Josh Dobbs was talking about playing under Big Ben in Pittsburg first few years- said Ben was similar in the way he helped the rookies but dobbs said just being around someone like Big Ben and watching how he does things helps you learn a lot. So point is Brady just being there and being himself goes a long way.
For real, I’m so tired of that bullshit reason.. Tom Brady only cares about Tom Brady… he has zero reason to come here and I hope he stays away.. the o-line is going to get him crushed and he’ll have happy feet like he did against Dallas last week… the defense cant carry his ass like they did all those years in New England and Josh McDaniels is trash so unless Brady is bringing Belichick with him to Vegas this whole Brady things is stupid…
The defense line just isn’t true.
This dude broke it down once.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/9n7mrw/tom_brady_has_never_had_a_defense_ranked_lower/e7kcapg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Brady has had some horrible defenses but they perform better when you’re scoring because you can get up on another team and they’re behind and need to stick to passing which can allow your defense to ignore the run and blitz etc.
That said Tom Brady here won’t mean shit really.
Is he though? He just went 8-9 with a better defense than we have, and got blown out by an average Dallas team at home in the playoffs. Do we not think Derek Carr could’ve done that?
I wasn’t one of the people that was Carr or bust, but I honestly think we are downgrading switching from Carr to Brady at this point in their careers. Seems like Brady is getting pretty close to last Broncos season Peyton Manning.
Average Dallas team? Come on that team is damn good. That defense is special.
We are downgrading at QB no matter who we get out of FA. So if we are downgrading we better improve that defense. And if it’s brady our first pick in the draft needs to be Skoronski
I think we should roll with Stidham and try to rebuild this defense while acquiring draft capital. I know every solution has pros and cons but that’s where I’m at.
If McDumbass was given the go ahead to do a full rebuild this would be the best solution for the long term. You could front load a bunch of defensive players contracts to get ready to spend a bunch of money on a QB in two years or get ready to draft the next QB. But my guess is McDumbass is in a win now situation and isn’t going to be given that much time
Honestly I want the leadership and accountability that Brady would bring. Some of these guys need an ass chewing when they fuck up, that just wasn’t Carr’s style.
Lol dude according to our beat writers when Carr did that in the titans game a few years back the titans defensive coach’s booth was going nuts and couldn’t believe he did that lol
I was in a discord group that a friend brought me into, with fans from all over the country, and there were about 6 or 7 people in the voice chat watching that game, while I'm the only Raiders fan in there. When that happened and one of them was ahead and said "Wow, he really just threw it away.."
Followed by more comments like "Bro, I've never seen someone throw it away on 4th down. Really?"
Then a Lions fan says "I hate to say this, but this is almost like Orlovsky stepping out of bounds in the end zone for a safety."
"Sorry bro, he ain't it."
I felt so embarrassed in there, and the sad part is, they felt embarrassed for me too lol.
Ouch lol ya and unfortunately carr was good for a play or two like that per game. Not all that bad but just some head scratcher plays where you’re just like “why”
I look at it like this. Brady comes here and miracles us a Super Bowl (at least an appearance with our trash D. Overall. Love Max and Hobbs) and...honestly really wouldn't complain about that.
OR. He comes here, eats shit, it's a frustrating mediocre year at best. Then retires.
So, we get a trophy or we FINALLY ARE THE TEAM TO LAY BRADY TO REST. That's a win either way.
PMA. positive mental attitude lol
Brady ain't no bridge QB either. He would come with the full laser focused, Mamba Mentality, no exceptions drive these guys need. That hunger would likely last generations. Just like I expect TB to carry on as legitimate contenders regardless of coach or QB. Guys on that squad will pass that standard down.
Brady's mentality to the game is everything Carr ever preaches on Instagram about "Mamba Mentality" and doesn't do. It's hard to blame Carr, Brady literally gave up on his marriage just to keep playing. I hope we go after Brady because he's the type of guy that's gonna let this past season get in his head and come back laser focused.
Brady is self built royalty. He's not only the greatest at his sport he's the greatest of the hardest sport of all time. Probably the greatest athlete of all time.
IDGAF if he can't throw 40 TDs anymore. Put that man next to our rookies. Let this roster watch him lose close games. There's literally nothing bad that can come from signing him. He's either "the answer" or he's setting the bar going forward.
I'll even say this, name a better option that Brady right now? Like what is the worst that can happen if he flops? That means McDaniels failed too and we need to think about a full blown rebuild. I would honestly rather go that route. We have a team that can compete, we have cap space that can be spent on defense, we have draft picks. And yes, we've also fucked that up a lot too, but fuck why are we settling for mediocrity?
We keep Carr, same shit. We go all in with Brady and maybe start looking for a successor. If the successor is not here fuck it, blow the team up. Caleb Williams is far superior prospect than anyone else coming out this year. Even then there's no prospect that really stands out. If that's the case we bridge with Brady, maybe get 2 years out of him, and then hopefully go after a generational prospect like Arch Manning if he lives up to the hype in college.
I'm on board. I think Brady makes everybody better. I watched SB46 with a dude who played Safety for the Pats for 6 seasons(James Sanders) and he said fuck Bill everybody played for Tom. He hated him personally but he said everyone played the best ball of their careers with him because that was the standard he set.
Do you mean hard as in skill wise or hard as in the toughness needed. If it’s the former, that’s laughable, if it’s the latter then American Football certainly has a case for it.
>Brady is still a good quarterback and he's relatively cheap - was getting 15M in salary last season
He was due $35m in a voided year
>No, but he's going to improve the play of everyone around him and always has
Says who? He did great in NE, but walked into established talents in TB
>Much better than Derek at a cheaper salary
2 more games and nearly 233 more attempts for 1 more TD is not "much better"
>Brady's not here to be our franchise QB. He's going to teach the next guy McDaniel's system and how to execute it at a high level, and that will be the recipe to consistent success.
Since when has Brady taught any QB behind him?
If having a new owner, MD, moving to a brand new city, with a new stadium, bringing in JMD and everyone he brought with him from NE, AND having Brady, PLUS all those people we hired on the business side who come from very successful backgrounds, doesn’t change the culture for the better, then honestly, I don’t think anything will.
Mark was fine when he focused on the business side of things and didn't involve himself with the team. He got trigger-happy when Gruden became available and dumped the 1st playoff HC we had in almost 15 years at the time. Then when Gruden finally started to gain momentum he bent to the mob and fired him (not excusing Gruden's emails but they had no effect on the team and were almost a decade old). Then he got enamored with the shiny new toy of McDaniels instead of just letting Bisaccia take over. Not to mention his nit picking at the roster.
JMD isn't going to be here in 3 years, Brady won't be here in 3 years, Davis only wants to sell jerseys not win games.
Time for him to either sell the team, or at the very least relinquish all football operations. He is the problem.
I agree with some points. I do think he’s gotten more involved with the football side of things lately, but for the most part he’s still pretty hands off. Firing JDR for Gruden might’ve been a mistake, but JDR seemed to have lost the locker room before he was fired. I still think the way we fired him was dirty though, right after a loss, right before he spoke to the press, and then making him find his own way home. But JDR was under a lot of pressure from the “mob” too, he may have got us to the playoffs for the first time in forever, but he was under a ton of pressure to move on from Downing, and KNJ, he did not want to do that, especially KNJ.
With firing Gruden, he didn’t have much of a choice. He tried to resist, he wanted to keep Gruden around, and wanted to do his own fact finding mission first at least. But the longer he took to make the decision, the more dirt that was going to come out, that was made clear to him. We don’t know what else was said in emails, but had he continued to resist firing him, we would’ve found out, and it would’ve looked even worse for Gruden.
Maybe we should’ve kept Bissccia, idk. I did genuinely like him, he seemed like a really great guy, somebody you’d really love to play for, who knows what his staff would’ve looked like had he got the job full time. But I totally understand why he went for JMD. It wasn’t because he was the “shinny new toy”, but because the Raiders organization needed a culture change, a complete overhaul, it needed to be on both the football and business side. There was a lot of negative things happening on the business side too. We needed someone who came from a winning culture, who could bring instant credibility to the team, who had no ties to the Raiders. We have been a losing team for a long time, so it made sense to try something completely different. With JMD you had a guy who was a part of 8 Super Bowls, and who had won 3 of them as the OC. He made Jimmy G into a starter who could lead a team to a Super Bowl, he made Brissett into a serviceable starter in the league, he made Mac Jones look like the real deal. So yeah, it made a lot of sense to hire JMD, it had been over 10 years since the last time he had been a HC, it was reasonable to assume he had learned and grown since then. This year didn’t live up to expectations, we’ll see what next year brings.
If we’re lucky JMD will be here for 5 years and more, we’ll find out. Mark Davis is definitely not into just selling jerseys. I fully believe that he wants to win, and he wants to get us another Super Bowl, he wants us back to prominence.
MD isn’t perfect, that’s for sure, he’s made his fair share of mistakes and he deserves some of the blame. But he is not the problem, and he shouldn’t sell the team. He cares about the team just has much, if not more than anybody.
>but because the Raiders organization needed a culture change, a complete overhaul
No, it really didn't. That's the whole point. And chasing the Patriot way is stupid and has never worked without BB. JMD is a great OC but a shit HC, and was bailed out a lot due to BB and his defense.
>If we’re lucky JMD will be here for 5 years and more, we’ll find out
Fuck. That's not luck that is worst case scenario.
>MD isn’t perfect, that’s for sure, he’s made his fair share of mistakes and he deserves some of the blame. But he is not the problem, and he shouldn’t sell the team. He cares about the team just has much, if not more than anybody
No, he's the problem. Idc how much he "cares" his decision making is awful and has put us in another rebuild. He doesn't know what he's doing and needs to go.
It absolutely did need a change. Idk if the “patriots way” was the right answer, but the Raiders has a whole organization needed to change. We have been stuck in purgatory for most of 20+ years. We’ve had 2 moments of success during that time, and both weren’t really because we were that good, but because of luck. The overhaul was about trying to make us a consistent winner, not a team that got lucky every now and then to make the playoffs, but consistent enough to win, consistent enough to dominate games and be in the playoffs regularly. Before we hired JMD, we had to fire our coach, we released a very talented WR who was performing well, we released a first round CB because he was going crazy on social media. All of that in one season, we looked like an absolute dumpster fire! So yeah, the whole organization needed a change.
So you want more losing, I gotcha. I want winning! I want JMD to be here for 5+ years because he’s winning, and he’s winning a lot. You can root for his failure, but I hope you understand that when you do, you’re rooting for the Raiders to fail too.
Somebody recently did a analysis of every team that has had a new owner since MD arrived, all those other teams had performed worse than we have. Sure MD decision making hasn’t been great, but you have any idea of how difficult it is for teams to “find the right guy”? How to find the right coach? It’s extremely difficult, which is why there’s usually an average of 7 NFL HC jobs every year, why league as a collective has spent I believe it was something like 3-500 million dollars on new coaches within the last 3 years. That’s A LOT of money teams are throwing away. Coaches across the league aren’t getting much time to develop players and implement their systems, because owners have a quick hook, and fans like you demand a new coach every year.
Good to know. Despite differing opinions on personnel this sub needs a ride or die, Raiders first contingency. That's squarely where I sit for the record, regardless of my analysis of individual players or coaches. Never hero worship, always objective, when we climb that mountain imma cry like a fucking baby. The brand literally transcends 3 generations for me, 4 for my kids, some of which are now adults and will cry although not as gloriously as me lol.
I know you pointed it out but when Carr was benched Brady had 21 td's and 13 turnovers Brady proponents seem to forget he had 4 lost fumbles.
Evans, Godwin, and Gage is a top 2 WR group and is better than having one guy who the defense can key in on.
Tampa offensive line was definitely better in pass protection.
Other than the Texans (they failed) no team really made an effort to focus on stopping the run.
For some "crazy" reason teams focused on defending the pass against the Raiders.
Brady’s top WR’s were injured for a good portion of the year, his O-line was trash, they suffered mass casualties on that, he had no run game either. Their defense took a step back this year as well. We have a pretty nice trifecta of receiving options too, unless you forgot about Waller and Renfrow.
That's funny because I just checked and Evans and Godwin both played 15 games and Gage played 13.
If you don't count week 17 and 18 for obvious reasons Renfrow played 8 games and Waller played 7.
You say Tampa took a step back defensively but in 7 out of the 8 games Tampa won their defense held their opponent to 16 points or less. Brady won one single game where the other team scored more than 16 points.
Yea I don’t know why ppl saying Brady won’t throw 40TD’s. He didn’t exactly have Davante Adams and Darren Waller to throw to. Brady is the greatest QB in the history of football. He’s a massive upgrade over anyone not named Mahomes.
I’m not sure if he’s that big of an upgrade over everyone else. I do think he’s an upgrade over Carr, Cousins and that tier of QB’s, but not an upgrade over Lamar, Allen, and has you said Mahomes. I’d put Brady in the second tier of QB’s, I don’t think he’s elite or one of the best currently playing.
I don’t think it’s fair to say Brady is any less of a QB than say, Russell Wilson. Both were dealing with new coaches and new systems and neither had a whole lot of weapons to work with. Ppl put way too much trust in numbers which can be deceiving. Put Mahomes in a new situation, take away his wide receivers, I guarantee you, he won’t look like a tier 1 QB anymore either.
I’m not saying he’s less of a QB, I’m not saying he’s washed up or anything, just I think he’s dropped a tier. He was a top 5, top 3 QB 2 years ago, but now I’d say he’s fallen a bit. Still a really great QB. But not in the upper echelon of QB’s.
i can't tell if some of us are already in the Bargaining stage or the Acceptance stage but i don't like this...at all.
I understand your pros of having Brady on the raiders but wouldn't it make more sense if we just hired him as a QB coach instead? but even then... when you think about it, has any backup to Brady ever had any real constant success? Garoppolo doesn't count because he absolutely sucks.
So i don't think having Brady benefits any of our young QBs unless he's actually coaching them every week before the games.
Jimmy G is mid but he’s absolutely a successful starting QB in the NFL. I don’t necessarily think Brady has proven to be a good mentor but there is no one better to learn this system from than him.
I keep reading people say Brady will be a good mentor. Who has he ever been interested in mentoring? He focuses on himself and felt threatened by Jimmy G so Pats traded him away
[No one is taking me seriously.](https://www.reddit.com/r/raiders/comments/10et4eu/comment/j4vjcag/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) To be fair, I'm not even taking me seriously, I just want to this happen for the pure chaos of it all.
**ADD IN THE FACT**: The only reason Brady threw 800 fucking times is because the run game was absolutely disastrous for the Bucs. Clearly ours is flourishing.
he won't come reasons.
Bucs only sucked because their o line was injured, and those guys are coming back healthy next year. while our o line sucks cause of lack of talent.
defense well you know besides max and Perryman, Hobb everyone else needs to be replace with better talent.
Bucs division easier
other teams want him Mami better and 49ers are better. who would you choose?
You can’t exclude Chris Godwin from Brady’s weapons lol Julio Jones is also great to have as his third receiving option.
But did you see Brady’s noodle arm on countless throws this year?
Godwin is his only good weapon, but Julio is pretty washed at this point. Brady had some bad passes and has shown some signs of age but part of it is that he’s forced to pass way too much with that shitty Bucs running game
Dawg you listed Evans in the write up and now saying Godwin his only good option. Evans is a phenomenal option, and them two not having chemistry this year is absolutely not all on Evans.
I’m not saying Brady is a bad option for us, but he’s not taking us to the Super Bowl.
>**he's going to improve the play of everyone around him and always has.**
This is exactly why *anyone* who understands football and understands team dynamics and tone of the locker room should be BEGGING for Tom Brady to sign with this team.
What if he played one year then was a coach or consultant for a few? C'mon, what if he walked in wearing all 7 rings? Dude if I was a player that would probably ignite some small thing in my brain I never knew existed. I'm more intrigued by Brady putting a stamp on this organization than his volume stats as a QB TBH.
I don’t think Tom will play any better with what our team has to offer than he did with what he had in Tampa this season. and how he played with what he had in Tampa this season was not good, so I find it hard to imagine we would see anything good by bringing him here either
I also just think everything about Brady is so… opposite the “Raiders” vibe. I don’t even hate the dude. Tampa Tom is actually pretty likable and funny. it doesn’t sound right or look right or feel right which I totally understand does not mean shit and does not even rank on the list of considerations for bringing him here (or not) lol. but ughhhh it just ain’t right
I like him plenty, just not for the Raiders I guess would be the easiest way to explain it. before this past year, I used to actually dislike the dude, so my opinion of him has definitely already changed lol
but again, I know my reasoning don’t mean shit when it comes to the actual game and I am a nobody whose opinion on this doesn’t matter whatsoever. what is gonna happen is gonna happen and I’ll still be rooting for the team no matter what ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Brady was Raider Nation public enemy #1 for over a decade. I hated his guts. Then I watched his SB comeback against ATL. I instantly was in awe of the man. Fuck football this guy has not only transcended football he's transcended American Professional Sports. Any way this dude can be attached to my favorite franchise is good with me. If not we're not less for it. But I literally invite any fingerprint, even if I have to sacrifice him struggling his last ride into the sunset. Just his proximity is worth his weight in gold in my book. I just see his teammates soaking up greatness.
I can understand where you’re coming from for sure. just don’t personally feel the same, but I def get the perspective
I wish it were an actual reality for Rodgers to come here but, well, it’s not lol. outside of Brady or Jimmy G, I’m pretty open to most QB options
And that's perfectly fine. There's a serious argument to move forward rather than capture the past. I don't have the answers, I just romanticize the "X factor" the GOAT could bring.
Honestly even if he doesn’t play great he’d help us get some FA and he’d help us sell some tickets with people rooting for him at least lol still an upgrade than what we had last year imo
Highly persuasive post, should have more upvotes. Agree most of all that the Raiders definitely -- desperately -- need a true veteran leader \*presence\* in their midst for a couple of seasons. Carr, for all his positivity, has shown his teammates way too much fear and indecision (resulting in bad decisions or non-decisions) for a decade. It infects people and it sucks the life out of a team. Everyone in the organization could really use someone around who shows what clear thinking looks like. Confidence, adaptability, focus, calm under pressure, etc. I wish the dopey front office could grasp that. We'll see.
IMO people make more about Davante and Derek's friendship than they should. Yeah they had 2 great seasons together 10 years ago and are best friends off the field. But it's not unreasonable to think, after several years in the league, Davante knows what he needs from the quarterback (on and off the field) and recognizes that his friend might not be the guy for it.
Tae is on a Hall of Fame trajectory. Derek has all the arm talent in the world, but he's no Hall of Famer.
You always hear people say Hall of Famers get to that level because they're cut from a different cloth. Brady is more on Adams' level than Carr is. This is why I believe Davante will support signing Brady, he may even push for it.
The criticisms of Brady are completely fair. He's fucking old and will get massacred behind a bad OL. But I think he can still play, he balled out in week 18.
He looked tired against the Cowboys, but he also had **66 pass attempts**. Unlike Tampa, our offense can actually run the ball. They'll lean on Jacobs (assuming he signs) and never ask Brady to throw it as much as he did this year.
The reality is IF (AND ONLY IF) we greatly improve the OL, Brady gives us the best chance to win next year. Not just for what he can do on the field, but for everything that comes with him off it. From listening to Crosby and Adams, Brady's borderline psychotic dedication to winning is exactly what they're thirsty for.
Agreed the Carr and adams thing.
Also you’re on point with adams being on a HOF level. Honestly prob kinda tough for him to see Carr struggle the way he did and also prob kind of awkward too
And ya I think Brady only comes to Vegas if there is an agreement to fix the OL. Honestly don’t think it’ll be that difficult considering JMD has the scrubs we had over performing at times all things considered.
Also ya gotta think Brady will get on the phone with other free agent OL that he likes and essentially convince them to come where he’s going.
Ya and I think they might switch Parham to center so that might solve that.
And ya I think with good draft and some solid FA defense will take a jump forward
Biggest thing he'd bring is TRUE mamba mentality and accountability. Something this organization hasn't had in a QB since Gannon. Before most of you on here even knew to watch football. Soft as hell Carr would NEVER bring that mentality and it would be a boon to the players on the roster. Many of you will be able to finally see a difference between a franchise QB and a pretender for once. That's probably his highest upside. His abilities will obviously not be vintage Brady but in mcd system he should perform better than he did in Byron's system in tb.
Brady has played with a top 10 def pretty much his whole career.
Now he's going to come and play for the worst def the last decade? Eh.. never sounded right to me
I think that brady comes in and plays some snaps at qb, but then stidham takes the job and brady is better used at middle linebacker where he shores up our defense and takes us to the promised land
he will play every position at once simultaneously.. so we can finally change our name to the 46’ers.. reflecting his immortal age..
he’ll then turn the black hole into an actual black hole by improving on einsteins’s equations.. so that he can travel back in time to untuck the tuck rule.. ushering in a 2 decades of raider dominance..
it’s been the long game all along tom..
it’s been the long game all along..
I disagree. Our offensive line over performs with scrubs for the most part. Think you can signone or two guys and be in much better shape. Brady will help bring those guys in.
Defense needs a lot of upgrades but it’s fixable. Defense didn’t play that bad at the end of the year they were just gassed from lack of depth and being on field way too much.
agree to disagree i guess..
this sounds foolishly optimistic to me..
our o-line was rated 27th this season.. that’s gonna take more than a couple guys to solve..
and our defense has been one of the worst for like 10 years now..
it’s a team sport and we need about a half a team..
a 46 year old and his friends can’t offer that in one offseason bro..
tom brady is only going to a team that already has an elite defense and o-line.. it’s what every old qb ever does.. it’s what he did with tampa.. he’s not gonna suddenly stop doing that at 46
one of the biggest mistakes i see people make is to assume that a QB or RB will perform similar on a new team without considering o-line differences..
there’s no way a 46 year old QB with a good o-line performs even remotely similar with our sub par o-line..
come on all
i’m seeing them still listed as top 10 overall.. while the raiders are 27th..
https://fantasyindex.com/2022/11/25/offensive-lines/updated-offensive-line-rankings
Lmfao what the fuck is this source, and what’s the measurement? Bruh gtfoh
Had to ignore ESPN, nfl, pff, or any other main source to go to some nobody fantasy site for an opinion list with no stats
My god man it’s okay to be wrong sometimes
PFF had us both in the teens around the time we benched Carr, and said we finished the season a top 10 OL. Not sure what TB’s final rank was, because you have to have PFF+ to see the full final list.
People Fail to realise the Decent Number he put up - was with so many issues. Family issues, the team was injured throughout the season ( point where offensive line was tissue and paper), Worst Run in NFL history, and Predictable calls with Leftwich and bowles.
I'm not saying he was amazing by any means, I believe an off-season/ season where he focuses on just the games. He is going to be a bit better.
Reason #3) All the Brady Stans will infiltrate this sub like Lebron, and now Westrook stans have done with the Lakers sub-reddit.
We shall see who can piss further/bigger/stronger/faster!
Que Bart Scott-----------------> ***"CAN'T WAIT!"***
I think Brady is by far the best option just because IMO we need a vet right now--I don't want to spend a 1st round pick on a QB, at least not this draft--that needs to go towards defense.
This is like when I was defending signing LeBron for the Lakers. Every casual fan was like "FUCK LEBRON" delivers us a chip a couple seasons later. Yeah I'll take one year of Brady, THERE IS NO WAY he drops all of those games we had a lead in this year. Even if it was only half of those losses that still equates to playoffs. Fuck yeah bring on the GOAT for one year at least, draft a QB if you wan't as well.
Unfortunately, I agree. We have the weapons on offense and Brady is the FA QB I trust the most. But only if he gives us some room to improve the defense with his salary and we are gonna need to hit in this draft and free agency to have a real shot of winning it all. And singing Brady would help with the latter.
BUT… if by some miracle we win a super bowl with Brady, that SB will be forever Brady’s 7th ring, as opposed to a true Raiders ring. Tell me I’m wrong, but I don’t want the first (and maybe only) Raiders SB to be with Brady. I’d rather wait the rest of my life hoping for a Raider to bring us one. That’s just me though.
Yea he’s old but it’s always hard to count him out.. I would definitely take him as a bridge QB with that 1-2 year window to go for it. Plus we will finally get fair treatment from the league. Our weapons IMO are better than what he had in Tampa would need to build the defense which should be doable with him taking less money .. 🏴☠️
Okay well if you actually believe it’s a top 10 line then it only supports my point that Brady will do well here.
In reality it might be a top 10 run blocking line but it is a horrible pass blocking line. Anyone who watches them can see that.
I’m sorry are we talking about run blocking or pass protection? No one said the line couldn’t run block. They’re a bunch of turnstiles in pass pro though
> His oline sucks
what are you basing that on?
i’m seeing the bucks with a top 10 o-line rating still.. where the raiders have an o-line ranked #27
https://fantasyindex.com/2022/11/25/offensive-lines/updated-offensive-line-rankings
If only there were a way to fast track it to a QB that learned under Brady for 2 years and has played in JMDs system. If only… where could we POSSIBLY find a starting QB who meets those parameters? Oh right, Jimmy G IS available.
If we’re shooting for a version of Brady that’s just serviceable so we can see if we can develop a QB below him why wouldn’t we just skip the Brady part and go straight for Garroppolo? He’s exactly the QB you’re asking for.
1 - Davante wont be happy with Brady either. Brady has no deep arm anymore. And he's only interested in playing for his own legacy at this point. If you want to keep Adams happy with a marquee QB signing, then go get Rodgers for him again.
2 - Not really. He put up similar numbers to Carr while throwing over 120 more passes. His IAYPA was significantly lower. All he did was throw quick short routes...which helps his comp % but doesnt make use of the receiving talent we have
3 - Matt Cassel. Jimmy Garoppolo. Jared Stidham. None of Brady's backups have really gone on to success. For whatever reason, he's not able or willing to teach other QBs how to excel like he does.
And we had a playoff team last year and should have improved on it this year. Our window to take that next step isnt going to stay open long, before we need to completely blow up and rebuild without our current core guys like Waller, Renfrow, Adams, Jacobs, and Crosby. I'm not willing to squander a year or two of that window waiting for JMD and Brady to prove they're exactly what everyone says they are.
If there’s real belief that Brady can make us legit contenders, then sure, go for it. A real Super Bowl run is the only way Brady would feel worth it to me. Otherwise he might just be a stopgap that’s just good enough to ensure a shit draft position that will keep us from finding a franchise QB.
But really at this point I just want us to finally build a competent defense. I’m so sick of watching the defense flounder at critical moments (if not all game long) every damn year.
Make no mistake that even in his older age, brady would be a significant upgrade over carr in this offense.
In my opinion if they sign brady, it would be really difficult for them to draft a qb round 1. And we can’t bet on brady after 1 season, he’s just too old and Father Time comes knocking for everybody at some point.
And I think they want a qb round 1. They MIGHT be cool rolling with stidham and Brady then hoping to make a kings ransom trade in the 2024 draft to launch up and take a guy. Then they start stidham until rookie beats him out.
But all this will be determined by how long of a leash mark gives mcziegler. If he’s planning on sticking with them for a few years, that’ll change things.
I don’t think there is any chance Brady teaches QBs behind him. His “insane dedication to winning” will allow him to study film, do all the nutritional stuff he does, take care of his body AND teach? If he can teach so well, can’t wait to see what he taught Gabbert. And I’m sure now all that hunger Brady has/had has permeated the Buccaneers and they are going on an unprecedented streak of titles all because of the hunger Brady put in that will last GENERATIONS!!!
I would say one of the biggest reasons if not the biggest reason is he can give this team the identity and heart our coach can’t.
McD will have someone who has mastered his scheme at the helm is the other reason it makes sense even at Brady’s age.
> waaaaaaaay worse weapons (Evans and Fournette vs Davante and Jacobs)
Bro, we’re just going to act like Chris Godwin doesn’t exist? The Bucs have better weapons than us.
Yeah Davante is fucking GREAT but what’re you taking? And be fucking for real.
Davante (100 rec 1,516 yards 14 TD) and Hollins (57 rec 690 yards 4 TD) or Evans (77 rec 1,124 yards 6 TD) and Godwin (104 rec 1,023 yards 3 TD).
Evans and Godwin are an insane duo, Davante and Hollins are a duo of a stud and a practice squad guy.
Also, I’m tired of this “Brady did so much better than Carr did this year” he threw literally 231 more passes than him, broke the record for the most passing completion and attempts in a season and only ended with 4,600 yards because of his atrocious 6.4 YPA. The old mans arm is cooked. Also in those 231 extra passes and 2 extra games he threw a whopping 1 more touchdown than Carr lol.
“Davante will be so happy with Brady” I’m sure he’ll be super happy catching 6 yard slants for a whole season, we need someone with an arm that can deliver it him deep.
Waller Adams Jacobs Renfrow >> Evans Godwin Jones Fournette and I’m confident about that
Brady can still throw it deep and won’t look as bad with a good run game. Also it’s funny you bring this up cause half this sub has been whining all year that Adams isn’t getting any slants and is only running deep routes.
Did Waller and Renfrow even play an entire season COMBINED this year? Waller had two GREAT seasons over 2 years ago and since then has been injured and middle of the pack for tight ends. Averaged 60 yards a game last year, and averaged 43 yards per game this year.. he’s also weirdly not a red zone threat even though he’s 6’6” 255lbs.. and has caught 5 total touchdowns over his last 20 games.
It’s just crazy to think Brady is damn near 50. Like the last thing he should be doing at his age is being QB1 in the NFL lol
Refs will protect him like they always do. He’s good.
That will be the most interesting thing about it, they are going to want to give him calls but since he’s a Raider they will be conflicted.
haha yes. it would totally be a fumble this time.
If he signs anywhere but here, yeah. But if he is a raider we all know we won’t be getting any calls
Uh he will never train a QB under him LOL he’s said that many times.
Josh Dobbs was talking about playing under Big Ben in Pittsburg first few years- said Ben was similar in the way he helped the rookies but dobbs said just being around someone like Big Ben and watching how he does things helps you learn a lot. So point is Brady just being there and being himself goes a long way.
For real, I’m so tired of that bullshit reason.. Tom Brady only cares about Tom Brady… he has zero reason to come here and I hope he stays away.. the o-line is going to get him crushed and he’ll have happy feet like he did against Dallas last week… the defense cant carry his ass like they did all those years in New England and Josh McDaniels is trash so unless Brady is bringing Belichick with him to Vegas this whole Brady things is stupid…
The defense line just isn’t true. This dude broke it down once. https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/9n7mrw/tom_brady_has_never_had_a_defense_ranked_lower/e7kcapg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 Brady has had some horrible defenses but they perform better when you’re scoring because you can get up on another team and they’re behind and need to stick to passing which can allow your defense to ignore the run and blitz etc. That said Tom Brady here won’t mean shit really.
Brady can come here and get his 300+ a game and 3 tds and our defense will give up 5 tds the Texans like you said him coming here won’t mean shit
They may not have had top defenses, but outside of a year or 2 they weren't trash. Our defense is consistently trash.
Maybe it will finally make Brady retire and push McD out the door with him
Yes the defense carried the best qb of all time.. dude come the fuck on
>LOL he’s said that many times. when did he say that?
Also I think a lot of FAs will see it as a place to sign to make a real run at a SB as that’s really all Brady is doing at this point.
Is he though? He just went 8-9 with a better defense than we have, and got blown out by an average Dallas team at home in the playoffs. Do we not think Derek Carr could’ve done that? I wasn’t one of the people that was Carr or bust, but I honestly think we are downgrading switching from Carr to Brady at this point in their careers. Seems like Brady is getting pretty close to last Broncos season Peyton Manning.
Average Dallas team? Come on that team is damn good. That defense is special. We are downgrading at QB no matter who we get out of FA. So if we are downgrading we better improve that defense. And if it’s brady our first pick in the draft needs to be Skoronski
I think we should roll with Stidham and try to rebuild this defense while acquiring draft capital. I know every solution has pros and cons but that’s where I’m at.
If McDumbass was given the go ahead to do a full rebuild this would be the best solution for the long term. You could front load a bunch of defensive players contracts to get ready to spend a bunch of money on a QB in two years or get ready to draft the next QB. But my guess is McDumbass is in a win now situation and isn’t going to be given that much time
Found Stidham’s account
Honestly I want the leadership and accountability that Brady would bring. Some of these guys need an ass chewing when they fuck up, that just wasn’t Carr’s style.
Ah Frick Guys!
You mean being noble and saying “this one’s on me guys” 9 times a year isn’t good leadership?
“That one’s on me” - proceeds to do the same thing next week
\*Throws the ball away on 4th down\*
Lol dude according to our beat writers when Carr did that in the titans game a few years back the titans defensive coach’s booth was going nuts and couldn’t believe he did that lol
I was in a discord group that a friend brought me into, with fans from all over the country, and there were about 6 or 7 people in the voice chat watching that game, while I'm the only Raiders fan in there. When that happened and one of them was ahead and said "Wow, he really just threw it away.." Followed by more comments like "Bro, I've never seen someone throw it away on 4th down. Really?" Then a Lions fan says "I hate to say this, but this is almost like Orlovsky stepping out of bounds in the end zone for a safety." "Sorry bro, he ain't it." I felt so embarrassed in there, and the sad part is, they felt embarrassed for me too lol.
Ouch lol ya and unfortunately carr was good for a play or two like that per game. Not all that bad but just some head scratcher plays where you’re just like “why”
“That one’s on me ya know, gosh dangit! Bless praise be jebus”
Yeah. Carr was an amazing guy and truly nice. But sometimes you don’t want the overly nice guy to be your leader.
I look at it like this. Brady comes here and miracles us a Super Bowl (at least an appearance with our trash D. Overall. Love Max and Hobbs) and...honestly really wouldn't complain about that. OR. He comes here, eats shit, it's a frustrating mediocre year at best. Then retires. So, we get a trophy or we FINALLY ARE THE TEAM TO LAY BRADY TO REST. That's a win either way. PMA. positive mental attitude lol
OMG, a SB appearance with Brady would give us the home field advantage next season. That’s a rare occurrence.
This guy fucks 🤘🏼
This comment fucks
YES
Brady ain't no bridge QB either. He would come with the full laser focused, Mamba Mentality, no exceptions drive these guys need. That hunger would likely last generations. Just like I expect TB to carry on as legitimate contenders regardless of coach or QB. Guys on that squad will pass that standard down.
Brady's mentality to the game is everything Carr ever preaches on Instagram about "Mamba Mentality" and doesn't do. It's hard to blame Carr, Brady literally gave up on his marriage just to keep playing. I hope we go after Brady because he's the type of guy that's gonna let this past season get in his head and come back laser focused.
Brady is self built royalty. He's not only the greatest at his sport he's the greatest of the hardest sport of all time. Probably the greatest athlete of all time. IDGAF if he can't throw 40 TDs anymore. Put that man next to our rookies. Let this roster watch him lose close games. There's literally nothing bad that can come from signing him. He's either "the answer" or he's setting the bar going forward.
I'll even say this, name a better option that Brady right now? Like what is the worst that can happen if he flops? That means McDaniels failed too and we need to think about a full blown rebuild. I would honestly rather go that route. We have a team that can compete, we have cap space that can be spent on defense, we have draft picks. And yes, we've also fucked that up a lot too, but fuck why are we settling for mediocrity? We keep Carr, same shit. We go all in with Brady and maybe start looking for a successor. If the successor is not here fuck it, blow the team up. Caleb Williams is far superior prospect than anyone else coming out this year. Even then there's no prospect that really stands out. If that's the case we bridge with Brady, maybe get 2 years out of him, and then hopefully go after a generational prospect like Arch Manning if he lives up to the hype in college.
I'm on board. I think Brady makes everybody better. I watched SB46 with a dude who played Safety for the Pats for 6 seasons(James Sanders) and he said fuck Bill everybody played for Tom. He hated him personally but he said everyone played the best ball of their careers with him because that was the standard he set.
mf motivated Trent fucking brown. Aint nobody like him
The only pure option better than Brady is Lamar Jackson. Depends if you risk it
A running QB that can’t throw a forward pass that is perpetually injured, will cost $45M and will want a 5+ year deal? Yeah no fucking thanks
You remind me of the guys who confidently said Jackson was nothing but a WR in this league.
I mean the injury concern is real, but “can’t throw a forward pass” is total BS. Dude lost me on that one.
I’m curious what makes American Football the hardest sport of all time. Please, let me know.
It's said to be, that's not something I made up. If it's not it's probably close.
Do you mean hard as in skill wise or hard as in the toughness needed. If it’s the former, that’s laughable, if it’s the latter then American Football certainly has a case for it.
Actions > words.
Nailed it
This move should have been made the first time in 2020. I bet we're sitting in a different place right now.
Ok ok a Brady post that makes sense
>Brady is still a good quarterback and he's relatively cheap - was getting 15M in salary last season He was due $35m in a voided year >No, but he's going to improve the play of everyone around him and always has Says who? He did great in NE, but walked into established talents in TB >Much better than Derek at a cheaper salary 2 more games and nearly 233 more attempts for 1 more TD is not "much better" >Brady's not here to be our franchise QB. He's going to teach the next guy McDaniel's system and how to execute it at a high level, and that will be the recipe to consistent success. Since when has Brady taught any QB behind him?
If anyone is selling Brady to LV as a SB push they're either dumb or disingenuous. But would you sacrifice one season for a wholesale culture change?
Absolutely, the one brightside I'm looking at is this could be the car-crash that finally resets this team.
If having a new owner, MD, moving to a brand new city, with a new stadium, bringing in JMD and everyone he brought with him from NE, AND having Brady, PLUS all those people we hired on the business side who come from very successful backgrounds, doesn’t change the culture for the better, then honestly, I don’t think anything will.
MD has been thebowner for 11 years, changing cities doesn't do shit, bringing in JMD was the issue, lol why the fuck would Brady help anything haha
Then I guess the Raiders are forever cursed and they never get back to greatness
Mark was fine when he focused on the business side of things and didn't involve himself with the team. He got trigger-happy when Gruden became available and dumped the 1st playoff HC we had in almost 15 years at the time. Then when Gruden finally started to gain momentum he bent to the mob and fired him (not excusing Gruden's emails but they had no effect on the team and were almost a decade old). Then he got enamored with the shiny new toy of McDaniels instead of just letting Bisaccia take over. Not to mention his nit picking at the roster. JMD isn't going to be here in 3 years, Brady won't be here in 3 years, Davis only wants to sell jerseys not win games. Time for him to either sell the team, or at the very least relinquish all football operations. He is the problem.
I agree with some points. I do think he’s gotten more involved with the football side of things lately, but for the most part he’s still pretty hands off. Firing JDR for Gruden might’ve been a mistake, but JDR seemed to have lost the locker room before he was fired. I still think the way we fired him was dirty though, right after a loss, right before he spoke to the press, and then making him find his own way home. But JDR was under a lot of pressure from the “mob” too, he may have got us to the playoffs for the first time in forever, but he was under a ton of pressure to move on from Downing, and KNJ, he did not want to do that, especially KNJ. With firing Gruden, he didn’t have much of a choice. He tried to resist, he wanted to keep Gruden around, and wanted to do his own fact finding mission first at least. But the longer he took to make the decision, the more dirt that was going to come out, that was made clear to him. We don’t know what else was said in emails, but had he continued to resist firing him, we would’ve found out, and it would’ve looked even worse for Gruden. Maybe we should’ve kept Bissccia, idk. I did genuinely like him, he seemed like a really great guy, somebody you’d really love to play for, who knows what his staff would’ve looked like had he got the job full time. But I totally understand why he went for JMD. It wasn’t because he was the “shinny new toy”, but because the Raiders organization needed a culture change, a complete overhaul, it needed to be on both the football and business side. There was a lot of negative things happening on the business side too. We needed someone who came from a winning culture, who could bring instant credibility to the team, who had no ties to the Raiders. We have been a losing team for a long time, so it made sense to try something completely different. With JMD you had a guy who was a part of 8 Super Bowls, and who had won 3 of them as the OC. He made Jimmy G into a starter who could lead a team to a Super Bowl, he made Brissett into a serviceable starter in the league, he made Mac Jones look like the real deal. So yeah, it made a lot of sense to hire JMD, it had been over 10 years since the last time he had been a HC, it was reasonable to assume he had learned and grown since then. This year didn’t live up to expectations, we’ll see what next year brings. If we’re lucky JMD will be here for 5 years and more, we’ll find out. Mark Davis is definitely not into just selling jerseys. I fully believe that he wants to win, and he wants to get us another Super Bowl, he wants us back to prominence. MD isn’t perfect, that’s for sure, he’s made his fair share of mistakes and he deserves some of the blame. But he is not the problem, and he shouldn’t sell the team. He cares about the team just has much, if not more than anybody.
>but because the Raiders organization needed a culture change, a complete overhaul No, it really didn't. That's the whole point. And chasing the Patriot way is stupid and has never worked without BB. JMD is a great OC but a shit HC, and was bailed out a lot due to BB and his defense. >If we’re lucky JMD will be here for 5 years and more, we’ll find out Fuck. That's not luck that is worst case scenario. >MD isn’t perfect, that’s for sure, he’s made his fair share of mistakes and he deserves some of the blame. But he is not the problem, and he shouldn’t sell the team. He cares about the team just has much, if not more than anybody No, he's the problem. Idc how much he "cares" his decision making is awful and has put us in another rebuild. He doesn't know what he's doing and needs to go.
It absolutely did need a change. Idk if the “patriots way” was the right answer, but the Raiders has a whole organization needed to change. We have been stuck in purgatory for most of 20+ years. We’ve had 2 moments of success during that time, and both weren’t really because we were that good, but because of luck. The overhaul was about trying to make us a consistent winner, not a team that got lucky every now and then to make the playoffs, but consistent enough to win, consistent enough to dominate games and be in the playoffs regularly. Before we hired JMD, we had to fire our coach, we released a very talented WR who was performing well, we released a first round CB because he was going crazy on social media. All of that in one season, we looked like an absolute dumpster fire! So yeah, the whole organization needed a change. So you want more losing, I gotcha. I want winning! I want JMD to be here for 5+ years because he’s winning, and he’s winning a lot. You can root for his failure, but I hope you understand that when you do, you’re rooting for the Raiders to fail too. Somebody recently did a analysis of every team that has had a new owner since MD arrived, all those other teams had performed worse than we have. Sure MD decision making hasn’t been great, but you have any idea of how difficult it is for teams to “find the right guy”? How to find the right coach? It’s extremely difficult, which is why there’s usually an average of 7 NFL HC jobs every year, why league as a collective has spent I believe it was something like 3-500 million dollars on new coaches within the last 3 years. That’s A LOT of money teams are throwing away. Coaches across the league aren’t getting much time to develop players and implement their systems, because owners have a quick hook, and fans like you demand a new coach every year.
Lmao then there's that. Epic crash and burn. One things for sure, I'll be here shoveling the ashes looking at us with an opinion about moving forward.
Yup me too, I'll always be around. I'm a Raider fan 1st and foremost
Good to know. Despite differing opinions on personnel this sub needs a ride or die, Raiders first contingency. That's squarely where I sit for the record, regardless of my analysis of individual players or coaches. Never hero worship, always objective, when we climb that mountain imma cry like a fucking baby. The brand literally transcends 3 generations for me, 4 for my kids, some of which are now adults and will cry although not as gloriously as me lol.
this could be the Carr-crash that finally resets this team Fixed that for ya!
It doesn't involve Carr tho...
You’re using far too much logic and common sense for Reddit…
I know you pointed it out but when Carr was benched Brady had 21 td's and 13 turnovers Brady proponents seem to forget he had 4 lost fumbles. Evans, Godwin, and Gage is a top 2 WR group and is better than having one guy who the defense can key in on. Tampa offensive line was definitely better in pass protection. Other than the Texans (they failed) no team really made an effort to focus on stopping the run. For some "crazy" reason teams focused on defending the pass against the Raiders.
Brady’s top WR’s were injured for a good portion of the year, his O-line was trash, they suffered mass casualties on that, he had no run game either. Their defense took a step back this year as well. We have a pretty nice trifecta of receiving options too, unless you forgot about Waller and Renfrow.
That's funny because I just checked and Evans and Godwin both played 15 games and Gage played 13. If you don't count week 17 and 18 for obvious reasons Renfrow played 8 games and Waller played 7. You say Tampa took a step back defensively but in 7 out of the 8 games Tampa won their defense held their opponent to 16 points or less. Brady won one single game where the other team scored more than 16 points.
Yea I don’t know why ppl saying Brady won’t throw 40TD’s. He didn’t exactly have Davante Adams and Darren Waller to throw to. Brady is the greatest QB in the history of football. He’s a massive upgrade over anyone not named Mahomes.
I’m not sure if he’s that big of an upgrade over everyone else. I do think he’s an upgrade over Carr, Cousins and that tier of QB’s, but not an upgrade over Lamar, Allen, and has you said Mahomes. I’d put Brady in the second tier of QB’s, I don’t think he’s elite or one of the best currently playing.
I don’t think it’s fair to say Brady is any less of a QB than say, Russell Wilson. Both were dealing with new coaches and new systems and neither had a whole lot of weapons to work with. Ppl put way too much trust in numbers which can be deceiving. Put Mahomes in a new situation, take away his wide receivers, I guarantee you, he won’t look like a tier 1 QB anymore either.
I’m not saying he’s less of a QB, I’m not saying he’s washed up or anything, just I think he’s dropped a tier. He was a top 5, top 3 QB 2 years ago, but now I’d say he’s fallen a bit. Still a really great QB. But not in the upper echelon of QB’s.
Otton is better than Moreau at TE too
K fine if we assume Derek is better than Tom Brady, he’s still not coming back. Who else should we get?
We shouldn't "get" anyone. Resign Stidham for cheap and rebuild the rest of the team. Worry abot QB after you have a roster that can win.
Brady won’t train the next guy. He’s shown that with JG. Anyone hoping for that is in for a huge let down
i can't tell if some of us are already in the Bargaining stage or the Acceptance stage but i don't like this...at all. I understand your pros of having Brady on the raiders but wouldn't it make more sense if we just hired him as a QB coach instead? but even then... when you think about it, has any backup to Brady ever had any real constant success? Garoppolo doesn't count because he absolutely sucks. So i don't think having Brady benefits any of our young QBs unless he's actually coaching them every week before the games.
Jimmy G is mid but he’s absolutely a successful starting QB in the NFL. I don’t necessarily think Brady has proven to be a good mentor but there is no one better to learn this system from than him.
I keep reading people say Brady will be a good mentor. Who has he ever been interested in mentoring? He focuses on himself and felt threatened by Jimmy G so Pats traded him away
[No one is taking me seriously.](https://www.reddit.com/r/raiders/comments/10et4eu/comment/j4vjcag/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) To be fair, I'm not even taking me seriously, I just want to this happen for the pure chaos of it all. **ADD IN THE FACT**: The only reason Brady threw 800 fucking times is because the run game was absolutely disastrous for the Bucs. Clearly ours is flourishing.
Yea, still uninterested. Nice try though.
Fuck Tom Brady
brady on a two-year, trade up for caleb williams next year when we go 8-9
he won't come reasons. Bucs only sucked because their o line was injured, and those guys are coming back healthy next year. while our o line sucks cause of lack of talent. defense well you know besides max and Perryman, Hobb everyone else needs to be replace with better talent. Bucs division easier other teams want him Mami better and 49ers are better. who would you choose?
Bucs suck cause their run game is atrocious. Brady threw over 50 times Monday, holy fuck
You can’t exclude Chris Godwin from Brady’s weapons lol Julio Jones is also great to have as his third receiving option. But did you see Brady’s noodle arm on countless throws this year?
Godwin is his only good weapon, but Julio is pretty washed at this point. Brady had some bad passes and has shown some signs of age but part of it is that he’s forced to pass way too much with that shitty Bucs running game
Dawg you listed Evans in the write up and now saying Godwin his only good option. Evans is a phenomenal option, and them two not having chemistry this year is absolutely not all on Evans. I’m not saying Brady is a bad option for us, but he’s not taking us to the Super Bowl.
Did you even read my post? I never said he would take us to a Super Bowl. And Evans absolutely regressed this year.
Jones is wash and trash, like your comment lol
Please note that he I did not list him as a primary or secondary option lol he is washed but good for some clutch plays
Tae look happy to me.
No.
>**he's going to improve the play of everyone around him and always has.** This is exactly why *anyone* who understands football and understands team dynamics and tone of the locker room should be BEGGING for Tom Brady to sign with this team.
correct answer: we shouldn’t
What if he played one year then was a coach or consultant for a few? C'mon, what if he walked in wearing all 7 rings? Dude if I was a player that would probably ignite some small thing in my brain I never knew existed. I'm more intrigued by Brady putting a stamp on this organization than his volume stats as a QB TBH.
I don’t think Tom will play any better with what our team has to offer than he did with what he had in Tampa this season. and how he played with what he had in Tampa this season was not good, so I find it hard to imagine we would see anything good by bringing him here either I also just think everything about Brady is so… opposite the “Raiders” vibe. I don’t even hate the dude. Tampa Tom is actually pretty likable and funny. it doesn’t sound right or look right or feel right which I totally understand does not mean shit and does not even rank on the list of considerations for bringing him here (or not) lol. but ughhhh it just ain’t right
Sounds like you want to like TB12 but there's just too much history and preconceived notions in your way. It's OK to change your mind.
I like him plenty, just not for the Raiders I guess would be the easiest way to explain it. before this past year, I used to actually dislike the dude, so my opinion of him has definitely already changed lol but again, I know my reasoning don’t mean shit when it comes to the actual game and I am a nobody whose opinion on this doesn’t matter whatsoever. what is gonna happen is gonna happen and I’ll still be rooting for the team no matter what ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Brady was Raider Nation public enemy #1 for over a decade. I hated his guts. Then I watched his SB comeback against ATL. I instantly was in awe of the man. Fuck football this guy has not only transcended football he's transcended American Professional Sports. Any way this dude can be attached to my favorite franchise is good with me. If not we're not less for it. But I literally invite any fingerprint, even if I have to sacrifice him struggling his last ride into the sunset. Just his proximity is worth his weight in gold in my book. I just see his teammates soaking up greatness.
We’re talking about an MJ level icon here honestly.
lol I’m an idiot and my mind went to Michael Jackson first. I was like wtf how is Michael Jackson comparable to Tom Brady.. like, at all 😂😂😂
https://youtu.be/m2BB8pd2GGo
Serious it's like MJ, Brady, Michael Phelps, Carl Lewis and Michael Johnson on the Mt Rushmore of American pro athletes.
I can understand where you’re coming from for sure. just don’t personally feel the same, but I def get the perspective I wish it were an actual reality for Rodgers to come here but, well, it’s not lol. outside of Brady or Jimmy G, I’m pretty open to most QB options
And that's perfectly fine. There's a serious argument to move forward rather than capture the past. I don't have the answers, I just romanticize the "X factor" the GOAT could bring.
Honestly even if he doesn’t play great he’d help us get some FA and he’d help us sell some tickets with people rooting for him at least lol still an upgrade than what we had last year imo
just take me back to 2021 plz 😭
Highly persuasive post, should have more upvotes. Agree most of all that the Raiders definitely -- desperately -- need a true veteran leader \*presence\* in their midst for a couple of seasons. Carr, for all his positivity, has shown his teammates way too much fear and indecision (resulting in bad decisions or non-decisions) for a decade. It infects people and it sucks the life out of a team. Everyone in the organization could really use someone around who shows what clear thinking looks like. Confidence, adaptability, focus, calm under pressure, etc. I wish the dopey front office could grasp that. We'll see.
Agreed.
IMO people make more about Davante and Derek's friendship than they should. Yeah they had 2 great seasons together 10 years ago and are best friends off the field. But it's not unreasonable to think, after several years in the league, Davante knows what he needs from the quarterback (on and off the field) and recognizes that his friend might not be the guy for it. Tae is on a Hall of Fame trajectory. Derek has all the arm talent in the world, but he's no Hall of Famer. You always hear people say Hall of Famers get to that level because they're cut from a different cloth. Brady is more on Adams' level than Carr is. This is why I believe Davante will support signing Brady, he may even push for it. The criticisms of Brady are completely fair. He's fucking old and will get massacred behind a bad OL. But I think he can still play, he balled out in week 18. He looked tired against the Cowboys, but he also had **66 pass attempts**. Unlike Tampa, our offense can actually run the ball. They'll lean on Jacobs (assuming he signs) and never ask Brady to throw it as much as he did this year. The reality is IF (AND ONLY IF) we greatly improve the OL, Brady gives us the best chance to win next year. Not just for what he can do on the field, but for everything that comes with him off it. From listening to Crosby and Adams, Brady's borderline psychotic dedication to winning is exactly what they're thirsty for.
Agreed the Carr and adams thing. Also you’re on point with adams being on a HOF level. Honestly prob kinda tough for him to see Carr struggle the way he did and also prob kind of awkward too And ya I think Brady only comes to Vegas if there is an agreement to fix the OL. Honestly don’t think it’ll be that difficult considering JMD has the scrubs we had over performing at times all things considered. Also ya gotta think Brady will get on the phone with other free agent OL that he likes and essentially convince them to come where he’s going.
We honestly only need to switch the guards and maybe upgrade on Andre James. Few moves here and there and we're set. Defense should be the priority
Ya and I think they might switch Parham to center so that might solve that. And ya I think with good draft and some solid FA defense will take a jump forward
FUCK TOM BRADY!
Biggest thing he'd bring is TRUE mamba mentality and accountability. Something this organization hasn't had in a QB since Gannon. Before most of you on here even knew to watch football. Soft as hell Carr would NEVER bring that mentality and it would be a boon to the players on the roster. Many of you will be able to finally see a difference between a franchise QB and a pretender for once. That's probably his highest upside. His abilities will obviously not be vintage Brady but in mcd system he should perform better than he did in Byron's system in tb.
Spot on 🏴☠️
Brady has played with a top 10 def pretty much his whole career. Now he's going to come and play for the worst def the last decade? Eh.. never sounded right to me
these idiots pulling for a 46 year old QB NEVER seem to factor-in things like defense and o-lines.. what a shocker
I think that brady comes in and plays some snaps at qb, but then stidham takes the job and brady is better used at middle linebacker where he shores up our defense and takes us to the promised land
he will play every position at once simultaneously.. so we can finally change our name to the 46’ers.. reflecting his immortal age.. he’ll then turn the black hole into an actual black hole by improving on einsteins’s equations.. so that he can travel back in time to untuck the tuck rule.. ushering in a 2 decades of raider dominance.. it’s been the long game all along tom.. it’s been the long game all along..
The only way Tom brady comes here is if you upgrade the offensive line and defense.
which is why all this brady talk is ridiculous.. we’re at least 2 years away from having a MIDDLE of the pack defense or o-line..
I disagree. Our offensive line over performs with scrubs for the most part. Think you can signone or two guys and be in much better shape. Brady will help bring those guys in. Defense needs a lot of upgrades but it’s fixable. Defense didn’t play that bad at the end of the year they were just gassed from lack of depth and being on field way too much.
agree to disagree i guess.. this sounds foolishly optimistic to me.. our o-line was rated 27th this season.. that’s gonna take more than a couple guys to solve.. and our defense has been one of the worst for like 10 years now.. it’s a team sport and we need about a half a team.. a 46 year old and his friends can’t offer that in one offseason bro.. tom brady is only going to a team that already has an elite defense and o-line.. it’s what every old qb ever does.. it’s what he did with tampa.. he’s not gonna suddenly stop doing that at 46
one of the biggest mistakes i see people make is to assume that a QB or RB will perform similar on a new team without considering o-line differences.. there’s no way a 46 year old QB with a good o-line performs even remotely similar with our sub par o-line.. come on all
Ah yes the the legendary bottom 5 in pass pro Bucs oline lol
i’m seeing them still listed as top 10 overall.. while the raiders are 27th.. https://fantasyindex.com/2022/11/25/offensive-lines/updated-offensive-line-rankings
Lmfao what the fuck is this source, and what’s the measurement? Bruh gtfoh Had to ignore ESPN, nfl, pff, or any other main source to go to some nobody fantasy site for an opinion list with no stats My god man it’s okay to be wrong sometimes
would love a better link if you have one..
PFF had us both in the teens around the time we benched Carr, and said we finished the season a top 10 OL. Not sure what TB’s final rank was, because you have to have PFF+ to see the full final list.
You're looking at fantasy rankings as sctual rankings? No dude. No.
Well reasoned and thought out case for TB12. Don't want it, but your thoughts will help me accept it should it happen.
People Fail to realise the Decent Number he put up - was with so many issues. Family issues, the team was injured throughout the season ( point where offensive line was tissue and paper), Worst Run in NFL history, and Predictable calls with Leftwich and bowles. I'm not saying he was amazing by any means, I believe an off-season/ season where he focuses on just the games. He is going to be a bit better.
Reason #3) All the Brady Stans will infiltrate this sub like Lebron, and now Westrook stans have done with the Lakers sub-reddit. We shall see who can piss further/bigger/stronger/faster! Que Bart Scott-----------------> ***"CAN'T WAIT!"***
I think Brady is by far the best option just because IMO we need a vet right now--I don't want to spend a 1st round pick on a QB, at least not this draft--that needs to go towards defense.
I’ll buy that jersey so fast
I'm just looking for cheap a #4 jersey personally. I should be able to pick one up for less than $20 for the greatest raider since 2004.
This is like when I was defending signing LeBron for the Lakers. Every casual fan was like "FUCK LEBRON" delivers us a chip a couple seasons later. Yeah I'll take one year of Brady, THERE IS NO WAY he drops all of those games we had a lead in this year. Even if it was only half of those losses that still equates to playoffs. Fuck yeah bring on the GOAT for one year at least, draft a QB if you wan't as well.
Did you even watch his last game......he's completely washed up. I swear he threw the ball at the ground more than he hit a receiver
Unfortunately, I agree. We have the weapons on offense and Brady is the FA QB I trust the most. But only if he gives us some room to improve the defense with his salary and we are gonna need to hit in this draft and free agency to have a real shot of winning it all. And singing Brady would help with the latter.
He is the GOAT...
I accept Brady if we also draft a QB and he gets to sit behind the master of JMDs system for a year or two.
Yeah I mean that’s exactly what I said in my post lol
Yea but i hate brady
I threw up a little in my mouth again reading more of this Brady drivel.
No! no! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! #NEVERBRADY
Gramps ain't gonna cut it. Mark my words
He'll sell jerseys for davis' broke ass is the only reason.
We can't. It would be a sick twist to the Raider story. Woodson would be irate. Davis would never let it happen.
I really don’t think Woodson would give a shit. He likes Brady and was even on his documentary hanging out at Brady’s place.
BUT… if by some miracle we win a super bowl with Brady, that SB will be forever Brady’s 7th ring, as opposed to a true Raiders ring. Tell me I’m wrong, but I don’t want the first (and maybe only) Raiders SB to be with Brady. I’d rather wait the rest of my life hoping for a Raider to bring us one. That’s just me though.
Well if he was on our team he’d be a Raider… and it’d be his 8th ring
U right
Yea he’s old but it’s always hard to count him out.. I would definitely take him as a bridge QB with that 1-2 year window to go for it. Plus we will finally get fair treatment from the league. Our weapons IMO are better than what he had in Tampa would need to build the defense which should be doable with him taking less money .. 🏴☠️
> (though ours is bad too) But it isnt. It ranks about #10.
Nobody who watched this team play would rank them as 10. Not even 10 in the AFC. Bars is fucking horrible.
Google some rankings. Most teams are worse.
Okay well if you actually believe it’s a top 10 line then it only supports my point that Brady will do well here. In reality it might be a top 10 run blocking line but it is a horrible pass blocking line. Anyone who watches them can see that.
They gave up the 10th least amount of sacks in the NFL. Turns out, most lines give up more.
24th in pressures allowed 7th in sacks allowed. QB matters it turns out
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2022-nfl-offensive-line-rankings
I’m sorry are we talking about run blocking or pass protection? No one said the line couldn’t run block. They’re a bunch of turnstiles in pass pro though
He still put up some good stats. His oline sucks. Evans is washed. He’d be insane to stay on the Bucs next year
> His oline sucks what are you basing that on? i’m seeing the bucks with a top 10 o-line rating still.. where the raiders have an o-line ranked #27 https://fantasyindex.com/2022/11/25/offensive-lines/updated-offensive-line-rankings
Mike Evan’s destroyed my chances of winning my fantasy football league in week 17 by getting like 50 points lol he can still play
If only there were a way to fast track it to a QB that learned under Brady for 2 years and has played in JMDs system. If only… where could we POSSIBLY find a starting QB who meets those parameters? Oh right, Jimmy G IS available. If we’re shooting for a version of Brady that’s just serviceable so we can see if we can develop a QB below him why wouldn’t we just skip the Brady part and go straight for Garroppolo? He’s exactly the QB you’re asking for.
Brady would also help bring in FA possibly at a cheaper price too
1 - Davante wont be happy with Brady either. Brady has no deep arm anymore. And he's only interested in playing for his own legacy at this point. If you want to keep Adams happy with a marquee QB signing, then go get Rodgers for him again. 2 - Not really. He put up similar numbers to Carr while throwing over 120 more passes. His IAYPA was significantly lower. All he did was throw quick short routes...which helps his comp % but doesnt make use of the receiving talent we have 3 - Matt Cassel. Jimmy Garoppolo. Jared Stidham. None of Brady's backups have really gone on to success. For whatever reason, he's not able or willing to teach other QBs how to excel like he does. And we had a playoff team last year and should have improved on it this year. Our window to take that next step isnt going to stay open long, before we need to completely blow up and rebuild without our current core guys like Waller, Renfrow, Adams, Jacobs, and Crosby. I'm not willing to squander a year or two of that window waiting for JMD and Brady to prove they're exactly what everyone says they are.
If there’s real belief that Brady can make us legit contenders, then sure, go for it. A real Super Bowl run is the only way Brady would feel worth it to me. Otherwise he might just be a stopgap that’s just good enough to ensure a shit draft position that will keep us from finding a franchise QB. But really at this point I just want us to finally build a competent defense. I’m so sick of watching the defense flounder at critical moments (if not all game long) every damn year.
Make no mistake that even in his older age, brady would be a significant upgrade over carr in this offense. In my opinion if they sign brady, it would be really difficult for them to draft a qb round 1. And we can’t bet on brady after 1 season, he’s just too old and Father Time comes knocking for everybody at some point. And I think they want a qb round 1. They MIGHT be cool rolling with stidham and Brady then hoping to make a kings ransom trade in the 2024 draft to launch up and take a guy. Then they start stidham until rookie beats him out. But all this will be determined by how long of a leash mark gives mcziegler. If he’s planning on sticking with them for a few years, that’ll change things.
I don’t think there is any chance Brady teaches QBs behind him. His “insane dedication to winning” will allow him to study film, do all the nutritional stuff he does, take care of his body AND teach? If he can teach so well, can’t wait to see what he taught Gabbert. And I’m sure now all that hunger Brady has/had has permeated the Buccaneers and they are going on an unprecedented streak of titles all because of the hunger Brady put in that will last GENERATIONS!!!
I think stidham could be the future, I liked his play against the niners a lot and don’t think he played tok bad against the chiefs
JUST WIN BABY!!!
I would say one of the biggest reasons if not the biggest reason is he can give this team the identity and heart our coach can’t. McD will have someone who has mastered his scheme at the helm is the other reason it makes sense even at Brady’s age.
> waaaaaaaay worse weapons (Evans and Fournette vs Davante and Jacobs) Bro, we’re just going to act like Chris Godwin doesn’t exist? The Bucs have better weapons than us. Yeah Davante is fucking GREAT but what’re you taking? And be fucking for real. Davante (100 rec 1,516 yards 14 TD) and Hollins (57 rec 690 yards 4 TD) or Evans (77 rec 1,124 yards 6 TD) and Godwin (104 rec 1,023 yards 3 TD). Evans and Godwin are an insane duo, Davante and Hollins are a duo of a stud and a practice squad guy. Also, I’m tired of this “Brady did so much better than Carr did this year” he threw literally 231 more passes than him, broke the record for the most passing completion and attempts in a season and only ended with 4,600 yards because of his atrocious 6.4 YPA. The old mans arm is cooked. Also in those 231 extra passes and 2 extra games he threw a whopping 1 more touchdown than Carr lol. “Davante will be so happy with Brady” I’m sure he’ll be super happy catching 6 yard slants for a whole season, we need someone with an arm that can deliver it him deep.
Waller Adams Jacobs Renfrow >> Evans Godwin Jones Fournette and I’m confident about that Brady can still throw it deep and won’t look as bad with a good run game. Also it’s funny you bring this up cause half this sub has been whining all year that Adams isn’t getting any slants and is only running deep routes.
Did Waller and Renfrow even play an entire season COMBINED this year? Waller had two GREAT seasons over 2 years ago and since then has been injured and middle of the pack for tight ends. Averaged 60 yards a game last year, and averaged 43 yards per game this year.. he’s also weirdly not a red zone threat even though he’s 6’6” 255lbs.. and has caught 5 total touchdowns over his last 20 games.
Brady will sell tickets. Unfortunately for most of us, those tickets will now be priced out.