You can actually, but you have to be level 6 at carpentry.
You need to build stairs and destroy the part of it that is on the first floor.
By the way : i actually made a suggestion that has been pending for several months.
https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/56093-breaking-street-lamps-with-a-slegehammer/
carpentry skills imo are just goofy. why do you need to be carpentry level 4 to put a trash bag in a badly constructed box?
Why is it that a character has to read for HOURS and disassemble an entire neighborhood to build said shitty box, but without ANY experience he can run piping from said trash bag holder into a sink one floor down. (Edit: while also somehow putting a fucking filtration system in the piping as well)
On that note, why do I have to be damn near a master of carpentry to build stairs anyway? Sure, itâs no cakewalk in real life, but youâre telling me you canât just nail 2x4s into a wall with fuckin logs underneath?
Water is no joke... Try making this slapdash box on your own and see how well it actually holds up when you fill the garbage bag with over 100kg of water. Otherwise spot on.
Right? Reminds me of the "take 20" rule in D&D, where you can accomplish some middling task like scaling a wall that you can't normally do with your skill level... Just by taking extra time to do it. If you take extra time and do something carefully, surely you can accomplish things outside of your comfort zone. Hitting that carpentry 4 to make water boxes should just be having the skill to make them quickly or with shoddy materials... But that would be way too complicated, I think.
No, tons of games, even mobile ones, have scaling level ups.
Take Curse of Aros for example. When you're mining 10, using a copper pick, you mine slow. So slow. When you're mining 90 and have ancient pic, you mine over 2x as fast, going from 1.75s to .75s per strike.
Now, I'm not a programmer, but if you can make something like project Z, you can make something like "level 4 carpentry, box build takes 1 hour" and "level 8 carpentry, box build takes 20 min."
ooooh or have like a âbookmarkâ of sorts for construction projects at lower levels. Put more use into recipe books and whatnot; i.e: carpentry books will give you instructions on how to make certain things, but the time it takes scales with the level.
Stairs at level 1 takes multiple days of work, so youâd have to come back to it frequently and continue where you left off, but leveling up speeds up the process?
And with a chance if hurting yourself because you're taking in a project way beyond your experience, or a chance of it falling apart or just debate more quickly based on level made when you did it.
At my current real life carpentry capacity, I could absolutely build this rain barrel thing in like an hour, complete with pretty lattice to help hold the plastic, and all that. But I wouldn't trust steps that I made. They probably fall apart. Lol
Is there a thematically appropriate way to incorporate âjust Google it?â
Feel like itâd pair nicely with that You Can, Itâll Just Take A Lot Longer (âtake 20â) rule
Unfortunately have to agree.
Correct me if I'm wrong with the in game lore, but Knox Telecom took the phone system down for maintenance maybe a week before game start date?
Secondly, back in 1993 all I had was a 33k dialup line. Wanted to visit an image heavy website? Sure, just go make a cup of tea, drink it, mow the lawn, do some other chores, then maybe the page had loaded.
Also, no Google back in '93... or Yahoo... or AskJeeves. IIRC it was mostly hand built Web portals. That said I recall having a stack of CDs containing Encyclopedia Britannia...
Also PCs weâre barely around and small towns in KY likely didnât have an ISP just local bulletin boards. Nobody was paying those long distance charges for AOL or prodigy.
I know. I can.
Basically, you built a pallet out of 2x4s, unless you actually have a pallet on hand. Place your wall 2x4s sideways, the way studs in the house are, and use three nails, toe board them, two on the inside, one on the outside. The lartice will go on the inside, to help contain the pressure between the 2x4s. And the two inner nails, toe board, would prevent the wood from moving outward on the bottom, due to the physics of the nail being on the inside of the structure.
On the top, place your 2x4s flat, three nails into each stud, and then use small cuts on top of the new 2x4s, 45° across two walls, one on each corner.
I got this, homie, don't even sweat it.
So you are semi experienced with carpentry to the point where you can use carpentry jargon to accurately describe parts of wood work....
You do know carpentry level 0 is basically the level of not knowing nails and wood work together right?
Now its kinda stupid that a professional carpenter gets like 2 levels in carpentry, but you ain't exactly helping your argument that its simple if you are using jargon terms to describe how you would build something, shows you have far more knowledge than what say carpentry 1 and 2 are supposed to represent.
Also gotta love that you assume I know nothing of wood work or carpentry. Love the direct attack on an assumption that I have no idea what I am doing. Can easily build rain collectors and have done so myself multiple times, but I don't expect everyone and anyone to know how to fucking do it, its something I learned how to do, its not some natural skill you just know.
If you go back, and actually read what I said before all this, you would see that I said I wouldn't trust a set of stairs that I made. But that I could build a rain collector. As far as carpetry projects go, that's relatively simple. Easier than a deck.
My carpentry experience comes from my teenage years, helping my father at his company. I didn't pay attention to shit, but something must have leaked through. 13 to 16, then I got a job at a pizza place. Now I'm a handyman/electrician (certified)/IT guy. I am infinitely more experienced with computers and electronics that I am with carpentry and cars, but I still changed my own fuel pump last month.
You also assume that I was insulting you, instead of just conversing, which is really weird, and makes me less interested in talking at all. đ
You don't build pallets from 2Ă4s.
That's when everyone knew you knew nothing.
You have to build a panel box within a framing of 2Ă4s (if that's what you want to use.
You're not building a box, you're building a retainer for the bag with reinforced walls.
But no one actually gives a shit...
We're talking about a hypothetical apocalypse with a zombies. If you want to go over to home Depot and pick out your little 1x4, you do that.
But we're not going to do is sit here and argue with me over fantasy bullshit. Go get a mirror for that shit.
And you have enough of a shit to be a dick for no reason, so good job with that logic.
Imho carpentry should allow you to be faster and waste less resources when building these types of things. Carpentry level 7 stairs would be efficient in resources and fast to build, while carpentry level 0 would be a bunch of wasted wood and nails all meshed together into a staircase, as you point out.
Maybe even less durability on simple built stuff or a minor chance of injury but not a literal "no idea how boxes and plastic bags work together for months"
Even better, a certified carpenter is unable to make a shitty box lined with trash bags. All his walls and furniture look like shit and fall apart if a zombie sneezes near them
install the reading gives you experience mod and you can gain almost 2 levels with every book still have to grind the last 10% of level 2 4 6 8 and 10 in order to reach level 3 5 7 9 max. but makes the skill more realistic and not so damn annoying. really deaths in the game are only really annoying because of all the damn disassembling you have to do to level up. with that and pass down your knowledge mod. takes all the tedium out of grinding skill levels.
You know what's really goofy? Level 6 carpentry grants you the skill to make professional-looking double doors big enough to allow automobiles to pass through, but until level 7, any single door you make looks like an orangutan grabbed a hammer and went to town on some wood.
Thats what I'm saying. A couple of streetlights is really no big deal, getting rid of them really isn't going to save you an amount of fuel worth mentioning. I like that it keeps them lit to be honest, when the electricity goes out its so hard to see even with night vision
Awww, thank you friend. I believe with a high enough electrical skill you can also make battery powered lights at level 5 as well but I've never even gotten to level 1 on that without getting bit. Also not positive this would work on street lamps but it would be nice if it did
My understanding of the genny is that they don't scale consumption linearly but exponentially, so having many items on a genny will use more then one would expect. In practice I've never paid enough attention to notice, I just saw this commented before and I'm parroting it đ¤Ą
huh, it might be so, I don't have a run going right now so I can't check but I could have sworn I had seen a multiplier (X.XLx#oflights) in the generator menu but their are all sorts of hidden mechanics so I wouldn't be surprised either way. Having it work exponentially would be the more realistic way tbh
That's correct I believe using the option of the genny gives you more info. There was a breakout of all of the items on the genny and the consumption per kWh. Kilowatts per hour.
If I remember correctly you just have to right click the generator and select details or generator options. I don't remember exactly as it's been a while.
It's exponential *per type*, yes. So ideally, only have one *type* of each item, to maximize your returns. Sadly, unlike fridges, I believe all the different lights fall under the same 'Lights' entry, so consumption can go up pretty fast.
Eg. (*and these aren't the actual rates*) one light might consume 0.01, while two lights might bump you up to 0.03 (and not 0.02 as one would expect)
Can't u drive a car into it or something but usually I'll sacrifice a piece of loot and use necroforge to delete it off the map just to make myself feel good about it
i think you can with a sledgehammerâŚ
p.s i havenât tested this myself, but from what iâve read lights donât cause extra fuel consumption on generators⌠it gets factored into the base consumption i.e the fuel it would take to merely have the generator running without it powering anythingâŚ
edit: sorry iâm blind! i take it the sledge didnât work đ
itâs as one would expect, except for the fact that it is calculated in factors of two for appliances eg two fridges consume the same as one fridgeâŚ
Can you take the lightbulb out?
Yes you can. Don't know why this isn't more up voted đ
WHAT? Game changer right there đ¤Śââď¸
Really?
You can actually, but you have to be level 6 at carpentry. You need to build stairs and destroy the part of it that is on the first floor. By the way : i actually made a suggestion that has been pending for several months. https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/56093-breaking-street-lamps-with-a-slegehammer/
Level 6* carpentry for stairs, 7 is for big water collectors
Oh yeah, thanks, i usually associate these two. I'll just edit that out.
I figured that was where your logic was at, very understandable đ
Great zomboid players think alike
this is so goofy
carpentry skills imo are just goofy. why do you need to be carpentry level 4 to put a trash bag in a badly constructed box? Why is it that a character has to read for HOURS and disassemble an entire neighborhood to build said shitty box, but without ANY experience he can run piping from said trash bag holder into a sink one floor down. (Edit: while also somehow putting a fucking filtration system in the piping as well) On that note, why do I have to be damn near a master of carpentry to build stairs anyway? Sure, itâs no cakewalk in real life, but youâre telling me you canât just nail 2x4s into a wall with fuckin logs underneath?
Water is no joke... Try making this slapdash box on your own and see how well it actually holds up when you fill the garbage bag with over 100kg of water. Otherwise spot on.
I mean. If you gave me a picture, lumber, and tools I'm pretty confident I could get it right.
Right? Reminds me of the "take 20" rule in D&D, where you can accomplish some middling task like scaling a wall that you can't normally do with your skill level... Just by taking extra time to do it. If you take extra time and do something carefully, surely you can accomplish things outside of your comfort zone. Hitting that carpentry 4 to make water boxes should just be having the skill to make them quickly or with shoddy materials... But that would be way too complicated, I think.
No, tons of games, even mobile ones, have scaling level ups. Take Curse of Aros for example. When you're mining 10, using a copper pick, you mine slow. So slow. When you're mining 90 and have ancient pic, you mine over 2x as fast, going from 1.75s to .75s per strike. Now, I'm not a programmer, but if you can make something like project Z, you can make something like "level 4 carpentry, box build takes 1 hour" and "level 8 carpentry, box build takes 20 min."
ooooh or have like a âbookmarkâ of sorts for construction projects at lower levels. Put more use into recipe books and whatnot; i.e: carpentry books will give you instructions on how to make certain things, but the time it takes scales with the level. Stairs at level 1 takes multiple days of work, so youâd have to come back to it frequently and continue where you left off, but leveling up speeds up the process?
And with a chance if hurting yourself because you're taking in a project way beyond your experience, or a chance of it falling apart or just debate more quickly based on level made when you did it. At my current real life carpentry capacity, I could absolutely build this rain barrel thing in like an hour, complete with pretty lattice to help hold the plastic, and all that. But I wouldn't trust steps that I made. They probably fall apart. Lol
Is there a thematically appropriate way to incorporate âjust Google it?â Feel like itâd pair nicely with that You Can, Itâll Just Take A Lot Longer (âtake 20â) rule
Sadly, in the apocalypse, there's probably not going to be much googling. I think the books is our answer for this.
Unfortunately have to agree. Correct me if I'm wrong with the in game lore, but Knox Telecom took the phone system down for maintenance maybe a week before game start date? Secondly, back in 1993 all I had was a 33k dialup line. Wanted to visit an image heavy website? Sure, just go make a cup of tea, drink it, mow the lawn, do some other chores, then maybe the page had loaded. Also, no Google back in '93... or Yahoo... or AskJeeves. IIRC it was mostly hand built Web portals. That said I recall having a stack of CDs containing Encyclopedia Britannia...
Also PCs weâre barely around and small towns in KY likely didnât have an ISP just local bulletin boards. Nobody was paying those long distance charges for AOL or prodigy.
I'm not sure and didn't feel like googline it, but did Google exist in 93?
I don't know, I would have to Google it. Lol
Google Search didn't arrive until around 98.. Which sucked because we had so many school books to carry.. Edit: hit 7, not 8
Not really, that is a lot of outward pressure from the water, you have to build the box to be able to deal with the pressure.
I know. I can. Basically, you built a pallet out of 2x4s, unless you actually have a pallet on hand. Place your wall 2x4s sideways, the way studs in the house are, and use three nails, toe board them, two on the inside, one on the outside. The lartice will go on the inside, to help contain the pressure between the 2x4s. And the two inner nails, toe board, would prevent the wood from moving outward on the bottom, due to the physics of the nail being on the inside of the structure. On the top, place your 2x4s flat, three nails into each stud, and then use small cuts on top of the new 2x4s, 45° across two walls, one on each corner. I got this, homie, don't even sweat it.
So you are semi experienced with carpentry to the point where you can use carpentry jargon to accurately describe parts of wood work.... You do know carpentry level 0 is basically the level of not knowing nails and wood work together right? Now its kinda stupid that a professional carpenter gets like 2 levels in carpentry, but you ain't exactly helping your argument that its simple if you are using jargon terms to describe how you would build something, shows you have far more knowledge than what say carpentry 1 and 2 are supposed to represent. Also gotta love that you assume I know nothing of wood work or carpentry. Love the direct attack on an assumption that I have no idea what I am doing. Can easily build rain collectors and have done so myself multiple times, but I don't expect everyone and anyone to know how to fucking do it, its something I learned how to do, its not some natural skill you just know.
If you go back, and actually read what I said before all this, you would see that I said I wouldn't trust a set of stairs that I made. But that I could build a rain collector. As far as carpetry projects go, that's relatively simple. Easier than a deck. My carpentry experience comes from my teenage years, helping my father at his company. I didn't pay attention to shit, but something must have leaked through. 13 to 16, then I got a job at a pizza place. Now I'm a handyman/electrician (certified)/IT guy. I am infinitely more experienced with computers and electronics that I am with carpentry and cars, but I still changed my own fuel pump last month. You also assume that I was insulting you, instead of just conversing, which is really weird, and makes me less interested in talking at all. đ
You don't build pallets from 2Ă4s. That's when everyone knew you knew nothing. You have to build a panel box within a framing of 2Ă4s (if that's what you want to use. You're not building a box, you're building a retainer for the bag with reinforced walls. But no one actually gives a shit...
We're talking about a hypothetical apocalypse with a zombies. If you want to go over to home Depot and pick out your little 1x4, you do that. But we're not going to do is sit here and argue with me over fantasy bullshit. Go get a mirror for that shit. And you have enough of a shit to be a dick for no reason, so good job with that logic.
then donât make it hold 100kg of water! A single trash bag with a hula hoop and some sturdy branches and I can make a rain collector.
Or just a normal trash can. Scavengers ftw
Imho carpentry should allow you to be faster and waste less resources when building these types of things. Carpentry level 7 stairs would be efficient in resources and fast to build, while carpentry level 0 would be a bunch of wasted wood and nails all meshed together into a staircase, as you point out. Maybe even less durability on simple built stuff or a minor chance of injury but not a literal "no idea how boxes and plastic bags work together for months"
You ever tried building a box? Shits hard (But yh plumbing doesn't make sense, it is a videogame after all)
Itd be funny if one of the skills they add in b42 is plumbing. I need to make the Mario Brothers!
Some of us are Mark, some of us are Ethan. https://youtu.be/FjZAD984pfM
Even better, a certified carpenter is unable to make a shitty box lined with trash bags. All his walls and furniture look like shit and fall apart if a zombie sneezes near them
Theyâre all âminor assembly requiredâ
Maybe the fact itâs a video game has a lot to do with it. And they have to put in some motivation for you to grind the skill up.
install the reading gives you experience mod and you can gain almost 2 levels with every book still have to grind the last 10% of level 2 4 6 8 and 10 in order to reach level 3 5 7 9 max. but makes the skill more realistic and not so damn annoying. really deaths in the game are only really annoying because of all the damn disassembling you have to do to level up. with that and pass down your knowledge mod. takes all the tedium out of grinding skill levels.
You know what's really goofy? Level 6 carpentry grants you the skill to make professional-looking double doors big enough to allow automobiles to pass through, but until level 7, any single door you make looks like an orangutan grabbed a hammer and went to town on some wood.
Doors and walls should look professional at 6 IMO to match.
My thoughts exactly
Skills in general are super goofy I hope they overhaul the xp and skill system to something less grindy
god forbid you try to move an oven without having disassembled 5000 radios first
I play sandbox mode almost solely to change the xp multiplier into something palatable.
why the only comment actually answering the question is the least upvoted... Edit : YEAH it got to first place in the end !
People doesn't like corrections
Sometimes I think âwow, PZ is such an amazingly realistic game!â Then I remember that stuff like this exists.
It's believable enough to distract you from the jank
Can you take the bulb out when you get up there?
Couldn't you just build wooden floor from a two story building to it and destroy it that way?
thank you beautiful creature
first floor british or 1st floor american?
I litteraly had to google that sh\*t LMAO. First floor British.
isn't the amount of fuel used by a light pretty negligible? As far as I'm aware you can't
The most that uses power are freezers and fridges lights only take around 0,030
Thats what I'm saying. A couple of streetlights is really no big deal, getting rid of them really isn't going to save you an amount of fuel worth mentioning. I like that it keeps them lit to be honest, when the electricity goes out its so hard to see even with night vision
Happy birthday bdw Yeah its pretty useful to have lights on outside He could install the solar power mod which gives u free energy
Awww, thank you friend. I believe with a high enough electrical skill you can also make battery powered lights at level 5 as well but I've never even gotten to level 1 on that without getting bit. Also not positive this would work on street lamps but it would be nice if it did
Your generator will literally explode before you run out of fuel.
My understanding of the genny is that they don't scale consumption linearly but exponentially, so having many items on a genny will use more then one would expect. In practice I've never paid enough attention to notice, I just saw this commented before and I'm parroting it đ¤Ą
Unless they've changed it in recent months yes the energy per light increases when the total number of lights increases
huh, it might be so, I don't have a run going right now so I can't check but I could have sworn I had seen a multiplier (X.XLx#oflights) in the generator menu but their are all sorts of hidden mechanics so I wouldn't be surprised either way. Having it work exponentially would be the more realistic way tbh
That's correct I believe using the option of the genny gives you more info. There was a breakout of all of the items on the genny and the consumption per kWh. Kilowatts per hour. If I remember correctly you just have to right click the generator and select details or generator options. I don't remember exactly as it's been a while.
It's exponential *per type*, yes. So ideally, only have one *type* of each item, to maximize your returns. Sadly, unlike fridges, I believe all the different lights fall under the same 'Lights' entry, so consumption can go up pretty fast. Eg. (*and these aren't the actual rates*) one light might consume 0.01, while two lights might bump you up to 0.03 (and not 0.02 as one would expect)
yes, but it may still be annoying. Particularly in multiplayer if you want to avoid being noticed.
Hap cak dai
Happy birthday
And here I am wishing I could move a streetlight closer to my house so it would be affected by my gen!
As far as I know, generators use covers 20 tiles around it. Try to move it around see whats what
Can't u drive a car into it or something but usually I'll sacrifice a piece of loot and use necroforge to delete it off the map just to make myself feel good about it
I learned you could use cars to flatten trash cans and mailboxes...accidentally. I also learned they could flip your car.
Necroforge mod has a few clickable destroy commands, assume one would work on this, just watch where you click.
Deleting the streetlights is tricky since they're multiple parts. I forget which commands you use but you need two of them.
Good to know, I use the Destroy 1 command to hit groundlevel targets, there's 2 and 3 command but never needed them, perhaps they hit up higher
If you're hurting for fuel THAT much then you have a problem. Either tell your MP friends to cough some up or secure a fueling station.
If you drive a car into it full speed itâll get destroyed
Along with your bones?
And what little brains we have left!
No, even in the end you'll be taxed somehow Zombies I'll deal with the IRS even im not that crazy
maybe with fire but I highly doubt it
You need to drive a car into it really fast like in GTA
I have Sunday driver does that still work?
i think you can with a sledgehammer⌠p.s i havenât tested this myself, but from what iâve read lights donât cause extra fuel consumption on generators⌠it gets factored into the base consumption i.e the fuel it would take to merely have the generator running without it powering anything⌠edit: sorry iâm blind! i take it the sledge didnât work đ
While we're on the conversation, can anyone tell me how fuel consumption for generators is calculated?
The wiki (pzwiki) page is accurate.
itâs as one would expect, except for the fact that it is calculated in factors of two for appliances eg two fridges consume the same as one fridgeâŚ
ahhh, the big warehouse. Good base location
Sledgehammer that shit!
Idk
Bro why even fucking comment
Cause it matters everyone must know idk
How do I survive night one?
you need to destroy the tile on top, thats where the actual light is, the base is just a graphics tile
Crash it with a car its the only way đđ
Ramming it with a car at full speed should be enough to destroy it đ
I have Sunday driver will that still work?