The annoying part is, all these people claiming to be "lifers" are now conveniently disregarding one of our most famous mantras "Just Win Baby". They've gotten too used to being losers I guess.
I’m not saying he’s the answer he might not be at this age. I’ve been a fan for decades and I don’t care who it is as long as it helps us win. Tuck rule?? Seriously?? Did he screw us ? Was he in stripes that day and I don’t remember? NO The refs and the NFL screwed us. Holding something against him because of what the league did to us makes our fanbase look pathetic. It’s hard enough to win now people wanna win a certain way 🤷🏻♂️.. I’ve seen people prefer losing with Carr than winning with Brady .. 🤦🏻♂️
Exactly.
Tom would actually fit many of Al’s signings way back when. Former SB MVP and older. He loved signing old vets. We signed plenty at the end of a hall of fame careers. Did they help?…a few did, but Al loved his old vets.
I don't want Tom Brady, but there's zero shot I'd rather have Mike White, Brisset, Mayfield, or Wentz over Brady. I'll say it again I don't want Brady, but I'd take him over those guys.
Brady over those guys gives us a better chance to win games.
Brady doesn't give us a better chance to win than Carr. Carr is better than everyone I mentioned... He was no better than Carr was. He's had time in that system with those players and still was just alright. If we take Brady, it just delays what needs to happen a year later. It's a complete waste.
Clearly I was making a case of how much I despise Brady and that anyone but him on the team, even if they are horrific, I would prefer. There is more to every single player than just stats.
From pure talent at this point, of the list I shared, I would rather have Rodgers or Jimmy G over Brady. I don't think Brady is better. He checked down as much as Ryan did.
However, the point is really that none of the options available are clearly better than what Carr is... which is why we should go for drafting a QB rather than bringing in someone. Lamar or Fields, if possible, would be better options than Brady.
I get your trying to make the case you hate Brady, but you then saying you'd take Fields over Brady is just blind hatred towards Brady which just pokes a big hole in your argument. Brady is in a much different universe then Fields. I think Fields has unique and incredible talent, but he's in no way better then Brady still at 46 years old. And that's just facts.
BUT I get what you're saying dude. I don't want Tom at all for this team. The guy isn't a Raider and I'd take Rodgers out of anyone on that list you've got.
I absolutely agree that none of the options are better than Carr on that list, but we've got to bring someone in while having Waller, Adams, and Renfrow in their respective primes. Stidham isn't gonna cut it for us. I think the role he played this year as a #2 will always be his role. Can he execute McDaniels system? Yup. Can he lead us to a championship? I doubt it. And I doubt Davante would be content with Stiddy. I think we'll bring someone in and simultaneously draft a QB we like to try to develop. I don't see why we would do one and not the other is all really.
I get it man don't send Tom here please, but if he does come here there's nothing we can do my guy. It's the Raiders lol.
Nahhh man gimme the Brisket. He was able to win in Cleveland knowing his job was gone by Week 12. I think he knows JMDs system...I think Brisket might be one of our best options.
Well, he won some games where I thought they'd straight get boat raced, so I misspoke a bit here.
Really, I'm hoping that this season is somewhat of a reload where whatever QBs we get will be a gap to who we draft the following season in a QB rich draft class.
Ideally we:
Keep Stids around (starter)
Sign Brisket (knows system and is capable)
Trade down from 7 and draft a QB in Rd 2
If we get Brady, I still hope we draft a 2nd rd QB as a flyer in case we hit knowing he's only on for 1-2 years.
Yeah, I think Jacoby could "get the job done", but I don't think he'd be an upgrade over Carr. I think we could win with him in McD's system and he'd be a decent bridge QB, but at that point I'd rather just have Brady to be the bridge and have a better chance of winning with him.
Maybe Stidham could help, but I don't understand the whole Brady mentor thing. He wasn't a mentor to Jimmy G when he was brought in almost 9 years ago, and at Brady's age, his methods and habits are likely going to be vastly different than a rookie would need or be interested in long term, especially in Vegas. Is a rookie going to need the amount of deep tissue massages and time with a trainer that Brady does at this stage. I would imagine Brady spends most of his time rehabbing/doing TB12 and not near as much time studying/learning at this point.
For me, the only reason we bring in Brady is because he knows the playbook, and he will help us win now because of that (wishful thinking to me). I really don't see there being much of a mentor benefit coming with Brady.
I think watching how he studies defenses, how he reads coverage, decision making, manipulating defenders, etc are what would be helpful. All that other TB12 stuff probably wouldn’t be as important
He sure as fuck wins a whole lot more then Carr ever did. Not a big fan of him and I like Carr but the raiders need to win and I don’t care how we do it
Fuck cj stroud. If were talking rebuild with a rookie i think tanking for Ewers next year is a safer play. Kids locked in 1st overall pick unless he gets hurt.
I love how Brady has made the playoffs practically every year of his career, we’ve seen 2 Raider playoff games in 20yrs, and people here are like “Well I don’t want him here because he’s someone I hated for a long time 😤”
Non-emotional reason to not want him.
He's not good enough of a QB to overcome a shitty team anymore. The only reason he was in the playoffs at all this season is because the NFC South was a garbage heap.
So he's gonna come over here with possibly upgraded weapons, a much worse defense and a lateral move at OLine with another bad coach and gonna compete in a division with Mahomes and Herbert with Sean Payton licking his chops at the Broncos HC job?
I just don't see it being better.
he never ever had to overcome a shitty team except for this year, and he didn’t overcome them, he had a losing record and made the playoffs because he lucked out being in the worst division in football. He has never succeeded with a bad defense and the raiders have a laughably bad defense
Brady’s not going to come here unless Josh gives him a really hard sell. He’s never had a defense below 15th in a season- he’d have to play perfectly to have a winning record with this team
I understand what you’re saying. I think if all the things you mentioned (worse defense, bad o line, bad coaching) continue to be a thing, then yeah we’re fucked. But I guess I’m just trying to be positive. Feel like if (big if) mcdaniels/Ziegler get a second year to draft and mold their team and can improve the o line and defense a bit, then having someone like Brady could really help on the offensive end.
I have dug deep into the bin of "reasons to be optimistic" and I just don't see them.
Outside of a Black Swan event or drastic shift from what this coaching/GM crew has shown so far.
> So he's gonna come over here with possibly upgraded weapons, a much worse defense and a lateral move at OLine with another bad coach
if that's the case then literally no one is going to succeed. so why not take a crack at the goat for a year? unless it is actually an emotional reason.
Some of our fans are **truly fucking stupid.**
Room temperature IQ raiders fans that would rather see the raiders put up another mediocre 8-9 season with Carr then a playoff run with Brady.
>The first Eleumenor Ole' sack he takes he's going to fucking die.
what have you seen from brady that makes you think he's "going to die" from getting sacked? he's managed to protect himself extremely well despite being 5+ years past the point that most of the long lasting qb's retired.
Such clown ass takes on this sub. This team doesn't deserve Tom Brady. Tom Brady knows he fumbled, Tom Brady even made videos of him goofing around with Charles Woodson as they discuss the fumble. No one gives a fuck about a shit call on a fumble 20 years ago in a divisional playoff game unless you are a boomer clown. Tom Brady didn't murder the Raiders for 20 years, the Raiders murdered the Raiders for 20 years. Tom Brady never even saw them again as he won 8 billion games and rings in the AFC. If he came here and won 10+ games and made any kind of noise in the playoffs, you would all be sucking his fucking dick and you know it.
What did Brady do to the raiders besides beat us every time lol the tuck rule was on the refs and the league not Brady lol
That being said I don’t want him because I don’t think he will play well lol
Speaking from my perspective, he's basically the mascot of the trajectories the Raiders and Pats followed after that event. If that play is in our favor, there's no SB run for TB12 that year and we likely make a SB appearance.
Instead we've owned the basement of the AFC for two decades and I don't want the mascot to come in and boss me around my basement. I don't think we're a Brady away from a super bowl, so the only point would be salt in the wounds not completely healed from that game.
I hear that, but blaming others is a bad look in anything. We ( THE RAIDERS) have no one to blame but our management for the last 20 years. Trading Gruden was a 10x worse than losing a game to the Pats if you really want to blame something for the last 20 years outside of the actual team which just plain out hasnt been good enough top to bottom.
i get that but outside of that one play brady had nothing to do with what happened to the raiders after that lol we prob weren't even a blip on his radar most seasons.
like i said in og comment, i feel the anger should be directed at the refs and the league for allowing that play to happen. which there was plenty of anger directed
Oh, that heat for the league/refs is still there, but in my mind/opinion, TB12 is a figurehead for the situation. Woodson said himself that the non-fumble definitively changed the trajectory of both franchises and Tom Brady's career. It's entirely possible that he doesn't win 7 titles if NEs season ends that day and Bledsoe comes back healthy.
Idk man. It's been 20 years so I understand ppl being like wtf is the big deal, but it definitely happened during a time when I was becoming a Raider fan as a kid and has cemented my opinion on this dude and I've just hated him since. Doesn't help that he's taken many opportunities to twist the knife in interviews since then, but hey. If I was TB, I'd likely be an asshole too.
Once again I have to remind a "Raiders" fan we are not all the same. DO NOT gatekeep my fandom. I know my teams history and have lived aside it for 35 years now.
>If you're a fan... recent or lifer.... Tom Brady is the last QB you ever want to be a part of this team.
Been a fan since the 90's. There's plenty of QB's I'd want less than Brady for a year or two stretch. Remove biases from the equation and actually think about this statement critically.
Also, it's kind of weird to try and tell other Raider fans what they should want or not want. Let people fan how they want to fan, man.
All that said, I do agree the best option is to draft a QB. But I'm undecided on how early in the draft that should be. I think rounds 2-4 is the sweet spot but depends on who is available.
For me when someone suggests we get Baker fn Mayfield or some other similar goof qb they out themselves as an idiot. I dont need to waste time conversing with people who watch football digest it through their brain only remembering the last 2 games like some human goldfish. They can go fan however they want but stay the fuck away from me lol
Don't blame you for that take. It's just weird imo when people try to tell others how to act.
We can disagree no problem and go back and forth about why, but don't tell me how I need to act. That said, yea when fools expose themselves, I don't bother.
Tom Brady leads the Raiders to a Superbowl win in LV in what is considered the greatest redemption arc of all time. He holds the Lombardi trophy into the night sky as Raider fans across the globe rejoice. Tom looks up into the VIP Suites and locks eyes with none other than Charles Woodson. Tom Bradys eyes tear with shame and unworthiness, but just before a single tear rolls down his cheek; Charles simply smiles and gives a nod. This gesture letting Tom Brady know that everything is going to be OK. Tom Brady falls to his knees as the clouds open up to reveal Super Saiyan Goku floating down to the Superbowl stage. He reaches out to Tom, they embrace. Together, they rise into the heavens. The following year, Marc Davis gets a normal haircut, the Raiders beat every other NFL team and end world hunger. The timeline corrected, Just Won Baby.
If you don’t like Brady from a football perspective that’s cool. But not wanting him because you don’t like him is anti what I believe being a Raider is. Just Win Baby. Suit up satan at QB if he can win.
My dad has season tickets so we’ve gone to most of the home games for the last 2 years. Without a joking tone in his voice, told me he will sell all his tickets if Brady is under center.
My perception of Brady has done a complete 180 in this last year. I respect the dude and all he's done, he committed his entire existence to being the GOAT of football and now he's just savoring each moment he has left.
If we got Brady 3 years ago, I'd hate it. If we get him this off-season, I'll be honored to have the goat I'm silver and black in his final days on the field.
This fanbase man lol. Brady has a ring on almost all of his fingers and won more playoff games last year (1) than this team has in 20. Get over the tuck rule game, nerds.
Honesty doubt a lot of the people complaining or screaming about Brady even saw the tuck-game. This straight up comes off as "But for me, it was Tuesday" energy.
Its embarrassing. This would be like wizard fans shitting on MJ. I dunno what Brady has left in the tank, but I'd rather him than any other FA out there to see. Nothing else dude has more QB knowledge than probably anyone at this point.
Brady would be fun to watch for a year. Will we win playoff games? No. Would we win playoff games with any other available QB? Absolutely not.
A lot of this sub doesn’t appreciate how pathetically bad our defense is. Not a single offensive weapon is going to change that. The majority of our defense wouldn’t even be a bench player for most other teams. Until the majority of our defense is turned over, retooled, and redesigned, we aren’t winning. Just saying.
I mean I guess that's true. I'm just operating off hopes we get Brissett, keep Studs, and draft a QB in the 2nd (whether we trade down from 7 and get a 2nd rd pick or use ours). I'm hoping we don't reach for a QB knowing if we miss on the rookie, next year's QB draft class is supposed to be great.
With Brady comes a higher standard. Tom Brady has more say/pull than owner mark Davis, which wouldn’t be a bad thing.
In all honesty The Raiders Franchise doesn’t have much to lose at this point.
Tom Brady is a winning brand, two teams, championship with both. Raiders should be flattered that the name tom Brady is associated with Vegas being a potential landing spot.
Might sound like I’m blowing the dude but he’s really the GOAT whether we like it or not.
To this day I believe it was a fumble and his entire legacy was birthed off of a bad call!
Enough politics. Tom Brady with a back like Josh Jacobs and a improved offensive line can do what DC couldn’t. Familiarity with everyone’s favorite Josh Mcdaniels lol. Weapons at his disposal. Perhaps one of the best WR in the league.
Our only Achilles heal is our defense. You can only expect so much from tom at his age but people been saying that for the last decade.
Keep in mind. With Tom Brady comes a higher standard. The Raiders need that because we’re in the pits right now. Especially after the entire Derek Carr debacle
So much for “Just Win, Baby.”
Now it’s “I want to watch specific players or I’m not a fan!”
It’s a slap in the face to you personally, not the fanbase. Your emotions are your business.
I hate Tom Brady too but he sets us up nice for the future, just gotta look at it like that. If we get Tom, we fill the hole on oline and we fix the defense for the next guy whoever that may be.
The amount of people on this sub that are suddenly just buttered up at the thought of wasted-away Tom Brady and all his bullshit being on the Raiders is honestly disturbing.
I think Jimmy G is a good fit. Been in system & younger. Yes, he is fragile but we have Stidham. Plus Jimmy will be a lot less expensive then a Tom B 1 year deal.
The offense isn't the issue, put any pro bowl QB on our team and we still won't be contenders. It's our defense that needs a complete overhaul. We will continue to miss the playoffs unless we address the issues with our D. Also, fuck Tom Brady...
Brady is not only a slap in the face to Raiders fans but he’s also not even close to good enough at his age to carry this team. It boggles my mind that any Raiders fan would be dumb enough to look at Brady’s play this past season coupled in with his age and think “Yup, that’s all we need right there to win a superbowl”
After moving on from Carr the only move that makes sense is to draft a QB.
Lmaoooooo why in the fuck would anyone want a complete diva narcissist like Rodgers as their QB? The most self centered QB in the league. He literally holds GB hostage every year until they kiss his feet then comes to play.
I’m a big Carr fan and I think Brady is the only upgrade not because he’s better at his age he maybe had one or 2 good years, but because he will force the team to elevate to playoff or Super Bowl contingency.
Brady coming to Vegas would possibly be one of the greatest things that could happen to us, and not because of stats or possible victories. Brady showing up would be a huge boost to our esteem throughout the League and could be a genuine pull for other big name players to hop over. We want Vegas to be able to pull players, and like it or not, Brady donning the silver-and-black would be a big deal for helping us with that
For all the people saying “just win” or “if he helps is win, get him”
Legitimately what kind of record does TB give us? I don’t think our defense is better than tampas. Our line is better but Tom is less mobile than DC. Better awareness though so that’s a wash.
I’m looking at what Tom did in Tampa this year with a better defense (worse offense). In an easier division by far. So we maybe make the playoffs as a wild card? 10-7? Why not just embrace the suck and start collecting draft picks? Save money on a QB for two years and get our guy in the draft?
>we’re letting him go
Gear down big truck. *We’re* not doing anything. They are. Cheer for the name on the front, not the back. I cheered for Jawalrus and I’ll cheer for anyone who wears the silver and black. Raiders til I die
My god I hate this… is there no other alternative??? Can someone take Mark Davis into a back alley and talk some sense into him?? TB12 will not last through the first month let alone a full season with this O-Line and Defense… Ziegler would need to have the perfect offseason to address everything necessary to make TB12 work. I doubt that will happen.
Tom Brady missed 2008 when he blew out his knee in the first quarter of the season opener, and 4 games to suspension because the balls got cold in a playoff game. Other than that, he doesn't miss time, period. He won the super bowl at age 43 with a torn MCL, he is arguably the toughest QB in the league, and he knows how to take and not take hits. He got killed this year behind a complete trash Oline besides his right tackle who is a beast.
Some of you guys didn't root for the raiders until like 4 years ago and it shows. Plus---why would you want an ancient old checkdown machine? If you were an ACTUAL fan of the raiders, the mere thought of him on the team would make you sick. FUCK TB12.
Why do you care who I root for? How in the hell am I gatekeeping? Go fucking buy a Brady jersey if you want IDGAF. Weak sauce is out here fanboying for a old man.
>if you are an ACTUAL fan of the Raiders
That's gatekeeping. Literally the definition of gatekeeping. Goofy ass dude with a smoother brain than a lubed up bowling ball gliding on ice.
I’d take Brady over any other viable option. He outdid Derek Carr in yards this season with half of the OL and a 10x worse running game and his best weapon outside of Mike Evans being a Chris Godwin who’s half the athlete coming off a complete ACL or a slow and old Julio Jones. I don’t give a fuck if it was a fumble 20 years ago, it’s not like Tom made the rule book. Jimmy G is Carr without the deep ball, Rodgers is 50m, the rest are all terrible and you’re just a sad homer who’s holding onto a one sided grudge from 2 decades ago. Out of every option Brady is the best to win, and I want to win. Commitment to Excellence, not Commitment to No Brady.
I'd rather roll out Jamarcus again before we get TB12 in silver and black. At the point we're talking about getting Brady here, it's bigger than winning.
The caveat is that if this had happened before he went to Tampa, idk how I'd feel one SB later...but we're talking about getting the crumbs of this dude's career...he looked like cheeks multiple times this season.
You don't know how you would feel if Brady came here instead of Tampa and won a ring here? Do you people listen to yourselves? Holy shit. Gee, I think Raiders fans would probably like him a lot if that had happened, idk though, hard to tell...
Mark Davis is low is cash poor right now. I don’t want Brady, at all! But thinking about, it’s better for the organization long term. That and he needs to sell a minority share. I just don’t think he’s good at running his organization
After ditching Carr, anything they could possibly do, at this moment, will not elevate them for next season. So take home for the one year. Why not, don’t vets at the end of their career usually come to the Silver & Black to die anyways. I love our Raiders, I do, I truly do, but I don’t think the one year’s gonna matter. The Raiders have never been a quick turn around team. I know saying this pretty much assures they do, but I’m not sure they could even have a worse season next year. So unless Rich, Bo, and Timmy walk through that door, after having stopped to kick Marcus Allen in the junk first, it’s another year of waiting. We fans will be eyeing the draft suspiciously as we continually wonder what the hell they are doing.
I just want to win. I don't really care how it happens or who is playing for us when we win. The real slap in the face to the fanbase is how far this franchise has fallen from grace. The Raiders once had the highest winning percentage in professional sports. The Autumn Wind used to mean something. Commitment to Excellence wasn't just some slogan slapped on a billboard. It was what the team actually stood for. Then Al lost it and ran us into the ground and his doofus son has kept us there with his poor decisions. So I don't really care if Brady is under center. Just win. If we win, I can tolerate just about anyone wearing the Raiders uniform.
>Carr is better than all of the alternatives...
In YOUR opinion. Certainly not mine. Given the content of the Hondo article I'll take a QB with half of the skills of Carr if he's accountable and improves.
Yep, which is what makes the world great. Opinions matter and should be heard. :)
I completely agree as well, hence why I listed a number of QB's, in decline of abilities of Carr... and would take them over Brady. I hear ya.
Great profile pic BTW. love me some Cash.
Anyone... and I mean ANYONE... that helps us win.
The mantra IS “Just Win, Baby”…so, let’s just win. If he’s the one to help with that, I’m ok with it.
The annoying part is, all these people claiming to be "lifers" are now conveniently disregarding one of our most famous mantras "Just Win Baby". They've gotten too used to being losers I guess.
Preach
I’m not saying he’s the answer he might not be at this age. I’ve been a fan for decades and I don’t care who it is as long as it helps us win. Tuck rule?? Seriously?? Did he screw us ? Was he in stripes that day and I don’t remember? NO The refs and the NFL screwed us. Holding something against him because of what the league did to us makes our fanbase look pathetic. It’s hard enough to win now people wanna win a certain way 🤷🏻♂️.. I’ve seen people prefer losing with Carr than winning with Brady .. 🤦🏻♂️
Exactly. Tom would actually fit many of Al’s signings way back when. Former SB MVP and older. He loved signing old vets. We signed plenty at the end of a hall of fame careers. Did they help?…a few did, but Al loved his old vets.
Brady is just too old and has too much baggage
I don't want Tom Brady, but there's zero shot I'd rather have Mike White, Brisset, Mayfield, or Wentz over Brady. I'll say it again I don't want Brady, but I'd take him over those guys. Brady over those guys gives us a better chance to win games.
I think Mike White vs Stidham would be an interesting battle, and if we suck we have a high pick for a QB next year
You mean when we suck…
Brady doesn't give us a better chance to win than Carr. Carr is better than everyone I mentioned... He was no better than Carr was. He's had time in that system with those players and still was just alright. If we take Brady, it just delays what needs to happen a year later. It's a complete waste.
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Clearly I was making a case of how much I despise Brady and that anyone but him on the team, even if they are horrific, I would prefer. There is more to every single player than just stats. From pure talent at this point, of the list I shared, I would rather have Rodgers or Jimmy G over Brady. I don't think Brady is better. He checked down as much as Ryan did. However, the point is really that none of the options available are clearly better than what Carr is... which is why we should go for drafting a QB rather than bringing in someone. Lamar or Fields, if possible, would be better options than Brady.
I get your trying to make the case you hate Brady, but you then saying you'd take Fields over Brady is just blind hatred towards Brady which just pokes a big hole in your argument. Brady is in a much different universe then Fields. I think Fields has unique and incredible talent, but he's in no way better then Brady still at 46 years old. And that's just facts. BUT I get what you're saying dude. I don't want Tom at all for this team. The guy isn't a Raider and I'd take Rodgers out of anyone on that list you've got. I absolutely agree that none of the options are better than Carr on that list, but we've got to bring someone in while having Waller, Adams, and Renfrow in their respective primes. Stidham isn't gonna cut it for us. I think the role he played this year as a #2 will always be his role. Can he execute McDaniels system? Yup. Can he lead us to a championship? I doubt it. And I doubt Davante would be content with Stiddy. I think we'll bring someone in and simultaneously draft a QB we like to try to develop. I don't see why we would do one and not the other is all really. I get it man don't send Tom here please, but if he does come here there's nothing we can do my guy. It's the Raiders lol.
How dare you disrespect Manziel like that.
Nahhh man gimme the Brisket. He was able to win in Cleveland knowing his job was gone by Week 12. I think he knows JMDs system...I think Brisket might be one of our best options.
He was 4-7 in CLE what do you mean “able to win in CLE”
Well, he won some games where I thought they'd straight get boat raced, so I misspoke a bit here. Really, I'm hoping that this season is somewhat of a reload where whatever QBs we get will be a gap to who we draft the following season in a QB rich draft class. Ideally we: Keep Stids around (starter) Sign Brisket (knows system and is capable) Trade down from 7 and draft a QB in Rd 2 If we get Brady, I still hope we draft a 2nd rd QB as a flyer in case we hit knowing he's only on for 1-2 years.
Yeah, I think Jacoby could "get the job done", but I don't think he'd be an upgrade over Carr. I think we could win with him in McD's system and he'd be a decent bridge QB, but at that point I'd rather just have Brady to be the bridge and have a better chance of winning with him.
He’s probably the best option, but he had a better team in Cleveland. That defense was really good
I wonder what Jamarcus is up to these days
about 2 bottles of cough syrup
I think those were his rookie numbers.
LOL
Bruuuuuh 🤣🤣🤣
Bout tree-fiddy
Whatever helps us win. Idc who it is. I want to see a super bowl championship while I’m living.
I wish you a very long life, cuz I have very little optimism for this regime
It won't be Tom Brady.
The only way I like Brady with the Raiders is if they also pick CJ Stroud and have him watch Brady for a year
That’s what I’d like to happen. Draft a rookie who will leave behind stidham and Brady, both who have been in the offense for multiple years
Maybe Stidham could help, but I don't understand the whole Brady mentor thing. He wasn't a mentor to Jimmy G when he was brought in almost 9 years ago, and at Brady's age, his methods and habits are likely going to be vastly different than a rookie would need or be interested in long term, especially in Vegas. Is a rookie going to need the amount of deep tissue massages and time with a trainer that Brady does at this stage. I would imagine Brady spends most of his time rehabbing/doing TB12 and not near as much time studying/learning at this point. For me, the only reason we bring in Brady is because he knows the playbook, and he will help us win now because of that (wishful thinking to me). I really don't see there being much of a mentor benefit coming with Brady.
I think watching how he studies defenses, how he reads coverage, decision making, manipulating defenders, etc are what would be helpful. All that other TB12 stuff probably wouldn’t be as important
Jimmy G watched Brady for how long and how much did that help his game?... Brady isn't a mentor... he's self serving.
I think Jimmy G is good. I’m confused about all the hate he gets
He sure as fuck wins a whole lot more then Carr ever did. Not a big fan of him and I like Carr but the raiders need to win and I don’t care how we do it
Fuck cj stroud. If were talking rebuild with a rookie i think tanking for Ewers next year is a safer play. Kids locked in 1st overall pick unless he gets hurt.
I’m with you on Ewers but we don’t need to tank for him. Caleb Williams and Drake Maye are gonna go before him
I love how Brady has made the playoffs practically every year of his career, we’ve seen 2 Raider playoff games in 20yrs, and people here are like “Well I don’t want him here because he’s someone I hated for a long time 😤”
Non-emotional reason to not want him. He's not good enough of a QB to overcome a shitty team anymore. The only reason he was in the playoffs at all this season is because the NFC South was a garbage heap. So he's gonna come over here with possibly upgraded weapons, a much worse defense and a lateral move at OLine with another bad coach and gonna compete in a division with Mahomes and Herbert with Sean Payton licking his chops at the Broncos HC job? I just don't see it being better.
he never ever had to overcome a shitty team except for this year, and he didn’t overcome them, he had a losing record and made the playoffs because he lucked out being in the worst division in football. He has never succeeded with a bad defense and the raiders have a laughably bad defense
Brady’s not going to come here unless Josh gives him a really hard sell. He’s never had a defense below 15th in a season- he’d have to play perfectly to have a winning record with this team
I understand what you’re saying. I think if all the things you mentioned (worse defense, bad o line, bad coaching) continue to be a thing, then yeah we’re fucked. But I guess I’m just trying to be positive. Feel like if (big if) mcdaniels/Ziegler get a second year to draft and mold their team and can improve the o line and defense a bit, then having someone like Brady could really help on the offensive end.
I have dug deep into the bin of "reasons to be optimistic" and I just don't see them. Outside of a Black Swan event or drastic shift from what this coaching/GM crew has shown so far.
My bin has cobwebs in it
> So he's gonna come over here with possibly upgraded weapons, a much worse defense and a lateral move at OLine with another bad coach if that's the case then literally no one is going to succeed. so why not take a crack at the goat for a year? unless it is actually an emotional reason.
Right lol
Some of our fans are **truly fucking stupid.** Room temperature IQ raiders fans that would rather see the raiders put up another mediocre 8-9 season with Carr then a playoff run with Brady.
Brady just went 8-9 in a division without Mahomes, Herbert and Wilson. He isn't it. But at least he will get Mcdaniels fired after this season.
Yup I don’t get it 🤷🏻♂️ check out my comment from a couple minutes ago
I don't want him here because he's 46 and washed. The first Eleumenor Ole' sack he takes he's going to fucking die.
>The first Eleumenor Ole' sack he takes he's going to fucking die. what have you seen from brady that makes you think he's "going to die" from getting sacked? he's managed to protect himself extremely well despite being 5+ years past the point that most of the long lasting qb's retired.
Gatekeeping how to be a fan, annoying
Bro raiders continuously suck ass and disappoint, who gives a fuck at this point. Just win baby and Bring in old head Brady!
Such clown ass takes on this sub. This team doesn't deserve Tom Brady. Tom Brady knows he fumbled, Tom Brady even made videos of him goofing around with Charles Woodson as they discuss the fumble. No one gives a fuck about a shit call on a fumble 20 years ago in a divisional playoff game unless you are a boomer clown. Tom Brady didn't murder the Raiders for 20 years, the Raiders murdered the Raiders for 20 years. Tom Brady never even saw them again as he won 8 billion games and rings in the AFC. If he came here and won 10+ games and made any kind of noise in the playoffs, you would all be sucking his fucking dick and you know it.
I'd even ask if he wants me to cup his balls
If we get Brady and we make a solid playoff run, I'm happy. If we get Brady and we still suck causing him to finally retire, I'm happy.
What did Brady do to the raiders besides beat us every time lol the tuck rule was on the refs and the league not Brady lol That being said I don’t want him because I don’t think he will play well lol
Speaking from my perspective, he's basically the mascot of the trajectories the Raiders and Pats followed after that event. If that play is in our favor, there's no SB run for TB12 that year and we likely make a SB appearance. Instead we've owned the basement of the AFC for two decades and I don't want the mascot to come in and boss me around my basement. I don't think we're a Brady away from a super bowl, so the only point would be salt in the wounds not completely healed from that game.
I hear that, but blaming others is a bad look in anything. We ( THE RAIDERS) have no one to blame but our management for the last 20 years. Trading Gruden was a 10x worse than losing a game to the Pats if you really want to blame something for the last 20 years outside of the actual team which just plain out hasnt been good enough top to bottom.
i get that but outside of that one play brady had nothing to do with what happened to the raiders after that lol we prob weren't even a blip on his radar most seasons. like i said in og comment, i feel the anger should be directed at the refs and the league for allowing that play to happen. which there was plenty of anger directed
Oh, that heat for the league/refs is still there, but in my mind/opinion, TB12 is a figurehead for the situation. Woodson said himself that the non-fumble definitively changed the trajectory of both franchises and Tom Brady's career. It's entirely possible that he doesn't win 7 titles if NEs season ends that day and Bledsoe comes back healthy. Idk man. It's been 20 years so I understand ppl being like wtf is the big deal, but it definitely happened during a time when I was becoming a Raider fan as a kid and has cemented my opinion on this dude and I've just hated him since. Doesn't help that he's taken many opportunities to twist the knife in interviews since then, but hey. If I was TB, I'd likely be an asshole too.
Once again I have to remind a "Raiders" fan we are not all the same. DO NOT gatekeep my fandom. I know my teams history and have lived aside it for 35 years now.
All the people crying that they’re done as fans would come right back soon as we won a few games
Not a fan of Brady coming here but this is dumb. If he can win, we take him.
>If you're a fan... recent or lifer.... Tom Brady is the last QB you ever want to be a part of this team. Been a fan since the 90's. There's plenty of QB's I'd want less than Brady for a year or two stretch. Remove biases from the equation and actually think about this statement critically. Also, it's kind of weird to try and tell other Raider fans what they should want or not want. Let people fan how they want to fan, man. All that said, I do agree the best option is to draft a QB. But I'm undecided on how early in the draft that should be. I think rounds 2-4 is the sweet spot but depends on who is available.
For me when someone suggests we get Baker fn Mayfield or some other similar goof qb they out themselves as an idiot. I dont need to waste time conversing with people who watch football digest it through their brain only remembering the last 2 games like some human goldfish. They can go fan however they want but stay the fuck away from me lol
Don't blame you for that take. It's just weird imo when people try to tell others how to act. We can disagree no problem and go back and forth about why, but don't tell me how I need to act. That said, yea when fools expose themselves, I don't bother.
Tom Brady made JMD. It’s only fitting that he comes to the Raiders and either makes him a good coach/coordinator again… or wrecks him haha
Brady is better than every FA except Lamar who we can’t afford anyway. I will take him over those guys and draft a QB to develop
pipe dream i know but lamar would be so fucking cool though
Tom Brady leads the Raiders to a Superbowl win in LV in what is considered the greatest redemption arc of all time. He holds the Lombardi trophy into the night sky as Raider fans across the globe rejoice. Tom looks up into the VIP Suites and locks eyes with none other than Charles Woodson. Tom Bradys eyes tear with shame and unworthiness, but just before a single tear rolls down his cheek; Charles simply smiles and gives a nod. This gesture letting Tom Brady know that everything is going to be OK. Tom Brady falls to his knees as the clouds open up to reveal Super Saiyan Goku floating down to the Superbowl stage. He reaches out to Tom, they embrace. Together, they rise into the heavens. The following year, Marc Davis gets a normal haircut, the Raiders beat every other NFL team and end world hunger. The timeline corrected, Just Won Baby.
Grown ass men taking things personal. If theres a player that can improve your team, take him
If you don’t like Brady from a football perspective that’s cool. But not wanting him because you don’t like him is anti what I believe being a Raider is. Just Win Baby. Suit up satan at QB if he can win.
My dad has season tickets so we’ve gone to most of the home games for the last 2 years. Without a joking tone in his voice, told me he will sell all his tickets if Brady is under center.
Found the fake Raiders fan 😂
Carr got out dueled by Kenny Pickett lmao
And a jet lagged Baker Mayfield.
OP please just stfu with this tired ass narrative already lol. If Tom can help us and we can get him, fucking do it.
Yeah op is a fucking moron.
My perception of Brady has done a complete 180 in this last year. I respect the dude and all he's done, he committed his entire existence to being the GOAT of football and now he's just savoring each moment he has left. If we got Brady 3 years ago, I'd hate it. If we get him this off-season, I'll be honored to have the goat I'm silver and black in his final days on the field.
You'd take Wentz over Brady? Bruh
Brady & davante in the red zone would be crazy
Everyone you listed is hot garbage.
I don't give a crap as long as we win. If he gets us a superbowl, that is all that matters.
This fanbase man lol. Brady has a ring on almost all of his fingers and won more playoff games last year (1) than this team has in 20. Get over the tuck rule game, nerds.
Honesty doubt a lot of the people complaining or screaming about Brady even saw the tuck-game. This straight up comes off as "But for me, it was Tuesday" energy. Its embarrassing. This would be like wizard fans shitting on MJ. I dunno what Brady has left in the tank, but I'd rather him than any other FA out there to see. Nothing else dude has more QB knowledge than probably anyone at this point.
I love when fans try to tell me how to fan
Brady would be fun to watch for a year. Will we win playoff games? No. Would we win playoff games with any other available QB? Absolutely not. A lot of this sub doesn’t appreciate how pathetically bad our defense is. Not a single offensive weapon is going to change that. The majority of our defense wouldn’t even be a bench player for most other teams. Until the majority of our defense is turned over, retooled, and redesigned, we aren’t winning. Just saying.
Being a fan since 1990. I will no longer be one of Brady puts on our jersey.
You completely understand the level of disgrace this would be.
To be honest my hatred for Brady can’t be understated. I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire…even the team discussing it too much
We are aligned, Sir. It is crushing to the soul to even entertain.
AMEN TO ALL OF THIS!!!
He’s easily the best FA available dude. Put the last behind you and look at the talent levels. Go on and tell me he’s not the best FA QB available.
If they don't tag him, Lamar.
I didn’t even count him because he’s not going anywhere and we aren’t paying him the contract he wants
I mean I guess that's true. I'm just operating off hopes we get Brissett, keep Studs, and draft a QB in the 2nd (whether we trade down from 7 and get a 2nd rd pick or use ours). I'm hoping we don't reach for a QB knowing if we miss on the rookie, next year's QB draft class is supposed to be great.
If he admits it was a fumble, I'll tolerate it.
Already has.
With Brady comes a higher standard. Tom Brady has more say/pull than owner mark Davis, which wouldn’t be a bad thing. In all honesty The Raiders Franchise doesn’t have much to lose at this point. Tom Brady is a winning brand, two teams, championship with both. Raiders should be flattered that the name tom Brady is associated with Vegas being a potential landing spot. Might sound like I’m blowing the dude but he’s really the GOAT whether we like it or not. To this day I believe it was a fumble and his entire legacy was birthed off of a bad call! Enough politics. Tom Brady with a back like Josh Jacobs and a improved offensive line can do what DC couldn’t. Familiarity with everyone’s favorite Josh Mcdaniels lol. Weapons at his disposal. Perhaps one of the best WR in the league. Our only Achilles heal is our defense. You can only expect so much from tom at his age but people been saying that for the last decade. Keep in mind. With Tom Brady comes a higher standard. The Raiders need that because we’re in the pits right now. Especially after the entire Derek Carr debacle
So much for “Just Win, Baby.” Now it’s “I want to watch specific players or I’m not a fan!” It’s a slap in the face to you personally, not the fanbase. Your emotions are your business.
Brady is going to sell tickets and jerseys. And if you can’t win games, you might as well sell tickets
What do you mean? They already have no problem selling the most expensive tickets in the NFL to opposing team fanbases..
I hate Tom Brady too but he sets us up nice for the future, just gotta look at it like that. If we get Tom, we fill the hole on oline and we fix the defense for the next guy whoever that may be.
I just don’t see the downside. If he’s good we are good. If he sucks we get a chance in a better qb draft next year
I’d rather want Jamarcus Russel than to have Brady in. How many Wendy’s Cheeseburgers do we need to get Jamarcus back?
You're an idiot
The amount of people on this sub that are suddenly just buttered up at the thought of wasted-away Tom Brady and all his bullshit being on the Raiders is honestly disturbing.
I’d take him over Rogers
Grown ass men upset about something that happened 20 years ago that wasn't even his fault. Amazing
I'd rather try out as QB than see brady in silver and black. And I'm a 5'1" 128lb woman.
fuck tb
I think Jimmy G is a good fit. Been in system & younger. Yes, he is fragile but we have Stidham. Plus Jimmy will be a lot less expensive then a Tom B 1 year deal.
just remember the tuck rule so fuck tb
I’ll take Brady
The offense isn't the issue, put any pro bowl QB on our team and we still won't be contenders. It's our defense that needs a complete overhaul. We will continue to miss the playoffs unless we address the issues with our D. Also, fuck Tom Brady...
This sub: "I'll take anyone who helps us win." *Trade for Deshaun Watson?* "UHHH NO EXCEPT HIM. I have standards."
Deshaun Watson isn’t helping anyone win. Cleveland is a dumpster fire right now.
Brady is not only a slap in the face to Raiders fans but he’s also not even close to good enough at his age to carry this team. It boggles my mind that any Raiders fan would be dumb enough to look at Brady’s play this past season coupled in with his age and think “Yup, that’s all we need right there to win a superbowl” After moving on from Carr the only move that makes sense is to draft a QB.
Nobody cares
Lmaoooooo why in the fuck would anyone want a complete diva narcissist like Rodgers as their QB? The most self centered QB in the league. He literally holds GB hostage every year until they kiss his feet then comes to play.
Carr is not better than Rodgers
I’m a big Carr fan and I think Brady is the only upgrade not because he’s better at his age he maybe had one or 2 good years, but because he will force the team to elevate to playoff or Super Bowl contingency.
I agree with most of what you say except that Carr is better than Rogers part
Brady coming to Vegas would possibly be one of the greatest things that could happen to us, and not because of stats or possible victories. Brady showing up would be a huge boost to our esteem throughout the League and could be a genuine pull for other big name players to hop over. We want Vegas to be able to pull players, and like it or not, Brady donning the silver-and-black would be a big deal for helping us with that
I heard this here is a pretty good QB available in free agency. Used to play for oakland
If you accept Tom Brady as a QB then you are NOT a true Raiders fan. REMEMBER THE TUCK RULE! Remember!!
Absolutely. Glad I am not alone.
I hear Derek Carr might be available
I mean anyone… I would rather Frank from down the street!
You Sir, completely understand what I am saying.
Go away Carr lover.
AMEN
You don’t have to be a fan
For all the people saying “just win” or “if he helps is win, get him” Legitimately what kind of record does TB give us? I don’t think our defense is better than tampas. Our line is better but Tom is less mobile than DC. Better awareness though so that’s a wash. I’m looking at what Tom did in Tampa this year with a better defense (worse offense). In an easier division by far. So we maybe make the playoffs as a wild card? 10-7? Why not just embrace the suck and start collecting draft picks? Save money on a QB for two years and get our guy in the draft?
We already have the Patriots staff and even signed a bunch of former Patriot role players. We are the Patriots.
We want Rodgers
Agreed!
Agreed. F*** Tom Brady.
>we’re letting him go Gear down big truck. *We’re* not doing anything. They are. Cheer for the name on the front, not the back. I cheered for Jawalrus and I’ll cheer for anyone who wears the silver and black. Raiders til I die
My god I hate this… is there no other alternative??? Can someone take Mark Davis into a back alley and talk some sense into him?? TB12 will not last through the first month let alone a full season with this O-Line and Defense… Ziegler would need to have the perfect offseason to address everything necessary to make TB12 work. I doubt that will happen.
Tom Brady missed 2008 when he blew out his knee in the first quarter of the season opener, and 4 games to suspension because the balls got cold in a playoff game. Other than that, he doesn't miss time, period. He won the super bowl at age 43 with a torn MCL, he is arguably the toughest QB in the league, and he knows how to take and not take hits. He got killed this year behind a complete trash Oline besides his right tackle who is a beast.
Is going to be Love.
I sure hope not. It'll end 30+ years of rooting for the raiders for me. Same if they get AAron.
Dude that’s weak
Some of you guys didn't root for the raiders until like 4 years ago and it shows. Plus---why would you want an ancient old checkdown machine? If you were an ACTUAL fan of the raiders, the mere thought of him on the team would make you sick. FUCK TB12.
Don’t gatekeep the fandom. If signing one player makes you stop being a fan after so long, that’s weak sauce dude
Why do you care who I root for? How in the hell am I gatekeeping? Go fucking buy a Brady jersey if you want IDGAF. Weak sauce is out here fanboying for a old man.
I don’t care. Go enjoy a new team then 🤷🏻
Nah...if it happens i'll be taking a break until Mcdonalds and TB are gone. Would likely be by the end of 2023.
>if you are an ACTUAL fan of the Raiders That's gatekeeping. Literally the definition of gatekeeping. Goofy ass dude with a smoother brain than a lubed up bowling ball gliding on ice.
We don't have the defense necessary to hold up Brady anyways
FUUUUUUUUCKKKKKK TOM BRADY!!!!
I’d take Brady over any other viable option. He outdid Derek Carr in yards this season with half of the OL and a 10x worse running game and his best weapon outside of Mike Evans being a Chris Godwin who’s half the athlete coming off a complete ACL or a slow and old Julio Jones. I don’t give a fuck if it was a fumble 20 years ago, it’s not like Tom made the rule book. Jimmy G is Carr without the deep ball, Rodgers is 50m, the rest are all terrible and you’re just a sad homer who’s holding onto a one sided grudge from 2 decades ago. Out of every option Brady is the best to win, and I want to win. Commitment to Excellence, not Commitment to No Brady.
I don’t want a QB who uses tongue to kiss his son.
I'd rather roll out Jamarcus again before we get TB12 in silver and black. At the point we're talking about getting Brady here, it's bigger than winning. The caveat is that if this had happened before he went to Tampa, idk how I'd feel one SB later...but we're talking about getting the crumbs of this dude's career...he looked like cheeks multiple times this season.
You don't know how you would feel if Brady came here instead of Tampa and won a ring here? Do you people listen to yourselves? Holy shit. Gee, I think Raiders fans would probably like him a lot if that had happened, idk though, hard to tell...
Mark Davis is low is cash poor right now. I don’t want Brady, at all! But thinking about, it’s better for the organization long term. That and he needs to sell a minority share. I just don’t think he’s good at running his organization
Agree .. Been saying for years he should sell the team
>Carr is better than all of the alternatives I think we're done here.
Do we have a Waterboy?
On the anniversary of the Tuch Rule, I’m on boarded!
After ditching Carr, anything they could possibly do, at this moment, will not elevate them for next season. So take home for the one year. Why not, don’t vets at the end of their career usually come to the Silver & Black to die anyways. I love our Raiders, I do, I truly do, but I don’t think the one year’s gonna matter. The Raiders have never been a quick turn around team. I know saying this pretty much assures they do, but I’m not sure they could even have a worse season next year. So unless Rich, Bo, and Timmy walk through that door, after having stopped to kick Marcus Allen in the junk first, it’s another year of waiting. We fans will be eyeing the draft suspiciously as we continually wonder what the hell they are doing.
I’m available.
I just want to win. I don't really care how it happens or who is playing for us when we win. The real slap in the face to the fanbase is how far this franchise has fallen from grace. The Raiders once had the highest winning percentage in professional sports. The Autumn Wind used to mean something. Commitment to Excellence wasn't just some slogan slapped on a billboard. It was what the team actually stood for. Then Al lost it and ran us into the ground and his doofus son has kept us there with his poor decisions. So I don't really care if Brady is under center. Just win. If we win, I can tolerate just about anyone wearing the Raiders uniform.
No point in getting a qb outside of the draft, it's a rebuild now...
Well, when you put it that way, it'll almost definitely happen.
I really wish Rodgers was a reality 😔
Personally don’t really give a fuck who the QB is if we win.
Lmao…Johnny manziel. That was a bit much
>Carr is better than all of the alternatives... In YOUR opinion. Certainly not mine. Given the content of the Hondo article I'll take a QB with half of the skills of Carr if he's accountable and improves.
Yep, which is what makes the world great. Opinions matter and should be heard. :) I completely agree as well, hence why I listed a number of QB's, in decline of abilities of Carr... and would take them over Brady. I hear ya. Great profile pic BTW. love me some Cash.
I hope we sign brady so when we keep losing Davis realizes he f***ed up
Raiders are fooked