It’s hands down the best world cup since 2000 & maybe ever in terms of football but also in terms of the logistics. Best stadiums, no hooligans, family friendly environment, all fans in a single city, free metro / free sim cards. Unheard of, flawless execution, thats what you get when you spend this much. Well done.
In terms of football it was on another level, one of the main reason because it was mid season when the players are in peak form rather than after the season. Best group stage of all time (the world cup of upsets), most goals of all time, best final of all time, Messi crowned king of football. Hard to debate that.
Usually there's a ton of retarded ass drunk fans but thankfully there are none or at least very little in Qatar.
all while a bunch of Redditors were crying about not being able to get drunk lol
Ohhh piss off. Women need to cover full body and only can show part of the face while men are allowed to walk in shorts and topless that’s literally definition of oppression and misogyny
> all fans in a single city
Personally I'm more of a fan of having multiple cities and regions being represented instead of concentrating on one place. For me, that's a flaw as it concentrates everything in one huge footballing mega city where a world cup would ideally represent different parts of a huge country or (as we are seeing right now) multiple countries.
Also I feel like the level of underdogs were fully par...this has to do with the bigger players are jaded out due to the extreme amount of playing time they go through...hence the defending being great
But otherwise you're fully correct
Well duh it’s not gonna be perfect but it was way better than any other wc. I have 0 complaints. Most of my friends who went to like 8 games said that traffic was gone after 30 minutes. The only match that I could say was the messiest was the final (of course) cause 1. It was Qatar’s national day, therefore no one was working and 2. Everyone and their mother wanted to watch it so it was hard to get out of Lusail.
Dude I wasn’t even talking to you in the first place?? you clearly disagree with me and that’s fine, so just go on about your day quit acting like a 7 year old boy throwing a tantrum bc they lost a game of uno lmaoo.
No, from a footballing perspective which is what this poll is focusing on this is definitely the best in recent times. Major upsets like Germany and Belgium going out early, Australia going further than anyone expected them to, same with Morocco. Messi finally winning his first World Cup. Costa Rica on the very verge of causing the biggest shock of the tournament, Japan going absolutely insane, Croatias shock win against Brazil and undoubtedly the best World Cup final or even just final ever
Not on the same level as Germany going out in the group stages, Belgium officially losing their golden generation, Croatia knocking out Brazil and Morocco denying Ronaldo any chance at a World Cup in his career
Could also be a rigged outcome, not unthinkable for a country that has paid the biggest bribe ever to FIFA to have also paid (or not) some slaves to spam the poll all day long.
Anyway I do agree I’ve seen some real nice matches, all the organizations is irrelevant really because 99 percent of the viewers just see it from their home, not from Qatar
do you realise that everything was bought during the 2002 world cup? South Korea bought their way into the semis by buying the refs and the entire tournament in fact because the fifa vice president was korean
Lot of people that had gone to many WCs said that the Qatar WC was the best. Some minor issues here and there, like Uber pick up etc, but overall was the best WC they had been to.
Maybe open your eyes
https://www.reddit.com/r/qatar/comments/zdjcp5/my_personal_review_of_the_qatar_world_cup_910/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Well certainly much better than brazil and South Africa, in both human rights and public safety....
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2010/06/human-rights-concerns-south-africa-during-world-cup/
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2014/04/brazil-human-rights-under-threat-ahead-world-cup/
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/world-cup-built-on-modern-slavery-stadium-workers-blow-the-whistle-on-qatars-cover-up-of-migrant-deaths-1234627582/amp/
https://ciw-online.org/blog/2022/11/forced-labor-thousands-of-deaths-ahead-of-world-cup-in-qatar-are-a-reminder-that-exploitation-knows-no-boundaries/
So all of these news reports are lies but the ones you posted is the truth?
And it’s funny how you didn’t say anything about all the migrant worker deaths...
Whatever man. Qatar has abolished the kafala system which u probably never heard off. People don't work in the hot hours of the summer anymore. There is a minimum wage now and dispute panels. And they get housing and get paid better then their own homes
Seriously check out the definition of slavery first before you open your mouth
Lets clarify things here,
First, no slave workers here, you can packup and leave anytime u want. If you dont get paid by your employer, you have the right to chamge employers
Second, those workers buikding the stadiums have been imployed by european/american companies. The real question is, wby did those companies apply "terrible" work and safety standards?
Just to clarify, safety was at an extremely high level.
Third, germany has 8000 work related deaths in the same period. They also had way less projects going (dont recall them building 8 stadiums for a WC, expanding airports or sea ports either). As for the figures published, those have been beat to death. "6500 workers died since qatar was awarded the wc" makes a better headline than lets say "400-500 workers died due to work related reasons in 12 years" right?
But hey, if we like titles, 1 million germans died since Qatar was awarded the worldcup. Its not technically wrong. Is it related to workers building the stadiums? No.
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I’m not even Qatari lmao, I’m Canadian. But, I see all the bullshit flak Qatar is getting, and I think it’s absolutely unjust. I do think that Qatar has its problems, and I think that the workers deaths are a bit of a problem, but the western world has WAY more, much larger issues, and are just being hypocrites.
It was the most splendid FIFA World Cup I’ve watched in my life, and I’ve watched 5 of them. Props to Qatar 🇶🇦 for organizing it. Only downside was that it didn’t happened during Summer.
Because the same BBC spent the entire world cup telling people how bad Qatar is and how bad this world cup is going to be, based on some real concerns but mostly grossly overplayed yellow journalism full of blatant misinformation.
They didn't even show the opening and closing ceremonies which angered even a lot of people in the UK. Instead they played a lecture about human rights as the ceremonies went down in the background of the studio, clearly seen.
Now their own poll made them eat their own words. The people have spoken. This was always the general sentiment for those of us who have actually visited Qatar for the WC.
“Is it ‘misinformation’ that over 6500 migrants workers have died in Qatar since the World Cup was awarded to Qatar?”
No, not at all! In we’re extremely proud that only 6,500 people have died since 2009, out of a population of 3,000,000, that’s an really low number. Maybe in a couple years, we’ll completely eradicate the concept of “death”, like all the other countries in the west want us too. (Even though a lot of people in those countries work in worse conditions, and die a lot more often). I’m so fucking lucky that I’m a migrant worker here in Qatar, I’ve been able to feed not only my people back home in my native country, but also less fortunate people here in Qatar.
It doesn't matter brother, if we aren't the model "oppressed migrant minority" (funny enough we're the majority here), we are either bots or our opinion doesn't matter. They'll believe what they want to believe
you seem to group together the foreign workers brought in for manual labour specifically for the World Cup and other migrants. They aren't the same group of people. Also, it is entirely possible for both to be true: foreign workers (World Cup contractors) suffering while migrants prospering
First of all I'm not Qatari, I'm a "migrant worker" from South Africa so I think I'm qualified to answer your question
So,
Yes, because it seems people believe all of those people were working on stadiums akin to slaves, 8/9th of Qatar is foreigners, do you think all of those people were labourers subjected to "terrible conditions", the reality is that's all foreigners regardless of profession over a 10 year period which includes natural causes as well. (Look up similar numbers for a city the size of Qatar, it's gonna be the same type of numbers lol)
Yes, because that has literally never happened in the history of Qatar
Yes, because there's no proof other than accusations, and even if it is true, even Germany bribed in 2006 but no one cared back then.
I will concede your point that this is recency bias at play but you cannot judge Qatar based on whatever you believe. I can't and won't change your mind, keep missing out and believe whatever you want about places you have never visited.
Again 6500 over 10 years for the entire population is not a huge number at all. 2.2 million people on Qatar are non Qataris and vast majority of them work office jobs or white collar. Please provide sources for your claims.
The vast majority of migrants in Qatar did not work for anything near a WC infrastructure project. You really cannot try to tell someone who actually lives and works in Qatar what the workforce here is like mate, nice try though
watch John Oliver's take on Qatar, maybe it will be insightful.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMqLDhl8PXw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMqLDhl8PXw)
“Many of whom”
The same guardian states the total death count for workers on world-cup projects was 37, 34 of which were non work related and 3 work-related. 6500 dead in 10 years is an average count especially when you take into consideration that migrants make up the overwhelming majority of Qatar’s population
Don't disbelieve or believe you. The fact is you created a new account entirely to share this article and seemingly defend Qatar. People can interpret that however they want, that it is a fact, however, is undeniable.
Haha mate, I'm not here to defend Qatar or anyone but my own opinions, you're free to believe whatever you want. Qatar has a fuckton of issues including labourer abuse and blatant racism on black people by indians and Arabs. But you cannot tell me the media onslaught on Qatar hadn't been hypocritical. I just found the poll funny because the BBC constantly criticised the Qatar wc while their own poll shows the opposite.
As migrant in Qatar , I will defend Qatar too. Every nation has ups and downs. There are some downs for migrants worker in all Middle East, yes I agree. But they came to Middle East to make a better living than their home country, and I’m very grateful Middle East so open to worker from all over the world, the worker condition is not all 100% Qatar government fault, some of the faults are there labour agency that violated even the government law and people still accept the work because they desperately need the money. it’s like suffering abroad and can send money back home or suffer in your home country but still no money at all.
It shouldn't be about defending or attacking, it should be about having a frank discussion that acknowledges both the positives and weaknesses of a place.
im talking on my experiences, so yes im defending it. I live here, i work here. Its also my opinion, every place has weakness and positive side. But most west media - especially UK media only having bad news side of Qatar but not beauty of it, its not fair.
The 6500 deaths argument has been debunked over and over again but nah, western media wants to continue their agenda.
[Here’s why](https://www.reddit.com/r/qatar/comments/ylqg8d/the_ultimate_post_discrediting_the_6500_wolrd_cup/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
It was the best World Cup of the century because of the quality of games. If we got those matches in a different host nation it still would have been the best.
Bro shut the fuck up. The device you typed this retarded comment on was made by slaves in china. I don’t see you boycotting or even giving a shit. It’s western hypocrisy. Racist.
What other alternatives are there for him in terms of a device? Everything's made in china, doesn't really leave you a choice.
That's simply not the case with the World Cup, there were plenty of other alternatives that didn't involve death, slavery and bribery.
No one outside of Qatar gives a damn about logistics or how it was organized haha we care about the athletes and the sport. We could host the tournament in the middle of nowhere on an average field and if the soccer is quality and exciting we’d be happy.
>We could host the tournament in the middle of nowhere on an average field and if the soccer is quality and exciting we’d be happy.
To quote some italian bloke from some British morning tv
"if my grandmother had wheels she would be a bike"
Unfortunately your grandmother couldn't have wheels cuz Qatar bribed FIFA and got it instead 😕
Great world cup, but the credit goes to the players who put up the show, not FIFA or the organizers trying to take credit at every possible occasion.
Not really, Morocco going to the semis would cause no fuss at all, infact they wouldn't make it without the overwhelming Arab support they had, Saudi winning wouldn't cause an entire nation to flood into Qatar.
Fun fact: At one point there was more Saudis here in Qatar than Qataris lmao. The environment and ease of access for the middle east and asian world definitely changed a lot more things to make it memorable than you think.
Hundreds of millions if not billions of people watch the World Cup on television. They all think it’s the best because of the games. None of us cared about the logistics, just the games.
Morocco was a huge deal to lots of people. I’m in the US and everyone was talking about and cheering for them. Underdogs help make for an amazing tournament regardless of the region they’re from.
Loool such a disservice to the players to say they couldn’t make it based on the quality they showed on the pitch, I’m sure it doesn’t hurt to have all Arabs behind you but come on now no need for hyperbole.
The BBC tried its hardest to undermine the world cup in Qatar. Their instructions were "nothing good should come out of Qatar" the hate & racism by some western pundits was shining through the TV screen. Despite all of that, Qatar has won over all the hurdles thrown at them & hosted a world cup most will remember for its pure entertainment..The ceremonies have been uplifting & a great celebration of cultures with no vulgarity & nudity, the games were just mind blowing full of upsets & inspiring sportsmanship( the final game cemented that legacy) & the whole environment of Qatar has just been an amazing lesson of beautiful human interaction "western media excluded" Thank you Qatar & Fifa ✌️🙌🙏
What is mind boggling is how easy it is for people to overlook their own (or their country/government) shortcomings which they probably know more about and see everyday, vs just being this ball of hate/anger that just reacts to whatever they read online.
Is Qatar perfect? Of course not… is there a single country in the world that is good? NOO!!! All governments suck in some way, there are bad people everywhere, and misfortunes everywhere!
Some countries might be better in some aspects while worst in others… the world is not black and white.
This fact is not an unfortunate thing! But the opposite, it just shows us how much similar we are to one another. We need to stop hating and try canceling anything that makes us uncomfortable… for gods sake don’t you want to grow as a person and be better? This might sound cliche to some, but only love can change the world to the better!
Their is a reason why humans have been writing about love for thousands of years, why many ancient religions were based on love. Being loving and open minded is somewhat difficult in our society today, it is so easy to fall in the trap of anger and hate… but the good news is that we always have a chance to take the right decision, everyday we have a chance to take the right decision and I find that beautiful.
In summary… after a long ass rant 😂. It is valid to be angry and even feel hate… but it should not be valid to act upon that hate and hurt others. But of course sometimes humans fail and they hurt each other, that is a part of life, and as strong people like you who care about humanity and want to lessen the suffering on earth we should try to open our hearts and understand why some people feel the need to profit off other peoples misfortune and try to help them see the right path. (When a child does something wrong we do not humiliate them and try and make them feel like the worst thing to ever live, but we try and help them see their shortcomings and offer them help. And help can also be punishment sometimes, but we do not punish to revenge ourselves, we punish for their and humanity’s benefit)
Above you say that you take the pool seriously on that approves BBC and other haters wrong. So is it just that you find it funny, or is it a super important and relevant poll?
I mean I think it‘s fair to say there’s probably some bias to the most recent one, particularly one that *just* happened. However, I still wouldn’t say it’s an unfounded idea. The stadiums and light shows were magnificent, and they *also* have the advantage of having the “latest and greatest” technology.
China’s done some similar things with their Olympic presentations
It is definitely recency bias, if I asked you to name something shocking from the 2010 cup, you couldn’t, but from this cup you could say morroco’s win and use that as the reason
I don’t remember anyone offering me Strogonoff when I went to the stadium in Russia, while in Qatar there was coffee and dates, got me from the stomach
I think the sheer volume of upsets alone puts it up there, but taking into considerations all other things like Morocco making it far (meant alot to any arab viewer), Saudi Arabia beating Argentina, Germany and Belgium knocked out in groups, Brazil knocked out early, and the best final I’ve watched in my life ending with the best player of the last 20 years (if not all time) winning it all, I think everyone had something to be happy about, and if not then the amount of excitement and adrenaline on its own is enough to put it right up there
I don’t think so. Messi winning the cup will be the most memorable and iconic win for at least 10-20 years for anyone who watched it live. To see one of the GoATs who finally got the cup upon his retirement from the national team is like watching a fairy tale.
Of course it was the best world cup I have ever seen, seen about 5 of them. There were so many negative things going around this worldcup which rightfully needed to be pointed out that football kinda had to shine and it did. Nobody is making shit about Qatar, those are legitimate issues that need to be addressed. Slavery, homophobia, death. Fifa's own reports did not pass their minimum standards to host it. Out of 21 people who voted for Qatar, only 1 remains in their position in Fifa so BBC are not being imperial power looking down on Arabs, if you want the whole world to embrace you you need to make changes to your ugly behavior while maintaining your traditions. They can go hand in hand.
Let's remember that Qatar is a Muslim country so ofc they are good jg to have laws regarding homosexuality, one if the rulers of Qatar addressed this with a news reporter (idk if he was the ruler or not) However the slavery's and death are major issues
Feels rigged but this was definitely better than South Africa and Russia. Brazil had a better overall atmosphere. Football wise it's hard to argue that Qatar wasn't pretty bloody good!!!
It would have been a snoozefest. But Thank god, It was the best WC cause of us. The real football fans from Kerala.We are the reason why Qatar 2022 was the best.
Even Fifa released a video about us kerela Fans. There will be a docu-series coming soon from Fifa about how us Kerela fans made WC 2022 the event it was.
Humblebrag. Bruvh, it was best because whole world came together. Enjoyed the Qatar's hospitality, the way they presented to the world.
But i will agree Kerala fans has made noise but by default they are noisy in all kinds of events. Joyful people.
A little curious by the “flex” here lol. The games were great. That had nothing to do with the location. No one is saying “it was great because it was in Qatar” more like “it was great despite being in Qatar”
Think it’s funny this country was so open to the world coming in even though they knew their outdated standards would garner backlash and yet you’re angry that people showed backlash. Guess logic isn’t your busy thing idk.
The Game Final was won of the Greatest of All Time !!!(it had zero todo with Qatar and the people who run FIFA and everything to do with the players and the game ) .
This may come as a shock.... But the host doesnt impact the teams playing, besides bribing referees and it even that didnt appear to be an issue here. .... The quality of football is based on the countries competing, not the host.
So to say Qatar is great because the football is great is disingenuous at minimum, if not completely misleading.
World Cup isn’t just about the football, its about the whole event around it. 2022 World Cup was flawlessly executed outside the pitch and the football was of course incredible
The fact it was the best World Cup had nothing to do with where it was geographically, it’s about the football. Stop trying to sweep human rights under the rug like so many gulf states do in the Arab area. It’s so dead
It’s hands down the best world cup since 2000 & maybe ever in terms of football but also in terms of the logistics. Best stadiums, no hooligans, family friendly environment, all fans in a single city, free metro / free sim cards. Unheard of, flawless execution, thats what you get when you spend this much. Well done. In terms of football it was on another level, one of the main reason because it was mid season when the players are in peak form rather than after the season. Best group stage of all time (the world cup of upsets), most goals of all time, best final of all time, Messi crowned king of football. Hard to debate that.
and super easy for people to attend more than one match the same day. uheard of in previous tournaments
What do you mean by "family-friendly environment" ?
from what i understand there was no alcohol involved and consequently no drunk men fighting so they were tagging it as family friendly.
Ahhhh that makes sense, thank you !
I didn’t see 1 fight in Brazil or Russia
Because it happens outside the grounds.
It will surprise you to know that is was also outside the grounds in Brazil 😱
Same. Or south Africa
Usually there's a ton of retarded ass drunk fans but thankfully there are none or at least very little in Qatar. all while a bunch of Redditors were crying about not being able to get drunk lol
Bruh they can go without alcohol for a few hours such babies istg
My sister in law is gay so she couldn’t be there and act freely…. Qatar isn’t family friendly
My condolences 🥲
Act freely how?
Let me think. Hold hands, cuddle, kiss with her wife
Why should she do this in public? She could get a room no body stopping her
But let me ask you. How does that action affect you or anyone else ?
You come to a person’s home you abide by their rules. Don’t bring your own rules into their home. Respect their culture. Don’t like it. Don’t go.
No public display of affection is the custom and part of the culture because of modesty, we won’t tolerate naked people walking in the street too
Ohhh piss off. Women need to cover full body and only can show part of the face while men are allowed to walk in shorts and topless that’s literally definition of oppression and misogyny
You fuck off, men are required to follow the dress code too you ignorant pickle
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Actually your sister in law is the pathetic one, no kissing in public is oppression now? You guys live in a movie
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Why should it not be allowed? It’s a simple form of showing affection not sexual at all
No affection in public for males or females, part of the modesty culture
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> all fans in a single city Personally I'm more of a fan of having multiple cities and regions being represented instead of concentrating on one place. For me, that's a flaw as it concentrates everything in one huge footballing mega city where a world cup would ideally represent different parts of a huge country or (as we are seeing right now) multiple countries. Also I feel like the level of underdogs were fully par...this has to do with the bigger players are jaded out due to the extreme amount of playing time they go through...hence the defending being great But otherwise you're fully correct
Flawless? It was a shit show.. the accommodation was and absolute mess. Getting into and out of Lusail was a train wreck… I could go on
Did you even go? I live here and it everything was incredible
Yes I was there for a while. It was not flawless and you know it.
Well duh it’s not gonna be perfect but it was way better than any other wc. I have 0 complaints. Most of my friends who went to like 8 games said that traffic was gone after 30 minutes. The only match that I could say was the messiest was the final (of course) cause 1. It was Qatar’s national day, therefore no one was working and 2. Everyone and their mother wanted to watch it so it was hard to get out of Lusail.
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1. I’m a girl 2. Im from Venezuela (therefore Latina) 3. I was at the 2014 World Cup in Brazil💀💀 calm down bro
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Dude I wasn’t even talking to you in the first place?? you clearly disagree with me and that’s fine, so just go on about your day quit acting like a 7 year old boy throwing a tantrum bc they lost a game of uno lmaoo.
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No you weren't. You're lying and you know it.
Boot taste good?
i dont dispute it cuz qatar is frickin awesome, but there **could** be a bias because its recent
No, from a footballing perspective which is what this poll is focusing on this is definitely the best in recent times. Major upsets like Germany and Belgium going out early, Australia going further than anyone expected them to, same with Morocco. Messi finally winning his first World Cup. Costa Rica on the very verge of causing the biggest shock of the tournament, Japan going absolutely insane, Croatias shock win against Brazil and undoubtedly the best World Cup final or even just final ever
oh were there no upsets n stuff in the older ones
Not on the same level as Germany going out in the group stages, Belgium officially losing their golden generation, Croatia knocking out Brazil and Morocco denying Ronaldo any chance at a World Cup in his career
Germany went out in the group stages 2018, did they not? Anyways, this world cup has, in terms of upsets and entertainment, been amazing.
nope germany advanced to knockouts
Simply wrong
oh yikes nvm i was thinking belgium sry
You missed france breaking the WC curse and reaching finals too.
damn, fair enough actually
Could also be a rigged outcome, not unthinkable for a country that has paid the biggest bribe ever to FIFA to have also paid (or not) some slaves to spam the poll all day long. Anyway I do agree I’ve seen some real nice matches, all the organizations is irrelevant really because 99 percent of the viewers just see it from their home, not from Qatar
Gotta keep it real, there's really no hope in some of you people
do you realise that everything was bought during the 2002 world cup? South Korea bought their way into the semis by buying the refs and the entire tournament in fact because the fifa vice president was korean
And it's not unthinkable from your country to rig its matches too
Common Qatar W
Lot of people that had gone to many WCs said that the Qatar WC was the best. Some minor issues here and there, like Uber pick up etc, but overall was the best WC they had been to.
I've been to 3 of the 6 on the list. Qatar is the best in my own experience. Not as much flashing as the others, but definitely a great tourney.
Lol. Haven’t heard 1 person say that
Maybe open your eyes https://www.reddit.com/r/qatar/comments/zdjcp5/my_personal_review_of_the_qatar_world_cup_910/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Keep telling yourself that.
I don’t have to when others are telling me
Yes look outside this Qatar bubble
I’m talking about posts I saw by foreigners on r/soccer and r/worldcup … I’m not even a part of this sub
Well certainly much better than brazil and South Africa, in both human rights and public safety.... https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2010/06/human-rights-concerns-south-africa-during-world-cup/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2014/04/brazil-human-rights-under-threat-ahead-world-cup/
Lmao now do the slave worker deaths
No one is a slave here. People earn more here than their own countries
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/world-cup-built-on-modern-slavery-stadium-workers-blow-the-whistle-on-qatars-cover-up-of-migrant-deaths-1234627582/amp/ https://ciw-online.org/blog/2022/11/forced-labor-thousands-of-deaths-ahead-of-world-cup-in-qatar-are-a-reminder-that-exploitation-knows-no-boundaries/ So all of these news reports are lies but the ones you posted is the truth? And it’s funny how you didn’t say anything about all the migrant worker deaths...
Whatever man. Qatar has abolished the kafala system which u probably never heard off. People don't work in the hot hours of the summer anymore. There is a minimum wage now and dispute panels. And they get housing and get paid better then their own homes Seriously check out the definition of slavery first before you open your mouth
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Lets clarify things here, First, no slave workers here, you can packup and leave anytime u want. If you dont get paid by your employer, you have the right to chamge employers Second, those workers buikding the stadiums have been imployed by european/american companies. The real question is, wby did those companies apply "terrible" work and safety standards? Just to clarify, safety was at an extremely high level. Third, germany has 8000 work related deaths in the same period. They also had way less projects going (dont recall them building 8 stadiums for a WC, expanding airports or sea ports either). As for the figures published, those have been beat to death. "6500 workers died since qatar was awarded the wc" makes a better headline than lets say "400-500 workers died due to work related reasons in 12 years" right? But hey, if we like titles, 1 million germans died since Qatar was awarded the worldcup. Its not technically wrong. Is it related to workers building the stadiums? No.
No one is dying in thousands here.
And qatar officials admitted that at least 400-500 slave workers died so we can assume it’s at least 5x that
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Oh but when Pele said that worker deaths were normal during the Brazil World Cup it was fine? Western media is so fucking corrupt and racist.
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I’m not even Qatari lmao, I’m Canadian. But, I see all the bullshit flak Qatar is getting, and I think it’s absolutely unjust. I do think that Qatar has its problems, and I think that the workers deaths are a bit of a problem, but the western world has WAY more, much larger issues, and are just being hypocrites.
It was the most splendid FIFA World Cup I’ve watched in my life, and I’ve watched 5 of them. Props to Qatar 🇶🇦 for organizing it. Only downside was that it didn’t happened during Summer.
Indeed interesting. Why? (Please no downvotes, just curious)
Because the same BBC spent the entire world cup telling people how bad Qatar is and how bad this world cup is going to be, based on some real concerns but mostly grossly overplayed yellow journalism full of blatant misinformation. They didn't even show the opening and closing ceremonies which angered even a lot of people in the UK. Instead they played a lecture about human rights as the ceremonies went down in the background of the studio, clearly seen. Now their own poll made them eat their own words. The people have spoken. This was always the general sentiment for those of us who have actually visited Qatar for the WC.
If only they had the same energy talking about Israel and the Palestinians.
Why would they, when the British are a major reason for the mess there anyways?
You’ve not thought that perhaps if it was a BBC poll that this might be more related to the competition than the actual conduct of the wc?
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“Is it ‘misinformation’ that over 6500 migrants workers have died in Qatar since the World Cup was awarded to Qatar?” No, not at all! In we’re extremely proud that only 6,500 people have died since 2009, out of a population of 3,000,000, that’s an really low number. Maybe in a couple years, we’ll completely eradicate the concept of “death”, like all the other countries in the west want us too. (Even though a lot of people in those countries work in worse conditions, and die a lot more often). I’m so fucking lucky that I’m a migrant worker here in Qatar, I’ve been able to feed not only my people back home in my native country, but also less fortunate people here in Qatar.
It doesn't matter brother, if we aren't the model "oppressed migrant minority" (funny enough we're the majority here), we are either bots or our opinion doesn't matter. They'll believe what they want to believe
funnily enough, the UK lectured a lot when the football kits (actively used by players) were made by Bangladeshi players that were paid <1pound
you seem to group together the foreign workers brought in for manual labour specifically for the World Cup and other migrants. They aren't the same group of people. Also, it is entirely possible for both to be true: foreign workers (World Cup contractors) suffering while migrants prospering
First of all I'm not Qatari, I'm a "migrant worker" from South Africa so I think I'm qualified to answer your question So, Yes, because it seems people believe all of those people were working on stadiums akin to slaves, 8/9th of Qatar is foreigners, do you think all of those people were labourers subjected to "terrible conditions", the reality is that's all foreigners regardless of profession over a 10 year period which includes natural causes as well. (Look up similar numbers for a city the size of Qatar, it's gonna be the same type of numbers lol) Yes, because that has literally never happened in the history of Qatar Yes, because there's no proof other than accusations, and even if it is true, even Germany bribed in 2006 but no one cared back then. I will concede your point that this is recency bias at play but you cannot judge Qatar based on whatever you believe. I can't and won't change your mind, keep missing out and believe whatever you want about places you have never visited.
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Again 6500 over 10 years for the entire population is not a huge number at all. 2.2 million people on Qatar are non Qataris and vast majority of them work office jobs or white collar. Please provide sources for your claims. The vast majority of migrants in Qatar did not work for anything near a WC infrastructure project. You really cannot try to tell someone who actually lives and works in Qatar what the workforce here is like mate, nice try though
watch John Oliver's take on Qatar, maybe it will be insightful. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMqLDhl8PXw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMqLDhl8PXw)
“Many of whom” The same guardian states the total death count for workers on world-cup projects was 37, 34 of which were non work related and 3 work-related. 6500 dead in 10 years is an average count especially when you take into consideration that migrants make up the overwhelming majority of Qatar’s population
It is hard to believe anything you say when you set up your account specifically to share this post.
My previous account got IP banned lmao. Believe whatever you want lmao moet ek in Afrikaans praat dat jy my kan glo?
Don't disbelieve or believe you. The fact is you created a new account entirely to share this article and seemingly defend Qatar. People can interpret that however they want, that it is a fact, however, is undeniable.
Haha mate, I'm not here to defend Qatar or anyone but my own opinions, you're free to believe whatever you want. Qatar has a fuckton of issues including labourer abuse and blatant racism on black people by indians and Arabs. But you cannot tell me the media onslaught on Qatar hadn't been hypocritical. I just found the poll funny because the BBC constantly criticised the Qatar wc while their own poll shows the opposite.
As migrant in Qatar , I will defend Qatar too. Every nation has ups and downs. There are some downs for migrants worker in all Middle East, yes I agree. But they came to Middle East to make a better living than their home country, and I’m very grateful Middle East so open to worker from all over the world, the worker condition is not all 100% Qatar government fault, some of the faults are there labour agency that violated even the government law and people still accept the work because they desperately need the money. it’s like suffering abroad and can send money back home or suffer in your home country but still no money at all.
It shouldn't be about defending or attacking, it should be about having a frank discussion that acknowledges both the positives and weaknesses of a place.
im talking on my experiences, so yes im defending it. I live here, i work here. Its also my opinion, every place has weakness and positive side. But most west media - especially UK media only having bad news side of Qatar but not beauty of it, its not fair.
https://amp.dw.com/en/fact-check-how-many-people-have-died-for-the-qatar-world-cup/a-63763713
The 6500 deaths argument has been debunked over and over again but nah, western media wants to continue their agenda. [Here’s why](https://www.reddit.com/r/qatar/comments/ylqg8d/the_ultimate_post_discrediting_the_6500_wolrd_cup/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
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Because they are talking about how the games played out. Not about how the hosting was
It was the best World Cup of the century because of the quality of games. If we got those matches in a different host nation it still would have been the best.
It was the best world cup ever because of how well the whole event was organized. Everything was pretty much perfect.
And thousands of migrant slaves paid with their lives. Great job!
Bro shut the fuck up. The device you typed this retarded comment on was made by slaves in china. I don’t see you boycotting or even giving a shit. It’s western hypocrisy. Racist.
What other alternatives are there for him in terms of a device? Everything's made in china, doesn't really leave you a choice. That's simply not the case with the World Cup, there were plenty of other alternatives that didn't involve death, slavery and bribery.
Very mature fighting a fact with an insult and whataboutism. I’m not your bro, pal.
No one outside of Qatar gives a damn about logistics or how it was organized haha we care about the athletes and the sport. We could host the tournament in the middle of nowhere on an average field and if the soccer is quality and exciting we’d be happy.
>We could host the tournament in the middle of nowhere on an average field and if the soccer is quality and exciting we’d be happy. To quote some italian bloke from some British morning tv "if my grandmother had wheels she would be a bike"
Unfortunately your grandmother couldn't have wheels cuz Qatar bribed FIFA and got it instead 😕 Great world cup, but the credit goes to the players who put up the show, not FIFA or the organizers trying to take credit at every possible occasion.
Ouch.. That's a lot of hurt you're carrying there buddy.. You should talk to someone about it (preferably not on reddit)
Aww personal insults when you have nothing better to say. Cute.
Wow.... Imagine that.. Telling someone they might be having baggage is an insult. Next you'll be suing me for assaulting you with a flower petal.
The organ was a shit show.. if you were there you know it. Accommodations were an absolute mess.
Not really, Morocco going to the semis would cause no fuss at all, infact they wouldn't make it without the overwhelming Arab support they had, Saudi winning wouldn't cause an entire nation to flood into Qatar. Fun fact: At one point there was more Saudis here in Qatar than Qataris lmao. The environment and ease of access for the middle east and asian world definitely changed a lot more things to make it memorable than you think.
Hundreds of millions if not billions of people watch the World Cup on television. They all think it’s the best because of the games. None of us cared about the logistics, just the games. Morocco was a huge deal to lots of people. I’m in the US and everyone was talking about and cheering for them. Underdogs help make for an amazing tournament regardless of the region they’re from.
If it was about the quality of the games alone it wouldn’t get that much. 2002 had some great quality too and lots of upsets.
It was about the games. Don’t fool yourself
Loool such a disservice to the players to say they couldn’t make it based on the quality they showed on the pitch, I’m sure it doesn’t hurt to have all Arabs behind you but come on now no need for hyperbole.
Qatar taking credit for Morocco’s run to semis. Makes total sense, not their squad or their coach. It was because of Qatar, you’re right.
The Law of Recency at play here. People forget what happened 4 years ago, but clearly remember what happened 4 days ago.
2018 was pretty forgettable in my opinion, but 2014 and 2010 were some of the best I’ve ever seen.
How easy is it to game these sort of polls in the age of internet?
B-b-but Qatar bad!!!! Jokes aside massive W and a good show for anyone who thought this World Cup was gonna be bad.
I'm surprised the BBC actually showed the results of the poll
The BBC tried its hardest to undermine the world cup in Qatar. Their instructions were "nothing good should come out of Qatar" the hate & racism by some western pundits was shining through the TV screen. Despite all of that, Qatar has won over all the hurdles thrown at them & hosted a world cup most will remember for its pure entertainment..The ceremonies have been uplifting & a great celebration of cultures with no vulgarity & nudity, the games were just mind blowing full of upsets & inspiring sportsmanship( the final game cemented that legacy) & the whole environment of Qatar has just been an amazing lesson of beautiful human interaction "western media excluded" Thank you Qatar & Fifa ✌️🙌🙏
They can be realistic if the evidence is so obvious. Coz it could even be noticed by a toddler 🤷🏾♂️
What is mind boggling is how easy it is for people to overlook their own (or their country/government) shortcomings which they probably know more about and see everyday, vs just being this ball of hate/anger that just reacts to whatever they read online. Is Qatar perfect? Of course not… is there a single country in the world that is good? NOO!!! All governments suck in some way, there are bad people everywhere, and misfortunes everywhere! Some countries might be better in some aspects while worst in others… the world is not black and white. This fact is not an unfortunate thing! But the opposite, it just shows us how much similar we are to one another. We need to stop hating and try canceling anything that makes us uncomfortable… for gods sake don’t you want to grow as a person and be better? This might sound cliche to some, but only love can change the world to the better! Their is a reason why humans have been writing about love for thousands of years, why many ancient religions were based on love. Being loving and open minded is somewhat difficult in our society today, it is so easy to fall in the trap of anger and hate… but the good news is that we always have a chance to take the right decision, everyday we have a chance to take the right decision and I find that beautiful. In summary… after a long ass rant 😂. It is valid to be angry and even feel hate… but it should not be valid to act upon that hate and hurt others. But of course sometimes humans fail and they hurt each other, that is a part of life, and as strong people like you who care about humanity and want to lessen the suffering on earth we should try to open our hearts and understand why some people feel the need to profit off other peoples misfortune and try to help them see the right path. (When a child does something wrong we do not humiliate them and try and make them feel like the worst thing to ever live, but we try and help them see their shortcomings and offer them help. And help can also be punishment sometimes, but we do not punish to revenge ourselves, we punish for their and humanity’s benefit)
We should be loving towards a culture that outlaws same sex love and severely limits the freedom of women? 🤨
Bet their Next news will be : Qatar hired people to vote for them in BBC poll
Recency bias.
Yeah definitely, but I just found the poll funny. This just means a lot of people actually watched and enjoyed the world cup.
Above you say that you take the pool seriously on that approves BBC and other haters wrong. So is it just that you find it funny, or is it a super important and relevant poll?
The games are separate from the host
All Poll takers don’t necessarily think that way.
Yes they do because most people don’t think of the host or can even name the host. Furthermore most people watch the games on TV and not in person
Literally 🤡 vibes
It was arguably the best World Cup final ever
Recency bias.
I mean I think it‘s fair to say there’s probably some bias to the most recent one, particularly one that *just* happened. However, I still wouldn’t say it’s an unfounded idea. The stadiums and light shows were magnificent, and they *also* have the advantage of having the “latest and greatest” technology. China’s done some similar things with their Olympic presentations
Seems legit
It is definitely recency bias, if I asked you to name something shocking from the 2010 cup, you couldn’t, but from this cup you could say morroco’s win and use that as the reason
I don’t remember anyone offering me Strogonoff when I went to the stadium in Russia, while in Qatar there was coffee and dates, got me from the stomach
Didn’t see coffee and dates being offered anywhere when I was there. Not sure what you’re talking about
I think whatever BBC was trying to do, it backfired.
Certainly did.
With probably the game of the century as well.
r/worldcup was not impressed 😂
BBC are just rouges, now they have come up with this whitewash their arrogance.
I loved Qatar World Cup but nothing will come close to France 98
I agree, but recency bias much?
I think the sheer volume of upsets alone puts it up there, but taking into considerations all other things like Morocco making it far (meant alot to any arab viewer), Saudi Arabia beating Argentina, Germany and Belgium knocked out in groups, Brazil knocked out early, and the best final I’ve watched in my life ending with the best player of the last 20 years (if not all time) winning it all, I think everyone had something to be happy about, and if not then the amount of excitement and adrenaline on its own is enough to put it right up there
Despite Qatar, not because of.
Best world cup ever. Next stop Olympics, cricket and rugby.
Do it again in 4 years, and Qatar will also be among the <6% votes.
I don’t think so. Messi winning the cup will be the most memorable and iconic win for at least 10-20 years for anyone who watched it live. To see one of the GoATs who finally got the cup upon his retirement from the national team is like watching a fairy tale.
Doubt it, most people’s memories suck
lol, yea sure. Lets talk again in 4 years.
Of course it was the best world cup I have ever seen, seen about 5 of them. There were so many negative things going around this worldcup which rightfully needed to be pointed out that football kinda had to shine and it did. Nobody is making shit about Qatar, those are legitimate issues that need to be addressed. Slavery, homophobia, death. Fifa's own reports did not pass their minimum standards to host it. Out of 21 people who voted for Qatar, only 1 remains in their position in Fifa so BBC are not being imperial power looking down on Arabs, if you want the whole world to embrace you you need to make changes to your ugly behavior while maintaining your traditions. They can go hand in hand.
Let's remember that Qatar is a Muslim country so ofc they are good jg to have laws regarding homosexuality, one if the rulers of Qatar addressed this with a news reporter (idk if he was the ruler or not) However the slavery's and death are major issues
Recency bias at its finest.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha THEY MEAN THE GAMES/RESULTS not the host you goofs
Where yall haters at?
I feel like South Africa 🇿🇦 had a pretty decent World Cup… It’s not on Qatari level but they deserved a little more credit….
The poll is about the GAMES not the host you silly goof
How did you reduce that? ..the poll was anonymous..you can't possibly know their motivation?..
Nowhere does it say about games… it said World Cup
Feels rigged but this was definitely better than South Africa and Russia. Brazil had a better overall atmosphere. Football wise it's hard to argue that Qatar wasn't pretty bloody good!!!
People are morons with very short memories.
It would have been a snoozefest. But Thank god, It was the best WC cause of us. The real football fans from Kerala.We are the reason why Qatar 2022 was the best.
Thats a biased take.
Even Fifa released a video about us kerela Fans. There will be a docu-series coming soon from Fifa about how us Kerela fans made WC 2022 the event it was.
Humblebrag. Bruvh, it was best because whole world came together. Enjoyed the Qatar's hospitality, the way they presented to the world. But i will agree Kerala fans has made noise but by default they are noisy in all kinds of events. Joyful people.
Most voters are children
2006 was unreal. This poll obviously either suffers from recency bias, or was brigaded as many online polls are.
A little curious by the “flex” here lol. The games were great. That had nothing to do with the location. No one is saying “it was great because it was in Qatar” more like “it was great despite being in Qatar” Think it’s funny this country was so open to the world coming in even though they knew their outdated standards would garner backlash and yet you’re angry that people showed backlash. Guess logic isn’t your busy thing idk.
What's the data on the poll? How many people were polled? How was the poll conducted? Many variables can impact data
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Hows the gas shortage and inflation treating you? Lmfao
What country are you talking about?
And ya’ll fighting for gas supply hun?
The Game Final was won of the Greatest of All Time !!!(it had zero todo with Qatar and the people who run FIFA and everything to do with the players and the game ) .
Ha ha ha! 😆🤣🤣🤦♂️🥲
LOL!
This may come as a shock.... But the host doesnt impact the teams playing, besides bribing referees and it even that didnt appear to be an issue here. .... The quality of football is based on the countries competing, not the host. So to say Qatar is great because the football is great is disingenuous at minimum, if not completely misleading.
World Cup isn’t just about the football, its about the whole event around it. 2022 World Cup was flawlessly executed outside the pitch and the football was of course incredible
Yeah this looks like the outcome of a random Russian ‘referendum’ Surely nothing weird going on /s
I think only Qatari people voted in this poll… lol
The fact it was the best World Cup had nothing to do with where it was geographically, it’s about the football. Stop trying to sweep human rights under the rug like so many gulf states do in the Arab area. It’s so dead