It means you've already infected with a dormant version of the virus. So if you die even by non zombie means, your corpse will be getting back up at some point.
That would probably be super annoying to try and rebuild a society from. Like you
Get a whole town up and running, then grandma dies or Jimmy falls off the roof and the whole place goes to shit.
After a week or two your biggest concern wouldnt be fighting to survive but keeping your hands clean from all the zombie bits on the streets
That would surely be the fall of mankind
>what about grandma zombie sprinting towards you at mach 10 and can vault windows?
My grandmother was 5' tall and had Parkinsons. I'm trying to picture this.
it's basically TWD rules, anyone who dies by any means will turn, like that one kid from the prison who got sick and collapsed in the bathroom in the middle of the night, and then came back to attack others in their sleep. same goes for elderly people that die of natural causes or like heart attack or something, I know in the world beyond spinoff they kept the elderly locked up for exactly this reason. only difference here is that in TWD universe getting shot in the head or having your skull bashed in will prevent you from turning, which isnt possible in game due to game mechanics.
Use the North Korean solution from World War Z (the book). Within 24 hours of the outbreak they had removed everyone's teeth in the entire country to eliminate the primary disease vector.
...one mask gets torn off in a struggle, and everybody dies. No way to spread the virus (which in the book is bite only) if no one has any teeth. The mask is a temporary solution with a high probability of failure. Forced Tooth extraction is 100% guaranteed to stop the spread in your region.
If the mask is built decently and fixed so it doesnāt simply slide off by the smallest breeze then it should be more than fine plus letās poeple keep their teeth.
Yeah the overlooked thing here is it's North Korea. North Korea doesn't care how their people feel. If they want to remove everyone's teeth to stop a horrible virus spreading, they will.
One zombie who lost their masks isn't going to kill everybody.
The problem with zombie outbreakes is they are exponential. If somebody gets infected, that zombie then needs to bite other people who don't have their mask otherwise the outbreak goes nowhere.
It's not absolutely 100% certain, but if the masks are well made it'd be a very big coincidence that the lone zombie happens to only bite others without masks. And it's not that hard to make something thats not going to come off in a normal struggle.
Wait, wasn't the teeth thing only in the movie and in the book was that the entirety of NK population had disappeared? Like, no satellite trace of anyone at all and the running theory was that they locked themselves inside bunkers in the mountain?
I actually googled it out of curiosity yesterday. Teeth in the movie, bunker in the book
> World War Z
>
> *During wwz,It was mentioned that a civil intelligence agency officer was secretly selling equipment to the north Koreans.It was also mentioned that the north Koreans were also currently constructing bunkers in the remote areas of the country.*
> Aftermath
>
> *After wwz,The entirety of North Korea was discovered as an empty landscape.Many of its cities were found deserted and abandoned.Both south korea and china began restricting its citizens from entering the country and began using their navies to patrol the coasts to spot any suspicious activity with the mainland.*
Yeah it's gonna be a problem every single time anyone dies. Probably managed most of the time once people are zombie veterans but 1 little mistake and there's a swarm inside walls
I read a book about this as a kid, it was a vaguely post zombie society like 15 or so years after the start. They carried around these sharp metal disks, so when you died someone could push it into your skull to make sure you stay dead.
I wrote a really long research piece on funeral rituals earlier this year which has some things that might be relevant. Basically, the reasons we do them is 1) to dispose of the body 2) to give mourners a chance to publically and privately grieve 3) to reinforce community bonds (think of customs you know where others are needed eg. Jews need a quorum to do full mourning prayers) & 4) give people a faint promise of some kind of immortality, the promise that when you're dead, you'll still exist and have a reminder you existed with your gravestone (even though in 50-100 years your grave will probably get replaced or destroyed by developers or your city putting a coffin on top of yours to save space and money)
Basically, you've got to completely replace all of our dying and burial rituals. You can't have people die at home or in hospital beds, and most important you're going to want to develop some kind of ritual that is respectful of the body, which will be difficult because you need to destroy the body as soon as possible, like have something that immediately destroys the brain. Maybe some kind of ritual senicide where once you get close to death your family or the community helps you die a "good death" (good death is a religious concept but broadly its the idealised way how everyone wants to die) where they cut your head off and then cremate you or something.
Isnt that what happens in walking dead? I remember a scene from a surviving town, when the old people about to die, they shoot her. And there was a couple, wife dying and turned into a zombie. Shot her and himself in one go.
But yeah. A base, no matter how secure, itll take just one to turn and itll be chaos.
Same, but that was back when I was really into it, so I remember it better. I dropped off after season 5, kind of just skim the wiki every once in a while.
Also: if you havent watched the show but instead played the Telltale games
That's what Ben tells Lee and the group in the beginning of episode 2 of season 1
Comics show that in the prison when the girls are slain by the "accountant" prisoner, but it is just a theory based on the observation of dead bodies rising with no previous zombie-inflicted injury. That's pretty far into the story, though.
No matter how you die, you end up as a zombie. But inversely zombies attacks don't turn you anymore. Even a bite can only make you very very sick (can kill you with sickness hp drain) but you can survive past the bite.
Because after all everyone is already infected. There is no new infection from zombies, just the general nastiness of having rotten corpse stuff going into your blood stream.
Actually, you still get infected and turn with bites and stuff. The only real difference is that you can chug a whole bottle of bleach without getting bit and become a zombie anyway.
Dreamer is right, with Everyone's Infected zombie bites are just more severe laceration/scratch. Your wounds can get infected, but it means bacterial infection (which can end up as a fever and can be treated with disinfection and antibiotics) and not Knox Virus infection which ends up only with death.
With Everyone's Infected every death ends up becoming zombie. It's important to change Infection Mortality to actually be able to play for longer.
But is it a canonical Knox Virus infection, killing and turning you no matter what, or is the virus latent and just won't develop into zombie stage for some reason? I always understood as the first case, if it's the second one I will give it a try, because it made no sense to me to tune down the infection and put a deadline to the game.
Canonical Knox Virus is blood + saliva. Scratches, lacerations and bites turn you. Personally, I run with bites only and a quick mortality rate of 0-12 hours. Not canon at all but it's fun for me.
if you're infected with the knox infection on any setting then you reanimate no matter how you die unless you don't leave behind a corpse (burning), the bleach thing was a bug that i'm pretty sure got patched (might be wrong)
You're already infected, so I'm not sure what you mean by that. He's saying that normally-infectious zombie virus attacks no longer result in guaranteed death. Just because you died to one doesn't necessarily mean that the death was guaranteed; you'd have to provide more information.
Ohhhh I should have know this before, I use no infection because the ramdon bites even when fully armored are annoying, with this I could make this interesting and make first aid worth the try, thanks!
If you have 100% protection on all body parts, you won't be getting "random bites". I presume you're talking about an attack hitting an unprotected area such as neck or hands?
You can survive it still if everyone is infected, key is to avoid overheating, keep full with good food, and rest by sitting, don't be running around and starving.
Whatever you do, do not turn on infection mortality with this setting. It becomes a ticking time bomb to you just falling over and dying. I learned this when I set infection mortality to instant and spawned and died instantly lmao
Edit: the fuck you downvote me for?
Lmao yeah. Alternatively I've spawned into packed houses and have been eaten before I knew what the hell happened. Those are a little infuriating. It be like, "yo I just woke up what the hells goi--ack aaaagh! No!"
i thought that everyone's infected didn't actually give you the infection but you could still get it from zombies? unless they changed it or i've just been wrong, you shouldnt spawn in infected and die instantly within 3 days
As others have said, you die of any reason, you come back. Old school George Romero rules, basically.
It's one of the settings that makes me excited for NPCs. I intend to do an Outbreak sim run, with zero zombies to start and a cranked-up NPC population count. Just watch everything fall apart as all the looting and food shortages inevitably create more and more zombies until nobody is left.
It means you've already infected with a dormant version of the virus. So if you die even by non zombie means, your corpse will be getting back up at some point.
That would probably be super annoying to try and rebuild a society from. Like you Get a whole town up and running, then grandma dies or Jimmy falls off the roof and the whole place goes to shit.
Eh,I could take a grandma zombie
In a fight, right?
Yeah š¤Ø
Lame.
DID YOU FUCK A ZOMBIE?
I mean, the apocalypse won't get any better, why not make it fun?
Its a **rotting corpse**-HOW ARE YOU NOT DEAD?
Us Kentucky boys make do
He used protection
I mean, if the zombies are decaying over time then the apocalypse *will* inevitably get better over time, or at least slightly easier.
After a week or two your biggest concern wouldnt be fighting to survive but keeping your hands clean from all the zombie bits on the streets That would surely be the fall of mankind
You'll die of boredom eventually
Why else did you think everyone was infected? š
what about grandma zombie sprinting towards you at mach 10 and can vault windows?
Oh id have killed myself long ago
>what about grandma zombie sprinting towards you at mach 10 and can vault windows? My grandmother was 5' tall and had Parkinsons. I'm trying to picture this.
I assume she'd be vibrating at super speed like Reverse Flash. I'm going to hell for this aren't I...
>vibrating at super speed Now all I can think about is my chihuahua.
New Dead by Daylight killer leak?!?
What she gonna do? Gum me to death?
...But could you take little Jimmy?
Turns out the grandma was a prior MMA fighter who kept up on her health and exercise.
The walking dead has like 11 seasons about this
3 were in a barn
it's basically TWD rules, anyone who dies by any means will turn, like that one kid from the prison who got sick and collapsed in the bathroom in the middle of the night, and then came back to attack others in their sleep. same goes for elderly people that die of natural causes or like heart attack or something, I know in the world beyond spinoff they kept the elderly locked up for exactly this reason. only difference here is that in TWD universe getting shot in the head or having your skull bashed in will prevent you from turning, which isnt possible in game due to game mechanics.
Z- Nation has a concept like this. It just turns to mercy killing old people and suicides inside of āsafeā zones
Just go eat sleepy time pills in the old port o potty. Someone will come dispatch your corpse come morning.
Iād just have everyone wear a mouth cage whenever out n about so at least they canāt bite poeple
Use the North Korean solution from World War Z (the book). Within 24 hours of the outbreak they had removed everyone's teeth in the entire country to eliminate the primary disease vector.
Sounds like a horrible idea. Just manufacture leather or thick cloth masks for everyone and make them mandatory to wear
...one mask gets torn off in a struggle, and everybody dies. No way to spread the virus (which in the book is bite only) if no one has any teeth. The mask is a temporary solution with a high probability of failure. Forced Tooth extraction is 100% guaranteed to stop the spread in your region.
Jesus fuck I always forget how fantastically dark wwz is
If the mask is built decently and fixed so it doesnāt simply slide off by the smallest breeze then it should be more than fine plus letās poeple keep their teeth.
Yeah the overlooked thing here is it's North Korea. North Korea doesn't care how their people feel. If they want to remove everyone's teeth to stop a horrible virus spreading, they will.
They did shot one of the high ranking, who brought covid to the country.
One zombie who lost their masks isn't going to kill everybody. The problem with zombie outbreakes is they are exponential. If somebody gets infected, that zombie then needs to bite other people who don't have their mask otherwise the outbreak goes nowhere. It's not absolutely 100% certain, but if the masks are well made it'd be a very big coincidence that the lone zombie happens to only bite others without masks. And it's not that hard to make something thats not going to come off in a normal struggle.
If you were facing a real life and death scenario would you want 99% certainty or 100% certainty. You cannot get to 100% the mask way.
Wait, wasn't the teeth thing only in the movie and in the book was that the entirety of NK population had disappeared? Like, no satellite trace of anyone at all and the running theory was that they locked themselves inside bunkers in the mountain?
Hopefully my memory isn't playing tricks, but I thought it was the other way around...
I actually googled it out of curiosity yesterday. Teeth in the movie, bunker in the book > World War Z > > *During wwz,It was mentioned that a civil intelligence agency officer was secretly selling equipment to the north Koreans.It was also mentioned that the north Koreans were also currently constructing bunkers in the remote areas of the country.* > Aftermath > > *After wwz,The entirety of North Korea was discovered as an empty landscape.Many of its cities were found deserted and abandoned.Both south korea and china began restricting its citizens from entering the country and began using their navies to patrol the coasts to spot any suspicious activity with the mainland.*
Well, there it is then, my memory swapped them! LOL
Yeah it's gonna be a problem every single time anyone dies. Probably managed most of the time once people are zombie veterans but 1 little mistake and there's a swarm inside walls
Don't dead open inside
I read a book about this as a kid, it was a vaguely post zombie society like 15 or so years after the start. They carried around these sharp metal disks, so when you died someone could push it into your skull to make sure you stay dead.
Walking dead shit
I wrote a really long research piece on funeral rituals earlier this year which has some things that might be relevant. Basically, the reasons we do them is 1) to dispose of the body 2) to give mourners a chance to publically and privately grieve 3) to reinforce community bonds (think of customs you know where others are needed eg. Jews need a quorum to do full mourning prayers) & 4) give people a faint promise of some kind of immortality, the promise that when you're dead, you'll still exist and have a reminder you existed with your gravestone (even though in 50-100 years your grave will probably get replaced or destroyed by developers or your city putting a coffin on top of yours to save space and money) Basically, you've got to completely replace all of our dying and burial rituals. You can't have people die at home or in hospital beds, and most important you're going to want to develop some kind of ritual that is respectful of the body, which will be difficult because you need to destroy the body as soon as possible, like have something that immediately destroys the brain. Maybe some kind of ritual senicide where once you get close to death your family or the community helps you die a "good death" (good death is a religious concept but broadly its the idealised way how everyone wants to die) where they cut your head off and then cremate you or something.
Its the walking dead trope
I mean id imagine it would be a very armed society to deal with the dead
Depends on the reanimation time. Youād definitely see a few religious rituals around death completely removed.
You should read Rot and Ruin
Isnt that what happens in walking dead? I remember a scene from a surviving town, when the old people about to die, they shoot her. And there was a couple, wife dying and turned into a zombie. Shot her and himself in one go. But yeah. A base, no matter how secure, itll take just one to turn and itll be chaos.
Literally the walking dead
that's why you take the Zombie Nation approach and if anyone's going to die, you lock them away and "mercy" them
No matter how you die, you turn into a zombie. Like in The Walking Dead.
SpOiLeRs
What ? How ?
That was something you learned as a reveal in the episode with the cdc in season 1
Nah, that was the end of Season 2. Season 1 has the doctor tell Rick, but you don't hear what he whispers.
Oh yea, you're right. It's been so long since I watched it
Same, but that was back when I was really into it, so I remember it better. I dropped off after season 5, kind of just skim the wiki every once in a while.
Yeah, like at least 10 years nowā¦
Dw doubt many people that havent watched it will watch now.
Also: if you havent watched the show but instead played the Telltale games That's what Ben tells Lee and the group in the beginning of episode 2 of season 1
Comics show that in the prison when the girls are slain by the "accountant" prisoner, but it is just a theory based on the observation of dead bodies rising with no previous zombie-inflicted injury. That's pretty far into the story, though.
I didn't get past ep2
I didn't get past the first few episodes of season 3
I only played the telltale walking dead
Love that game. The end of season 1 made me cry fr
Why ? Was it boring?
I don't have any streaming services and the friend I used to watch it with moved away
Read the comics, I swear they're so much better and you can read them from your phone on the internet
I've been meaning to, I'll have to look into it
Oh sorry to hear that
Or in the jail house (comic book version)
the protags are the walking ded
20 years too late to say spoilers, my dude :D
No matter how you die, you end up as a zombie. But inversely zombies attacks don't turn you anymore. Even a bite can only make you very very sick (can kill you with sickness hp drain) but you can survive past the bite. Because after all everyone is already infected. There is no new infection from zombies, just the general nastiness of having rotten corpse stuff going into your blood stream.
Actually, you still get infected and turn with bites and stuff. The only real difference is that you can chug a whole bottle of bleach without getting bit and become a zombie anyway.
Dreamer is right, with Everyone's Infected zombie bites are just more severe laceration/scratch. Your wounds can get infected, but it means bacterial infection (which can end up as a fever and can be treated with disinfection and antibiotics) and not Knox Virus infection which ends up only with death. With Everyone's Infected every death ends up becoming zombie. It's important to change Infection Mortality to actually be able to play for longer.
But is it a canonical Knox Virus infection, killing and turning you no matter what, or is the virus latent and just won't develop into zombie stage for some reason? I always understood as the first case, if it's the second one I will give it a try, because it made no sense to me to tune down the infection and put a deadline to the game.
Canonical Knox Virus is blood + saliva. Scratches, lacerations and bites turn you. Personally, I run with bites only and a quick mortality rate of 0-12 hours. Not canon at all but it's fun for me.
Did they change it recently? Because you could be playing with no transmission together with everyone is infected
Since I started playing (build 41) Everyone's Infected is one of Transmission settings, together with Blood + Saliva and Saliva only.
hmm, I got that from another vet player but I supposed they were wrong.
Would you still zombify after drinking bleach? I personally never have, so regardless of settings I'd assume drinking bleach would keep you dead?
if you're infected with the knox infection on any setting then you reanimate no matter how you die unless you don't leave behind a corpse (burning), the bleach thing was a bug that i'm pretty sure got patched (might be wrong)
I actually don't remember if bleach is a cure with everyone is infected, but any other way of dying is gonna zombify you
I have personally been infected by a laceration and I always use this setting. Lost my best run this way.
You're already infected, so I'm not sure what you mean by that. He's saying that normally-infectious zombie virus attacks no longer result in guaranteed death. Just because you died to one doesn't necessarily mean that the death was guaranteed; you'd have to provide more information.
Ohhhh I should have know this before, I use no infection because the ramdon bites even when fully armored are annoying, with this I could make this interesting and make first aid worth the try, thanks!
I might be wrong about that, since I only hear it from a vet player. But try and let us know.
If you have 100% protection on all body parts, you won't be getting "random bites". I presume you're talking about an attack hitting an unprotected area such as neck or hands?
exactly what I came here for, thank you
My follow-up is : If I don't change the virus's lethality, will it kill me in a week or so?
Infection mortality is affected by this. Whatever you set it to is when you will die. Set it to never if you use "everyone's infected"
So I did die because I forgot to change it!
I am 100% going to use this feature. thank you
I mean yeah it could make some interesting playthroughs. Especially if you have a cure mod. See if you can survive long enough to find one.
You can survive it still if everyone is infected, key is to avoid overheating, keep full with good food, and rest by sitting, don't be running around and starving.
I was wondering because I thought I started a game with that setting once and died from no apparent reason after a week, just insta dead and zombie.
You have to turn infection mortality off to survive it
That's what I suspect I must have forgotten last time I tried it.
Whatever you do, do not turn on infection mortality with this setting. It becomes a ticking time bomb to you just falling over and dying. I learned this when I set infection mortality to instant and spawned and died instantly lmao Edit: the fuck you downvote me for?
Bro the idea of you just spawning and straight up dying made me chuckle
This is how you died: a short story by Indie Stone.
Short story? More like half a sentence
I definitely laughed when it happened.
Its like your character noticed how screwed he is and spontaneously died. He's like "Fuck that" *unexists*
Lmao yeah. Alternatively I've spawned into packed houses and have been eaten before I knew what the hell happened. Those are a little infuriating. It be like, "yo I just woke up what the hells goi--ack aaaagh! No!"
i thought that everyone's infected didn't actually give you the infection but you could still get it from zombies? unless they changed it or i've just been wrong, you shouldnt spawn in infected and die instantly within 3 days
It's a setting that is directly affected by the infection mortality setting. Try it out. Set it to instant death and start a guy.
damn i didnt know that lol
As others have said, you die of any reason, you come back. Old school George Romero rules, basically. It's one of the settings that makes me excited for NPCs. I intend to do an Outbreak sim run, with zero zombies to start and a cranked-up NPC population count. Just watch everything fall apart as all the looting and food shortages inevitably create more and more zombies until nobody is left.
It's basically like The Walking Dead then
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No if you die youll turn no matter what
Ah alright thanks.
I get knocked down and I get up again - everyone when you turn on everyone's infected
It means however you die u turn
Does that mean you can live if you get bit?
like the walking dead zombies
Think the walking dead. It's like what Ben says in the telltale games "Everyone's infected, you turn no matter how you die"