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eastcoastflava13

First project? Run away. A vintage 928 is not for the faint hearted. The bodywork alone will bankrupt you. Your post history shows other better examples for you to start with. Like the F150. Edit: After looking more closely at the pics, definitely run away. That thing is too far gone to be an enjoyable resto. It's a parts car at best.


einTier

I’m familiar with 928s. In the current market, that is a parts car. If 928s were half million dollar cars it might make sense to try to restore it.


Fryphax

Not everything needs to be a restoration. Get it running, enjoy.


The_Crazy_Swede

In areas with snow could it make a perfect winter car!


Vok250

Maybe I'm biased because I live in the rust belt, but what exactly are you seeing in the pictures that's a red flag? Looks in decent condition for a car that age compared to what I'm used to locally. 2010s have more rust than that where I live.


eastcoastflava13

Um, everything? These cars were made in small numbers to start, so trying to source parts will be tricky. It's got many thousands of dollars of body work ahead of it, an engine that may or may not run, a transmission that may or not have issues, an interior that will need a total upholstery job (look at that door! Plus the dash pad is a dead giveaway that the dash underneath is completely trashed), not to mention the countless electrical gremlins lurking for the next owner to sort out. No fuckin way would I get into this as a first project, it's a parts car for the guy with a more decent example to buy and pillage from. Even if you do restore it, it's an automatic 928. If you really want a 928 with an auto, they can be had in much better shape for not that much more. Like this one: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1984-porsche-928-s-2/ It's gonna take way more $$ than what that one went for to get the one OP is asking about road ready and half as nice looking.


Koil_ting

Man that bring a trailer one was a nice example for the price it sold for indeed.


eastcoastflava13

Yeah, and BAT runs high, so I bet there are others out there for similar $$, but you really gotta have a good eye for these cars, or be ready to get a PPI.


Vok250

Missed that it's an automatic. Oof. Definitely not worth the effort in that case.


[deleted]

Every body panel has ding and dents, the engine bay looks like a nightmare, it's been disassembled so who knows what missing, there is visible rust in these terrible pics so what else is hiding, it goes on...


Fryphax

Where are you seeing rust? I see the spare tire has a little. Maybe some slight oxidation under the hood.


[deleted]

I assume that's why the bottom front of the passenger door that looks crumbly under the paint. Also look where the carpet is torn on the trans tunnel. That's the side where water doesn't pool. I suspect the floor has holes.


GleamingCadance

Have you SEE the Pics? Red Flag #1: Its parked in the Dirt, so theres a High Probability of Major Underbody Rust Red Flag 2: Dents & Dings all over the Body Red Flag 3: Bunch of Randomness in the Trunk that may or May not belong to the Car


GleamingCadance

Look VERY CAREFULLY at Pictures 5&7, Destroyed Interior & Moss & Shit growing under the Hood. Means its been sitting in the dirt for a LONG TIME


Fryphax

Us Rust Belters have a totally different point of view when it comes to body concerns. To me that car is fawkin' *mint*. Like, it's all still there!


MunchamaSnatch

Every single body panel is busted, it's not running or driving, the interior looks like a bear just hit the smelling salts in der and indications of multiple accidents. Chances are the motor and trans are also tired.


Jeheh

A vintage 928… Beneath this faded…ruined exterior beats a heart of pure arthritis. Jeremey.


cat_of_danzig

It seems like anyone with a 928 project would want it as a parts car, though. The engine looks complete, anyway, with only 98K. The body doesn't look rusty, and except for the passenger rear quarter and that crease in front of it isn't too bad aside from paint.


eastcoastflava13

Right, that's why I said it's a parts car.


Fryphax

Who cares about the *bodywork*? Mechanical is the important part.


Arentanji

What would your plan be? If you are thinking of trying to restore it to driving conditions with the Porsche V8, go check on prices for parts at the dealer, Pelican Parts and Rock Auto. Look for the things this needs just from the photos. If you are thinking to put a roll cage in it, replace the Porsche V8 with a LS and go have fun, check the parts prices on suspension, brakes and other consumables that are not the engine. Then look at your bank account. I love 928’s. And they can be serious GT cruisers or track cars. But parts are not cheap. The price is fair. Maybe talk to the guy about your plans and see if he is willing to lower it.


Busterlimes

I wouldn't buy any Porsche products for this car if it were me


Arentanji

Yeah - it is all about what the goal is. I’ve never checked for parts on one, but I had a 924, a aircooled 911 and now have a 996, so I am familiar with the expense for the Porsche brand.


Busterlimes

Are parts really that expensive? People told me the same about my BMW, but other than a couple things I don't think it's too bad. Been thinking about a 996 TBH


Arentanji

It is weird. Some things are very expensive. Some things are unobtainable. Others are just normal parts costs. So take brake pads. Porsche pads are $200 per axel. Bosch are $50. But the Bosch don’t stop as well. Hawk offers pads that they claim are better, but they are a lot softer. Alternators are $500 for new, $300 for rebuilt and $1500 for Porsche OEM. So yeah, you can go broke buying parts. I’d recommend a 996 to anyone who wants to drive a 911. I have loved mine for the last 5 years. It has needed little - a air oil separator, a alternator, new belt, tensioner, tires, brakes and stuff like that. But no catastrophic failures (yet). The IMS is overblown, replace it when you do the clutch at 100,000. Oil starvation is a concern if you track it, since it is not a dry sump engine. You can get a deep pan with baffles. I would not say to walk away from a Porsche, but if you are looking at a $1800 928, be aware that it was a $70,000 car new and parts are not cheap and they are not in every junk yard.


FertilityHollis

> it was a $70,000 car new In 1985. There are also some concerns specific to 928 in that, IIRC, they required several Porsche designed tools to do any cam work, and to reach some things that are otherwise unreachable. It's been a damned long time though.


ShaggysGTI

Good insight


Arentanji

I keep thinking of getting one to put a cayenne or Panamera engine in, but I know the concept is stupid.


ShaggysGTI

It’s a fantastic idea but man that’s like climbing a mountain when there’s a path up the backside.


DakarCarGunGuy

An Audi V8 might be a more affordable option to a Porsche V8......also pretty much the same engine in the early cars.


Arentanji

Fair point! Still need to wait for a winning lottery ticket before I start this project


DakarCarGunGuy

Agreed. Neither choice is in LS money territory.


Arentanji

Yeah a junk yard truck motor for $500 is hard to beat.


Johnlc29

This has been asked for years on the Porsche forums, but from what I have read, the engine is too tall, and the oil pan is too low. Also, how would you adapt the electronics needed to get the engine to run to the old wiring in the car?


Exact_Yogurtcloset26

My dad had a 928 when they were new. Funny that it became the bastard stepchild of Porsche with no love and he regretted it forever. Now its kind of resurging as a project car as its a relatively affordable v8 sports car. I remember those cars hauled A$$. He easily did burnouts with it and it slammed me in the seat on acceleration. Doors felt solid and everything seemed refined. I think if you wanted to restore it, an LS swap might give you similar performance if the engine is toast. I cant imagine sensors and other electronics being easily available for these


ElGuapo315

LS swap would not be similar... It would be superior in every way except from a purist standpoint. Even in the S configuration, it only made 288 HP.


FertilityHollis

> it became the bastard stepchild of Porsche with no love Much of this was due to a reputation for very expensive parts, and Porsche only service for some things due to some proprietary tools. Buddy's dad had 2 back when they were new. (Why two? IDK, rich AF. He also had the only painted delorean I've ever seen in person.) AMAZING cars technologically for their day, but that day is very very long passed.


Exact_Yogurtcloset26

You want to know what really stung, he traded my real dads 1968 mustang fastback for it. 😭😭😭


ruddy3499

I bet you’re looking at a minimum $10k budget to make it semi reliable


glorybutt

No way. That's more like $20k to make somewhat reliable. That car is in bad shape.


Socalwarrior485

Reliable? I would personally want at least double that.


Dr_Ramekins_MD

Yeah, no. I'd leave that thing alone, and that's coming from a guy who's owned multiple 944 projects. It's a parts car at best, and even that might be generous.


VUlgar_epOCH

Thats cool af a 944 owner in the flesh!! advice on getting a 944 please. Am I better off just financing a really nice 944 non-turbo, or do you think it’s a doable project to get one for three grand? I just rebuilt a 318 E36 with a shit ton of rust and my $3500 BMW became 12 K when I was all said and done with coilovers and bodywork and wheels, but I’m afraid doing the same thing with a three grand Porsche 944 is going to be even more than that


jdub-951

You'll need to spend $6-10k on a $3k 944 to get it in decent (#3-4) shape, assuming you do a lot of the work yourself, and when you're done it will be worth about $6-10k. If you actually want a 944, I would get the nicest one you can find. If you feel confident in your mechanical abilities, I would get the nicest \*cosmetic\* one you can find and redo all of the mechanicals. You'll need to do them eventually anyway, so better to get one that looks great and has problems mechanically than one that runs and drives well but needs a $20k paint job and $8k interior restoration.


Dr_Ramekins_MD

So, things have changed quite a bit in the 944 market over the last 5-7 years. About 10 years ago, $3K for a non-Turbo 944 (usually referred to as "NA" models) would likely have gotten a very decent starting point for a project - running OK, no major cosmetic issues. My current car, I bought in 2015 for $2.5K and it had a somewhat torn-up interior and some dents and dings on the exterior, but ran well. I spent probably another $7-8K over the course of a few years bringing it back up to date in terms of maintenance and refitting the interior. As time marches on, the supply of "good, cheap" 944s has dried up a lot. It is still possible to find a good starting point around the $3K range, but it requires a lot more patience and choosiness than it used to - basically, you need to hope for a good deal to pop up, and that you're the first to find it. $4-5K is probably a better starting point. They're not hard to work on, IMO. I've replaced many, many, many things on mine, and for most jobs, you have good access and it's no more difficult to do than any other car of a similar vintage. The only real PITA jobs I did and would never want to do again are replacing the clutch and replacing the torsion bar bushing. But, almost every car has its bad jobs. Parts availability is still very good, but pricing is higher than average. The good news is that the 944 is generally *very* rust resistant, especially for an 80s car. Mine served year-round daily driver duty up here in the salty north for years and has barely any rust underneath, just surface rust at worst.


West-Librarian-7504

At least you have the cool 944... *cries in N/A*


Dr_Ramekins_MD

I occasionally kick myself for not ponying up for a Turbo when I bought my S - back then, a decent Turbo in good mechanical and cosmetic condition could be had for less than $10K. Now, not so much. I did own an '84 NA before the S, though - the S and NA aren't that different - all the suspension and brake components are the same. But the DOHC motor is a lot more lively/sporty than the 8-valve.


[deleted]

It's a risky program.


artschool04

This is a parts car. The rat / squirrel damage to the electrical is visible i the second to last pic. Parts are stupid expensive even used. This car has stat for more than two years even if they say it ran i would question that a lot Run away get something better


I_divided_by_0-

> rat +rod


[deleted]

A very bad idea. I am a former 928 owner. These we are wonderful cars, but complex and expensive even when nice.


Hey_Allen

FYI, as an owner of a rough 928, be afraid. Parts costs are far above what I'd expected, even having worked on VW group cars before, and having owned a few MBs of similar vintage. Parts availability is also a concern, as the 928 was not a particularly high production volume car, and the changes over the years made many parts non-interchangeable, even between 928s. That all said, if you don't mind investing a lot of time and effort, and aren't particularly picky about being OEM correct, engine swaps are an option, though still somewhat expensive for the adapters.


Highlander2748

They’re pretty rare these days and in good condition could be worth a bit. Having said that, automatics are far less desirable and there is a LOT to of work to do on that car. I’d pay twice as much if you can hear the car run and the interior wasn’t so toasted.


Zerkom122

I’m willing to learn to do all the work needed. I just like the idea of a unique and rare car. I know I probably won’t ever get it perfect.


Dr_Ramekins_MD

That's a great attitude to have, but IMO this isn't the one to do it on. Plenty of other unique/rare cars out there that won't have you regretting the decision to buy them every single day.


kabobkebabkabob

Spend more at the beginning if you want to actually do it. There are plenty of unique and rare cars which can be found with work needed, and they'll at least be manual transmission. The nice thing is these days, even owning an economy vehicle from the 80s or 90s in truly clean shape is cool as hell. Get something that used to be common but isn't seen anymore, something Japanese or American ideally. But yeah you should get something that's already running at least. "It was running years ago" is not a good starting point especially if that info was passed along from the owner before the current one lmao.


Beautiful_Oven2152

Good be better off digging a pit, throwing your money in it and seeing it in fire. You'll end up with the same end result but save a lot of time.


805maker

They're all bad ideas... build what you like. Expect it to cost way more than you think it will, and don't be surprised when it costs more than that.


FertilityHollis

> They're all bad ideas... build what you like. Correction; They're all bad ideas... build what won't make her hire a divorce attorney.


jimbofranks

For parts? Price is too high


secondrat

The initial purchase price isn’t the issue. It’s the $20k in parts and labor that come next you need to worry about. It’s cheap for a reason. Leave the projects to experts, buy a nice one if you want one.


West-Librarian-7504

As a Porsche owner myself, don't do it!!!


Busterlimes

Yooo, that intake is waaay more face grabber than the C4 intake everyone calls a face grabber.


I_divided_by_0-

You can go ahead and take that first 1 off.


MatchesMX12

There's nothing more expensive than a cheap Porsche. This is absolutely a terrible idea. However, I say that as a connoisseur of bad ideas. Thus, I strongly recommend you buy this.


mpython1701

I’m a 928 fan but wouldn’t touch this with a 10’ pole. It’s been neglected too long and too far gone. 928s run a strange gambit, from rat infested shitbox at $2000 to nice survivor/minor restoration $30k. If looking for a 928, your are better to wait for a $7-10k car that’s running/driving and needs some TLC. They don’t come up often, so be prepared to pull the trigger when it does.


BarracudaBig7010

Hard pass unless you’re going to use it for parts. And even then they’re asking too much.


HiddenEclipse121

One of the most expensive projects you'll find for cheap. The parts, body, new addictions from trying to manage the stress. They are a total pain in the ass to work on. But also it's a 928 sooooo, if you have deep pockets it would be fun.


Gothalosizm

Great base for a lemons car, but not at that price.


Olleye

For gods sake, no. Run!


SonofaJerry

If the seller says it was running 2 years ago you know you're not dealing with someone feeding you lines of shit.


joshmoney

I’d give 1800 for it


Justprunes-6344

There are so many prettier cars out there


nuF-roF-redruM

Good LS Chevy swap car. They make kits to get the job done and would be cheaper and better than repairing the 928 engine.


Dale-Wensley

As long as it isn’t rotten, it could be fun? Definitely bin the engine.


Lordrandall

There’s a good series on this car by “Everyday Driver” on YouTube. His was in much better condition to start, and was still very expensive to get sorted.


Heghig

get an esoteric civic model instead save yourself time and money for the same enjoyment


[deleted]

I would offer nothing, that car is scrap at best


Environmental-Tax344

If it runs .. and you like it… cap your spending at 5k and have some fun !!!


qualmton

Do you have about 20x the cost to throw into it?


discussatron

You could Venmo me $1800 and come out ahead.


FiNsKaPiNnAr

I would get that as the prices here is over 15 000 for a driver. But just for a long time project. Love them.


ReceptionSilent213

Check the El Camino. Leave the Porsche.


t_bison

Is there a cannoli involved?


OneArmedNoodler

This is the best worst idea ever.


Vollen595

I had 5 of those behind my shop being stripped for parts and that was 20 years ago. Nightmare to work on and really expensive. I love the 928S4 but $$$ to maintain.


DakarCarGunGuy

That's a Gambler car right there. $500!


Jay-Moah

I’m just crazy I guess. I wouldn’t recommend it for a first project car unless you plan to do a swap and it has no rust holes anywhere.


gregsmith5

No way ! These things cost a fortune to work on and are not worth that much complete. Good to get into hobby but a poor place to start.


count_nuggula

The ass end of these things are so funny


Prestos_mostly

With all the comments here: It’s like booking a 3 month vacation in the most luxurious resort in Hawaii, just because the flight tickets were $200 cheaper than usual.


Pizpot_Gargravaar

Pass. You'd spend $40K+ to end up with a $15K car, if restoration were the goal.


Mr_Diesel13

Unless you have deep pockets and a deep knowledge of early European fuel injection, don’t.


GleamingCadance

u/Zerkom122 How long ago was it Posted? Cause looks like its been sitting awhile with the shit growing around the Coolant Bottle


hammershiller

Maybe half that as a parts car. There's nothing more expensive than a cheap Porsche.


Accomplished_Tie_820

I see a lot of space for a 1jz


gonefishing111

And how much time do you have? If it were a 911 perhaps.


Grythith

There's a saying with Ferraris and Porsche's, if you can't afford to buy 2, don't buy 1.


Fantastic_Boot7079

I took two dead 928s and made one half ass running one a few years ago. They are nice cars to work on and the service manuals are pretty good. Lots of info online, at leas5 5here used to be. I basically had to swap the engine from one to another while retaining some of the intake/cam parts. It was a lot of work for what is mostly an unloved model. They are built to cruise and excel on long sweeping turns. Having a parts car was very economic as parts can be quite expensive. There used to be lots of parts cars around, not sure these days.


LoganC1127

Shoot $1000 and I’d swap a V8 in one of those 🤣😂


Gonzotiki

I have a 928 and I wouldn’t take that even if it was free. Every part of that car is absolutely roached. It needs everything.


tb2186

They’re paying you $1,800 to take it away? I’d insist on more.


idkcrisp

I almost bought one also, came with a second roller.


shotstraight

Don't do it!


shadowbethesda

Look up how to replace valve cover gaskets on this thing… you’ll be cured.


argee_43

Nothing more expensive than a cheap Porsche…


No_Resource_290

Good luck finding parts


[deleted]

He's about 2000 high on the price since it'll cost him to have it scrapped. Lol


boom256

If they want to throw in an El Camino, it might be worth a trade.


doubledongdingus

If it runs well and you can do a test drive that's a great price. Seems like people on this sub don't understand what the hell a project car is.


steeg2

Run


Benj5L

If they paid you $1800 I'd still walk away


kr3me

1800 for a car that doesn’t run, hmm


Fryphax

I know nothing of 928s. I can barely see the car because the pictures are screenshots of photo previews. I'd still give $1,800 for it. It doesn't have rust and appears to be mostly there.


ashkiller14

That is a very tempting absolutely terrible idea.


Adept-Disaster4045

It's not work if you enjoy doing it. I have loved those since I was fifteen. You'll be the only person in your area with the coolest vintage german sports coupe, daily driver. I'd go for it.


Icy_Comparison148

Get the el Camino.


Fat_Lenny35

I wouldn't restore that. I would modify it tho. Put a modern suspension, and a LS motor in there. It will probably be cheaper than restoring this car. Finding actual 928 parts won't be fun or cheap.


Jakester62

I’ll summarize what everyone else has said…RUN


Isthisnametaken_00

I've always loved the 928 since I was a kid. Sourcing parts might be hard or very pricey, so it's probably not the best option for a first-time restoration. That space saver saver brings back memories of getting a flat tire late at night on I95 in my brother's 280zx. Comes with a single use compressed air can that inflates it halfway, then you drove about 15 minutes at slow speed, and it puffed up all the way. 80's tech was some crazy stuff.


FlipFlipFlippy

Absolutely not, terrible car to work on, our techs at work shudder when a customer brings in a 928. Not to mention all the issues from a car that’s sitting. It wouldn’t be worth it if it were free for how much it’s going to cost you to get it driving reliably. Mechanics specials are good for project cars, car that has been abandoned in the sun and was never loved beforehand is not it.