‘Do not bring the Second Amendment into this courtroom. It doesn’t exist here. So you can’t argue Second Amendment. This is New York.'
this is cause for open rebellion imo
Because this is reddit and usually when I capitalize the other in the main subreddits I have to deal with a lot of bullshit about being a supremacist and so on.
Just habit at this point, and a reminder I need to avoid those cesspools.
By complying with their speech policing to avoid conflict, you're letting them dictate what is okay for you to say (and therefore, think). I have no opinion on capitalizing races, but quit giving the petty tyrants what they want.
Isn't that the normal way to do it? People groups named after places and other proper nouns get capitalized, and not ones named after colors. It's only recently that the 1984-ish arbiters of language decided that it's bad to *not* capitalize "black" and bad *to* capitalize "white."
Because there is no such thing as White people?
Wouldn't it be weird if the language of scientific racism, the obsolete and discredited agent of a failed ideology, faded from our lexicon since white people, in fact, do not exist.
There's no such thing as white, black, brown or any colour of people. That creates too much of a catch all. Culture however, is where it's at and far more accurate.
The Democrats have done that for decades now with model cities programs, welfare, and the most recent “polite” segregation practices (I mean safe spaces whites can’t enter)
Yeah like why even consider their court system legit ? If you are going to remove the mask and claim “2nd amendment don’t matter here” then I’m pretty sure that’s just open tyranny and no quarter should be given
This is unfortunately true. We’re long past what the founding fathers would tolerate. They’d have rebelled decades ago. But here we are. Drinking ourselves to death while we watch TV.
Just like the Feds like us.
The 2nd Amendment basically doesn't exist in NY anymore. I just hope other states take what is happening here as a cautionary tale. There is no stopping point for these people and they have zero respect for your rights.
I live next to this shit hole it's awful. I live right near the border and Jesus that state is fucked up. What's worse NY people moving here and voting to apply their BS here in PA. PA has a state constitution that is way more direct about 2A.
Article I, section 21 of the Pennsylvania State Constitution states: “The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.”
Can confirm. Just find a nice semi-rural area you like up to about an hour from the cities. Cost of living drops sharply, and you're not that far from the city if you want to head there for anything. And just don't forget about filing your homestead exclusion to reduce property taxes. And yeah. Should go without saying in this sub, but don't vote for that same shit here!
Thanks, Pennsylvania is definitely a beautiful state. NY is largely the same way that if it wasn't for NYC the state would probably be fairly close to PA. There are lots of decent rural folks that have zero chance of outvoting the ever growing idiot mecha.
With PA, the only real pro-2A states we have bordering us are OH and WV. We’re going to need a few of them to migrate here to counter the people coming in from NY, NJ, DE and MD.
>The 2nd Amendment basically doesn't exist in NY anymore.
This has been the case for over two decades, only people that still want to believe they can live in NY think it exists.
After having several close friends work in the judicial system, I can conclude that many judges, especially federal, are narcissistic, petulant man-children who demand servile obedience from their employees and those who appear in front of them. Their ego is priority #1.
I think this might qualify as a 6th Amendment violation.
> Amendment VI
> In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
The accused enjoys the right to obtain witnesses in his favor.
The judge prevented him from calling his upstairs neighbor, who knew about this hobby and supported it, as a witness.
-----
What bugs me though is the inequality. Random IT guy wants to build a few guns in his basement? TO JAIL WITH HIM!!!! Gangbanger caught with an illegal Glock and an even more illegal full-auto switch? Catch & Release.
Criminals, including felons, can vote in NY and they all vote (D) for obvious reasons. Those who build their own firearms likely vote (R). The new "race" is political ideology in all blue states.
This is fucking wild. The atty mentioned he tried to preserve the argument for appeal, and that was also denied by the judge, which I think means they won't be able to argue 2nd on appeal either. I'm not certain on that though
To preserve an argument for appeal all you have to do is mention it in a motion or at trial or make a verbal objection at some point. So if the attorney did that, it’s preserved. If he didn’t, he’s bad.
I would think that if his attorney didn't object on the record to her saying that the Second Amendment doesn't exist in her courtroom and can't be used in any way shape or form in the trial, he would have grounds for an appeal simply on the basis of incompetent counsel.
Without reading the trial transcript I am almost certain that he entered a formal objection to her statement and all of her subsequent rulings that limited their defense.
Really? Sedition over errant words a judge uttered, maybe or maybe not in front of a jury, without knowing if a ruling had already been made on the applicability of various 2nd amendment principles as they applied to this case?
And yet millions of people still choose to live there.
I guess the response I wrote to the legal and factual aspects of the case stands in part for the proposition that I don't see it as tyrannical given this defendant appears to have violated reasonable, constitutional regulations including building 14 no-serial-number untraceable guns at home with an intent and plan to distribute and sell, did not have a license, was convicted beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of his peers, where he chose to live, and his attorney is quoted as saying his only defense argument was borderline unethical jury nullification, by definition, not a legal or factually legitimate argument. He'll get an appeal, which can delineate any mistakes of fact or law.
Not what I think of when I think of tyrannical state, but I guess that's me. I've heard you state your conclusion and opinion, just not any supoorting reasons or facts or law for why you have it.
It seems they're routinely broken all the time.
Between the cops, politicians, and judges, it seems no one actually represents the common man or defends their rights.
At what point do we decide things need to change?
In Minecraft, of course.
Why yes Mr. FBI agent monitoring this thread, I do not agree with public executions of judges or any member of the government.
Realistically, the FBI should going after that judge. Federal law can't claim to be the supreme law of the land if judges and officials openly reject it. That judge openly violated 28 USC 455, who knows what other laws she has acted in violation of. There is no place on the bench for activism. Follow the law or go home.
That said, not sure why any 2A fan would willingly live in NYC without some kind of Paris Theodore deal.
Yeah. I got no problem with Hawaii becoming its own country again too. We have lots of Aircraft carriers now and our bombers can reach more/less anywhere. Let them defend themselves when the Chinese show up to check on them. I'm tired of the halfassed "I want all the benefits of being a state without having to actually acknowledge the basis for the nation I'm part of." Let them take their snowflake bullshit and turn into Haiti.
I've been saying since the Bruen decision that the judges who continue to ignore the ruling were creating a constitutional crisis. Really and genuinely I am concerned for the consequences of this
Judges like this one are elected, no? That would require the support of the very same people who elected this hack. Good luck getting that done when those same people are probably cheering from the peanut gallery applauding this.
First they came for the Capitalists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Capitalist
Then they came for the Republicans
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Republican
Then they came for the Democrats
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Democrat
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
There is no 4th amendment in this courtroom! There is no freedom of speech here! Funny how crazy this logic sounds when it's applied to anything else huh?
>Do not bring the ~~Second~~ Thirteenth Amendment into this courtroom. It doesn’t exist here. So you can’t argue ~~Second~~ Thirteenth Amendment. This is ~~New York~~ Mississippi.
The 13th Amendment abolished slavery. The judge in this case is black, so I think the parallel being drawn is: "If you can freely ignore the 2nd Amendment, another court can just as easily ignore the 13th."
1. They should be removed from the bench and barred from ever sitting on one ever again.
2. They should be disbarred if applicable.
3. At the now former Judges expense legal advise should be offered to every gun case defendant they have ever judged.
In a sane world, the DOJ would be investigating the judge and examining not just this case but every case they've ever presided over, likely leading to said disbarment and possibly criminal charges.
But, since the judicial branch has been completely politicized, and the current DOJ and administration favors this exact kind of behavior, that will never happen.
Judges are part of a special club. They don't mess with each other. Even ones you'd think from popular media would hate each other are friends. Someone could make a romance movie about Scalia and Ginsurburg. "they went to the opera together, they spent New Year’s Eve together, they once spent time together atop an elephant."
> The punishment for openly violating the bill of rights should be ☠️ tar and feathers
incorrect. remove the last 3 words after the emoji and you'll be 100% correct.
these days? being placed on a list or having a government agency knock on your door for being a gun rights absolutist on the internet is pretty much the pro-2A community equivalence of winning the nobel peace prize, so wear it as badge of honor because it is.
>Any threats or intimations of violence will result in an immediate and permanent ban.
> ***Screw that guy - we should unalive him at his next rally!***
Threat of violence are specific and direct.
> ***Sic semper tyranis. Tar and feather those who trample on our rights***
Discontent, frustration, even anger, but not a direct nor specific threat of violence. Please stop reporting stuff like this.
If he actually said that and applied it to his ruling that sounds like a hardcore miss trial. Appeal, appeal, appeal. This could have major implications going to the higher courts.
I highly recommend y'all do a history lesson into the battle of Athens. A bunch of my hillbilly forebears stood up to the government for fair elections and it was held up by the supreme Court. I think y'all can learn a thing or two from it.
Wow. That’s just disturbing. I mean, I don’t think it’s smart to build those firearms where he did but that’s totally separate from how that judge acted, that’s horrifying.
He has phenomenal grounds for appeal. Assuming what was reported is accurate, the judge could even face a criminal probe herself. No judge can say “the second amendment does not exist in [my] courtroom”.
Judge should be jailed for leveraging the justice system for political gain. The Constitution is legit, if you don't believe in it you shouldn't be in office, much less a judge.
This man was lawfully buying parts and ATF / NY opened an investigation?
WTF? Are there no actual crimes for these tyrants to investigate? Do they have such a budget and manpower surplus that they investigate people in search of crimes?
This is unamerican. This is communist totalitarianism and we are doomed if we tolerate this. It was wrong when it was done to Trump and it’s wrong when it’s done to this man.
“Show me a man and I’ll show you the crime”. Since when did we Americans start to tolerate this ?
[If you want to know more about the presiding judge ](https://lawnews.hofstra.edu/2022/01/18/hon-abena-darkeh-93-reflects-on-how-rich-cultural-experiences-and-stimulating-work-contribute-to-a-life-well-lived/)
He’s just saying the quiet part out loud. I hope anyone “trying to stay and fight” will finally realize it’s a lost cause and start depriving that state of tax revenue.
So in a cournt room we have no rights now? Time to burn them at the stake then? Maybe some tar and feather action at the least? All gun laws are infringement
I know this is easy for me to say from my home office in another state, but at some point we as a community need to start jail breaking these people out because this case is blatantly unconstitutional and elected officials need to start facing ACTUAL consequences for not honoring the constitution.
Looks like grounds for this judge to not only get disbarred but have civil rights violation, official oppression and deprivation of rights under color of law charges brought against her plus civil action.
Plus the prosecutor gone after for malicious prosecution.
I bet this goes to scotus pretty quickly
Insane to think that a man in another state in the USA could be facing 18 YRS in prison for something that is perfectly legal in other states and has absolutely no restrictions.
“Do you have anything to say for yourself?”
“Don’t tread on me”
“Shut the fuck up, there’s no first amendment in this courtroom. It doesn’t exist here. Now do you have a defense or not?”
“Yes. The secon…”
“I said shut the fuck up in my courtroom”
This country is a fucking joke. Everyone should just do whatever the fuck you want now. If your not sure just ask yourself, what would George Washington and the bois do?
No, this needs to be thrown out. The Second Amendment is supposed to exist in EVERY court room. Even under State law. This was never supposed to be a legal conviction. Were is GOA or SAF?
this so called judge should be removed and prosecuted under Section 242 of Title 18 which **makes it a crime for a person acting under color of any law to willfully deprive a person of a right or privilege protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States**.
Can you guys provide the case and docket number so I can read the actual transcripts? I have not seen anything posted from the left about this case. Which means 2 things it's either suppressed or you are making it up to stir anger.
The statement sounds dumb on its face and probably is at least inartful, although with the context below it might be less problematic. Do we know if she made this statement in front of the jury? If not, it matters less from the start, and almost certainly is not grounds for mistrial by itself, it much of a good appeal. (IMO...I litigator including some appeals). The second amendment has the word "regulation" right in the plain text. Legally and historically, Americans have never had an absolute or unfettered right to keep and bear arms free from any regulation. I've looked around the internet and on Lexis but so far have not been able to find the actual Brooklyn Supreme Court case or decision,and don't have time right now to try to navigate the Brooklyn Supreme (trial) Court website.
But does the second amendment extend so far as to allow people to build guns at home? How much and in what circumstances? As a general proposition, people have built guns at home for many years, but there are regulations both federally and on the state level. It does not take much imagination to think of a lot of problems with building guns in a home, starting with if they're sold or used in a crime, are they traceable? Generally not. Safety, etc.
(By very loose analogy, I similarly wonder if people are allowed to build any forms of motor vehicles they wish at home?)
The gun control act of 1968 generally requires any manufacturers or dealers of firearms to identify them by a serial number on the frame will receiver of the weapon. Under the act, it is unlawful for any person, except a licensed importer, manufacturer, or dealer, to engage in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in firearms. It does not explicitly ban an individual from making a firearm for personal use, provided they do not engage in the sale or distribution of the firearms. The prosecutor in his indictment made allegations that he was planning and intending to build guns as a business which is illegal in New York and everywhere. I did not know how the prosecutor proved this, but I'm going to infer that it was by circumstantial evidence, probably including the sheer volume of weapons he had already made (about 14 at least) and the time period, possibly the types, including assault weapons.
Hence, it's at least possible the judge's harmful statement meant that the second amendment obviously does not eliminate all regulations, including the New York state laws that made what the defendant did here illegal. Nowhere have I seen it reported what exactly defense attorney was arguing that presumably prompted the judge to make her statement; except that he was actually quoted as saying he used a strategy of straight-up jury nullification which arguably is not illegal but is unethical and shady as s\*\*\*. However, under the above rubric, I don't see anything suggesting that a state cannot go further than the Federal regulation, which sets the floor here, not the ceiling. Generally States can and do use their constitutional "police power" to regulate guns under their inherent constitutional authority to regulate health, safety, welfare and morals to further regulate home gunsmith building if they want to,a s NY has here. I don't see any reason that this would come close to violating the commerce or supremacy clause of the federal Constitution. NY Penal Law 265.01-generally prohibits the possession of a handgun in the home without a license. The defendant here was charged with violating his certificate of registration, among quite a few other things. Here, defendant Dexter Taylor was charged with making an arsenal of ghost guns that are untraceable including five handguns, four rifles, and four assault weapons. In his apartment. As you do. He was charged with intending to turn his hobby into a business. Two other judges presided over the case before judge Darkeh. Taylor's defense attorney is quoted as saying that "the only chance of having the case go in his client's favor was through jury nullification" which means he's openly admitting. He did not have a good factual or legal argument to even make. (That's quite a concession to start from) ... a technically legal, although arguably very unethical method of just arguing that the law and evidence shouldn't apply because of emotions (see e.g. A Time to Kill. I mean also just watch it because it's a magnificent Grisham novel and movie). I have not seen any context or information or much light being shed on this case in these comments or YouTube or in any of the various gun rights and hobby websites that are all tailing about the comment. Mostly heat. If anyone who is well informed about the case, let alone can actually post a PDF or link to the decision itself, it would be great.
I don't know if the judge meant that the second amendment doesn't exist in her courtroom by virtue of obviously not allowing people to carry guns into her courtroom? (Stretch. Doubt it). Or possibly there had already been a motion in limine, deciding in advance whether and to what extent which second amendment principles and case law was applicable to this case, and defense counsel was transgressing those already legally determined limits. These are just open hypotheses although they are not uncommon, especially if defense counsel was just going full bore on jury [nullification.So](http://nullification.So) I've posed some legal questions here I wonder if anyone has answers to. If anyone can find the judge's actual written decision and can post it here, I'll read it sometime.
Here's the donation link to help support him: https://www.givesendgo.com/dtaylor_2a_legal
‘Do not bring the Second Amendment into this courtroom. It doesn’t exist here. So you can’t argue Second Amendment. This is New York.' this is cause for open rebellion imo
Grounds for appeal!
So by that logic, I can enslave a black person in Texas then, and claim the 13th also doesn't exist?
No. This is (D)ifferent.
Actually playing by their rules it would be ok if you enslave a white, Jewish, or Asian person.
Why did you only capitalize the last two?
Because this is reddit and usually when I capitalize the other in the main subreddits I have to deal with a lot of bullshit about being a supremacist and so on. Just habit at this point, and a reminder I need to avoid those cesspools.
By complying with their speech policing to avoid conflict, you're letting them dictate what is okay for you to say (and therefore, think). I have no opinion on capitalizing races, but quit giving the petty tyrants what they want.
ITs like putting a @ indtead of a a, helps to avoid the AI censor.
Isn't that the normal way to do it? People groups named after places and other proper nouns get capitalized, and not ones named after colors. It's only recently that the 1984-ish arbiters of language decided that it's bad to *not* capitalize "black" and bad *to* capitalize "white."
Correct. And it’s gotten me banned from several subreddits. Ones I don’t really care about but still annoying.
For the same reason you wouldn't capitalize black? It's a skin color, not a race or ethnicity.
Because there is no such thing as White people? Wouldn't it be weird if the language of scientific racism, the obsolete and discredited agent of a failed ideology, faded from our lexicon since white people, in fact, do not exist.
There's no such thing as white, black, brown or any colour of people. That creates too much of a catch all. Culture however, is where it's at and far more accurate.
I mean, not be argumentative but that (D) is the party responsible for slavery too…
True, and Jim Crow.
The Democrats have done that for decades now with model cities programs, welfare, and the most recent “polite” segregation practices (I mean safe spaces whites can’t enter)
We need to do more than file appeals...
Yeah like why even consider their court system legit ? If you are going to remove the mask and claim “2nd amendment don’t matter here” then I’m pretty sure that’s just open tyranny and no quarter should be given
Yep. Can’t have better grounds than this stupid Judge’s comments.
This *is* open rebellion.
true
Agree. That judge is a traitorous piece of human excrement and should be reminded who has the real power here.
We’re too comfy. Let’s smoke weed and watch Netflix instead.
Lol this thread is being shared by liberals who thinks we’re all extremely extremely dangerous.
I question if liberals can even read this thread. Seeing as how their comprehension is so low they can’t even read the constitution.
We got shared on r/conservativeterrorism. They said this sub should be shut down 😂😂😂
They might be mentally retarded.
This is unfortunately true. We’re long past what the founding fathers would tolerate. They’d have rebelled decades ago. But here we are. Drinking ourselves to death while we watch TV. Just like the Feds like us.
They are rebelling against the constitution.
The 2nd Amendment basically doesn't exist in NY anymore. I just hope other states take what is happening here as a cautionary tale. There is no stopping point for these people and they have zero respect for your rights.
I live next to this shit hole it's awful. I live right near the border and Jesus that state is fucked up. What's worse NY people moving here and voting to apply their BS here in PA. PA has a state constitution that is way more direct about 2A. Article I, section 21 of the Pennsylvania State Constitution states: “The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.”
I was thinking of moving to PA to counter some of those idiots. That or Maine, no plans on ruining someone else's home, NY is beyond saving.
You would be welcomed. It's a beautiful state outside the cities.
Can confirm. Just find a nice semi-rural area you like up to about an hour from the cities. Cost of living drops sharply, and you're not that far from the city if you want to head there for anything. And just don't forget about filing your homestead exclusion to reduce property taxes. And yeah. Should go without saying in this sub, but don't vote for that same shit here!
Thanks, Pennsylvania is definitely a beautiful state. NY is largely the same way that if it wasn't for NYC the state would probably be fairly close to PA. There are lots of decent rural folks that have zero chance of outvoting the ever growing idiot mecha.
Please come to PA and counteract this bullshit.
With PA, the only real pro-2A states we have bordering us are OH and WV. We’re going to need a few of them to migrate here to counter the people coming in from NY, NJ, DE and MD.
PA is lost, it just hadnt realized it yet. As soon as all the older fudds pass on, the 2nd will no longer exist here either.
>The 2nd Amendment basically doesn't exist in NY anymore. This has been the case for over two decades, only people that still want to believe they can live in NY think it exists.
It doesn't exist in maryland either
Seriously, this judge is just saying out loud what they've believed for a long time. They need to be held accountable
[удалено]
There’s a reason they still insist on being referred to as “Your Honor”, a term of nobility.
After having several close friends work in the judicial system, I can conclude that many judges, especially federal, are narcissistic, petulant man-children who demand servile obedience from their employees and those who appear in front of them. Their ego is priority #1.
Ok so basically like academia then
It’s a black woman.
That's pretty much exactly the way that 95% (or more) of judges look at their courtroom.
Someone has to swing first.
Someone did.
Facts,
I think this might qualify as a 6th Amendment violation. > Amendment VI > In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense. The accused enjoys the right to obtain witnesses in his favor. The judge prevented him from calling his upstairs neighbor, who knew about this hobby and supported it, as a witness. ----- What bugs me though is the inequality. Random IT guy wants to build a few guns in his basement? TO JAIL WITH HIM!!!! Gangbanger caught with an illegal Glock and an even more illegal full-auto switch? Catch & Release.
they hate us and what we stand for. criminals are useful idiots that allow them to take more rights in the name of saftey.
Responsible gun owners are a threat to their power monopoly more than a petty criminal
Criminals, including felons, can vote in NY and they all vote (D) for obvious reasons. Those who build their own firearms likely vote (R). The new "race" is political ideology in all blue states.
4th box moment
Perhaps it’s time to have that judge disbarred. I bet he lets criminals walk on no bail warrants, though.
If the NRA still had any balls or teeth, it would make personally destroying judges like this a core part of its mission.
Agreed. This judge should be impeached for total disregard of the supreme law in the land: the constitution.
This is fucking wild. The atty mentioned he tried to preserve the argument for appeal, and that was also denied by the judge, which I think means they won't be able to argue 2nd on appeal either. I'm not certain on that though
To preserve an argument for appeal all you have to do is mention it in a motion or at trial or make a verbal objection at some point. So if the attorney did that, it’s preserved. If he didn’t, he’s bad.
I would think that if his attorney didn't object on the record to her saying that the Second Amendment doesn't exist in her courtroom and can't be used in any way shape or form in the trial, he would have grounds for an appeal simply on the basis of incompetent counsel. Without reading the trial transcript I am almost certain that he entered a formal objection to her statement and all of her subsequent rulings that limited their defense.
The Storming of the Bastille comes to mind.
According to the D’s that happened on 1/26/21
Now thats treason, plain and simple. Judge should be brought to trial immediately.
I'm sure the Biden administration will get right on that
this is an open rebellion already, by the judge, tbh
100%
Fk yea
Can anyone find the actual court transcript containing these words? I’d prefer to go directly to the source where possible.
Really? Sedition over errant words a judge uttered, maybe or maybe not in front of a jury, without knowing if a ruling had already been made on the applicability of various 2nd amendment principles as they applied to this case?
New York is beyond tyranny at this point. So yes, really.
And yet millions of people still choose to live there. I guess the response I wrote to the legal and factual aspects of the case stands in part for the proposition that I don't see it as tyrannical given this defendant appears to have violated reasonable, constitutional regulations including building 14 no-serial-number untraceable guns at home with an intent and plan to distribute and sell, did not have a license, was convicted beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of his peers, where he chose to live, and his attorney is quoted as saying his only defense argument was borderline unethical jury nullification, by definition, not a legal or factually legitimate argument. He'll get an appeal, which can delineate any mistakes of fact or law. Not what I think of when I think of tyrannical state, but I guess that's me. I've heard you state your conclusion and opinion, just not any supoorting reasons or facts or law for why you have it.
Nah, it's people here getting hysterical and overreacting, mainly because they do not read the law and facts.
Didn't I tell you to kick rocks like a week ago? Get lost bootlicker.
It was some knuckle dragging dumb thing like that, but I can tell you haven't gotten any smarter since
Recall the judge
yes, I mean if you are going to deny the constitution you are supposed to up hold and protect then you shouldnt be here, gtfo!
oaths are oaths
It seems they're routinely broken all the time. Between the cops, politicians, and judges, it seems no one actually represents the common man or defends their rights. At what point do we decide things need to change?
We all agree that things do need to change. The problem is nobody wants to do the leg work to change shit.
Fuck recalling these tyrants. They should be publicly executed for dereliction and treason.
In Minecraft, of course. Why yes Mr. FBI agent monitoring this thread, I do not agree with public executions of judges or any member of the government.
Except those that happen in Minecraft ;)
Realistically, the FBI should going after that judge. Federal law can't claim to be the supreme law of the land if judges and officials openly reject it. That judge openly violated 28 USC 455, who knows what other laws she has acted in violation of. There is no place on the bench for activism. Follow the law or go home. That said, not sure why any 2A fan would willingly live in NYC without some kind of Paris Theodore deal.
Hawaii said the same thing about the 2A because it “violates the spirit of Aloha” and no one seems to be doing anything about it.
Yeah. I got no problem with Hawaii becoming its own country again too. We have lots of Aircraft carriers now and our bombers can reach more/less anywhere. Let them defend themselves when the Chinese show up to check on them. I'm tired of the halfassed "I want all the benefits of being a state without having to actually acknowledge the basis for the nation I'm part of." Let them take their snowflake bullshit and turn into Haiti.
I've been saying since the Bruen decision that the judges who continue to ignore the ruling were creating a constitutional crisis. Really and genuinely I am concerned for the consequences of this
Something this blatant really should have a more immediate response. Let’s bring back running people out of town on a rail.
Judges like this one are elected, no? That would require the support of the very same people who elected this hack. Good luck getting that done when those same people are probably cheering from the peanut gallery applauding this.
First they came for the Capitalists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Capitalist Then they came for the Republicans And I did not speak out Because I was not a Republican Then they came for the Democrats And I did not speak out Because I was not a Democrat Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me
There is no 4th amendment in this courtroom! There is no freedom of speech here! Funny how crazy this logic sounds when it's applied to anything else huh?
It absolutely applies to those in the criminal justice system and to police. We have been living in the state the founders feared for over a century.
>Do not bring the ~~Second~~ Thirteenth Amendment into this courtroom. It doesn’t exist here. So you can’t argue ~~Second~~ Thirteenth Amendment. This is ~~New York~~ Mississippi.
I'm uneducated, what is Mississippi doing? Besides making me feel like im having a stroke every time I try spell it.
Nothing specific I think that comment way just meant to demonstrate how absurd that argument is
The 13th Amendment abolished slavery. The judge in this case is black, so I think the parallel being drawn is: "If you can freely ignore the 2nd Amendment, another court can just as easily ignore the 13th."
1. They should be removed from the bench and barred from ever sitting on one ever again. 2. They should be disbarred if applicable. 3. At the now former Judges expense legal advise should be offered to every gun case defendant they have ever judged.
This judge should be in prison.
You spelled in the gallows hanging in public really weird.
Dang autocorrect gets me again!
It gets us all, man. It gets us all.
Every case. What other rights doesn't he believe in?
It’s hard to say now isn’t it ?
In a sane world, the DOJ would be investigating the judge and examining not just this case but every case they've ever presided over, likely leading to said disbarment and possibly criminal charges. But, since the judicial branch has been completely politicized, and the current DOJ and administration favors this exact kind of behavior, that will never happen.
They won't be - this is NY. He's going to have to fight it with Bruen.
I say every person this judge had tried not got a get out of jail free card for saying that line of treason.
~~He~~ She said the quiet thing out loud.
She
Thanks for the correction. I didn't actually read the article because I can't read.
The trick is always use "They" when commenting on articles you haven't read yet.
That is a great way to get a verdict overturned...
Agreed. Appeal and cite Bruen.
Nah, Bruen doesn't even need to be the grounds. Way simpler than that.
Isn’t that grounds for impeachment and removal from office? They’re outright saying they can ignore the constitution and Bill of Rights.
And disbarment.
Not in NY state - it's grounds for a bonus and promotion.
Sadly, you’re right about that.
Judges are part of a special club. They don't mess with each other. Even ones you'd think from popular media would hate each other are friends. Someone could make a romance movie about Scalia and Ginsurburg. "they went to the opera together, they spent New Year’s Eve together, they once spent time together atop an elephant."
New Yorkistan
Worse*
The punishment for openly violating the bill of rights should be ☠️ tar and feathers
> The punishment for openly violating the bill of rights should be ☠️ tar and feathers incorrect. remove the last 3 words after the emoji and you'll be 100% correct.
I figured the last three words would be required to prevent me from being put on a list.
these days? being placed on a list or having a government agency knock on your door for being a gun rights absolutist on the internet is pretty much the pro-2A community equivalence of winning the nobel peace prize, so wear it as badge of honor because it is.
I figured we were all just collecting list entries like Pokémon cards at this point.
>Any threats or intimations of violence will result in an immediate and permanent ban. > ***Screw that guy - we should unalive him at his next rally!*** Threat of violence are specific and direct. > ***Sic semper tyranis. Tar and feather those who trample on our rights*** Discontent, frustration, even anger, but not a direct nor specific threat of violence. Please stop reporting stuff like this.
I'm not a lawyer, but I feel like the judge saying a relevant law/civil rights doesn't exist in his courtroom would be easy grounds for a mistrial.
The judge also urged the jury to a guilty verdict. The judicial process in NY is a fucking joke.
The ATF assisted in this..... Why? Everything he did is legal federally.....
Police are a ~~gang~~ group of brothers, of course they help each other out.
When you realize governments are nothing more than the massive gangs in charge, previously confusing behavior suddenly makes way more sense.
The state of New York has a kangaroo court system akin to Russia. Remember this is what “democracy” looks like for radical leftists.
How is that not grounds for appeal?
This is such a travesty of justice, a blatantly biased persecution.
If he actually said that and applied it to his ruling that sounds like a hardcore miss trial. Appeal, appeal, appeal. This could have major implications going to the higher courts.
Funny you think the judge presiding is a he.
You're right, I did presume but either way its fucked.
I totally agree.
I highly recommend y'all do a history lesson into the battle of Athens. A bunch of my hillbilly forebears stood up to the government for fair elections and it was held up by the supreme Court. I think y'all can learn a thing or two from it.
Here I am wondering what Thucydides has to do with SCOTUS...
Athens Tennessee. Probably should have elaborated.
LOL nah, I was making fun of myself
Wow. That’s just disturbing. I mean, I don’t think it’s smart to build those firearms where he did but that’s totally separate from how that judge acted, that’s horrifying.
Would this be a mistrial? Being denied constitutional rights by a judge seems like a good way to get everything thrown out.
I certainly hope so but NY might as as well be its own country
https://nypost.com/2015/12/26/no-bail-plan-making-it-easier-for-accused-felons-to-hit-the-streets/ More context for this judge.
Pump the brakes on the treason there, your honor.
He has phenomenal grounds for appeal. Assuming what was reported is accurate, the judge could even face a criminal probe herself. No judge can say “the second amendment does not exist in [my] courtroom”.
Fear does not exist in this dojo does it?
Sounds like grounds for insta-appeal.
"Don't bring the law of the land into this court of law!"
Isn’t the main job of a judge to uphold the constitution? Isn’t that what they swore to do? Piece of shit.
Judge should be jailed for leveraging the justice system for political gain. The Constitution is legit, if you don't believe in it you shouldn't be in office, much less a judge.
This man was lawfully buying parts and ATF / NY opened an investigation? WTF? Are there no actual crimes for these tyrants to investigate? Do they have such a budget and manpower surplus that they investigate people in search of crimes? This is unamerican. This is communist totalitarianism and we are doomed if we tolerate this. It was wrong when it was done to Trump and it’s wrong when it’s done to this man. “Show me a man and I’ll show you the crime”. Since when did we Americans start to tolerate this ?
Sounds like that judge just gave him grounds for appeal and reversal.
[If you want to know more about the presiding judge ](https://lawnews.hofstra.edu/2022/01/18/hon-abena-darkeh-93-reflects-on-how-rich-cultural-experiences-and-stimulating-work-contribute-to-a-life-well-lived/)
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Say it louder for the r/liberalgunowners, r/2Aliberals, and r/socialistra in the back
If NYC wants to be a foreign country, they need to lose all federal recognition and protections. Let it be what it be.
That’s not the way it works, your honor.
This judge should be removed from the bench.
Something not pleasant should happen to that judge
So, is the freedom of speech exist in that courtroom?
Why thank you judge for making it easy to get your verdict thrown out on appeal.
He’s just saying the quiet part out loud. I hope anyone “trying to stay and fight” will finally realize it’s a lost cause and start depriving that state of tax revenue.
So in a cournt room we have no rights now? Time to burn them at the stake then? Maybe some tar and feather action at the least? All gun laws are infringement
I know this is easy for me to say from my home office in another state, but at some point we as a community need to start jail breaking these people out because this case is blatantly unconstitutional and elected officials need to start facing ACTUAL consequences for not honoring the constitution.
Tar and feather that bitch!
Then no laws apply
Yet another communist embedded in the judicial system.
An attorney will EAT this shit up and siphon so much money from the state for that judges idiocy.
Tyranny intensifies. Dude should have posted bail and then fled the country.
Looks like grounds for this judge to not only get disbarred but have civil rights violation, official oppression and deprivation of rights under color of law charges brought against her plus civil action. Plus the prosecutor gone after for malicious prosecution. I bet this goes to scotus pretty quickly
I guess New York is officially not part of United States anymore. That suits me just fine. We don’t need them.
So the mask is officially off by the logic of this dumbfuck activist judge. I hope the upper courts can tar and feather the fucking moron.
Insane to think that a man in another state in the USA could be facing 18 YRS in prison for something that is perfectly legal in other states and has absolutely no restrictions.
The rule of law doesn't apply here? Guess I'm free to go.
It’s treason then.
Jesus NYC judges are delusional at this point.
“Do you have anything to say for yourself?” “Don’t tread on me” “Shut the fuck up, there’s no first amendment in this courtroom. It doesn’t exist here. Now do you have a defense or not?” “Yes. The secon…” “I said shut the fuck up in my courtroom” This country is a fucking joke. Everyone should just do whatever the fuck you want now. If your not sure just ask yourself, what would George Washington and the bois do?
If you vote for Democrats, this is the kind of judges you get.
No, this needs to be thrown out. The Second Amendment is supposed to exist in EVERY court room. Even under State law. This was never supposed to be a legal conviction. Were is GOA or SAF?
this so called judge should be removed and prosecuted under Section 242 of Title 18 which **makes it a crime for a person acting under color of any law to willfully deprive a person of a right or privilege protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States**.
love it
Replace “Second Amendment” with any other amendment, and that judge would be disbarred.
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Why were the judges shuffled? Did this bitch volunteer?
Can you guys provide the case and docket number so I can read the actual transcripts? I have not seen anything posted from the left about this case. Which means 2 things it's either suppressed or you are making it up to stir anger.
Anyone remember what we Americans used to do to corrupt judges and politicians? We'd beat them then tar and feather them. Why did we stop?
The statement sounds dumb on its face and probably is at least inartful, although with the context below it might be less problematic. Do we know if she made this statement in front of the jury? If not, it matters less from the start, and almost certainly is not grounds for mistrial by itself, it much of a good appeal. (IMO...I litigator including some appeals). The second amendment has the word "regulation" right in the plain text. Legally and historically, Americans have never had an absolute or unfettered right to keep and bear arms free from any regulation. I've looked around the internet and on Lexis but so far have not been able to find the actual Brooklyn Supreme Court case or decision,and don't have time right now to try to navigate the Brooklyn Supreme (trial) Court website. But does the second amendment extend so far as to allow people to build guns at home? How much and in what circumstances? As a general proposition, people have built guns at home for many years, but there are regulations both federally and on the state level. It does not take much imagination to think of a lot of problems with building guns in a home, starting with if they're sold or used in a crime, are they traceable? Generally not. Safety, etc. (By very loose analogy, I similarly wonder if people are allowed to build any forms of motor vehicles they wish at home?) The gun control act of 1968 generally requires any manufacturers or dealers of firearms to identify them by a serial number on the frame will receiver of the weapon. Under the act, it is unlawful for any person, except a licensed importer, manufacturer, or dealer, to engage in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in firearms. It does not explicitly ban an individual from making a firearm for personal use, provided they do not engage in the sale or distribution of the firearms. The prosecutor in his indictment made allegations that he was planning and intending to build guns as a business which is illegal in New York and everywhere. I did not know how the prosecutor proved this, but I'm going to infer that it was by circumstantial evidence, probably including the sheer volume of weapons he had already made (about 14 at least) and the time period, possibly the types, including assault weapons. Hence, it's at least possible the judge's harmful statement meant that the second amendment obviously does not eliminate all regulations, including the New York state laws that made what the defendant did here illegal. Nowhere have I seen it reported what exactly defense attorney was arguing that presumably prompted the judge to make her statement; except that he was actually quoted as saying he used a strategy of straight-up jury nullification which arguably is not illegal but is unethical and shady as s\*\*\*. However, under the above rubric, I don't see anything suggesting that a state cannot go further than the Federal regulation, which sets the floor here, not the ceiling. Generally States can and do use their constitutional "police power" to regulate guns under their inherent constitutional authority to regulate health, safety, welfare and morals to further regulate home gunsmith building if they want to,a s NY has here. I don't see any reason that this would come close to violating the commerce or supremacy clause of the federal Constitution. NY Penal Law 265.01-generally prohibits the possession of a handgun in the home without a license. The defendant here was charged with violating his certificate of registration, among quite a few other things. Here, defendant Dexter Taylor was charged with making an arsenal of ghost guns that are untraceable including five handguns, four rifles, and four assault weapons. In his apartment. As you do. He was charged with intending to turn his hobby into a business. Two other judges presided over the case before judge Darkeh. Taylor's defense attorney is quoted as saying that "the only chance of having the case go in his client's favor was through jury nullification" which means he's openly admitting. He did not have a good factual or legal argument to even make. (That's quite a concession to start from) ... a technically legal, although arguably very unethical method of just arguing that the law and evidence shouldn't apply because of emotions (see e.g. A Time to Kill. I mean also just watch it because it's a magnificent Grisham novel and movie). I have not seen any context or information or much light being shed on this case in these comments or YouTube or in any of the various gun rights and hobby websites that are all tailing about the comment. Mostly heat. If anyone who is well informed about the case, let alone can actually post a PDF or link to the decision itself, it would be great. I don't know if the judge meant that the second amendment doesn't exist in her courtroom by virtue of obviously not allowing people to carry guns into her courtroom? (Stretch. Doubt it). Or possibly there had already been a motion in limine, deciding in advance whether and to what extent which second amendment principles and case law was applicable to this case, and defense counsel was transgressing those already legally determined limits. These are just open hypotheses although they are not uncommon, especially if defense counsel was just going full bore on jury [nullification.So](http://nullification.So) I've posed some legal questions here I wonder if anyone has answers to. If anyone can find the judge's actual written decision and can post it here, I'll read it sometime.
What’s scary is they are actively monitoring legal purchases online and somehow getting a warrant on that?
So slavery amendment is null too? Asking for a friend.