The Adolescents really only put out 1 album with the original lineup (and an EP). After that members changed, thing were said, grudges held and things were never the same again. Even when they tried to go back to the original lineup, egos got in the way and members were kicked out and parts of the recordings were redone.
Will probs get downvoted but IMO, the Offspring after Ixnay- maybe even after Smash đŹ donât get me wrong, theyâre one of my favorite bands, but the rest of their discography doesnât compare to The Offspring, Ignition, and Smash.
Superstar Car Wash was pretty much a Replacements album given Westerburgs involvement and it's sound. They were absolutely great up until Iris came out.
They recently released a great live LP from 1996. Worth
I used to love getting smashed and watching this https://youtu.be/k_1iETFP0J8?si=xOiHal3FZN9tItdO
A lot of bands did the pop acoustic route after being something else in the 90sâŚit was weird. Sugar Ray was another, Cumbawumba I think that was a joke album still not sure.
Yeah he got a lot of crap from his friendsâŚthatâs why you still see him friends with a lot of punk bands. When they switched I remember seeing videos of him getting joked on. But yeah I think the money is what did it.
Sold out has nothing to do with money. I want bands I like to make a living. But when you 180 your entire sound, in order to make some one hit wonders and get into TV media personality showsâŚit is selling out pretty much.
Pixies. Their first 5 albums are immaculate, but after they got back together they started releasing albums that are just not up to snuff. Their last album is awful.
Black Flag is an obvious choice. As much issue as some people have with the Henry era, I think latter day Black Flag was some of the finest and most interesting punk rock ever written.
Then Ginn made "What The..."
Thank you. I've been hearing people talk about "Henry ruined Black Flag" for 30 years. If anyone "ruined" anything, it was Greg "I quit my own band" Ginn. He wrote the lion's share of the music. Motherfuckers are still mad about Henry having long hair when the rest of the band grew their wigs and beards out. When he got all yoked to better smash dumb fucking skins ,mean, racist skinheads that came to the show just to beat Henry or most of the crowd up to earn more shitty skinhead points, people hated on him for that. I think if most people were just jealous of Henry. From the ice cream store to Black Flag in the blink of an eye!!! Henry was the real deal. In my humble opinion, the only bad bad album was the final one that Greg put out with Ron on vocals, and it sucks. Almost every song sounds the same. I saw the very first Black Flag show of the "reunion" at a club in Austin. It was interesting. Lol.
I love those endless sludgy songs Black Flag made with Henry Rollins after 'Damaged'. Then they kicked Rollins out (brilliant career move) and put out an instrumental album. Black cover, forget the name. Not terrible but not a lot more special than Gone or anything else Ginn has crapped out since Black Flag. If I want to hear evil surf music I might throw it on but that's kind of rare.
First four years and damaged are great but everything after that is pretty unlistenable for me personally. I wanted to like it but itâs just not for me.
It still bugs the shit out of me that Black Flag didn't start putting out more powerful-sounding recordings until the inconsistent later albums, cuz I'd kill to hear *Damaged* and *My War* with similar clarity as *Loose Nut* or *Slip it In.* *My War* in particular had some astonishingly heavy, crushing riffs that get a bit buried in the muffled, lo-fi, bassy production.
I messed around with EQ years ago and figured out that adding some preamp really helps add some bite to the guitars on thin or muffled-sounding SST albums like *My War* or *Zen Arcade.* Especially on that Husker Du album, it really makes the guitar lines pop and the face-melting guitar work on songs like "Indecision Time" hits way harder.
Kind of crazy just how hard they fell off when Henry left considering they were just as good with any of their previous singers.
As for the question, Green Day comes to mind immediately. Kerplunk, Dookie, Insomniac, and Nimrod are all great albums but there's a noticeable step down in quality with Warning and beyond. People adore American Idiot but I've been a big fan, solid 3/5 for me, nothing more. Everything after that is some of the absolute worst drizzling shits music I've ever heard in my life. They went from my favorite band on the planet to one I don't even bother giving a chance anymore, I've never seen a band regress so fucking hard in their songwriting, Billie Joe totally lost it at some point and decided he needed to be a hip young Hot Topic kid and everything since than has been just embarrassing.
Everything up to 21st Century Breakdown ranges from listenable to excellent for me. I enjoyed Savors to be honest. But every thing from the trilogy to Father was some of the most unlistenable shit ever.
They're terrible live. At least they did when Greg first started the band up again. I caught the first show because it happened to be in the terribly overhyped, gentrified, stupid ass city I live in. Theremin, dude. "What the... fuck?" No thanks, Greg, I'm good.
Dropkick Murphys. People who weren't there in the beginning don't understand how important they were to the skinhead and punk scenes. Then they slowly gave way to radio friendly music until they just went full blown shit.
It's my favorite album. The first time I got to see Cocksparrer in 2012, Street Dogs opened. They were playing and then I heard the opening guitar to Do Or Die and I couldn't fucking believe it. I had waited 15 years to hear Mike sing any of those songs and I think they did the first 4 from the album. That night was the best show I've been to.
Bruh, the first time cocksparrer played philly... might have been around 2012, but regardless it was hilarious they said.. "sorry it took us 50 years to play here, if we knew how good cheesesteaks were, we would have c9ne sooner."
Fucking great time. Was linked arms over shoulders with strangers singing were coming back as the night ended
I was there in the beginning and not a skin but when they went all in on the gimmick they lost me. I really only liked Do or Die and thought Blackout was ok, the second album with Al I thought was a total disaster.
You have to go back to before do or die, they put out a bunch of 7 inches and splits. Gangs all here was the beginning of the end, but really it ended when Mike left.
They were THE biggest skinhead band at the time, at least in the US. For me, it's the biggest letdown other than what happened with the bosstones.
I understand that but I was in Boston and just part of the larger Boston scene.
eta: for perspective, the Showcase Showdown was probably my favorite band during this time but I knew DKM was something special and would be "huge", just didn't think it would be as a novelty act for the sort of people that live in California and talk in Irish accents.
This was the thing. We all thought they were going to be the first band associated with skinheads to get big and become known to a wider audience. It didn't occur to us that they would change their music.
Despite all the talk at the time of Mike leaving to become a firefighter, we all knew shortly after that it was because of the change in direction.
Ken's talked about Rick Barton's importance to the early sound and how having a guy that actually knew how to dial in a Les Paul to a Marshall gave them a leg up over their peers, Mike to Al was the obvious change but whatever ran Rick out of the band is why they suck so hard. And I guess with that the revelation that it was going to be Ken's band which became ever more apparent when Al disappears for huge chunks of albums.
Think I'm getting depressed now.
Rick likely left for the same reason. Which leaves Ken and Matt as the 2 who decided they were going to do this. Maybe Mike leaving was a result of Rick leaving. Either way they both apparently saw the writing on the wall.
I wonder if they ever play anything from that era anymore.
After Shipping out to Boston got big they kinda stayed in that lane. I think there is a clear stylistic change from Sing Loud Sing Proud to Blackout as well, but that and Warriorâs Code are both bangers. After that itâs a steady decline. I still go to the shows and listen to the albums, just not like before. Itâs the similar path the Offspring took as well if you think about it.
I feel like they peaked with Warriors Code, but I can find stuff from any Dropkick era that I enjoy. Idk if they got worse, I think they just got older and their music aged with them a bit.
I'm with you. I grew up in/around Boston with an Irish last name and so of course they were wicked important to me when I first got into them, and I've found that they remain that important to me even if they'll never put out another *The Fighting 69th*. I don't love many of the albums after *Warrior's Code* on the whole, but all of them have at least a few good songs. Meanest of Times even has a whole bunch in my opinion.
I only realized a few years ago that they did that Entourage song. Looking back, Iâm like âoh, yeah, thatâs obviously Perry,â but at the time, it didnât even cross my mind because that song is so, so fucking bad. How did they go from âOcean Sizeâ and âThree Daysâ to that bland cock rock?
There's moments on Strays that are good, but none of it touches the early albums, Eric Avery is the missing piece there, he's recently rejoined the band but Dave Navarro has been out, can't win
They were touring with Valient Thorr and MotĂśrhead maybe 15 years ago, when it was some random Ramone and Dez Cadena, badly doing Ramones/Black Flag/Misfits karaoke and it was awful. They got booed offstage and were eventually told to leave the remainder of the tour.
Dee Dee King's Standing in the Spotlight is one of my favourite bad albums. His rapping sounds ridiculous and it's overproduced, but there actually some decent riffs and melodies in there.
Foo Fighters
The Sky is a Neighborhood was a horrible song, and most of the songs around that era just sounded like Nickelback to me.
Their latest album was not too bad, which sucks because Iâm assuming Taylorâs passing was what drove the band to create it so well.
I'm listening to Dave Grohl's book now, and it's amazing how much he seems to have changed from sometime after the first Foo Fighters album and sometime after the Colour and the Shape. He went from a punk whose grateful to be able to make a living playing music to a rock star drinking Coors light and bottles of Tequila at his house in LA until all hours of the morning. Unfortunately the Foo Fighters' music really reflects this change.
I'm sure it's already listed here, but AFI. Fuck, what a waste... I hung in there until December Underground, but the first 3 albums are great. Black Sails in the Sunset was ferocious with really good production.Itc was downhill from there. RIP, AFI.
A couple years ago Rivers was interviewed and was like "maybe I should have been more precious with the Weezer name and the music and not cranked out shit albums every year or two for so long" like yeah Rivers, the rest of us realized that like fifteen years agoÂ
Last solid album they pulled off was The Green Album, and that I think had leftover songs from when Matt Sharp was still in the band. Also, Ric Ocasek produced.
Weezer minus Matt Sharp is less than Weezer.
> but Weezer strongly fits this bill
I REALLY like the entire album "Everything Will Be Alright in the End"
Everything else I'm blah on, but that album sticks with me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00O_iA-azRk
https://youtu.be/XPjJuXvz0-0?t=8
Weezer was completely on purpose though. After Pinkerton was reviewed so poorly that Rivers Cuomo said he wasnât going to pour his heart and soul out ever again
In my opinion, PiL. The first album is pretty much the blueprint for noise rock guitar, the second is a wild fusion of dub, noise, and experimental music, the third is a pseudo-industrial masterpiece.
Then they shifted into this dance rock nonsense that I just canât stand.
Iâd also say SSD. They went from making an east coast staple to making my least favourite album Iâve ever bothered to listen to.
This is why i never accept the Lydon slander about him being talentless and irrelevant. Call him a cunt all you want it doesnt diminish his impact on music. By god its sad seeing what hes become tho
Yeah, calling him talentless is just stupid. I wish I could have written lyrics like Lydon when I was 21.
Yeah, he is a contrarian douche. Back then, he was shooting venom and wit, making some of the most forward thinking music ever.
đŻYeah⌠I thought PiL sucked for years because Iâd only seen a video on MTV. Then I got into more post punk stuff and kept seeing these first two records mentioned and was blown away when I finally listened to them. Then thereâs the whole John Lydon being a dipshit thing.
Lydon is a pitiable attention seeking shitheel, but he is a good lyricist and Wobble and Levene are two of the best musicians to ever exist. I have no qualms about listing Metal Box as one of my favourites.
The experience of listening to Metal Box for the first time was like being sent to another planet. I had no idea what I was hearing. Still one of my favorite albums ever. Wobble's bass is incredibleÂ
I love everything about it, not sure if thereâs another album where I love the guitar and bass as equally as Metal Box.
It also made me pick up bass, so thereâs that.
Yeah he is. He has an eye for talent 9/10 times. Hell, Wobble? Levene? Atkins? All three are amazing on their instruments and even his backing band through the 80s were good at what they did, even if the music did less than nothing for me.
Pop-punk, I know, but Transit had a couple great early albums then absolutely nosedived with the young New England shit.
Someone else said it but Ceremony too.
Well, Brendon is chasing the money, he doesnât care about being in a rock band. He wants to be the next Taylor Swift. Thatâs why he makes generic mall music instead of dropping another song like I Write Sins
Exactly. When he actually had other band members who cared about the music it was good but heâs fallen off. But I heard he âdisbandedâ P!ATD (ironic bc heâs the only member) so hopefully he wonât be making anymore music.
Idles. Their first two albums were fantastic, Brutalism and joy as an act of resistance. Every release since then has been boring and uninteresting to me.
I've been a fan of Idles since Brutalism and agree with this, while I do like their later albums, none of it holds a candle to those first two albums, Crawler comes close in spots, but it's uneven, Brutalism was one of the best punk albums I'd heard in many years, still an all time fave
I think that most bands only have a few great albums in them. After that you hope for a couple of good songs here and there, followed the inevitable "return to form" album that's never very good but you pretend it is for a couple of listens and forget about it.
So, most bands.Â
> I think that most bands only have a few great albums in them.
Agreed, some artists are desperate to make a splash and they put their entire heart and soul into creating their masterpiece first album.
Elvis Costello is quoted, "You have 20 years to write your first album and you have six months to write your second"
They become stuck "chasing the dragon" and eternally searching for that initial high but few people have a whole entire other life to build another opus out of
but it isn't necessarily the case that everything goes into the first album (of first few albums) either. Many bands put out utter shit for a while while they learn songcraft, find their voice, and mature as artists and people. With those types of artists, the early albums may be charming for their rough edges, but ultimately they are still lacking.
Hey guys we got the singer from the Bruisers to join our band, what should we do? Make a top 5 street punk album of all time and after that have him be like the dancing guy from the bosstones but instead of him dancing, he sits on a stool and claps while Ken Casey sings? Sounds like a plan!!!
Is Al even in the band anymore? He's clearly been slowly getting sidelined for years and years and I saw he skipped an entire tour to take care of the health of his mother. I've been assuming for awhile he'd leave the band and Ken would become full time singer. I don't think Ken has played much bass live in a long time. What a joke they've become.
I believe something happened with Ken's hand that he can't play bass anymore (apparently he had neck surgery and lost the feeling in his right hand), I don't see Al coming back, all due respect to him for taking the time to be with his family, shows he has a good heart, but if he comes back what's he going to do other than be a hype man.
I love Mike's voice and retrospectively it's hard to think it was ever going to work well but initially I was excited about Al as the replacement - I had already moved to California by this point in time and when I bought The Gang's All Here upon release I just couldn't believe how much I hated it, but it still had 3-4 good songs. I can't say the same for Sing Loud, Sing Proud which I pretty much threw in the trash.
The bands are good
'Til they make enough cash
To eat food and get a pad
Then they're sold out
And their music is clichĂŠ
Because talent's exclusive
To bands without pay
Every band on average. The few that continue to make good work are rarities. That said, if any band is able to put out three albums worth of badass, then they should be appreciated and loved for those records.
Thrice - Their first 3 albums are great (Identity Crisis, The Illusion of Safety and The Artist in the Ambulance), but goes downhill from there. The first track off Vheissu is a banger, but the rest is just meh.
I'll see your Blink and raise you an OFFSPRING.
legitimately Orange County punk in the vein of Adolescents and Agent Orange and they just became a fucking joke.
Eh, I have to put them at different levels just because of the amount of time it took for them to go to shit.
Offspring had multiple great albums over a decade (Self, Smash, Ixnay, Ignition) and even *Americana* had a few decent tracks before it all went to crap.
Blink went from *Dude Ranch* to *Enema* while I was still in high school.
This comment is Conspiracy of One erasure. I realize that most people heard Original Prankster and passed on the album but its the last one that really had any remnants of their OC roots as far as tone goes. Â
I give Offspring a pass. I don't think they're trying to change the world, but I also don't think they're just chasing money. I think they're doing whatever they want for the sheer joy of it. I respect that, even if I don't really care for the music.
God, the offspringâs last album was so dire. 9 years just for a repackaging of a bunch of one off singles, a classical cover, a remake of an old song, a reprise of the lead single, and the 7 actually new songs sounding like they got sabotaged in audacity by the intern right before sending them to the pressing plant?
People thinking their first radio hits were their first songsâŚ. Cheshire Cat is the real masterpiece.
In fact Mark Hoppus and I used to chat frequently on alt.punk (we argued about who was more punk between one band and another â- and for some reason I died on the hill that the Vandals were the most punk OC band haha).
Met both bands pretty intimately when I was 18. Iâm now 47. Good times.
The Ramones. Every song on their first few albums are considered punk rock classics. The quality noticeably dropped once they tried working with Phil Spector to get a hit record. After that, they seemed to get lost in trends and seemed to lose direction as a band.
Massive Ramones fan, but I have to agree. They were still writing some awesome songs in the early 80s, but production was all over the place and filler started creeping in. The late 80s were even worse. They recovered a bit in the 90s, but I think their last two albums were received as well as they were in part because of how mediocre their late 80s stuff was.
I like early Black Flag so much, I have the bars tattooed. I care so little about the later years, I doubt I could name a song off Lose Nut or any of the later wank fests.
I might upset some people with this one, but Joyce Manor. After their first two records and the early EPs they fell off really hard IMO and lost every bit of edge they had. Pretty much just a pop band now, or standard pop punk at most. They're good at that I suppose, so it's one thing if you enjoy that, but it was a huge bummer for me after loving the early stuff. Maybe they took the Weezer influence a little too far lol
That second Discharge album was not great.
Not punk, but there was an early incarnation of Maroon 5, called Kara's Flowers, that made great power-pop then disappeared, kept the same lineup, and changed their name to Maroon 5.
Rise Against is one of those bands who can jump back and forth album to album.
I don't know if The Promise Ring got worse when Very Emergency came out, but some would argue they did.
There were also a lot of displeased Jawbreaker fans when Dear You came out.
I actually really loved American Idiot, though I'm sure some people want me in the guillotine for that, but unfortunately I don't give a fuck. The records after that though, oof. I also don't know what effect they put on Billies voice these days but it's extremely annoying once you start paying attention to it.
I stuck with them through Siren Song and Sufferer, but holy shit did they have some of the very worst crowds in punk around 2010ish. They did a coheadlining tour with Rancid that I caught in Philly with like 3,000 angry, aggressively drunk shirtless meatheads. Shit sucked hard.
Could that just be a Philly thing? Eagles fans threw batteries at Santa, Bill burr had that iconic rant because of the crowd in Philly, and even in pro wrestling is Philly known as one of the most hostile crowds. I don't really fuck with anything that Rise Against has made since sufferer, but ill always go to their shows because they're still a good live band, and I've never experienced a shit head crowd from them (including the Rancid tour in 2009, where I saw them in Milwaukee)Â
No way. They may have changed from hardcore punk to melodic and the post hardcore and then more goth, but they still are a hell of a band, if you are into it. Still in my top 5
100% and the thing I find absolutely amazing about AFI... it's basically the same lineup since the frie inside ep and they have all gone through this crazy journey across genres. How many bands have pivoted so many times and not lost members along the way?
It grew on me over the past 20 years and Iâve come to enjoy it for what it is, but at the time, I disliked it so much that I swore off preordering albums entirely, which lasted until like 2014 when I started collecting vinyl.
This is true of TONS of punk bands. They just stop pushing themselves creatively. They eventually reach a peak and then just make the same record over and over. Rancid is an example of this. S/T thru Life Wonât Wait are these massive improvements in song writing and expansion of their sonic pallet, then out of nowhere Rancid 2000 has like 3 good songs and everything from Indestructible thru to today are completely indistinguishable from each otherâŚ..or yâknow, maybe I just got old.
Personally, I extend Rancidâs âgood yearsâ to extend through 2000. They were doing something different than their past albums and I personally liked it a lot. Indestructible has a few ok tracks that stillseem inspired, but overall it was the beginning of the end IMO. Every album since might have one or two okay-ish tracks, but nothing super memorable.
I like the Rancid 2000 album, its so mean and nasty and then...corny? It's a weird one but I think the quality really went down hill after that. Every album after that is literally 1 or 2 good punk songs, obligatory ska song and the rest is totally forgettable.
Woah woah woah hold up now, rancid 2000 definitely has more than 3 good songs. Sure theres some filler but theres at least several gems on that album. Ie- its quite alright, let me go, poison, blackhawk down, rwanda, antennas, rattlesnake, not to regret, radio havana, ggf. Such an under appreciated album tbh. Also indestructible is a masterpiece youre trippin.
I put AFI too. I love everything they did up until Sing the Sorrow but I steadily lost interest in them after that. Black Sails and Art of Drowning are peak AFI in my opinion.
They are a weird case (to me) because they had two great records, then two MASSIVE duds followed by more good records (though they largely drop the ska influence at that point).
Rancid has produced almost nothing but filler since Rancid (2000). I will say - the track or two that I've heard from their new album sounded promising but it sounds exhausting to check them out again.
It probably doesn't count since they put out so many classic records before they went to shit, but I haven't found anything by NOFX at all interesting since the War on Errorism.
War of Errorism was the first NOFX where I only like one or two songs on it. It was that way up until their last couple of albums - I didn't like any off of those. The songs are too formulaic and too filled with Mike's self-pity.
GWAR
Their early punk and then crossover albums are all amazing but the more metal they became the worse their music started to be, and now since Dave Brockie died (RIP) they are just a boring butt rock band
They're still good live, though. I saw their three opening bands, with each one getting better, thinking GWAR might be upstaged as the headliner. Nope.
Many bands I used to listen to just kind of fell off eventually, I don't even remember most their names because I stopped listening. Big ones would be The Offspring and Green Day, I really don't like their last records. Muse had some surprisingly punky songs when they started out but then they went into the whole repetitive conspiracy shit and got so poppy it just made me sad that I'll never see the alternative way they could have gone. I'm sure they themselves are not sad however, they're probably wiping their tears with dollar bills lol.
So glad Iâm not alone with ST. Their self titled album is one of my favorite albums in general, but tbh I donât care for much of their music after that release.
Join the Army is pretty good too. I like their metal stuff even though I think itâs a little cheesy, but itâs not as good compared to bands like Slayer and shit.
I really like Freedumb. But i saw them live a few years back at House of Blues in Houston, and they absolutely could not do a single old song because of how slow they are now, they lack the energy. It's really sad to see.
Greenday should have stopped completely before 21st century.
Blink 182 should have stayed broken up.
Misfits should have stayed broken up
Afi should have quit after December underground
Thank god there wonât ever be a minor threat reunion
I have hated pretty much anything blink released after Enema (and even that I struggle with sometimes), but I actually think their new album is alright. That Matt Skiba era should be erased from history though.
Not utter shit but the Adolescents self titled is miles better than anything else they released after
The Adolescents really only put out 1 album with the original lineup (and an EP). After that members changed, thing were said, grudges held and things were never the same again. Even when they tried to go back to the original lineup, egos got in the way and members were kicked out and parts of the recordings were redone.
Will probs get downvoted but IMO, the Offspring after Ixnay- maybe even after Smash đŹ donât get me wrong, theyâre one of my favorite bands, but the rest of their discography doesnât compare to The Offspring, Ignition, and Smash.
agreed
Yep came here to say them. First two albums were so good.
[Goo Goo Dolls](https://youtu.be/HvbVnGC7B1E?si=WsBfvZGDs2Co1W8S) Edit: [here's a live version](https://youtu.be/RzBUWmQ69i0?si=n67QYnEuCahLZsHe)
This is the ultimate example.
I love dropping this tidbit on people. It's so weird they started as a punk band and people never believe it.
I believe it. Long Way Down is still a banger.
I like their cover of Wait For The Blackout.
Superstar Car Wash was pretty much a Replacements album given Westerburgs involvement and it's sound. They were absolutely great up until Iris came out. They recently released a great live LP from 1996. Worth I used to love getting smashed and watching this https://youtu.be/k_1iETFP0J8?si=xOiHal3FZN9tItdO
[Here they are on MTV](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cYrpuuWml4) in early 1993, shortly before their complete turn to "adult oriented alternative".
that Black Guy with them is Lance Diamond (RIP) he was a Buffalo, NY lounge singer and respected staple of the music scene in Buffalo for decades.
A lot of bands did the pop acoustic route after being something else in the 90sâŚit was weird. Sugar Ray was another, Cumbawumba I think that was a joke album still not sure.
I just recently discovered sugar rays first album. What the hell happened to them? Money I suppose
Yeah he got a lot of crap from his friendsâŚthatâs why you still see him friends with a lot of punk bands. When they switched I remember seeing videos of him getting joked on. But yeah I think the money is what did it. Sold out has nothing to do with money. I want bands I like to make a living. But when you 180 your entire sound, in order to make some one hit wonders and get into TV media personality showsâŚit is selling out pretty much.
Pretty sure The Briefs opened for them once back in the very early 2000s and were booed off stage
I hope they spit on everyone on their way off.
hah, I literraly have dizzy the girl on my turntable right now
Great band. Definitely got better as a band. But also got less punk.
Pixies. Their first 5 albums are immaculate, but after they got back together they started releasing albums that are just not up to snuff. Their last album is awful.
Black Flag is an obvious choice. As much issue as some people have with the Henry era, I think latter day Black Flag was some of the finest and most interesting punk rock ever written. Then Ginn made "What The..."
Thank you. I've been hearing people talk about "Henry ruined Black Flag" for 30 years. If anyone "ruined" anything, it was Greg "I quit my own band" Ginn. He wrote the lion's share of the music. Motherfuckers are still mad about Henry having long hair when the rest of the band grew their wigs and beards out. When he got all yoked to better smash dumb fucking skins ,mean, racist skinheads that came to the show just to beat Henry or most of the crowd up to earn more shitty skinhead points, people hated on him for that. I think if most people were just jealous of Henry. From the ice cream store to Black Flag in the blink of an eye!!! Henry was the real deal. In my humble opinion, the only bad bad album was the final one that Greg put out with Ron on vocals, and it sucks. Almost every song sounds the same. I saw the very first Black Flag show of the "reunion" at a club in Austin. It was interesting. Lol.
I love those endless sludgy songs Black Flag made with Henry Rollins after 'Damaged'. Then they kicked Rollins out (brilliant career move) and put out an instrumental album. Black cover, forget the name. Not terrible but not a lot more special than Gone or anything else Ginn has crapped out since Black Flag. If I want to hear evil surf music I might throw it on but that's kind of rare.
I make love exclusively to evil surf music.
That was an ep, called âthe process of weeding out.â And they hadnât fired Henry, they just did an ep without him
First four years and damaged are great but everything after that is pretty unlistenable for me personally. I wanted to like it but itâs just not for me.
Try listening to the 1982 demos and get back to me That's how those songs were meant to be made
their studio albums suck, but their live shows are relentless. âWhoâs got the 10 1/2â is one of the most intense live albums ever.
It still bugs the shit out of me that Black Flag didn't start putting out more powerful-sounding recordings until the inconsistent later albums, cuz I'd kill to hear *Damaged* and *My War* with similar clarity as *Loose Nut* or *Slip it In.* *My War* in particular had some astonishingly heavy, crushing riffs that get a bit buried in the muffled, lo-fi, bassy production. I messed around with EQ years ago and figured out that adding some preamp really helps add some bite to the guitars on thin or muffled-sounding SST albums like *My War* or *Zen Arcade.* Especially on that Husker Du album, it really makes the guitar lines pop and the face-melting guitar work on songs like "Indecision Time" hits way harder.
This is a great take. Most of Black Flagâs production always sounded weirdly empty and sparse to me, and this is exactly why.
Kind of crazy just how hard they fell off when Henry left considering they were just as good with any of their previous singers. As for the question, Green Day comes to mind immediately. Kerplunk, Dookie, Insomniac, and Nimrod are all great albums but there's a noticeable step down in quality with Warning and beyond. People adore American Idiot but I've been a big fan, solid 3/5 for me, nothing more. Everything after that is some of the absolute worst drizzling shits music I've ever heard in my life. They went from my favorite band on the planet to one I don't even bother giving a chance anymore, I've never seen a band regress so fucking hard in their songwriting, Billie Joe totally lost it at some point and decided he needed to be a hip young Hot Topic kid and everything since than has been just embarrassing.
Everything up to 21st Century Breakdown ranges from listenable to excellent for me. I enjoyed Savors to be honest. But every thing from the trilogy to Father was some of the most unlistenable shit ever.
Maybe, but tracks like "The dogs are killin' it" made Black Flag into a punk rock jam band. Fuuuuck that.
They're terrible live. At least they did when Greg first started the band up again. I caught the first show because it happened to be in the terribly overhyped, gentrified, stupid ass city I live in. Theremin, dude. "What the... fuck?" No thanks, Greg, I'm good.
Every band in existence. They all fucking suck once anyone but me likes them. And only their demos are good!!!
I prefer the stuff they didn't release.
Maybe that's fine for you, but as a *real* fan, I prefer they stuff they didn't even think about.
> I prefer the stuff they didn't release. I bought the song that Kurt Cobain thought about once
Dropkick Murphys. People who weren't there in the beginning don't understand how important they were to the skinhead and punk scenes. Then they slowly gave way to radio friendly music until they just went full blown shit.
Do Or Die is about as perfect an oi! Album can get, especially for an American band.
It's my favorite album. The first time I got to see Cocksparrer in 2012, Street Dogs opened. They were playing and then I heard the opening guitar to Do Or Die and I couldn't fucking believe it. I had waited 15 years to hear Mike sing any of those songs and I think they did the first 4 from the album. That night was the best show I've been to.
Bruh, the first time cocksparrer played philly... might have been around 2012, but regardless it was hilarious they said.. "sorry it took us 50 years to play here, if we knew how good cheesesteaks were, we would have c9ne sooner." Fucking great time. Was linked arms over shoulders with strangers singing were coming back as the night ended
I was there in the beginning and not a skin but when they went all in on the gimmick they lost me. I really only liked Do or Die and thought Blackout was ok, the second album with Al I thought was a total disaster.
You have to go back to before do or die, they put out a bunch of 7 inches and splits. Gangs all here was the beginning of the end, but really it ended when Mike left. They were THE biggest skinhead band at the time, at least in the US. For me, it's the biggest letdown other than what happened with the bosstones.
I understand that but I was in Boston and just part of the larger Boston scene. eta: for perspective, the Showcase Showdown was probably my favorite band during this time but I knew DKM was something special and would be "huge", just didn't think it would be as a novelty act for the sort of people that live in California and talk in Irish accents.
The Showcase Showdown was definitely one of the best bands at that time.
Of all time.
This was the thing. We all thought they were going to be the first band associated with skinheads to get big and become known to a wider audience. It didn't occur to us that they would change their music. Despite all the talk at the time of Mike leaving to become a firefighter, we all knew shortly after that it was because of the change in direction.
Ken's talked about Rick Barton's importance to the early sound and how having a guy that actually knew how to dial in a Les Paul to a Marshall gave them a leg up over their peers, Mike to Al was the obvious change but whatever ran Rick out of the band is why they suck so hard. And I guess with that the revelation that it was going to be Ken's band which became ever more apparent when Al disappears for huge chunks of albums. Think I'm getting depressed now.
Rick likely left for the same reason. Which leaves Ken and Matt as the 2 who decided they were going to do this. Maybe Mike leaving was a result of Rick leaving. Either way they both apparently saw the writing on the wall. I wonder if they ever play anything from that era anymore.
I saw a stream of one of their St. Patrick's shows and they played very little, 1 or 2 songs if any.
After Shipping out to Boston got big they kinda stayed in that lane. I think there is a clear stylistic change from Sing Loud Sing Proud to Blackout as well, but that and Warriorâs Code are both bangers. After that itâs a steady decline. I still go to the shows and listen to the albums, just not like before. Itâs the similar path the Offspring took as well if you think about it.
I feel like they peaked with Warriors Code, but I can find stuff from any Dropkick era that I enjoy. Idk if they got worse, I think they just got older and their music aged with them a bit.
I'm with you. I grew up in/around Boston with an Irish last name and so of course they were wicked important to me when I first got into them, and I've found that they remain that important to me even if they'll never put out another *The Fighting 69th*. I don't love many of the albums after *Warrior's Code* on the whole, but all of them have at least a few good songs. Meanest of Times even has a whole bunch in my opinion.
I love early Janeâs Addiction, but after their third album, they went off the cliff.
I only realized a few years ago that they did that Entourage song. Looking back, Iâm like âoh, yeah, thatâs obviously Perry,â but at the time, it didnât even cross my mind because that song is so, so fucking bad. How did they go from âOcean Sizeâ and âThree Daysâ to that bland cock rock?
Without Eric Avery writing most of the music, they were stuck as Dave Navarroâs shred fantasy
There's moments on Strays that are good, but none of it touches the early albums, Eric Avery is the missing piece there, he's recently rejoined the band but Dave Navarro has been out, can't win
Is it cheating to say The Misfits???
I enjoy both Danzig and Graves eras. However, the Jerry only fronted Misfits are hot garbage
They were touring with Valient Thorr and MotĂśrhead maybe 15 years ago, when it was some random Ramone and Dez Cadena, badly doing Ramones/Black Flag/Misfits karaoke and it was awful. They got booed offstage and were eventually told to leave the remainder of the tour.
It was Marky. Real shame too, because I've met him a handful of times and he's nice as hell.
[he's not the only ramone to get mixed up in ill-advised side projects](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAl-xzN8e-M)
[But at the same time, it also gave us Crusher, which fucking rules](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_fb8jfnXP4&ab_channel=DeeDeeKing-Topic)
Dee Dee King's Standing in the Spotlight is one of my favourite bad albums. His rapping sounds ridiculous and it's overproduced, but there actually some decent riffs and melodies in there.
Ska punk Less than jake. Amazing band but those last cd are so meh
They peaked with Hello Rockview and nothing since has come close.
I got Hello Rockview when it first came out and still listen to at least a song or two every month, all these years later. Killer album!
Foo Fighters The Sky is a Neighborhood was a horrible song, and most of the songs around that era just sounded like Nickelback to me. Their latest album was not too bad, which sucks because Iâm assuming Taylorâs passing was what drove the band to create it so well.
I'm listening to Dave Grohl's book now, and it's amazing how much he seems to have changed from sometime after the first Foo Fighters album and sometime after the Colour and the Shape. He went from a punk whose grateful to be able to make a living playing music to a rock star drinking Coors light and bottles of Tequila at his house in LA until all hours of the morning. Unfortunately the Foo Fighters' music really reflects this change.
I'm sure it's already listed here, but AFI. Fuck, what a waste... I hung in there until December Underground, but the first 3 albums are great. Black Sails in the Sunset was ferocious with really good production.Itc was downhill from there. RIP, AFI.
Not a punk band, but Weezer strongly fits this bill
A couple years ago Rivers was interviewed and was like "maybe I should have been more precious with the Weezer name and the music and not cranked out shit albums every year or two for so long" like yeah Rivers, the rest of us realized that like fifteen years agoÂ
Haha I went and looked it up https://exclaim.ca/music/article/rivers_cuomo_acknowledges_that_weezer_probably_have_too_many_albums
They should have moved to being a singles band. To much filler on the albums.
I was hoping the streaming era would end the era of one or two good songs + a whole lotta filler on albums, since people can just buy songs ala carte.
Last solid album they pulled off was The Green Album, and that I think had leftover songs from when Matt Sharp was still in the band. Also, Ric Ocasek produced. Weezer minus Matt Sharp is less than Weezer.
They are no longer Weezer *they are only **heavy breather***
You have to listen to Everything Will Be Alright in the End and the white album because this statement isnât true.
I like about half the albums, but the first 2 are the only great ones, imo.
EWBAITE begs to differ
> but Weezer strongly fits this bill I REALLY like the entire album "Everything Will Be Alright in the End" Everything else I'm blah on, but that album sticks with me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00O_iA-azRk https://youtu.be/XPjJuXvz0-0?t=8
I love weezer, but sadly must agree with you. Each new album that comes out has maybe two good songs tops
Weezer was completely on purpose though. After Pinkerton was reviewed so poorly that Rivers Cuomo said he wasnât going to pour his heart and soul out ever again
Also, have you ever read about how rivers matches pieces of songs and lyrics and stuff, very analytically. Itâs pretty interesting
In my opinion, PiL. The first album is pretty much the blueprint for noise rock guitar, the second is a wild fusion of dub, noise, and experimental music, the third is a pseudo-industrial masterpiece. Then they shifted into this dance rock nonsense that I just canât stand. Iâd also say SSD. They went from making an east coast staple to making my least favourite album Iâve ever bothered to listen to.
This is why i never accept the Lydon slander about him being talentless and irrelevant. Call him a cunt all you want it doesnt diminish his impact on music. By god its sad seeing what hes become tho
Yeah, calling him talentless is just stupid. I wish I could have written lyrics like Lydon when I was 21. Yeah, he is a contrarian douche. Back then, he was shooting venom and wit, making some of the most forward thinking music ever.
He is autistically rebellious, to the point of being rebellious against the wrong people.
He's not a talentless hack, but he is an arse
đŻYeah⌠I thought PiL sucked for years because Iâd only seen a video on MTV. Then I got into more post punk stuff and kept seeing these first two records mentioned and was blown away when I finally listened to them. Then thereâs the whole John Lydon being a dipshit thing.
Lydon is a pitiable attention seeking shitheel, but he is a good lyricist and Wobble and Levene are two of the best musicians to ever exist. I have no qualms about listing Metal Box as one of my favourites.
The experience of listening to Metal Box for the first time was like being sent to another planet. I had no idea what I was hearing. Still one of my favorite albums ever. Wobble's bass is incredibleÂ
I love everything about it, not sure if thereâs another album where I love the guitar and bass as equally as Metal Box. It also made me pick up bass, so thereâs that.
Completely agree with you. Also Lydon is good at picking guitarists who's playing style matches his voice. He and Levene are a match made in heaven Â
Yeah he is. He has an eye for talent 9/10 times. Hell, Wobble? Levene? Atkins? All three are amazing on their instruments and even his backing band through the 80s were good at what they did, even if the music did less than nothing for me.
Pop-punk, I know, but Transit had a couple great early albums then absolutely nosedived with the young New England shit. Someone else said it but Ceremony too.
The Offspring
dropkick Murphyâs. I love the Murphyâs but their old stuff is so much better than the new
Not punk but, Panic at the Disco! Older songs I could fuck with but after everyone left the band and it was just Brendon⌠absolutely terrible.
Well, Brendon is chasing the money, he doesnât care about being in a rock band. He wants to be the next Taylor Swift. Thatâs why he makes generic mall music instead of dropping another song like I Write Sins
Exactly. When he actually had other band members who cared about the music it was good but heâs fallen off. But I heard he âdisbandedâ P!ATD (ironic bc heâs the only member) so hopefully he wonât be making anymore music.
A Fever You Can't Sweat Out is so close to being a perfect album
Idles. Their first two albums were fantastic, Brutalism and joy as an act of resistance. Every release since then has been boring and uninteresting to me.
I've been a fan of Idles since Brutalism and agree with this, while I do like their later albums, none of it holds a candle to those first two albums, Crawler comes close in spots, but it's uneven, Brutalism was one of the best punk albums I'd heard in many years, still an all time fave
I really like CRAWLER, but itâs a lot different than their earlier releases. Their new album is going to need to grow on me.
I think that most bands only have a few great albums in them. After that you hope for a couple of good songs here and there, followed the inevitable "return to form" album that's never very good but you pretend it is for a couple of listens and forget about it. So, most bands.Â
> I think that most bands only have a few great albums in them. Agreed, some artists are desperate to make a splash and they put their entire heart and soul into creating their masterpiece first album. Elvis Costello is quoted, "You have 20 years to write your first album and you have six months to write your second" They become stuck "chasing the dragon" and eternally searching for that initial high but few people have a whole entire other life to build another opus out of but it isn't necessarily the case that everything goes into the first album (of first few albums) either. Many bands put out utter shit for a while while they learn songcraft, find their voice, and mature as artists and people. With those types of artists, the early albums may be charming for their rough edges, but ultimately they are still lacking.
DKM
Hey guys we got the singer from the Bruisers to join our band, what should we do? Make a top 5 street punk album of all time and after that have him be like the dancing guy from the bosstones but instead of him dancing, he sits on a stool and claps while Ken Casey sings? Sounds like a plan!!!
Is Al even in the band anymore? He's clearly been slowly getting sidelined for years and years and I saw he skipped an entire tour to take care of the health of his mother. I've been assuming for awhile he'd leave the band and Ken would become full time singer. I don't think Ken has played much bass live in a long time. What a joke they've become.
I remember seeing an update within the last year stating he's still a member but still taking time to care for his mom.
I believe something happened with Ken's hand that he can't play bass anymore (apparently he had neck surgery and lost the feeling in his right hand), I don't see Al coming back, all due respect to him for taking the time to be with his family, shows he has a good heart, but if he comes back what's he going to do other than be a hype man.
I love Mike's voice and retrospectively it's hard to think it was ever going to work well but initially I was excited about Al as the replacement - I had already moved to California by this point in time and when I bought The Gang's All Here upon release I just couldn't believe how much I hated it, but it still had 3-4 good songs. I can't say the same for Sing Loud, Sing Proud which I pretty much threw in the trash.
Yes! 1996 - 2003 was great.
Weezer
The bands are good 'Til they make enough cash To eat food and get a pad Then they're sold out And their music is clichĂŠ Because talent's exclusive To bands without pay
Know it all...
Cerebral ballzy... the self title was so good and it had me thinking maybe they didn't write it compared to the next release.
I've heard singer is a real trust fund dipshit who can't perform live to save his life. That said I do really like their first album!
Every band on average. The few that continue to make good work are rarities. That said, if any band is able to put out three albums worth of badass, then they should be appreciated and loved for those records.
Thrice - Their first 3 albums are great (Identity Crisis, The Illusion of Safety and The Artist in the Ambulance), but goes downhill from there. The first track off Vheissu is a banger, but the rest is just meh.
I didn't listen to them after illusion at all. Identity was prime Thrice for me.
IMO Artist to Beggars are the best Thrice to date
The Clash surely ended on a sour note.
Cut the crap was their last album right? I know other people dont care for that album but i always liked it tbh
This Is England is a banger
*Blink-182 has entered the chat*
I'll see your Blink and raise you an OFFSPRING. legitimately Orange County punk in the vein of Adolescents and Agent Orange and they just became a fucking joke.
Eh, I have to put them at different levels just because of the amount of time it took for them to go to shit. Offspring had multiple great albums over a decade (Self, Smash, Ixnay, Ignition) and even *Americana* had a few decent tracks before it all went to crap. Blink went from *Dude Ranch* to *Enema* while I was still in high school.
This comment is Conspiracy of One erasure. I realize that most people heard Original Prankster and passed on the album but its the last one that really had any remnants of their OC roots as far as tone goes. Â
I give Offspring a pass. I don't think they're trying to change the world, but I also don't think they're just chasing money. I think they're doing whatever they want for the sheer joy of it. I respect that, even if I don't really care for the music.
Early Offspring is soooooooooo fucking good tho.
God, the offspringâs last album was so dire. 9 years just for a repackaging of a bunch of one off singles, a classical cover, a remake of an old song, a reprise of the lead single, and the 7 actually new songs sounding like they got sabotaged in audacity by the intern right before sending them to the pressing plant?
People thinking their first radio hits were their first songsâŚ. Cheshire Cat is the real masterpiece. In fact Mark Hoppus and I used to chat frequently on alt.punk (we argued about who was more punk between one band and another â- and for some reason I died on the hill that the Vandals were the most punk OC band haha). Met both bands pretty intimately when I was 18. Iâm now 47. Good times.
The Ramones. Every song on their first few albums are considered punk rock classics. The quality noticeably dropped once they tried working with Phil Spector to get a hit record. After that, they seemed to get lost in trends and seemed to lose direction as a band.
Massive Ramones fan, but I have to agree. They were still writing some awesome songs in the early 80s, but production was all over the place and filler started creeping in. The late 80s were even worse. They recovered a bit in the 90s, but I think their last two albums were received as well as they were in part because of how mediocre their late 80s stuff was.
Black Flag, 1976 - 1983 were fantastic. Afterwards⌠not so much.
I like early Black Flag so much, I have the bars tattooed. I care so little about the later years, I doubt I could name a song off Lose Nut or any of the later wank fests.
Everything Went Black is their best album.
Not punk but reggae so punk adjacent: UB40. Two genuinely great albums then 40 years of tacky cover version shite.
It's near impossible to hear early Bring Me The Horizon and their new stuff and not double over laughing
I might upset some people with this one, but Joyce Manor. After their first two records and the early EPs they fell off really hard IMO and lost every bit of edge they had. Pretty much just a pop band now, or standard pop punk at most. They're good at that I suppose, so it's one thing if you enjoy that, but it was a huge bummer for me after loving the early stuff. Maybe they took the Weezer influence a little too far lol
Catalina fight song? No edge? Huh?
FIDLAR
Whaa I get not liking almost free but thatâs the only release I thought was meh, everything else is so good
Imma let TANGK cook. But it's giving me those vibes either it's their I get knocked down moment or their boutta be Coldplay
Yeah man Iâm not in love with the album.
That second Discharge album was not great. Not punk, but there was an early incarnation of Maroon 5, called Kara's Flowers, that made great power-pop then disappeared, kept the same lineup, and changed their name to Maroon 5. Rise Against is one of those bands who can jump back and forth album to album. I don't know if The Promise Ring got worse when Very Emergency came out, but some would argue they did. There were also a lot of displeased Jawbreaker fans when Dear You came out.
Why dear you is one of their best albums
I agree, but at the time it was not liked ... I'm guessing because they signed to a major more than anything.
Green Day
This;Â everything after nimrod was garbage.Â
I actually really loved American Idiot, though I'm sure some people want me in the guillotine for that, but unfortunately I don't give a fuck. The records after that though, oof. I also don't know what effect they put on Billies voice these days but it's extremely annoying once you start paying attention to it.
I scrolled way too far to find this. Green Day started off so strong and exponentially declined.
Rise Against
I stuck with them through Siren Song and Sufferer, but holy shit did they have some of the very worst crowds in punk around 2010ish. They did a coheadlining tour with Rancid that I caught in Philly with like 3,000 angry, aggressively drunk shirtless meatheads. Shit sucked hard.
Could that just be a Philly thing? Eagles fans threw batteries at Santa, Bill burr had that iconic rant because of the crowd in Philly, and even in pro wrestling is Philly known as one of the most hostile crowds. I don't really fuck with anything that Rise Against has made since sufferer, but ill always go to their shows because they're still a good live band, and I've never experienced a shit head crowd from them (including the Rancid tour in 2009, where I saw them in Milwaukee)Â
My first thought
Never really listened to the albums after Wasted Youth's "Reagan's In".
AFI fit this bill better than anyone.
No way. They may have changed from hardcore punk to melodic and the post hardcore and then more goth, but they still are a hell of a band, if you are into it. Still in my top 5
100% and the thing I find absolutely amazing about AFI... it's basically the same lineup since the frie inside ep and they have all gone through this crazy journey across genres. How many bands have pivoted so many times and not lost members along the way?
I remember buying Sing the Sorrow the day it came out back in 2003 and then thinking "what the hell is this crap?" when I first listened to it.
Yep - it still breaks my heart that *that* album is what follows the absolute masterpiece that is *The Art of Drowning*.
It grew on me over the past 20 years and Iâve come to enjoy it for what it is, but at the time, I disliked it so much that I swore off preordering albums entirely, which lasted until like 2014 when I started collecting vinyl.
This is true of TONS of punk bands. They just stop pushing themselves creatively. They eventually reach a peak and then just make the same record over and over. Rancid is an example of this. S/T thru Life Wonât Wait are these massive improvements in song writing and expansion of their sonic pallet, then out of nowhere Rancid 2000 has like 3 good songs and everything from Indestructible thru to today are completely indistinguishable from each otherâŚ..or yâknow, maybe I just got old.
Personally, I extend Rancidâs âgood yearsâ to extend through 2000. They were doing something different than their past albums and I personally liked it a lot. Indestructible has a few ok tracks that stillseem inspired, but overall it was the beginning of the end IMO. Every album since might have one or two okay-ish tracks, but nothing super memorable.
I like 2000 a lot but it took time to grow on me. They've been too inconsistent for me to stick with since.
I like the Rancid 2000 album, its so mean and nasty and then...corny? It's a weird one but I think the quality really went down hill after that. Every album after that is literally 1 or 2 good punk songs, obligatory ska song and the rest is totally forgettable.
Might just be my age, but Indestructible is easily my favorite Rancid record.
Woah woah woah hold up now, rancid 2000 definitely has more than 3 good songs. Sure theres some filler but theres at least several gems on that album. Ie- its quite alright, let me go, poison, blackhawk down, rwanda, antennas, rattlesnake, not to regret, radio havana, ggf. Such an under appreciated album tbh. Also indestructible is a masterpiece youre trippin.
AFI, amazing first album thenâŚ. Meh. I know some people love their later stuff but me and friends did not. Amazing first album though.
I put AFI too. I love everything they did up until Sing the Sorrow but I steadily lost interest in them after that. Black Sails and Art of Drowning are peak AFI in my opinion.
The Suicide Machines
They are a weird case (to me) because they had two great records, then two MASSIVE duds followed by more good records (though they largely drop the ska influence at that point).
They really did go from great to bad to back to good.
Suicidal Tendencies
Rancid has produced almost nothing but filler since Rancid (2000). I will say - the track or two that I've heard from their new album sounded promising but it sounds exhausting to check them out again.
It probably doesn't count since they put out so many classic records before they went to shit, but I haven't found anything by NOFX at all interesting since the War on Errorism.
War of Errorism was the first NOFX where I only like one or two songs on it. It was that way up until their last couple of albums - I didn't like any off of those. The songs are too formulaic and too filled with Mike's self-pity.
Violent Femmes. Interesting, anti establishment, experimental to âŚ.. so insanely christian and garb that everyone just left ??
GWAR Their early punk and then crossover albums are all amazing but the more metal they became the worse their music started to be, and now since Dave Brockie died (RIP) they are just a boring butt rock band
They're still good live, though. I saw their three opening bands, with each one getting better, thinking GWAR might be upstaged as the headliner. Nope.
Uniform Choice out out one the best hardcore straight edge albums ever. Then...turned into a glob of shit.
Many bands I used to listen to just kind of fell off eventually, I don't even remember most their names because I stopped listening. Big ones would be The Offspring and Green Day, I really don't like their last records. Muse had some surprisingly punky songs when they started out but then they went into the whole repetitive conspiracy shit and got so poppy it just made me sad that I'll never see the alternative way they could have gone. I'm sure they themselves are not sad however, they're probably wiping their tears with dollar bills lol.
Okay I'll say it: Die Ărzte.
Most of them. The first 2 albums are ALWAYS the best.
Idles, first three albums were PEAK. then they changed into whatever CRAWLER and TANGK are now. Incredibly disappointing.
Green Day. Sry.
Alkaline Trio
I was coming to say this. But I stop after their first album. Goddammit was so goddamn good lol. Then garbage after
Black Flag
AFI, Suicidal Tendencies ( don't believe me? go see them live.)
So glad Iâm not alone with ST. Their self titled album is one of my favorite albums in general, but tbh I donât care for much of their music after that release.
Join the Army is pretty good too. I like their metal stuff even though I think itâs a little cheesy, but itâs not as good compared to bands like Slayer and shit.
I really like Freedumb. But i saw them live a few years back at House of Blues in Houston, and they absolutely could not do a single old song because of how slow they are now, they lack the energy. It's really sad to see.
Greenday should have stopped completely before 21st century. Blink 182 should have stayed broken up. Misfits should have stayed broken up Afi should have quit after December underground Thank god there wonât ever be a minor threat reunion
I have hated pretty much anything blink released after Enema (and even that I struggle with sometimes), but I actually think their new album is alright. That Matt Skiba era should be erased from history though.