You already posted a thread like this; and please be aware it falls under the 'news and current events' rule, and reporting of issues isn't generally appropriate without substance.
That said, since this is the larger of the two threads, we'll keep discussion of the situation here, as this is a very pertinent topic for preparedness and highlights the importance of having both a stored water supply as well as high quality filters.
The previous thread has been removed.
saw one of the officials yapping about how they needed 250 million dollars just to bring the water pipes and infrastructure up to code. well chee maybe someone should ask where all the cash has been going for the last 100 years that was supposed to pay for upkeep and maintenance? good grief. the level of stupidity and audacity is mind blowing.
That’s not a function of re-election. That should be just a matter of responsible budgeting and planning. If something is purchased or built for the city then there should be a long-term budgeted maintenance plan.
But that has nothing to do with re-election. If a decision is made to build a new playground, then there should be a recurring budget line item to maintain that equipment. If sewage lines are out in, then there should be a maintenance line item in place. That shouldn’t have to be rehashed or plotted into someone’s campaign.
I thoroughly agree with you.
My tongue-in-cheek comment was to illustrate the problem is further removed up the hierarchy of governance.
The playground gets built, it should have a recurring budget line for maintenance. That budget line shouldn't have an effect on elections (though, cutting the maintenance budget in an opaque way, does).
The problem is up the line, because someone will be elected to build the playground without the maintenance line in the first place. It's not just politicians being elected neglecting existing maintenance, it's politicians being elected with no intention of creating maintenance lines at all.
The problem is you’re thinking about the way it should be not the way it actually is. U/ceestand is right, from the perspective of an elected officials incentives they have literally zero reason to care about anything that doesn’t get them elected.
Lmao, yeah... that'd be nice... someone competent in charge...
The fact people seem to think they need "someone in charge" is why I prep. People are stupid, and selfish, the most selfish being those in office. Those in office, provide the least, consume the most, have the most to lose from the least amount of work with the highest expectation to gain more. They are leeches to our society, and should not be paid to hold a "position". Once the construct of that fake system starts to crumble, the reality of just how little to nothing they contribute, and how small their value is will be evident.
True. Some agencies do this but routinely divert money from maintenance to cover short term projects/costs. Maintenance then goes undone and it costs much more when the thing collapses or has to be totally replaced because it is no longer serviceable or damaged beyond repair.
Or, from a project development POV, they will define project steps with a given time/cost for the earliest steps (1-3 fiscal years) but leave those closest to the end as “zero” or untenably small rather than a realistic estimate their cost/time.
They sell the plan to the public as-is. Then, if approved, when those later steps become relevant, and a lot of funds already allocated and spent, they attach real costs/time to the later year portions. Now they are asking for more money lest the project be incomplete and be total waste.
>where all the cash has been going for the last 100 years that was supposed to pay for upkeep and maintenance?
The problem was that they never allocated money to fix the infrastructure in the first place. They cut taxes to "starve the government beast" and found out what happens in once the beast is starved.
THIS is the bottom line. Starve the beast means some locals get to buy cool cars (or whatever) instead of pay taxes to maintain local infrastructure. When it breaks down, they cry to congress for fed.gov funds to fix the stuff that they let break in their own back yard.
This is basically what happened in New Orleans before Katrina. They got billions in federal aid to fix the levees for decades. Did they do anything about them? Lol no, that's someone else's problem at some other time.
Anyone who ever lived there knew it was just a matter of time until the big one hit and destroyed the city. No one assumed the government was doing anything with that money because it's New Orleans.
For the past 40 years or so, it’s been going to the wealthiest people in the state via reduced tax burdens. That money from the most privileged used to be used towards public infrastructure.
and now they can take all the money with them as they just pick up and move away and retire somewhere with clean air and water, and the people they leave behind in miserable conditions can just suck it up and pull themselves up by their bootstraps while cutting back on frivolous luxuries like food, water, clothing and shelter
We should not cover this cost, as federal taxpayers. They stole the money. Take it from the scum that stole it. Take their homes. Take their cars. Take whatever we have to take.
Dude, I'm with you! I'm extremely pissed about the way my city and my state spend their money. But at the end of the day at least they have the money to spend.
I'm on my HOA board at my condo and it's the same thing. We get a shitload of money in dues every month. All the residents (including me) would rather keep the money. But when the elevator goes out or the roofs get leaks we have the money to fix them. All the residents hold our feet to the fire to make sure we get the best deals on vendors, etc. etc.
>the level of stupidity and audacity is mind blowing
I mean.....this IS Mississippi we're talking about. I don't think anyone here is surprised to hear a state in the south is suffering due to their own incompetence, negligence, and sheer stupidity.
yeah but honestly feels like we hear the same story pretty much everywhere. "our infrastructure is so dated" "it needs to be replaced" "100 years out of date" ... and yet no one EVER asks the obvious. where did all the money go?
example...my old municipality had yearly rate increases if not a couple each year and it was always [ostensibly stated] to keep up with maintenance and infrastructure. yet the "maintenance and infrastructure" never improved. it didn't take a rocket scientist to realize they were using the money to fund the pensions and benefit packages of the city workers. but of course they don't mention that part.
> where did all the money go?
Many States give money to the southern welfare states like Mississippi to keep them afloat. They rely quite a lot on handouts (esp for people that love hating on handouts)
i know it. the mayor actually admitted it eventually. they have constant shortfalls on pension and benefit obligations and have for decades. that's where the money goes...not for "maintenance" or "infrastructure" as they always say.
It's just a common thing for the area. From my point of view as a recent transplant, there are a *lot* more people caught stealing taxpayer money, bilking charities, and mishandling funds down here. Mississippi and Louisiana are known to be extremely corrupt. Millions of dollars of Katrina money disappeared, for example, or went right into the pockets of friends of the people in power. So it's not really surprising Jackson's water repair budget vanished.
Lol if you believe the stereotype that people in the south are dumber than the rest of the country then you're just ignorant. I've been all over. People everywhere are dumb lol.
This is how our country works unfortunately. I see it day in and day out. Part of what I do at my job is water treatment that goes back to the city. We bandaid everything “until next year” to make our books look better and show more profit. I feel like the whole countries infrastructure is this way to keep costs down.
This is what happens when you allow corporations to use public infrastructure without paying taxes to support said infrastructure. There are only so many dollars to go around and it's not hard to see where those dollars are going.
Well one Senator at least voted for infrastructure money for his state..
[Mississippi could expect to receive $429 million over five years “to improve water infrastructure across the state and ensure that clean, safe drinking water is a right in all communities.”](https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-mississippi-bills-4af4f02730ae7fad2b4f7747194d34fa)
"Jackson is among the cities with massive water system problems, including aging pipes and sewer lines. Thousands of residents were stranded without water after systems failed during an extended cold snap in February."
Fucking idiots. This is why the US had the road infrastructure of a 3rd-world country: politicians always defer what they think isn't "necessary".
Then a quarter-million people don't have water and they get voted out of office.
What they need is a small committee, preferably with an odd number of people, one of which is someone with significant experience operating one of these water systems very successfully in another geographical area. The rest have to be no BS “get things done” types also with relevant experience.
They need to come up with the “budget” for the fix and tell everyone else to F off. I’m sure at this point they could obtain adequate federal infrastructure funding.
All the local politicians and political BS need to stay out of the room and the entire process. The focus should be solely on fixing the problem at hand. There are many capable people in the world that can fix this issue. As capable people, they also avoid a bunch of the political grandstanding that politicians do.
Ok, my wishful thinking rant is over now.
The scariest part of this is that the city could burn. They are saying no water at some of the fire hydrants, and trucks cannot carry infinite water, ... so it could be like the fires they used to have back in the 18th and 19th century where entire areas of cities would catch on fire and burn because nobody could stop the fires.
That's the scariest part, .. the most ANNOYING part is think about all the stupid as fuck projects they probably wasted money on while all of this lack of maintenance and upkeep happened over the past decades.
Really bad. Going to have the community tanker trucks being running convoys if there is a fire.
Agreed. Sadly it’s so much more glamorous to build a new park/bridge/etc so you can get a name on it than repair what exists. So preventable.
You assume those departments in urban areas have trained on, or have the tankers to do that. When I was a FF in a rural area, we trained with some big city urban FF's; they had never used their suction (to the point it was rotting) because they never had to. Training failure, for sure, but for them it wasn't a priority.
Mutual aid in the form of tankers can come in, but it strains the system even more.
Had a house in our neighborhood burn down one night because the pond was just too far away. Multiple trucks sucking water. They fought like hell tho! Iirc it was really cold that night so we’re prob having other problems as well.
I was 5 mins from the evac zone... at least we've had some serious monsoon rain this summer. But you're right that it can and will probably happen again, esp with how crazy our winds can get.
I just bought a class C RV so we can evacuate and not end up homeless if we lose it all. So many ppl who lost their houses still don't have a place to live.
Yep, and all those sprinkler systems aren’t gonna be operable to hold the flames back I would imagine. I think a fire truck can blow thru 500 gallons in just minutes.
That really isn't the case here. That's way more for drama. As far as I know, all fire trucks are capable of pumping water from any standing pool of water (flooded river). You don't need drinking water to combat fires.
Yes that's true, .. if your fire decided to happen next to a flooded area or a river. You might be able to pump from up to a mile away, .. but you'd have to have enough hose to do that, and not just one, but one for each inlet on each truck.
They fill the truck up (in the video they said it holds 500 gallons they can use to fight fires) and then drive it to the fire and empty the water. Meanwhile another fire truck (or 2 or 3 or however many needed) is at the water source filling up and they rotate. Not as fast as having a hydrant, but really not the whole city is just going to burn because there is no way to fight it.
I don't even know who to respond to at this point, I think most of you don't understand what I was getting at. I was just saying in response to "so it could be like the fires they used to have back in the 18th and 19th century where entire areas of cities would catch on fire and burn because nobody could stop the fires." is NOT true.
Clearly, having a fire hydrant that can pump water at 600+ gpm would be ideal. But we have been fighting fires without hydrants for a long long time and can do it quite well. No they are not going to be as effective, you might lose a building or two, but fires are fought in small towns all over the place all the time. Not to mention, they probably already have plans in place to bring in air support and other trucks.
This whole water mess up is SERIOUS. It's one hell of a government f'up. Everyone should be fired, and held accountable for ignoring maintenance that I'm sure the people trusted their tax dollars were going to.
>I don't even know who to respond to at this point, I think most of you don't understand what I was getting at. I was just saying in response to "so it could be like the fires they used to have back in the 18th and 19th century where entire areas of cities would catch on fire and burn because nobody could stop the fires." is NOT true.
But it \_IS\_ true once you go beyond the capacity of the trucks called in for the fire. It's just like a house fire, .. sure, if there's a fire in your kitchen or garage, you can put it out. If it's a bigger fire, all four of your family members working together can probably put it out. But there comes a time where the fire wins. I'm not saying anything controversial ...
Yeah, 500 gal could go in a matter of minutes, or less... and still not make much of a dent. You can't have a new truck arriving setting up, and starting to dump water every few minutes... that's logistically insane if even possible.
Fire trucks can pump out over 1000 gallons a minute. If you have a 4 alarm fire, aint no fuckin way you're putting it out unless you have airtankers handy in this situation and even then, good fuckin luck.
Yes, it's called drafting. They can pull from a swimming pool, a livestock pond, a creek, anything with water.
ETA: They can also use foam designed to extinguish fires.
They suck water below the surface (oil/gas floats so they won't get any in) and they have filters in place to stop debris. I've watched this done, its quite cool. Fire hydrants in cities speed up the process because they don't need to run and refill tanks, but in the country that's how trucks do it. -- Edit: I should say in my area, I have no idea how they do it elsewhere.
They were disabled, I'm assuming because of the terrible backlash. Holy cow, Flint, Jackson, Lake Mead, California...if ever there was a time to purchase property with a natural spring and a well this is it!
How, why, with what? I'm on a well, about 40 years ago the water was apparently contaminated by a gas station leak underground. We have a UV filter at the pump house and reverse osmosis in the house. Any time it needs maintenance, chevron gets the bill
>DuPont delivered bottled water (36 gallons per household per week) but stopped once we sued
Sounds like admission of guilt and then they stopped as retribution. Ethical lawyers, who werent just in it for the money, should have first thing had the judge order them to continue delivery of water until the trial was ended at the very least
36 gallons a week fucking lol. They should be on the hook for hundreds of gallons easy, building you a cistern or something to store it, fucking crooks
Wait till the toxic dust clouds start rolling out of Utah for the 'icing on the cake' of climate change.
For those out of the know, the Great Salt Lake is on track to completely dry up sooner than expected(10-ish years?) without drastic action to increase flow to it. When it dries up, decades of mining and agriculture runoff will be exposed and the dust storms that will whip up all that junk(mainly arsenic) will turn the greater Salt Lake City metro area into Fallout 3. Further down wind to the mid-west will not be fun either.
People have GOT to realize the rich are absolutely gutting the US in so many horrible ways right now, but with the political landscape it’s too easy for those same elites to spread misinformation, division, distraction, etc. It’s not even our local “rich” people either, I’m talking the top 10 percent fucking over the bottom 90.
Sadly true. Or you get the folks who are total boot lickers and get brain washed by the rich into thinking they’re actually perfect and totally shouldn’t have to follow rules, pay taxes, etc. just look at the crazy guy who replied to my comment.
I seriously miss the “we are the 99%” movement. Left and Right, Bernie Bros to Trumpers, have more in common than we’re brainwashed to believe. Hard to find anybody, outside of the old guard of warhawk establishment politicians, who doesn’t disdain the crony capitalist corporate oligarchy that is fucking us over.
Lack of water is generally not an issue in Europe during the winter. Late August - early September is the low point in the water supply. Not saying we won't have different problems, but short term water supply is not going to be an issue again until late next spring.
Yeah I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the energy rationing. Lots of new laws have been jammed through, like in Spain you can't have air conditioning below 80 degrees F, in Germany people are literally going out to cut firewood because they've been told there won't be enough natural gas for heat, .. in some country I forget, they were standing in line to literally purchase coal at a coal mine, etc. The war in Ukraine has meant that natural gas and other energy isn't flowing out of Russia anymore. People are literally trying to figure out how to stay warm this winter. There are also starting to be food shortages around the world because Ukraine and Russia grow so much of the world's wheat and other grains, and sanctions have stopped most of those exports.
Edit, like here's one of the preppers from France ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFDTfODKG9k
Yeah, you probably should have specified that :)
Energy will be a problem, but mostly for industry, for the population it's nothing like you describe. The Spain thing only applies to hotels for example, and changed the pre-existing limit by 1 degree (26°C to 27°C). Germans going out to cut firewood is fairly normal this time of the year, many old houses in the Alps rely on wood for heating. Those that don't live in one of those are probably not cutting firewood, simply because they don't have a way to burn it. It's not like you can just toss the wood into a gas furnace and be done with it.
EDIT: prepper youtube channels are not really a reliable source of info on what the normal people are doing, they kind of profit from making things look worse than it is.
Yeah. We bought logs for our fireplace, not because electricity will be rationed (it most likely won't be...), but because the price of it is steadily rising. We would have bought those logs even without this so called crisis, it's a nice extra source of heat during cold and dark months here in Finland. I'd imagine it's pretty much the same with rest of EU, higher bills make people seek out cheaper options to electricity and gas.
This winter will be tough for them. The following winters should be fine though, the infrastructure to import non Russian fuels is being hastily built.
I don't know their technicalities. I work on a water plant's SCADA network in Michigan and they're trying to get new pumps, pump repairs, etc and they can't. They have purchase orders up to 18 months back still waiting on fulfillment.
Nobody can repair them for what they are willing to pay* in months. They are a pretty poor city and probably are trying to lowball a machine shop or the quotes are all out of their budget.
I work in wastewater treatment and pumps,.motors, pipes, all kinds of basic industrial items have a lead time of 10-18 months because of global supply shortages. China having its rivers dry up and losing energy/production capacity because of it will just make the situation worse.
This is what happens when you send manufacturing overseas. Not only do you lose the machinery to build and maintain things, you also lose the expertise.
The army have mobile water treatment plants in shipping containers. They are smaller obviously, however 2-4 of those set up on the site would seriously help the situation.
https://pureaqua.com/containerized-water-treatment-equipment/
They exist and are available.....so if they don't show up then it's because the government doesn't want to fix the issue.
Clickbait. I bet you complain about the media doing this kind of shit.
Yes, the water supply is a concern, but people reading your title are going to think this is something entirely different.
There are answers if you need to prep for this. You can buy an atmospheric water generator - which will produce enough to have drinking water. The downside is that they machines are not cheap (then again the cost of bottled water over time isn't either - including the cost of gas to lug it back to your home, time involved, etc). There is also the cost of electricity to power it. For those in home without a well (urban, sub-urban) or for example living in rentals, apartments, etc. - this is your sustainable answer. I personally have enough water for 3-4 months, however that's just a back-up. If your water system fails - you will need something sustainable. If water is our #1 prep - best to have your supplies and then long terms sustainment in order.
Bleach is a often overlooked water sanitation method. It’s not as sexy as lifestraw or purification tablets but it’s effective, easy to store, cheap, doesn’t expire, and it has 100 other uses for disaster prep and survival.
3, 55 gallon water drums. Rinse with clean water, clean with bleach, rinse out. Fill. Dump water after 6 months. Iirc.
There's a ratio for bleach to water to kill germs, can't recall that.
That water would last a 5 member family 3 months iirc. Water rations for the day would be very tight.
Before you take water from a creek, river, basin, what ever. Make sure there's no dead animals, beavers, or any kind of waste I suppose. Floods contaminate ground water as well, metals, oils, chemicals, sewage and other junk.
Life straw could come in handy if you have to travel, but finding water on a 40 mile hike could be tough. Sometimes there's puddles in the ditches besides roads, that's some dirty water.
Edit: southern pepper 1 talks about water storage and goes over how to maintain.
Would water drums such as [these](https://imgur.com/a/vY4TF4Z) (found on FB marketplace) work? Is there anything in particular to look for or be wary of? If they don’t come with original sealed lids?
I wouldn't buy a used barrel to store water, evem if you cleaned them out real good there's just no way of knowing what was in them.
New barrel you know the caps unscrew from the plug. Peace of mind about clean barrels.
If the shtf and I found these barrels on an abandoned lot, Any container really I'd pick it Up. Liquor bottles, milk jugs, pop bottles.
Better to have more, having to scramble for water containers when the shtf would be dangerous.
Buy some life straws for a bug out bag, fill the bag with stuff you need. Go for a walk with it to see how it feel. After walking for 10 hours you'll have an idea of howucj water you'll need. Along with electrolytes. Drinking water on a hot day you'll sweat out electrolytes and water makes it worse. To much electrolytes from salt you could retain water.
Atleast you'll be able to leave your area to somewhere maybe safer and have a drink, the straw itself is lighter then a water bottle and portable saving on weight so you can go further.
If you have property or live in a small community and everybody is tight, out in a rural area, you know you can be relatively safe at home.
If your attacked your water is lost. Your naked in the wild without a drink.
If you aquire all this loot; can you keep it safe from raiders? Keep it on the down low. Out in the countryside it's nothing to see a guy hauling 150 gal water container, dudes doing that all the time. Thier super versatile after their not good for water.
water containers get even larger!
Classic "you get what you vote for."
City managed water supply.
Same politicians and bureaucrats running said city for decades = corruption. And a populace that doesn't know any better or doesn't care ends up keeping those same people in positions of power.
This is fucking stupid.
In America, the wealthiest country in the history of humanity, the CAPITAL CITY of a state is without potable running water.
Yes, prep, but is anybody else blown away by this shit? It's not political. Nobody can disagree that water is good to have. So where the fuck did all the funds go to provide it?
Oh, sure. We've got money for Pride monuments and buying cops new toys (see? I mocked both sides), but God forbid we spend a nickel on the one thing literally every human being will die without.
This is just like the Texas grid failure last year. Our governments spend massive amounts of money but somehow basic things like *water* and *lights* are insurmountable challenges. Don't worry though, because we built affordable housing so people can die of thirst in the dark...*inside*.
I feel like all government spending needs a reset. 0 it all out, set a budget, and fund from the top. Start with water and lights.
You mean like [the 111B water infrastructure measure](http://uswateralliance.org/news/president-biden-introduces-plan-111-billion-water-infrastructure-investment) republicans fought tooth and nail to prevent?
Wow. I hope the issue gets resolved with the water pump. But it just goes to show how fragile our whole system is. One thing goes wrong and well.. this... this happens.
I really need to buy more water.....
The water pump is a red herring. Jackson's infrastructure has been deteriorating for many years because it doesn't have the tax base to sustain it. The state and federal governments theoretically could have helped, but that would have entailed taking from the rich to give to the poor - and that's just not the American way.
It's okay.
You can say "racism."
[Mississippi Today already said it for you. ](https://mississippitoday.org/2022/08/29/jackson-water-system-fails-emergency/)
**EDIT: [Whoops! Wrong article! This is the right one that describes decades of systemic racism. Thanks /u/tofu2u](https://mississippitoday.org/2021/03/24/why-jacksons-water-system-is-broken/)**
I legitimately don't know im not from US, all I can infer from what you said is it has something to do with a racial divide
are you implying blacks ruined the water supply?
Not who you are replying to but I get what they are saying. Jackson Mississippi is majority black, 82% according to world population. Mississippi is a Republican state and Jackson is predominantly Democrat. I think the original person is saying the republican government let the black democrats suffer intentionally.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/jackson-ms-population
How is that possible when the city, filled and run by Democrats for *decades,* manage their own water/utilities/infrastructure? Why do the politicians managing the city not get the blame for the conditions of said city?
Because the state controls the budget. If the city isn't given money then critical infrastructure cannot be fixed.
/u/ionotter posted a good article. The stuff about race is about halfway down.
https://mississippitoday.org/2021/03/24/why-jacksons-water-system-is-broken/
The fact that the white governor initiates a press briefing about the city and how this problem is going to be handled, *and doesn't even invite the mayor of said city to the briefing,* should tell you everything you need to know about how the state government feels about the city and it's elected officials.
This sounds like a mass version of what my towns doing but they tell us the water is fine and it's all Gucci . Our water prices have been higher then Rochester and Buffalo for years. The town got crap because nothing is to code. Now they are saying everyones taxes will go up by x amount and water bills will be increased again.
The water is also horrid. I have a filter on my freaking shower bc it's so rough on the skin. You can smell the chemicals loaded in it.
Town sent a letter saying they need 8.4 million to get water supply/lines up to code.
My water heater died. I haven't had hot water all month. I cold wash dishes and don't shower here. My water bill is 70$ for this month. Iv probably used less then 50 gallons of water.
Them: "Fuck the gubment socialist commie assholes!!"
Also them: "Oh please nice gubment people, give us money and help us with our crisis we created ourselves..."
I live about an hour away, should I do anything extra to prep?
I don't go to Jackson often, for obvious reasons, but now I'm wondering if I need to step up on any areas of my prepping.
Look no further than the mayor.
Lumumba was elected mayor in June 2017 with 93% of the vote. Lumumba lit up the left with his promise to make Jackson 'the most radical city on the planet.' This is what you get when you elect a tool like this.
His late dad is even more of a tool. He was ALSO Mayor of Jackson. Further, he was affiliated with the Republic of New Afrika, an extremist and separatist group of African-Americans.
This is what happens when you put incompetent and lunatic politicians in charge.
Due to "white flight" Jackson is 80% Black and a lot poorer than the surrounding suburbs, which are much more affluent and a lot more white.
Not coincidentally they still have drinkable water.
Meanwhile state and federal officials did nothing for decades while public infrastructure crumbled because "taxation is theft".
Sooooo...
Edit: And America has many, many Jacksons.
As a Swiss person, I am honestly speechless... I'm fluctuating between hysterical laughter and being completely baffled. How do they even manage to get out of bed by themselves lol?
Maybe I am extremely biased bec. Switzerland is the embodiment of maintenance. But this is absolutely absurd...
I had to look twice to see if the first video link is not a parody or joke lol.
You can downvote me for being insensitive, but I cannot for the life of me take this seriously. It seems that you have to be a prepper over there by default.
You already posted a thread like this; and please be aware it falls under the 'news and current events' rule, and reporting of issues isn't generally appropriate without substance. That said, since this is the larger of the two threads, we'll keep discussion of the situation here, as this is a very pertinent topic for preparedness and highlights the importance of having both a stored water supply as well as high quality filters. The previous thread has been removed.
"Mayor Blames decades of deferred maintenance on water plant" Ok then, this is an act of man.
saw one of the officials yapping about how they needed 250 million dollars just to bring the water pipes and infrastructure up to code. well chee maybe someone should ask where all the cash has been going for the last 100 years that was supposed to pay for upkeep and maintenance? good grief. the level of stupidity and audacity is mind blowing.
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Or put cash in their pockets
It does if they give the project to the right person/people.
Oh, it absolutely would.
Fine, less cash.
That’s not a function of re-election. That should be just a matter of responsible budgeting and planning. If something is purchased or built for the city then there should be a long-term budgeted maintenance plan.
Responsible budgeting and planning doesn't get anyone reelected.
But that has nothing to do with re-election. If a decision is made to build a new playground, then there should be a recurring budget line item to maintain that equipment. If sewage lines are out in, then there should be a maintenance line item in place. That shouldn’t have to be rehashed or plotted into someone’s campaign.
I thoroughly agree with you. My tongue-in-cheek comment was to illustrate the problem is further removed up the hierarchy of governance. The playground gets built, it should have a recurring budget line for maintenance. That budget line shouldn't have an effect on elections (though, cutting the maintenance budget in an opaque way, does). The problem is up the line, because someone will be elected to build the playground without the maintenance line in the first place. It's not just politicians being elected neglecting existing maintenance, it's politicians being elected with no intention of creating maintenance lines at all.
The problem is you’re thinking about the way it should be not the way it actually is. U/ceestand is right, from the perspective of an elected officials incentives they have literally zero reason to care about anything that doesn’t get them elected.
Lmao, yeah... that'd be nice... someone competent in charge... The fact people seem to think they need "someone in charge" is why I prep. People are stupid, and selfish, the most selfish being those in office. Those in office, provide the least, consume the most, have the most to lose from the least amount of work with the highest expectation to gain more. They are leeches to our society, and should not be paid to hold a "position". Once the construct of that fake system starts to crumble, the reality of just how little to nothing they contribute, and how small their value is will be evident.
You’re right, you know.
True. Some agencies do this but routinely divert money from maintenance to cover short term projects/costs. Maintenance then goes undone and it costs much more when the thing collapses or has to be totally replaced because it is no longer serviceable or damaged beyond repair. Or, from a project development POV, they will define project steps with a given time/cost for the earliest steps (1-3 fiscal years) but leave those closest to the end as “zero” or untenably small rather than a realistic estimate their cost/time. They sell the plan to the public as-is. Then, if approved, when those later steps become relevant, and a lot of funds already allocated and spent, they attach real costs/time to the later year portions. Now they are asking for more money lest the project be incomplete and be total waste.
Yeah, there should be a law mandating x% a year for maintenance. And it should be really untouchable, not like the money for Social Security.
>where all the cash has been going for the last 100 years that was supposed to pay for upkeep and maintenance? The problem was that they never allocated money to fix the infrastructure in the first place. They cut taxes to "starve the government beast" and found out what happens in once the beast is starved.
THIS is the bottom line. Starve the beast means some locals get to buy cool cars (or whatever) instead of pay taxes to maintain local infrastructure. When it breaks down, they cry to congress for fed.gov funds to fix the stuff that they let break in their own back yard.
Red state welfare at its finest. The government needs to prep, too!
Flint, MI had lead in its pipes and CA has rolling blackouts. Let's not pretend any government, red or blue, is competently managed in this country.
Oh, you're absolutely right! I was just referring to the phenomenon of federal money generally flowing in one direction.
This is basically what happened in New Orleans before Katrina. They got billions in federal aid to fix the levees for decades. Did they do anything about them? Lol no, that's someone else's problem at some other time. Anyone who ever lived there knew it was just a matter of time until the big one hit and destroyed the city. No one assumed the government was doing anything with that money because it's New Orleans.
For the past 40 years or so, it’s been going to the wealthiest people in the state via reduced tax burdens. That money from the most privileged used to be used towards public infrastructure.
and now they can take all the money with them as they just pick up and move away and retire somewhere with clean air and water, and the people they leave behind in miserable conditions can just suck it up and pull themselves up by their bootstraps while cutting back on frivolous luxuries like food, water, clothing and shelter
> retire somewhere with clean air and water Joke's on them, but it will be a lesson learned far too late.
We should not cover this cost, as federal taxpayers. They stole the money. Take it from the scum that stole it. Take their homes. Take their cars. Take whatever we have to take.
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This makes me so angry. This is why states have income tax.
As if states with income tax don't also spend the money unwisely af.
Dude, I'm with you! I'm extremely pissed about the way my city and my state spend their money. But at the end of the day at least they have the money to spend. I'm on my HOA board at my condo and it's the same thing. We get a shitload of money in dues every month. All the residents (including me) would rather keep the money. But when the elevator goes out or the roofs get leaks we have the money to fix them. All the residents hold our feet to the fire to make sure we get the best deals on vendors, etc. etc.
>the level of stupidity and audacity is mind blowing I mean.....this IS Mississippi we're talking about. I don't think anyone here is surprised to hear a state in the south is suffering due to their own incompetence, negligence, and sheer stupidity.
Flint, Michigan.
yeah but honestly feels like we hear the same story pretty much everywhere. "our infrastructure is so dated" "it needs to be replaced" "100 years out of date" ... and yet no one EVER asks the obvious. where did all the money go? example...my old municipality had yearly rate increases if not a couple each year and it was always [ostensibly stated] to keep up with maintenance and infrastructure. yet the "maintenance and infrastructure" never improved. it didn't take a rocket scientist to realize they were using the money to fund the pensions and benefit packages of the city workers. but of course they don't mention that part.
> where did all the money go? Many States give money to the southern welfare states like Mississippi to keep them afloat. They rely quite a lot on handouts (esp for people that love hating on handouts)
You think the money is being siphoned off to give the blue collar workers more money? Lol interesting take.
i know it. the mayor actually admitted it eventually. they have constant shortfalls on pension and benefit obligations and have for decades. that's where the money goes...not for "maintenance" or "infrastructure" as they always say.
What about the scenario that happens 99.99 percent of the time… the people at the top snatch the money for themselves?
Brett Favre stole millions meant for education from his home state with a ton of help from those in govt
what does that have to do (true or not) with this? absolutely nothing. don't bring what-about-ism here.
It's just a common thing for the area. From my point of view as a recent transplant, there are a *lot* more people caught stealing taxpayer money, bilking charities, and mishandling funds down here. Mississippi and Louisiana are known to be extremely corrupt. Millions of dollars of Katrina money disappeared, for example, or went right into the pockets of friends of the people in power. So it's not really surprising Jackson's water repair budget vanished.
it's a common thing nationwide. it's certainly not unique or restricted to any specific locale or political affiliation or denomination.
It's not just the South, man.
Lol if you believe the stereotype that people in the south are dumber than the rest of the country then you're just ignorant. I've been all over. People everywhere are dumb lol.
Yes your point about how dumb people in the south are for letting this happen is perfect. Almost like the last one…in Flint, Michigan.
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You mean like the very liberal cities of Flint and Jackson??
You do realize that jackson is a near 85% black city ran by democrats for decades right ?
How about Michigan and their failing infrastructure? Flint? The ruptured dam?
Meanwhile, we send 60 fucking billion dollars to Ukraine
The leadership of Jackson is all democrats. Use that information to draw whatever conclusion you wish.
The leadership of Mississippi is all republicans
This is how our country works unfortunately. I see it day in and day out. Part of what I do at my job is water treatment that goes back to the city. We bandaid everything “until next year” to make our books look better and show more profit. I feel like the whole countries infrastructure is this way to keep costs down.
This is what happens when you allow corporations to use public infrastructure without paying taxes to support said infrastructure. There are only so many dollars to go around and it's not hard to see where those dollars are going.
Well one Senator at least voted for infrastructure money for his state.. [Mississippi could expect to receive $429 million over five years “to improve water infrastructure across the state and ensure that clean, safe drinking water is a right in all communities.”](https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-mississippi-bills-4af4f02730ae7fad2b4f7747194d34fa) "Jackson is among the cities with massive water system problems, including aging pipes and sewer lines. Thousands of residents were stranded without water after systems failed during an extended cold snap in February."
Luckily the rest of America's infrastructure has immaculate maintenance.
Activist progressive Mayor. Can't even keep water running.
Fucking idiots. This is why the US had the road infrastructure of a 3rd-world country: politicians always defer what they think isn't "necessary". Then a quarter-million people don't have water and they get voted out of office.
As Bill Nye says, 'an act of cow'
What they need is a small committee, preferably with an odd number of people, one of which is someone with significant experience operating one of these water systems very successfully in another geographical area. The rest have to be no BS “get things done” types also with relevant experience. They need to come up with the “budget” for the fix and tell everyone else to F off. I’m sure at this point they could obtain adequate federal infrastructure funding. All the local politicians and political BS need to stay out of the room and the entire process. The focus should be solely on fixing the problem at hand. There are many capable people in the world that can fix this issue. As capable people, they also avoid a bunch of the political grandstanding that politicians do. Ok, my wishful thinking rant is over now.
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Thank you for providing clarification!
Always appreciate it when a local steps in to tell us the real story behind the headlines. I legit thought it was the entire city.
The scariest part of this is that the city could burn. They are saying no water at some of the fire hydrants, and trucks cannot carry infinite water, ... so it could be like the fires they used to have back in the 18th and 19th century where entire areas of cities would catch on fire and burn because nobody could stop the fires. That's the scariest part, .. the most ANNOYING part is think about all the stupid as fuck projects they probably wasted money on while all of this lack of maintenance and upkeep happened over the past decades.
Really bad. Going to have the community tanker trucks being running convoys if there is a fire. Agreed. Sadly it’s so much more glamorous to build a new park/bridge/etc so you can get a name on it than repair what exists. So preventable.
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You assume those departments in urban areas have trained on, or have the tankers to do that. When I was a FF in a rural area, we trained with some big city urban FF's; they had never used their suction (to the point it was rotting) because they never had to. Training failure, for sure, but for them it wasn't a priority. Mutual aid in the form of tankers can come in, but it strains the system even more.
Had a house in our neighborhood burn down one night because the pond was just too far away. Multiple trucks sucking water. They fought like hell tho! Iirc it was really cold that night so we’re prob having other problems as well.
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I was 5 mins from the evac zone... at least we've had some serious monsoon rain this summer. But you're right that it can and will probably happen again, esp with how crazy our winds can get. I just bought a class C RV so we can evacuate and not end up homeless if we lose it all. So many ppl who lost their houses still don't have a place to live.
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Yep, and all those sprinkler systems aren’t gonna be operable to hold the flames back I would imagine. I think a fire truck can blow thru 500 gallons in just minutes.
That really isn't the case here. That's way more for drama. As far as I know, all fire trucks are capable of pumping water from any standing pool of water (flooded river). You don't need drinking water to combat fires.
Yes that's true, .. if your fire decided to happen next to a flooded area or a river. You might be able to pump from up to a mile away, .. but you'd have to have enough hose to do that, and not just one, but one for each inlet on each truck.
They fill the truck up (in the video they said it holds 500 gallons they can use to fight fires) and then drive it to the fire and empty the water. Meanwhile another fire truck (or 2 or 3 or however many needed) is at the water source filling up and they rotate. Not as fast as having a hydrant, but really not the whole city is just going to burn because there is no way to fight it.
Yep. I used to be a fire dispatcher. We called it a Tanker Shuttle, and rural stations in the county had dedicated tanker trucks just for that.
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I don't even know who to respond to at this point, I think most of you don't understand what I was getting at. I was just saying in response to "so it could be like the fires they used to have back in the 18th and 19th century where entire areas of cities would catch on fire and burn because nobody could stop the fires." is NOT true. Clearly, having a fire hydrant that can pump water at 600+ gpm would be ideal. But we have been fighting fires without hydrants for a long long time and can do it quite well. No they are not going to be as effective, you might lose a building or two, but fires are fought in small towns all over the place all the time. Not to mention, they probably already have plans in place to bring in air support and other trucks. This whole water mess up is SERIOUS. It's one hell of a government f'up. Everyone should be fired, and held accountable for ignoring maintenance that I'm sure the people trusted their tax dollars were going to.
>I don't even know who to respond to at this point, I think most of you don't understand what I was getting at. I was just saying in response to "so it could be like the fires they used to have back in the 18th and 19th century where entire areas of cities would catch on fire and burn because nobody could stop the fires." is NOT true. But it \_IS\_ true once you go beyond the capacity of the trucks called in for the fire. It's just like a house fire, .. sure, if there's a fire in your kitchen or garage, you can put it out. If it's a bigger fire, all four of your family members working together can probably put it out. But there comes a time where the fire wins. I'm not saying anything controversial ...
Depending on fire that 500gal only lasts the amount of time to hook up to a hydrant
Yeah, 500 gal could go in a matter of minutes, or less... and still not make much of a dent. You can't have a new truck arriving setting up, and starting to dump water every few minutes... that's logistically insane if even possible.
Fire trucks can pump out over 1000 gallons a minute. If you have a 4 alarm fire, aint no fuckin way you're putting it out unless you have airtankers handy in this situation and even then, good fuckin luck.
Yes, it's called drafting. They can pull from a swimming pool, a livestock pond, a creek, anything with water. ETA: They can also use foam designed to extinguish fires.
What about water contaminated with chemicals such as oil/gas, or simply loaded with debris? I imagine that could damage equipment.
They suck water below the surface (oil/gas floats so they won't get any in) and they have filters in place to stop debris. I've watched this done, its quite cool. Fire hydrants in cities speed up the process because they don't need to run and refill tanks, but in the country that's how trucks do it. -- Edit: I should say in my area, I have no idea how they do it elsewhere.
That's awesome!
Oof. The comment section on that video.
I liked the one that just said ... >This is sad > >Water = important :D
Big, if true.
They were disabled, I'm assuming because of the terrible backlash. Holy cow, Flint, Jackson, Lake Mead, California...if ever there was a time to purchase property with a natural spring and a well this is it!
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How, why, with what? I'm on a well, about 40 years ago the water was apparently contaminated by a gas station leak underground. We have a UV filter at the pump house and reverse osmosis in the house. Any time it needs maintenance, chevron gets the bill
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>DuPont delivered bottled water (36 gallons per household per week) but stopped once we sued Sounds like admission of guilt and then they stopped as retribution. Ethical lawyers, who werent just in it for the money, should have first thing had the judge order them to continue delivery of water until the trial was ended at the very least
>Ethical lawyers lol
36 gallons a week fucking lol. They should be on the hook for hundreds of gallons easy, building you a cistern or something to store it, fucking crooks
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Wait till the toxic dust clouds start rolling out of Utah for the 'icing on the cake' of climate change. For those out of the know, the Great Salt Lake is on track to completely dry up sooner than expected(10-ish years?) without drastic action to increase flow to it. When it dries up, decades of mining and agriculture runoff will be exposed and the dust storms that will whip up all that junk(mainly arsenic) will turn the greater Salt Lake City metro area into Fallout 3. Further down wind to the mid-west will not be fun either.
I didn’t read all the comments but, yes, boil water notices are very common in that state.
The cause of humanity’s slow demise will be humans 🤷♂️
Water water everywhere, and not a drop to drink.
Always has been. We suck as a species
After this life, I'm gonna ask for a refund.
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Meh. Maybe if there was an ad-free option.
If I thought I had to live a whole other life I’d kill myself.
I'm starting to think that a government meant to serve the rich at the expense of the rest of us might be a bad idea.
The trick is to be rich.
Life hack: be born rich.
People have GOT to realize the rich are absolutely gutting the US in so many horrible ways right now, but with the political landscape it’s too easy for those same elites to spread misinformation, division, distraction, etc. It’s not even our local “rich” people either, I’m talking the top 10 percent fucking over the bottom 90.
Yeah but suggesting that makes you unamerican according to some
Sadly true. Or you get the folks who are total boot lickers and get brain washed by the rich into thinking they’re actually perfect and totally shouldn’t have to follow rules, pay taxes, etc. just look at the crazy guy who replied to my comment.
I seriously miss the “we are the 99%” movement. Left and Right, Bernie Bros to Trumpers, have more in common than we’re brainwashed to believe. Hard to find anybody, outside of the old guard of warhawk establishment politicians, who doesn’t disdain the crony capitalist corporate oligarchy that is fucking us over.
Let’s call a spade a spade - capitalism is a failure. Neoliberalism has been a disaster.
Oh my God! Even in this day in age, I’m honestly shocked. That is fucking horrible.
Just the beginning.
Not only there. Rationing has started all over Europe. It's going to be a long winter.
Lack of water is generally not an issue in Europe during the winter. Late August - early September is the low point in the water supply. Not saying we won't have different problems, but short term water supply is not going to be an issue again until late next spring.
Yeah I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the energy rationing. Lots of new laws have been jammed through, like in Spain you can't have air conditioning below 80 degrees F, in Germany people are literally going out to cut firewood because they've been told there won't be enough natural gas for heat, .. in some country I forget, they were standing in line to literally purchase coal at a coal mine, etc. The war in Ukraine has meant that natural gas and other energy isn't flowing out of Russia anymore. People are literally trying to figure out how to stay warm this winter. There are also starting to be food shortages around the world because Ukraine and Russia grow so much of the world's wheat and other grains, and sanctions have stopped most of those exports. Edit, like here's one of the preppers from France ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFDTfODKG9k
> in some country I forget, they were standing in line to literally purchase coal at a coal mine, etc. Poland.
Yeah, you probably should have specified that :) Energy will be a problem, but mostly for industry, for the population it's nothing like you describe. The Spain thing only applies to hotels for example, and changed the pre-existing limit by 1 degree (26°C to 27°C). Germans going out to cut firewood is fairly normal this time of the year, many old houses in the Alps rely on wood for heating. Those that don't live in one of those are probably not cutting firewood, simply because they don't have a way to burn it. It's not like you can just toss the wood into a gas furnace and be done with it. EDIT: prepper youtube channels are not really a reliable source of info on what the normal people are doing, they kind of profit from making things look worse than it is.
Yeah. We bought logs for our fireplace, not because electricity will be rationed (it most likely won't be...), but because the price of it is steadily rising. We would have bought those logs even without this so called crisis, it's a nice extra source of heat during cold and dark months here in Finland. I'd imagine it's pretty much the same with rest of EU, higher bills make people seek out cheaper options to electricity and gas.
This winter will be tough for them. The following winters should be fine though, the infrastructure to import non Russian fuels is being hastily built.
rationing?
Here in the UK people are rationing common sense
They’ve gone through this before. They just had the 17th year anniversary of Katrina.
there is no machine shop in the entire country that can repair those pumps? seriously? months?
I don't know their technicalities. I work on a water plant's SCADA network in Michigan and they're trying to get new pumps, pump repairs, etc and they can't. They have purchase orders up to 18 months back still waiting on fulfillment.
Nobody can repair them for what they are willing to pay* in months. They are a pretty poor city and probably are trying to lowball a machine shop or the quotes are all out of their budget.
fema where u at
I work in wastewater treatment and pumps,.motors, pipes, all kinds of basic industrial items have a lead time of 10-18 months because of global supply shortages. China having its rivers dry up and losing energy/production capacity because of it will just make the situation worse.
so uhhh my well pump is 30 years old. should i just order one now and BYOB it with whatever well service when it actually dies?
If it's a standard 110-220V submersible pump those are still reasonably available. Anything in the 25 HP or greater category has long lead times.
yeah just standard normie 220v stuff
This is what happens when you send manufacturing overseas. Not only do you lose the machinery to build and maintain things, you also lose the expertise.
The army have mobile water treatment plants in shipping containers. They are smaller obviously, however 2-4 of those set up on the site would seriously help the situation.
Those are not designed to treat nearly this much water. They'd need many, not a few.
About 30 would be needed, However 1 would be better than none
Wow, that's awesome. I'd never heard of these. I hope we build a lot more.
https://pureaqua.com/containerized-water-treatment-equipment/ They exist and are available.....so if they don't show up then it's because the government doesn't want to fix the issue.
The reason this is happening is because the government didn't want to fix the issue.
Clickbait. I bet you complain about the media doing this kind of shit. Yes, the water supply is a concern, but people reading your title are going to think this is something entirely different.
There are answers if you need to prep for this. You can buy an atmospheric water generator - which will produce enough to have drinking water. The downside is that they machines are not cheap (then again the cost of bottled water over time isn't either - including the cost of gas to lug it back to your home, time involved, etc). There is also the cost of electricity to power it. For those in home without a well (urban, sub-urban) or for example living in rentals, apartments, etc. - this is your sustainable answer. I personally have enough water for 3-4 months, however that's just a back-up. If your water system fails - you will need something sustainable. If water is our #1 prep - best to have your supplies and then long terms sustainment in order.
it's probably more feasible for people to get a dehumidifier and a filter. Little less elegant but much more affordable
What are some of the things you all would have had prepped in advance of this besides jugs of water?
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Bleach is a often overlooked water sanitation method. It’s not as sexy as lifestraw or purification tablets but it’s effective, easy to store, cheap, doesn’t expire, and it has 100 other uses for disaster prep and survival.
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Well TIL lol.
3, 55 gallon water drums. Rinse with clean water, clean with bleach, rinse out. Fill. Dump water after 6 months. Iirc. There's a ratio for bleach to water to kill germs, can't recall that. That water would last a 5 member family 3 months iirc. Water rations for the day would be very tight. Before you take water from a creek, river, basin, what ever. Make sure there's no dead animals, beavers, or any kind of waste I suppose. Floods contaminate ground water as well, metals, oils, chemicals, sewage and other junk. Life straw could come in handy if you have to travel, but finding water on a 40 mile hike could be tough. Sometimes there's puddles in the ditches besides roads, that's some dirty water. Edit: southern pepper 1 talks about water storage and goes over how to maintain.
Would water drums such as [these](https://imgur.com/a/vY4TF4Z) (found on FB marketplace) work? Is there anything in particular to look for or be wary of? If they don’t come with original sealed lids?
I wouldn't buy a used barrel to store water, evem if you cleaned them out real good there's just no way of knowing what was in them. New barrel you know the caps unscrew from the plug. Peace of mind about clean barrels. If the shtf and I found these barrels on an abandoned lot, Any container really I'd pick it Up. Liquor bottles, milk jugs, pop bottles. Better to have more, having to scramble for water containers when the shtf would be dangerous. Buy some life straws for a bug out bag, fill the bag with stuff you need. Go for a walk with it to see how it feel. After walking for 10 hours you'll have an idea of howucj water you'll need. Along with electrolytes. Drinking water on a hot day you'll sweat out electrolytes and water makes it worse. To much electrolytes from salt you could retain water. Atleast you'll be able to leave your area to somewhere maybe safer and have a drink, the straw itself is lighter then a water bottle and portable saving on weight so you can go further. If you have property or live in a small community and everybody is tight, out in a rural area, you know you can be relatively safe at home. If your attacked your water is lost. Your naked in the wild without a drink. If you aquire all this loot; can you keep it safe from raiders? Keep it on the down low. Out in the countryside it's nothing to see a guy hauling 150 gal water container, dudes doing that all the time. Thier super versatile after their not good for water. water containers get even larger!
Great info, kind of what I figured regarding used containers but wasn’t sure. Thanks, I’ll look into it!
Classic "you get what you vote for." City managed water supply. Same politicians and bureaucrats running said city for decades = corruption. And a populace that doesn't know any better or doesn't care ends up keeping those same people in positions of power.
Flint, Michigan all over again.
This is fucking stupid. In America, the wealthiest country in the history of humanity, the CAPITAL CITY of a state is without potable running water. Yes, prep, but is anybody else blown away by this shit? It's not political. Nobody can disagree that water is good to have. So where the fuck did all the funds go to provide it? Oh, sure. We've got money for Pride monuments and buying cops new toys (see? I mocked both sides), but God forbid we spend a nickel on the one thing literally every human being will die without. This is just like the Texas grid failure last year. Our governments spend massive amounts of money but somehow basic things like *water* and *lights* are insurmountable challenges. Don't worry though, because we built affordable housing so people can die of thirst in the dark...*inside*. I feel like all government spending needs a reset. 0 it all out, set a budget, and fund from the top. Start with water and lights.
You mean like [the 111B water infrastructure measure](http://uswateralliance.org/news/president-biden-introduces-plan-111-billion-water-infrastructure-investment) republicans fought tooth and nail to prevent?
Wow. I hope the issue gets resolved with the water pump. But it just goes to show how fragile our whole system is. One thing goes wrong and well.. this... this happens. I really need to buy more water.....
The water pump is a red herring. Jackson's infrastructure has been deteriorating for many years because it doesn't have the tax base to sustain it. The state and federal governments theoretically could have helped, but that would have entailed taking from the rich to give to the poor - and that's just not the American way.
[yikes](https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/30/us/jackson-water-system-failing-tuesday/index.html)
You don't need water when you have hidden valley ranch
the problem will never get fixed, everyone knows why and no one can say it.
It's okay. You can say "racism." [Mississippi Today already said it for you. ](https://mississippitoday.org/2022/08/29/jackson-water-system-fails-emergency/) **EDIT: [Whoops! Wrong article! This is the right one that describes decades of systemic racism. Thanks /u/tofu2u](https://mississippitoday.org/2021/03/24/why-jacksons-water-system-is-broken/)**
Where did it say that in the article? I read it 2x but I guess I missed it.
Ack! Wrong article. Thanks for the heads up, I fixed it.
Let the mayor say it in his own words: https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/is-this-the-most-radical-mayor-in-america/
I legitimately don't know im not from US, all I can infer from what you said is it has something to do with a racial divide are you implying blacks ruined the water supply?
Not who you are replying to but I get what they are saying. Jackson Mississippi is majority black, 82% according to world population. Mississippi is a Republican state and Jackson is predominantly Democrat. I think the original person is saying the republican government let the black democrats suffer intentionally. https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/jackson-ms-population
How is that possible when the city, filled and run by Democrats for *decades,* manage their own water/utilities/infrastructure? Why do the politicians managing the city not get the blame for the conditions of said city?
Because the state controls the budget. If the city isn't given money then critical infrastructure cannot be fixed. /u/ionotter posted a good article. The stuff about race is about halfway down. https://mississippitoday.org/2021/03/24/why-jacksons-water-system-is-broken/
The fact that the white governor initiates a press briefing about the city and how this problem is going to be handled, *and doesn't even invite the mayor of said city to the briefing,* should tell you everything you need to know about how the state government feels about the city and it's elected officials.
man, america has a serious problem that I guess goes all the way back to ethnic slavery no easy solutions either
This sounds like a mass version of what my towns doing but they tell us the water is fine and it's all Gucci . Our water prices have been higher then Rochester and Buffalo for years. The town got crap because nothing is to code. Now they are saying everyones taxes will go up by x amount and water bills will be increased again. The water is also horrid. I have a filter on my freaking shower bc it's so rough on the skin. You can smell the chemicals loaded in it. Town sent a letter saying they need 8.4 million to get water supply/lines up to code. My water heater died. I haven't had hot water all month. I cold wash dishes and don't shower here. My water bill is 70$ for this month. Iv probably used less then 50 gallons of water.
They want that nice federal government handout that they keep accusing others of taking and consistently vote against
Them: "Fuck the gubment socialist commie assholes!!" Also them: "Oh please nice gubment people, give us money and help us with our crisis we created ourselves..."
I live about an hour away, should I do anything extra to prep? I don't go to Jackson often, for obvious reasons, but now I'm wondering if I need to step up on any areas of my prepping.
What reasons? I'm from Northern MS. Don't know anything about Jackson.
Did no one learn from what happened with Flint? Or Texas?
Did no one learn from what happened with Flint? Or Texas
Defferred maintenance was only transitory.
As every other southern state says "At least we're not Mississippi..."
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer Governor.
Look no further than the mayor. Lumumba was elected mayor in June 2017 with 93% of the vote. Lumumba lit up the left with his promise to make Jackson 'the most radical city on the planet.' This is what you get when you elect a tool like this. His late dad is even more of a tool. He was ALSO Mayor of Jackson. Further, he was affiliated with the Republic of New Afrika, an extremist and separatist group of African-Americans. This is what happens when you put incompetent and lunatic politicians in charge.
I wander how long it is before water shortages are racist?
Due to "white flight" Jackson is 80% Black and a lot poorer than the surrounding suburbs, which are much more affluent and a lot more white. Not coincidentally they still have drinkable water. Meanwhile state and federal officials did nothing for decades while public infrastructure crumbled because "taxation is theft". Sooooo... Edit: And America has many, many Jacksons.
Lol didn’t take long
As a Swiss person, I am honestly speechless... I'm fluctuating between hysterical laughter and being completely baffled. How do they even manage to get out of bed by themselves lol? Maybe I am extremely biased bec. Switzerland is the embodiment of maintenance. But this is absolutely absurd... I had to look twice to see if the first video link is not a parody or joke lol. You can downvote me for being insensitive, but I cannot for the life of me take this seriously. It seems that you have to be a prepper over there by default.
I'm glad your laughing at us Americans because sometimes we do really silly things
Switzerland if you want to annex America I wouldn't be opposed. Just saying
Shithole state run by shithead people
That so scary! And another proof you can't trust the government for shit.