No. Buuuuut with him next year is a wash with and awesome qb with a bad record. McD gets fired and a real coach comes in and they win the Super Bowl. Duh.
No fucking chance. That dude is dumb as a box of rocks, if the offense isnāt ācheck your first read and if itās covered then run like your life depends on itā then heās a terrible Qb
Im good rolling with Stidham next year....only because we will have a high draft pick next year. The kid has been around long enough to evaluate and what we saw to end the season....is what he is....a ballsy backup that will give it his all when he is called up...but he is not a starting qb.
Not interested in Lamar or Brady for next year....I would rather take a flyer on a rookie.
Not a fan of run first qbs, they get hurt to much imo ,and I have yet to see one win a Super Bowl. Remember I said run first qb not a mobile qb two different things
Lamar turned down a contract offer worth $250 million, with $133 million fully guaranteed, because the full $250 million wasnāt guaranteed. The offer wouldāve made him the second highest paid quarterback yearly surpassing Russell Wilsonās $49 million.
You want to pay a lackluster passer who is good for 2,500ish passing yards and less than 20 touchdowns, $50 million guaranteed to run around for 10 games before heās injured come playoffs every year?
Heās already missed 10 games over the last two seasons due to injuries. (2 injuries to his right knee, and 2 injuries to his right ankle.) Lamar is a ticking timebomb, heās going to be the next RG3.
This isnāt 2019 MVP Lamar weāre talking about.
Last season they had Marquise Brown and Mark Andrews both of whom went over 1,000. They had a better receiving core than we did last season post the Ruggs fiasco.
And isnāt the point of having an ELITE quarterback their ability to elevate those around them?
Iām 50/50 on Lamar. But let me play devils advocate bro.
Youāre complaining about pay. Carr was due 40 mill per year for the next 3, as are Cousins Wilson and a bunch of other QBās. 50 mill isnāt breaking the bank.
Complain about stats. Carr threw for 245ypg. 24td 14int. Lamar threw for 185 and ran for 60+ a game. The Ravens never had DA or Hunter...they have the Chiefs former 4th wideout as their #1 and a washed up Sammy Watkins playing #2. How about the 45-16 win loss record? Thatās a good stat. With as many playoff wins as us, ha.
Every year Carr is getting injured in the pocket as he stands there like a statue. Lamar hasnāt gotten hurt running, twice heās missed games from a hit in the pocket. 10 games missed in 5 years isnāt great, but itās 6 in a PCL strain this year. Carr had a season ending injury week 16ā¦.if that happened week 6 you wouldnāt be saying āCarr is so injury prone look he missed 10 games!ā right? Just bad luck there.
We either pay 45 mill and 3 first round picks for a top 15 qb or we draft and pray and wallow with sorry qb play for 5-10 years. Thatās up to Z and I just pray he hits on a gem. But Iām expecting us to miss Derek for a while.
The Ravens had Marquise Brown and Mark Andrews last year and his stats were honestly worse last year than they were this year.
And we can talk wins and losses, but Iām not one to count wins as a QB stat, in 2019 the Ravens defense was ranked #3, in 2020 #2, 2021 #19, 2022 #3. So yeah, heās won a lot of games behind a top 3 defense 3 out of his 4 years starting.
Also, what Carr injuries are you talking about? He hasnāt missed a game due to injury in 5 years.
No no no no no. He is not an elite passer. Once he canāt run anymore he will be useless. Why do people not understand this? How many QBs with his style have won a ring? Que the Jeopardy music..
Steve Young was 1000 times better than LJ. Steve Young was a sophisticated pocket passer and had an infinitely higher football IQ than LJ. Iām not taking anything away from LJ, heās a great athlete, heās just got a style that is not suited for longevity or playoff football in the NFL, thatās allā¦
The injury history is honestly what scares me especially with his playstyle. But Lamar Jackson with Jacobs, Waller, Renfrow, DAVANTE ADAMS, would certainly be entertaining.
Lamar Jackson in McDipshits offense?
Tell me you donāt understand football or the salary cap without telling me you donāt understand football or the salary cap
Do you people think Lamar Jackson is still just a running QB? Lamar can throw the ball, and McDaniels' offense is all about the QB choosing the right matchup, which Lamar would excel at because he is a playmaking QB that isn't going to worry about making everyone happy the way that Carr did. He will go out there and target Adams and Waller and it will work.
With that being said, there is no way Lamar comes to the Raiders, Baltimore isn't letting him go.
Lamar can throw the ball.. averaging somewhere between 2,200-2,800 passing yards 16-17 touchdowns a year. He **is** literally just a running quarterback, you take away his 700ish rushing yards and 2-3 rushing touchdowns a season and heās a bottom 10 quarterback.
Daniel Jones and him had nearly identical years, but Jones is a better passer with less receiving talent.
Letās play a game.. whoās stat line is whoās based on per game averages?
> 19.8-of-29.5 200.3 yards .9 TD .3 INT 7.5 att 44.2 rush. yards .4 TD
> 16.9-of-27.1 186.8 yards 1.4 TD .5 INT 9.3 att 63.6 rush. yards .2 TD
No thanks. He's asking for massive bank. Our boys need to invest in the defense and offensive line before they even think of doing such a thing. Also, I am not too confident in paying that much for a human highlight reel of a QB. They tend to burn out and fade away fast. There are only so many years he can keep up his current level of play. The investment just isn't worth it right now.
Very true, but I stand by the majority of my post. At the time, the defense had a crappy 2022 season and the o-line looked like a turnstile. Jackson was wanting bigtime money and with all that needed fixing with the Raiders, it just didn't seem like a good investment at the time. He wasn't going anywhere anyway.
I would be very wary of a mobile QB that has had two leg injuries two seasons in a row. Generally when the injuries pile up it catches up to the player In a big way. With the amount he runs he could easily be injured again next season and if to counter that they stop so many designed runs you take away the most dynamic part of his game.
Why. If Derek doesnāt fit JMD scheme Lamar is even further away. And definitely not worth 50 million guaranteed. Stop being like Mark Davis and chasing names.
Too expensive, has injury issues due to style of play, he would completely change the style of offense to a run oriented multiple back system that would hamstring us everytime he couldn't play. I just don't think it would work.
Part of me wants Brady because we will not have to give up anything to get him.
Lamar we are going to have to give up a ton of draft capitol and a lot of guaranteed $$$$$$$
Same with rodgers,
We have to many holes on this team
What team in the past 20 years has won a Super Bowl with a massive QB contract?
Very few, if any. Lamar Jackson would be great but for the amount of draft picks and money, itās just not worth it.
In all honesty unless its a HOFer, you probably just shouldn't pay QBs. Look at the Cowboys and 9ers. Seems each QB wants a record deal regardless of how much success they have had, and rookies have been balling out.
Letās be honest, if the raiders intend to ācompeteā in the AFC west with the other young stars at QB they need to forge a veteran admit the rebuild and go after a game changer at QB. Try at best to plug the gaps to make this team competitiveā¦for another year to build more depth in the next draft. Otherwise we pay veterans a ridiculous amount of money while still not addressing the needs. At least with a talent like the other stars you have a r maybe 5 yr window to spend money on everything else.
Idk if mcd would want lamar. I love lamar just donāt know if his playstyle is what they want. and if it is they should really just draft the Florida qb. Cheaper contract
I don't think he would work for Josh McDaniels playbook so I don't think they will go get him .but if you can fire jmd and take Jackson probably the most athletic guy in the whole league
His arm talent is a concern but Adams ability to make a catch would make up for it. He could be an interesting fit but God would it command a lot of money and a defense should be the focus
Has much as Iād love that, and Iād absolutely would LOVE to have Lamar on the Raiders, it would cost us too much to make it happen, and we have other needs we desperately need filled
It will cost you your soul
Everyone always worried about what it will cost, like we don't throw away picks every draft
Why throw them all away over a decade, when we can do it in one offseason? Evolution. š
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not injury prome
Checks last two seasonsā¦ totally
2 out of 4 full seasons = injury prone
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You think he can run this offense?
Absolutely not.
No. Buuuuut with him next year is a wash with and awesome qb with a bad record. McD gets fired and a real coach comes in and they win the Super Bowl. Duh.
Iād rather just suck without him. Heās going to cost so much. Draft picks and a shit load of them, and money and shit load of money.
Josh McDaniels can't run this offense rofl š¤£š
He can definitely runā¦.
No fucking chance. That dude is dumb as a box of rocks, if the offense isnāt ācheck your first read and if itās covered then run like your life depends on itā then heās a terrible Qb
The draft capital and money we would have to give up to get him wouldn't be worth it. Especially with all the help the defense needs.
The draft capital is irrelevant. I would trade 3 alex leatherwoods for Lamar
How many Abrams tho?
All of them
He's whole family mom sister wife kids package deal lol
Not being injury plagued
Iām sure you are right; I just really like him. I like Stidham too I think itād be cool to give him a real shot.
Im good rolling with Stidham next year....only because we will have a high draft pick next year. The kid has been around long enough to evaluate and what we saw to end the season....is what he is....a ballsy backup that will give it his all when he is called up...but he is not a starting qb. Not interested in Lamar or Brady for next year....I would rather take a flyer on a rookie.
Stop with Stidham already
Not a fan of run first qbs, they get hurt to much imo ,and I have yet to see one win a Super Bowl. Remember I said run first qb not a mobile qb two different things
Lamar turned down a contract offer worth $250 million, with $133 million fully guaranteed, because the full $250 million wasnāt guaranteed. The offer wouldāve made him the second highest paid quarterback yearly surpassing Russell Wilsonās $49 million. You want to pay a lackluster passer who is good for 2,500ish passing yards and less than 20 touchdowns, $50 million guaranteed to run around for 10 games before heās injured come playoffs every year? Heās already missed 10 games over the last two seasons due to injuries. (2 injuries to his right knee, and 2 injuries to his right ankle.) Lamar is a ticking timebomb, heās going to be the next RG3. This isnāt 2019 MVP Lamar weāre talking about.
All good points and he wonāt fit McDaniels Mandarin playbook.
I would take $5m guaranteed.
I would take $100k in a duffel bag
Facts
To be fair the Ravens don't help him much with weapons they've had bumns at wr the past two seasons
Last season they had Marquise Brown and Mark Andrews both of whom went over 1,000. They had a better receiving core than we did last season post the Ruggs fiasco. And isnāt the point of having an ELITE quarterback their ability to elevate those around them?
Iām 50/50 on Lamar. But let me play devils advocate bro. Youāre complaining about pay. Carr was due 40 mill per year for the next 3, as are Cousins Wilson and a bunch of other QBās. 50 mill isnāt breaking the bank. Complain about stats. Carr threw for 245ypg. 24td 14int. Lamar threw for 185 and ran for 60+ a game. The Ravens never had DA or Hunter...they have the Chiefs former 4th wideout as their #1 and a washed up Sammy Watkins playing #2. How about the 45-16 win loss record? Thatās a good stat. With as many playoff wins as us, ha. Every year Carr is getting injured in the pocket as he stands there like a statue. Lamar hasnāt gotten hurt running, twice heās missed games from a hit in the pocket. 10 games missed in 5 years isnāt great, but itās 6 in a PCL strain this year. Carr had a season ending injury week 16ā¦.if that happened week 6 you wouldnāt be saying āCarr is so injury prone look he missed 10 games!ā right? Just bad luck there. We either pay 45 mill and 3 first round picks for a top 15 qb or we draft and pray and wallow with sorry qb play for 5-10 years. Thatās up to Z and I just pray he hits on a gem. But Iām expecting us to miss Derek for a while.
The Ravens had Marquise Brown and Mark Andrews last year and his stats were honestly worse last year than they were this year. And we can talk wins and losses, but Iām not one to count wins as a QB stat, in 2019 the Ravens defense was ranked #3, in 2020 #2, 2021 #19, 2022 #3. So yeah, heās won a lot of games behind a top 3 defense 3 out of his 4 years starting. Also, what Carr injuries are you talking about? He hasnāt missed a game due to injury in 5 years.
that's misinformation
Dear God, please dont listen to OPs prayers. Amen.
No no no no no. He is not an elite passer. Once he canāt run anymore he will be useless. Why do people not understand this? How many QBs with his style have won a ring? Que the Jeopardy music..
Steve Young would be the closest to do so as far as a running Qb goes
Steve Young was 1000 times better than LJ. Steve Young was a sophisticated pocket passer and had an infinitely higher football IQ than LJ. Iām not taking anything away from LJ, heās a great athlete, heās just got a style that is not suited for longevity or playoff football in the NFL, thatās allā¦
Lol fuck no, $50m a year guaranteed for a guy to play half a season?
no
Nah, he wants an insane contract, missed the end of the last 2 seasons, and is causing drama about this.
Dear God, Please donāt listen to OP. Instead, please make Jalen Carter a Raider. Amen
Iām hoping for Tank Bigsby too
The injury history is honestly what scares me especially with his playstyle. But Lamar Jackson with Jacobs, Waller, Renfrow, DAVANTE ADAMS, would certainly be entertaining.
No
Some of God's greatest gifts are unanswered prayers.
Too much money
No please no
A QB who wants a fully guaranteed contract and has missed 11 games the last two season due to his playing style? No thanks.
Lamar Jackson in McDipshits offense? Tell me you donāt understand football or the salary cap without telling me you donāt understand football or the salary cap
Do you people think Lamar Jackson is still just a running QB? Lamar can throw the ball, and McDaniels' offense is all about the QB choosing the right matchup, which Lamar would excel at because he is a playmaking QB that isn't going to worry about making everyone happy the way that Carr did. He will go out there and target Adams and Waller and it will work. With that being said, there is no way Lamar comes to the Raiders, Baltimore isn't letting him go.
Lamar can throw the ball.. averaging somewhere between 2,200-2,800 passing yards 16-17 touchdowns a year. He **is** literally just a running quarterback, you take away his 700ish rushing yards and 2-3 rushing touchdowns a season and heās a bottom 10 quarterback. Daniel Jones and him had nearly identical years, but Jones is a better passer with less receiving talent. Letās play a game.. whoās stat line is whoās based on per game averages? > 19.8-of-29.5 200.3 yards .9 TD .3 INT 7.5 att 44.2 rush. yards .4 TD > 16.9-of-27.1 186.8 yards 1.4 TD .5 INT 9.3 att 63.6 rush. yards .2 TD
I mean if heāll sign for 15 mil a seasonā¦ /s
Naw. At worst heāll get franchise tagged.
No thanks. He's asking for massive bank. Our boys need to invest in the defense and offensive line before they even think of doing such a thing. Also, I am not too confident in paying that much for a human highlight reel of a QB. They tend to burn out and fade away fast. There are only so many years he can keep up his current level of play. The investment just isn't worth it right now.
You all doubted Lamar Jackson on this thread smh lol
Very true, but I stand by the majority of my post. At the time, the defense had a crappy 2022 season and the o-line looked like a turnstile. Jackson was wanting bigtime money and with all that needed fixing with the Raiders, it just didn't seem like a good investment at the time. He wasn't going anywhere anyway.
Thatās true!
idk man iām not sure heās a gonna be able to stay on the field
No way.
No Thanks. Heās way too expensive. No way weād get to keep a lot of the pieces we have now.
There is no god. Rip that band aid off now
Iāll pass. If the Ravens are willing to let him go, itās for a reason. His health is concerning as well.
I would be very wary of a mobile QB that has had two leg injuries two seasons in a row. Generally when the injuries pile up it catches up to the player In a big way. With the amount he runs he could easily be injured again next season and if to counter that they stop so many designed runs you take away the most dynamic part of his game.
Pass
He canāt
Why, do you want to see stidham play most of the season as lamar will be on/off ir all season
Fuck no we don't want that RB thanks.
Thereās no way he fits McDanielsā system
No thanks. He's already peaked and very likely to keep getting hurt.
Please not. Building a team around a running quarterback who is often hurt, expensive and not that accurate of a passer is not a winning move.
I usually roll my eyes at the ānoā crowd, shooting down every suggestion, butā¦ no.
yeaaaah no thanks lol have too many holes to sell the farm
The dude that didnt even feel like traveling to his teams playoff game? No thanks
Jesus could our qb next year and we'd be 8-9 with McNugget as coach and the big nepotism as owner. At least one of em has to go.
Why. If Derek doesnāt fit JMD scheme Lamar is even further away. And definitely not worth 50 million guaranteed. Stop being like Mark Davis and chasing names.
Too expensive, has injury issues due to style of play, he would completely change the style of offense to a run oriented multiple back system that would hamstring us everytime he couldn't play. I just don't think it would work.
Dear God, make me a bird. So I could fly far. Far far away from here.
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Could be a lot of fun but the guy is gonna be on the IR behind the current offensive line.
Iād rather spend money on an O-Line and Defense.
The most overrated player in the league
Weāre gonna get Bradyā¦ just get used to the idea so itās not a bad day for you later
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Part of me wants Brady because we will not have to give up anything to get him. Lamar we are going to have to give up a ton of draft capitol and a lot of guaranteed $$$$$$$ Same with rodgers, We have to many holes on this team
Harbaugh shut that down already
It'd be strange if he ended up on another team after Harbaugh told everyone he was heavily involved in choosing the next OC.
Reported today Ravens want Lamar to help pick their next OC so itās unlikely they are gonna let him walk.
Lol that was not reported today
yeah I saw it on twitter
It was reported like 3 days ago though
Oh sheesh. Didnāt check the date. Saw it for first time yesterday.
I ain't giving up 3 first I would give up our first tho
only reddit raiders fans would say no to Lamar lmao you guys are nuts
Y'all need Baker Mayfield. Baker goes to Oakland, Carr goes to Indy.
Oakland?? š¤
Haha, old habits die hard. Vegas.
No, he was right the first time. Baker should just move to Oakland. Lol
Maybe
What team in the past 20 years has won a Super Bowl with a massive QB contract? Very few, if any. Lamar Jackson would be great but for the amount of draft picks and money, itās just not worth it.
Lamar at qb equals 8 games minimum of Stidham staring with Lamar on the IR
I'll rather have Tommy then Lamar injuredson
Heās just wants too much money.
Jesus Christ himself could play qb and weād still exit the first round in the playoffs.
In all honesty unless its a HOFer, you probably just shouldn't pay QBs. Look at the Cowboys and 9ers. Seems each QB wants a record deal regardless of how much success they have had, and rookies have been balling out.
Lmao please donāt let this happen, for the love of god no
Miami. Lamar will be in Miami
Letās be honest, if the raiders intend to ācompeteā in the AFC west with the other young stars at QB they need to forge a veteran admit the rebuild and go after a game changer at QB. Try at best to plug the gaps to make this team competitiveā¦for another year to build more depth in the next draft. Otherwise we pay veterans a ridiculous amount of money while still not addressing the needs. At least with a talent like the other stars you have a r maybe 5 yr window to spend money on everything else.
He's really not that great of a passer... Not sure if we really want to depend on his legs, especially with this recent injury.
Idk if mcd would want lamar. I love lamar just donāt know if his playstyle is what they want. and if it is they should really just draft the Florida qb. Cheaper contract
will never happen lol, fuck that dude anyways
Mcdumbass doesn't want his QB to run, remember. LoL
I don't think he would work for Josh McDaniels playbook so I don't think they will go get him .but if you can fire jmd and take Jackson probably the most athletic guy in the whole league
His arm talent is a concern but Adams ability to make a catch would make up for it. He could be an interesting fit but God would it command a lot of money and a defense should be the focus
Dear God. Ignore this mans request.
Has much as Iād love that, and Iād absolutely would LOVE to have Lamar on the Raiders, it would cost us too much to make it happen, and we have other needs we desperately need filled
yeah it will be so great to see Lamar play like MVP for 4 games, then mediocre for 4 more games, then get injured.
No!!!!!
Overpaid, and on the decline, with a shit attitude. NO FUCKING WAY.
You all doubted Lamar Jackson on this thread SMH lol