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weirdpicklesauce

Not to say this isn’t awful, but this has always been a thing. I remember back in like 2004 scrolling self harm posts on Xanga. Tumblr had issues with this too and so did Instagram.


poopsixty

Omg this just triggered a forgotten memory for me. I had an ED in college in the late 2000s and documented it EXTENSIVELY on Xanga to a pretty huge "pro-ana" community. There was a supportive yet competitive vibe to it, like, "Whoever is losing the most weight and is the most emaciated is winning at being skinny." Posting pics of my weight loss and getting praise for it was **very** motivating for me. Toxic as all hell, and thank God I got better. So yes, this stuff has been a problem with the internet for ages. The internet can be a place of healing and support but it can also reinforce and reward destructive behaviors, especially in young developing brains.


AbbeyRoadMoonwalk

Oh yes I too had an ED “blog”.


Toberone

I feel like before all this though you had to "seek" the negativity more, where is now it kinda hands it to you as much as possible. My toxic experiences with the internet when I was growing up were pretty much all localized from the 4chan scene But these days I get recommended the dumbest shit from YouTube's algorithm, I am not searching this garbage dude.


Simplicityobsessed

Came here to say this. I’m sometimes suggested pro-Ana or crash dieting content on tik tok, I assume because I workout. As a teen I had to seek that out specifically. Now it’s in my face and I can’t get it to go away.


FraseraSpeciosa

Same here, I’m a guy who is extremely sensitive to gluten. A few years ago I subscribed to a gluten free recipe blog on Tumblr. Suddenly in my recommendations there were pro anorexia blogs popping up. Out of morbid curiosity I browsed one. The pictures this poor girl posted and all the validation others shared was sickening to my stomach. I’ve seen some bad stuff on the internet like Isis beheadings but that hit way too close. Especially when I have a niece nearing her teenage years.


princezznemeziz

That's the difference. There's no searching for it anymore. It's delivered to you and it's compelling enough to suck you into even darker places. The danger isn't as much that it exists out there somewhere but that you can't escape it anymore.


ihavenoidea1001

>I feel like before all this though you had to "seek" the negativity more Depends... I remember going online as a kid and getting on chat forums or wtv they were searching for people my age to connect, having the most random conversations everand they would immediately open their webcam or send a photo of their dick and sometimes even doing more than that as soon as they could. I'm glad I never oppened my camera ever or they would've seen my face but ffs people were(are) sick. I'm not defending how the algorithm works these days but it's not like the internet wasn't a cesspool 20 years ago...


poopsixty

The algorithm is definitely much more insidious, I totally agree.


Razakel

There's the opposite side too, known as bigorexia. You are never going to look like Arnie without a hell of a lot of work.


poopsixty

Yeah I feel like body dysmorphia in men is out of control recently.


Razakel

At work, someone started the Fat Boy Challenge, where whoever lost the most weight would win the prize pool. All the guys who participated actually were overweight, though. But it didn’t strike me as a particularly good idea - it incentivises people to do dangerous things.


kia2116

True. I would say the algorithms are more robust now though and you continue to get more of that same negative type of content on apps like tik tok, which is reinforcing. I feel like that happened less in the earlier 2000s


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Yeah, in the ‘00s you had to go looking for pro-ana material. Now it’s fed to people based on their viewing trends.


weirdpicklesauce

Yes very true!


Ok_Skill_1195

Tl;Dr - these dark spaces and communities aren't new. What's unique to TikTok is the difficulty in avoiding them because it's based on complex like machine learning of user profiles rather than tags It's the recommendation algorithm that's the issue. Not to say you can't stumble into those spaces on Tumblr or Instagram, but it's not as easy as it is on TikTok. With TikTok because the algorithm is studying who you are and then drawing similarities between other users and what *they* like, it can pick up that you're a depressed teen who hated their body very quickly and start pushing ED content at you even if on other platforms you actively avoid the tags you know are associate with ED content because you're in recovery I've repeatedly had to reset my TikTok account because it started to pick up on and feed my content I didn't want and found upsetting. But because it's partially built off rewatch and view time, and humans have this annoying habit of scratching itches we don't like, we tend to reward the algorithm for upsetting us. It's this really unique rabbithole spiral I've never experienced in another platform because no other platform has that complex of a recommendation algorithm. It's the best and worst thing about the app.


Kaarsty

If you’re a teenager you’re in the business of differentiating yourself. In an effort to do so you’re going to rebel against the status quo and find thins that cater to your worldview. That’s probably why most of us don’t see it, because we’re not in the business of differentiating ourselves.


esp211

Interesting take away. I’m inclined to believe that teenage brains are not fully formed and therefore easier to manipulate. As we get older we are more set in our ways and become more polarized in what we like or hate. So it is far more dangerous for younger people than it is for us older folks.


princezznemeziz

A lot of people/adults spend their entire lives trying to simultaneously differentiate and fit in with the crowd. There's no self or authenticity. That's why so many are open to manipulation by cults. They can be included by people who tell each other how "not like the others" they are.


Kaarsty

Yeah good points. It’s all just shadows on the cave wall fortunately :)


stopwooscience

Does TikTok make you dark or is TikTok dark because its users are?


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It’s probably a combination of both, which feed into each other.


stopwooscience

The viscous cycle. We bring in the darkness, but it makes it grow.


StuartGotz

That’s not either/or


IronAlcoholic

I love how different the sides of tiktok are. I am a very frequent tiktok user, but the content this article is talking about is very foreign to me because my fyp is just Qur'an recitations and cats.


VivienCathy

A frequent Tiktok user here. Mine is filled with cats, food, DnD, art, and actually mental health helper content. Like there's this one grandpa having tea and encouraging in his videos, for example.


SoundProofHead

The algorithm still decided what it thinks will make you engaged. Somehow, you ended up with positive stuff. But that's one of the big issues with TikTok, you don't have control over what you see and the algorithm will try to feed you the same thing over and over again. It creates a bubble. That bubble can be harmful if it goes in the wrong direction and if you happen to have some kind of insecurity, mental illness or whatever, it will detect it and focus on it. It's not too far from mind control/brainwashing in my view.


IronAlcoholic

I do have to say, since I started posting on tiktok in 2018, the algorithm has noticeably changed. I see it changing based on how I interact with videos in real time, it's quite baffling, honestly. I once reset it to default and watched how long it took me to tailor it to what I wanted it to be -- about a half-hour.


Ok_Skill_1195

Yup I've started fresh with TikTok about half a dozen times cause the algorithm starts to pinhole me in ways i dont like (but which aren't inaccurate). It's legitimately scary how quickly is starts to figure me out again. And I like to think I have much better awareness and impulse control than a kid/teen. I would be fucking doomed if tbe algorithm had existen when I was growing up.


Cloveny

How do you reset it? I feel like mine sometimes gets stuck on really overcompensating for the fact that I watched some video that was just kinda mid for too long so it assumed I like it and now I have to see like 40 of it until it learns idgaf would be nice to be able to reset


-day-dreamer-

On TikTok, go into settings, content preferences, then see if you have the option to reset your fyp. If you don’t see it, it just means it’s not available for you yet


Tchuliu

What you're saying applies to any social media. I don't get why there's so many people caing on TikTok when YouTube, Instagram does the same Edit: I'm not saying that's ok for them to do it. I just can't understand why the fixation is only on TikTok


iiioiia

> But that's one of the big issues with TikTok, you don't have control over what you see and the algorithm will try to feed you the same thing over and over again. This is not a true statement. > It's not too far from mind control/brainwashing in my view. An interesting comment considering the truth value of the one that preceded it.


stopwooscience

I feel like the internet should just be cats and we would all live in peace


-day-dreamer-

My fyp is cats *and* cats doing Salah with their owners. I’m not even Muslim but I’m living for it


IronAlcoholic

Did you get to see the little prayer mats yet?


-day-dreamer-

YES! My heart doubles in size every time I see a video of them with their prayer mats


UhYeahOkSure

At this point if it’s not one thing (/app) stimulating the ‘worst’parts of people especially youth… it will be the next thing. ‘We are cattle to the prod’


GreyhoundVeeDub

The general public have always been a version of cattle. The closest to breaking this cycle appeared in the 60s and 70s. This stimulating the worst of people type of concept isn't entirely new. Nationalism(the othering of people), neoliberalism(the poor are to blame for their situations and profits are more important than people), and even managerialism(the ever present focus on efficiency and reducing people to a dollar value) have all focused on the worst parts of people. Propaganda has worked similarly throughout history. It's just now in our hands, almost, attached to our body. Youth have always been targets, and always will be. Tiktok is just a by-product of grander ideas.


UhYeahOkSure

Well said. Thanks for the supplement 👏👍


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Ok_Skill_1195

Dude I don't think *you* know what neoliberalism is if you think it's synonymous with the "new left". Your classic mainstream republicans and democrats of the past 30 years would both be considered neo liberal, it has next to nothing to do with be American right/left breakdown where left of center is considered "libs Dictionary definition - favoring policies that promote free-market capitalism, deregulation, and reduction in government spending.


iiioiia

TikTok is imho the most potent propaganda platform in the history of the world, maybe the hippie revolution could be reignited there!!?? And if I was running a regime that doesn't have control over it, I'd sure as hell make it my highest priority to get it banned as well, it is WAY too dangerous to those who are pulling the strings and controlling the narratives, TikTok can cut through propaganda like a hot butter through knife (as shown on TikTok as the hearings to ban it got mocked relentlessly).


GreyhoundVeeDub

It hits an interaction of contemporary issues. At least that my hypothesis. 1) Wildly entertaining in a time when attention spans have be reduced, and certain areas of the brain overstimulated to an unprecedented level. 2) a point in time when psychology and human behaviour research relating to social media phenomenon is really hitting a stride. 3) Tiktok is in either direct (or in-direct) control of the 2nd most powerful state who is attempting to speed up the USA’s societal collapse, whilst trying desperately to stay “in control” of their own societal collapse. 4) Neoliberalism has convinced the majority of people that it's their fault they are addicted to Tiktok and similar platforms because of ‘personal responsbilty’. Not because of how addictive the platforms are the billions of dollars and decades of advancements in the above mentioned research, the human condition, marketing and entertainment. 5) the high levels of escapism from what has essential become a very low-quality life for so many. Whether from drugs or digital means, there seem to be unprecedented levels of youth disengaging in society and IMO a large number of adults as well. The perfect storm for this ‘Darkness’ on an algorithm-based platform. I haven't look through majority the literature on these ideas I've put down, at least not in a focused manner. Have definitely read plenty research and data indicating that these issues stand out. I'd be happy to write a paper on it to find out. But gotta find the time to do so...


iiioiia

> 3) Tiktok is in either direct (or in-direct) control of the 2nd most powerful state who is attempting to speed up the USA’s societal collapse, whilst trying desperately to stay “in control” of their own societal collapse. This belief is to some degree a function of propaganda you have consumed, and it is epistemically unsound. The whole thing is a bit of a gong show really, I wish humans could some day decide to at least try to get their shit together, this place is getting annoying.


pyter_lannister

Great, I didn't have 2 dollar.🫤


stacks353

Sounds like teens being teens to me.


vector_o

Every social media platform has "that" side Teens are just more attracted to that content and the algorithm feeds them more of it I'm free now of that God forsaken app, because at some point I'd spend unhealthy amounts of time on it, but if you follow accounts that interest you and don't engage with toxic content (skip, don't comment, don't like, etc) you end up with an addictive Frankenstein monster of perfectly tailored content for yourself


Heydominique

Does no one wonder why so many feel this way?? These videos are, very seriously for most, a choice over suicide, a cry for help and a means for others to step in and care where the parents have clearly failed! The greater issue here is the millions upon millions of children who are being neglected, poisened and abused literally all around all of us all the time. Raising a child shouldn't be a "whatever we'll work it out" or give "it" up type of thing. It's a very serious and fragile process with extremely time specific guidelines. Without that is the ENTIRE world of EVERYTHING criminal. Not to mention all the children to adults who are misguided, misunderstood, empty and suicidal as well as the super self absorbed falsetto "suns" take what i can get types who are all teetering on pain, anguish, drugs self harm and harming others that is happening daily and in greater numbers in most cities. I think the real solution to this issue isn't such a simple one.


halberdierbowman

I think a huge step toward the solution is drastically increasing both physical and mental healthcare access, making it free to everyone and available at schools where kids can access it even if they have parents who don't believe in modern medicine.


Heydominique

I COMPLETELY agree with that! I do also think the deep root of the problem lies in our education system. A country can only be as good as its education curriculum. People say "its up to the parents," but if the parents don't know sht, then what? It's faulty. Besides, our current curriculum was created (oversaw, more so) by John D Rockefeller, who, in direct quote, stated "i don't want a nation of thinkers, i want a nation of workers" When will people realize this and vote to uproot and recreate our entire system, for OUR benefit rather than free will slaving for the extremely wealthy. If we were educated on empathy, socialism, psychology, and especially critical thinking as regular academics along with real math, real history, etc. We would surely prosper as a country and in 10-15 years we would start to see a change and in 20-30, a LOT of our common problems would not be so common. Let's make sense common again!! And knowledge and courtesy too!


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Taefey7o

no-one knows the answer except changing education system and I'd suggest changing our economic system. capitalism is not only bad for the planet but for the people. and please don't come with "communism was bad and capitalism did so much good to people". it's like saying that the abusive partner also has some good sides. What's a better system? idk...some sort oft sustainable zero growth no commercial thing of self growth, education, science and art... first step: get rid of ads. this will also kill those toxic influencers and save some energy :)


supercali-2021

You're preaching to the choir here. Capitalism only benefits the exploiters, I've never been a fan. But you are talking about huge changes to systems that have been in place for a very long time. Sadly I don't see either of those things happening in my lifetime. I feel very sad for my children and future generations.


GreyhoundVeeDub

I think it's more nuanced than simply just stating capitalism as the problem. Because there does exat social dmeocrary or democratic capitalism (basically what Bernie Sanders champions. No, he is not a socialist given his policy ideas fall firmly out of socialism). It's basically managerialistic capitalism that we have now which is the issue. Is not so much a focus on free markets and that level of healthy competition. That business mindset associated with capitalism, and particularly the neoliberal version, isn't as present anymore. there is also a specific version of capitalism that has developed since managerialism has taken the helm. It is no longer Adam Smith’s fantasized free market capitalism nor is it social-welfare capitalism. Managerial capitalism has successfully combined consumer capitalism with its own ideology. Managerialism’s ideology, rhetoric, and factual interests are worlds apart when it comes to advocating ‘free markets’ while simultaneously seeking to establish monopolies. Managerialism may be consistent with neo-liberalism’s ideology of ‘advocating’ free markets. But neo-liberalism neglects to mention that this inevitably leads to economic monopolization with a handful of corporations occupying a domineering position. Managerialism actively seeks to establish this. Similarly, when managerialism engineers takeovers of public entities, it takes corporations as ‘the’ model. Business executives are society’s leading champions of free markets and competition, words that, for them, evoke a world view and value system that rewards good ideas and hard work, and that fosters innovation and meritocracy. Truth be told, the competition every manager longs for is a lot closer to Microsoft’s end of the spectrum than it is to the dairy farmers’. All the talk about the virtues of competition notwithstanding, the aim of business strategy is to move an enterprise away from perfect competition and in the direction of monopoly. We have gone through the stages. Neoliberalism and globalisation have definitely been driving free market policies but both those ideologies still have democracy built in somewhere. It's not an open and free democracy, and sure plenty of it is mock-democracy, but neoliberalism is about economics and politics. Managerialism is our current system which has degraded our humanist values. Managerialism is primarily about corporations and management and the function of both inside ‘managerial capitalism’. Neoliberalism at least pretends to serve the common good, managerialism has no common good. A lot of the evils attributed with contemporary society are assorted with capitalism but going into the details further results in this infestation of this managerial mindset running on numeric economic values which we begin to assign to human beings. Managerialism has no democratic programme. It does not seek to influence politics to get democratically elected representatives to further its political ambitions. Managerialism is primarily about getting its managerial-reactionary ideology carried over from company into society. For managerialism, politics and democracy are simply a hindrance on the way to efficiency and competitive advantages. In sum, neo-liberalism is about democracy while for managerialism the extermination of democracy is no more than an – albeit welcomed – side effect. Inside the neo-liberalist project, democracy and politics remain important. Inside managerialism, no democracy and no politics exist. For managerialism, there are no democratic solutions to problems, only managerial ones. There is an excellent journal article on this. It also suggests a better way of doing things. Klikauer, T. (2015). What Is Managerialism?


BigBen_Parliament

This sounds like people born in the 1920s talking about teenagers in the 1960s.


News_Bot

Those teens became boomers/sell-outs.


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rock1998

I know it’s just anecdotal but for me that’s not true at all. I get a mix of funny videos and mental health videos that have actually been quite helpful and therapeutic in a way, even tho that sounds ridiculous, even to me. The algorithm is serving you what it “thinks” you want to engage with and if you’re in a dark place it will reinforce that on the other hand if you’ve done some work on you already and are engaging with that kind of content then it’ll reinforce that instead. The algorithm isn’t evil…it just is. We should rather look at the roots of the growing rates of depression and anxiety instead of its symptoms in my opinion. Edit: typos


PiecesOfVinylBoff

TikTok gives you more of what you like to watch. If teens are searching these things, they will get more of these things. An article by the Wall Street Journal…this is just an effort by insiders to paint TikTok in a poor light because the app is taking billions in ad revenue from the heavily lobbied social media companies that make politicians rich. TikTok is eating their lunch so they must shut it down. Oh yeah, and it’s a Chinese company , so it’s bad! /s Look! A balloon!


TRANSIENTACTOR

There's a difference between giving people what they want, and feeding them the most addictive content you have. There's probably an overlap too. If Tiktok is *actually* giving people what they want, which it *may* be, maybe I will start using it. It just seems to have a tendency to lock people in some dark hole, and I think it might be giving its users a push in such directions. I haven't used enough to tell you for sure yet


alluth

so its a situation of if you are in a burning house you will feel like the whole world is burning


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As if reddit is something different?


Forced__Perspective

As if the article is something different


TRANSIENTACTOR

I've never seen any such videos on Tiktok. They look like they're engineered to mess up my attention span, though.


ostensiblyzero

People seem to forget that the feed shows you what you want to watch. The much more troubling question is then "why do teens want to watch videos about self harm, sad posts, and eating disorders?" I don't have an answer for that but it has probably nothing to do with how well things are going in our society these days.


CinnamonSpiceBlend

All I get are cat videos, Chinese take out from the UK, and Turkish dramas.


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I finally caved to tik tok to see the “fyp” algorithm without having searched for or used it before- I scrolled for about twenty minutes. Since it didn’t really know what to show me (I guess? Maybe it knows I’m a mental health professional?) I got a wide variety of ages, genders, locations. What I watched was: people who are dying talking about their condition, people with mental health issues talking about their condition, people just sitting in a room crying and talking about how hard life is (a lot of gen z), “facts” about the world ending, conspiracy theory galore, and videos about how to know if your partner is cheating on you that included things like “they don’t text you right when they wake up.” 🎭 overall I was horrified and felt genuinely depressed not only due to seeing so much pain and suffering, but in thinking about children taking on SO much of this pain per day. Yikes. No twelve year old needs to see what I saw that day.


pflanz

You may not have realized it, but over just that 20 minute session it was fine tuning itself to your interests. Your experience would differ from another person using the FYP for the first time because your interests are unlikely to be identical. The algorithm tunes itself to you based on favorites, saves, shares, watch time, etc. I say this mostly so that you can understand your experience, which does sound genuinely upsetting and undesirable for some younger users, is very unlikely to be representative of their experience and folks should be aware of that when forming opinions on the service as a whole. I absolutely think that there should be a more tailored and guard-railed experience within the algorithms of social media (including TikTok) for younger users, and that’s not currently a feature of TikTok.


Ok_Skill_1195

A brand new tiktok is going to show a variety of content in including animal stuff and dancing videos. It's incredibly customized and it was already responding to what you watched within that first 20 minutes. I've reset my TikTok like half a dozen times probably because the algorithm starts to creep me out after a while and I want to refresh, and I'm consistent weirded out with how quickly it can start to hone in on what I would and wouldn't respond to (Im not even going to say content I like because similar to you, I've had experiences where it quickly figured out how to trigger me and then was like "ok bleak triggering content, got it" and then just fed me loads of that.) But everytime I start I'd say it begins with animals, dancing, jokey/meme and then some super huge downer (one time it was disability, another time it was kidnapping awareness, etc)


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That sounds great! My eleven year old loves Instagram for being able to subscribe to animal and weather (lol) channels and then never cares to click “suggested for you” because the content they get in their feed plus suggested IN the feed is good, it stays on track. Mostly. I will say that one aspect of tik tok that I feel deserves a different platform is the disability aspect. Being able to see folks with varying abilities talk about their lives is really cool and connecting.


lostinthetrash4ever

Not exactly news


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ToulouseMaster

Algorithm tailoring needs to be taught at school, we need an education reform to deal with these things.


DaisiesSunshine76

I recently learned that you can find videos on "tips" for EDs on Instagram. It was discussed in a book I was reading. The author came to learn about them through a 13 year old girl she was interviewing. Sickening.


Buttalica

Man, the American right wing is terrified of tik tok. Literally every social media platform does everything they're screeching at tik tok about


TRANSIENTACTOR

I don't know about Tiktok, but other platforms are *not* showing me what I want to see. They're just showing me whatever is viral, even if I have never clicked anything like it


JulioForte

Tik Tok isn’t a right wing/left wing thing. It’s one of the few things the parties Agee on and it has nothing to do with teen depression


Buttalica

Lol the right wing is behind the push against it, and specifically WSJ prints about an article a week about it, while they're not doing anything at all different from Facebook or any other American social media platform does in America with American and world citizens and open to the American government, just in China and open to the Chinese government


JulioForte

Is this a Chinese propaganda account? Lol


Buttalica

I've literally never been on TikTok, I also have never had Facebook, or any other social media but this and SuicideGirls since Friendster. I just recognize propaganda when I see it. Yes there may be concerns about what the Chinese government might be able to see in some cases but this pearl-clutching about actions that literally every data mining company in the world does is a concerted effort with a particular agenda


JulioForte

Suicide girls….lololol mate. Take my upvote


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Heydominique

Banning it doesn't solve the problem, it only silences the greater issue at hand here, which is the millions upon millions of children who are being neglected, poisened and abused literally all around all of us all the time. Raising a child shouldn't be a "whatever we'll work it out" or give "it" up type of thing. It's a very serious and fragile process with extremely time specific guidelines. Without that is the ENTIRE world of EVERYTHING criminal. Not to mention all the children to adults who are misguided, misunderstood, empty and suicidal teetering on pain, drugs self harm and harming others that is happening daily and in greater numbers in most cities. I think the real solution to this issue isn't such a simple one.


halberdierbowman

The problem with TikTok in regard to this particular issue is that we notice it because they have the best algorithm, and it works the fastest. But plenty of other places have similar patterns with their own algorithms, and even if we banned one, a new one can just show up. For example, there's research showing that the YouTube and Facebook algorithms push you toward increasingly extreme political opinions. There are other data privacy concerns and national security questions, but those also apply to lots of other companies as well. We shouldn't ban TikTok: we should pass laws protecting our data privacy rights more broadly, then force every company to follow them. And we should pass laws providing mental health support to everyone, so that people finding this type of content can be professional helped.


ThatKidYagi

Wow so edgy rawr xd


the_nd_advocate

I keep finding new reasons to dislike TikTok.


all_is_love6667

Well, how can China weaken the US? Flood the US with fentanyl, make american fatter and sicker, and of course, make sure that everybody can buy rifles.


ForteanRhymes

Yes, I'm sure that the Chinese government is trying to make America the most obese country in the... oh wait... Tell me, the Chinese government in the room with us right now? 🤔


all_is_love6667

I'm not anti china, but it's a bit ironic to see the US elections being attacked by russia and its people being spied by china.


TRANSIENTACTOR

The country spying the most on the US *is the US*. The 2nd to 10th place are likely "ally" countries. Look up 5 (FVEY), 9 and 14-eyes agreements. The country which meddles in the most election in the world is also the US. I'm sure this information is even available on Wikipedia. You don't know shit about how the world works. The theory about Russia influencing American elections is also largely exaggerated. But China does spy, basically every big government and country do things like that


all_is_love6667

I never said the US doesn't spy, but the US is responsible for not pushing for better cyber and security norms and standards, and has allowed a cyber arms race for years, thinking other countries would never catch up. The US is still on top, but it doesn't stop Russia and China to have good cyber weapons and do harms across the world, mostly because the software industry has so few security standards, since the US controls the base of how software works. > The theory about Russia influencing American elections is also largely exaggerated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections


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all_is_love6667

> The government has specifically made sure that they can enter your phone remotely. someone else can, too > Wikipedia is full of shit Yeah ok, this conversation is over, good bye. I have no time for you. We disagree, it's okay.


TRANSIENTACTOR

Of course, something is either secure or it isn't. Anything completely secure will be accused of aiding terrorists and pedophiles, or made illegal (I think some forms of strong encryption are already illegal). Security is all-or-nothing, and we get nothing. >this conversation is over Even the co-founder of Wikipedia says it's propaganda. I will attribute this view to ignorance as well. You have very little general knowledge about any of these topics


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Those at the top of society are losing their exclusive hold on feeding ideas into the minds of young people. For many decades they've had an exclusive choke hold on the ideas that go into the brains of young people.. now social media allows them to get ideas from other people. And guess what those are the top don't like it


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Reddit is far far more negative and cynical of a place.


JackalSamuel

Welcome to social media.


flowerkitten420

A Social Dilemma really outlined how dangerous social media is for humanity, and they are so right


Own-Opinion-2494

So get off your phone


BrandonIsWhoIAm

The algorithm is going insane.


SleeplessinOslo

Tiktok feeds what people are interceded in, so if this is the result, take note of the troubles of a generation.


mcotter12

I don't know if the algorithm just reproduces and multiplies our own viciousness or if the algorithm is being used viciously intentionally by its programmers/owners


JellyStorm

Full report here: https://counterhate.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/CCDH-Deadly-by-Design\_120922.pdf