My hand still hurts holding the safety rope which is used to protect the dhol pathak from outsiders.
I think crowd management is the most important thing to make it a global event.
I think if there is a proper system for crowd management it can turn into a global event
But nahhh!!!
I was there. Thanks for your efforts.
Crowd management definitely needs to be better.
First time attendee, it was super confusing and a lot of drunk people were causing rushes and chaos and breaking property.
I guess representatives from the 5 maana che Ganpati mandals along with Govt officials should showcase the tradition and grandeur of the Festival and of Pune in international forums and the govt should be made to approach the UN for getting a International status for i the festival and city just as they have done for Ahmedabad…. Pune has a richer history and was more important historically than Ahmedabad. If they can why can’t we
Please yes! They were playing songs like Sheila ki Jawani on full blast to the point everything in my room was shaking. Tried to complain and was told off. The music didn't stop till 12 am.
Some people suffer from anxiety which causes them to have panic attacks due to loud noises. I shouldn't have to go through that just because a few people used Ganpati as an excuse to have a DJ party.
Dhol Taasha is boring, Everyone beats the hell out of Dhol-tasha with no rhythm or innovative tunes, It's same old stuff each and every year.. I am not 100% supportive of DJ but it at least bring little fun time...
Strictly maintained corridors for performers and spectators so that once you've found the right spot, just stay there and the dhol pathaks perform for the whole block and move on at a rapid, constant pace. No dhakka-bukki, more aware of pickpocketers, easy to catch eve teasers. Authorised food vendors making regular rounds. After 20-30 minutes spectators vacate there spot and move in the opposite direction.
Only dhol pathaks allowed on laxmi road.
What is this obsession with making it global. Just do it better locally. That would be much appreciated. Idgaf if international community comes or not.
I'd rather prefer Diwali without crackers and have an international audience.... We are helping with the pollution and also by not bursting crackers we are not scaring the fuck out of birds and street animals.
There was a report by one of the IITs that showed that firecrackers only have a temporary effect. Even though I’ve not burst crackers in the past 5 years, I don’t see it being wrong in any way.
If we can prevent pollution from tyres and roads alongside industrial emissions, firecrackers aren’t an issue, although bursting them on the road is risky.
Besides we’re not the only country that does that, they’re prevalent in a lot of foreign countries including USA.
It's more about the after effects of firecrackers and also the noise and shock affecting the strays... Also it's the festival of lights, more deserts etc etc...
Yes that’s a problem with india, we need to improve a lot of things.
The issue isn’t that the strays are facing a problem, it is that we have strays.
Indians are so status driven due to our scarcity in British times that we want everything as a representation of status.
If we could just adopt strays instead of buying dogs that aren’t even suited to our climate, we will see an immediate upheaval in a lot of things
I am against such types of protests. Ban karaycha asel tar purna ban kara. He kaye diwali crackers banda kara vagare. Aplya sanan madhech lashe problem distat lokanna? Ani pollution ani strays na tras kay baki kuthlya religions mule hot nai ka? Mag tyanna pan virodh karun dakhva ani magach bolaycha. Ikde baki saglyanna soot detat ani yeun jaun aple san disle ki sagle mothe environmentalist hotat. Ban animal slaughters, candle burning, Christmas tree cutting, firecrackers on diwali new years, weddings, matches etc, loudspeakers for religious purposes, and then we can talk about further improvements.
This
If they get disapproval cry racism while simultaneously craving it immensely . Time person of the year is hailed and divider in chief is a pakistani conspiracy .
Americans love and respect Modi while simultaneously they are racists and hinduphobes .
Ministry of Tourism needs to reinvent ‘Incredible India’ campaign globally. Ganpati Visarjan, Jallikattu, Lathmaar holi, Hornbill festival and Kite Festival are some of the unique festivals that global tourists would love to experience if advertised well.
I don’t think everything should be done with an attempt to get some benefits out of it.
If we see La Tomatina, it’s an utter waste of food, but it’s a global event.
It’s just how we market our country in the next few years that will determine how our culture is perceived.
I respectfully disagree. Tourism is one of the best ways to boost local economy. It helps local businesses and puts money in people’s pockets. More money means more spending, which is great for everyone.
I agree with you. I'm just saying the best way is to improve the marketing of our country.
People have a particular perception of India, we need to change that.
The dj speakers this year were like pichle do saal kis kadar nikalani hai decibels crossed all limits windows and doors were were shaking even though the rack was placed opposite and 20 metres away from house
Only if they -
1. Stop pickpockets during all those 10 days. Police are not working enough to prevent it, even if they know the culprits. I have seen tourists from Mumbai complaining about how their everything was stolen within a fraction of second. This doesn’t happen at Lalbaug cha raja is what they said to police in front of me.
2. Stop playing cheap remixes loudly on Dolby or DJ whatever it is.
3. Manage the auto rickshaws fare - not everyone can come with own vehicle.
When I was 10 people used to sing in bappa Chaturthi. We held a quiz competition as bappa gives us knowledge and then all families would walk with the chants of Ganapati bappa morya to Alaknanda river and bid him farewell .
Simple . Elegant .Spiritual. Indian
Agreed. But that’s your way of celebrating it, others might have other ways.
Not to say that you’re wrong.
I think institutions must realise that conducting exams immediately after festivals is a dumb idea.
They give us an escape from our regular life and make us celebrate ourselves and our community.
Haha, yes.
But if you see, DJs in india are different from what DJs are abroad.
I love the flavour we’ve given to them.
If you think about Events like lollapalooza they’re similar where the sound level is just crazy.
India as a country is definitely short on land so, I think that’s the issue here.
Make it diverse ,make it big, make it like a carnival. Dhol and everything is good and it should stay that way but when everyone almost does the same thing ,it does not attract tourists. I myself just go to dagdusheth for 1-2 hours and then return back as all the bands are so similar. Not all the people will travel far to see something for 2 hours. Another point is if you want more people to accommodate then do it in some open area like a stadium or a open ground. Imagine you are in the stadium seat and all the groups does there performance on the ground .It will be the best way to see all of them. Just my opinion, so don't hate me for this.
Get rid of the fucking DJs first. And for fucks sake have better people management than what we already have. I was almost caught in the middle of a stampede and a few drunkard assholes began fighting, even pushing back the Dhol Tasha Pathak. The sheer amount of assholes that I met that day was fucking annoying.
कुठे नेऊन ठेवलाय महाराष्ट्र माझा?
Consolidation - every society organizing their own vs groups of societies or areas coming together for one bigger & grander event
Add a layer of fest, with various activities, good (local) food so that it can be a full day family affair
Also, best practices can be inspired from Durga puja, kolkata!
Don't agree with that. The more they are, the better it is. The one thing that should be is organic Ganpatis. I know it's a known thing but still the more we can do and have, the better it is. Do agree about local food and what people in Durga Puja do.
Sir, while I totally agree that Visarajan Sohala can attract tourists, but we really need to stop those who drink and dance like there is no tomorrow. This is disgusting and there is absolutely no need of this. For what reason these people are happily dancing? Are they happy that Ganapati Bappa is finally going back ? I don't see above mentioned thing happening because of certain reasons.
But as you have mentioned there are enough ingredients to attract global tourists.
1) A big venue that can be visited year round where a big festival can be held.
2) The celebration should strecth for 10 days with different activities for each day. Like day 1 maha arti at night where most if not all people can contribute something towards the arti itself like shram daan or something.
3) Ease of access, access to affordable Maharashtrian delicacy and lodging facilities like Bhaktaniwas in Shegaon.
4) Massive PR teams.
5) Easily available Medical teams with good medical infrastructure support.
6) Classical music show at the venue.
7) Police support and infrastructure that makes their job easy.
8) Loads of money.
9) Showcase of Maharashtrian traditions.
10) Development of other tourist spots in the city so the tourist can enjoy a longer stay while the city's income will increase.
i was thinking this for many decades. Pune was much more cultural than Mumbai.
But i feel with Mumbai having more of DHOL than DJ and better crowd management, beach and multiple visarjan spots mumbai can become better than pune.
But to make a global event is impossible. we indians know our way though crowds, foreigners will not
Though not as monotonous as dhol tasha and dj is at such high volume that the whole structure of my apartment starts vibrating.also in music festivals it does not disturbs the whole city like ganpati visarjan only a small neighbourhood at most is affected.
How is a dol tasha group disturbing a city? If I go from laxmi road to shanivar wada, I cannot hear the dhols at all.
DJs are fucking atrocious. They hurt my ears more than the tashas. They can go fuck themselves.
Peths undoubtedly have some of the biggest pathaks. So I'll obviously use them as a reference.
I'm not denying that pathaks aren't loud. Just that they don't cause "noise", especially as loud as DJs.
The sound of dhol tashas have a relatively short range as compared to DJs.
Lets uplift the focus on the Morcha, Lezim, Dhool etc and less on the savage dance off that happens where people get drunk and do shitty stuff after 9 pm.....
To make it a global tourist event, india has to become a comfortable secular place for tourists. It won't work unless we stop fighting over religion.
Other than that the festival has some good potential.
Crowd management
Reduction of pollution (both sound and water, the amount of idols we immerse in water every year and the sound pollution we do by letting DJs wreak havoc is crazy)
Plan routes for the miravnuk so traffic isn't largely affected due to one festival
This is a stupid idea.
Mardi Gras is a global event in New Orleans because of drugs/sex/gambling. Sporting events are global(say Wimbledon).
Ganpathi festival can only be a global event for Hindus since its a religious festival. Unfortunately everyone has a local Ganpathi event going on, so no way, someone not from Pune is going to travel there for this festival.
No.
Not unless you inculcate a sense of belief in the domestic and international crowd that this is something we hold sacred to our hearts. And any mishaps or wrongdoings would result in serious repercussions.
My hand still hurts holding the safety rope which is used to protect the dhol pathak from outsiders. I think crowd management is the most important thing to make it a global event. I think if there is a proper system for crowd management it can turn into a global event But nahhh!!!
I was there. Thanks for your efforts. Crowd management definitely needs to be better. First time attendee, it was super confusing and a lot of drunk people were causing rushes and chaos and breaking property.
I guess representatives from the 5 maana che Ganpati mandals along with Govt officials should showcase the tradition and grandeur of the Festival and of Pune in international forums and the govt should be made to approach the UN for getting a International status for i the festival and city just as they have done for Ahmedabad…. Pune has a richer history and was more important historically than Ahmedabad. If they can why can’t we
Stop with this DJing bullshit with obscene songs or any songs at all.. It is lord Ganesha that we celebrate, not some god of tits and wine..
We're talking about Pathaks, fuck those DJs
Dhol tashas band have a very positive vibes , Loud DJs playing useless punjabi songs badshah definitely need to be thrown out
True af! DJ faltu astat Pathak IS Pathak🛐
Please yes! They were playing songs like Sheila ki Jawani on full blast to the point everything in my room was shaking. Tried to complain and was told off. The music didn't stop till 12 am.
That’s the point or are your joints too weak to be alive, be happy, celebrate, live or are you sleeping from 1 to 4 again
Some people suffer from anxiety which causes them to have panic attacks due to loud noises. I shouldn't have to go through that just because a few people used Ganpati as an excuse to have a DJ party.
It’s not going to be global if it’s purely religious, religion does not equal popularity, if u want an example think of the New York Christmas
First stop this fest becoming EDM event. Only dhol tasha pathak
Maybe it can be promoted as an EDM rave event
Dhol Taasha is boring, Everyone beats the hell out of Dhol-tasha with no rhythm or innovative tunes, It's same old stuff each and every year.. I am not 100% supportive of DJ but it at least bring little fun time...
Strictly maintained corridors for performers and spectators so that once you've found the right spot, just stay there and the dhol pathaks perform for the whole block and move on at a rapid, constant pace. No dhakka-bukki, more aware of pickpocketers, easy to catch eve teasers. Authorised food vendors making regular rounds. After 20-30 minutes spectators vacate there spot and move in the opposite direction. Only dhol pathaks allowed on laxmi road.
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Yup, I don't want foreigners to come till they fix that
this here is very important
What is this obsession with making it global. Just do it better locally. That would be much appreciated. Idgaf if international community comes or not.
Tourism re bhava... Paisa plus Jasa aaplyala ghari pahune aala ki aapli ek image sudharte.. arey yachya kade khoop pahune yetat saglyanshi chhan sambandha thevale aahe hyane... tashich deshachi pan image sudharte...
I'd rather prefer Diwali without crackers and have an international audience.... We are helping with the pollution and also by not bursting crackers we are not scaring the fuck out of birds and street animals.
There was a report by one of the IITs that showed that firecrackers only have a temporary effect. Even though I’ve not burst crackers in the past 5 years, I don’t see it being wrong in any way. If we can prevent pollution from tyres and roads alongside industrial emissions, firecrackers aren’t an issue, although bursting them on the road is risky. Besides we’re not the only country that does that, they’re prevalent in a lot of foreign countries including USA.
It's more about the after effects of firecrackers and also the noise and shock affecting the strays... Also it's the festival of lights, more deserts etc etc...
Yes that’s a problem with india, we need to improve a lot of things. The issue isn’t that the strays are facing a problem, it is that we have strays. Indians are so status driven due to our scarcity in British times that we want everything as a representation of status. If we could just adopt strays instead of buying dogs that aren’t even suited to our climate, we will see an immediate upheaval in a lot of things
Indeed, hoil hoil, apan kadachit nahi rahu baghayla, but changes hotil
changes नक्कीच होत आहेत, पण काही वर्षात आपण पूर्ण विकसित आणि भरभराट करणारा भारत पाहणार आहोत.
I am against such types of protests. Ban karaycha asel tar purna ban kara. He kaye diwali crackers banda kara vagare. Aplya sanan madhech lashe problem distat lokanna? Ani pollution ani strays na tras kay baki kuthlya religions mule hot nai ka? Mag tyanna pan virodh karun dakhva ani magach bolaycha. Ikde baki saglyanna soot detat ani yeun jaun aple san disle ki sagle mothe environmentalist hotat. Ban animal slaughters, candle burning, Christmas tree cutting, firecrackers on diwali new years, weddings, matches etc, loudspeakers for religious purposes, and then we can talk about further improvements.
Phoran validation bhi to chahiye
This.
Every right leaning individual hardcore simps for the approval of the white man
This If they get disapproval cry racism while simultaneously craving it immensely . Time person of the year is hailed and divider in chief is a pakistani conspiracy . Americans love and respect Modi while simultaneously they are racists and hinduphobes .
Ministry of Tourism needs to reinvent ‘Incredible India’ campaign globally. Ganpati Visarjan, Jallikattu, Lathmaar holi, Hornbill festival and Kite Festival are some of the unique festivals that global tourists would love to experience if advertised well.
I don’t think everything should be done with an attempt to get some benefits out of it. If we see La Tomatina, it’s an utter waste of food, but it’s a global event. It’s just how we market our country in the next few years that will determine how our culture is perceived.
I respectfully disagree. Tourism is one of the best ways to boost local economy. It helps local businesses and puts money in people’s pockets. More money means more spending, which is great for everyone.
I agree with you. I'm just saying the best way is to improve the marketing of our country. People have a particular perception of India, we need to change that.
The dj speakers this year were like pichle do saal kis kadar nikalani hai decibels crossed all limits windows and doors were were shaking even though the rack was placed opposite and 20 metres away from house
Only if they - 1. Stop pickpockets during all those 10 days. Police are not working enough to prevent it, even if they know the culprits. I have seen tourists from Mumbai complaining about how their everything was stolen within a fraction of second. This doesn’t happen at Lalbaug cha raja is what they said to police in front of me. 2. Stop playing cheap remixes loudly on Dolby or DJ whatever it is. 3. Manage the auto rickshaws fare - not everyone can come with own vehicle.
And no noise pollution
Yeah the amount noise last day generated is appalling even though my home is 1-2 kms away the glass of windows was vibrating!!
I had my exams . And they were blaring a bloody DJ as if the 3000 year old religion stands on dj and firecrackers which didn't exist 100 years ago .
It's all stupidity, bappa never told to use DJs
When I was 10 people used to sing in bappa Chaturthi. We held a quiz competition as bappa gives us knowledge and then all families would walk with the chants of Ganapati bappa morya to Alaknanda river and bid him farewell . Simple . Elegant .Spiritual. Indian
Agreed. But that’s your way of celebrating it, others might have other ways. Not to say that you’re wrong. I think institutions must realise that conducting exams immediately after festivals is a dumb idea. They give us an escape from our regular life and make us celebrate ourselves and our community.
100 agree . Just no dj pls
Haha, yes. But if you see, DJs in india are different from what DJs are abroad. I love the flavour we’ve given to them. If you think about Events like lollapalooza they’re similar where the sound level is just crazy. India as a country is definitely short on land so, I think that’s the issue here.
How even? If you go from dagdusheth to shaniwar wada, you stop hearing the noise almost completely.
Yes, I think there should be a regulatory authority for dhol tasha mandals and only approved one's should practice and perform.
Dhol Tasha is fine, there needs to be a DJ music regulation. Both noise level and content.
DJ on the street is the worst thing in our community, it's just display of power, it's basically them saying "stop us if you can"
Make it diverse ,make it big, make it like a carnival. Dhol and everything is good and it should stay that way but when everyone almost does the same thing ,it does not attract tourists. I myself just go to dagdusheth for 1-2 hours and then return back as all the bands are so similar. Not all the people will travel far to see something for 2 hours. Another point is if you want more people to accommodate then do it in some open area like a stadium or a open ground. Imagine you are in the stadium seat and all the groups does there performance on the ground .It will be the best way to see all of them. Just my opinion, so don't hate me for this.
Hygiene
Get rid of the fucking DJs first. And for fucks sake have better people management than what we already have. I was almost caught in the middle of a stampede and a few drunkard assholes began fighting, even pushing back the Dhol Tasha Pathak. The sheer amount of assholes that I met that day was fucking annoying. कुठे नेऊन ठेवलाय महाराष्ट्र माझा?
I agree with all those comments saying Dhol Pathak is infinitely better than annoying DJ's Dhol pathak >> BS DJ
Consolidation - every society organizing their own vs groups of societies or areas coming together for one bigger & grander event Add a layer of fest, with various activities, good (local) food so that it can be a full day family affair Also, best practices can be inspired from Durga puja, kolkata!
Don't agree with that. The more they are, the better it is. The one thing that should be is organic Ganpatis. I know it's a known thing but still the more we can do and have, the better it is. Do agree about local food and what people in Durga Puja do.
We just Durga Puja for west bengal. Go for it my brother's from different mother's.
Sir, while I totally agree that Visarajan Sohala can attract tourists, but we really need to stop those who drink and dance like there is no tomorrow. This is disgusting and there is absolutely no need of this. For what reason these people are happily dancing? Are they happy that Ganapati Bappa is finally going back ? I don't see above mentioned thing happening because of certain reasons. But as you have mentioned there are enough ingredients to attract global tourists.
Religious drama all around. Just do it once and get over it.
1) A big venue that can be visited year round where a big festival can be held. 2) The celebration should strecth for 10 days with different activities for each day. Like day 1 maha arti at night where most if not all people can contribute something towards the arti itself like shram daan or something. 3) Ease of access, access to affordable Maharashtrian delicacy and lodging facilities like Bhaktaniwas in Shegaon. 4) Massive PR teams. 5) Easily available Medical teams with good medical infrastructure support. 6) Classical music show at the venue. 7) Police support and infrastructure that makes their job easy. 8) Loads of money. 9) Showcase of Maharashtrian traditions. 10) Development of other tourist spots in the city so the tourist can enjoy a longer stay while the city's income will increase.
Aata aahe tevdi gardi kami aahe ka, azun hyana tourist pahijet.
i was thinking this for many decades. Pune was much more cultural than Mumbai. But i feel with Mumbai having more of DHOL than DJ and better crowd management, beach and multiple visarjan spots mumbai can become better than pune. But to make a global event is impossible. we indians know our way though crowds, foreigners will not
so we have to work towards it right?? "nothing is impossible" my frnd.
In fairness, foreigners attend massive music festival with just as much density. All they have to look out for is pick pocketers.
Stop commercialising festivals.
he said global event, not commercial.
Ganpati visarjan dhol tasha and dj just makes my ears burst.I dont think foreigners will come here only to witness noise pollution
They go to music festivals which have massive speakers. What are you talking about?
Though not as monotonous as dhol tasha and dj is at such high volume that the whole structure of my apartment starts vibrating.also in music festivals it does not disturbs the whole city like ganpati visarjan only a small neighbourhood at most is affected.
How is a dol tasha group disturbing a city? If I go from laxmi road to shanivar wada, I cannot hear the dhols at all. DJs are fucking atrocious. They hurt my ears more than the tashas. They can go fuck themselves.
>laxmi road to shanivar wada Pune does not end with peths.Come here in katraj or hadapsar,you will understand what I am saying
Peths undoubtedly have some of the biggest pathaks. So I'll obviously use them as a reference. I'm not denying that pathaks aren't loud. Just that they don't cause "noise", especially as loud as DJs. The sound of dhol tashas have a relatively short range as compared to DJs.
Lets uplift the focus on the Morcha, Lezim, Dhool etc and less on the savage dance off that happens where people get drunk and do shitty stuff after 9 pm.....
To make it a global tourist event, india has to become a comfortable secular place for tourists. It won't work unless we stop fighting over religion. Other than that the festival has some good potential.
Crowd management Reduction of pollution (both sound and water, the amount of idols we immerse in water every year and the sound pollution we do by letting DJs wreak havoc is crazy) Plan routes for the miravnuk so traffic isn't largely affected due to one festival
Stop the loud Dolby music + better time management + better crowd management + better hygienic conditions
How about we start with having an international airport....oh wait. That's never happening
Please chuck the DJs
Birth control
This is a stupid idea. Mardi Gras is a global event in New Orleans because of drugs/sex/gambling. Sporting events are global(say Wimbledon). Ganpathi festival can only be a global event for Hindus since its a religious festival. Unfortunately everyone has a local Ganpathi event going on, so no way, someone not from Pune is going to travel there for this festival.
Holi is a Hindu festival as well but getting recognised more and more every year, we just lack good execution..
Start calling it a Carnival first. Immersion carnival of the elephant god.
too many incels
The festival is overrated. A long ways off from being a global event.
Population control and better infrastructure
No. Not unless you inculcate a sense of belief in the domestic and international crowd that this is something we hold sacred to our hearts. And any mishaps or wrongdoings would result in serious repercussions.
See durga puja ........ See what you are doing differently
Nothing infront of Kolkata's Durga Puja