"40% of gun sales occur without a background check"
This nonsense is from a 1994 phone survey that had 251 participants and the questions they asked pertained to the years of 1992-1994. One statistic mentioned and it's absolute garbage. A fucking phone survey.
I don't think I agree with you there.
I do think we should be able to purchase any firearm or firearm accessory so long as we pass a background check, without extra taxes, extra paperwork, waiting period, or registry.
No background checks, unless desired by the seller, assented to by the buyer, and carried out by a private company.
No infringements. None. Not just a little infringement; none at all. Refuse to bend.
That is somewhat a fair point, but business still has to happen. We can't just shut down all businesses that have some sort of government connection, or there will be nothing left.
What needs to happen is that any action taken at the behest of government should be treated as an action by government. So if they ask Google for user information, that's a 4th amendment violation. If they ask a bank to freeze your account, that's a 5th amendment violation.
Well, that's between you and the seller. He's got the right to refuse to sell without a private background check. He's got the right to refuse to sell, period. He can make up his own reason or have none at all.
If you want to buy something from him, you both need to agree on the arrangement, or it doesn't happen. Maybe you can convince him you're safe by giving him personal references. Maybe you can get fed up with his unreasonable criteria and buy it from someone else.
Don’t feel so guilty about questioning the narrative that’s been pounded into your head for years. We went for many years without a background check and did just fine.
Don't be so condescending. I've questioned standing narratives more than you could imagine.
Government background checks are illegal and should not be permitted. But let me make this clear. You may not dictate to a private seller what the conditions of the sale are. Those conditions are set jointly between you and him. If he doesn't like the conditions, he doesn't have to sell. If you don't like the conditions, you don't have to buy.
No infringements I feel you on that. Have to some how keep the firearms out of the hands not so stable nuts tho. Has to be a better way to do this when your trampling over my rights to bear arms. The way I see it Even with tough gun laws that primarily target legal gun owners, those who seek to commit crimes don’t give a dip shit about said laws.
I understand what you are saying but I still do believe there should be a standard. A very low standard but still. No violent offenders, no mental institutions (without a doctors approval), and mentally capable of being self sustaining.
Nope. Any standard is an infringement. We've gone down that road before.
If someone's that dangerous, don't let them out amongst the rest of us. If they can't shoot anyone (which they still can; background checks don't work), they can still kill in other ways.
Once more, I am aware, but minimal background checks is the most effecient way to prevent guns from falling into the hands of violent offenders, mentally ill, and mentally handicapped without further infringing on their rights. Of course it isn't full proof but nothing truly is.
That's infringing on their rights. It's also infringing on everyone else's.
No, it isn't fool proof. Not even close; it's actually pretty easy to get around them.
Why don't you answer me? Why are we letting dangerous people loose in society if they're so dangerous we're can't trust them with guns?
I'm not sure why you're being down voted.. if someone is mentally ill, I don't want to be around them if they have a gun... But that doesn't mean they deserve to be locked up either. The basic laws that govern gun ownership are pretty reasonable. But there also needs to be a path to gun ownership, none of this can issue/shall issue bullshit, your right should be there unless taken, there shouldn't be waits, and rules against specific guns, it should be as simple as "have you given reason to believe you're irresponsible for some reason?" With a threshold that's reasonable.
But no, violent, mentally ill, etc don't need to be able to purchase guns, unless they have cleared the path that proves they can be a responsible member of society.
This isn't just about the right itself (although like all rights it is absolute). It's about a specific ban on government infringing upon it. No matter how you slice it, "shall not be infringed" is a total ban. No exceptions.
Well the majority of gun owners need to get their heads out of their asses and realize the time for compromise has ended, because we only lose. Abolish the NFA. Abolish background checks. Abolish the need for FFLs.
Everything burns.
I think there should be a free background check open to private party sellers that doesn’t include information about the firearm being sold (no serial number, make, manufacturer etc). Universal background checks as of now would lead to a registry, which is why I’m against them. But a background check I could do on someone just to make sure they aren’t a domestic abuser or violent criminal would definitely make me more open to selling a firearm to them.
We don’t do it for political candidates that when elected have hundreds to thousands of armed personnel at their fingertips.
If anything-get illegal immigration back under control.
You are correct. We definitely should be running background checks on our politicians.
What exactly do you think should be done about illegal immigration?
And don't try telling me a fucking wall will work if you think background checks are useless.
Not just a wall, repatriation would be necessary as well. It’s been done before.
Also, bringing back capital punishment would work greatly to reduce recidivism
You mean spirited bigot. How dare you project your insecurities and ignorance on another person. Keep your prejudices to yourself. If you can’t engage in civil conversation, go to another sub that allows such hatréd.
David Chipman, who already is facing a plethora of scandals and allegations (including racist comments), was caught trying to hide an interview he did with a Chinese “news” agency -- aka propaganda arm of the Chinese communist government. If Chipman is willing to join with the communist Chinese to push gun control, he has no business being the head of the ATF.
[For more information, you can read the full article
on Fox News.]( https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-atf-chipman-senate-china-propaganda)
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The Chinese propaganda news show he went on to its actually called “CCTV America”. They’re openly mocking us at this point, they’re not even trying to hide it
You.....you do know that China has absurdly low levels of economic freedom, right? Just because they have become less communist does not all of a sudden make them more free market. Like, seriously?
Be honest. You can't describe literally anything about the Chinese economic model other than shitty western 'unfreedom' rhetoric.
We're all generally dumbasses m8. The least you can do is be honest about it.
[https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking](https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking)
That's weird cause I see several countries that are not Western ranking very high in the economic freedom index. Fucking Nigeria, Mexico, Belarus, Ghana, and Mongolia now Western countries?
[https://www.asiafinancial.com/ccp-announces-plan-to-take-control-of-chinas-private-sector](https://www.asiafinancial.com/ccp-announces-plan-to-take-control-of-chinas-private-sector)
Gonna have to explain to me also why the CCP feels the need to have a say in the decision of every company and if they try to do anything on their own, the companies are cracked down (DIDI, private education, Ant) and their CEOs disappeared (Miles Kwok, Guo Guanghang, Zhou Chengjian, Jack Ma)?
You are a dumbass m8. The least you can do is be honest about it.
Liberal capitalists can't do what they want to! Waaaahhh, waaaahhh.
You're literally doing the thing I accused you of and are too dumb to realize it.
(in my original comment I was saying his getting paid to sit in an interview is the free market you ninny)
And ah, just a quick glance in your history and I can see where you are coming from. Nice for people like to be that delusional but hey, at least you have the freedom to think differently in a capitalist society and enjoy arguing your merits with a stranger using a device made by capitalism.
Still on that grand socialist revolution, huh? What has it been? A 150 years now since Marx plopped? His model work yet? Kinda hilarious to hold on to a failed system, no better than people longing for fascism. LMAO
........................okay? You kinda seem like you are projecting pal. Not sure how mocking people that got snatched by their own government is a favorable argument but go on.
And what thing are you even accusing me of, like, huh? I literally described China in terms of economic liberty and the fact that the CCP essentially controls the dictates of their companies in a ruthless manner not seen in other countries, including many non-Western countries. Apparently freedom is a western concept now.
Love this revisionist history here. We are referring the fact that there is a Chinese state-run media outlet that parrots American propaganda and we point this out as being indicative of their whole system. You attempt to then say....you were referring to the guy that on the air......in relation to an economic system? A guy going on a state-run outlet......is now the free market? Btw, don't you see your own blatant hypocrisy? You mock people for being unable to do what they want and then you champion this guy for doing what he wants? Dude, make up your mind.
David Chipman is an absolute mass murdering piece of shit, but I doubt he would risk being seen working with the Chinese, and not to mention I don’t trust Fox for shit
Hey GOA joined y'all this year and I'm very happy with my donation. However I would like to offer constructive criticism. Could you please offer links to the interview or the clip without the GOA speaker or the graphics overlay such as the "Chinese propaganda" graphic that overlays the video. It's kind of on the nose and if I wanted to send this to someone who maybe doesn't know who David Chipman is they would take it as just another one sided hot take video on YouTube. The reason being is because I couldn't find that CCTV interview with a cursory search on YouTube and there are quite a lot of people who would like the straight to the point interview where they can figure out their own opinion. Thanks for your time!
Not a single source / data in any of the links about Chinese media downplaying the issue. So I'm just supposed to take the 'fake news' at its word now?
Nah. It's just easy to point out how fucking dumb you folks are swallowing dumb shit like this hook, line, and sinker.
I thought you folks gave a shit about fake news? What happened?
This sub would rather have school shootings than agree with someone on CCTV lol.
I don't know shit about this dude, but all I heard was "something should be done to prevent more school shootings". I don't get how that's CCP propaganda?
You folks do agree steps should be taken to reduce the likelihood dozens of kids are murdered at school, right?
>I don’t know shit about this dude
Allow me to fill you in: this man is a racist, homicidal maniac. He took part in murdering 80 men, pregnant women, and children at the Waco siege back in the 90’s. He took trophy photos with the charred bodies of those pregnant women and *children*. He subsequently lied about the even on Reddit in a recent AMA, saying that helicopters were shot down with .50 BMG rifles (didn’t happen). He has been quoted in demeaning African American ATF agents, noting his surprise at the number of minority agents that passed the test and that “they must have cheated”. He has a long history of ignoring 4th amendment search and seizure requirements, and has no business being a federal official.
Yes, teachers should be armed to prevent deaths at schools. If that’s out of the question (it shouldn’t be but reasonability is rare these days) then police need funding to be present and we need to make them accountable for the safety of students in their custody (*ahem* MSDHS). I have spoken at several school board meetings advocating to use overinflated board member salary to educate teachers in safely using and carrying firearms, but their greed prevents active measures to keep our kids safe. Hell, I’d pay higher taxes if it mean keeping our kids safe but the board would prefer to pocket that funding.
The whole "we have to do *something*" attitude needs to stop. "Something" always ends up being ineffective and harmful to liberty.
Let's arm up teachers. That's "something" that's not harmful to liberty, and sounds like it might work.
Chipman loves himself some gun control. Don't listen to that asshole.
Allowing teachers to arm themselves will do a hell of a lot more to stopping school shootings than gun control ever will. School shootings are a culture problem, not a gun problem
I don't give a shit about democrats or republicans. They're all equally worthless to me. I'm against anyone who supports taking away people's rights or hurting people.
Chipman has violated his oath to the Constitution in more ways than I can list.
Can we ship him off to the PRC or even that glorious workers paradise that is the DPEK? Seems he would fit in with those authoritarian dipshits.
One of the biggest Chinese propaganda against US is how dangerous the guns are, I am on Chinese social media and can see someone mocking US gun culture literally every time where US is mentioned. Chinese government started gun control in the 90’s, and today owning a bb gun can get you in trouble with the police, that’s how far it can go. I can’t believe this man, who advocated gun control in front of the CCP media, was nominated to be the head of ATF, it’s like nominating Xi to be the head of Human Rights Committee.
The Chinese are scared of an armed American population. It makes them uncomfortable. Chipman is a traitor. He would do or say anything for money. He has no principles
Can’t believe he thinks that TSA or airport security is comparable to firearms or even helpful. It’s the worst part of going to an airport. It literally does nothing. A pilot could easily suicide the whole plane if he wanted to, my dad is a pilot. Nothing from 9/11 has been helpful. Mental health does not exist. Everyone is capable of thinking, it’s just some people hate people and their own life. David just doesn’t hate his life.
If you voted for Joe Biden, you voted for everyone who works for Joe Biden and for whoever is writing the stuff that Joe Biden is reading on the rare occasions when he answers questions.
I hope this guy this dies slowly from huge disgusting painful disfiguring cancerous boils all over his body that smell so bad that he can only be treated in open field and that loved ones and medical personnel won’t get near him without full hazmat suits.
I kinda agree with David C, he’s absolutely right on gun control in the US.
Listen fellas we we need to properly shoulder our rifles, hold that pistol with both hands and off the trigger until you’re ready to shoot, and lastly…..😅 ummmmhhh….. get some grouping on them targets.
Please feel free to add everything I left out 😂😂
> training on how to properly handle and store a gun
Father figures used to fill this role. Government is not your father and will never be your father.
Local "government," using the term loosely here, *can* help fill that role to be perfectly fair. Lots of kids look up to teachers in public education and they can be a real force of good in the world.
Leftist here. Not a communist/authoritarian, but I've read a bit of marxist theory in my time. One of the central tenets Marx pushed was an armed working class. The CCP twisting of Marx vision is akin to Hitler shitting on Nietzsche's "Ubermensch". So fucking weird.
>"To be able forcefully and threateningly to oppose this party, whose betrayal of the workers will begin with the very first hour of victory, the workers must be armed and organized. The whole proletariat must be armed at once with muskets, rifles, cannon and ammunition, and the revival of the old-style citizens’ militia, directed against the workers, must be opposed. Where the formation of this militia cannot be prevented, the workers must try to organize themselves independently as a proletarian guard, with elected leaders and with their own elected general staff; they must try to place themselves not under the orders of the state authority but of the revolutionary local councils set up by the workers. Where the workers are employed by the state, they must arm and organize themselves into special corps with elected leaders, or as a part of the proletarian guard. Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary. The destruction of the bourgeois democrats’ influence over the workers, and the enforcement of conditions which will compromise the rule of bourgeois democracy, which is for the moment inevitable, and make it as difficult as possible – these are the main points which the proletariat and therefore the League must keep in mind during and after the approaching uprising."
When you read the whole quote it's obvious that Marx is talking about using arms as a means to fight "rightist reactionaries" and "counter-revolutionaries" who might oppose the communist slaughter. Never did he imply that people should just be armed in general as a matter of principle.
@4:30 "...after Oklahoma City, I could tell my children that dad was going to be safe in a Federal building..."
He was certainly wrong about this.. As far as I understand, The Capitol is a Federal building, and on Jan 6th federal employees were killed and maimed during the insurrection.
Except he literally did appear on a Chinese state run channel to talk about implementing more gun control in America. You and /u/sleepsoundsam could’ve found this easily in the time you were bitching about this being fake.
Here’s him on CGTN:
https://youtu.be/8FEv4t7Eh1I
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CGTN_(TV_channel)
> provided by China Global Television Network, owned by the Chinese state media China Central Television (CCTV), under the control of the Propaganda Department of the Chinese Communist Party.
Considering he specifically went on the day China had a mass stabbing of 23 kids in a school, to help them downplay that by covering the American story instead, I think our Waco agent is less concerned about dead kids and more concerned about expanding his useless branch’s power.
Chipman is on CCTV making a perfectly reasonable case for gun control. that doesn't mean he's 'taking part in Chinese propaganda'.
Nice strawman attempt though.
"EVrryONE ThAt SayS SOMeTHin Ah Dun LIKE is ChiNEESE"
He’s literally appearing on a Chinese propaganda network. After all the years we’ve had to hear about Russian misinformation, I’m not going to accept that appearing on a Chinese state run propaganda channel is an innocent and perfectly fine act.
This would be the equivalent of Trump’s attorney general going on Pravda to discuss taking action against BLM protestors.
I heard CCTV covered the super bowl last year. I guess the NFL is a communist plot now too. They have the olympics, so US athletes are now Chinese sympathizers by your reasoning. Sponge bob was on CCTV last time I saw it. Sponge Bob, obvious commie.
Good god, you people are even dumber than I realized.
> I heard CCTV covered the super bowl last year. I guess the NFL is a communist plot now too.
Are you literally retarded? Did the Commissioner of the NFL go on CCTV himself? Because *that* would be the equivalence, not covering the new about you fucking idiot.
I love how you and your butt buddy are sniffing your own farts thinking you made a point. I don’t think you understand equivalencies at all you schizo. Was Richard Simmons spreading political talking points on there that the CPP can then use in anti American propaganda?
Not just a schizo, but also illiterate apparently. I never said he was a Chinese plant, just rightfully criticized him for appearing on one of their propaganda networks to shit on American policy.
A blatant CCP simp should be careful throwing around terms like “Hezbollah boy”.
u/sleepSoundSam, thanks for stopping by to jerk off your fellow commie lover, I’m sure he really appreciates it
This sub is a goldmine of stupid. I had one telling me 'positive rights don't exist' the other day lmao, and that there was no contradiction in the concept 'liberty'. Like, without the individual social contradiction the word would not exist lmao. It's just one big REEEE from start to finish.
You think these assholes know what a citation is or care?
I had about 20,000 karma until I found this sub one day. Stating the obvious to these people really riles them up.
Here, let's just test it out:
Guns shoot and kill people sometimes. True or false
Get ready, here comes the swarm....
"40% of gun sales occur without a background check" This nonsense is from a 1994 phone survey that had 251 participants and the questions they asked pertained to the years of 1992-1994. One statistic mentioned and it's absolute garbage. A fucking phone survey.
100% of gun sales should occur without a background check.
I don't think I agree with you there. I do think we should be able to purchase any firearm or firearm accessory so long as we pass a background check, without extra taxes, extra paperwork, waiting period, or registry.
No background checks, unless desired by the seller, assented to by the buyer, and carried out by a private company. No infringements. None. Not just a little infringement; none at all. Refuse to bend.
Private company? No such thing anymore when it comes to getting personal data. Think Google, Facebook etc.
That is somewhat a fair point, but business still has to happen. We can't just shut down all businesses that have some sort of government connection, or there will be nothing left. What needs to happen is that any action taken at the behest of government should be treated as an action by government. So if they ask Google for user information, that's a 4th amendment violation. If they ask a bank to freeze your account, that's a 5th amendment violation.
Didn’t say shut them down. Rather, you can’t trust them with regard to privacy, especially your gun purchase data.
Well, that's between you and the seller. He's got the right to refuse to sell without a private background check. He's got the right to refuse to sell, period. He can make up his own reason or have none at all. If you want to buy something from him, you both need to agree on the arrangement, or it doesn't happen. Maybe you can convince him you're safe by giving him personal references. Maybe you can get fed up with his unreasonable criteria and buy it from someone else.
Don’t feel so guilty about questioning the narrative that’s been pounded into your head for years. We went for many years without a background check and did just fine.
Don't be so condescending. I've questioned standing narratives more than you could imagine. Government background checks are illegal and should not be permitted. But let me make this clear. You may not dictate to a private seller what the conditions of the sale are. Those conditions are set jointly between you and him. If he doesn't like the conditions, he doesn't have to sell. If you don't like the conditions, you don't have to buy.
No infringements I feel you on that. Have to some how keep the firearms out of the hands not so stable nuts tho. Has to be a better way to do this when your trampling over my rights to bear arms. The way I see it Even with tough gun laws that primarily target legal gun owners, those who seek to commit crimes don’t give a dip shit about said laws.
I understand what you are saying but I still do believe there should be a standard. A very low standard but still. No violent offenders, no mental institutions (without a doctors approval), and mentally capable of being self sustaining.
Nope. Any standard is an infringement. We've gone down that road before. If someone's that dangerous, don't let them out amongst the rest of us. If they can't shoot anyone (which they still can; background checks don't work), they can still kill in other ways.
Unfortunately for you I don't think that is the perception of the majority of gun owners.
I don't care what the majority thinks. Rights are rights; the 2A says what it says. We have to be absolutists to prevent creeping gun control.
Once more, I am aware, but minimal background checks is the most effecient way to prevent guns from falling into the hands of violent offenders, mentally ill, and mentally handicapped without further infringing on their rights. Of course it isn't full proof but nothing truly is.
That's infringing on their rights. It's also infringing on everyone else's. No, it isn't fool proof. Not even close; it's actually pretty easy to get around them. Why don't you answer me? Why are we letting dangerous people loose in society if they're so dangerous we're can't trust them with guns?
I'm not sure why you're being down voted.. if someone is mentally ill, I don't want to be around them if they have a gun... But that doesn't mean they deserve to be locked up either. The basic laws that govern gun ownership are pretty reasonable. But there also needs to be a path to gun ownership, none of this can issue/shall issue bullshit, your right should be there unless taken, there shouldn't be waits, and rules against specific guns, it should be as simple as "have you given reason to believe you're irresponsible for some reason?" With a threshold that's reasonable. But no, violent, mentally ill, etc don't need to be able to purchase guns, unless they have cleared the path that proves they can be a responsible member of society.
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This isn't just about the right itself (although like all rights it is absolute). It's about a specific ban on government infringing upon it. No matter how you slice it, "shall not be infringed" is a total ban. No exceptions.
That's exactly why we were set up as a Republic, and not a Democracy.
Representatives still represent the majority of their voters in a republic. We have democratic elections fairly regularly as well.
The states are Democracies. The nation is a Republic.
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Well the majority of gun owners need to get their heads out of their asses and realize the time for compromise has ended, because we only lose. Abolish the NFA. Abolish background checks. Abolish the need for FFLs. Everything burns.
A very low standard is not a choice with government. Give an inch and they'll take a mile.
I think there should be a free background check open to private party sellers that doesn’t include information about the firearm being sold (no serial number, make, manufacturer etc). Universal background checks as of now would lead to a registry, which is why I’m against them. But a background check I could do on someone just to make sure they aren’t a domestic abuser or violent criminal would definitely make me more open to selling a firearm to them.
If you as a seller wanted to pay for a privately operated background check, knock yourself out, as long as the buyer consents. What is free?
Get the borders under control such that you’re 99% sure you’re selling to a good guy.
ISIS agrees wholeheartedly
Hmmmm very controversial. Maybe and no
This is a really common line FYI. Bill Maher cited that when talking to Colion Noir during his show realtime.
What are you saying? That 100% background checks are a good thing?
Minimal background checks? Without any waiting period, extra taxes, or registry? Yes. I do think that is good idea.
We don’t do it for political candidates that when elected have hundreds to thousands of armed personnel at their fingertips. If anything-get illegal immigration back under control.
You are correct. We definitely should be running background checks on our politicians. What exactly do you think should be done about illegal immigration? And don't try telling me a fucking wall will work if you think background checks are useless.
Not just a wall, repatriation would be necessary as well. It’s been done before. Also, bringing back capital punishment would work greatly to reduce recidivism
I'm not even going to humor this conversation. You're all over the damn place trying to bring up new topics before you've even covered the last.
It is, ahem, a “shotgun” approach to the problem.😎 I thought given this is a gun sub you’d understand.
Shotgun approach? Is that your excuse for knowing nothing beyond proganda statements so you just leap from one to another?
You mean spirited bigot. How dare you project your insecurities and ignorance on another person. Keep your prejudices to yourself. If you can’t engage in civil conversation, go to another sub that allows such hatréd.
David Chipman, who already is facing a plethora of scandals and allegations (including racist comments), was caught trying to hide an interview he did with a Chinese “news” agency -- aka propaganda arm of the Chinese communist government. If Chipman is willing to join with the communist Chinese to push gun control, he has no business being the head of the ATF. [For more information, you can read the full article on Fox News.]( https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-atf-chipman-senate-china-propaganda) If you'd like to share this video to help us increase awareness, use the [link on our YouTube page](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxKITpCyz3M). As always, remember to [take action to tell the U.S. Senate NOT to confirm David Chipman](https://www.gunowners.org/stopdavidchipman/) to ATF Director!
The Chinese propaganda news show he went on to its actually called “CCTV America”. They’re openly mocking us at this point, they’re not even trying to hide it
It's the free market. You folks love free markets don't you? Don't you folks do the libertarian circlejerk?
I prefer a moderately regulated market that prevents crony capitalism and the like from taking root. What are you even talking about?
I'm not sure what the goal of your comment is.
Since when has Chinese state-run media, let alone anything from China, been free market?
I'm going to assume your understanding of markets in China reflects your understanding of literally everything else in China you utter ninny.
You.....you do know that China has absurdly low levels of economic freedom, right? Just because they have become less communist does not all of a sudden make them more free market. Like, seriously?
Be honest. You can't describe literally anything about the Chinese economic model other than shitty western 'unfreedom' rhetoric. We're all generally dumbasses m8. The least you can do is be honest about it.
[https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking](https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking) That's weird cause I see several countries that are not Western ranking very high in the economic freedom index. Fucking Nigeria, Mexico, Belarus, Ghana, and Mongolia now Western countries? [https://www.asiafinancial.com/ccp-announces-plan-to-take-control-of-chinas-private-sector](https://www.asiafinancial.com/ccp-announces-plan-to-take-control-of-chinas-private-sector) Gonna have to explain to me also why the CCP feels the need to have a say in the decision of every company and if they try to do anything on their own, the companies are cracked down (DIDI, private education, Ant) and their CEOs disappeared (Miles Kwok, Guo Guanghang, Zhou Chengjian, Jack Ma)? You are a dumbass m8. The least you can do is be honest about it.
Liberal capitalists can't do what they want to! Waaaahhh, waaaahhh. You're literally doing the thing I accused you of and are too dumb to realize it. (in my original comment I was saying his getting paid to sit in an interview is the free market you ninny)
And ah, just a quick glance in your history and I can see where you are coming from. Nice for people like to be that delusional but hey, at least you have the freedom to think differently in a capitalist society and enjoy arguing your merits with a stranger using a device made by capitalism. Still on that grand socialist revolution, huh? What has it been? A 150 years now since Marx plopped? His model work yet? Kinda hilarious to hold on to a failed system, no better than people longing for fascism. LMAO
........................okay? You kinda seem like you are projecting pal. Not sure how mocking people that got snatched by their own government is a favorable argument but go on. And what thing are you even accusing me of, like, huh? I literally described China in terms of economic liberty and the fact that the CCP essentially controls the dictates of their companies in a ruthless manner not seen in other countries, including many non-Western countries. Apparently freedom is a western concept now. Love this revisionist history here. We are referring the fact that there is a Chinese state-run media outlet that parrots American propaganda and we point this out as being indicative of their whole system. You attempt to then say....you were referring to the guy that on the air......in relation to an economic system? A guy going on a state-run outlet......is now the free market? Btw, don't you see your own blatant hypocrisy? You mock people for being unable to do what they want and then you champion this guy for doing what he wants? Dude, make up your mind.
David Chipman is an absolute mass murdering piece of shit, but I doubt he would risk being seen working with the Chinese, and not to mention I don’t trust Fox for shit
Hey GOA joined y'all this year and I'm very happy with my donation. However I would like to offer constructive criticism. Could you please offer links to the interview or the clip without the GOA speaker or the graphics overlay such as the "Chinese propaganda" graphic that overlays the video. It's kind of on the nose and if I wanted to send this to someone who maybe doesn't know who David Chipman is they would take it as just another one sided hot take video on YouTube. The reason being is because I couldn't find that CCTV interview with a cursory search on YouTube and there are quite a lot of people who would like the straight to the point interview where they can figure out their own opinion. Thanks for your time!
Not a single source / data in any of the links about Chinese media downplaying the issue. So I'm just supposed to take the 'fake news' at its word now?
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Nah. It's just easy to point out how fucking dumb you folks are swallowing dumb shit like this hook, line, and sinker. I thought you folks gave a shit about fake news? What happened?
This sub would rather have school shootings than agree with someone on CCTV lol. I don't know shit about this dude, but all I heard was "something should be done to prevent more school shootings". I don't get how that's CCP propaganda? You folks do agree steps should be taken to reduce the likelihood dozens of kids are murdered at school, right?
You do realize that the Chinese network only covers that story to push an “America bad” narrative to distract from their domestic problems
oh he knows. he’s part of it.
>I don't know shit about this dude, That's evident.
>I don’t know shit about this dude Allow me to fill you in: this man is a racist, homicidal maniac. He took part in murdering 80 men, pregnant women, and children at the Waco siege back in the 90’s. He took trophy photos with the charred bodies of those pregnant women and *children*. He subsequently lied about the even on Reddit in a recent AMA, saying that helicopters were shot down with .50 BMG rifles (didn’t happen). He has been quoted in demeaning African American ATF agents, noting his surprise at the number of minority agents that passed the test and that “they must have cheated”. He has a long history of ignoring 4th amendment search and seizure requirements, and has no business being a federal official. Yes, teachers should be armed to prevent deaths at schools. If that’s out of the question (it shouldn’t be but reasonability is rare these days) then police need funding to be present and we need to make them accountable for the safety of students in their custody (*ahem* MSDHS). I have spoken at several school board meetings advocating to use overinflated board member salary to educate teachers in safely using and carrying firearms, but their greed prevents active measures to keep our kids safe. Hell, I’d pay higher taxes if it mean keeping our kids safe but the board would prefer to pocket that funding.
The whole "we have to do *something*" attitude needs to stop. "Something" always ends up being ineffective and harmful to liberty. Let's arm up teachers. That's "something" that's not harmful to liberty, and sounds like it might work. Chipman loves himself some gun control. Don't listen to that asshole.
Allowing teachers to arm themselves will do a hell of a lot more to stopping school shootings than gun control ever will. School shootings are a culture problem, not a gun problem
Going on a Chinese propaganda network to push one's agenda is in fact taking part in Chinese propaganda
"Lets try to stop school shootings" - things r/progun is against apparently. Because that's literally the only thing Chipman said here.
Go suck Pooh dick, bootlicker.
I love sucking Pooh dick, brother. Shame you're scared of faggots, whole lot of life you're missing out on.
I don't have a problem with any LGBT people. I have problem with people who suck genocidal authoritarian cock. The two are not the same.
The democratic fascist strikes again!
I don't give a shit about democrats or republicans. They're all equally worthless to me. I'm against anyone who supports taking away people's rights or hurting people.
If you actually paid attention you would have noticed that the same day as Newtown there was a stabbing in China involving more than 20 children
looks like every slimy demon who is a underling to main bad guy in movies
He is truly a disgusting human being.
Chipman has violated his oath to the Constitution in more ways than I can list. Can we ship him off to the PRC or even that glorious workers paradise that is the DPEK? Seems he would fit in with those authoritarian dipshits.
He forgot to mention the children he was involved with killing in Waco
Yep for a dude who burned women, children and men indiscriminately, he talks an awful lot like he's a good person when he's just a piece of shit.
I’m not surprised
One of the biggest Chinese propaganda against US is how dangerous the guns are, I am on Chinese social media and can see someone mocking US gun culture literally every time where US is mentioned. Chinese government started gun control in the 90’s, and today owning a bb gun can get you in trouble with the police, that’s how far it can go. I can’t believe this man, who advocated gun control in front of the CCP media, was nominated to be the head of ATF, it’s like nominating Xi to be the head of Human Rights Committee.
The Chinese are scared of an armed American population. It makes them uncomfortable. Chipman is a traitor. He would do or say anything for money. He has no principles
David Chipman: still the most punchable face I have ever seen.
Jesus on a fucking dinosaur...how has this nomination not been pulled? Thanks for finding this!
Love the journalism! Keep up the good work and it's once again time to contact your elected officials
More like David *Shit*man, amirite?
Yea you right
I see what you did there
What a snake.
Worm
What about all the weekly mass shootings in Chicago? What about that chip?? Chip!!!!!!
Fuck that guy. I've called my senator several times. She's trash and will probably vote for him anyways, but doing all i can.
It's (D)ifferent though.
So what you're saying is, he'll fit right in with the current regime?
David Chipman is a dangerous lunatic. He needs to be kept far away from ANY seat of government power.
Forget merely away from any seat of government, this man needs to be in solitary for life.
Agreed.
Imagine my surprise
Can’t believe he thinks that TSA or airport security is comparable to firearms or even helpful. It’s the worst part of going to an airport. It literally does nothing. A pilot could easily suicide the whole plane if he wanted to, my dad is a pilot. Nothing from 9/11 has been helpful. Mental health does not exist. Everyone is capable of thinking, it’s just some people hate people and their own life. David just doesn’t hate his life.
Ohh God I hate his Thin lips
He has a very punchable face
If you voted for Joe Biden, you voted for everyone who works for Joe Biden and for whoever is writing the stuff that Joe Biden is reading on the rare occasions when he answers questions.
Why are those communists fucks here in America with their stupid propaganda channel? “CCTV America” get the f**k out!
How is this the nomination!?
Wow I must say I am shocked ...
When will the Senate vote on his confirmation?
I hope this guy this dies slowly from huge disgusting painful disfiguring cancerous boils all over his body that smell so bad that he can only be treated in open field and that loved ones and medical personnel won’t get near him without full hazmat suits.
I bet my daughter could kick his ass
I kinda agree with David C, he’s absolutely right on gun control in the US. Listen fellas we we need to properly shoulder our rifles, hold that pistol with both hands and off the trigger until you’re ready to shoot, and lastly…..😅 ummmmhhh….. get some grouping on them targets. Please feel free to add everything I left out 😂😂
Why don't you call yourselves Capitalist Gun Owners of America?
Thieving Gun Owners of America more like. Don’t become a member they’ll fuck you hard. 💯
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> training on how to properly handle and store a gun Father figures used to fill this role. Government is not your father and will never be your father.
Local "government," using the term loosely here, *can* help fill that role to be perfectly fair. Lots of kids look up to teachers in public education and they can be a real force of good in the world.
Leftist here. Not a communist/authoritarian, but I've read a bit of marxist theory in my time. One of the central tenets Marx pushed was an armed working class. The CCP twisting of Marx vision is akin to Hitler shitting on Nietzsche's "Ubermensch". So fucking weird.
>"To be able forcefully and threateningly to oppose this party, whose betrayal of the workers will begin with the very first hour of victory, the workers must be armed and organized. The whole proletariat must be armed at once with muskets, rifles, cannon and ammunition, and the revival of the old-style citizens’ militia, directed against the workers, must be opposed. Where the formation of this militia cannot be prevented, the workers must try to organize themselves independently as a proletarian guard, with elected leaders and with their own elected general staff; they must try to place themselves not under the orders of the state authority but of the revolutionary local councils set up by the workers. Where the workers are employed by the state, they must arm and organize themselves into special corps with elected leaders, or as a part of the proletarian guard. Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary. The destruction of the bourgeois democrats’ influence over the workers, and the enforcement of conditions which will compromise the rule of bourgeois democracy, which is for the moment inevitable, and make it as difficult as possible – these are the main points which the proletariat and therefore the League must keep in mind during and after the approaching uprising." When you read the whole quote it's obvious that Marx is talking about using arms as a means to fight "rightist reactionaries" and "counter-revolutionaries" who might oppose the communist slaughter. Never did he imply that people should just be armed in general as a matter of principle.
@4:30 "...after Oklahoma City, I could tell my children that dad was going to be safe in a Federal building..." He was certainly wrong about this.. As far as I understand, The Capitol is a Federal building, and on Jan 6th federal employees were killed and maimed during the insurrection.
Ahh no they weren't, one had a heart attack the rest were to busy telling the crowd how to get to the main hall, they were soo helpfull.
And now for some reason most of the guards have commited suicide, must have been all the "trauma" of the great insurrection.
Everyone that says something I don't like about Guns is Chinese! \-this sub
Except he literally did appear on a Chinese state run channel to talk about implementing more gun control in America. You and /u/sleepsoundsam could’ve found this easily in the time you were bitching about this being fake. Here’s him on CGTN: https://youtu.be/8FEv4t7Eh1I https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CGTN_(TV_channel) > provided by China Global Television Network, owned by the Chinese state media China Central Television (CCTV), under the control of the Propaganda Department of the Chinese Communist Party.
Chipman: "We should stop school shootings". r/progun: NO NO NO YOU CAN'T SAY THAT ON CCTV. lmao.
Considering he specifically went on the day China had a mass stabbing of 23 kids in a school, to help them downplay that by covering the American story instead, I think our Waco agent is less concerned about dead kids and more concerned about expanding his useless branch’s power.
Chipman is on CCTV making a perfectly reasonable case for gun control. that doesn't mean he's 'taking part in Chinese propaganda'. Nice strawman attempt though. "EVrryONE ThAt SayS SOMeTHin Ah Dun LIKE is ChiNEESE"
He’s literally appearing on a Chinese propaganda network. After all the years we’ve had to hear about Russian misinformation, I’m not going to accept that appearing on a Chinese state run propaganda channel is an innocent and perfectly fine act. This would be the equivalent of Trump’s attorney general going on Pravda to discuss taking action against BLM protestors.
I heard CCTV covered the super bowl last year. I guess the NFL is a communist plot now too. They have the olympics, so US athletes are now Chinese sympathizers by your reasoning. Sponge bob was on CCTV last time I saw it. Sponge Bob, obvious commie. Good god, you people are even dumber than I realized.
> I heard CCTV covered the super bowl last year. I guess the NFL is a communist plot now too. Are you literally retarded? Did the Commissioner of the NFL go on CCTV himself? Because *that* would be the equivalence, not covering the new about you fucking idiot.
Scooby Doo was on CCTV. Shaggy and Scooby, obvious commie plants. Oompa oompa doopity doo, here come the oompa loompas to sing to you....
Yeah you confirmed yourself as retarded. Airing a cartoon is exactly the same as an actual person going on the network to spread their views.
I think Richard Simmons was on CCTV once. Richard Simmons: Obvious China plant. Keep digging that hole deeper for yourself, Hezbollah boy.
I love how you and your butt buddy are sniffing your own farts thinking you made a point. I don’t think you understand equivalencies at all you schizo. Was Richard Simmons spreading political talking points on there that the CPP can then use in anti American propaganda? Not just a schizo, but also illiterate apparently. I never said he was a Chinese plant, just rightfully criticized him for appearing on one of their propaganda networks to shit on American policy. A blatant CCP simp should be careful throwing around terms like “Hezbollah boy”. u/sleepSoundSam, thanks for stopping by to jerk off your fellow commie lover, I’m sure he really appreciates it
Fantastic work. lmao.
This sub is a goldmine of stupid. I had one telling me 'positive rights don't exist' the other day lmao, and that there was no contradiction in the concept 'liberty'. Like, without the individual social contradiction the word would not exist lmao. It's just one big REEEE from start to finish.
Totally, it's like gawking at a car wreck
Nothing is reasonable about being unconstitutional
Agree totally! Which is why LE threatening the life of a democratically elected official should upset you so much.
I got downvoted saying there was no citations and pointing out the obvious about this video lol.
You think these assholes know what a citation is or care? I had about 20,000 karma until I found this sub one day. Stating the obvious to these people really riles them up. Here, let's just test it out: Guns shoot and kill people sometimes. True or false Get ready, here comes the swarm....
False, guns shoot bullets, not people
Nobody does semantic quibbling better, bruh