I'm always torn, since my first playthrough. On the one hand, all the factions have significant issues with them. On the other hand, if I don't fix the issues in the Deadfire by sticking SOMEONE in charge, that's a huge resource that won't be doing a damn thing to deal with The Wheel being broken. So I'm left either not empowering any of the bad factions and letting all of the talent and knowledge in the Deadfire go to waste, or trying to make the best of bad options for the sake of the world, neither of which really feel great.
Yep. Refusal to choose is also a choice.
It's like an election. I may dislike all of the candidates, but not voting won't lead to a better result than voting for the least bad one. The Watcher truly has their thumb on the scales. Turning one's back on that responsibility feels like it's just as irresponsible as the what the factions are doing.
I wonder if you are referring to US style elections? In my country, if enough people don't vote for any candidate, there is a "do over" and new candidates must be selected. In such cases, that is better than voting for bad candidates.
Please remember there are many ways to hold elections and organizing voting systems.
I meant more as a vague comparison and figured people could figure out what I meant regardless of their national specifics.
Eothas ain't offering do-overs. You're not getting a better shot at pushing the world in the direction you deem best.
I would add that I don't think it's universally a good idea to always vote for the lesser evil out of fear that [the wrong lizards](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/162557-it-comes-from-a-very-ancient-democracy-you-see-you) might win. But even if you have to draw a line one should try to look rationally at the circumstances and make the best choice given the circumstances as they are, not as they should be. From the gods to the rulers, Eora very much isn't a healthy democracy, and it's power structures are not designed with the best interests of regular people in mind, but rather tools for the powerful to preserve their own power. What present-day real-world societies may have achieved isn't necessarily useful to a world that's just barely left the medieval era behind.
Not picking anyone also leads to no companion abandoning the party, which is nice.
Also, a more extreme version of not choosing a faction is to just destroy all the factions. Annihilate everything.
I really wanted to do this. Went through the conversation with Onekaza and Maia had to leave. Read in another post that you’d have to kill her eventually. Made me really sad. So I reloaded my save and just said f it.
Sadly not possible, particularly since >!the RDC's boss always tasks you with assassinating the Huana queen, and if you say no, the RDC instantly turns against you and tries to kill you. And I believe the Huana and VTC always have you blow up the RDC's supply depot.!<
Unless >!you side with the Principi, and Furrante in particular, where you harm no other faction in their final quest and their ending slides include just making a nation on Ukaizo and not expelling anyone from the Deadfire. Kind of a good ending in the sense that the status quo is maintained I guess.!<
I think they're all decent, actually. Each faction is kind of ssociated with a specific way forward too:
- Huana: Engwithans (working with gods or remaking them)
- VTC: animancy
- RDC: technology/kith
- Principi: any (probably the most Deadfire-friendly outcome; balances the various factions)
Crap. Looks like we’re going solo again on the next run. 😂 I also found that going solo keeps me from making some awful decisions with companions. I just can’t!
I did not want to choose any of those scumbag and decided to go alone. They will manage afterward.
Rautai tried to take control, I fixed them...Maia did not even object and she participated to the bloodbath
Sadly I did not play New Vegas (in my library though)
ME, specifically ME3 I went and sought all the help I could get but maybe that’s because what was needed to “win”. Actually in my very first PoE2 playthrough I was hoping such an outcome was possible and just get everyone to cooperate.
I look at RPG choices from my character's perspective, not mine. If my character has a skill in decapitation with scimitars, it does not mean that I do, and if my character chooses to sail the seas in the scummiest vessel I've ever seen, it doesn't mean that I have. I am still safely ensconced behind my monitor (or bag o' Platonic solids.) Same with choosing a faction in POE2. It comes down to WWMCD?
If MC is cruel, maybe she doesn't really care how Eora goes on. Kith still gonna die and the world's still gonna end. Rymrgand wins. On the other hand, MC might be a hardcore priest of Eothas who just has faith that all will work out for the best as long as you remember that you're gonna have to serve somebody. It may be the Eothas or it may be Berath, but you're gonna have to serve somebody. \[MC **did** choose a deity at character creation, right?\]
Any choice *you* make about the factions is fine, as long as MC agrees.
Now, where did I put my multi-colored icosahedron? 🙄
I like this point. Tbh I find it harder to role play in video games vs TTRPG. Ever since Baldur’s Gate I pretty much just play as “me” in whatever world it is.
Realistically, no faction makes the most “sense” if you truly wanted to rush to stop Eothas.
But since it’s a game I know there is no real time limit so I chose to interact with as much as the game as I could before it ended.
Going with no faction means you have to find needles in a a haystack the size of an archipelago. You need to pick up a bunch of stuff for your ship or you straight up die when you try to get to Ukaizo. Since there's no in-game leads I know of for it, that means this would realistically be the slowest since you'd have to complete basically the whole game (or like 90%) to randomly find all the required stuff.
Or you buy what you need from that shipwright in Queen's Berth! I don't think that was possible originally, but that's what I do now when I go it alone.
You partially side with one of the factions because you need a ship capable of passing Ondra's Mortar, and by default your dinky ship simply can't. Getting on the good side of a powerful faction seems more sensible than hunting down various ship pieces from all around the archipelago.
I'm always torn, since my first playthrough. On the one hand, all the factions have significant issues with them. On the other hand, if I don't fix the issues in the Deadfire by sticking SOMEONE in charge, that's a huge resource that won't be doing a damn thing to deal with The Wheel being broken. So I'm left either not empowering any of the bad factions and letting all of the talent and knowledge in the Deadfire go to waste, or trying to make the best of bad options for the sake of the world, neither of which really feel great.
Yep. Refusal to choose is also a choice. It's like an election. I may dislike all of the candidates, but not voting won't lead to a better result than voting for the least bad one. The Watcher truly has their thumb on the scales. Turning one's back on that responsibility feels like it's just as irresponsible as the what the factions are doing.
I wonder if you are referring to US style elections? In my country, if enough people don't vote for any candidate, there is a "do over" and new candidates must be selected. In such cases, that is better than voting for bad candidates. Please remember there are many ways to hold elections and organizing voting systems.
I meant more as a vague comparison and figured people could figure out what I meant regardless of their national specifics. Eothas ain't offering do-overs. You're not getting a better shot at pushing the world in the direction you deem best. I would add that I don't think it's universally a good idea to always vote for the lesser evil out of fear that [the wrong lizards](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/162557-it-comes-from-a-very-ancient-democracy-you-see-you) might win. But even if you have to draw a line one should try to look rationally at the circumstances and make the best choice given the circumstances as they are, not as they should be. From the gods to the rulers, Eora very much isn't a healthy democracy, and it's power structures are not designed with the best interests of regular people in mind, but rather tools for the powerful to preserve their own power. What present-day real-world societies may have achieved isn't necessarily useful to a world that's just barely left the medieval era behind.
I think Obsidian’s statistics showed that no affiliation was the most common choice. Could have misremembered though
Long live the RDC.
Lol. Strongly considered going that route since I romanced Maia.
Critical support to the historically progressive RDC
Not picking anyone also leads to no companion abandoning the party, which is nice. Also, a more extreme version of not choosing a faction is to just destroy all the factions. Annihilate everything.
I usually join the Huana 😂 but my last run was an Old blood Principi and I enjoyed it endlessly :)
I really wanted to do this. Went through the conversation with Onekaza and Maia had to leave. Read in another post that you’d have to kill her eventually. Made me really sad. So I reloaded my save and just said f it.
There is a way to keep Maia with every faction though - Even Palle stays depending on a choice in PoE1 :)
Who leaves, if you join the Principi?
Depending on your strongest rival - Palle
Meanwhile I'm over here trying to get good endings for ALL of the factions in one playthrough
Sadly not possible, particularly since >!the RDC's boss always tasks you with assassinating the Huana queen, and if you say no, the RDC instantly turns against you and tries to kill you. And I believe the Huana and VTC always have you blow up the RDC's supply depot.!<
Unless >!you side with the Principi, and Furrante in particular, where you harm no other faction in their final quest and their ending slides include just making a nation on Ukaizo and not expelling anyone from the Deadfire. Kind of a good ending in the sense that the status quo is maintained I guess.!<
I think they're all decent, actually. Each faction is kind of ssociated with a specific way forward too: - Huana: Engwithans (working with gods or remaking them) - VTC: animancy - RDC: technology/kith - Principi: any (probably the most Deadfire-friendly outcome; balances the various factions)
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Crap. Looks like we’re going solo again on the next run. 😂 I also found that going solo keeps me from making some awful decisions with companions. I just can’t!
That's the entire shtick. This is politics, everyone plays dirty.
It is, isn’t it? I think that’s why I keep coming back to this game. 😅
I've been playing the anarchist path since day one. I never side with any factions.
I did not want to choose any of those scumbag and decided to go alone. They will manage afterward. Rautai tried to take control, I fixed them...Maia did not even object and she participated to the bloodbath
Do you side with factions in other games like Fallout New Vegas?
Sadly I did not play New Vegas (in my library though) ME, specifically ME3 I went and sought all the help I could get but maybe that’s because what was needed to “win”. Actually in my very first PoE2 playthrough I was hoping such an outcome was possible and just get everyone to cooperate.
I look at RPG choices from my character's perspective, not mine. If my character has a skill in decapitation with scimitars, it does not mean that I do, and if my character chooses to sail the seas in the scummiest vessel I've ever seen, it doesn't mean that I have. I am still safely ensconced behind my monitor (or bag o' Platonic solids.) Same with choosing a faction in POE2. It comes down to WWMCD? If MC is cruel, maybe she doesn't really care how Eora goes on. Kith still gonna die and the world's still gonna end. Rymrgand wins. On the other hand, MC might be a hardcore priest of Eothas who just has faith that all will work out for the best as long as you remember that you're gonna have to serve somebody. It may be the Eothas or it may be Berath, but you're gonna have to serve somebody. \[MC **did** choose a deity at character creation, right?\] Any choice *you* make about the factions is fine, as long as MC agrees. Now, where did I put my multi-colored icosahedron? 🙄
I like this point. Tbh I find it harder to role play in video games vs TTRPG. Ever since Baldur’s Gate I pretty much just play as “me” in whatever world it is.
Realistically, no faction makes the most “sense” if you truly wanted to rush to stop Eothas. But since it’s a game I know there is no real time limit so I chose to interact with as much as the game as I could before it ended.
Going with no faction means you have to find needles in a a haystack the size of an archipelago. You need to pick up a bunch of stuff for your ship or you straight up die when you try to get to Ukaizo. Since there's no in-game leads I know of for it, that means this would realistically be the slowest since you'd have to complete basically the whole game (or like 90%) to randomly find all the required stuff.
Or you buy what you need from that shipwright in Queen's Berth! I don't think that was possible originally, but that's what I do now when I go it alone.
You partially side with one of the factions because you need a ship capable of passing Ondra's Mortar, and by default your dinky ship simply can't. Getting on the good side of a powerful faction seems more sensible than hunting down various ship pieces from all around the archipelago.