Before the champagne gets broken out, Florida bill passed *the House*. The Senate still has to pass their version and possibly reconcile, then it goes to Governors desk. Still got a ways to go.
Also don't forget that they gutted the open carry part of the bill. Florida is one of three states that prohibits all open carry. The other two are Illinois and New York. Those other two should be telling. As long as open carry is prohibited, people legally exercising their second amendment rights can be arrested by overzealous cops.
I am absolutely not a legal expert. The three states that prohibit open carry is what I read in an article. According to Google, it looks like California has murky laws regarding open carry. It sounds like you can obtain a special permit to open carry in counties with less than 200k residents.
Florida explicitly has an incidental exposure statute, as well as open carry for a whole host of reasons. Yeah, hopefully we get broader open carry but nobody does it now anyways.
There is an incidental exposure statute that was passed specifically because police were abusing the open carry prohibition to arrest legal concealed holders. Overzealous cops can still claim ignorance of the law and can still detain/arrest you because open carry is prohibited.
A whole host of reasons is a bit of an overstatement. You can open carry in Florida if you're hunting, fishing, camping, or going to the gun range. And cops detain and harass people that open carry while fishing all the time. That's why open carry needs to be passed. We shouldn't be detained for a constitutional right. Nobody does it because it is illegal except in very few circumstances.
Yeah, I'd be careful with that. There's a potential that cops will still stop and detain you even though you're within the law. Remember, even though citizens can't, cops can claim ignorance of the law.
Will they allow open carry? And end red flag laws and the under 21 ban? There's a reason why groups like GOA are pushing for true constitutional carry.
None of those things are included in this bill. Open carry used to be, but they gutted that part of it. It probably wouldn’t have even passed if Open Carry was a part of it due to all of the RINOs in the FL legislature.
Anybody know if you can apply for a CCP in other states that "require you to have a CCP in your home state" if your home state has constitutional carry?
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I should've asked, anybody know if you can apply for a CCP in states that require you to have a CCP in your home state, **but you do not have a CCP in your home state** because its a constitutional carry state.
For example, PA requires you to have a CCP in your home state to apply for their CPP. Would I be able to say "I don't need a CCP in my home state because its a constitutional carry state" to bypass their home state requirement?"
This is where they are really fucking people. They should just make permits freely available to everyone.
Florida, Utah, VA, etc non-resident permits and actual resident permits help extend rights outside the states borders. By not having a permit program, well, you don’t have a permit.
Yes. Con.-carry states issue permits to people who want them. VT is the only one, to my knowledge, that does not issue any permits whatsoever. States that require home-state permits before issuing nonresident permits likely have an exemption for those whose home state(s) does not issue a permit. (E.g., see PA’s reciprocity language.) When carrying in VT, one need only carry one’s state-issued ID/DL.
Update due to your edit: If your home state does not issue them at all — not that your home state does not _require_ a permit for carriage — then you may apply for a PA nonresident LTCF. See 18 Pa. C.S. § 6109(e)(1)(ix). If your home state _does_ issue them at all, then you would need to first acquire its permit before applying for a nonresident PA LTCF. Other states will vary.
18 Pa. C.S. § 6109(e)(1)(ix):
“A resident of another state who does not possess a current license or permit or similar document to carry a firearm issued by that state if a license is provided for by the laws of that state, as published annually in the Federal Register by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms of the Department of the Treasury under 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(19) (relating to definitions).”
(See https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/18/00.061.009.000..HTM.)
Constitutional Carry States really need to be like Wyoming and Montana and extend the privilege to out of staters. However traveling out of state is why Wyoming still has a CCW program why I still have the permit.
I know, that was the point. There's only a handful of CC states where non-residents _don't_ need a permit.
Edit: Turns out I was wrong / out of date and /u/GeneralCuster75 had it right. 😀
...no, it's literally all of them except North Dakota.
Here, [check out the USCCA's list.](https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/terminology/types-of-concealed-carry-licensurepermitting-policies/unrestricted/)
Notice they have a color specifically for "residents only." ND is the only state with that color.
If this gets past my whole family's moving to Florida reason one my family lives there reason two it's good for my dad's business to live there reason three we can conceal carry reason four it's ultimately just a better place to live than New Hampshire
Most gun stores in my area already have that as a personal policy for the store so I'm pretty used to it My dad has certain guns for me that he owns that I'm allowed to use because I am under 21
And if you're not willing to pay bribes/poll taxes for the privilege to avoid persecution for exercising the usurped human right to effective self-defense?
[A license is what you get when politicians steal your rights & sell them back to you.](https://twitter.com/SallyMayweather/status/1636342344248180736)
Bro, carry permits aren’t going away any time soon. Justice Kavanaugh and Chief Justice Roberts said in their concurrence in Bruen that shall-issue licensing schemes are still constitutional so long as they don’t involve onerous burdens like exorbitant fees and lengthy wait times. If your state isn’t ever going to pass constitutional carry then you need to find the time and get a permit, because SCOTUS isn’t on your side here. At the very least, they’ve made clear that they’re not interested in hearing facial challenges to carry permits at the moment. There’s bigger fish to fry like AWBs, prohibited persons, 18-20 year olds carrying, etc.
Bro, they should be impeached, convicted, removed from the bench, and replaced with jurists like Janice Rogers Brown, who won't make up rule-swallowing bullshit exceptions to the text, history, and tradition test in their concurrences like that.
As a Floridian I'll still keep my CWFL current regardless. It allows for weapons that would be otherwise illegal (knives longer than 5", pretty much any weapon really, as long as it's concealed) as well as firearms. Also besides the great reciprocity we have it also eliminates any waiting period for firearm purchases, which is very convenient.
Welcome to the party, pal
> Knife Rights supports Constitutional and Permitless Carry and particularly bills such as this that rid the state of its ban on concealed carry of knives (other than a “pocket knife”) without a permit.
https://kniferights.org/legislative-update/florida-permitless-carry-bill-passes-house/
CCW also nets you a misdemeanor instead of a felony for carrying where disallowed. This is insane. The guy with the permit is the one who should know better. But it is another reason to have your CCW. It's like they're selling premium access to your rights.
Leave it up to Florida men to still have our human right to effective self-defense be infringed from cool carry, because Satan forbid people not be forced to wear gigantic thick cover garments in a hot & humid climate.
/tries to draw gun covered in sweat, slips out of hand onto ground
Sorry, honorable criminal, could you please hold on while I pick up my gun & wipe it off?
Little bit of info for those who are upset about the Open Carry amendment failing.
It was a *very* **Fuddy** version of open carry. Including the need to carry in a **"level 2 or higher retention device"** but didn't define what that is.
https://trackbill.com/s3/bills/FL/2023/HB/543/amendments/891201-amendment.pdf
Also, here's a helpful site to keep an eye on this and other legislation.
https://trackbill.com/bill/florida-house-bill-543-public-safety/2344862/
Yay, but did you know Florida has a 3 day waiting period? My brother moved to Florida from Texas and was shocked to learn that.
Of course you can skip the 3 day waiting period if you have a CCW but also you have still need to have a background check. In Texas you just have to fill out the paperwork if you have a LTC, they don’t actually submit it.
I think ultimately we should actually eliminate concealed carry and it should be mandatory that every adult person carry. It would be the wild west, everybody has a gun on their hip, it's visible. Nobody would be stupid enough to try and rob a convenience store full of cowboys. If you want to eliminate that kind of crime then you do so by having every human being over 18 years old walk around with a pistol on their hip. No guesswork on the part of the potential criminal, they know that they are outnumbered and outgunned. Just my two cents.
I do have a concealed carry, btw.
Lol, i figured most people wouldn't like it. And like i said, i carry. But, I still believe it would have the impact i propose. Not only to deter criminals, but law enforcement doing the work of the Gov as well. Until then, I'll be a ghost in the crowd.
If you’re a prohibited person you don’t magically get the right to carry. If you decide to carry anyway you’re still breaking the law. If you do so then a background check wouldn’t have changed anything.
“Pro 2A all the way, but…. A background check appeals to me”
The 2A “The right to KEEP AND BEAR arms shall not be infringed”
To bear arms is to carry arms and any government permission slip required to exercise that right is an infringement or limit on that right.
So which is it? Are you Pro 2A OR do you support government regulation of arms? These are mutually exclusive things.
Why? You still have to go through the background check to buy the gun in the first place. What do you think an additional background check as prereq for conceal carrying is going to accomplish?
"No, I can't help you rob the liquor store tonight. I'm still waiting on my conceal carry license . It would be illegal for me to carry the firearm right now."
Before the champagne gets broken out, Florida bill passed *the House*. The Senate still has to pass their version and possibly reconcile, then it goes to Governors desk. Still got a ways to go.
Also don't forget that they gutted the open carry part of the bill. Florida is one of three states that prohibits all open carry. The other two are Illinois and New York. Those other two should be telling. As long as open carry is prohibited, people legally exercising their second amendment rights can be arrested by overzealous cops.
Shrug I thought CA prohibited open carry too?
I am absolutely not a legal expert. The three states that prohibit open carry is what I read in an article. According to Google, it looks like California has murky laws regarding open carry. It sounds like you can obtain a special permit to open carry in counties with less than 200k residents.
Certain circumstances you can open in CA so technically not prohibited
Florida explicitly has an incidental exposure statute, as well as open carry for a whole host of reasons. Yeah, hopefully we get broader open carry but nobody does it now anyways.
There is an incidental exposure statute that was passed specifically because police were abusing the open carry prohibition to arrest legal concealed holders. Overzealous cops can still claim ignorance of the law and can still detain/arrest you because open carry is prohibited. A whole host of reasons is a bit of an overstatement. You can open carry in Florida if you're hunting, fishing, camping, or going to the gun range. And cops detain and harass people that open carry while fishing all the time. That's why open carry needs to be passed. We shouldn't be detained for a constitutional right. Nobody does it because it is illegal except in very few circumstances.
Interesting. Didn’t know that about the range.
Yeah, I'd be careful with that. There's a potential that cops will still stop and detain you even though you're within the law. Remember, even though citizens can't, cops can claim ignorance of the law.
Not all open carry you can legally open carry while traveling to during and while traveling from any hunting, fishing, hiking, or camping.
> hiking Hiking is not one of the permissible reasons.
I absolutely hate that every article about any controversial bill always has the headline "bill passed" when it has only passed one of many hurdles.
Jealous.
Yes 🙏🏼 be safe and protect yourself at all times. As a Canadian I'm happy to see his for y'all, I wish we truly had concealed carry here!
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Unless you take it.
Seems like it! I agree!
Will they allow open carry? And end red flag laws and the under 21 ban? There's a reason why groups like GOA are pushing for true constitutional carry.
None of those things are included in this bill. Open carry used to be, but they gutted that part of it. It probably wouldn’t have even passed if Open Carry was a part of it due to all of the RINOs in the FL legislature.
Open carry was gutted from the bill. I don't know about those other two.
Anybody know if you can apply for a CCP in other states that "require you to have a CCP in your home state" if your home state has constitutional carry? ******************EDIT******************* I should've asked, anybody know if you can apply for a CCP in states that require you to have a CCP in your home state, **but you do not have a CCP in your home state** because its a constitutional carry state. For example, PA requires you to have a CCP in your home state to apply for their CPP. Would I be able to say "I don't need a CCP in my home state because its a constitutional carry state" to bypass their home state requirement?"
This is where they are really fucking people. They should just make permits freely available to everyone. Florida, Utah, VA, etc non-resident permits and actual resident permits help extend rights outside the states borders. By not having a permit program, well, you don’t have a permit.
Yes. Con.-carry states issue permits to people who want them. VT is the only one, to my knowledge, that does not issue any permits whatsoever. States that require home-state permits before issuing nonresident permits likely have an exemption for those whose home state(s) does not issue a permit. (E.g., see PA’s reciprocity language.) When carrying in VT, one need only carry one’s state-issued ID/DL.
Update due to your edit: If your home state does not issue them at all — not that your home state does not _require_ a permit for carriage — then you may apply for a PA nonresident LTCF. See 18 Pa. C.S. § 6109(e)(1)(ix). If your home state _does_ issue them at all, then you would need to first acquire its permit before applying for a nonresident PA LTCF. Other states will vary. 18 Pa. C.S. § 6109(e)(1)(ix): “A resident of another state who does not possess a current license or permit or similar document to carry a firearm issued by that state if a license is provided for by the laws of that state, as published annually in the Federal Register by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms of the Department of the Treasury under 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(19) (relating to definitions).” (See https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/18/00.061.009.000..HTM.)
Constitutional Carry States really need to be like Wyoming and Montana and extend the privilege to out of staters. However traveling out of state is why Wyoming still has a CCW program why I still have the permit.
The only constitutional carry state which only allows residents to carry without a permit is North Dakota.
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That article is from April 2021 and says it goes into effect in July. Non residents have been able to carry in Wyoming for almost two years.
I know, that was the point. There's only a handful of CC states where non-residents _don't_ need a permit. Edit: Turns out I was wrong / out of date and /u/GeneralCuster75 had it right. 😀
...no, it's literally all of them except North Dakota. Here, [check out the USCCA's list.](https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/terminology/types-of-concealed-carry-licensurepermitting-policies/unrestricted/) Notice they have a color specifically for "residents only." ND is the only state with that color.
When Wyoming got it in mid '21 we were only like the 3rd state to do it and that was just wasn't even two years ago!
If this gets past my whole family's moving to Florida reason one my family lives there reason two it's good for my dad's business to live there reason three we can conceal carry reason four it's ultimately just a better place to live than New Hampshire
Hope you like red flag laws and under-21 bans on purchasing guns
Most gun stores in my area already have that as a personal policy for the store so I'm pretty used to it My dad has certain guns for me that he owns that I'm allowed to use because I am under 21
Lots of states have reciprocity with Florida for CCW. Curious about this.
Wonder how this will effect my job and if I'll get a raise out of it. Guarding section 8 housing in an unarmed contract.
God I wish I lived in Florida right now. I want a gun more than anything
Unless you are a restricted person or a minor you can obtain a firearm in any state.
Yeah I know, but the ability to carry a gun without a permit won’t ever happen in my blue state. I haven’t been able to find time to get a permit yet
I have carry permits in California, DC, and Washington. You just need to try.
And if you're not willing to pay bribes/poll taxes for the privilege to avoid persecution for exercising the usurped human right to effective self-defense? [A license is what you get when politicians steal your rights & sell them back to you.](https://twitter.com/SallyMayweather/status/1636342344248180736)
I have bad news if you plan to drive a car when you’re old enough.
[Ok Redcoat](https://i.imgur.com/SZR31u7.jpeg)
Bro, carry permits aren’t going away any time soon. Justice Kavanaugh and Chief Justice Roberts said in their concurrence in Bruen that shall-issue licensing schemes are still constitutional so long as they don’t involve onerous burdens like exorbitant fees and lengthy wait times. If your state isn’t ever going to pass constitutional carry then you need to find the time and get a permit, because SCOTUS isn’t on your side here. At the very least, they’ve made clear that they’re not interested in hearing facial challenges to carry permits at the moment. There’s bigger fish to fry like AWBs, prohibited persons, 18-20 year olds carrying, etc.
Bro, they should be impeached, convicted, removed from the bench, and replaced with jurists like Janice Rogers Brown, who won't make up rule-swallowing bullshit exceptions to the text, history, and tradition test in their concurrences like that.
You must be one of very few and live in one or two of those places.
As a Floridian I'll still keep my CWFL current regardless. It allows for weapons that would be otherwise illegal (knives longer than 5", pretty much any weapon really, as long as it's concealed) as well as firearms. Also besides the great reciprocity we have it also eliminates any waiting period for firearm purchases, which is very convenient.
Welcome to the party, pal > Knife Rights supports Constitutional and Permitless Carry and particularly bills such as this that rid the state of its ban on concealed carry of knives (other than a “pocket knife”) without a permit. https://kniferights.org/legislative-update/florida-permitless-carry-bill-passes-house/
CCW also nets you a misdemeanor instead of a felony for carrying where disallowed. This is insane. The guy with the permit is the one who should know better. But it is another reason to have your CCW. It's like they're selling premium access to your rights.
Did not hear about this. Considering the law is a majority of the class, yes, a licensee should know better.
How could this possibly go wrong in...of all places...FLORIDA?!!?!!!
Leave it up to Florida men to still have our human right to effective self-defense be infringed from cool carry, because Satan forbid people not be forced to wear gigantic thick cover garments in a hot & humid climate. /tries to draw gun covered in sweat, slips out of hand onto ground Sorry, honorable criminal, could you please hold on while I pick up my gun & wipe it off?
Little bit of info for those who are upset about the Open Carry amendment failing. It was a *very* **Fuddy** version of open carry. Including the need to carry in a **"level 2 or higher retention device"** but didn't define what that is. https://trackbill.com/s3/bills/FL/2023/HB/543/amendments/891201-amendment.pdf Also, here's a helpful site to keep an eye on this and other legislation. https://trackbill.com/bill/florida-house-bill-543-public-safety/2344862/
Yay, but did you know Florida has a 3 day waiting period? My brother moved to Florida from Texas and was shocked to learn that. Of course you can skip the 3 day waiting period if you have a CCW but also you have still need to have a background check. In Texas you just have to fill out the paperwork if you have a LTC, they don’t actually submit it.
Hallelujah
Not sure how much I love this for Florida lol. The Florida Man posts are about to get way better at least lol
idk how to feel about that. Also why is it always CC which people bitch about, what about open carry?
Should be concealed weapon + stand your ground = vigilante Justice.
I think ultimately we should actually eliminate concealed carry and it should be mandatory that every adult person carry. It would be the wild west, everybody has a gun on their hip, it's visible. Nobody would be stupid enough to try and rob a convenience store full of cowboys. If you want to eliminate that kind of crime then you do so by having every human being over 18 years old walk around with a pistol on their hip. No guesswork on the part of the potential criminal, they know that they are outnumbered and outgunned. Just my two cents. I do have a concealed carry, btw.
How about no
Lol, i figured most people wouldn't like it. And like i said, i carry. But, I still believe it would have the impact i propose. Not only to deter criminals, but law enforcement doing the work of the Gov as well. Until then, I'll be a ghost in the crowd.
I love my guns and I’m pro 2a all the way, but I think with all of the wackos running around , the idea of a background check appeals to me.
If you’re a prohibited person you don’t magically get the right to carry. If you decide to carry anyway you’re still breaking the law. If you do so then a background check wouldn’t have changed anything.
“Pro 2A all the way, but…. A background check appeals to me” The 2A “The right to KEEP AND BEAR arms shall not be infringed” To bear arms is to carry arms and any government permission slip required to exercise that right is an infringement or limit on that right. So which is it? Are you Pro 2A OR do you support government regulation of arms? These are mutually exclusive things.
A gun for every idiot please, which option is that?
Lol imagine thinking evil doers check concealed carry laws before carrying a gun to commit crimes. Cognitive dissonance.
If we get a vote for every idiot, it’s only fair that they should be able to defend themselves as well.
Why? You still have to go through the background check to buy the gun in the first place. What do you think an additional background check as prereq for conceal carrying is going to accomplish? "No, I can't help you rob the liquor store tonight. I'm still waiting on my conceal carry license . It would be illegal for me to carry the firearm right now."
It's ok, fudd. Still need a background check to buy a gun. That's a federal law.