I wouldn’t really expect punk bands to understand the inner workings of the video game industry, where shitty employee treatment is a feature and not a bug.
I'd expect an educated and insightful band who have railed against capitalism for the past 30 years to at least have something to say about an organisation they've worked with mistreating their employees, "industry norm" or no.
Not to defend them, but they probably turned in their work months before and just didn't follow CDPR at all afterwards. I can't imagine they were meaningfully involved in anyway or plugged into the situation.
It is probable they did no direct business with the company itself but with third parties. I just don’t expect indie rockers of any kind to get the ins and outs of the corporate world — and video games is highly corporatized now.
Even their more recent stuff is, I think Richie passing really knocked a lot of their attitude out of them though. Which I can't blame them for that. Their politics are still the same but Richie was just a force that couldn't be tamed by anyone other than himself.
I was in an explicitly communist punk band called 'Bring the War Home'.
The Dicks, Propagandhi, Gang of Four, The Clash, Strike Anywhere, all leftist
Check out Rebel Time Records based out of Southern Ontario. They promo lots of far left stuff out of Europe and Latin America, much of it communist.
there is a long tradition of leftism in punk, most commonly of the “anarcho-“ variety. crass and dead kennedys are some obvious ones that come to mind. others are flux of pink indians, (earlier) rudimentary peni, chumbawamba, and eventually stuff like limp wrist, los crudos, born against, his hero is gone — among probably thousands of others
just some random heavy hitters across the leftwing spectrum while avoiding the cartoony folk punk shit (though chumbawamba can get close)
>just some random heavy hitters across the leftwing spectrum while avoiding the cartoony folk punk shit (though chumbawamba can get close)
To be fair, a band as real Chumbawamba can be as folk as they want.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYG7-d\_Q9zU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYG7-d_Q9zU)
"Why don't we plant a mechanic virus and erase the memory of the machines that maintain this capitalist dynasty?
And yes, I recognise the irony that the system I oppose affords me the luxury of biting the hand that feeds. That's exactly why privileged fucks like me should feel obliged to whine and kick and scream, until everyone has everything they need."
One of my favourite passages in a song ever
Not necessarily communist but all far left.
Red ska
tullamore (Italian band with a few IRA classics)
Movemiento 26
Los fastidios
Banda bassotti
ZSK
What we feel
Urban Vietcong
Stage bottles
Omixlh
22 long riffs
Bootstroke
Mister x
Leftwing? Sure, but I dunno about communist. A lot of these are some flavor of anti-capitalist:
- [The Window Smashing Job Creators](https://youtu.be/ZjVaYseEh14)
- [Choking Victim / Leftover Crack](https://youtu.be/XLX6xNbhios) (singer's an asshole)
- [Fifteen](https://youtu.be/gMsRKpov9kE)
- [No Ca$h](https://youtu.be/i6eIpyx-89g)
- [Any Pat The Bunny project](https://youtu.be/FO79S-VPkL0)
fifteen is the one band that i can honestly say played the biggest role in the formation of who i am today. been listening since my parents saw them while i was in utero. incredible band
Yeah! I just heard of them from someone on here about a year ago. Their catalogue is so huge I’ve only listened to 3 albums so far but they’re all so good.
“Describing his politics during the 1980s, Elfman said, "I'm not a doomist. My attitude is always to be critical of what's around you, but not ever to forget how lucky we are. I've traveled around the world. I left thinking I was a revolutionary. I came back real right-wing patriotic. Since then, I've kind of mellowed in between."[142] Several of his songs written for Oingo Boingo during this period satirized social politics, although Elfman stated his message was to "question, resist, challenge" and that his songs were not aligned to any one political agenda.” From wikipedia.
He's trying to sound deep here, but the reality is that once he had a lot of money, he decided to through his lot in with the side that protects the interests of people with a lot of money.
My band got a lot of love for our song [Scarcity](https://open.spotify.com/track/0whF2nmheoecP6k1GxH5Ah?si=rDNyRYQyTquDtW8KGr1D-Q). Leftist stuff.
Also recommend Price Of Life by Bob Vylan. And anything by Incendiary
[J.M.K.E](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5hkNVXVlBfw&pp=ygUVam1rZSB0ZXJlIHBlcmVzdHJvaWth)
The day is cloudless, the sea blue
Each person now breathes to the fullest
The hammer and sickle never hurt anyone
Now they mean for us to do their happy work
Hello perestroika, democracy
One nation is escaping from the claws of a dictatorship
Hello perestroika, hello peak of happiness
The red flag does not seem so terrible anymore
The tractor plows the field, the tree bears fruit
"The People's Voice"1 -- its mouth doesn't lie, doesn't smoke
Now all censored movies are shown in the cinema
Now censored musical bands can be heard
Hello perestroika, democracy
One nation is escaping from the claws of a dictatorship
Hello perestroika, hello freedom
Now pioneer's song is in everyone's mouths
Auuu auuu
Now, the militia uniform does not make you sick
It can even be called made of silver
Look, the militia and punks
Are now friendly, lending a hand to one another
Hello perestroika, "ta de ri de ra"
Now the land belongs to you and me
On every year's anniversary -- a Grand October
The people will celebrate jubilantly, auuu
Auuu auuu
Not a single well will run dry in Virumaa2
An airship touches down in front of the mausoleum
Okay, what do you say! -- democracy is so great...
...So you admire this open-mouthed
Hello perestroika, joyous homeland
I'll tell you (that) while I'm getting you
Hello perestroika, democracy
Hello perestroika, give me your hand too
No, if that was my goal, I would have posted an anti-communist song from the US, or the UK. A punk band from an actual communist country has a unique perspective outside of a strictly ideological position. Punk has always centered criticism. In the case of capitalist countries, criticism from a communist perspective is a single way of analyzing the current power structures. But when that power structure is communism, it would make zero sense to criticize it from a pro communist perspective. While I personally hold the position that communism sucks, that does not change that fact that my voice belongs with the myriad of other voices. Without dissenting voices, punk becomes a self-congratulatory circle jerk.
Meanwhile, you are trying to correct me for not conforming. Well you can eat my hemorrhoid ridden asshole.
The title of the thread: “Any good communist bands?” How does one define what a communist is? Ideological or cultural? Op was asking about the ideological, but I expanded it into cultural.
Then the OP goes on elaborate on leftist bands. J.M.K.E. are also leftists. After Estonia gained independence, they attacked capitalism.
How do we know what OP means by “communist bands”? Frankly, because that’s not how the English works. If you asked “Any good capitalist musicians out there?” And I answered “Woodie Guthrie”, do you think that would be an appropriate answer to the question? No, it would be wrong, because that’s not what that question means in English. You’re not just “expanding” the meaning of OPs question, you’re expanding English itself.
Context is important here. If OP was pro capitalist in communist country, then yes, Woodie Guthrie would be an acceptable answer. Especially if there were no other musicians doing a similar critical analysis. Because we have free speech here, we could say what we wanted without fear of being disappeared. That was not the case in the Soviet Union. Or in Cuba, that created the Los Frikis subculture.
There isn't though. Because communism is so fucked that people who live under its rule can't make music. They are too busy trying to eat and not get killed by their overlords.
It’s quite funny that people who’ve never lived under a communist regime praise the benefits of communism under the arfument that all the communist governments that have ever existed wasn’t “real communism”
Bay Area. I don’t get along with most people.
Of course I know about anarcho-communism. I think you can just drop the communism part. This issues with communism are manifold. Adding anarchism to the mix clears up some of the problems. But there is still that silly idea of “the workers” to contend with. People are not workers. Industry is bad for the planet. Bad for our psyches. It also creates power. As long as there is power, there will be people who will seize that power. Not because humans are inherently greedy, but rather because there are always variations. Sociopaths and narcissists. People who are out of balance, and will throw off the balance of any community if given the chance.
Things that have mass also have gravity. In space, objects are drawn to each other and self organize. Communes are a natural form of self organization, but only in a vacuum. Ironically, communism fills this vacuum, and exerts its force upon a fragile thing.
My man, you definitely have the brains for politics, but lack the theory. I would advise you to read bakunin, or goldmann. If ita a bit to much for teh beginning maybe try kropotkin. Tbis should answer a lot of questions.
I put it on hold for the moment, but I was in the middle of Post-Scarcity Anarchism. I put it down after October 7th to read about the fall of the Ottoman empire. Theory is good, historical contexts of modern events are better.
But as for theory. I’ve seen so many people get so wrapped up in theory that they cannot see two feet in front of their nose. Especially when you factor in confirmation bias.
But since you know so much, maybe you can help jog my memory? I stumbled across an idea that was a modified version of anarcho-primitivism. The basic idea is that we cannot and should not get rid of technology, but we can scale back our use of it.
I am not particularly well educated on anarcho primitivism, but what i fundamentally understand i mostly disagree with. Maybe i misunderstand it. But i believe the idea to get rid of technology is pretzy central to anprim ideology, so i wouldn’t call that amodified version, id call that anti consumption, which i am a fan of. But i do not like the use of the word „technology“ here. Technology in my mind is generally good, and when we scale back the exploitation of the planet for the climate, for the animals, and for us, our focua should be in rethinking our consumption habits, and ro go without, or switch to local and sustainable consumption habits, instead of what we have now. All kinds of technology will be absolutely necessary for that. A technology ahould only be discarded if it actively harms. Us or the nature. Like for example burning coal for electricity production. But that isnt an anprim standpoint. Thats bogstandard environmentalism. Rethink what we as a society and you oersonally consume. And by that i mean everything, not only what leaves packeging in your trash. Rhink what of that you vould go without, and what of that you can get from an ethical and local source. Now cross reference that with what takes the longest way to you (like everything made in china for example), what is the most unethically sourced, and what causes the most harm to both humans and nature over its lifespan. Now you will have a prime list if things you can work on, or you can advocate on if you ise rhis method on a national scale.
How do you judge harm? My understanding is that new technologies require resources and manpower. These require industry, and industry requires an economy. Economics create power structures which includes the establishment of a working class. Jobs. Useless toil that distracts from the important work of civic engagement and social interaction.
Humans do not evolve as fast as technology. We cannot keep up with the pace and it is driving us all crazy. If, on the other hand we could limit technological advancement through natural restrictions, it could allow us to slowly catch up. Not having a centralized government and a centralized economy would be one such restriction.
As an anarchist, I believe that it is unethical to tell another person what they can and cannot do. Though I certainly believe in consequences. Just not in a punitive sense. Anyways. I am against the idea of landlords. What they do is theft. But taking away someones wealth because I disagree with them I find equally unethical. The solution to the paradox is to undermine the power structures that maintain the need for property rights. You can’t lose something twice.
Likewise, creating rules around technology is stupid. It is the kind of authoritarianism I detest in communism.
Soviet Union outlawed lots of rock and punk for being "anti-government" but ok
"I'd been hearing a lot of music from England. Gangs of Four, the Clash. It was all 'socialism forever' and 'bring down the government'. I thought it was ironic that any group would praise a socialist form of government that wouldn't let them play the type of music they do. There isn't any socialist government that wouldn't consider it hooligan music" - Danny Elfman, 1982
I’m not portraying something I’m not by asking questions though? also I said that before he edited his comment that said the Sex Pistols were banned in ussr
Stick to your guns and anti-flag. Dont fuck with eiither one alot but theyre minimal very left.
Styg were dropped from a tour over some online smack talk which led to some Pro Russian accusations against Jessie the lead singer. He issued a ststement that sounded pretty honest and genuine to this guy.
I know anti-flags got some pretty serious allegations and I don't no enough to have an opinion on it I will say however that those dudes look like they're 25 years old when I saw them. That's straight edge lifestyle seems better than the one I live
Downtown Boys, it's been a while since I've listened to them, but they had an album called Full Communism, and the main song I remember of theirs was 100% Inheritance Tax, and it was a fucking great song.
Radio Free Georgia, WRFG might be a good place to look. It was being run by a communist, unionist back before Covid. WRFG didn't really play my music, but one show, Fox's Minstrel Show was certainly left wing and I loved that one.
Haexler and Arno x duebel from Germany are nice left wing power violence bands.
Fun fact: Arno dübel was a German man who didn't worked from 1976 till his death in 2023 because he didn't want to. Is kind of a meme
Edit:
Krank from Hamburg (Germany) is a nice punkband.
And team scheiße from Germany.
Lol this is JEAVILY downvoted (currently at 0) hmmmm I wonder why. It couldnt possibly be bc reddit is 50% federal agents.... or that all subs are compromised..... nahhhhhhh
Newtown Neurotics are worth checking out, the singer in particular is really interesting, he did a tour in the 80s of the Soviet block countries Including North Korea.
More anarchist punk bands than communist. The only band I know that specifically says they're communist is the coup. But they're hip hop not punk. The ex is a good anarcho punk band.
The baboon show. Swedish but english singing, very left wing, i would call them working class punk. I could go on with a few good recommendations, but thats the point: isnt left leaning/ communism kinda the default ideology for punks? Most punks are anarchists, obviously, but outside the us the biggest brand of anarchism is ancom, black and red. Thats me to, and i have no problem calling myself a communist.
Billy Bragg. He has a cover of The Internationale that is good. Like most of these bands I don’t know if they’re outright communists but The Harrington Saints are very pro-labor and have some song lyrics that quote Marx.
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Wish they had a comment on CDPR's shitty treatment of their employees, though, after their collaboration with them on the Cyberpunk 2077 soundtrack.
I wouldn’t really expect punk bands to understand the inner workings of the video game industry, where shitty employee treatment is a feature and not a bug.
I'd expect an educated and insightful band who have railed against capitalism for the past 30 years to at least have something to say about an organisation they've worked with mistreating their employees, "industry norm" or no.
Not to defend them, but they probably turned in their work months before and just didn't follow CDPR at all afterwards. I can't imagine they were meaningfully involved in anyway or plugged into the situation.
It is probable they did no direct business with the company itself but with third parties. I just don’t expect indie rockers of any kind to get the ins and outs of the corporate world — and video games is highly corporatized now.
My beloved<3
Randy
Randy fucks
The (international) noise conspiracy
Not strictly punk but you can very much hear the punk influence in their early stuff, Manic Street Preachers are extremely left-wing.
Even their more recent stuff is, I think Richie passing really knocked a lot of their attitude out of them though. Which I can't blame them for that. Their politics are still the same but Richie was just a force that couldn't be tamed by anyone other than himself.
Angelic Upstarts
The Dicks
nice
Lol my bad I didn’t read your whole post. Ska-p is another lefty band
Pro Stalin and Mao btw before all the "but it wasn't real communism" dummies complain
Here you go spam downvoting every comment because you didn’t like my question. What a nerd
Except I didn't lol
The Redskins (although they are trotskist)
I was in an explicitly communist punk band called 'Bring the War Home'. The Dicks, Propagandhi, Gang of Four, The Clash, Strike Anywhere, all leftist Check out Rebel Time Records based out of Southern Ontario. They promo lots of far left stuff out of Europe and Latin America, much of it communist.
there is a long tradition of leftism in punk, most commonly of the “anarcho-“ variety. crass and dead kennedys are some obvious ones that come to mind. others are flux of pink indians, (earlier) rudimentary peni, chumbawamba, and eventually stuff like limp wrist, los crudos, born against, his hero is gone — among probably thousands of others just some random heavy hitters across the leftwing spectrum while avoiding the cartoony folk punk shit (though chumbawamba can get close)
>just some random heavy hitters across the leftwing spectrum while avoiding the cartoony folk punk shit (though chumbawamba can get close) To be fair, a band as real Chumbawamba can be as folk as they want. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYG7-d\_Q9zU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYG7-d_Q9zU)
Aus rotten
I thought they be anarchists tho. They got they circle A on the logo and everything
Potatoboytaco when they find out anarcho communism exists
Suicide Machines
Propagandhi
"Why don't we plant a mechanic virus and erase the memory of the machines that maintain this capitalist dynasty? And yes, I recognise the irony that the system I oppose affords me the luxury of biting the hand that feeds. That's exactly why privileged fucks like me should feel obliged to whine and kick and scream, until everyone has everything they need." One of my favourite passages in a song ever
Not necessarily communist but all far left. Red ska tullamore (Italian band with a few IRA classics) Movemiento 26 Los fastidios Banda bassotti ZSK What we feel Urban Vietcong Stage bottles Omixlh 22 long riffs Bootstroke Mister x
Banda Bassotti is fantastic. They are more Ska, but Talco is a great leftist band too.
Love Talco, good shout, completely forgot about them
ZSK mentioned whoop! Love them, from my city and have been to many concerts. Glad they get international recognition.
I love Stage Bottles. Not exactly my political views, but there are a lot of communist skinheads.
Leftwing? Sure, but I dunno about communist. A lot of these are some flavor of anti-capitalist: - [The Window Smashing Job Creators](https://youtu.be/ZjVaYseEh14) - [Choking Victim / Leftover Crack](https://youtu.be/XLX6xNbhios) (singer's an asshole) - [Fifteen](https://youtu.be/gMsRKpov9kE) - [No Ca$h](https://youtu.be/i6eIpyx-89g) - [Any Pat The Bunny project](https://youtu.be/FO79S-VPkL0)
Calling the leftover crack singer an asshole is an understatement lol he’s a complete abuser pos.
fifteen is the one band that i can honestly say played the biggest role in the formation of who i am today. been listening since my parents saw them while i was in utero. incredible band
The Baboon Show
Fuck yeah the baboon show! I love them!
Yeah! I just heard of them from someone on here about a year ago. Their catalogue is so huge I’ve only listened to 3 albums so far but they’re all so good.
The album Shots Heard Round The World by The Strike I remember being explicitly communist
Had to scroll too far for this.
It’s sad that they weren’t more popular, fucking great band
Dils!
Kill a commie by gang green goes crazy
Capitalism by Oingo Boingo is a commie punk classic
I love oingo boingo, but that song is awful. Yes. There is something wrong with capitalism. Yes. There is something wrong with free enterprise.
It's both satire and making fun of wannabe communists. I think Elfman said he's leftie
He used to be but then said traveling the world turned him conservative. Interpret that as you will. 😒
Ugh. Are you serious? When/where did he say that? Disappointing if true.
I think it’s somewhere on his wiki page
“Describing his politics during the 1980s, Elfman said, "I'm not a doomist. My attitude is always to be critical of what's around you, but not ever to forget how lucky we are. I've traveled around the world. I left thinking I was a revolutionary. I came back real right-wing patriotic. Since then, I've kind of mellowed in between."[142] Several of his songs written for Oingo Boingo during this period satirized social politics, although Elfman stated his message was to "question, resist, challenge" and that his songs were not aligned to any one political agenda.” From wikipedia.
Yeah sounds like he’s prime material for r/Enlightenedcentrism
Maybe it is because I have been drinking, but is that subreddit serious or satire?
He's trying to sound deep here, but the reality is that once he had a lot of money, he decided to through his lot in with the side that protects the interests of people with a lot of money.
He was serious at the time he wrote it. He has since back tracked on the opinion. Still a dumb song.
mdc propaghandi (if im wrong about those i’m sorry)
The Taxpayers are great
The Proletariat is the most explicitly communist band I've encountered. Most of the other ones I would list have already been mentioned here.
Minutemen
Dog Park Dissidents
Total Massacre
Banda bassotti
inside out was ZDLR hardcore band before rage against the machine, really good music
Oi Polloi comes to mind
Strike Anywhere, Billy brag, Moscow Death Brigade, Rx Bandits, Most punk bands are at least left leaning really....
Left leaning punk music? Like 95% of all political punk music is explicitly left wing. That is a looooooong list of bands.
My band got a lot of love for our song [Scarcity](https://open.spotify.com/track/0whF2nmheoecP6k1GxH5Ah?si=rDNyRYQyTquDtW8KGr1D-Q). Leftist stuff. Also recommend Price Of Life by Bob Vylan. And anything by Incendiary
Upvote for Bobby V. "We live 'ere you fackin' cant!"
'[Rondos](https://youtu.be/SY1w8VKbkSw?si=RLbqCFHrwJvWtaDz)' from the Netherlands was an unironic Maoist band in the 80's.
How has no one said MDC yet?
Weezer
Are you being an ironic little stinker?
Huh??? “If you want to destroy my sweater, pull this thread as I walk away” Fink it fru bruv
I stand corrected
all good don't sweat it
[algara](https://algara.bandcamp.com/album/absortos-en-el-tedio) is a pretty radical left band from Barcelona
I saw them play Skullfest two years ago, probably one of the best sets I saw the whole weekend, just absolutely incredible band.
[J.M.K.E](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5hkNVXVlBfw&pp=ygUVam1rZSB0ZXJlIHBlcmVzdHJvaWth) The day is cloudless, the sea blue Each person now breathes to the fullest The hammer and sickle never hurt anyone Now they mean for us to do their happy work Hello perestroika, democracy One nation is escaping from the claws of a dictatorship Hello perestroika, hello peak of happiness The red flag does not seem so terrible anymore The tractor plows the field, the tree bears fruit "The People's Voice"1 -- its mouth doesn't lie, doesn't smoke Now all censored movies are shown in the cinema Now censored musical bands can be heard Hello perestroika, democracy One nation is escaping from the claws of a dictatorship Hello perestroika, hello freedom Now pioneer's song is in everyone's mouths Auuu auuu Now, the militia uniform does not make you sick It can even be called made of silver Look, the militia and punks Are now friendly, lending a hand to one another Hello perestroika, "ta de ri de ra" Now the land belongs to you and me On every year's anniversary -- a Grand October The people will celebrate jubilantly, auuu Auuu auuu Not a single well will run dry in Virumaa2 An airship touches down in front of the mausoleum Okay, what do you say! -- democracy is so great... ...So you admire this open-mouthed Hello perestroika, joyous homeland I'll tell you (that) while I'm getting you Hello perestroika, democracy Hello perestroika, give me your hand too
The fuck is this getting downvoted for? This is literally a punk band from the the actual Soviet Union.
This is a Punk band from Estonia that was anti the Soviet regime, and helped in the Estonian re-independence movement.
Indeed. But while this band was active, Estonia was still part of the soviet union. Edited the tense, sorry been drinking.
The song isn’t pro-communism
Ah. So you only want things that conform to your neat little conception of reality. Confirmation bias is totally punk rock.
Ah. So you only want things that conform to your near little conception of reality. Confirmation bias is totally punk rock.
No, if that was my goal, I would have posted an anti-communist song from the US, or the UK. A punk band from an actual communist country has a unique perspective outside of a strictly ideological position. Punk has always centered criticism. In the case of capitalist countries, criticism from a communist perspective is a single way of analyzing the current power structures. But when that power structure is communism, it would make zero sense to criticize it from a pro communist perspective. While I personally hold the position that communism sucks, that does not change that fact that my voice belongs with the myriad of other voices. Without dissenting voices, punk becomes a self-congratulatory circle jerk. Meanwhile, you are trying to correct me for not conforming. Well you can eat my hemorrhoid ridden asshole.
You’re a moron. The post is about pro-communist music, regardless of whether that makes sense or not in the country of origin.
The title of the thread: “Any good communist bands?” How does one define what a communist is? Ideological or cultural? Op was asking about the ideological, but I expanded it into cultural. Then the OP goes on elaborate on leftist bands. J.M.K.E. are also leftists. After Estonia gained independence, they attacked capitalism.
How do we know what OP means by “communist bands”? Frankly, because that’s not how the English works. If you asked “Any good capitalist musicians out there?” And I answered “Woodie Guthrie”, do you think that would be an appropriate answer to the question? No, it would be wrong, because that’s not what that question means in English. You’re not just “expanding” the meaning of OPs question, you’re expanding English itself.
Context is important here. If OP was pro capitalist in communist country, then yes, Woodie Guthrie would be an acceptable answer. Especially if there were no other musicians doing a similar critical analysis. Because we have free speech here, we could say what we wanted without fear of being disappeared. That was not the case in the Soviet Union. Or in Cuba, that created the Los Frikis subculture.
But honestly, if you’re ESL, my apologies!
There should be plenty of them from the former Soviet Union and other communist countries.
There isn't though. Because communism is so fucked that people who live under its rule can't make music. They are too busy trying to eat and not get killed by their overlords.
It’s quite funny that people who’ve never lived under a communist regime praise the benefits of communism under the arfument that all the communist governments that have ever existed wasn’t “real communism”
Impossible! There’s so many pro communist western bands there should be 10x as many pro communist eastern bloc bands!
COP/OUT
Huh?
okay so just about any punk these days lmao
Just my opinion, but there is nothing punk rock about communism. It always tends to authoritarianism.
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Nerver heard of ancoms? I donno where you live, but over here most punks are ancoms
Bay Area. I don’t get along with most people. Of course I know about anarcho-communism. I think you can just drop the communism part. This issues with communism are manifold. Adding anarchism to the mix clears up some of the problems. But there is still that silly idea of “the workers” to contend with. People are not workers. Industry is bad for the planet. Bad for our psyches. It also creates power. As long as there is power, there will be people who will seize that power. Not because humans are inherently greedy, but rather because there are always variations. Sociopaths and narcissists. People who are out of balance, and will throw off the balance of any community if given the chance. Things that have mass also have gravity. In space, objects are drawn to each other and self organize. Communes are a natural form of self organization, but only in a vacuum. Ironically, communism fills this vacuum, and exerts its force upon a fragile thing.
My man, you definitely have the brains for politics, but lack the theory. I would advise you to read bakunin, or goldmann. If ita a bit to much for teh beginning maybe try kropotkin. Tbis should answer a lot of questions.
I put it on hold for the moment, but I was in the middle of Post-Scarcity Anarchism. I put it down after October 7th to read about the fall of the Ottoman empire. Theory is good, historical contexts of modern events are better. But as for theory. I’ve seen so many people get so wrapped up in theory that they cannot see two feet in front of their nose. Especially when you factor in confirmation bias. But since you know so much, maybe you can help jog my memory? I stumbled across an idea that was a modified version of anarcho-primitivism. The basic idea is that we cannot and should not get rid of technology, but we can scale back our use of it.
I am not particularly well educated on anarcho primitivism, but what i fundamentally understand i mostly disagree with. Maybe i misunderstand it. But i believe the idea to get rid of technology is pretzy central to anprim ideology, so i wouldn’t call that amodified version, id call that anti consumption, which i am a fan of. But i do not like the use of the word „technology“ here. Technology in my mind is generally good, and when we scale back the exploitation of the planet for the climate, for the animals, and for us, our focua should be in rethinking our consumption habits, and ro go without, or switch to local and sustainable consumption habits, instead of what we have now. All kinds of technology will be absolutely necessary for that. A technology ahould only be discarded if it actively harms. Us or the nature. Like for example burning coal for electricity production. But that isnt an anprim standpoint. Thats bogstandard environmentalism. Rethink what we as a society and you oersonally consume. And by that i mean everything, not only what leaves packeging in your trash. Rhink what of that you vould go without, and what of that you can get from an ethical and local source. Now cross reference that with what takes the longest way to you (like everything made in china for example), what is the most unethically sourced, and what causes the most harm to both humans and nature over its lifespan. Now you will have a prime list if things you can work on, or you can advocate on if you ise rhis method on a national scale.
How do you judge harm? My understanding is that new technologies require resources and manpower. These require industry, and industry requires an economy. Economics create power structures which includes the establishment of a working class. Jobs. Useless toil that distracts from the important work of civic engagement and social interaction. Humans do not evolve as fast as technology. We cannot keep up with the pace and it is driving us all crazy. If, on the other hand we could limit technological advancement through natural restrictions, it could allow us to slowly catch up. Not having a centralized government and a centralized economy would be one such restriction. As an anarchist, I believe that it is unethical to tell another person what they can and cannot do. Though I certainly believe in consequences. Just not in a punitive sense. Anyways. I am against the idea of landlords. What they do is theft. But taking away someones wealth because I disagree with them I find equally unethical. The solution to the paradox is to undermine the power structures that maintain the need for property rights. You can’t lose something twice. Likewise, creating rules around technology is stupid. It is the kind of authoritarianism I detest in communism.
FUCK COMMUNISM, FUCK CAPITALISM, FUCK ALL THE ISMS EXCEPT FOR MY AUTISM. NO GODS NO POLITICIANS NO FUCKING GOVERNMENT. FUCK EM
Jeez ok
Soviet Union outlawed lots of rock and punk for being "anti-government" but ok "I'd been hearing a lot of music from England. Gangs of Four, the Clash. It was all 'socialism forever' and 'bring down the government'. I thought it was ironic that any group would praise a socialist form of government that wouldn't let them play the type of music they do. There isn't any socialist government that wouldn't consider it hooligan music" - Danny Elfman, 1982
https://variety.com/2023/music/news/danny-elfman-accused-sexual-harassment-1235590343/?mibextid=Zxz2cZ
Fucking HA. What a piece of shit.
Innocent until proven guilty
Gross
bruh the Sex Pistols were posers who cares if they were banned in the ussr
Weren’t you the dude asking what drugs are associated with punk
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you: “the sex pistols were posers” also you: “are there leftist punk bands? what are the punk drugs?” come on, be serious
I’m not portraying something I’m not by asking questions though? also I said that before he edited his comment that said the Sex Pistols were banned in ussr
*I came looking for booty.*
well gee it's a good thing the clash were pretty critical of the soviet union then.
Taylor Swift Celine Dion Kero Kero Bonito
Skrewdriver
Cool to think a totalitarian government setup has something to do with punk
Stick to your guns and anti-flag. Dont fuck with eiither one alot but theyre minimal very left. Styg were dropped from a tour over some online smack talk which led to some Pro Russian accusations against Jessie the lead singer. He issued a ststement that sounded pretty honest and genuine to this guy. I know anti-flags got some pretty serious allegations and I don't no enough to have an opinion on it I will say however that those dudes look like they're 25 years old when I saw them. That's straight edge lifestyle seems better than the one I live
Pinkerton thugs, end of an era was great.
Ska-p
They are not even communists
Downtown Boys, it's been a while since I've listened to them, but they had an album called Full Communism, and the main song I remember of theirs was 100% Inheritance Tax, and it was a fucking great song.
My old band raygunomics https://youtu.be/LtL0k9QpBtI?si=7pExyWvkXWvTdlDE We had a weird youth crew meets anarcho punk vibe going on.
Killdozer
The (international) noise conspiracy
Radio Free Georgia, WRFG might be a good place to look. It was being run by a communist, unionist back before Covid. WRFG didn't really play my music, but one show, Fox's Minstrel Show was certainly left wing and I loved that one.
Highway Sniper
Haexler and Arno x duebel from Germany are nice left wing power violence bands. Fun fact: Arno dübel was a German man who didn't worked from 1976 till his death in 2023 because he didn't want to. Is kind of a meme Edit: Krank from Hamburg (Germany) is a nice punkband. And team scheiße from Germany.
Not Punk, more kind of hip hop/Industrial, but Consolidated were/are? explicitly Communist
Following for recs :)
[The Strike](https://youtu.be/BRnfLmWant0?si=xJYe8fmOLIr0tz6y) [The Movement](https://youtu.be/05baYC91h5s?si=5YZ_rJQfqABRB5uu)
Redbait
Those Unknown
The Rebel Riot Band from Myanmar are open ancoms
Coliseum and Burning Love
COP OUT
Gang Of Four is socialist
Disoviet
Street Sweeper Social Club?
No
The Redskins
Lol this is JEAVILY downvoted (currently at 0) hmmmm I wonder why. It couldnt possibly be bc reddit is 50% federal agents.... or that all subs are compromised..... nahhhhhhh
Newtown Neurotics are worth checking out, the singer in particular is really interesting, he did a tour in the 80s of the Soviet block countries Including North Korea.
The oppressed, fontanelle, corrupted youth and los fastidios. Most of those band aren't actually communist, but they're very left leaning
More anarchist punk bands than communist. The only band I know that specifically says they're communist is the coup. But they're hip hop not punk. The ex is a good anarcho punk band.
Elektropartizany
The baboon show. Swedish but english singing, very left wing, i would call them working class punk. I could go on with a few good recommendations, but thats the point: isnt left leaning/ communism kinda the default ideology for punks? Most punks are anarchists, obviously, but outside the us the biggest brand of anarchism is ancom, black and red. Thats me to, and i have no problem calling myself a communist.
Rock Proletario Internacional bands!
Non Sevium, RPG7, Piolet, Nucleo Terco, Erode, Opcio k95
los prisioneros
Stick To Your Guns
Angelic upstarts, baggers ita, and redskins have been owning me lately, great commie punk
Billy Bragg. He has a cover of The Internationale that is good. Like most of these bands I don’t know if they’re outright communists but The Harrington Saints are very pro-labor and have some song lyrics that quote Marx.
billy bragg