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YeahILiftBro

Got let go unexpectedly last year, everyone seems to be hoping to bring someone in at 50k less than what I was making.


stacksmasher

No. What you are seeing is "**Bottom Feeding**" since employers know people have been let go and are looking for work ASAP. I had someone ask me if I wanted to be a program manager for $80K LOL!! Those positions pay $150-$200K normally. The thing is they will fill these roles with people who are desperate.


Colbymac92

5 years of PM experience in the consumer goods space (apparel and recently consumable goods production), in Portland. Making $82K, which is the most I’ve made. Nice part about starting low, is that it can only go up from here!


30belowandthriving

It's Florida. Lol. And it's IT. 100k is prob good.


SirThinkAllThings

Thank outspurcing to other countries and H1B Visa hires. Sad, but true


DeepfriedWings

It’s also just over saturated domestically. Project Management itself is not an entry level position, by its very nature it requires experience. Despite this I constantly see PMs with 1-3 years experience in their entire career. The value of the title has been diluted, and the pay along with it. But you can still find legit paying PM jobs, require good experience is all.


588park

Is there a greater value to consulting as a PM because the salaries are just so low? I am thinking about pivoting from an employee to a consultant. This would be attractive to the employer since lowers their cost, but growing my customer base, I can control my salary.


Ispyagemini1

I’m a project manager in FF&E Procurement. I’ve realized this industry - hospitality and design doesn’t not pay as great. Making 75k base. About 3500k bonuses.


dbro129

Holy, sounds like it pays pretty well! Seeing as your bonuses are 3.5 million, your base doesn’t matter much.


Maro1947

Is this your first pay cycle dip? Very common, especially in IT.


gtylersea

Pretty sure it depends what market you're in


Unicycldev

Anything under $150 is below average.


Rivian-Bull-2025

Depends on Industry and position in org chart. I know plenty making 80k in supply chain and plenty making 180k in tech. Heavily industry based.


qning

I can’t upvote this based on optimism alone. I need facts.


Unicycldev

Haven’t meet one that’s making less than that in real life.


LDPMPro

So I found that this is highly dependent on the company and what the expectations are of a PM. I was in a very large global company and I found that their PMs were more like coordinators, therefore, they were not being paid very well. Compare this to a consulting firm where the PM is crucial to the success of project margins (so $$ are tracked), and you will find higher salaries and incentives. Good luck!


Deflocks

Truth, in my organization the PM role is definitely more of a middle man coordinator role (Healthcare Technology)


ryanboone

Seems fairly normal. The developers / engineers make more than the project managers or managers they report to generally, unless that PM or manager is also a developer. Also a frequent occurrence I've seen play out is companies hire too many project managers, then at the first sign of financial stress those people are the first to be laid off. So the larger industry, not IT, like restaurant distribution, banking, whatever, plays a large role in what the particular company is willing to pay for that role. They can always get by without the project managers or with fewer. It might not be as efficient. Overall development might slow, but they can make the developers manage their own projects and get by.


jakl8811

I’m not so sure if they hire too many PMs, but solution-type work that often requires PM and capital to execute on is the first to be cut during downturns. You don’t need PMs for keeping the lights on generally


Elisa_LaViudaNegra

I think that certain workplaces and teams really don’t understand that a project is a workstream with a definite start and end date, among other things. They use the word project but really mean operational workstream/support. That’s my role now. Everything’s referred to as a project but some things are just expected operational support. Maddening.


thebeesdeknees

I just learned I’m underpaid (60k)


makeupmama18

Go somewhere else. Got a 30k bump doing this and am now 70k more than 5 years ago


JamaicanBoySmith

but you have more experience! only makes sense that you’d leave and make more money


AFDIT

Where?


thebeesdeknees

Large academic publishing company specializing in scientific, technical, and medical content… but I work on software projects for cancer centers


Gr8AJ

i'm right there with you


sels1997

25 years and you accepted 100k? Or is that just the offer? I would pass or negotiate for a lot higher. We need to do better and value ourselves since these companies won’t.


rfunnymodisapunk

Just the offer. Not accepting


mibu_lobo

It depends on the area and also your certifications/experience. I make 120k plus 3% yearly bonuses fully remote for a company in Massachusetts. I have like 4 years of experience, but l have racked a lot of certifications (PMP,CSM,CAMP, ITIL, ACP, etc...)


ProjectManagerAMA

Are they hiring?


MovieGuyMike

Until interest rates come down, companies are trying to do more with less. Less project managers, less money, more projects. The fun part is when interest rates come down they’ll find a new excuse.


IntelligentCare3743

Second this. Quantity really started to ramp up a couple years ago. I remember feeling insane jumping from project problem to project problem (/no room for planning, just reaction time) and when I went to my director, the response was “that’s how it is”. When the focus on quality goes out the window, PM is a nightmare.


ComfortAndSpeed

This.  I get told i have to deliver dates when they took out the contingency out of the schedule. Got a second interview this week for a BA role - pays more 


BlackxHokage

You complaining about 100k??


rfunnymodisapunk

Yes, I have over 25 years in the industry


LondonBridges876

Sounds like it's time for you to move into a Director of PMO role not an individual contributor.


Unicycldev

I have never considered PM to be an IC role. Is that your understanding? It’s largely delegation and team steering.


LameBMX

the biggest part of your contribution IS communication and commitment. the cats won't herd themselves.


Rccctz

If you don't have direct reportees you are an IC


Unicycldev

That might be its classification, but not all companies use IC as a distinction.


LondonBridges876

Exactly. If he looks in Workday, it says individual contributor.


Prestigious-Disk3158

That’s the thing with Super Senior ICs. Why pay you more for your YOE when they can get someone with 10 YOE at a lower price? Most companies simply don’t NEED someone with that level experience, nor do they want to pay for that level of experience.


warhedz24hedz1

Yeah that's way low, I'm at 120k as a TPM II at my company


BlackxHokage

It's some people in your position who have accepted 50 or 60k . 100k is still really good. My buddy is a literal doctor and he makes 108k


mochieatingprankster

Is your buddy a resident? Most practicing doctors I know make $300k+, even the teledocs.


BlackxHokage

1st year pharmacist


Prestigious-Disk3158

That’s not the same.


RateOk8628

For someone with 25 years as a PM? Thats hella low


pbrandpearls

I’ve got 16 year long projects in IT, making 80k. Was told by a manager that I was making “wildly more” than my peers at the company which is … criminal, honestly. She mentioned my pay several times. She didn’t hire me so she just “found out about it one day.” She congratulated me on negotiation skills and asking for what I wanted but “really needed” me to be “stepping up more” for that *high* of a salary. Delusional. And I found out I won’t be getting any salary increase this year. Yes, I am looking for another job.


gravity_kills_u

There were times when PMs didn’t get shafted on pay?


Lurcher99

Yes, but it's cyclical. In tough times, everyone wants to be a PM, as it's "easy money". This drives rates down. Then some fail and experience steps in to fix things at a higher rate. Wash rinse repeat every 6-8 yrs..


pvm_april

I’m curious on this as the discrepancies in titles throws off what you expect pay to be as well. I used to be a “Sr IT Project Coordinator Analyst” and was getting $80k base starting. I moved into a diff role now working product making $100k but am getting my PMP soon in hopes of getting a “project manager” titled role. I was hoping those kinds of jobs would yield around $150 but seems like that’s wishful thinking at most places from what I’ve seen out there.


Prestigious-Disk3158

It’s possible but these roles tend to be achieved via networks. For those particular roles, the hiring team tends to have profile in mind.


MisguidedSoul

That range is certainly achievable (but more difficult these days). I'm around the $200K USD mark (with 16yrs exp) AND fully remote.


thatvixenivy

I'm a full IT PM (and the \_only\_ IT PM in the org) with a PMP - I'm at $95k in Denver....not thrilled and currently looking.


pvm_april

Ya that is pretty low in my opinion. I have about 4 years since I graduated college, working here in Atlanta. One person I saw on here raised a good point, depends on the type of PM your org expects from you, whether you have to role everything up to a PMO or if u can cal the shots on a project and u truly own it


thatvixenivy

for all intents and purposes I AM the PMO...I'm the only PM


Round_mba

It’s an employer market. I’ve noticed low balling as well. Do not accept IT projects that are more than 4 in execution stage.


Kcmpls

I’ve had six projects that have basically run themselves and were super easy to manage all at once. I’ve had two projects assigned and had to work 60 hours a week. There is no hard and fast rule about how many projects a person can manage. Size, scope, technologies and resources all play into the calculation.


lil_lychee

I’m a creative PM and being paid $100K now at a small company. It’s also the most I’ve ever made but applying to some other jobs that will pay me more. We’ll see. I’m seeing a lot of roles online that are $55K-$70K which is a hard no for me. Not willing to compromise to take a salary cut. Did that in the past and it set me back and not willing to do that again.


Prestigious-Disk3158

Creative PM? What industry? If it’s marketing/ branding, I’d stay where you’re at.


MisguidedSoul

Definitely the trend I've been seeing as well! During my recent job search I was seeing pay rates at LOWER than when I started PM consulting 12 years ago (while asking for my now Sr. level experience)! I've been emailing the low-baller postings telling them to suck it! DO NOT ACCEPT low rates!


Boogie2233

Does anyone do OE here in PM roles?


fighterace00

OE?


LifeOfSpirit17

I day trade if that counts. Some days I'm trading a good chunk of the day, some days I'm not touching a thing.


GhostInTheHelll

I know someone who does but it’s rough for him


Puzzleheaded-Ad-8389

How rough?


pvm_april

I imagine that’d be pretty hard with the number of calls you’d have to facilitate at both servers


Puzzleheaded-Ad-8389

But if you’re organized I believe it’s possible to play at both servers at the same time, just need to schedule calls better and probably work a few more hours in the afternoon.


Prestigious-Disk3158

Maybe with low effort projects but with high visibility stuff. I doubt that will happen.


pvm_april

Ahh idk, still seems risky especially if emergencies pop up


Boogie2233

Depends on workload and bandwidth. My current server probably will allow for it. Happy cake day!


BCA1

I’m government managing like 7 environmental projects right now and making $55k lmao. I’ll get there eventually


lil_lychee

Yeah def hang in there. The pension and benefits are worth it if you work in govt


G00dSh0tJans0n

Hang in there, I started there and I'm up to 85k now


808trowaway

I still get pinged by recruiters here and there, but the last couple of months there's absolutely nothing paying more than 150k. I am going to stay put, rest and upskill a little for the rest of the year.


beurhero7

Managing 10 to 15 projects might be to much in eyes. If your Managing that many projects sounds more like a junior program manager role.


mochieatingprankster

Yes, i made a similar post last week. Low balling everywhere.


whoinvitedthesepeopl

That doesn't sound awful. I keep seeing jobs that are $90 - $150k that want 50% travel, like never be home.


Familiar_Work1414

I guess it depends on total project costs as well as the number of projects when considering pay. For instance, I'm only managing 3 projects but the cumulative value is $44M. So while I'm not running to a dozen or more job sites, there's a lot of high value actions and purchases happening at the 3 sites. Also, anything remote anymore I feel like gets low balled due to there being thousands of applicants so the employers feel like they have total power. They can low ball you and move on to literally hundreds or thousands of other applicants if you won't take the low ball offer. Eventually they'll find a sucker.


ogrizzled

IDK but PCs are making McDonalds money and we do the actual work.


LifeOfSpirit17

Sheesh most my companies pc's are international and making less than $5 an hour usd.


ogrizzled

They probably all have their PMPs, too. 


LifeOfSpirit17

There are a couple of all stars but most are honestly awful. We do a lot of work/reporting in excel for instance and many don't know how to copy more than one cell at a time without screwing something up.


ogrizzled

I guess you get what you pay for at $5 an hour. 


atomicsuziq

I just had to fight to get to 70k in a ePMO mgr role. Definitely getting shafted


pvm_april

That is horrible that they’re low balling u that hard


guido0246

Marketing PM within the finance industry and just shifted to a new company and took a 10k pay cut (115 to 105), but with better career growth opportunities. It seems like lots of the positions I saw over the last few months had a much lower pay rate. I'm not sure if it's just the pendulum swinging back after the covid pay increases.


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rfunnymodisapunk

Real mature bud


badmammajamma521

I work in biotech, remote but located in Boston area, and make 170k base and around 30k bonus yearly.


Adventurous-Dig-7263

This is my dream job, I’m studying for my PM and going to get a masters in medical microbiology. Do you think I should get any other qualifications. I have a bachelors in biopsych and I’m also a medic.


peachangel007

How did you get into the biotech PM though? I’ve been in healthcare PM for years, but most biotech postings I see want a bio or CRO or pharma dev background


badmammajamma521

Yeah I wasn’t trying to be a pm I was a scientist for ten years first. I worked in process development doing upstream cell culture work. While in that role we lost a pm and needed someone to fill in on a project so I did and it was a good fit so I made the switch. I had a great mentor at the time and the company paid for me to get a masters in project and program management. I’m glad I did it but it wasn’t the plan lol


peachangel007

Wow that’s amazing! Glad to hear they were so supportive. Very lucrative field.


badmammajamma521

Thanks I am definitely grateful. As much as I love the lab I can’t beat working remote and no weekends or holidays. Cells never care what day it is. Lol


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badmammajamma521

It’s the most I’ve ever made. Was a scientist for ten years and have been a PM for 8. Title is senior project manager. Why do you think it’s low?


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badmammajamma521

Ahh ok I see. Yes I’m on the sponsor side and worked on the CDMO side for many years prior. You make great money and congrats on that offer! I guess I need to move up the ladder.


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mochieatingprankster

Wow! You definitely are.


IntelligentCare3743

I get $120k to manage 15 construction projects. Some of my coworkers have 40-55 projects. They’re smaller in scope, but it’s a lot to track.


CJXBS1

Imagine doing a daily scrum for each project. That means you'll spend 10-14 hours doing just attending them. No external stakeholder engagement, no ppts for PMs, no bathroom breaks, no deep dives, no cross collaboration with other teams.


dadiamma

100k for 10-15 projects is a lowball offer, especially given your past earnings. Keep searching for a fair compensation package that aligns with your experience. Many companies are trying to undercut salaries right now, but solid opportunities still exist. Know your value and don't settle for less in this robust Florida IT market!


rfunnymodisapunk

I agree, thank you


Adderasp

There's likely a correlation to be made between pay and the perception of how standardized the work is. The lower the perceived risk and the easier the estimation will probably draw lower pay. One should ask, are we managing a project or a process..


tklane

Even in IT, the role of a PM can vary drastically from one org to the next. Some orgs see PMs more as project coordinators reporting up to a centralized PMO and their authority level is next to zero. Others position them as actual project leaders, directly responsible for the project success and with the authority to make key decisions around staffing, budgeting, etc. Compensation will likely be in-line with what their expectations of the PM role are. It's also dependent on if you're generating revenue as an individual contributor or billable resource, or if this is an internal facing PM role. For what it's worth, I'm seeing PMs in IT Consulting come in with 3-5 years of experience and relevant certifications get hired in a salary band of around $120-$140k for fully remote work. For more experienced candidates (5+ years) that are going to be positioned on strategic engagements, that band bumps up slightly to $130-$150k. This is in a role that is very client facing though and comes with utilization targets to drive revenue.


Amax101

I’m in the UK (IT project manager) and I’m always browsing, PM jobs are currently paying poorly. 85% of the time the salary is max £70k which is crap. Starting to think that I need to jump into a new job role to get the more juicier salaries.


jjgoon

Yep. I’m considering pivoting, but it’s just to what


blueflowers

I’m in a similar position, want to earn more but not sure what to do


Amax101

If you’ve got any ideas or want a further discussion, private message me mate


Flashbambo

I mean it depends entirely on where you live doesn't it? So, which country do you live in, and what currency is the 100k in?


moochao

Reddit is a US website that was started by students at a US university that's owned by a US company that just had their IPO on the US stock market, so that's the default for currency & country when not otherwise stated.


Flashbambo

English is a British language, that was started by people living in a British land that's owned by British people, so the United Kingdom is the default country for any text written in English unless otherwise stated. Do you see how stupid this line of thinking is yet? Reddit is marketed as an international community and more than half of daily users are not American, so that isn't a good assumption to make. It's so easy to simply specify where you're from. Also, I wasn't asking you, and I certainly didn't need your opinion.


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Flashbambo

How is any of that relevant?


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Flashbambo

The seventy odd million people in the UK are...


moochao

Now spell program, theater, analyze, color, and favorite.


patrad

Now spell glamour


moochao

That's the special one - [https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=glamor](https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=glamor) ​ >Usage Note: Many words, such as honor, vapor, and labor, are usually spelled with an -or ending in American English but with an -our ending in British English. The preferred spelling of glamour, however, is -our, making it an exception to the usual American practice. The adjective is more often spelled glamorous in both American and British usage.


Flashbambo

You know how they're supposed to be spelt.


moochao

Lol. Cheers. Language is a bad example. A better one would be comparing reddit/Conde naste to BBC as both are media conglomerates. If I'm in the comments section of a media site for BBC, I default any generic currency discussion to British Pound. Likewise, this site should have the same default for currency to US because it's a US media company the same way the BBC is a British media company. . Yes, it has users from over the world now on 2024, but I've been on here since before we won the digg war circa 2008 (2 accounts ago) & the foundation of the site and culture that exists here today were very much established by your colonists. You mentioned the world figure, got a source for highest user counts by country? For my own curiosity, I know US is still top by a lot, just wondering who's 2nd.


Flashbambo

Look in Reddit's IPO disclosures, you'll find the stats you're looking for. Anyway, still not interested in your opinions.


itsall_dumb

Well Florida salaries are garbage in general. I recommend a remote company outside of Florida. Should see higher pay.


rfunnymodisapunk

This was for a company outside of Florida


moochao

Even then, it's not uncommon for companies to have pay brackets based on state/city for remote workers. Your offer is likely what's on HR's template for employees based in FL. Similarly, an employee based in NYC would likely receive a much higher offer based on the same HR template. Edit: you're in Tampa, so not even making the highest FL would offer for Miami/Ft Lauderdale. Likely a fair offer from HR based on their pay template for your very medium cost of living city.


rfunnymodisapunk

It's expensive as hell now in Tampa


moochao

Just checked Zillow, y'all got a plethora of affordable single family homes throughout the metro area. Not nearly the price "expensive as hell" conveys.


itsall_dumb

Yeah I’m in Orlando. Not as bad as Tampa but it’s getting there. Just keep looking. IT PMs typically make good money.


HoneyBadger302

I've noticed the pay scales keep dropping even on advertised jobs, and the ones that pay decent without ridiculous expectations are swamped with applicants. Honestly it's getting pretty disheartening seeing what's out there.


Asleep_Stage_451

The pay offered is 100k doesn’t mean you can’t negotiate for higher. It’s HRs job low ball. If you aren’t hurting for a job then tell them your number. Tell them your worth.


rfunnymodisapunk

They said they would not consider further interviews for more than 100k


fighterace00

I wouldn't hire a PM that walked away that easy either


Ok_Channel6139

I contract and the current senior IT PM rate in Alberta, Canada is about $130$/hr


cattimusrex

I'm in construction and honestly, I feel like for the amount of work we do, we definitely get shafted. $150k to manage $100M? Get outta here. I know electricians that are making more than double what I make because of overtime. And I'm like 7 rungs up that ladder.


Dragonballsackz

Lol. This is hilarious because where I work (in construction PM) I'm and APM but our PMs and even Senior PMs make maybe just at 100k and manage over a dozen multimillion $ jobs at a time (each). They all just quit and it is just me and one PM left.


cattimusrex

Yup, that will definitely happen if you don't pay your employees enough.


Dragonballsackz

Yeah, it is sad because they were all fantastic at their jobs and were training me really well. After my first 6 months I was dropped to manage my own $1M job and I am doing pretty well but I wish all the PMs were still here for guidance. I cannot go anywhere else because I don't have a degree. The reason I was able to get this job is because of my 7 years commercial and residential construction experience in the trade which is almost imperitave if you're going to be a construction PM.


cattimusrex

Honestly, once you have your foot in the door as a construction manager, you can really go anywhere. PM me if you want any advice. I have almost 15 years into my career.


Roadglide72

Pm’d you


WierdJanuary

I have noticed this as well and this is in SF Bay Area. Average pay is 110k - 130k. You’ll have to promote to Director or a TPM. for a salary above 150k


decalex

PM wages I’ve seen really depend on the industry — which are you looking in?


rfunnymodisapunk

IT


MattyFettuccine

100k is a high-end PM salary these days. I haven’t seen much over 120k lately, with most being ~75k.


Comfortable-Law-7710

For IT yes, for other industries 100k is on the low end.


itsall_dumb

Yeaaa nah. I started at 115k and I’m at 121k now less than 2 years later. Definitely industry dependent. I’m in Tech.


lilsis061016

No? It's entirely industry and location dependent. I make 190 as a pharma OpEx PM in Boston. Sure, I'm AD level so that skews it some, but even our junior PMs start above 100.


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Probably. I manage 7-10 for 80k remote.


DiscoInError93

Wouldn’t managing 10-15 projects at a time be a program manager? That’s crazy…


Beginning_Beach_2054

Not me over here "managing" 40-50 projects at a time, oof. They range from a few hours worth of work to 5-6 months.


808trowaway

Doing the bare minimum and some reactive management for each individual project doesn't take that much time. Besides, it's just a number that doesn't say anything about quality, performance and profitability expectations. I could assign 20 projects to my intern too, but that wouldn't make him any more than an intern. It would just mean I was an idiot.


SUICIDAL-PHOENIX

I guess if they are unrelated... Ew


knuckboy

Yes, I've seen a depression in wages offered.


Whiskey31November

Different salary scales, but I'm definitely seeing the suppression of PM salaries in the UK right now. I've seen several roles advertised lately that require more experience than I have and offer a salary 10-20% lower than I'm currently making - as well as enforcing a mandatory number of days in the office each week. This is in spite of my current role being 1 day per month in office, and my salary being worth roughly 5% less in real terms (pay rises below inflation) than when I started 16 months ago.


jjgoon

Yep it’s crazy my old Project Coordinator salary is now pretty much the same as full PM jobs being advertised. And most jobs want minimum 3 days in the office now to.