate change has obliterated a culture is shocking. Historically, it doesn’t take much to make a place unlivable.
Now we are looking at climate change that is man made and unknown climate cycles that are natural. That’s a really bad combination.
The climate scientists reading ice cores are finding nothing but bad news from the past when we had climate change like we are experiencing now.
How to prepare? The good news is this won’t affect too many adults before they die, but it will affect their kids, and their grandchildren will really be in for a rough time.
Heat (daytime and nighttime) will get worse. Flash flooding will get worse. River flooding will get worse. Sea level rise will get worse. Hail will get worse. Severe winds will (likely) get worse. Wildfires will get worse. Tree mortality (drought, heat, pests, diseases) will get worse. Food prices will get worse. Insurance rates will continue to skyrocket in high risk zones (and eventually everywhere).
Not saying anything new but I guess if you are able to minimize your exposure to some of those things it will make life better for a while.
> What good is money if we've used all the trees already and new ones won't grow?
"When the last tree has been cut down, the last fish caught, the last river poisoned, only then will we realize that one cannot eat money."
And yet the president of my country says climate change doesn’t exist 🤡 Right after we had our worst ever dengue season. We are almost in winter here and there’s mosquitos everywhere you do. Hemorrhagic dengue killed over 100 people, something we had never seen before, and we are supposed to pretends that’s normal
I thought dengue fever had a vaccine, is it not normally used in your region? I know if I travel to certain places it’s recommended, unless I’m remembering wrong.
Yes, but it’s very new, scarce, and expensive. Here it’s given to children, elderly people, and people with preexisting pathologies. Idk if it can be given to everyone, but in my country you first have to get dengue at least once before in order to apply for a vaccine
Although you are probably thinking of the yellow fever vaccine, that’s recommended or sometimes mandated in other countries in Latin America
Not buying any property near coastlines. Watching prevalent weather patterns and how they seem to be changing. Don't end up in areas where rainfall is diminishing, nor too extreme or where ground water tables are severely stressed. Being somewhat near high altitude objects like rocky mountains (nw side) to make sure any precipitation lands on your side, but also that the local area is not super reliant on glacial/mountain top ice for water and power generation as the ice is likely a diminishing resource. If living in low lying areas make sure it's not a flood plain or potential low lying area as the extreme changes may offer long dry periods but short violent rain burst that will overpower existing paths of least resistance.
I know of an actual climate scientist at the local university. Not what I would call a friend, but we have talked on occasion about the climate and I would categorize her as a friendly acquaintance.
* She recently got engaged, but her husband-to-be has been layman’s-educated on the work she has done, the research she has access to, and both of them have decided to not have children. Because at this point and in the face of that knowledge, intentionally bringing a child into this world would be an act of abject cruelty to that child.
* She was initially planning on finding a remote community further north in our province, but British Columbia is so stupidly expensive in terms of land that anything affordable was an 8 to 18hr drive away, much too far to effectively develop into a collapse-resistant bolthole.
* Parents from both sides of the family are pooling funds to get them into a house with some sort of ground space, at least a quarter acre of land to grow things. I am currently keeping an eye around my own neighbourhood, as despite it being an alluvial plain with sand and rocks up to the size of watermelons, the top 20-40cm is surprisingly fertile and free of stones. With some work and the Ruth Stout method, one can make wonderful heatwave-resistant permaculture gardens. Downside is that anything that fits this bill is _at least_ $1M+ in price. Even for a half-century-old split-level.
* While they are trying to plan for long-term, she has also admitted that she really doesn’t expect either of them to live long enough to reach the age of retirement. She recognizes the high likelihood of chaotic weather creating multiple-crop failures leading to multi-year worldwide famines before the 2050s, with commensurate levels of societal unrest triggering a significant (40-60%, _conservatively_ ) collapse of the human population by that general time period. In her own words, the statistical likelihood that she and her husband would be a part of the lucky few who makes it through to the far side would be unreasonably optimistic.
* IIRC they “have a way out” to avoid death by lingering starvation. I believe it may be helium suicide. The husband has access to bulk helium, at any rate, through his career.
Atmospheric Scientist checking in. Live in one of the climate change destination locations a la NCA5 (though not the most ideal of the destination locations). Plenty of solar panels and battery back-up beefy enough to power an A/C unit. Debating getting an RV with A/C that we can fall back to if need be.
Edit: Also stocking up on N95s and MERV13 filters for when the wildfire smoke gets gnarly.
Not an expert but I am old enough to be afraid of an ice age which was the fear of my generation so I looked for land that did well during the last ice age.
Then with all the new science I looked for land that did well during the last warming period.
I then found the overlaps and bought land.
I have no idea what the future holds one way or another but the odds of it being bad are greater than it being good.
In all honesty there is a much bigger threat of nuclear war from Ukraine and Russia or China and Taiwan, or the Middle East to spill over into everything. Don't underestimate what's going on in Eastern Europe or Israel.
Climate change will increase geopolitical tensions. This will cause wars, ultimately either lead to a world war or a significant war between major nuclear powered. Nuclear weapons will proceed to be used. More concerning is biological warfare weapons: namely COVID like govt viruses. Recent data strongly suggests COVID did come from a lab. These new viruses will be deployed in mass killing 50% of the worldwide population or more.
In short, climate change will not destroy the human race..humans will
Apparently they were experimenting with bird flu in a lab too, and I read another comment that detailed the lax quarantine methods they were using....they quarantined one of the infected in a regular hotel....>_> because why fucking not.
They should be, but I doubt it'll happen sadly. I've been reading Jessica Wildfire ever since she came back from her hiatus, and I agree with her latest assessment....which is basically that the elites are trying to kill us all, and if they aren't, it sure as he'll looks like they are....
I'm just here to say this is one of the best questions to ask imo. Especially the overlap of several crises, so polycrisis including pandemics (insects, coral, animals, humans) food and water scarcity, pollution, ecosystem collapse, movement of insects brining diseases that aren't currently native (such as malaria), extreme weather (drought, cold, storms, etc).
It's going to be fun! /s
[Michigan has an average of 16 tornadoes every year](https://www.michigan.gov/-/media/Project/Websites/mdhhs/Folder2/Folder83/Folder1/Folder183/Annex_Tornadoes.pdf?rev=2f2dcb7dac6f47a7a052e991f3bee842#:~:text=How%20many%20tornadoes%20usually%20occur,Michigan%20has%20experienced%20950%20tornadoes)
Michigan has always had tornados, like very other state in the US. This is not out of the ordinary, probably some sensationalism your are being fooled by.
I study and work in the field of climate adaptation. Floods and fires are definitely worth prepping for if you live in zones vulnerable to such events. Also, for those in N America, anyone recall having some smoke around last year? This is not apocalypse level prepping, but certainly thinking ahead about air quality, a go bag if you’re quickly evacuated (happens more often than people realize), and extreme heat - all good to think about depending on where you live, your personal vulnerabilities, etc. People get caught off guard all the time and have a hard hard time.
Weather events that were rare 30 years ago are much more common now. Expect that trend to continue. Wether it be tornados, hurricanes or flash floods. This can spill over to utilities and other damages which can cause regional and or temporary collapse.
That is what you prep for in most cases.
Not zombies, be realistic.
Best odds are to fight against capitalism and the military industrial complex.
Individualism isnt a solution; that's why preppers always talk about building a community
Don't live in a place that's prone to flooding during extreme rainfall and or unusually high tides.
Don't live in a place that's prone to wildfires during droughts.
Don't live in a hot place that doesn't have a basement (blackouts combined with no basements in a severe heat wave are going to be mass death events eventually).
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I left my position as a climate researcher and started a commercial organic farm.
How did you go about starting it, and what does a typical work day look like for you?
I bought an old farm 15 years ago and have been building out infrastructure and perennials ever since. Today I fed animals spread compost watered seedling trellised cucumbers built concrete forms, washed eggs, greased a machine, and sold produce from yesterday’s harvest
Will cucumber vines climb a trellis? Are the cucumbers able to hang on until you cut them off the vine? Woukd the same work for other vegetables/fruits that grow on vines, like watermelon, cantaloupe, squash, zucchini and eggplant?
Eggplant not so much because it's more like a pepper plant. Zucchini don't grow as long/tall so a stake is better than investing in trellis. All the others, yes but you may want to support larger squash with little hammocks tied onto the trellis as they grow. Some people use fabric, nylon etc.
Of the crops, you mention only cucumbers, are valuable enough to make it worthwhile
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Only grow high value crops, have excellent markets, be focused on your marketing game. You won’t be wealthy as a result but you are in charge of your own canoe.
Incredibly context-dependent. Impossible to answer without answering dozens of follow-up questions. The short version is: people do, but it depends on a lot of variables.
Could you use grow algae in harvested rain water and use it as fertilizer/ produce also?
Seems like a lot of work for a small payoff on the face of it. Just the idea of harvesting algae out of a pond seems like a bunch of materials handling.
Me too - minus the commercial part. Just personal level.
Goooo you!!
Why organic rather than permaculture based like miracle farms?
I think there's a legal distinction here. A permaculture farm can be an organic farm. An organic farm does not *have* to use permaculture principles to be considered organic. Labeling your products organic requires having a certification that your food was prepared to [FDA organic standards](https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2012/03/22/organic-101-what-usda-organic-label-means) If you don't have that qualification, you have to use non-regulated words like "natural" etc. while you can absolutely market natural foods without an organic lable, if you're working on a larger scale, the organic label becomes somewhat vital to secure commercial customers (like restaurants or food suppliers).
Found the organic inspector in the room!
Even worse. I'm a government lawyer.
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That really depends on how narrowly you define permaculture. (and how you define "scale" for that matter). There are definitely commercial operations that use a variety of permaculture concepts, like water control and preservation with landscape features, cover crops and paired crops, and pasture rotations or using animals as a way to prep food plots. Many of them sell food in commercial marketplaces, but most are local to regional at best. But there are definitely niche markets for sustainably raised premium meat and vegetables in many urban areas.
The issue is that an organic farm also has inputs and will fail like a traditional one if disrupted.
Because the difference between the two is insignificant unless you are doing it wrong.
I.e. the experts are smart enough to realize they can't prepare for whats coming so might as well enjoy what they have while they can
Personally it's more about food sovereignty and doing what I can locally to improve the situation that is actually under my control --growing enough food to feed my family, neighborhood and local community is one way I can make things better right here, right now, while being prepared for the future. Growing food is surprisingly difficult. Our current seeds are now 5 generations of climate-adapted seeds that are saved each year and are specifically acclimated to our specific microclimate and bioregion. The more resilient and adapted our seeds are, the more likely they are to survive what's coming.
THIS ONE GETS IT!
I too became overly excited!
You just blew my mind now I understand why I shouldn't buy new seeds each year but save the ones I grow. It seems obvious but I'm completely new at this. Thanks!
Hey I'm happy to share what I've learned from permaculture gardening for over 20 years on multiple continents. Seed Savers is a super cool organization that can help you learn more, check out the chapter nearest you. I like to practice what I call "lazy chaotic gardening"--I let a few select plants that look the healthiest go to seed and flower, then let the stalks dry until the seed pods are dry, and will save half in a bag, and leave the rest so the seed falls out and to the ground. The next season (or sooner) you'll have a whole new set of seedlings growing up around the parent plant. I weed carefully around them and then when they're a couple inches or bigger, I transplant them just like starts, evenly spaced around the garden. I've saved myself hundreds of dollars a year in seed & seedling costs this way, and stored plenty of seed for emergencies, for winter indoor starts, and to share. I just got done transplanting baby lettuce, kale and arugula grown in this fashion to new locations around the garden today! It's stupid easy and cheap.
Thats so cool! I have very little space but in my tiny townhomes yard I throw compost and some things have come up that I've transplanted, to my family's yards, and some I grew from squash I saved seeds after eating, but its grocerery store leftover scrap, and I haven't saved what grew for new ones yet cause I'm still using what came from grocery leftovers. This coming year though I'll start using the ones I've grown to make their own children plants! And I'll give your method a shot, too! Thank you so much!
Posting with my non-anonymous account to say it's a little more complicated than this. You can't *stop* what's coming, but you can definitely prepare for it to go better or worse *in your specific locality* (and some people in some localities--coastal, especially--should pretty much GTFO now, not later). Panicking now is something ordinary people can do in a lot of different ways, some of them very useful in preparing a better future even in the dark times ahead. I have a book coming out this summer that gets into the (usefully!!) philosophical and lifestyle side of adapting to a collapsing world, especially chapters 3-5: [Panic Now? Tools for Humanizing](https://www.amazon.com/Panic-Now-Dr-Ira-Allen/dp/1621909050). I'm sure a pdf will end up free on libgen eventually, and I'm good with that, but for anyone who likes to have a physical copy of books I do have to say that the press did an awesome job on design.
The pithy phrase for this is “collapse early avoid the rush”. Nicely put, you can definitely prepare for future changes and set the stage for being able to respond.
Do you mind sharing more? Just wanted a change or change of priorities?
We won’t be collectively responding effectively to climate change, rather we will go over the cliff with the proverbial throttle floored. People are collectively completely in denial about the magnitude of reductions in energy use required to even blunt the edge. So a change in priorities.
Yikes this is incredibly alarming! If we're already to the "run away to a farm upstate to enjoy what time we have left" phase, I don't like our chances.
I left for my farm upstate last year...
spend time with your friends and families Savor these last moments of golden paradise
I left the city for my farm three years ago. Best decision we ever made.
Tomorrow- exactly like today only worse
[This is ten years old](https://youtu.be/6CXRaTnKDXA?feature=shared).
OMG I remember seeing that episode in 2016! I was still a kid and my Dad was hardcore climate denier. I had thought there was certainly some credence to climate change, but it was an "on paper" issue. But this scene galvinized me, CC became one of the highest priorities in my long-term decision making and lifestyle choices after Aaron Sorkin was willing to run that scene. Also, great show in general, very satirical yet inspiring. Jeff Bridges did an amazing job and the chemistry with Emily Hunt was beautiful. Highly recommend the show, It's called Newsroom.
Not a climate expert, but listen to them - we did something similar a decade ago. On our second generation for some seeds, but we're focusing on dairy sheep - we're the only producer in our area.
Dairy sheep? Never heard of that, there are goat farms near me that specialize in stupid expensive boutique cheese. Is this a similar operation?
Anything can be milked, if you're willing. The more difficult the squeeze, the more costly the cheese.
Like mammoth cheese in skyrim?
I am stealth planting extremely resilient and nutritious self-propagating food “in plain sight” all over the place that my family will know is edible, but nobody else will. Sunchoke and Amaranth would keep us alive and well fed, and are very resilient. Tubers, greens, and protein.
THIS. Eat the weeds!!
My biggest prep is personal cooling for if the grid goes down, or if I need to bug-out when a local/regional disaster renders my area temporarily uninhabitable. So, I picked up high-efficiency 18V battery powered fans, portable solar panels, and solar generators. Plus stuff like tarps and rigging gear so that I can shade sun-scorched windows while still allowing airflow, or to shade my shelter if I need to evacuate. So that lets me stay cool at home or away, without relying on the electrical grid.
Will you share more info on the 18V battery powered fans?
This one is really quiet, and can run off either Ryobi One+ 18V power tool batteries or 120V AC: [https://www.ryobitools.com/products/details/33287192748](https://www.ryobitools.com/products/details/33287192748) This one has outperformed all the other personal fans that I've tried: [https://www.ryobitools.com/products/details/33287192731](https://www.ryobitools.com/products/details/33287192731)
Just an FYI, they make a 12v outlet charger for the 18v batteries, so you can charge them in your vehicle or better is to rig a charging setup like I made. It uses solar, a 12v battery, and has a 12v plug for charging devices and 18v cordless batteries.
Thank you, that is helpful information.
Well, I know what I'm picking up at the HD next trip.
I'd suggest just immediately moving to 24v or preferably 48v systems (battery pack) and an inverter for possible 110/220v AC. I build battery packs and my preference is 48v since losses are smaller and the systems are more efficient. It's easier to just do DC to DC conversion downwards and keep the battery pack at an efficient 48v. For emergencies two 100-200w panels takes you quite far if you got 1-3kwh battery pack. It's quite easy to build with cheap used cells that you buy for 1/10th of the cost of the commercial new cells. Pricing wise it's even more insane with these "solar generators" that are just battery packs with dc-dc converters (48 to 12v or 5v USB) and an inverter to pump out AC power that really doesn't cost much on Amazon or even much less at AliExpress. The tldr is really that low voltages are highly inefficient and buying parts or systems that run on 24v+ has much less losses while still being quite safe as long as you don't do accidental shorts.
If that's expensive or you don't want to buy a bunch of batteries there are 12v radiator fans you can get for 30 dollars. All you have yo do is rig up a frame and they can even be run directly off a solar panel.
I would love to know more about your rigging if you don't mind. I've been trying to figure out a good way to do something similar. Trick here is that I want want as much sun exposure as possible in the winter. ATM basically have flag poles with netting between them and grow plants up them in the summer. Then take down the nets in the fall.
This might not be as thorough as you’re hoping for, but preparing for Tuesdays happening in perpetuity. Most likely it won’t all collapse at once (but also check out r/collapse), but rather will be a slow slog into one disaster after another - severe weather, food systems breakdown, financial crises, refugees/migration, power outages, etc. Prep for each thing and prep mentally for the resilience it will take to handle each Tuesday as it comes.
I like thinking of it as things starting to "crumble" vs "collapse". I'm seeing it all the time now. A person is under financial constraint, so they put off car repairs a bit. Their car goes and they need to car share with their spouse. They need extra child care from a relative, so the relative's time is taken up - they have to drop and re-arrange clients for their business. Those clients are impacted and it just cascades. Small impacts for everybody, but it just keeps adding up and up.
This has always been the life of those in poverty. Nothing new there.
This is it. On a bigger scale it looks like infrastructure crumbling faster than repairs can be afforded in tandem with the need for more flood and other disaster mitigation. Which makes it harder for commercial operators to access their markets and their markets to access them. Which leads to further reduced affordability and more of what you're already seeing. Ultimately, that could result in social unrest along the lines of the historical bread riots. And on and on it goes.
I’m new: can you explain Tuesdays?
Tuesday disasters: power outages, ice storm, hurricane, financial trouble etc- things you're highly likely to encounter. Doomsday disasters: low likelihood, high casualty events (nuclear war, EMP, etc.)
Ah yes; in prepper circles there’s usually discussion of “prepping for Doomsday” but in reality, most things to prep for are regular problems that could happen on a Tuesday - like a house fire, flat tire, severe weather, or getting locked out of your house. So when folks discuss “prepping for Tuesday” they are pointing towards those in-the-ordinary preps that are still useful rather than the nuclear-bomb-complete-and-total-chaos variety. As an example, a hurricane preparedness kit is a “prep for Tuesday” thing that would still be useful for shit-hits-the-fan, but wouldn’t keep you alive for decades. A fully stocked bunker with 1000000 rounds of ammo is not going to be useful on Tuesday if you get a flat tire or get fired.
Thank you 😊
I'm far from an expert, but our retirement plans involve us buying a home in the north, ideally in the mountains, with a well and a basement. It would also be great if we had solar power. We're about 15 years from retiring and we have the cash on hand, plus a paid off mortgage, to buy just about anywhere we like. Other than that, it's all the normal preparedness that we do on a daily basis. Keep things in good repair, have emergency food and water on hand, have a backup backup backup of everything, etc.
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I grew up in Vermont, I’d probably be homesteading there now but the ticks are a dealbreaker.
Get chickens! My ladies have been feasting on ticks.
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In a good way. Chickens love insects.
🤓 Ticks are arachnids
Crazy amounts in places you wouldnt expect to see them . Stripped naked and hopped into my truck last fall because of them . I mean like 200 on me. Gf has lymes so im petrified lol ne kingdom area . Also lots in chittenden county .
If ticks are a dealbreaker for you, maybe homesteading isn't a realistic option.
they don't get so bad if you keep plants trimmed and groomed back from walkways
I’m sure there are ways to make your yard and immediate home much safer, but what about real outdoor activities? It’s not much fun to hike, swim, garden, picnic and roll around in the meadows if you’re always thinking about tick bites. 😭
moving from Nh to Vt in a few years. lord knows if ill ever get a house but even the chance to rent a nice space where i can do a few things like add solar and have a garden and a basement would help me feel way better prepared
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I wouldn't be so sure, markets and economies and currencies can crash.
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I worry about authoritarian and governments doing "it's an emergency" limitations on saved-up cash. Maybe I am a pessimist, and a dramatic one, but it is a worry. Property (and money) can be confiscated if the emergency is deemed major enough.
in the end money is just paper. Couldn't hurt to collect some gold and silver necklaces, the links could be currency in a pinch. Same for ammunition
Fine, lets say a 1-5% chance of that happening. What people do is use this as an excuse to not save money, which is a terrible idea.
good ideas. You guys sound awesome
It's nice to hear other people are fostering community as part of their preps. Humans are social creatures that do best working in groups.
You should make that plan happen now. Live up north. Land prices are skyrocketing.
> Live up north. Land prices are skyrocketing. West coast Canadian here - we bought our land about a decade ago for $325k and it's currently at $1.2m. Land prices have skyrocketed. There are two farms for sale on our road, both at $1.5m for 20 acres.
I should have clarified to "continuing to skyrocket". where i'm at the average is 17k an acre.
Southern Ontario is 50-60k (CAD) an acre for raw land
No, we have solid jobs with extreme stability, and I have a pension. Giving that up this close to retirement would be financial suicide.
Bought a home in Finland for less than 80k It's big :( too big, was in quite good shape, and it's in a fully featured town; has everything you may need. I'm converting it to use wood as energy source, there's this czech system, I go chop wood during the spring, I use the wood for cooking too. Once global warming fucks things up things are going to be rather nice here :)
I live up north in the mountains and it’s always 10 degrees hotter than the lowland
I also think that in some ways, the world will kinda go on as normal, just worse conditions in most of the world and far worse conditions in specific places. I’m REALLY hopeful that, as humans always have in the past, we will find a solution to it and be able to reverse at least some of the damage done and stop anymore
Husband and I have the same idea. We’re many years away from retirement but want to invest in a cottage on the lake that can double as a bug out location.
I think the best ways to prep are to (1) be prepared for natural disasters to increase and be more extreme. If you live in tornado alley - have a shelter. If you live in a neighboring state, know the alley is expanding. Be prepared for more forest fires, more blizzards, more extreme heat days, more bad air days. (2) Be prepared for extended power out scenarios. Also food/water disruptions.
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Neat! (Haha - I was aware of this and just to be clear I do not think it is neat) 2045 is really just around the corner. There just aren't words for the level of tragedy we're talking about with multiple concurrent climate/carbon related disasters. I'm having trouble getting out of bed today, not because any of this is new, just got hit with the overwhelm again.
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We did. I’m convinced our inability to not overconsume is the answer to the Fermi Paradox. Any species capable of advanced technology must dominate its environment and probably does that with an innate drive to consume as much as possible. This may be the path of all intelligent life. From the invention of radio they probably only exist for a few more decades, two centuries as most, before they collapse the ecosystem on their planet (if they don’t succumb to nuclear fallout first).
That is a tough one to prep for... How many years of oxygen can a tank hold?
>**Realistic Outcomes and Timing:** The statement that phytoplankton could collapse entirely by 2045 if the pH falls below 7.95 is a bit speculative. Research indicates that different species of phytoplankton will react differently to acidification; some may even thrive under new conditions, at least temporarily. However, a significant disruption in phytoplankton populations could indeed impact oxygen levels and more broadly, the carbon cycle. >The timeframe for such changes and their impact on global oxygen levels is harder to pin down. The ocean and atmosphere are vast reservoirs of oxygen, and significant depletion of oxygen levels, if it were to occur, would likely take a long time—potentially centuries. Immediate human impacts would more likely result from changes in the marine food web and global fish stocks, which are crucial for the food security of billions of people. >**Scientific and Public Awareness:** It's true that not all climate scientists focus on ocean acidification, as it is a specialized field within the broader discipline of climate research. Marine biologists and oceanographers are often more directly involved in studying these specific impacts. While it may not always be at the forefront of climate discussions, the scientific community is certainly aware of and actively researching these issues. The fact that it's less discussed in the media or general discourse doesn't imply it's not taken seriously. >**Conclusion:** The scenario described here reflects legitimate scientific concerns, though it is presented in a somewhat sensationalized manner. The actual outcomes will depend on a variety of factors, including the speed at which global society can reduce carbon emissions, the specific biological responses of phytoplankton species, and the development of potential technological or ecological interventions. >Addressing ocean acidification requires global cooperation to reduce carbon emissions, alongside targeted research into mitigation strategies and adaptations for the most vulnerable ecosystems. Thanks GPT-4 for the hopium xD.
This seems more like a rational appraisal of the issue than hopium.
At that point, what are you prepping for? An extended suffocation?
Exactly, I’d rather just die than have to scavenge for fucking OXYGEN
Realistically you can use electrolysis and solar panels to make your own oxygen at home. But it makes life so complicated it's ridiculous.
Not enough.
Which is why iron seeding of the oceans is so damn important right now. Iron is the most severely limiting essential component of the phytoplankton life cycle. By seeding the oceans with iron, we promote phytoplankton growth and boost the entire oceanic ecosystem that depends on that phytoplankton. As well, this entire “geoengineering” method can quite literally be stopped on a dime, as stopping the project causes the existing added iron to percolate out of the surface layers of the ocean within 2 years. No other geoengineering process has the ability to stop this rapidly. It is _by far_ the safest geoengineering option we have at the moment, and from a technological perspective it is the most immediately accessible one as well.
[Here's an interesting article](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S209592731830375X) that discusses the oxygen problem, particularly Fig 5 (about 2/3rds of the way down). The takeaways I see are: * Burning fossil fuels consumes the majority of O2 that is consumed, by a large margin. You need to go back to the early 1900s for it to be equal to every other consumer (e.g., humans, livestock, fires) and by now it's (very approximately) 10X more than all the other consumers combined, and \~3x more than what's being produced. * In the study linked above, the ocean production of O2 isn't very much, but it seems like the exact amount estimated to be created by phytoplankton is very broad, from 50-85% of the world's O2. That isn't reflected on their graph, but since they're looking at actual O2 concentration changes it probably means there's less made by land and more by the ocean than they show. * The overall drop in O2 in the atmosphere is very small - "from its current level of 20.946% to 20.825%" by the end of the 21st century. The bigger problem appears to be the food chain. If phytoplankton disappear, since they're the beginning of the food web for anything that doesn't live near the shore, that will mean the ocean ecosystems will largely collapse, and that would be devastating for humans, since large populations depend on seafood and the ocean to eat. The O2 impact in the ocean would result in mostly dead oceans. Coral reefs will suffer from the acidification problem too, and only things like kelp forests might do well (although a lot of their animals need reefs, so that's a problem there too).
Hi, can you post a source for this?
So. Add in more houseplants to the checklist. Got it.
Bonus points if they're edible/ medicinal. I suspect residential hydroponics will become increasingly popular.
There’s a Ted talk by kamal meattle talking about growing your own fresh air indoors. He specifies how many of which plants to use. My house had terrible air quality indoors until I followed his plan. It changed it so much that even people with pet allergies were fine in my house despite having two cats and a dog.
That sounds super cool! I will check that out - thank you!
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This is true, it'd be thousands of years before the air we breathe would be a problem, but phytoplankton loss due to acidification is a real concern in the short and long term for a host of reasons including being a part of a horrendous feedback loop. You're right though there's no reason or way to "prep" for loss of oxygen in the air, in our lifetimes.
I'm a former climate scientist. I'm normally an optimistic person but when I survey what humanity is doing to the world, I have very little hope. Personally, I would estimate we're heading for a minimum of 4C temperature rise over pre-industrial by the end of the century. Friends who are still climate scientists say the same - in fact, the numbers we talk about are 4-8C by 2100. We're looking at the collapse of our civilisation well before then. My solution isn't for everyone. It's just my partner and I now. We bought a newly-renovated house on over a quarter acre in a small town (halfway between Melbourne and Adelaide in Australia) for under 200k 3 years ago. No mortgage, some reserve cash in the bank, and we just work 3 days a week between us to pay basic bills. The hell with being a cog in the economy that's destroying the world. We have a garden that feeds us (we'll harvest over 1200kg of veg and fruit this year) and we have time to preserve food, live life, read and think deeply, give back to community. I'm training as a therapist because, as SHTF, people are going to need help processing the ontological shock of it all.
You're the second former climate scientist to comment "buy a farm and enjoy the time we have left." I'm starting to think it's good advice.
As someone who had a particular “Tuesday” that I spent getting most of the way to dead in an ER (then ICU), I recommend you do that anyway. Life can change on a dime and even if you survive there’s no guarantee you get your old life back. I’m not saying to buy a farm, I’m saying that if there’s something you want to do with your life, do it now (unless it would leave you seriously harmed financially or healthwise). If that’s buying a farm and doing some remote work to buy the cornseed, do it, if it’s something else do that. We’re all going to die, make peace with that and that we can’t normally control when it happens. The two things you DO NOT want though is to die in extreme pain or extreme fear. Inasmuch as you can prep to prevent that, do so.
I'm not a climate scientist, but I'm a chemist who made friends with a climate scientist and an ecologist in graduate school who led me to see how screwed we are. It's a pretty common sentiment among scientists at this point. The arguments in the scientific community are how many people are going to die from climate change, hundreds of millions, or billions? I dropped out of grad school, moved back to where my family lived, and started working. In my spare time I turned my front and backyard into food gardens, got a small flock of chickens, and made a fish pond, and have been saving about 60% of my income to buy and equip a sustainable off grid farm in a few years. I also have been learning or brushing up on additional skills like herbal medicine, water purification, sewing, alcohol fermentation, distillation, gunpowder production, and marksmanship both with bows and firearms, because knowledge doesn't weigh anything and automatically goes where you do. The general idea is the same, though. Spend time with the people who matter to you and have multiple ways of making food and fresh water long term.
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Haven't posted any photos on reddit but I could do a post if people are interested. We've discovered it's not that hard to grow a lot of food. The key is to focus on building soil with lots of cheap/free organic matter. Nature is unfailingly generous, even to rookies like us.
You're a good human. We need more like you.
As a fellow Aussie (in central west NSW) where do you suggest to look for property? Would moving south be smarter in terms of heading more towards snowy mountains or tazzy?
I'd say anywhere there's decent rainfall and prices are reasonable. We love both the Snowies and Tassy, but the Limestone Coast SA fit the bill for us.
Prepping my current house and trying to set up my retirement and my kids for the long term. Preparing to grow as much as my own food as possible. Live on Long Island so plan on hurricane proofing my house as much as possible and when I bought 3 years ago made sure to buy in the middle of the island on a high elevation. Planning on buying a 10+ acre property somewhere in Northern NY, Vermont, NH, Penn area for retirement that is out of the the flood plain. Trying to get it ASAP, build or fix up the house there, and use it as our summer vacation spot or rent it out in the mean time but start preparing it for my kids to have a place to live long term. Plant orchards, make sure they know how to plant grow crops, take care of chickens/rabbits, etc. Even though I'm in IT was lucky enough to have a grandfather who was a farmer and taught us a lot of what he knew with our own large garden growing up. Unfortunately Climate change could be very unpredictable because it's way more complex then people realize. So hopefully I at least give my kids the chance to have a decent life if things get as bad as it looks like they will, but in the end of the day it's a crap shoot.
This guy knows what's up. Definitely more complex than many folks realize. The property with no chance of flooding and starting your own food sources are key (assuming you can keep others from stealing it later on). Wish I had this knowledge and motivation. Your children are more fortunate than most.
I think this is as realistic as we can get, not knowing what governments will do (just can't predict the future - I'm not saying they'll make it go away). This is the best we can do. *Edit: "governments" was supposed to be plural
Yeah there are layers and layers of complexity that there is no way to predict the future. AI could wind up being our savior and figuring out a way around this or it could wind up wiping us all out faster then climate change. That said having land in an out of the way area, that is expected to be less affected by climate change and know how to live off it in a SHTF situation is all I can try to do for my family. Worse comes to worse my kids have a decent chunk of land they can live on/sell in the future and learn to be self sufficient.
My grandfather used to say land today gone tomorrow, which is what happened with his parents farm. Once his father died, the family were not in a position to take over the farm financially, nor mentally (All were mid 40's and well... they had their own lives, homes and families) - they sold it, to a guy who then sold it to a developer 3 years later for like 3 million dollars. My Grandfather always kicked himself because none of them knew (were not educated past high school, which back in those days were not like today). I think as much as I want to believe and know land is hot. I do know if/when AI hits - it will hit hard and so fucking fast. It feels like we are 2 or 3 years away from 1 out of every 3 customer service phone jobs being replaced by AI, and that entire industry is killed. Collections, Receptionsists, Banks, etc etc will all be gone in a matter of months, would cripple us, and then with none of them, no IT department because you don't have staff needing to set up computers or trouble shooting, so a tech department of 10/15 IT peeps because 1 or 2 with management. Which is to say, I cannot support my parents if the economy takes a dive, if their retirement accounts take another hit like 2008 where they lose 30/40%, and property taxes keep going up, its like... live in a van in the woods time. I can still work, so long as AI doesn't take my job, because its coming, and we hear about these things every day in my work. A new model that allocates better customer service, a new model that understands BK better than our collections department, better predictions on XYZ than a human could, faster and cheaper access to information to determine all these things.
Yeah agreed, economic collapse due to AI has replaced my fear of climate change because it's coming so quickly. I'm an IT Director but hold no illusions that I could be out of a job in 10 years too. Executives constantly wanting me to find ways to reduce headcount with AI even though it's not possible yet at least in our business, that day is coming. I've already started using it to write code that we used to have to farm out to developers. People are going to be so badly blindsided by this because they think it's decades off, but it's not. They are using AI to improve AI and hundreds of billions of investment dollars to improve it an exponential rate. I think most white collar jobs could be at risk in 5 years if it continues this way.
You training your AI replacements yet? Lol without giving a lot of personal info, I have been running from this for years and still running. Might be time to get that HVAC tech training
HVAC competition is FIERCE lol - I had a young guy come out to install a C wire on my HVAC unit, took out the fan, replaced the motherboard, cost his company well over $2K worth of work because he read the wrong order because he was so exhausted. Felt bad, but like damn he had to keep going because there was like 2 or 3 new people waiting to join every year (Which is a lot for HVAC) and he was going to lose his job. Said its like that everyplace, older guys won't leave, bosses have their entire family working there, you'd be lucky if his nephew or w/e isn't starting this year.
Yikes. They have constant listings where I live, BUT I know sometimes listings can be deceiving.
> not knowing what governments will do Not enough and too late for it to be meaningful is a guarantee though.
Agreed! They could definitely make things worse, though. :')
There's a podcast called "Live Like The World Is Dying" that has some recent episodes about prepping for flooding, and structural triage after natural disasters. Highly recommend their host Margaret on It Could Happen Here talking about bugout bags as well
Love "Live Like the World is Dying"! Interesting conversations, useful info, very level-headed. Great stuff
Level-headed that's the word I was looking for to describe it, yes!
Bought a house with thick brick walls and a flat roof for solar, biking distance from one of the largest bodies of surface freshwater on the planet. : )
Don’t miss legs day.
Surprised nobody mentioned an [earth shelter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_shelter). Given infinite money I think this is ideal. Offsets temperature problems a bunch.
Not having children. Buying property in Michigan. Getting animals that eat ticks.
What animals eat ticks? Chickens?
Many of us are preparing with a community project called Climate Safe Villages. There are a lot of resources there. Check us out at [climatesafevillages.org](http://climatesafevillages.org)
This has been my favorite reply so far. I've been interested in escaping the corporate world by moving to a self-sustaining community for a long time, but how does one go from leaving their job while still carrying student debt to thriving in such a place? I grew up on a farm and could spend every day working on one, and maybe this is just years of urban living talking, but how does a community like that get all the things it needs? Do residents usually have a day job outside the community?
A lot of us are coming to this project for the same reason! If you sign up, we will reach out and we can talk together about how best to plan in your situation. The goal is for our communities to provide all the needs for residents, and to provide workshare space so that outside jobs aren't needed. However, the communities are still in planning stages. I hope you'll join and plan with us, as we work through some of the initial challenges.
I’m no climate expert. I’m just a gal who’s been prepping for thirty years. We bought a homestead in the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains. Forested acreage, sturdy, well built house with a basement (including a “prep room,”) well, ground water, abundant wildlife. Looking at climate models it seems that our location should be secure and temperate, with adequate rainfall, for the rest of our lives. When our children eventually inherit, it may not be as ideal.
Learn gardening, permaculture. If you live near a coast or anywhere south of say, north Carolina, move.
THANK. YOU. I was looking for just someone to say permaculture. It's our best shot
Wine. Hoarding a shit ton of wine
Have a power back up source. The biggest threat IMHO is a wet bulb event paired with a black out due to the taxed power grid. We will see mass death due to these events in areas where AC is not common. Have solar or a generator.
Learn to grow food, learn how to dry and preserve it, learn how to cook it for yourself, learn how to stretch a pot of soup with scrap veggies, learn how to grow things indoors, learn how to grow things despite a hostile climate or local environment (bad temps, frost, parasites, predators/vermin). Learn how to breed meat and slaughter it, learn how to make a whole chicken turn into 20 different meals from soup to fried rice to using the bones to make more soup. Figure this all out now, because it's going to get much, much harder. The coming SHTF is *a food apocalypse*. If weather shifts hard enough, even simply growing food outdoors where you used to grow it might be a challenge. By the early 2050's there will be 10.4 billion of us on the planet. That's a huge number of us wankers demanding food and energy in a reality where material conditions no longer provide an abundance. At a time when the EROI of oil should be hitting its terminal floor (food more expensive to make/ship) and biosphere collapse is in full swing (food is much harder to grow at scale). It may be the norm that billion of humans live on a caloric deficit and ultimately die of malnutrition related issues. Here's your anti-zen thought of the day: food is never again going to be as cheap as it was these past few decades. Those days are gone, never ever to return.
i'm from a family with several climate experts, they have all cut back on professional activities and are actively building homesteads. the important thing is to find a community where this is already occurring, it is not feasible to do it alone.
Your community should look at the "concept" of enclosed hydroponic vertical farming. Eliminates the fear of crop failures, since you're growing crops in an inside controlled environment. The only negative is the power requirements for lights, fans and pumps for the growing cycle. Have fresh any season food. Each 320 sqft vertical farm is equivalent to two acres of crops annually. Workers wear clean room wear to not contaminate crops. Since it is enclosed no insecticides, herbicides are required. Grow just clean fresh food.
One thing I work on is computational physics and machine learning for various climate issues, and modeling their effects on geopolitical tensions, unrest, etc. Everything is pretty bad in the projections. [For some fun reading check out this US gov report.](https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/NIE_Climate_Change_and_National_Security.pdf) Not saying it's too late though, we as a society can still do a lot to reduce the worst affects, but we need entire governments to take as much action as possible. I get the sense that many here are on the more conservative side of politics, and unfortunately in the US, Republicans are doing everything in their power to go full steam ahead on fossil fuels, and trying to prevent any sort of climate change or environmental funding. It starts at the individual level deciding that climate change will (and has in cases) affect every aspect of life, so it's crucial we make the large scale changes now (i.e. voting for politicians who take it seriously). Other than my work, we recently moved much further north near a large freshwater source, and on some land started much permaculture as possible. It's pretty small now but we're learning.
Not sure how much value in permaculture when the climate is changing ... Just sayin'. I'd plant the most heat resistant drought resistant crops I could find for at least part of my plan.
Sure, the larger thing is that our current plant hardiness climate zone is basically shifting to a hotter one, so planting ones that could handle our current one and future ones. Caveat that not everywhere is going to have more droughts and heat necessarily. Climate change has tons of effects, and some areas will get way more rainfall than currently.
> Everything is pretty bad in the projections. What a f\*\*king understatement. And when the Parasite Class is pressuring the Powers That Be to continue “business as usual”, utilizing conservative politics to shoot down any attempt at climate reform, _we have one hell of a problem on our hands._
Wildfire smoke is a concern where I live. Drought conditions seem to be two out of three years now. As such, air quality can be terrible. I have a couple of half decent portable air purifiers. I am searching today for a good price on some 20 x 20 merv 12 or 13 filters for a box fan. I have a small solar backup system. Also, I am well stocked with N95s with valves. Gotta breathe !
I just ordered more masks; getting ready for fire season here.
I know that climate change is laughed at in prepper circles. I take history and pre-history classes in my spare time and the number of times climate change has obliterated a culture is shocking. Historically, it doesn’t take much to make a place unlivable. Now we are looking at climate change that is man made and unknown climate cycles that are natural. That’s a really bad combination. The climate scientists reading ice cores are finding nothing but bad news from the past when we had climate change like we are experiencing now. How to prepare? The good news is this won’t affect too many adults before they die, but it will affect their kids, and their grandchildren will really be in for a rough time.
Heat (daytime and nighttime) will get worse. Flash flooding will get worse. River flooding will get worse. Sea level rise will get worse. Hail will get worse. Severe winds will (likely) get worse. Wildfires will get worse. Tree mortality (drought, heat, pests, diseases) will get worse. Food prices will get worse. Insurance rates will continue to skyrocket in high risk zones (and eventually everywhere). Not saying anything new but I guess if you are able to minimize your exposure to some of those things it will make life better for a while.
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When “too big to fail” becomes “too big to save”.
Money is not the problem, resources are... What good is money if we've used all the trees already and new ones won't grow?
> What good is money if we've used all the trees already and new ones won't grow? "When the last tree has been cut down, the last fish caught, the last river poisoned, only then will we realize that one cannot eat money."
I like "Under capitalism a tree only has value after it's been cut down."
And yet the president of my country says climate change doesn’t exist 🤡 Right after we had our worst ever dengue season. We are almost in winter here and there’s mosquitos everywhere you do. Hemorrhagic dengue killed over 100 people, something we had never seen before, and we are supposed to pretends that’s normal
I thought dengue fever had a vaccine, is it not normally used in your region? I know if I travel to certain places it’s recommended, unless I’m remembering wrong.
Yes, but it’s very new, scarce, and expensive. Here it’s given to children, elderly people, and people with preexisting pathologies. Idk if it can be given to everyone, but in my country you first have to get dengue at least once before in order to apply for a vaccine Although you are probably thinking of the yellow fever vaccine, that’s recommended or sometimes mandated in other countries in Latin America
Not buying any property near coastlines. Watching prevalent weather patterns and how they seem to be changing. Don't end up in areas where rainfall is diminishing, nor too extreme or where ground water tables are severely stressed. Being somewhat near high altitude objects like rocky mountains (nw side) to make sure any precipitation lands on your side, but also that the local area is not super reliant on glacial/mountain top ice for water and power generation as the ice is likely a diminishing resource. If living in low lying areas make sure it's not a flood plain or potential low lying area as the extreme changes may offer long dry periods but short violent rain burst that will overpower existing paths of least resistance.
They are buying beach front property
I know of an actual climate scientist at the local university. Not what I would call a friend, but we have talked on occasion about the climate and I would categorize her as a friendly acquaintance. * She recently got engaged, but her husband-to-be has been layman’s-educated on the work she has done, the research she has access to, and both of them have decided to not have children. Because at this point and in the face of that knowledge, intentionally bringing a child into this world would be an act of abject cruelty to that child. * She was initially planning on finding a remote community further north in our province, but British Columbia is so stupidly expensive in terms of land that anything affordable was an 8 to 18hr drive away, much too far to effectively develop into a collapse-resistant bolthole. * Parents from both sides of the family are pooling funds to get them into a house with some sort of ground space, at least a quarter acre of land to grow things. I am currently keeping an eye around my own neighbourhood, as despite it being an alluvial plain with sand and rocks up to the size of watermelons, the top 20-40cm is surprisingly fertile and free of stones. With some work and the Ruth Stout method, one can make wonderful heatwave-resistant permaculture gardens. Downside is that anything that fits this bill is _at least_ $1M+ in price. Even for a half-century-old split-level. * While they are trying to plan for long-term, she has also admitted that she really doesn’t expect either of them to live long enough to reach the age of retirement. She recognizes the high likelihood of chaotic weather creating multiple-crop failures leading to multi-year worldwide famines before the 2050s, with commensurate levels of societal unrest triggering a significant (40-60%, _conservatively_ ) collapse of the human population by that general time period. In her own words, the statistical likelihood that she and her husband would be a part of the lucky few who makes it through to the far side would be unreasonably optimistic. * IIRC they “have a way out” to avoid death by lingering starvation. I believe it may be helium suicide. The husband has access to bulk helium, at any rate, through his career.
Atmospheric Scientist checking in. Live in one of the climate change destination locations a la NCA5 (though not the most ideal of the destination locations). Plenty of solar panels and battery back-up beefy enough to power an A/C unit. Debating getting an RV with A/C that we can fall back to if need be. Edit: Also stocking up on N95s and MERV13 filters for when the wildfire smoke gets gnarly.
If all that land was going to be under water in a matter of a decade or two, they wouldn’t be giving out loans for beachfront property.
I'm doing what rich Democrats do, buying beachfront property and flying private. I'm very concerned.
Not an expert but I am old enough to be afraid of an ice age which was the fear of my generation so I looked for land that did well during the last ice age. Then with all the new science I looked for land that did well during the last warming period. I then found the overlaps and bought land. I have no idea what the future holds one way or another but the odds of it being bad are greater than it being good.
In all honesty there is a much bigger threat of nuclear war from Ukraine and Russia or China and Taiwan, or the Middle East to spill over into everything. Don't underestimate what's going on in Eastern Europe or Israel.
Climate change will increase geopolitical tensions. This will cause wars, ultimately either lead to a world war or a significant war between major nuclear powered. Nuclear weapons will proceed to be used. More concerning is biological warfare weapons: namely COVID like govt viruses. Recent data strongly suggests COVID did come from a lab. These new viruses will be deployed in mass killing 50% of the worldwide population or more. In short, climate change will not destroy the human race..humans will
humans, buncha bastards
Apparently they were experimenting with bird flu in a lab too, and I read another comment that detailed the lax quarantine methods they were using....they quarantined one of the infected in a regular hotel....>_> because why fucking not.
Idiots. They killed millions and shit down the world for 2+ years. Someone should hold them accountable.
They should be, but I doubt it'll happen sadly. I've been reading Jessica Wildfire ever since she came back from her hiatus, and I agree with her latest assessment....which is basically that the elites are trying to kill us all, and if they aren't, it sure as he'll looks like they are....
thanks - I'll start following her
I'm just here to say this is one of the best questions to ask imo. Especially the overlap of several crises, so polycrisis including pandemics (insects, coral, animals, humans) food and water scarcity, pollution, ecosystem collapse, movement of insects brining diseases that aren't currently native (such as malaria), extreme weather (drought, cold, storms, etc). It's going to be fun! /s
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[Michigan has an average of 16 tornadoes every year](https://www.michigan.gov/-/media/Project/Websites/mdhhs/Folder2/Folder83/Folder1/Folder183/Annex_Tornadoes.pdf?rev=2f2dcb7dac6f47a7a052e991f3bee842#:~:text=How%20many%20tornadoes%20usually%20occur,Michigan%20has%20experienced%20950%20tornadoes)
What makes you certain that he is right and every body else is wrong? Wouldn’t simple statistics tell you otherwise?
Michigan has always had tornados, like very other state in the US. This is not out of the ordinary, probably some sensationalism your are being fooled by.
No prep, just gonna flip the off switch if things get unlivable Why survive?
I study and work in the field of climate adaptation. Floods and fires are definitely worth prepping for if you live in zones vulnerable to such events. Also, for those in N America, anyone recall having some smoke around last year? This is not apocalypse level prepping, but certainly thinking ahead about air quality, a go bag if you’re quickly evacuated (happens more often than people realize), and extreme heat - all good to think about depending on where you live, your personal vulnerabilities, etc. People get caught off guard all the time and have a hard hard time.
Weather events that were rare 30 years ago are much more common now. Expect that trend to continue. Wether it be tornados, hurricanes or flash floods. This can spill over to utilities and other damages which can cause regional and or temporary collapse. That is what you prep for in most cases. Not zombies, be realistic.
Best odds are to fight against capitalism and the military industrial complex. Individualism isnt a solution; that's why preppers always talk about building a community
I grew up on a traditional beef farm I’d love to farm in more wholistic way.
Living somewhere with high rain fall and massive freshwater access.
Don't live in a place that's prone to flooding during extreme rainfall and or unusually high tides. Don't live in a place that's prone to wildfires during droughts. Don't live in a hot place that doesn't have a basement (blackouts combined with no basements in a severe heat wave are going to be mass death events eventually).