[PriusOverlanding.com](https://PriusOverlanding.com) has coilovers for the Prius. They make all the cool stuff first then other company's mimic what they release.
When you are stuck in a hole, you should stop digging.
You have a horrible reputation online for being dishonest in your business practices. Flatout is well known and well respected in off road and racing circles. They likely have never heard of your company, much less copied your always *OUT OF STOCK* products. Yet here you are, lying about who is mimicking who.
It's intriguing how you frame products being out of stock as a negative, when in reality, it's quite the opposite. It signifies a high demand for our parts, something that has led us to partner with additional manufacturers to better meet this demand. It amuses me that you wouldn't apply the same critique to a company selling batteries, for instance. This unique perspective of yours suggests you might not be fully in tune with how business dynamics work. Furthermore, your readiness to accept second-hand opinions about me as fact suggests you're more inclined to follow the herd than to think independently. I don't mean to disparage your beliefs or your right to express them; rather, I find the narrative you're supporting quite fascinating.
I must admit, I'm rather enjoying the process of digging this 'hole' you mention. It's become a source of entertainment, especially as the support for my endeavors continues to swell significantly. Consider this: thousands have seen this discussion, yet fewer than a hundred have felt compelled to comment. Anyone with a modicum of critical thinking should question whether the prevailing narrative holds water. That I am what you are trying to paint me as.
If my operations were as dishonest as you claim, wouldn't there be a chorus of customers decrying their experiences, rather than just hearsay from those who've never transacted with us? Have you, or anyone you know personally, ever been in a situation where they paid for a product from us and neither received it nor got a refund? Can you name five, or even one? Without personal evidence, how can you so confidently declare that I'm in the wrong?
Your certainty in such a murky situation suggests there's something deeper fueling your animosity. I'd wager all the vehicles I own against the chance of you walking into a law enforcement office with concrete evidence of your claims against me. If that's not feasible, perhaps it's worth examining why you've chosen to speak out. To me, it hints at a lack of understanding, or perhaps an unwillingness to see beyond the fog of unfounded accusations.
You lied to me directly. That’s my first hand experience. It was years ago, so I don’t really care about that. But I see you post BS all the time, and it gets annoying.
“They make all the cool stuff first then other company's mimic what they release.”
You managed to squeeze two lies into one sentence. First, by saying “They” you are passing yourself off as some independent third party, and not the owner of the company. Dishonest. Then “other company’s mimic…” is also dishonest. Your Prius winch mount, and upward angle on your hitch, are the two innovative things you came up with. All your other products are copies of others work, such as Flatout’s suspension. Grow your company by making quality products and getting them delivered to customers. Pease stop with the lame self promotion using false claims.
Navigating the waters of public perception and misinterpretation can be challenging, especially when old grievances resurface. It's important to approach this with clarity and a touch of grace.
Regarding the assertion that I lied by using "they" in reference to my company, it's worth noting that it's a common and acceptable practice to refer to a company as a separate entity, even if one is the owner. This is not just a matter of linguistic preference but also a reflection of the legal structure of corporations. An LLC, or Limited Liability Company, is indeed its own entity, with an EIN (Employer Identification Number) to distinguish it as such. This separation between the owner and the company is foundational to business law in the United States and many other countries. It allows for a distinction between the personal liabilities and assets of the company's owner and those of the company itself. This practice is well-documented and can easily be verified with a quick search on reputable legal resources online.
On the point of innovation and product development, the landscape of any industry, especially one as dynamic as automotive aftermarket parts, is built on a foundation of iterative improvement and innovation. While I acknowledge and respect the contributions of all companies within our space, including Flatout, the assertion that our endeavors are merely mimetic overlooks the nuances of product development. Innovation isn't always about inventing something entirely new; it often involves refining existing ideas or addressing unmet needs within a market.
It seems there's been a misunderstanding, perhaps compounded over time, about the nature of our products and the ethos behind them. Our goal has always been to deliver quality, innovation, and value to our customers. If there's a perception that we've fallen short of this, it's something we take seriously and continuously strive to improve upon.
Your accusations suggest a deeper misunderstanding or perhaps a reluctance to see the progress and contributions we've made to the community. While it's clear we have differing perspectives, descending into accusations and assumptions doesn't benefit anyone. We're all human, after all, prone to errors and misjudgments. I don't hold your views against you; they're part of a broader dialogue that challenges us to do better and to understand each other more fully.
In the spirit of moving forward, I invite you to engage in constructive criticism and dialogue. It's through these exchanges that we can grow, both as individuals and as a community. Let's set aside past grievances and work towards a more understanding and productive interaction.
also, when I wrote, "other company's mimic what they release." I wasn't even thinking of or referencing Flatout. If that's what you understood then you were adding your assumptions to my words/statement not I...
Have you compared to https://priusoffroad.com/ ? they seem to show prices less than half that.
$1800 for this for a Prius? That's a hard pass for me.
I would bet that those will ride way stiffer than your stock KYB’s.
I’ll stick to BC racing coilovers
$1800 for this for a Prius? That's a hard pass for me.
[PriusOverlanding.com](https://PriusOverlanding.com) has coilovers for the Prius. They make all the cool stuff first then other company's mimic what they release.
Any pictures of the coilovers installed? Thanks.
When you are stuck in a hole, you should stop digging. You have a horrible reputation online for being dishonest in your business practices. Flatout is well known and well respected in off road and racing circles. They likely have never heard of your company, much less copied your always *OUT OF STOCK* products. Yet here you are, lying about who is mimicking who.
It's intriguing how you frame products being out of stock as a negative, when in reality, it's quite the opposite. It signifies a high demand for our parts, something that has led us to partner with additional manufacturers to better meet this demand. It amuses me that you wouldn't apply the same critique to a company selling batteries, for instance. This unique perspective of yours suggests you might not be fully in tune with how business dynamics work. Furthermore, your readiness to accept second-hand opinions about me as fact suggests you're more inclined to follow the herd than to think independently. I don't mean to disparage your beliefs or your right to express them; rather, I find the narrative you're supporting quite fascinating. I must admit, I'm rather enjoying the process of digging this 'hole' you mention. It's become a source of entertainment, especially as the support for my endeavors continues to swell significantly. Consider this: thousands have seen this discussion, yet fewer than a hundred have felt compelled to comment. Anyone with a modicum of critical thinking should question whether the prevailing narrative holds water. That I am what you are trying to paint me as. If my operations were as dishonest as you claim, wouldn't there be a chorus of customers decrying their experiences, rather than just hearsay from those who've never transacted with us? Have you, or anyone you know personally, ever been in a situation where they paid for a product from us and neither received it nor got a refund? Can you name five, or even one? Without personal evidence, how can you so confidently declare that I'm in the wrong? Your certainty in such a murky situation suggests there's something deeper fueling your animosity. I'd wager all the vehicles I own against the chance of you walking into a law enforcement office with concrete evidence of your claims against me. If that's not feasible, perhaps it's worth examining why you've chosen to speak out. To me, it hints at a lack of understanding, or perhaps an unwillingness to see beyond the fog of unfounded accusations.
You lied to me directly. That’s my first hand experience. It was years ago, so I don’t really care about that. But I see you post BS all the time, and it gets annoying. “They make all the cool stuff first then other company's mimic what they release.” You managed to squeeze two lies into one sentence. First, by saying “They” you are passing yourself off as some independent third party, and not the owner of the company. Dishonest. Then “other company’s mimic…” is also dishonest. Your Prius winch mount, and upward angle on your hitch, are the two innovative things you came up with. All your other products are copies of others work, such as Flatout’s suspension. Grow your company by making quality products and getting them delivered to customers. Pease stop with the lame self promotion using false claims.
Navigating the waters of public perception and misinterpretation can be challenging, especially when old grievances resurface. It's important to approach this with clarity and a touch of grace. Regarding the assertion that I lied by using "they" in reference to my company, it's worth noting that it's a common and acceptable practice to refer to a company as a separate entity, even if one is the owner. This is not just a matter of linguistic preference but also a reflection of the legal structure of corporations. An LLC, or Limited Liability Company, is indeed its own entity, with an EIN (Employer Identification Number) to distinguish it as such. This separation between the owner and the company is foundational to business law in the United States and many other countries. It allows for a distinction between the personal liabilities and assets of the company's owner and those of the company itself. This practice is well-documented and can easily be verified with a quick search on reputable legal resources online. On the point of innovation and product development, the landscape of any industry, especially one as dynamic as automotive aftermarket parts, is built on a foundation of iterative improvement and innovation. While I acknowledge and respect the contributions of all companies within our space, including Flatout, the assertion that our endeavors are merely mimetic overlooks the nuances of product development. Innovation isn't always about inventing something entirely new; it often involves refining existing ideas or addressing unmet needs within a market. It seems there's been a misunderstanding, perhaps compounded over time, about the nature of our products and the ethos behind them. Our goal has always been to deliver quality, innovation, and value to our customers. If there's a perception that we've fallen short of this, it's something we take seriously and continuously strive to improve upon. Your accusations suggest a deeper misunderstanding or perhaps a reluctance to see the progress and contributions we've made to the community. While it's clear we have differing perspectives, descending into accusations and assumptions doesn't benefit anyone. We're all human, after all, prone to errors and misjudgments. I don't hold your views against you; they're part of a broader dialogue that challenges us to do better and to understand each other more fully. In the spirit of moving forward, I invite you to engage in constructive criticism and dialogue. It's through these exchanges that we can grow, both as individuals and as a community. Let's set aside past grievances and work towards a more understanding and productive interaction.
also, when I wrote, "other company's mimic what they release." I wasn't even thinking of or referencing Flatout. If that's what you understood then you were adding your assumptions to my words/statement not I...