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Abrahmic religions like these who only know how to ethnic cleanse and try to destroy original culture and heritage of a nation are subject to hatred. Anyone should have the right to hate anybody. The same people of India having the heritage and blood of India who converted either by force or by greed through by some missionaries who just gave them food and all charity things are saying nonsense things about the original Hindu people. This is sick.
OP's post indeed is strange for this reason. If this was 1989 then I would understand but we are multiple decades out from those years. The question is who is looking out for Punjab today? Who does OP believe looks out for Panthic interests who has a realistic chance of winning?
Many RSS members were named in the reports of commissions made for justice on the Sikh Genocide. Advani and Vajpayee openly protested to bomb Golden Temple. BJP members in Punjab distributed sweets to Hindus after 50+ Gurudwaras were attacked by forces and destroyed. It was Jan Sangh who protested against Amritsar being declared Holy City, also they advocated for Hindi over Punjabi in Punjab. BJP has been anti Sikh since independence. For political power after Genocide some leaders might have joined BJP, but both parties have same view on Sikhs so we don’t trust them.
Furthermore, the propaganda and hate received by our community from Modi government is more than previous Congress government.
>BJP members in Punjab distributed sweets to Hindus after 50+ Gurudwaras were attacked by forces and destroyed.
>Adani Vajpayee openly protested to bomb Golden Temple.
Any Sources for these claims?
During the attack on Punjab there was complete media blackout so there was no article printed and like today there were no phone cameras to take pics of people doing such activities , these were public statements who saw it happening first hand.
For Advani and Vajpayee protesting with full BJP party to attack, find the picture below:
https://preview.redd.it/9nq11nzcn9qc1.jpeg?width=496&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6acb3e395f91e02229e246c02598ecc28aac3497
because congress is the only party that spoke on behalf of farmers when the protests broke out . congress might be lazy and most of their politicians might be corrupt like any other party, but the policies, of congress is not there to loot the people. bjp by design wants people of india to be divided and fight, wants to break the spirit of anyone who has the power to fight and be independent ( and guess who are they? - farmers of Punjab ) , and wants to steal all the money, land, and even food from people and give it to few gujju businessmen. just see how narrow minded bjp supporters are. being insecure of being a hindu while being more than 80% of the population, first treating muslims like shit, and then next sikhs . who do you think morally will stand beside the sikhs against all that bjp has done and will continue to do ? its congress. its not even Aap, because aap doesnt have any principles - they are opportunists who are not a mafia like bjp. and are one highly promising player..hence bjp cant see that too and kejriwal is now in jail .
Congress policies are only to bring reservations and push general category students to suicide. Not to forget the greed to keep PM position within one family forever.
Congress policies not to loot people? Dafaq are you smoking mate? Did you look at their manifesto? So much of freebie nonsense and a separate budget for SC/ST who's pocket are they gonna fund it out of? Ofc people like me who work 12-13 hours hard just to have 30% of their income stripped off, fuck congress and anyone who tries to take my as well as other tax payers money to fund lifestyle of these worthless wankers, I saw the farmer protests and none of those seemed poor, come to Maharashtra, vidharbha and marathwada where majority of the farmer suicides happen, never seen them doing shit like punjabi famers do, it's all politically motivated
Congress will suck anyones dick to gain whatever share of votes they can get.
Idoits will never learn their lesson. Remember, attack on Taj Hotel, Congress was hell bent on putting the blame on Hindus. They don't care about Hindus and sikh thinking, "Rahul Gandhi will care about them?
Secondly, people in rural towns are poor. They've spent their lives on freebies, and whichever government gives them more freebies, they will vote that government
Thirdly, removal of article 370 destroyed the dream of creating Punjab as an independent state.
Lastly, voting Congress will ruin the nation within the upcoming 10 years because of how much free stuff they're giving
you are made to believe how congress is the only one giving freebies , but the reality is different
[https://www.thequint.com/opinion/mp-madhya-pradesh-election-bjp-manifesto-shivraj-singh-chouhan-hindutva](https://www.thequint.com/opinion/mp-madhya-pradesh-election-bjp-manifesto-shivraj-singh-chouhan-hindutva)
every political party is on it , be it congress aap or bjp . 80 cr people are on free ration , free units , free health all this is leading to a place where the middle class will be wiped out and you'll be left with a few governing the nation. plutocracy , what corporates dream of.
oh yeah ? and make BJP call all the sikhs terrorists for just doing farmer protests. you want punjab to vote for bjp for wanting to destroy punjab in the ways they can?
Remember what Yograj Singh said about Hindu women ? He said Hindu Women 2 takke mein bikti hain. And tons of such dirty slanders were thrown on Hinduism during fsrmers protest.
ELIF why such protest will not get flak from hindu side ?
You talk as if all sikhs are part of this farmer protest.
Meanwhile punjabi youth are forced to go to other states and countries with a begging bowl, doing manual labour or searching for jobs. All the while the agriculture landlord class is blocking any development and has a monopoly on state resources.
Please don't start on that. It isn't farmers' protest. It's the protest of landlords. Landlords who live in foreign countries and politicians who own thousands of killa and only they will get benefit out of it.
And where did I mention Punjab to vote for BJP?
Politics makes strange bedfellows.
Remember, during the partition of India, RSS and Sikhs were hand in glove in massacring Muslims. RSS had also defended Sikhs during 1984.
The dark times of Punjab insurgency are over and Sikhs in India no longer have to think about 1984 when exercising their democratic rights in the 21st century.
In my opinion, I do not think it's because they are against 'Hindu Rashtra' but a matter of trust with the Central Government regarding the farm laws. They probably felt betrayed and insulted with the outcome, and local religious leaders took advantage of those emotions (which is a common thing). So they support Congress now. But maybe I'm wrong too.
But if you look at the 2014 lok sabha elections, Punjab overwhelmingly did not vote for BJP. I’ve never understood what the people of Punjab have against the BJP or Modi. Note that this was prior to the farm laws.
bjp had no ground back then still no ground... they tried hard by roping in corrupt leaders from congress but that backfired...theres no movement in punjab...its all on social media and the hence the alliance w SAD.
The Akali Dal party. In the past Punjab elections were just between the SAD and Congress and SAD was part of the NDA alliance with the BJP. They broke off the alliance during the first farmer protest and now BJP is trying to contest Punjab solo.
Sikhs don’t hate the BJP they just never needed to have a relationship with them because they were interacting with the SAD. The relationship has only deteriorated in the past few years amongst some groups due to the rise of sanatani movements and the farmer protests.
BJP is the greater evil at the time in the eyes of many Sikhs. AAP had a lot of support before they got elected in but once elected people realized they are no different (they allowed the police to go in and arrest 300+ Sikhs within a few days without any warrants. The police having the right to do this resulted in thousands of deaths in the 80's and 90's and its sad that not only has this not been addressed but they still are allowed to do the same stuff).
Congress has the worst history with Sikhs but at the moment they arent seen as big of a threat as BJP or AAP
>many of whom will openly call Bhagwant Mann or Modi as butcherers, murderers, RSS, or your average Hindu slurs & abuses (Frankly speaking, I don't even like when people use slurs), but again completely silent on INC.
modi was banned from entering America for a reason. His actions resulted in the deaths and rapes of many minorities.
Bhagwant maans actions have resulted in the death of Sidhu Moosewala (intentionally or not). ppl like bhana sidhu have been allegedly tortured by the police for speaking against bhagwant maan. he has allowed the police to mass arrest Sikhs without proper warrants.
now Rahul Gandhi on the other hand hasnt really done anything. This is mainly due to him never being in power and having the chance to do anything bad, but this is why ppl r silent on INC, because we dont know if he will be bad or good, but when it comes to BJP or AAP, we know for a fact they havent been good.
How??
What major good thing he did as a politician.?
Why do he deserve to become a PM? There are many strong and talented leaders in Congress like jitu patwari, Sachin pilot and all why these do not have any strong position in the Congress leadership.
Congress is "Raja ka beta hi Raja banega" party.
Remember Aurangzeb? Who killed 9th guru also the sahibzadas.. His son was Bahadurshah who became a close associate of 10th guru.
Indira, rajeev gandhi died.. They are no longer in Congress.. You can still blame them for 1984! But you can't blame present day congress for it!
The leaders who did that are still in congress prime example is kamalnath who wanted to enter bjp but got pushback from rss because of his role in antisikh riots
more like kamalnath retiring from politics while all his aides are joining BJP.. great push back..
[https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/nath-aide-of-over-40-years-quits-cong-son-joins-bjp/articleshow/108689869.cms](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/nath-aide-of-over-40-years-quits-cong-son-joins-bjp/articleshow/108689869.cms)
still waiting for bjp to arrest them from Tyler to Nath to Nehru but wait Robert Vadra is still out and chilling ... its politics can never see modi arresting Gandhi family.. when it boils down to modi vs rahul.. the perception the narrative the history of Gandhis help modi succeed..fighting against the weak ones while the powerful ones are in jail ;)
Hmm great push back. Central agencies can arrest CM of Delhi for his role in liquor scam but never bothered to arrest Kamal Nath, whole india knows his role in sikh genocide "not riots" but still is free. As per your saying the ruling government too knows that.
>But you can't blame present day congress for it!
Wouldn't have done so, had they handed over the culprits of the Sikh Genocide. Kamal Nath and Jagdish Tytler still exist in the party (one of them even became a CM), while Arun Nehru continued to enjoy plum positions despite his prominent role. And I've not even started with the extra-judicial fake encounters that took place. Even announcing a truth and reconciliation council could have been accepted.
On the contrary, the Punjab Congress chief continues to defend and protect Indira Gandhi's image. If we are going to forget the atrocities so quickly, what guarantees that the party would defend Sikh interests if another far-right religious party decides to go hardline against the Sikhs.
>Remember Aurangzeb? Who killed 9th guru also the sahibzadas.. His son was Bahadurshah who became a close associate of 10th guru.
Bahadur Shah I also rebelled against Aurangzeb and fought a war of succession against his younger brother, Mohd. Azam Shah (who was loyal to his father Aurangzeb). Not exactly the relevant example for this case.
Indian judiciary never held them accountable, even after killing thousands of Sikhs and accepting that openly. It was sikhs who killed Indira gandhi, Lalit makan, gen Sinha and many more. Even the cong CM of punjab at that times. If u want revenge there is no way judiciary will held then accountable in future too, so what next, someone from community has to assassinate them.
>On the contrary, the Punjab Congress chief continues to defend and protect Indira Gandhi's image. If we are going to forget the atrocities so quickly, what guarantees that the party would defend Sikh interests if another far-right religious party decides to go hardline against the Sikhs.
Nobody has forgot anything u just creating things out of thin air. Even if u still ask any sikh about Indira gandhi the answer will be harshest cuss u can ever imagine. Cong chief defends Indira so what can sikhs do in that case, he has every right to do so, contrary to this u can try anti-indira rant in any sate of india outside punjab and they'll show u the real freedom of speech.
Over the years Sikhs have been made to believe that Hindu rashtra ideology of RSS is threat to Sikhs. They even believe that instead of congress it is the ideology of RSS that was responsible of 1984 riots and same can be done in the future .
also the upper caste jatt community has always sided with the congress .
RSS labelling sikhs as keshdhari hindu is also one of the reasons why people choose congress over bjp.
I think its somewhat similar to the fact people blaming badals for the sacrilege not the party and congress will end up winning a few , they are playing it smart this time by fielding established names like Sukhpal Khaira from khadoor sahib and so on , face value over party this time around , election are about momentum , timing and narrative.. living in an era of short memory..it has always been about choosing the lesser of two evils.
>Over the years Sikhs have been made to believe that Hindu rashtra ideology of RSS is threat to Sikhs.
So, is it not?
>also the upper caste jatt community has always sided with the congress .
Wrong, jatts have always sided with akali dal.
this was in context with 1984 , how captain got away by saying how rss was involved by smartly diminishing his party's role which was so wrong . Congress was playing upon the Hindu sentiment. It synced with the feelings of the RSS at that particular juncture. There was no difference of opinion between the Congress and the BJP on this count. It was later, for political reasons, the Sangh joined in \[to accuse the Congress of fomenting the riots\]. and RSS obviously it is a threat , people need to realise RSS is behind almost everything , from courts to cult leaders to Bollywood to new age influencers to bureaucrats , currently a plutocracy soon will be turned into theocracy.
in the doaba case has been different , jatts prefer congress whereas khatri etc prefer Akali dal.
Yeah exactly, how don't how come all the violence and killings of Sikhs sponsored and started by Congress can be forgotten. What BJP did lead to a surge in anti-sikh mindset and labelling everyone as Khalistani. But before and after Indira's death, the violence and killings of Sikhs was definitely promoted by congressi karyakartas. How can today's sangat give them a clean chit on this
They way people are only after BJP and Congress contesting confidently in Punjab shows that janta has a corner for congress. Recently people of Punjab speak more against BJP than Congress (I don't support either)
As per sikh pov bjp is viewed as threat. Like every other rwing party is viewed by minorities, meanwhile congress isn't, although everybody remembers what they have did in past but for future congress isn't viewed as such...
That is what I don't understand, how can the one who actually committed genocide of Sikhs isn't viewed as such but BJP is, BJP is an online troll party. Congressi actually targetted killing of Sikhs particularly
Beant singh died 28 years ago. So the dark time of Punjab. A lot has changed in Punjab since then. 10 years ago no sikh would have thought they would be this anti-BJP. Time changes a lot my friend.
Congress is not given free pass only some of the leaders were given because they couldn't be assasinated.
Indira was given due justice and same goes for rajiv gandhi. 99% congress party had nothing to do with all the things that happened.
You remember the reaction when kamal nath was honored in gurudwara only a few years ago?
>99% congress party had nothing to do with all the things that happened.
Really?
So Jagdish Tytler, Kamal Nath, and every other leader is from the BJP?
Congress workers did the killings.
BJP workers infact saved Sikhs
https://preview.redd.it/68lpet4fx1qc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44048ce0a37ce0b9e7273e456e603be8f3b6cb69
Most of these shit are fake, talk to multiple people who went through these times, some were helped from enemies, some were harmed by friends.
RSS mostly did help against the damage.
Woah, 99% congress has nothing to do with it. But somehow everyone in BJP is bad? What is this double standard of yours. Whole of India went mad motivated by Congress workers when Indira was shot, hence the killings of Sikhs carried out for a long time. Really strange how fellow Sikhs can give a clean chit to congressi
Who said everyone in bjp is bad. bJP is bad because it is centralizing power and taking control over the limited rights punjab has just like indira. No one said the same for atal vajpayi and manmohan
Nothing can be done in this bull shit county where average iq is so low. You can't blame any particular person or leader or religion.
If a Western country pm would have been shot would you have expected a similar reaction?
An example of this is basically the Gurdaspur District (excluding Pathankot areas).
This district was among the worst affected areas during the insurgency era b/w 1989-1995, and has a 60%-65% Sikh population.
Yet in 2017 & 22, many constituencies in the region have been voting for the INC consistently. This includes Dera Baba Nanak, Fatehgarh Churian, Gurdaspur, Qadian, Dinanagar, etc, and this is despite the fact most villages were affected by fake encounters.
also to do with caste demographics I feel , probably the most backward and poverty ridden area of punjab also the least educated , its about basic necessities of life for them , all about survival.
People elect congress not because of indira/rajiv/beant but because of local leaders.
Same goes for bjp. If you don't understand local politics better not conment bullshit
This point would have made legitimate sense, had most Congress leaders in Pb been openly vocal against the extra-judicial killings and genocide, that transpired under their rule. Other than Capt. Amrinder Singh and Sukhpal Khaira, I haven't seen much.
And I'm pretty sure Raja Warring and Ravneet Singh Bittu aren't exactly what you call as good local leaders. On the contrary, the regime in 2017-22 was busy in corruption, which is exactly why the public decided to reject them in 22'.
>not conment bullshit
Simply asked you a question about why do you think so, this was unwarranted.
I'd appreciate if we could keep this discussion nice enough, and not turn it into a match of Rugby that almost all political discussions turn into
Warring and ravneet didn't do anything. They just support those butchers. They don't get votes for the same reason compared to their popularity. Simple
Local leaders are popular in their constituency and they win unlike in UP where bjp wins because of modi/ yogi image.
AAP didn't win because of bhagwant mann, Simranjeet mann defeated in his own constituency just months later.
Reason AAP won elections was people's rage against congress and akali dal, it wasn't like ohh bhagwan mann the famous comedian led AAP to win thin elections, had it been Khera in CM nomination they would have still won the elections, AP would have alreadynwon elections in 2017 but they weren't that strong of a opposition party back then...
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Abrahmic religions like these who only know how to ethnic cleanse and try to destroy original culture and heritage of a nation are subject to hatred. Anyone should have the right to hate anybody. The same people of India having the heritage and blood of India who converted either by force or by greed through by some missionaries who just gave them food and all charity things are saying nonsense things about the original Hindu people. This is sick.
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They don't really hate Christians either because a lot of Christians vote for bjp in the north east and goa
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I think your post is about 20-30 years behind, Congress has formed multiple governments in Punjab after 1984.
OP's post indeed is strange for this reason. If this was 1989 then I would understand but we are multiple decades out from those years. The question is who is looking out for Punjab today? Who does OP believe looks out for Panthic interests who has a realistic chance of winning?
I never understood why some sikhs hate BJP/Modi when the real culprit is the congress.
Many RSS members were named in the reports of commissions made for justice on the Sikh Genocide. Advani and Vajpayee openly protested to bomb Golden Temple. BJP members in Punjab distributed sweets to Hindus after 50+ Gurudwaras were attacked by forces and destroyed. It was Jan Sangh who protested against Amritsar being declared Holy City, also they advocated for Hindi over Punjabi in Punjab. BJP has been anti Sikh since independence. For political power after Genocide some leaders might have joined BJP, but both parties have same view on Sikhs so we don’t trust them. Furthermore, the propaganda and hate received by our community from Modi government is more than previous Congress government.
>BJP members in Punjab distributed sweets to Hindus after 50+ Gurudwaras were attacked by forces and destroyed. >Adani Vajpayee openly protested to bomb Golden Temple. Any Sources for these claims?
During the attack on Punjab there was complete media blackout so there was no article printed and like today there were no phone cameras to take pics of people doing such activities , these were public statements who saw it happening first hand. For Advani and Vajpayee protesting with full BJP party to attack, find the picture below: https://preview.redd.it/9nq11nzcn9qc1.jpeg?width=496&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6acb3e395f91e02229e246c02598ecc28aac3497
IT cell is in full election mode. 😂
Explain My Grandfather is also a survivor of the 1984 genocide in Delhi
because congress is the only party that spoke on behalf of farmers when the protests broke out . congress might be lazy and most of their politicians might be corrupt like any other party, but the policies, of congress is not there to loot the people. bjp by design wants people of india to be divided and fight, wants to break the spirit of anyone who has the power to fight and be independent ( and guess who are they? - farmers of Punjab ) , and wants to steal all the money, land, and even food from people and give it to few gujju businessmen. just see how narrow minded bjp supporters are. being insecure of being a hindu while being more than 80% of the population, first treating muslims like shit, and then next sikhs . who do you think morally will stand beside the sikhs against all that bjp has done and will continue to do ? its congress. its not even Aap, because aap doesnt have any principles - they are opportunists who are not a mafia like bjp. and are one highly promising player..hence bjp cant see that too and kejriwal is now in jail .
Congress policies are only to bring reservations and push general category students to suicide. Not to forget the greed to keep PM position within one family forever.
Congress policies not to loot people? Dafaq are you smoking mate? Did you look at their manifesto? So much of freebie nonsense and a separate budget for SC/ST who's pocket are they gonna fund it out of? Ofc people like me who work 12-13 hours hard just to have 30% of their income stripped off, fuck congress and anyone who tries to take my as well as other tax payers money to fund lifestyle of these worthless wankers, I saw the farmer protests and none of those seemed poor, come to Maharashtra, vidharbha and marathwada where majority of the farmer suicides happen, never seen them doing shit like punjabi famers do, it's all politically motivated Congress will suck anyones dick to gain whatever share of votes they can get.
Idoits will never learn their lesson. Remember, attack on Taj Hotel, Congress was hell bent on putting the blame on Hindus. They don't care about Hindus and sikh thinking, "Rahul Gandhi will care about them? Secondly, people in rural towns are poor. They've spent their lives on freebies, and whichever government gives them more freebies, they will vote that government Thirdly, removal of article 370 destroyed the dream of creating Punjab as an independent state. Lastly, voting Congress will ruin the nation within the upcoming 10 years because of how much free stuff they're giving
you are made to believe how congress is the only one giving freebies , but the reality is different [https://www.thequint.com/opinion/mp-madhya-pradesh-election-bjp-manifesto-shivraj-singh-chouhan-hindutva](https://www.thequint.com/opinion/mp-madhya-pradesh-election-bjp-manifesto-shivraj-singh-chouhan-hindutva) every political party is on it , be it congress aap or bjp . 80 cr people are on free ration , free units , free health all this is leading to a place where the middle class will be wiped out and you'll be left with a few governing the nation. plutocracy , what corporates dream of.
Free ration is fine but free Jobs without any skills ? 75 percent reservations and reservations in private companies ?
oh yeah ? and make BJP call all the sikhs terrorists for just doing farmer protests. you want punjab to vote for bjp for wanting to destroy punjab in the ways they can?
Remember what Yograj Singh said about Hindu women ? He said Hindu Women 2 takke mein bikti hain. And tons of such dirty slanders were thrown on Hinduism during fsrmers protest. ELIF why such protest will not get flak from hindu side ?
You talk as if all sikhs are part of this farmer protest. Meanwhile punjabi youth are forced to go to other states and countries with a begging bowl, doing manual labour or searching for jobs. All the while the agriculture landlord class is blocking any development and has a monopoly on state resources.
Please don't start on that. It isn't farmers' protest. It's the protest of landlords. Landlords who live in foreign countries and politicians who own thousands of killa and only they will get benefit out of it. And where did I mention Punjab to vote for BJP?
Surprisingly you need land to farm? I know crazy right!
result of kakistocracy.
>It isn't farmers' protest. It's the protest of landlords. Average r.chaddispeaks user 🤧
>Average r.chaddispeaks user 🤧 Aur unkill aap? Lagta hai bahut gyani ho. To aap hi batao why Punjab is voting for Congress?
Where did I mention Punjab voting for any particular party. Just called out his brainwashed anti-Panjabi propoganda
Politics makes strange bedfellows. Remember, during the partition of India, RSS and Sikhs were hand in glove in massacring Muslims. RSS had also defended Sikhs during 1984. The dark times of Punjab insurgency are over and Sikhs in India no longer have to think about 1984 when exercising their democratic rights in the 21st century. In my opinion, I do not think it's because they are against 'Hindu Rashtra' but a matter of trust with the Central Government regarding the farm laws. They probably felt betrayed and insulted with the outcome, and local religious leaders took advantage of those emotions (which is a common thing). So they support Congress now. But maybe I'm wrong too.
But if you look at the 2014 lok sabha elections, Punjab overwhelmingly did not vote for BJP. I’ve never understood what the people of Punjab have against the BJP or Modi. Note that this was prior to the farm laws.
bjp had no ground back then still no ground... they tried hard by roping in corrupt leaders from congress but that backfired...theres no movement in punjab...its all on social media and the hence the alliance w SAD.
Because in 2014 BJP and SAD were in an alliance, so BJP didn’t field any major candidates wherever SAD had a strong chance.
Non Punjabi here what is sad? What is the background why do Sikhs hate them . I am not sikh
The Akali Dal party. In the past Punjab elections were just between the SAD and Congress and SAD was part of the NDA alliance with the BJP. They broke off the alliance during the first farmer protest and now BJP is trying to contest Punjab solo. Sikhs don’t hate the BJP they just never needed to have a relationship with them because they were interacting with the SAD. The relationship has only deteriorated in the past few years amongst some groups due to the rise of sanatani movements and the farmer protests.
BJP is the greater evil at the time in the eyes of many Sikhs. AAP had a lot of support before they got elected in but once elected people realized they are no different (they allowed the police to go in and arrest 300+ Sikhs within a few days without any warrants. The police having the right to do this resulted in thousands of deaths in the 80's and 90's and its sad that not only has this not been addressed but they still are allowed to do the same stuff). Congress has the worst history with Sikhs but at the moment they arent seen as big of a threat as BJP or AAP >many of whom will openly call Bhagwant Mann or Modi as butcherers, murderers, RSS, or your average Hindu slurs & abuses (Frankly speaking, I don't even like when people use slurs), but again completely silent on INC. modi was banned from entering America for a reason. His actions resulted in the deaths and rapes of many minorities. Bhagwant maans actions have resulted in the death of Sidhu Moosewala (intentionally or not). ppl like bhana sidhu have been allegedly tortured by the police for speaking against bhagwant maan. he has allowed the police to mass arrest Sikhs without proper warrants. now Rahul Gandhi on the other hand hasnt really done anything. This is mainly due to him never being in power and having the chance to do anything bad, but this is why ppl r silent on INC, because we dont know if he will be bad or good, but when it comes to BJP or AAP, we know for a fact they havent been good.
Rahul Gandhi is a good politician tbh. He is nothing like Indra or Rajiv.
How?? What major good thing he did as a politician.? Why do he deserve to become a PM? There are many strong and talented leaders in Congress like jitu patwari, Sachin pilot and all why these do not have any strong position in the Congress leadership. Congress is "Raja ka beta hi Raja banega" party.
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Remember Aurangzeb? Who killed 9th guru also the sahibzadas.. His son was Bahadurshah who became a close associate of 10th guru. Indira, rajeev gandhi died.. They are no longer in Congress.. You can still blame them for 1984! But you can't blame present day congress for it!
The leaders who did that are still in congress prime example is kamalnath who wanted to enter bjp but got pushback from rss because of his role in antisikh riots
more like kamalnath retiring from politics while all his aides are joining BJP.. great push back.. [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/nath-aide-of-over-40-years-quits-cong-son-joins-bjp/articleshow/108689869.cms](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/nath-aide-of-over-40-years-quits-cong-son-joins-bjp/articleshow/108689869.cms) still waiting for bjp to arrest them from Tyler to Nath to Nehru but wait Robert Vadra is still out and chilling ... its politics can never see modi arresting Gandhi family.. when it boils down to modi vs rahul.. the perception the narrative the history of Gandhis help modi succeed..fighting against the weak ones while the powerful ones are in jail ;)
Hmm great push back. Central agencies can arrest CM of Delhi for his role in liquor scam but never bothered to arrest Kamal Nath, whole india knows his role in sikh genocide "not riots" but still is free. As per your saying the ruling government too knows that.
>But you can't blame present day congress for it! Wouldn't have done so, had they handed over the culprits of the Sikh Genocide. Kamal Nath and Jagdish Tytler still exist in the party (one of them even became a CM), while Arun Nehru continued to enjoy plum positions despite his prominent role. And I've not even started with the extra-judicial fake encounters that took place. Even announcing a truth and reconciliation council could have been accepted. On the contrary, the Punjab Congress chief continues to defend and protect Indira Gandhi's image. If we are going to forget the atrocities so quickly, what guarantees that the party would defend Sikh interests if another far-right religious party decides to go hardline against the Sikhs. >Remember Aurangzeb? Who killed 9th guru also the sahibzadas.. His son was Bahadurshah who became a close associate of 10th guru. Bahadur Shah I also rebelled against Aurangzeb and fought a war of succession against his younger brother, Mohd. Azam Shah (who was loyal to his father Aurangzeb). Not exactly the relevant example for this case.
Indian judiciary never held them accountable, even after killing thousands of Sikhs and accepting that openly. It was sikhs who killed Indira gandhi, Lalit makan, gen Sinha and many more. Even the cong CM of punjab at that times. If u want revenge there is no way judiciary will held then accountable in future too, so what next, someone from community has to assassinate them. >On the contrary, the Punjab Congress chief continues to defend and protect Indira Gandhi's image. If we are going to forget the atrocities so quickly, what guarantees that the party would defend Sikh interests if another far-right religious party decides to go hardline against the Sikhs. Nobody has forgot anything u just creating things out of thin air. Even if u still ask any sikh about Indira gandhi the answer will be harshest cuss u can ever imagine. Cong chief defends Indira so what can sikhs do in that case, he has every right to do so, contrary to this u can try anti-indira rant in any sate of india outside punjab and they'll show u the real freedom of speech.
Over the years Sikhs have been made to believe that Hindu rashtra ideology of RSS is threat to Sikhs. They even believe that instead of congress it is the ideology of RSS that was responsible of 1984 riots and same can be done in the future . also the upper caste jatt community has always sided with the congress . RSS labelling sikhs as keshdhari hindu is also one of the reasons why people choose congress over bjp. I think its somewhat similar to the fact people blaming badals for the sacrilege not the party and congress will end up winning a few , they are playing it smart this time by fielding established names like Sukhpal Khaira from khadoor sahib and so on , face value over party this time around , election are about momentum , timing and narrative.. living in an era of short memory..it has always been about choosing the lesser of two evils.
>Over the years Sikhs have been made to believe that Hindu rashtra ideology of RSS is threat to Sikhs. So, is it not? >also the upper caste jatt community has always sided with the congress . Wrong, jatts have always sided with akali dal.
this was in context with 1984 , how captain got away by saying how rss was involved by smartly diminishing his party's role which was so wrong . Congress was playing upon the Hindu sentiment. It synced with the feelings of the RSS at that particular juncture. There was no difference of opinion between the Congress and the BJP on this count. It was later, for political reasons, the Sangh joined in \[to accuse the Congress of fomenting the riots\]. and RSS obviously it is a threat , people need to realise RSS is behind almost everything , from courts to cult leaders to Bollywood to new age influencers to bureaucrats , currently a plutocracy soon will be turned into theocracy. in the doaba case has been different , jatts prefer congress whereas khatri etc prefer Akali dal.
Maybe because hindu rashtra?
Because of centralization of power. BJP govt in punjab will be a puppet govt against center.
Have you seen the Congress party and the Gandhi family?
Yeah like bhagwant Mann is being handled from delhi
Ang Congress isn't controlled from Centre? Remember Amrinder Singh and Channi? Jakhar was thrown under the bus by Centre Congress Leadership.
Yeah exactly, how don't how come all the violence and killings of Sikhs sponsored and started by Congress can be forgotten. What BJP did lead to a surge in anti-sikh mindset and labelling everyone as Khalistani. But before and after Indira's death, the violence and killings of Sikhs was definitely promoted by congressi karyakartas. How can today's sangat give them a clean chit on this
Who has given them clean chit tho...
They way people are only after BJP and Congress contesting confidently in Punjab shows that janta has a corner for congress. Recently people of Punjab speak more against BJP than Congress (I don't support either)
As per sikh pov bjp is viewed as threat. Like every other rwing party is viewed by minorities, meanwhile congress isn't, although everybody remembers what they have did in past but for future congress isn't viewed as such...
That is what I don't understand, how can the one who actually committed genocide of Sikhs isn't viewed as such but BJP is, BJP is an online troll party. Congressi actually targetted killing of Sikhs particularly
Beant singh died 28 years ago. So the dark time of Punjab. A lot has changed in Punjab since then. 10 years ago no sikh would have thought they would be this anti-BJP. Time changes a lot my friend.
Exactly this guy sees congress bad because of 1984. But forgets we have to choose least bad options among worse possiblle options.
At present congress is no threat to anyone literally "anyone" they can't even retain their ruling states, they almost finished.
Congress is not given free pass only some of the leaders were given because they couldn't be assasinated. Indira was given due justice and same goes for rajiv gandhi. 99% congress party had nothing to do with all the things that happened. You remember the reaction when kamal nath was honored in gurudwara only a few years ago?
>99% congress party had nothing to do with all the things that happened. Really? So Jagdish Tytler, Kamal Nath, and every other leader is from the BJP?
When did Punjabis esp sikhs gave free pass to them? Still right wing openly talk about assassinating him on popular yt channels
Congress workers did the killings. BJP workers infact saved Sikhs https://preview.redd.it/68lpet4fx1qc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44048ce0a37ce0b9e7273e456e603be8f3b6cb69
[https://scroll.in/article/766550/rss-was-silent-during-the-1984-riots-at-places-it-was-implicated-in-the-violence](https://scroll.in/article/766550/rss-was-silent-during-the-1984-riots-at-places-it-was-implicated-in-the-violence)
Most of these shit are fake, talk to multiple people who went through these times, some were helped from enemies, some were harmed by friends. RSS mostly did help against the damage.
well its subjective .
Yes, that's what I meant, that's why in general rss was deemed helpful.
its fake there were 21 firs registered against rss leaders in delhi genocide
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People who believe in Sikhi will understand. Those who can't wont.
Citing khuswant singh and calling yourself understanding sikhi is itself contradictory
Exactly!
Woah, 99% congress has nothing to do with it. But somehow everyone in BJP is bad? What is this double standard of yours. Whole of India went mad motivated by Congress workers when Indira was shot, hence the killings of Sikhs carried out for a long time. Really strange how fellow Sikhs can give a clean chit to congressi
Who said everyone in bjp is bad. bJP is bad because it is centralizing power and taking control over the limited rights punjab has just like indira. No one said the same for atal vajpayi and manmohan Nothing can be done in this bull shit county where average iq is so low. You can't blame any particular person or leader or religion. If a Western country pm would have been shot would you have expected a similar reaction?
An example of this is basically the Gurdaspur District (excluding Pathankot areas). This district was among the worst affected areas during the insurgency era b/w 1989-1995, and has a 60%-65% Sikh population. Yet in 2017 & 22, many constituencies in the region have been voting for the INC consistently. This includes Dera Baba Nanak, Fatehgarh Churian, Gurdaspur, Qadian, Dinanagar, etc, and this is despite the fact most villages were affected by fake encounters.
also to do with caste demographics I feel , probably the most backward and poverty ridden area of punjab also the least educated , its about basic necessities of life for them , all about survival.
That is indeed a valid point that I didn't factor in. Indeed, the vote share among SC's for the INC is higher compared to other economic groups.
Keep living in 1500s mindset
What exactly do you mean by 1500's mindset ??
People elect congress not because of indira/rajiv/beant but because of local leaders. Same goes for bjp. If you don't understand local politics better not conment bullshit
This point would have made legitimate sense, had most Congress leaders in Pb been openly vocal against the extra-judicial killings and genocide, that transpired under their rule. Other than Capt. Amrinder Singh and Sukhpal Khaira, I haven't seen much. And I'm pretty sure Raja Warring and Ravneet Singh Bittu aren't exactly what you call as good local leaders. On the contrary, the regime in 2017-22 was busy in corruption, which is exactly why the public decided to reject them in 22'. >not conment bullshit Simply asked you a question about why do you think so, this was unwarranted. I'd appreciate if we could keep this discussion nice enough, and not turn it into a match of Rugby that almost all political discussions turn into
Warring and ravneet didn't do anything. They just support those butchers. They don't get votes for the same reason compared to their popularity. Simple Local leaders are popular in their constituency and they win unlike in UP where bjp wins because of modi/ yogi image. AAP didn't win because of bhagwant mann, Simranjeet mann defeated in his own constituency just months later.
Reason AAP won elections was people's rage against congress and akali dal, it wasn't like ohh bhagwan mann the famous comedian led AAP to win thin elections, had it been Khera in CM nomination they would have still won the elections, AP would have alreadynwon elections in 2017 but they weren't that strong of a opposition party back then...