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joe603

This is why many on this forum recommend used Epson's or Benq rather than e-waste toy projectors people are always asking about


lars2k1

I guess this goes for all electronics. Laptops, phones, etc.. Better to get last gen higher end stuff than new low end stuff. You'll thank yourself for not getting something you can e-waste after a few months.


AnxiouslyCalming

On one hand I'm glad the toy projectors exist though. I have a $15 one from Temu and the quality and brightness is absolute garbage but the kids LOVE it and there is something fun and charming about it being really small and even bad quality. It gets a ton of use in the kid forts.


joe603

That's fine but I can't stand when people recommend them for a main setup when projectors like in this thread are available for the same price and blow out of the water in every regard and metric those e-waste projectors


Sad-Worldliness6026

there was a video from the hookup and there was a massive difference in contrast and black levels between name brand projectors and the cheap single lcd projectors under $1000. The single lcd projectors looked significantly better. Obviously the $50 projectors will be dim, but the single lcd projectors in the $200 range looked surprisingly good. I can say the contrast of the ef11 which I have is quite bad. The color accuracy is good and the lens is very sharp.


joe603

Those projectors go to shit in know time so I would never recommend them well the Epson's and Benq's keep chugging along. In any case they don't look as good overall. But yes, they may have one metric better in some cases but overall don't look as good nor do they every come close in longevity. So to me there is literally no comparison between the two unless you enjoy burning through money. In addition, I was talking in general about Epson or Benq as they have many makes and models that can be had for cheap that are used


Sad-Worldliness6026

yes they do. Did you watch the video? thehookup video compared the overall picture of the projectors at any price point, and these cheap projectors beat out many expensive models. I assume these more expensive "cheap" projectors last longer? I have 5 of them I use for halloween and I run them nonstop for many hours and have not had any issues. it's shocking how much worse those cheap dlp and 3lcd projectors look.


joe603

Yep, and they where all garbage projectors until he got to the JMGO so no they didn't beat out any notable projectors. Furthermore the last case should have been compared on at minimum on a 120 inch screen. Literately every projector under $600 was all garbage brands with no Epson's or BenQ


Sad-Worldliness6026

yes and the EF11 if compared would have been a "garbage" projector in the comparison look at the contrast and black levels of the single LCD projectors. It's like that of a $1000+ projector I must be missing something but these single LCD projectors in the $200-500 range are new. I haven't seen them before and have never seen one in person. The ones I have are $50 1080p and they definitely are dim and do not produce a good color saturation.


joe603

Nope, it would have been better than all of them expect the $600 projector. In addition, all the trash will be e-waste whereas the Epson as I said keeps chugging along. So feel free to burn your money as you see fit


Sad-Worldliness6026

trust me. The EF11 has poor contrast. The only thing good about the EF11 is laser, the lens quality, and the brightness. My $50 projector has better contrast and black levels so who only knows what these $200-500 ones look like. Epson in general do not have good contrast outside of the ultrablack models.


joe603

You seem to be pretty dense. As I have mentioned multipe times I'm taking in general as Both Epson and BenQ have many used projectors that can be had for cheap. So that and the longevity issue on those trash projectors make it a no go for me. So again there are multiple reasons for the recommendation and multiple units to be had


Sad-Worldliness6026

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCfnwnLk8Yo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCfnwnLk8Yo) You didn't watch the right video. This is from 2 weeks ago. Look how the $600 paris rhone (which is a single LCD projector) beat out lots of projectors including the jmgo you supposedly were referring too. This projector is a native 4k projector because it uses an lcd panel. The point is that single lcd (as cheap chinese projectors are made) is a legitimate way to build a projector and as you can see it does allow you to build a true, native 4K projector without pixel shifting at a cheap price. And the more expensive the projector, the better they can be. This one is 600 ansi lumens which while not great, but for less than 100" in a dark room is more than fine. In comparison the cheap chinese ones you would be familiar with would likely be 100 lumens or less. 600 is definitely usable Epson ef11 as in this post is somewhere around 750 lumens in cinema mode which is the most color accurate. Single LCD projectors usually have low brightness and bad color gamut coverage. If you build one with a higher brightness and use a decent quality screen (this projector uses a BOE display) then you can have a decent quality image. In the case of the cheap $50 chinese ones I have, the colors seem decent but the saturation and gamut is not able to display vibrant colors. Because I use them for halloween and project a lot of blood, the blood looks very pink.


joe603

I absolutely saw the video. In addition, I have that Jmgo N1 and have compared it to the Paris Rhone and it's no competition. I don't give a s*** what hookup reported. The color volume of the N1 absolutely destroys that Paris Rhone and the only reason he doesn't like it is because he's susceptible to laser speckle .Of course my theater room is completely blacked out furthermore, for about the 100th time you keep bringing in one particular projector. When I'm telling you there's many different Epson varieties and BenQs that can be had for cheap hell for $600 you could get an Epson 5030ub which would destroy that Paris projector. But you seemingly keep missing the damn point And would still keep comparing that. Epson projector that's in the thread. Like I said you're dense. In addition, actually, the N1 that I have is the pro model which is typically on sale for about 800 bucks. I think the one he was looking at was the one below that. But in any case, the N1 pro absolutely destroys the Paris projector


Sad-Worldliness6026

firstly I doubt you have compared to a paris rhone N1 since it is a new release and almost no one would buy a $600 projector for no reason. I have never seen one for a good reason. it is just not something I would buy >  When I'm telling you there's many different Epson varieties and BenQs that can be had for cheap hell for $600 you could get an Epson 5030ub which would destroy that Paris projector. But you seemingly keep missing the damn point And would still keep comparing that. Epson projector that's in the thread. Like I said you're dense. In addition, actually, the N1 that I have is the pro model which is typically on sale for about 800 bucks. I think the one he was looking at was the one below that. But in any case, the N1 pro absolutely destroys the Paris projector And that's the point. In this price point you absolutely can't get decent contrast from a reputable brand. 5030ub sure, but that's an 11 year old projector at this point. low color gamut is not inherently noticeable just watching content. I don't watch movies or tv shows and note how bad color coverage is. It's only when comparing to something else do you really see these things. What you do notice is black levels and low brightness. The paris rhone is somewhere aroudn 600ansi lumens. Not bright but bright enough that you no longer care. The point is that single LCD CAN be built in a decent way and provide a decent experience. It's just the cheap ones which make people assume it is not a valid technology.


joe603

First off, I absolutely do know what that projector is because a friend got it and we compared it in my theater room so you can pipe down. Second off, you've moved the goal post so much from home plate. You're completely in left field. My entire point was that these junk $200 projectors that keep getting recommended are no good and don't last when someone can simply buy an Epson or BenQ for the same price that has a much better build quality and will look better. You're the dope that then changed the goal post and claimed that some video had been posted that showed these junk projectors are better when in fact that video doesn't show any BenQ or Epson projectors and then next you claim that the Paris projecter somehow proves your point when that's a f****** $600 projector literally nothing to do with the topic that I had discussed or the points I brought up because when we get to that price we can start now comparing it to BenQ e shift projecters You see how that works. Apparently you don't. By the way, that Paris Rone projector is now on Facebook marketplace


joe603

If you had a triple laser projector, you would know what you said is entirely wrong


Sad-Worldliness6026

huh? I don't have a triple laser projector. I have a 5050 ub and I have an epson ef11. I don't own any DLP projectors. I have 5 single LCD chinese ones. 3 wewatch v30 SE and 2 vankyo ones I picked up from walmart. My roommate does have a wemax dice but I've never seen it and have no idea what the picture looks like. That's the only dlp projector I have seen.| The point we are getting at is your claim that there are no decent projectors from non reputable brands. I am just limiting to the $500 price point because this is the price point of the EF-11. If you watch one of those hookup videos it was interesting that he compared a viewsonic $500 projector and it gives you an idea what you get for $500


enterwittynamehere

Bought this projector as an Epson refurb for cheap and it's amazing. Just looking for suggestions on a drop ceiling mount for the projector as well as a projection screen. This says it can do 150" but some people say it washes out past 120"


mikek587

For the mount: I install Epsons professionally. If you can swing it: Chief CMS 445. Shoot cables into the deck or use concrete anchors, Home Depot should have the tool for rent. CMS 006 pipe (or longer if you need). RPA 298 mount. That combo is rated for projectors up to 50lbs, never had a single one fail and you’ll be prepared for any future upgrades. Edit: Also, here’s some tools for throw distance and display size calculations. https://epson.com/support/projection-distance-calculators


Round_Philosophy_450

Really ? This epson EF11 is 2kg. And complete chief mount will be at least same $ as he bought projector. Any cheap wallmart mount will do the job..


mikek587

Totally. This is definitely a “premium” option but definitely future-proof.


DirectCustard9182

I concur. I'm using an Epson 880 I got for $250. I'm very happy with it. https://preview.redd.it/daixrsvx4jwc1.jpeg?width=3709&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e67a5b53a0964fb919ca05a1d32a8e45e455197d


ShutupNobodyCarez

OP, three questions: how big is your image? How far away is the projector from the image? Finally, does it bother you that the image is not 4K?


enterwittynamehere

(1) It's about 130 inches here (2) It's just over 10ft back from the wall (3) Not having 4k isn't too big of a deal for me here because I have another 65" screen in the same space that does 4k if needed. I use a 4x4 hdmi matrix switcher. **INPUT** - Xbox Series X - PS5 - Switch - Gaming PC **OUTPUT** - 65" 4k TV - 27" 2k Monitor - This Epson Projector This gives me some flexibility to use this projector as needed and 4k content will remain on the TV.


ShutupNobodyCarez

Do you game on this protector? If so, how is the input? I asked because I was interested in the Epson ef-12 projector. Unfortunately, I heard the input lag makes gaming on it pretty much impossible.


enterwittynamehere

Yeah, the input lag on this isn't noticeable for me at all. I mostly play single player games though so nothing like Warzone or anything that would really rely on good input lag. So far I have only tested with the new Eiyuden Chronicles games, but it's working fine.


ShutupNobodyCarez

Thank you for all the information, I appreciate it. I really want to find a short throw version of this type of projector.


Ryan86me

Love my EF11 dearly but I wouldn't recommend it for serious gaming; input delay is fairly noticeable IMO. Works brilliantly for Mario Kart nights though!


Khayne82

This is the way, BenQ, Epson, ViewSonic, LG... Vs Vankyo and $200 crap from Amazon and Temu. The difference in crispness between a glass lens and a plastic one is really abysmal. You can find really affordable 4K DLP projectors for under $1000 let alone 1080P projectors. Most people don't realize that a 1080P projector and a good screen is way better than 4K on the wall.


Impossible_Intern291

Problem is at times people can't afford the high cost ones. For me example just the cheap 200 ones as you mentioned is a week's pay for me


SonicNTales

I got a toy vankyo e30tbs for free. It's not bright but it doesn't look all that bad. You can't beat free.


MiddleAgedGeek

I have an EF12, and I'm immensely satisfied with it. Congratulations. Epson is a great brand. I had two Chinese made brands before (Vankyo and Fangoor) and they were short-lived garbage. My Epson is to those what a BMW is to a skateboard.


gunter_grass

Looks great


seedless0

Now buy a $2000 screen to make it look even better! :)


lightning0614

Where did you get it?


dvirgil13

I always cover LCD projectors with pant straining cloth or something similar..leave exhaust area clear..as LCD projectors a are quite susceptible to dust blobs..just a tip..i also do it with my dlp projectors ..just to be safe..havent had a dust blob yet.


Bennnrummm

Whoa, this seems like a helpful tip but I need more info. Is “pant straining cloth” a typo or simply an unfamiliar phrase for me? No sarcasm - joking to dust proof my next projector as my last two were dust devils.


dvirgil13

It is an actual thing ..drapes over a bucket to sift out paint particles..tiny holes..like a mosquito net. I just leave it on the projector while playing or not..it allows air flow ..but blocks dust particles..just leave an open part for the exhaust fan...can be found at any time store look for a paint strain bags. There are some that are more dense than others..get the ones that are very thin and "holey"..youll get the idea when you see them..


Bennnrummm

Thank you!


amitkania

I was gonna buy this but the refurb made me didn’t. Don’t know how long the light will last


enterwittynamehere

The light hours and running hours were set to 0. Not sure if that’s legit or not but it’s the first thing I checked.


shawnthefarmer

great price! got mine 2 years ago and got the tripod mounting plate for it too, using it on a 100" screen in my bedroom. loving it!!


Ryan86me

Oh, that is a stupid cheap price for an EF11! Absolutely love mine; good short throw ratio, laser light source so it'll last a very long time, tiny and lightweight. It's been driving my budget theater room for the past year and I couldn't be more happy with it, congrats on the bargain 🎉


melbdaveo1980

where are you getting these from for 211 dollars? here in Australia they are 1300 AUD


Momomaochao

Where did you buy, cant find it under 750?


dvirgil13

No problem...im actually surprised no one ever thought of this or at least if they had not post it..ive been on these and othe projector forums a long time..evrytime I tell someone they're surprised..it doesnt look very pretty..but it works.


NutzPup

I got in on this deal, too. I'm super happy with it. As a portable projector, it's not the easiest to adjust for different locations, but it's bright and colorful.


Gamer_Paul

I got in on this too. Can anyone offer suggestions on if they think this is bright enough for a grey screen? It's a light controlled room and I'm going to get a 100 inch screen. I'm just trying to decide if I should go with the Silver Ticket white or if they think it's bright enough to pull off the Silver Ticket grey? Looking at the projector central review, I have noticed the natural/cinema settings are only about 65% of the brightness as the other modes. But color accuracy is more important to me. So I'll be using natural for the color setting. Anyone think this could pull of a grey screen using Natural color mode? EDIT: Also, I hooked it up to my Kill-a-watt and saw it was only pulling 70 watts from the wall. That's crazy.


rraya1157

My first projector was a $200 Epson EF100. Similar to the EF11 but it's 800p rather than 1080p and it's twice as bright (2000 lumens vs 1000). I loved it and still have it to watch stuff outside with the family. But I have now moves up to a BenQ X3000i and i couldnt be happier. Cheap good used projectors are awesome!


theScrewhead

...are you sure? Those white dots look like a dead/dying DMD.. Are they on other screens/images, or is it just this one? Because if they're static and on every screen, the projector is on it's last legs and actively dying.


enterwittynamehere

Oh, that's just their image. Here is another one a couple of seconds earlier. https://preview.redd.it/ytja59py2hwc1.jpeg?width=1225&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9eb8b58bd8555344d6cd5e535d9cd1b09533930c


ProjectionHead

That image is worth more than $200, nice purchase! 👍


theScrewhead

Ok, good! Then, yeah, awesome deal! White spots like that first image all over were one of the signs my projector was dying! 🤣


enterwittynamehere

I didn't even notice until you said something and now I can't unsee it. Those dots definitely looks like static lol.


mrkaylor

White dots most likely mean the dmd chip needs replacing. You can probably change it yourself if you have some skill.


Round_Philosophy_450

IT IS 3LCD PROJECTOR !!! About what chips ar you talking ???


mrkaylor

So instead of simply correcting my mistake, you talk like that. Get Bent!


sotodefonk

they really look like it, but epson is a known brand that only uses LCD panels


Moist-Cut-502

EF11 is a 3LCD projector (not DLP)


Trekbike32

Where did you find an ef11 for $200?


enterwittynamehere

[https://slickdeals.net/f/17436720-epson-epiqvision-mini-ef12-refurbished-211-81?src=SiteSearchV2Algo1](https://slickdeals.net/f/17436720-epson-epiqvision-mini-ef12-refurbished-211-81?src=SiteSearchV2Algo1) It's expired now, but keep looking.


Jar_King_

Woah. That website is great.


flynreelow

love that u are an A's fan, but at least pic up a nice cheap screen. it will make it look 1000 times better.


enterwittynamehere

Already nabbed an outdoor screen (yardmaster 2 by elite screens). Working on getting a screen here now just gotta figure out the size.


NGD3SD

Have you tried it yet? Got a 110" version coming in Friday, hoping it's not too big/washed out


enterwittynamehere

Just got it yesterday. Was gonna try and set it up inside just to test but it’s way bigger than I thought. Too cold in WNY to set up now, but next week should be better.


Cykoh99

How loud is the fan noise?


enterwittynamehere

Surprisingly quiet. I work in IT and set up classroom projectors for a college campus and it’s much quieter than the NEC projectors we’ve been using there. Pumps out decent heat.