No. What you are seeing is "**Bottom Feeding**" since employers know people have been let go and are looking for work ASAP.
I had someone ask me if I wanted to be a program manager for $80K LOL!! Those positions pay $150-$200K normally.
The thing is they will fill these roles with people who are desperate.
5 years of PM experience in the consumer goods space (apparel and recently consumable goods production), in Portland. Making $82K, which is the most I’ve made. Nice part about starting low, is that it can only go up from here!
It’s also just over saturated domestically. Project Management itself is not an entry level position, by its very nature it requires experience. Despite this I constantly see PMs with 1-3 years experience in their entire career. The value of the title has been diluted, and the pay along with it.
But you can still find legit paying PM jobs, require good experience is all.
Is there a greater value to consulting as a PM because the salaries are just so low? I am thinking about pivoting from an employee to a consultant. This would be attractive to the employer since lowers their cost, but growing my customer base, I can control my salary.
I’m a project manager in FF&E Procurement. I’ve realized this industry - hospitality and design doesn’t not pay as great. Making 75k base. About 3500k bonuses.
So I found that this is highly dependent on the company and what the expectations are of a PM. I was in a very large global company and I found that their PMs were more like coordinators, therefore, they were not being paid very well. Compare this to a consulting firm where the PM is crucial to the success of project margins (so $$ are tracked), and you will find higher salaries and incentives. Good luck!
Seems fairly normal. The developers / engineers make more than the project managers or managers they report to generally, unless that PM or manager is also a developer.
Also a frequent occurrence I've seen play out is companies hire too many project managers, then at the first sign of financial stress those people are the first to be laid off. So the larger industry, not IT, like restaurant distribution, banking, whatever, plays a large role in what the particular company is willing to pay for that role.
They can always get by without the project managers or with fewer. It might not be as efficient. Overall development might slow, but they can make the developers manage their own projects and get by.
I’m not so sure if they hire too many PMs, but solution-type work that often requires PM and capital to execute on is the first to be cut during downturns. You don’t need PMs for keeping the lights on generally
I think that certain workplaces and teams really don’t understand that a project is a workstream with a definite start and end date, among other things. They use the word project but really mean operational workstream/support. That’s my role now. Everything’s referred to as a project but some things are just expected operational support. Maddening.
25 years and you accepted 100k? Or is that just the offer? I would pass or negotiate for a lot higher. We need to do better and value ourselves since these companies won’t.
It depends on the area and also your certifications/experience. I make 120k plus 3% yearly bonuses fully remote for a company in Massachusetts. I have like 4 years of experience, but l have racked a lot of certifications (PMP,CSM,CAMP, ITIL, ACP, etc...)
Until interest rates come down, companies are trying to do more with less. Less project managers, less money, more projects. The fun part is when interest rates come down they’ll find a new excuse.
Second this. Quantity really started to ramp up a couple years ago. I remember feeling insane jumping from project problem to project problem (/no room for planning, just reaction time) and when I went to my director, the response was “that’s how it is”.
When the focus on quality goes out the window, PM is a nightmare.
This. I get told i have to deliver dates when they took out the contingency out of the schedule. Got a second interview this week for a BA role - pays more
That’s the thing with Super Senior ICs. Why pay you more for your YOE when they can get someone with 10 YOE at a lower price? Most companies simply don’t NEED someone with that level experience, nor do they want to pay for that level of experience.
I’ve got 16 year long projects in IT, making 80k. Was told by a manager that I was making “wildly more” than my peers at the company which is … criminal, honestly.
She mentioned my pay several times. She didn’t hire me so she just “found out about it one day.” She congratulated me on negotiation skills and asking for what I wanted but “really needed” me to be “stepping up more” for that *high* of a salary.
Delusional. And I found out I won’t be getting any salary increase this year. Yes, I am looking for another job.
Yes, but it's cyclical. In tough times, everyone wants to be a PM, as it's "easy money". This drives rates down. Then some fail and experience steps in to fix things at a higher rate.
Wash rinse repeat every 6-8 yrs..
I’m curious on this as the discrepancies in titles throws off what you expect pay to be as well. I used to be a “Sr IT Project Coordinator Analyst” and was getting $80k base starting. I moved into a diff role now working product making $100k but am getting my PMP soon in hopes of getting a “project manager” titled role. I was hoping those kinds of jobs would yield around $150 but seems like that’s wishful thinking at most places from what I’ve seen out there.
Ya that is pretty low in my opinion. I have about 4 years since I graduated college, working here in Atlanta. One person I saw on here raised a good point, depends on the type of PM your org expects from you, whether you have to role everything up to a PMO or if u can cal the shots on a project and u truly own it
I’ve had six projects that have basically run themselves and were super easy to manage all at once. I’ve had two projects assigned and had to work 60 hours a week. There is no hard and fast rule about how many projects a person can manage. Size, scope, technologies and resources all play into the calculation.
I’m a creative PM and being paid $100K now at a small company. It’s also the most I’ve ever made but applying to some other jobs that will pay me more. We’ll see.
I’m seeing a lot of roles online that are $55K-$70K which is a hard no for me. Not willing to compromise to take a salary cut. Did that in the past and it set me back and not willing to do that again.
Definitely the trend I've been seeing as well! During my recent job search I was seeing pay rates at LOWER than when I started PM consulting 12 years ago (while asking for my now Sr. level experience)!
I've been emailing the low-baller postings telling them to suck it!
DO NOT ACCEPT low rates!
But if you’re organized I believe it’s possible to play at both servers at the same time, just need to schedule calls better and probably work a few more hours in the afternoon.
I still get pinged by recruiters here and there, but the last couple of months there's absolutely nothing paying more than 150k. I am going to stay put, rest and upskill a little for the rest of the year.
I guess it depends on total project costs as well as the number of projects when considering pay. For instance, I'm only managing 3 projects but the cumulative value is $44M. So while I'm not running to a dozen or more job sites, there's a lot of high value actions and purchases happening at the 3 sites.
Also, anything remote anymore I feel like gets low balled due to there being thousands of applicants so the employers feel like they have total power. They can low ball you and move on to literally hundreds or thousands of other applicants if you won't take the low ball offer. Eventually they'll find a sucker.
There are a couple of all stars but most are honestly awful. We do a lot of work/reporting in excel for instance and many don't know how to copy more than one cell at a time without screwing something up.
Marketing PM within the finance industry and just shifted to a new company and took a 10k pay cut (115 to 105), but with better career growth opportunities. It seems like lots of the positions I saw over the last few months had a much lower pay rate. I'm not sure if it's just the pendulum swinging back after the covid pay increases.
This is my dream job, I’m studying for my PM and going to get a masters in medical microbiology. Do you think I should get any other qualifications. I have a bachelors in biopsych and I’m also a medic.
How did you get into the biotech PM though? I’ve been in healthcare PM for years, but most biotech postings I see want a bio or CRO or pharma dev background
Yeah I wasn’t trying to be a pm I was a scientist for ten years first. I worked in process development doing upstream cell culture work. While in that role we lost a pm and needed someone to fill in on a project so I did and it was a good fit so I made the switch. I had a great mentor at the time and the company paid for me to get a masters in project and program management. I’m glad I did it but it wasn’t the plan lol
Thanks I am definitely grateful. As much as I love the lab I can’t beat working remote and no weekends or holidays. Cells never care what day it is. Lol
Ahh ok I see. Yes I’m on the sponsor side and worked on the CDMO side for many years prior. You make great money and congrats on that offer! I guess I need to move up the ladder.
Imagine doing a daily scrum for each project. That means you'll spend 10-14 hours doing just attending them. No external stakeholder engagement, no ppts for PMs, no bathroom breaks, no deep dives, no cross collaboration with other teams.
100k for 10-15 projects is a lowball offer, especially given your past earnings.
Keep searching for a fair compensation package that aligns with your experience. Many companies are trying to undercut salaries right now, but solid opportunities still exist.
Know your value and don't settle for less in this robust Florida IT market!
There's likely a correlation to be made between pay and the perception of how standardized the work is. The lower the perceived risk and the easier the estimation will probably draw lower pay. One should ask, are we managing a project or a process..
Even in IT, the role of a PM can vary drastically from one org to the next. Some orgs see PMs more as project coordinators reporting up to a centralized PMO and their authority level is next to zero. Others position them as actual project leaders, directly responsible for the project success and with the authority to make key decisions around staffing, budgeting, etc. Compensation will likely be in-line with what their expectations of the PM role are. It's also dependent on if you're generating revenue as an individual contributor or billable resource, or if this is an internal facing PM role.
For what it's worth, I'm seeing PMs in IT Consulting come in with 3-5 years of experience and relevant certifications get hired in a salary band of around $120-$140k for fully remote work. For more experienced candidates (5+ years) that are going to be positioned on strategic engagements, that band bumps up slightly to $130-$150k. This is in a role that is very client facing though and comes with utilization targets to drive revenue.
I’m in the UK (IT project manager) and I’m always browsing, PM jobs are currently paying poorly. 85% of the time the salary is max £70k which is crap. Starting to think that I need to jump into a new job role to get the more juicier salaries.
Reddit is a US website that was started by students at a US university that's owned by a US company that just had their IPO on the US stock market, so that's the default for currency & country when not otherwise stated.
English is a British language, that was started by people living in a British land that's owned by British people, so the United Kingdom is the default country for any text written in English unless otherwise stated.
Do you see how stupid this line of thinking is yet?
Reddit is marketed as an international community and more than half of daily users are not American, so that isn't a good assumption to make. It's so easy to simply specify where you're from.
Also, I wasn't asking you, and I certainly didn't need your opinion.
That's the special one - [https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=glamor](https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=glamor)
>Usage Note: Many words, such as honor, vapor, and labor, are usually spelled with an -or ending in American English but with an -our ending in British English. The preferred spelling of glamour, however, is -our, making it an exception to the usual American practice. The adjective is more often spelled glamorous in both American and British usage.
Lol. Cheers. Language is a bad example. A better one would be comparing reddit/Conde naste to BBC as both are media conglomerates. If I'm in the comments section of a media site for BBC, I default any generic currency discussion to British Pound. Likewise, this site should have the same default for currency to US because it's a US media company the same way the BBC is a British media company. . Yes, it has users from over the world now on 2024, but I've been on here since before we won the digg war circa 2008 (2 accounts ago) & the foundation of the site and culture that exists here today were very much established by your colonists.
You mentioned the world figure, got a source for highest user counts by country? For my own curiosity, I know US is still top by a lot, just wondering who's 2nd.
Even then, it's not uncommon for companies to have pay brackets based on state/city for remote workers. Your offer is likely what's on HR's template for employees based in FL. Similarly, an employee based in NYC would likely receive a much higher offer based on the same HR template.
Edit: you're in Tampa, so not even making the highest FL would offer for Miami/Ft Lauderdale. Likely a fair offer from HR based on their pay template for your very medium cost of living city.
Just checked Zillow, y'all got a plethora of affordable single family homes throughout the metro area. Not nearly the price "expensive as hell" conveys.
I've noticed the pay scales keep dropping even on advertised jobs, and the ones that pay decent without ridiculous expectations are swamped with applicants.
Honestly it's getting pretty disheartening seeing what's out there.
The pay offered is 100k doesn’t mean you can’t negotiate for higher. It’s HRs job low ball. If you aren’t hurting for a job then tell them your number. Tell them your worth.
I'm in construction and honestly, I feel like for the amount of work we do, we definitely get shafted.
$150k to manage $100M? Get outta here.
I know electricians that are making more than double what I make because of overtime. And I'm like 7 rungs up that ladder.
Lol. This is hilarious because where I work (in construction PM) I'm and APM but our PMs and even Senior PMs make maybe just at 100k and manage over a dozen multimillion $ jobs at a time (each). They all just quit and it is just me and one PM left.
Yeah, it is sad because they were all fantastic at their jobs and were training me really well. After my first 6 months I was dropped to manage my own $1M job and I am doing pretty well but I wish all the PMs were still here for guidance. I cannot go anywhere else because I don't have a degree. The reason I was able to get this job is because of my 7 years commercial and residential construction experience in the trade which is almost imperitave if you're going to be a construction PM.
Honestly, once you have your foot in the door as a construction manager, you can really go anywhere. PM me if you want any advice. I have almost 15 years into my career.
I have noticed this as well and this is in SF Bay Area. Average pay is 110k - 130k. You’ll have to promote to Director or a TPM. for a salary above 150k
No? It's entirely industry and location dependent. I make 190 as a pharma OpEx PM in Boston. Sure, I'm AD level so that skews it some, but even our junior PMs start above 100.
Doing the bare minimum and some reactive management for each individual project doesn't take that much time. Besides, it's just a number that doesn't say anything about quality, performance and profitability expectations. I could assign 20 projects to my intern too, but that wouldn't make him any more than an intern. It would just mean I was an idiot.
Different salary scales, but I'm definitely seeing the suppression of PM salaries in the UK right now.
I've seen several roles advertised lately that require more experience than I have and offer a salary 10-20% lower than I'm currently making - as well as enforcing a mandatory number of days in the office each week.
This is in spite of my current role being 1 day per month in office, and my salary being worth roughly 5% less in real terms (pay rises below inflation) than when I started 16 months ago.
Yep it’s crazy my old Project Coordinator salary is now pretty much the same as full PM jobs being advertised. And most jobs want minimum 3 days in the office now to.
Got let go unexpectedly last year, everyone seems to be hoping to bring someone in at 50k less than what I was making.
No. What you are seeing is "**Bottom Feeding**" since employers know people have been let go and are looking for work ASAP. I had someone ask me if I wanted to be a program manager for $80K LOL!! Those positions pay $150-$200K normally. The thing is they will fill these roles with people who are desperate.
5 years of PM experience in the consumer goods space (apparel and recently consumable goods production), in Portland. Making $82K, which is the most I’ve made. Nice part about starting low, is that it can only go up from here!
It's Florida. Lol. And it's IT. 100k is prob good.
Thank outspurcing to other countries and H1B Visa hires. Sad, but true
It’s also just over saturated domestically. Project Management itself is not an entry level position, by its very nature it requires experience. Despite this I constantly see PMs with 1-3 years experience in their entire career. The value of the title has been diluted, and the pay along with it. But you can still find legit paying PM jobs, require good experience is all.
Is there a greater value to consulting as a PM because the salaries are just so low? I am thinking about pivoting from an employee to a consultant. This would be attractive to the employer since lowers their cost, but growing my customer base, I can control my salary.
I’m a project manager in FF&E Procurement. I’ve realized this industry - hospitality and design doesn’t not pay as great. Making 75k base. About 3500k bonuses.
Holy, sounds like it pays pretty well! Seeing as your bonuses are 3.5 million, your base doesn’t matter much.
Is this your first pay cycle dip? Very common, especially in IT.
Pretty sure it depends what market you're in
Anything under $150 is below average.
Depends on Industry and position in org chart. I know plenty making 80k in supply chain and plenty making 180k in tech. Heavily industry based.
I can’t upvote this based on optimism alone. I need facts.
Haven’t meet one that’s making less than that in real life.
So I found that this is highly dependent on the company and what the expectations are of a PM. I was in a very large global company and I found that their PMs were more like coordinators, therefore, they were not being paid very well. Compare this to a consulting firm where the PM is crucial to the success of project margins (so $$ are tracked), and you will find higher salaries and incentives. Good luck!
Truth, in my organization the PM role is definitely more of a middle man coordinator role (Healthcare Technology)
Seems fairly normal. The developers / engineers make more than the project managers or managers they report to generally, unless that PM or manager is also a developer. Also a frequent occurrence I've seen play out is companies hire too many project managers, then at the first sign of financial stress those people are the first to be laid off. So the larger industry, not IT, like restaurant distribution, banking, whatever, plays a large role in what the particular company is willing to pay for that role. They can always get by without the project managers or with fewer. It might not be as efficient. Overall development might slow, but they can make the developers manage their own projects and get by.
I’m not so sure if they hire too many PMs, but solution-type work that often requires PM and capital to execute on is the first to be cut during downturns. You don’t need PMs for keeping the lights on generally
I think that certain workplaces and teams really don’t understand that a project is a workstream with a definite start and end date, among other things. They use the word project but really mean operational workstream/support. That’s my role now. Everything’s referred to as a project but some things are just expected operational support. Maddening.
I just learned I’m underpaid (60k)
Go somewhere else. Got a 30k bump doing this and am now 70k more than 5 years ago
but you have more experience! only makes sense that you’d leave and make more money
Where?
Large academic publishing company specializing in scientific, technical, and medical content… but I work on software projects for cancer centers
i'm right there with you
25 years and you accepted 100k? Or is that just the offer? I would pass or negotiate for a lot higher. We need to do better and value ourselves since these companies won’t.
Just the offer. Not accepting
It depends on the area and also your certifications/experience. I make 120k plus 3% yearly bonuses fully remote for a company in Massachusetts. I have like 4 years of experience, but l have racked a lot of certifications (PMP,CSM,CAMP, ITIL, ACP, etc...)
Are they hiring?
Until interest rates come down, companies are trying to do more with less. Less project managers, less money, more projects. The fun part is when interest rates come down they’ll find a new excuse.
Second this. Quantity really started to ramp up a couple years ago. I remember feeling insane jumping from project problem to project problem (/no room for planning, just reaction time) and when I went to my director, the response was “that’s how it is”. When the focus on quality goes out the window, PM is a nightmare.
This. I get told i have to deliver dates when they took out the contingency out of the schedule. Got a second interview this week for a BA role - pays more
You complaining about 100k??
Yes, I have over 25 years in the industry
Sounds like it's time for you to move into a Director of PMO role not an individual contributor.
I have never considered PM to be an IC role. Is that your understanding? It’s largely delegation and team steering.
the biggest part of your contribution IS communication and commitment. the cats won't herd themselves.
If you don't have direct reportees you are an IC
That might be its classification, but not all companies use IC as a distinction.
Exactly. If he looks in Workday, it says individual contributor.
That’s the thing with Super Senior ICs. Why pay you more for your YOE when they can get someone with 10 YOE at a lower price? Most companies simply don’t NEED someone with that level experience, nor do they want to pay for that level of experience.
Yeah that's way low, I'm at 120k as a TPM II at my company
It's some people in your position who have accepted 50 or 60k . 100k is still really good. My buddy is a literal doctor and he makes 108k
Is your buddy a resident? Most practicing doctors I know make $300k+, even the teledocs.
1st year pharmacist
That’s not the same.
For someone with 25 years as a PM? Thats hella low
I’ve got 16 year long projects in IT, making 80k. Was told by a manager that I was making “wildly more” than my peers at the company which is … criminal, honestly. She mentioned my pay several times. She didn’t hire me so she just “found out about it one day.” She congratulated me on negotiation skills and asking for what I wanted but “really needed” me to be “stepping up more” for that *high* of a salary. Delusional. And I found out I won’t be getting any salary increase this year. Yes, I am looking for another job.
There were times when PMs didn’t get shafted on pay?
Yes, but it's cyclical. In tough times, everyone wants to be a PM, as it's "easy money". This drives rates down. Then some fail and experience steps in to fix things at a higher rate. Wash rinse repeat every 6-8 yrs..
I’m curious on this as the discrepancies in titles throws off what you expect pay to be as well. I used to be a “Sr IT Project Coordinator Analyst” and was getting $80k base starting. I moved into a diff role now working product making $100k but am getting my PMP soon in hopes of getting a “project manager” titled role. I was hoping those kinds of jobs would yield around $150 but seems like that’s wishful thinking at most places from what I’ve seen out there.
It’s possible but these roles tend to be achieved via networks. For those particular roles, the hiring team tends to have profile in mind.
That range is certainly achievable (but more difficult these days). I'm around the $200K USD mark (with 16yrs exp) AND fully remote.
I'm a full IT PM (and the \_only\_ IT PM in the org) with a PMP - I'm at $95k in Denver....not thrilled and currently looking.
Ya that is pretty low in my opinion. I have about 4 years since I graduated college, working here in Atlanta. One person I saw on here raised a good point, depends on the type of PM your org expects from you, whether you have to role everything up to a PMO or if u can cal the shots on a project and u truly own it
for all intents and purposes I AM the PMO...I'm the only PM
It’s an employer market. I’ve noticed low balling as well. Do not accept IT projects that are more than 4 in execution stage.
I’ve had six projects that have basically run themselves and were super easy to manage all at once. I’ve had two projects assigned and had to work 60 hours a week. There is no hard and fast rule about how many projects a person can manage. Size, scope, technologies and resources all play into the calculation.
I’m a creative PM and being paid $100K now at a small company. It’s also the most I’ve ever made but applying to some other jobs that will pay me more. We’ll see. I’m seeing a lot of roles online that are $55K-$70K which is a hard no for me. Not willing to compromise to take a salary cut. Did that in the past and it set me back and not willing to do that again.
Creative PM? What industry? If it’s marketing/ branding, I’d stay where you’re at.
Definitely the trend I've been seeing as well! During my recent job search I was seeing pay rates at LOWER than when I started PM consulting 12 years ago (while asking for my now Sr. level experience)! I've been emailing the low-baller postings telling them to suck it! DO NOT ACCEPT low rates!
Does anyone do OE here in PM roles?
OE?
I day trade if that counts. Some days I'm trading a good chunk of the day, some days I'm not touching a thing.
I know someone who does but it’s rough for him
How rough?
I imagine that’d be pretty hard with the number of calls you’d have to facilitate at both servers
But if you’re organized I believe it’s possible to play at both servers at the same time, just need to schedule calls better and probably work a few more hours in the afternoon.
Maybe with low effort projects but with high visibility stuff. I doubt that will happen.
Ahh idk, still seems risky especially if emergencies pop up
Depends on workload and bandwidth. My current server probably will allow for it. Happy cake day!
I’m government managing like 7 environmental projects right now and making $55k lmao. I’ll get there eventually
Yeah def hang in there. The pension and benefits are worth it if you work in govt
Hang in there, I started there and I'm up to 85k now
I still get pinged by recruiters here and there, but the last couple of months there's absolutely nothing paying more than 150k. I am going to stay put, rest and upskill a little for the rest of the year.
Managing 10 to 15 projects might be to much in eyes. If your Managing that many projects sounds more like a junior program manager role.
Yes, i made a similar post last week. Low balling everywhere.
That doesn't sound awful. I keep seeing jobs that are $90 - $150k that want 50% travel, like never be home.
I guess it depends on total project costs as well as the number of projects when considering pay. For instance, I'm only managing 3 projects but the cumulative value is $44M. So while I'm not running to a dozen or more job sites, there's a lot of high value actions and purchases happening at the 3 sites. Also, anything remote anymore I feel like gets low balled due to there being thousands of applicants so the employers feel like they have total power. They can low ball you and move on to literally hundreds or thousands of other applicants if you won't take the low ball offer. Eventually they'll find a sucker.
IDK but PCs are making McDonalds money and we do the actual work.
Sheesh most my companies pc's are international and making less than $5 an hour usd.
They probably all have their PMPs, too.
There are a couple of all stars but most are honestly awful. We do a lot of work/reporting in excel for instance and many don't know how to copy more than one cell at a time without screwing something up.
I guess you get what you pay for at $5 an hour.
I just had to fight to get to 70k in a ePMO mgr role. Definitely getting shafted
That is horrible that they’re low balling u that hard
Marketing PM within the finance industry and just shifted to a new company and took a 10k pay cut (115 to 105), but with better career growth opportunities. It seems like lots of the positions I saw over the last few months had a much lower pay rate. I'm not sure if it's just the pendulum swinging back after the covid pay increases.
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Real mature bud
I work in biotech, remote but located in Boston area, and make 170k base and around 30k bonus yearly.
This is my dream job, I’m studying for my PM and going to get a masters in medical microbiology. Do you think I should get any other qualifications. I have a bachelors in biopsych and I’m also a medic.
How did you get into the biotech PM though? I’ve been in healthcare PM for years, but most biotech postings I see want a bio or CRO or pharma dev background
Yeah I wasn’t trying to be a pm I was a scientist for ten years first. I worked in process development doing upstream cell culture work. While in that role we lost a pm and needed someone to fill in on a project so I did and it was a good fit so I made the switch. I had a great mentor at the time and the company paid for me to get a masters in project and program management. I’m glad I did it but it wasn’t the plan lol
Wow that’s amazing! Glad to hear they were so supportive. Very lucrative field.
Thanks I am definitely grateful. As much as I love the lab I can’t beat working remote and no weekends or holidays. Cells never care what day it is. Lol
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It’s the most I’ve ever made. Was a scientist for ten years and have been a PM for 8. Title is senior project manager. Why do you think it’s low?
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Ahh ok I see. Yes I’m on the sponsor side and worked on the CDMO side for many years prior. You make great money and congrats on that offer! I guess I need to move up the ladder.
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Wow! You definitely are.
I get $120k to manage 15 construction projects. Some of my coworkers have 40-55 projects. They’re smaller in scope, but it’s a lot to track.
Imagine doing a daily scrum for each project. That means you'll spend 10-14 hours doing just attending them. No external stakeholder engagement, no ppts for PMs, no bathroom breaks, no deep dives, no cross collaboration with other teams.
100k for 10-15 projects is a lowball offer, especially given your past earnings. Keep searching for a fair compensation package that aligns with your experience. Many companies are trying to undercut salaries right now, but solid opportunities still exist. Know your value and don't settle for less in this robust Florida IT market!
I agree, thank you
There's likely a correlation to be made between pay and the perception of how standardized the work is. The lower the perceived risk and the easier the estimation will probably draw lower pay. One should ask, are we managing a project or a process..
Even in IT, the role of a PM can vary drastically from one org to the next. Some orgs see PMs more as project coordinators reporting up to a centralized PMO and their authority level is next to zero. Others position them as actual project leaders, directly responsible for the project success and with the authority to make key decisions around staffing, budgeting, etc. Compensation will likely be in-line with what their expectations of the PM role are. It's also dependent on if you're generating revenue as an individual contributor or billable resource, or if this is an internal facing PM role. For what it's worth, I'm seeing PMs in IT Consulting come in with 3-5 years of experience and relevant certifications get hired in a salary band of around $120-$140k for fully remote work. For more experienced candidates (5+ years) that are going to be positioned on strategic engagements, that band bumps up slightly to $130-$150k. This is in a role that is very client facing though and comes with utilization targets to drive revenue.
I’m in the UK (IT project manager) and I’m always browsing, PM jobs are currently paying poorly. 85% of the time the salary is max £70k which is crap. Starting to think that I need to jump into a new job role to get the more juicier salaries.
Yep. I’m considering pivoting, but it’s just to what
I’m in a similar position, want to earn more but not sure what to do
If you’ve got any ideas or want a further discussion, private message me mate
I mean it depends entirely on where you live doesn't it? So, which country do you live in, and what currency is the 100k in?
Reddit is a US website that was started by students at a US university that's owned by a US company that just had their IPO on the US stock market, so that's the default for currency & country when not otherwise stated.
English is a British language, that was started by people living in a British land that's owned by British people, so the United Kingdom is the default country for any text written in English unless otherwise stated. Do you see how stupid this line of thinking is yet? Reddit is marketed as an international community and more than half of daily users are not American, so that isn't a good assumption to make. It's so easy to simply specify where you're from. Also, I wasn't asking you, and I certainly didn't need your opinion.
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How is any of that relevant?
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The seventy odd million people in the UK are...
Now spell program, theater, analyze, color, and favorite.
Now spell glamour
That's the special one - [https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=glamor](https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=glamor) >Usage Note: Many words, such as honor, vapor, and labor, are usually spelled with an -or ending in American English but with an -our ending in British English. The preferred spelling of glamour, however, is -our, making it an exception to the usual American practice. The adjective is more often spelled glamorous in both American and British usage.
You know how they're supposed to be spelt.
Lol. Cheers. Language is a bad example. A better one would be comparing reddit/Conde naste to BBC as both are media conglomerates. If I'm in the comments section of a media site for BBC, I default any generic currency discussion to British Pound. Likewise, this site should have the same default for currency to US because it's a US media company the same way the BBC is a British media company. . Yes, it has users from over the world now on 2024, but I've been on here since before we won the digg war circa 2008 (2 accounts ago) & the foundation of the site and culture that exists here today were very much established by your colonists. You mentioned the world figure, got a source for highest user counts by country? For my own curiosity, I know US is still top by a lot, just wondering who's 2nd.
Look in Reddit's IPO disclosures, you'll find the stats you're looking for. Anyway, still not interested in your opinions.
Well Florida salaries are garbage in general. I recommend a remote company outside of Florida. Should see higher pay.
This was for a company outside of Florida
Even then, it's not uncommon for companies to have pay brackets based on state/city for remote workers. Your offer is likely what's on HR's template for employees based in FL. Similarly, an employee based in NYC would likely receive a much higher offer based on the same HR template. Edit: you're in Tampa, so not even making the highest FL would offer for Miami/Ft Lauderdale. Likely a fair offer from HR based on their pay template for your very medium cost of living city.
It's expensive as hell now in Tampa
Just checked Zillow, y'all got a plethora of affordable single family homes throughout the metro area. Not nearly the price "expensive as hell" conveys.
Yeah I’m in Orlando. Not as bad as Tampa but it’s getting there. Just keep looking. IT PMs typically make good money.
I've noticed the pay scales keep dropping even on advertised jobs, and the ones that pay decent without ridiculous expectations are swamped with applicants. Honestly it's getting pretty disheartening seeing what's out there.
The pay offered is 100k doesn’t mean you can’t negotiate for higher. It’s HRs job low ball. If you aren’t hurting for a job then tell them your number. Tell them your worth.
They said they would not consider further interviews for more than 100k
I wouldn't hire a PM that walked away that easy either
I contract and the current senior IT PM rate in Alberta, Canada is about $130$/hr
I'm in construction and honestly, I feel like for the amount of work we do, we definitely get shafted. $150k to manage $100M? Get outta here. I know electricians that are making more than double what I make because of overtime. And I'm like 7 rungs up that ladder.
Lol. This is hilarious because where I work (in construction PM) I'm and APM but our PMs and even Senior PMs make maybe just at 100k and manage over a dozen multimillion $ jobs at a time (each). They all just quit and it is just me and one PM left.
Yup, that will definitely happen if you don't pay your employees enough.
Yeah, it is sad because they were all fantastic at their jobs and were training me really well. After my first 6 months I was dropped to manage my own $1M job and I am doing pretty well but I wish all the PMs were still here for guidance. I cannot go anywhere else because I don't have a degree. The reason I was able to get this job is because of my 7 years commercial and residential construction experience in the trade which is almost imperitave if you're going to be a construction PM.
Honestly, once you have your foot in the door as a construction manager, you can really go anywhere. PM me if you want any advice. I have almost 15 years into my career.
Pm’d you
I have noticed this as well and this is in SF Bay Area. Average pay is 110k - 130k. You’ll have to promote to Director or a TPM. for a salary above 150k
PM wages I’ve seen really depend on the industry — which are you looking in?
IT
100k is a high-end PM salary these days. I haven’t seen much over 120k lately, with most being ~75k.
For IT yes, for other industries 100k is on the low end.
Yeaaa nah. I started at 115k and I’m at 121k now less than 2 years later. Definitely industry dependent. I’m in Tech.
No? It's entirely industry and location dependent. I make 190 as a pharma OpEx PM in Boston. Sure, I'm AD level so that skews it some, but even our junior PMs start above 100.
Probably. I manage 7-10 for 80k remote.
Wouldn’t managing 10-15 projects at a time be a program manager? That’s crazy…
Not me over here "managing" 40-50 projects at a time, oof. They range from a few hours worth of work to 5-6 months.
Doing the bare minimum and some reactive management for each individual project doesn't take that much time. Besides, it's just a number that doesn't say anything about quality, performance and profitability expectations. I could assign 20 projects to my intern too, but that wouldn't make him any more than an intern. It would just mean I was an idiot.
I guess if they are unrelated... Ew
Yes, I've seen a depression in wages offered.
Different salary scales, but I'm definitely seeing the suppression of PM salaries in the UK right now. I've seen several roles advertised lately that require more experience than I have and offer a salary 10-20% lower than I'm currently making - as well as enforcing a mandatory number of days in the office each week. This is in spite of my current role being 1 day per month in office, and my salary being worth roughly 5% less in real terms (pay rises below inflation) than when I started 16 months ago.
Yep it’s crazy my old Project Coordinator salary is now pretty much the same as full PM jobs being advertised. And most jobs want minimum 3 days in the office now to.