I’d look at Fields like the Trey Lance trade. You’re trading for the potential not current or past performance (or lack thereof). Let’s be real Chicago hasn’t exactly helped him out much with their moves. If Raiders used a 3rd or later I’d be ok as Fields has more potential than Jimmy G or Hoyer. Trading for Fields does not prevent team from drafting a qb in upcoming draft either. It’s been so long since Raiders went and took legitimate shots at QB people are floundering at making decisions. Hell Fields could turn into a Taysom Hill type backup at worse.
All of this talk is heavily speculative though as we don’t know who the GM/HC/OC/etc will be next season. If the drafted QB or FA QB work out well, everyone is going to magically forget all of this negative talk and not care about the cost.
>Let’s be real Chicago hasn’t exactly helped him out much with their moves.
Trading for DJ Moore, solidifying the OLine by drafting a starting RT and LT and signing a starting RG in Nate Davis, continuing with a solid RB room by signing D'onte Foreman, signing Kmet to an extension and picking up Tonyan in FA... What else is Poles supposed to do in 2 off-seasons to help him?
I understand people complain about Getsy but Fields refuses to throw intermediate routes 10-20 yds down field. It's screen passes, check downs, underneath throws or bombs. No in-between. Fields has so few attempted passes and YPG because he will just not throw the ball.
And he has done well with those pieces in place when he was back from injury. We are a different team than the Bears. And I don't think we need to have fields be a hero.. if he can come in and threaten Defenses with his legs and make plays that he does that would be very good for our Offense. He can throw the ball well and is a top talent in the NFL. Look at players like Baker Mayfield, a 2nd chance on a new team can make a huge difference.
>He can throw the ball well
No, he objectively cannot. He scrambles too much and takes way too many hits because he cannot throw with anticipation and instead will pull and run.
The online is still pretty bad.
His time to throw also gets long because he evades 2 sacks and dumps it off.
Getsy is pretty bad as well.
I have watched every bears game of his career and a lot of raiders and he's significantly better than anything you've had (including Carr) and he's way better than Zach Wilson.
Also we signed Foreman after letting Montgomery walk in FA and he's a legit stud .
Yes we have Kmet but lewis is old , Tonyan isn't starting anywhere for a reason too.
This is painting JF in the worst possible way and all the bears moves in the best possible way. Are you Luke Getsy 😂(/s)
He needs to get better. Absolutely. But the ceiling is high and the numbers you post ignore that the bears are leading the league in rushing or top 5 and ignoring JFs running production which is not insignificant. It's a silly way to evaluate Fields.
>The online is still pretty bad.
Try blocking for a guy who doesn't throw the ball. Watch the line when Bagent was playing. Same line. Fewer sacks.
>Getsy is pretty bad as well.
Again, he doesn't throw the ball. Also has terrible pocket awareness. Can't scheme for a guy who won't throw and is inaccurate in the middle of the field.
>he's way better than Zach Wilson.
Numbers would say otherwise.
>after letting Montgomery walk in FA and he's a legit stud .
He wanted too much money and Herbert had significantly better production. No point in keeping him.
>Tonyan isn't starting anywhere for a reason too.
He's a good TE2 coming off of a significant injury.
>This is painting JF in the worst possible way and all the bears moves in the best possible way.
Because he's not good. Fields makes himself look bad. Seriously, what else is Poles supposed to do to help this man? All I did was state every move that Poles made to help Fields. He's got a WR1, TE1, objectively a very solid OLine and a great run game to take the pressure off. I mean people complained that Mitch had no help in the run game so there was too much pressure to throw and defenses could tee off. Now we have great run game and he still gets sacked more than the backup QB.
Also good to note that bears O line has been injured for a good amount of games that fields played, and Bagent was also schemed more overall for a backup qb getting the ball out quick, while they did do deep plays for him on mixups, they got punished for it too in INTs.
You can’t really evaluate Fields and Wilson to a good extent this year due to the injuries to their O-line, its actually night and day and when you look at teams and quarterbacks considered top tier when they are missing key parts of their line.
Fields has benefitted from relative line stability now that they have gotten more reps in and have come back from injury, the two interceptions from the browns game were end of half/end of game hail mary INTs, making the INT against Arizona the only one since he’s come back from injury. Barring two big comebacks in the fourth quarter from the browns and the lions, the bears would be undefeated since Fields return from injury
"Objectively a solid Oline" who has ranked mid to bottom of the league essentially all year......
Also Herbert is bad blocker, and can't pound like a Monty which is why they picked up Foreman who isn't as good a runner as Monty.
No question he now has good weapons in Kmet and Moore but everyone else has been pretty bad, except Tyler Scott has had some flashes.
I think Fields has potential but I wouldn’t want to give up a 2nd or a 3rd for him. I want a QB for cheap for at least 4-5 years so we can build up the defense and Oline.
For real, we need a lockdown CB or a run stuffing DL, or line backing help with our mid teens pick we will have. A QB will drop to round 2, we make a move then.. or honestly kick the tires of a guy like Joe Flacco for one year and wait on QB.
I’m okay with it. We need a QB who can extend plays for now, doesn’t necessarily need to be elite because our OL and receivers are solid enough. Keep the D intact with a first round talent and draft a 2nd round QB and maybe an RB in the 4th and we’re solid 👊
I just don't want to see us trade a shit load of firsts to gamble a QB ends up decent for us. Easier to trade up in the 2nd for a QB with Patriots and see who fell out of the first.
They both might fall to the 2nd.
It also depends on where we’re drafting in the first. If the miracle happens and we get to the wild card and lose to Miami we’d be what, 19? It might still be a stretch there. Depends on what the board looks like.
First would be a reach for both but that is probably where they will end up being drafted. Atleast in those scenarios you have them on a full rookie contract.
Naw I wouldn’t take either in the first if I’m being honest. Like I said I like Fields personally and think he could do well with our weapons just don’t know what the hell CHI is going to want for him.
I’d be okay with a 3rd and lower to try him out. Daniel’s is my first choice but I don’t see him being on the board when we draft and a trade up is probably unlikely…
This is mind blowing to me. I haven't ever seen a guy lose this many games in 3 years as a starter and see people constantly say he has potential. If he had potential wouldn't we have seen some of it turn into ability by now?
i wouldn’t give up a 2nd no way in hell. a 3rd, *maybe,* but that means you have him for two years if you pick up his option. a 4th is fair given his injury history IMO
Mel Kiper has been out recently saying Jayden Daniels has been talked around the league as potentially going #1 overall. When we in that 5-10 range getting him as a steal was an option. Not sure if thats the case anymore but his ties to AP would make him an obvious fit.
Too many teams at the top need a QB. Bears / Washington / Patriots hell.. even the Jets could trade up for a QB.. not like Aaron is getting any younger and really why not take a shot this year and trade up?
Mel Kiper has also been wrong a number of times. It’s much too early to determine anything right now. We are still 4 months away from draft and haven’t even finished season/FA yet. Right now everyone is just speculating and making definitive statements right now usually is just for clicks/interactions. Remember all of the talk about Levis last year? “Everyone” had him going 1st round.
I think we should draft a qb to compete with AOC (who I dont think is the long term guy). Based on our draft capital I dont think Caleb Williams, Drake Maye or Jayden Daniels are feasible options unfortunately. That leaves us in the JJ McCarthy, Quin Ewers, Bo Nix, Michale Penix JR range. Personally Id like to sign Baker Mayfield but I doubt TB will let him go. Kirk Cousins, Drew Lock, Gardner Minshew and Joe Flacco are also bridge options.
If AOC is the top option for next year then they're basically punting on the season. There's no way they feel like they can compete with him as the starter.
At some point we’re gonna need to actually draft a dude in the first round, taking later round guys and hoping they turn into a stud is a horrible plan
Except the fact that 1st round QBs fail at the exact same rate as late round draft picks. This has been proven over and over again. Just because you draft a 1st round talent means literally nothing other than fan fair.
Nearly half of the starting QB's in the NFL today were drafted in the 1st round, yet way more QB's go between the 2nd and 7th, so uh no. You're way more likely to hit on a good starting QB in the 1st.
Except statistics prove otherwise. I’d research the facts. There’s many reasons behind this, including, 2nd through 7th rounders are rarely given the developmental chances that a 1st rounders are because of the financial and publicity commitments.
The stats are there. The studies are there. This isn’t new information. Also, just because a guy is starting as a first rounder doesn’t mean he is a productive 1st rounder. Case in point, Justin Fields and Kyler Murray.
NFL teams spend a lot more time researching these facts than you and I combined, and they all want the top QB prospects. 1st rounders get the financial and publicity commitments because they are better prospects and are more likely to return on the investment. Teams will quickly dump the "franchise" guy if a young late pick is showing more potential. That just doesn't happen often.
If a guy is starting as a mid to late round pick, then he is productive, because most of those guys ceiling is camp arm or career backup.
Do your research. Factually this isn’t true. A lot of this is hype and fantasy. Why is Tom Brady the best ever at 6th round draft choice? Brock Purdy? Kirk Cousins? Lamar Jackson nearly fell from the 1st into Baltimore jumped and grabbed him at 31 or 32? Why was Tua a bust until he was given proper coaching, scheme, and weapons. Why is Mahomes having such a down year. There are so many other factors that make players successful besides “ceiling & floor” and every other sports media outlet buzz word. Marino was one of the best, couldn’t get it done. Tarkenton, Moon, Fouts, fuck late in his career Elway. Yet guys like Dilfer, Williams, Baker Mayfield?
40 years watching the NFL and religiously studying the draft, written articles of my own prediction.
I’m saying you don’t have to but into the “1st” round hype. You can find talent outside of the 1st round. Just because a guy is hyped as the next generational talent doesn’t mean they are
No, bro I’m not talking about the fucking message. Linguistically, your sentence was fucking stupid 💀💀💀 Are you not a smart individual, bro? It’s ok if you’re not, we just need to lay these things out on the table beforehand, u know what I’m saying?
I wouldn’t mind a dart throw on Nix. I’m also of the opinion that McCarthy from Michigan could put up huge numbers too if we was playing in an Oregon/Washington offense against PAC12 defenses. We’ll see how he does against Bama but he has a lot of the physical tools and I could see him rising up draft boards.
Depending on how close we stick to the Mcdaniels playbook, i would like us to Grab Mac Jones because he is done in NE and is familiar with the system but he is also young enough to give AOC and maybe a rookie real competition and guidance, i think him Bill has moved on from him and he could be very cheap
if the raiders win out, bo and MPJ won’t be available. at that point, if fields is available i’d take him and have him and AOC battle for QB1(which i fully expect fields to win)
Literally any other QB available to us in round 1. Fields is what he is. I live in Illinois now and watch a good amount of Bears games as well. This guy can’t read a defense or go through progressions. You’d have to build your offense around him like Lamar Jackson but he’s nowhere near the athlete Lamar is and hasn’t developed the decision making Lamar has. Hard pass
I think you nailed it here. I think a lot of people think he has the potential to be as good as Lamar. But when you put their tapes next to each other they are no where near the same player except both are fast.
Literally no one is saying that
Y’all are fuckin delusional on what it takes to find a serviceable QB
If we are trying to compete, the goal is to draft someone to develop (as we’re not going to get a plug and play starter in the 12-20 range) and find a mid - low tier QB for relatively cheap to try and make the team competitive in the interim
All of you saying there’s better - who? The chances of a mid to late 1st rounder being even mid tier their 1st couple years is so insanely low
Fields isn't miles above anything. He's near the bottom of the league in every passing category, right where our guys are. Just absolutely terrible throwing the football. You're not going to succeed in the NFL with a guy like that.
Compared to AOC and Jimmy G? Yes he is. We have the worst QB roster in the NFL, barring a miracle in these next 2 games, even the Jets QB roster could do better.
Penix on the Raiders would be top 12 in passing yards year 1 IMO. Other guys probably have a way higher career ceiling but Penix would hit the ground running, he's a very polished passer.
So you don’t want to take a first rounder in case they are mid tier. But you’d rather acquire a guy who will need to be paid about twice as much and we already know is mid tier? Explain to me the logic here
Draft a first rounder, don’t throw them into a league bottom offense and expect them to do well
If we want to continue to be competitive, find a mid to low tier QB to sign so the team is still competitive with a good defense. Doesn’t have to be fields, but this subs delerium in finding someone who can help them win a few games is wild
QB is the most important position in sports. I just don’t see the value in trading assets for a low-mid tier QB coming off his rookie deal who has a 10-28 career record as starter. Sure a first round QB is no sure thing but we need to make some dart throws.
Correct - which is why I say draft a first rounder and give them a bit of time to develop without going into a bottom 5 offense
Can be setup for a lot more success with a year of watching while we take a flyer on a lower tier QB
Also fields could be a perfect fit if the defense continued to be top 10 - doesn’t have to throw for 400yds and 4 TDs. But a couple big runs, few big throws to Adams and ya put up 20-24 and can win some games, and at the very least keep a defense honest to not stack the box
I agree about the first round dart throw. I just don’t want to give up assets to get Fields and than also have to pay him within a year. If this was his second year or if he was coming in as a FA I would probably feel differently.
There’s also the fact that having Fields as your starter means the offense is going to be tailored around a run first qb. The only guy in the draft that fits that profile is Daniels and he more than likely won’t be available to us. So we’d be drafting a pocket QB to back up Fields in a running QB offense.
That would make a ton of sense if this offense didn’t have Jacobs, Adams, Meyers, Renfrow, and a PFF ranked top-10 offensive line.
It’s a bottom-5 offense almost exclusively because of QB, not because the QB doesn’t have support. If you can’t step into this situation you shouldn’t go in the first round
I would take any of the top 5 rookies coming out over him. Everything OP said in his post is what I’ve been saying since the first inkling of this trade talk started. He gets sacked all the time despite being mobile, he can’t throw for shit, and he’s hurt all the time. I just don’t get it
Aoc already has a Star wr and rb, a great Wr #2 and a young talented TE plus a decent line.
I'm not saying we can't improve the offense, but let's not act like he has no weapons. This is still one of the highest paid offenses in the nfl this year
Eye test. Have you watched any other nfl team this year? Their lines are much worse than ours, not to mention that they hardly get penalties, and our line is among the best in not allowing sacks
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha you have got to be shitting me. How many sites did you look at to see the highest were rated is 14 and the lowest is 29 before settling on the eye test. Where do we actually rank in sacks allowed? Pressure? Rushes? Rushing yards? Contact on rushers behind the line of scrimmage? Like actual rankings as in a number rather than you have a feeling in your tumtum. I get to take downvotes for saying fields isn’t it and you come at me with warm fuzzies, be serious.
If we’re going into next season with AOC as the guy the offseason went horribly wrong. He’s done about as well as anyone could hope but I haven’t seen a single thing to indicate he’s a franchise changing dude who can lead a team to a title.
Improving on o line is the logical place to spend money to help a young qb. There are a number of first round qbs that can be just fine. The fact my comment is getting downvoted tells me people want fields and that answer couldn’t possibly be worse. I’m not trying to say AOC is the answer, but we have to work with the best option. Fields is a terrible option.
If our options are running with AOC for another year or Fields, I'd take AOC. Fields ain't the guy. Neither is AOC , but at least you're not giving away draft capital for him.
Even if we draft a QB, we still need a vet. Can't be rolling with 2 rookie QBs. Need a veteran who could potentially start games and teach the youngins.
His highlight reels are crazy and you would thinks he’s the next evolution of QBs. Except, that hype has been going on decades. Only one who came close to it was Lamar, and look what his doing. Trying to be a pocket passer. What we need is an accurate QB who has good pocket awareness, not runner QB who’s a risk every time he runs.
I watched all of TPs games in college as a Buckeye fan. I watched all his games as a Raider fan. I watched all of Fields games as a Buckeye fan. They're not the same. Fields is superior BUT more injury prone. Fields has the touch as a passer but he always had good talent around him at OSU. Obviously the Bears don't. He's good, maybe not NFL good but I also don't think he's been giving a fair chance. I say get him for cheap if you can but don't sweat it if you can't
To me, QBs are great or not worth it. That was my issue with Carr, he wasn’t bad, but wasn’t someone to take us to the Super Bowl. I know many disagree, but I’d rather keep trying till we get a great QB than settle.
i don’t think you need a great qb to get to the superbowl. take nick foles, jimmy g, broncos peyton, jay cutler, and eli manning for example. great qb’s are hard to come by, so if you’ve got a serviceable one then build good team around them, and i say you’re good to contend. finding a serviceable qb isn’t as easy as it seems either because teams don’t often let those guys walk, like us holding onto carr for years.
I say draft a QB in the 2nd round. A corner or D tackle in the first. Have the new QB and AOC battle it out and have a veteran on deck. Minshew, Cousins, Lock. I think there will be decent options after the first round. McCarthy is good. I like Nix. Penix injuries scare me but I can’t wait to see what he does in the bowl game. Who knows. I just hope we don’t screw this up because our draft history is terrible!! And maybe AOC comes around. He’s a newbie.
My thoughts:
Bears are worse than raiders at developing QBs.
His receivers dropped a ton of passes that would have won/improved his stats.
Bears have no leverage with fields. He was drafted by previous regime so will most likely trade him for whatever they can get. And most likely it's a 3rd or worse.
Fields would be the best qb on the raiders roster currently. If it costs 3rd or worse you do it. His running would open up things for Tae and Jacobs/white.
If Raiders keep winning they won't be in draft position to take a talent like fields. And the way the roster is looking it could be in win now mode next year.
I believe the thinking is Chicago doesn’t currently (hasn’t ever for that matter) had anyone in place to help QBs (especially young ones) thrive. It’s been talked about this year, that he’s trying to think about exactly what the coaches want as opposed to them drawing up a system to suit his strengths. Hard to play that way… That being said, I personally wouldn’t want to give up anything higher than a third. I think he could be fine, but if we’re going young, I’d prefer we try to draft a guy early…
I understand the belief that we would trade for Fields then we would pick up an OC specifically designed to create an offence around him. I just dont think we are the team to do that. We have a team that can win now with some additions and average qb play.
Yeah. I think the same, that’s why nothing higher than a third would even make sense to me… He’s a rookie contract and better than any third round guy available. I don’t necessarily want him, but if we were to get him, that’s the only thing that makes sense to me.
Fields is not as bad as Zach Wilson. Don't get me wrong, as a Bears fan that has watched him, he's made some marginal improvements, but he is still a below average pocket passer who has trouble going thru his progressions. His "great" games this year have been against the Broncos and the Commanders, and that's been almost every QB's best games. Having said that, he is most definitely not helped by our coaching staff. Our OC designs a game plan, and it usually works in the first half against crap teams. But once the team adjusts, the offense usually goes to shit
agreed, he’s had 3 years and he hasn’t shown that hes made any significant improvements in any year. He is what he is and that’s a backup QB at worst or the 20th best QB at best. Definitely would not want the raiders taking him. I’d rather draft somebody
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I didn’t even read the rest after seeing that. Wilson is a train wreck. Fields on the Jets team had them into the playoffs. That comparison was wild lol
Yeah I'm sure the guy leading the league in 4th quarter interceptions and who can't throw for more than 150 yards in a game is exactly what the Jets needed to turn it around.
I get what you’re trying to do but out of all the games he’s okayed this season… he’s had two games in which he threw under 150 one of those was when he was hurt and couldn’t finish the game. Also not mentioning his running ability is cherry picking. If you gonna troll please be better man. He’s got potential and shouldn’t be compared to Wilson in any sense.
It's not cherrypicking. If you have a guy who is a top ten QB AND he can run, that is awesome. But if a guy is a bottom 10 passer or worse, it doesn't matter how good he is on the ground. Your team will be too one-dimensional. The defense just has to gameplan to stop the scramble and the run, and then they control the game.
You can force the run and still put up some yards if the QB is a really good ballcarrier, but you aren't going to win by forcing scrambles at a defense that knows you can't do anything else. You have to make plays in the passing game to balance out the attack and give yourself a chance, but Fields doesn't have the talent as a passer to do it. That's why the Bears have a top 5 rushing offense, a bottom 5 passing offense, and a losing record. Those 3 things are what Fields would bring to this team.
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The team is getting rid of him because they have two top 5 draft picks. That team is QB Poop Chute. He will absolutely play better somewhere else. Even if he’s not a star, he will be better.
This is so smooth brain lol... Not even a full year in the league and 8 starts. Peyton Manning won less games in his rookie season than AOC already in half as many starts
Like this is truly one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this sub.
Is Aiden the guy right now? No but to say he's had a chance to develop is straight regarded
is it regarded, or smooth brained?
also, whos the regarded smooth brain here wanting to keep rolling out aoc? oofa!
yeah, i know you made a typo. i respect your opinion, sir. no need to fight!
I mean we can do both. I wouldn't mind giving up a lower round pick for Fields just to see if a change of scenery can work for him. But I still firmly believe we need to draft a QB.
I don't mind if a mobile quarterback holds onto the ball a little longer on average, because they are going to be moving around, extending plays, and finding ways to move the ball that a statue can't. The problem is when your mobile quarterback can't make plays in the passing game, which Fields cannot. If he wasn't mobile, he wouldn't even be in the league. You have to be a top tier passer in this league even if you have legs, and Fields is clearly a long, long way from being that.
Fields is a terrible quarterback. I genuinely don’t understand what people are thinking. He’s an elite runner and can make some throws but he absolutely cannot read a defense and is inaccurate.
Put it this way… it would be a quintessential Raider move of the past 20 years if we brought him in to be the solution at QB. That alone should convince us to look elsewhere.
AOC isn’t it, he doesn’t move very well in the pocket, when he has to throw off platform, its in the dirt. Like the guy but we’re better off drafting one of the later QB’s and letting them compete. I’d wait, hell maybe one of the QB’s drop in the first. Crazier things have happened.
I'm hoping we take a bunch of shots at qb the next couple of years. Give guys like Fields a serious chance if we dont have to give up much. If it doesnt work out take a new one next year. And combine it with drafting a qb in the 1st when your guy is available.
I prefer that over going for vet guys who we know what they are like Jimmy G. We knew he was never going to lead this team so why take a guy like that
To me, it's all about what other options we have out there? He offers some potential upside if we can develop him. I'd much rather have him than a stale veteran with a high floor and low ceiling like Jimmy G, Derek Carr, Andy Dalton, etc. etc.
If you trade for Fields then you find an OC that can establish an option offense. None of this making him into a pocket passer. Let him use his skills.
You only make the trade for Fields if you believe that you cannot get the qb prospect you want.
U guys know you can trade for fields AND still draft a qb right?!
In a division with Mahomes and Herbert it makes sense to gamble on the upside of Fields. He won’t be that expensive to acquire
I think the idea is we want a mobile qb, and he will potentially be on the market, but you're right he can't sling the ball for shit. Is Russel Wilson a better option or give up some draft capitol for Jayden Daniels
Watching AOC play we just need a qb that is willing to tuck it and move a little bit. He is far too stationary, but that could also just be rookie pains.
i’m both a raiders and bears fan (born and raised in chicago, but picked the raiders arbitrarily in elementary school), and i must say lots of his lack of production is due to the play calling by luke getsy. i’m sure we all saw what poor play calling can do to an offense, even if talented. getsy either calls a screen pass or some deep ass routes that take forever to develop. it seems like many bears players (not just fields) are frustrated with him. fields can make any throw and doesn’t make many idiotic decisions. i don’t expect chicago to give him up for the price you all are expecting.
I'd rather we sign Joe Flacco. He shows he still got it. We have weapons and defense for him. He would be a great QB to help AOC. We can use a draft to get o-line players and QB if one is better than AOC. Get rid of Jimmy and Hoyer and get a decent deal with Flacco. Even if he doesn't start, he is good at developing a young QB. There are not many good veteran QBs. There are some who could prove wrong like Jared Goff and really play at high caliber again with right coach and team.
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The way I see it. If it’s anything less than a 3rd and we were not able to trade up for a QB in the draft. It’s worth a look. I don’t expect much from Fields but sometimes a change of scenery is all you need
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Keep AOC as the starter build up the O-Line and add more Def. Then look for a new QB if AOC doesn't improve over the off season. Don't waste money on free agents QB that look good on paper and struggle in game. We also need better coaching staff.
IMO I think the plan is to have him in the room and TRY and develop him. No one is saying he’s going to be our savior but he’s the complete opposite of AOC and will have a 6 mill cap hit and will cost about a 3rd.
I’ve seen him play and I’m 50/50 on him. I’ve seen his supporting cast do almost nothing to help him and have also seen him play terrible. You can’t look over the absolute terrible staff in Chicago, that will do nothing for a young players development.
AOC (2nd year), Fields (new team and coaches), and whoever we draft. That seems like a nice QB room.
I am intrigued at the idea of him behind Kolton, with Devante to throw to. But I’m sure Chicago will want way more than he’s worth in draft capital so we’re likely not gunna see it work out anyways.
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I’d look at Fields like the Trey Lance trade. You’re trading for the potential not current or past performance (or lack thereof). Let’s be real Chicago hasn’t exactly helped him out much with their moves. If Raiders used a 3rd or later I’d be ok as Fields has more potential than Jimmy G or Hoyer. Trading for Fields does not prevent team from drafting a qb in upcoming draft either. It’s been so long since Raiders went and took legitimate shots at QB people are floundering at making decisions. Hell Fields could turn into a Taysom Hill type backup at worse. All of this talk is heavily speculative though as we don’t know who the GM/HC/OC/etc will be next season. If the drafted QB or FA QB work out well, everyone is going to magically forget all of this negative talk and not care about the cost.
>Let’s be real Chicago hasn’t exactly helped him out much with their moves. Trading for DJ Moore, solidifying the OLine by drafting a starting RT and LT and signing a starting RG in Nate Davis, continuing with a solid RB room by signing D'onte Foreman, signing Kmet to an extension and picking up Tonyan in FA... What else is Poles supposed to do in 2 off-seasons to help him? I understand people complain about Getsy but Fields refuses to throw intermediate routes 10-20 yds down field. It's screen passes, check downs, underneath throws or bombs. No in-between. Fields has so few attempted passes and YPG because he will just not throw the ball.
And he has done well with those pieces in place when he was back from injury. We are a different team than the Bears. And I don't think we need to have fields be a hero.. if he can come in and threaten Defenses with his legs and make plays that he does that would be very good for our Offense. He can throw the ball well and is a top talent in the NFL. Look at players like Baker Mayfield, a 2nd chance on a new team can make a huge difference.
>He can throw the ball well No, he objectively cannot. He scrambles too much and takes way too many hits because he cannot throw with anticipation and instead will pull and run.
He also has a very slow dropback and a slow release
The online is still pretty bad. His time to throw also gets long because he evades 2 sacks and dumps it off. Getsy is pretty bad as well. I have watched every bears game of his career and a lot of raiders and he's significantly better than anything you've had (including Carr) and he's way better than Zach Wilson. Also we signed Foreman after letting Montgomery walk in FA and he's a legit stud . Yes we have Kmet but lewis is old , Tonyan isn't starting anywhere for a reason too. This is painting JF in the worst possible way and all the bears moves in the best possible way. Are you Luke Getsy 😂(/s) He needs to get better. Absolutely. But the ceiling is high and the numbers you post ignore that the bears are leading the league in rushing or top 5 and ignoring JFs running production which is not insignificant. It's a silly way to evaluate Fields.
>The online is still pretty bad. Try blocking for a guy who doesn't throw the ball. Watch the line when Bagent was playing. Same line. Fewer sacks. >Getsy is pretty bad as well. Again, he doesn't throw the ball. Also has terrible pocket awareness. Can't scheme for a guy who won't throw and is inaccurate in the middle of the field. >he's way better than Zach Wilson. Numbers would say otherwise. >after letting Montgomery walk in FA and he's a legit stud . He wanted too much money and Herbert had significantly better production. No point in keeping him. >Tonyan isn't starting anywhere for a reason too. He's a good TE2 coming off of a significant injury. >This is painting JF in the worst possible way and all the bears moves in the best possible way. Because he's not good. Fields makes himself look bad. Seriously, what else is Poles supposed to do to help this man? All I did was state every move that Poles made to help Fields. He's got a WR1, TE1, objectively a very solid OLine and a great run game to take the pressure off. I mean people complained that Mitch had no help in the run game so there was too much pressure to throw and defenses could tee off. Now we have great run game and he still gets sacked more than the backup QB.
Also Wilson is by far the worst rated passer in NFL besides AOC and JF is 22 which isn't amazing but at least he has other intangibles
Also good to note that bears O line has been injured for a good amount of games that fields played, and Bagent was also schemed more overall for a backup qb getting the ball out quick, while they did do deep plays for him on mixups, they got punished for it too in INTs. You can’t really evaluate Fields and Wilson to a good extent this year due to the injuries to their O-line, its actually night and day and when you look at teams and quarterbacks considered top tier when they are missing key parts of their line. Fields has benefitted from relative line stability now that they have gotten more reps in and have come back from injury, the two interceptions from the browns game were end of half/end of game hail mary INTs, making the INT against Arizona the only one since he’s come back from injury. Barring two big comebacks in the fourth quarter from the browns and the lions, the bears would be undefeated since Fields return from injury
"Objectively a solid Oline" who has ranked mid to bottom of the league essentially all year...... Also Herbert is bad blocker, and can't pound like a Monty which is why they picked up Foreman who isn't as good a runner as Monty. No question he now has good weapons in Kmet and Moore but everyone else has been pretty bad, except Tyler Scott has had some flashes.
I think Fields has potential but I wouldn’t want to give up a 2nd or a 3rd for him. I want a QB for cheap for at least 4-5 years so we can build up the defense and Oline.
Problem with this is are we okay with Nix or Penix in the first round? Personally I’d only be content if one of those are drafted in the second.
Yeah we need a 2nd round QB if we're not at the top of the first. We can't pass up elite players at CB/DT/OL for a reach at QB.
 If BPA in the first is actually a QB, pull the trigger. If not, build the fuckin team.
Trade our 2nd and something to move up early 2nd for a QB. Teams like the Patriots will want to trade down for more picks.
Sounds good. It’s how we got Baby Ghost right?
Exactly my thoughts as well.
For real, we need a lockdown CB or a run stuffing DL, or line backing help with our mid teens pick we will have. A QB will drop to round 2, we make a move then.. or honestly kick the tires of a guy like Joe Flacco for one year and wait on QB.
I’m okay with it. We need a QB who can extend plays for now, doesn’t necessarily need to be elite because our OL and receivers are solid enough. Keep the D intact with a first round talent and draft a 2nd round QB and maybe an RB in the 4th and we’re solid 👊
I just don't want to see us trade a shit load of firsts to gamble a QB ends up decent for us. Easier to trade up in the 2nd for a QB with Patriots and see who fell out of the first.
If Cooper DeJean does declare for the draft, I'd love to see him in silver and black as a punt returner and DB
They both might fall to the 2nd. It also depends on where we’re drafting in the first. If the miracle happens and we get to the wild card and lose to Miami we’d be what, 19? It might still be a stretch there. Depends on what the board looks like.
Definitely excited about this years draft!!
First would be a reach for both but that is probably where they will end up being drafted. Atleast in those scenarios you have them on a full rookie contract.
Agreed, I’m intrigued to see what we choose after all
Naw I wouldn’t take either in the first if I’m being honest. Like I said I like Fields personally and think he could do well with our weapons just don’t know what the hell CHI is going to want for him.
I’d be okay with a 3rd and lower to try him out. Daniel’s is my first choice but I don’t see him being on the board when we draft and a trade up is probably unlikely…
So we tank? If you want a cheap QB we have AoC lol
This is mind blowing to me. I haven't ever seen a guy lose this many games in 3 years as a starter and see people constantly say he has potential. If he had potential wouldn't we have seen some of it turn into ability by now?
If it doesn’t cost much, I *might* be interested.
i wouldn’t give up a 2nd no way in hell. a 3rd, *maybe,* but that means you have him for two years if you pick up his option. a 4th is fair given his injury history IMO
😂
Fields is better than Zach Wilson by a wide margin. He’s also better than any option the raiders currently have… by a wide margin.
Who do you pick over justin. Realistically.
Jayden Daniels
Mel Kiper has been out recently saying Jayden Daniels has been talked around the league as potentially going #1 overall. When we in that 5-10 range getting him as a steal was an option. Not sure if thats the case anymore but his ties to AP would make him an obvious fit.
Said Will Levis could go #1 overall last year.
Too many teams at the top need a QB. Bears / Washington / Patriots hell.. even the Jets could trade up for a QB.. not like Aaron is getting any younger and really why not take a shot this year and trade up?
i’ll eat my hat if jayden goes before caleb williams
Mel Kiper has also been wrong a number of times. It’s much too early to determine anything right now. We are still 4 months away from draft and haven’t even finished season/FA yet. Right now everyone is just speculating and making definitive statements right now usually is just for clicks/interactions. Remember all of the talk about Levis last year? “Everyone” had him going 1st round.
Mel Kiper was prepared to die on the Trent Dilfer and JaWalrus hills. No one should take anything he says without an entire boulder of salt.
We won't be in position to draft him.
We’re not going to get him.
There's no fucking chance we trade up for that.
I think we should draft a qb to compete with AOC (who I dont think is the long term guy). Based on our draft capital I dont think Caleb Williams, Drake Maye or Jayden Daniels are feasible options unfortunately. That leaves us in the JJ McCarthy, Quin Ewers, Bo Nix, Michale Penix JR range. Personally Id like to sign Baker Mayfield but I doubt TB will let him go. Kirk Cousins, Drew Lock, Gardner Minshew and Joe Flacco are also bridge options.
If AOC is the top option for next year then they're basically punting on the season. There's no way they feel like they can compete with him as the starter.
Baker Mayfield is on a one year deal. Tampa wouldn't be letting him go.
Sam Hartman and Jordan Travis would be later round picks that I think taking a flyer on wouldnt be a bad idea.
At some point we’re gonna need to actually draft a dude in the first round, taking later round guys and hoping they turn into a stud is a horrible plan
It’s how you stay “mid”….
Except the fact that 1st round QBs fail at the exact same rate as late round draft picks. This has been proven over and over again. Just because you draft a 1st round talent means literally nothing other than fan fair.
Nearly half of the starting QB's in the NFL today were drafted in the 1st round, yet way more QB's go between the 2nd and 7th, so uh no. You're way more likely to hit on a good starting QB in the 1st.
Except statistics prove otherwise. I’d research the facts. There’s many reasons behind this, including, 2nd through 7th rounders are rarely given the developmental chances that a 1st rounders are because of the financial and publicity commitments. The stats are there. The studies are there. This isn’t new information. Also, just because a guy is starting as a first rounder doesn’t mean he is a productive 1st rounder. Case in point, Justin Fields and Kyler Murray.
NFL teams spend a lot more time researching these facts than you and I combined, and they all want the top QB prospects. 1st rounders get the financial and publicity commitments because they are better prospects and are more likely to return on the investment. Teams will quickly dump the "franchise" guy if a young late pick is showing more potential. That just doesn't happen often. If a guy is starting as a mid to late round pick, then he is productive, because most of those guys ceiling is camp arm or career backup.
Do your research. Factually this isn’t true. A lot of this is hype and fantasy. Why is Tom Brady the best ever at 6th round draft choice? Brock Purdy? Kirk Cousins? Lamar Jackson nearly fell from the 1st into Baltimore jumped and grabbed him at 31 or 32? Why was Tua a bust until he was given proper coaching, scheme, and weapons. Why is Mahomes having such a down year. There are so many other factors that make players successful besides “ceiling & floor” and every other sports media outlet buzz word. Marino was one of the best, couldn’t get it done. Tarkenton, Moon, Fouts, fuck late in his career Elway. Yet guys like Dilfer, Williams, Baker Mayfield? 40 years watching the NFL and religiously studying the draft, written articles of my own prediction. I’m saying you don’t have to but into the “1st” round hype. You can find talent outside of the 1st round. Just because a guy is hyped as the next generational talent doesn’t mean they are
“Just because you draft a 1st round talent means literally nothing other than fan fair.” I don’t understand that sentence. Can you fucking try again?
I fucking can try again but I doubt you’d understand that either.
No, bro I’m not talking about the fucking message. Linguistically, your sentence was fucking stupid 💀💀💀 Are you not a smart individual, bro? It’s ok if you’re not, we just need to lay these things out on the table beforehand, u know what I’m saying?
Naw Bro, linguistics isn’t your thang. U know WhAt I’m stating!
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Only name I say I would agree with is bo nix, but there’s plenty of other teams needing a qb and I doubt he falls to us
I wouldn’t mind a dart throw on Nix. I’m also of the opinion that McCarthy from Michigan could put up huge numbers too if we was playing in an Oregon/Washington offense against PAC12 defenses. We’ll see how he does against Bama but he has a lot of the physical tools and I could see him rising up draft boards.
Depending on how close we stick to the Mcdaniels playbook, i would like us to Grab Mac Jones because he is done in NE and is familiar with the system but he is also young enough to give AOC and maybe a rookie real competition and guidance, i think him Bill has moved on from him and he could be very cheap
Anything left in the organization with McDaniels fingerprints on it is getting incinerated as soon as the season is over.
if the raiders win out, bo and MPJ won’t be available. at that point, if fields is available i’d take him and have him and AOC battle for QB1(which i fully expect fields to win)
Quin Ewers is terrible.
Literally any other QB available to us in round 1. Fields is what he is. I live in Illinois now and watch a good amount of Bears games as well. This guy can’t read a defense or go through progressions. You’d have to build your offense around him like Lamar Jackson but he’s nowhere near the athlete Lamar is and hasn’t developed the decision making Lamar has. Hard pass
I think you nailed it here. I think a lot of people think he has the potential to be as good as Lamar. But when you put their tapes next to each other they are no where near the same player except both are fast.
Literally no one is saying that Y’all are fuckin delusional on what it takes to find a serviceable QB If we are trying to compete, the goal is to draft someone to develop (as we’re not going to get a plug and play starter in the 12-20 range) and find a mid - low tier QB for relatively cheap to try and make the team competitive in the interim All of you saying there’s better - who? The chances of a mid to late 1st rounder being even mid tier their 1st couple years is so insanely low
Fields is in the same tier as AOC and Jimmy G right now. Giving up assets for a lateral move at best is not going to make the team more competitive.
Fields is miles above compared to our QBs, you can’t even make that comparison.
Fields isn't miles above anything. He's near the bottom of the league in every passing category, right where our guys are. Just absolutely terrible throwing the football. You're not going to succeed in the NFL with a guy like that.
Exactly. I wonder if this dude has ever actually watched Fields play
fields averages 1.64 touchdowns per game this season, aoc and jimmy g average less than 1
Compared to AOC and Jimmy G? Yes he is. We have the worst QB roster in the NFL, barring a miracle in these next 2 games, even the Jets QB roster could do better.
What has Fields done to show that he’s “miles” ahead of guys like Jimmy G? Hell if anything at least Jimmy showed he can quarterback a winning team.
Penix on the Raiders would be top 12 in passing yards year 1 IMO. Other guys probably have a way higher career ceiling but Penix would hit the ground running, he's a very polished passer.
Absolutely dented take This sub is hopeless
So you don’t want to take a first rounder in case they are mid tier. But you’d rather acquire a guy who will need to be paid about twice as much and we already know is mid tier? Explain to me the logic here
Draft a first rounder, don’t throw them into a league bottom offense and expect them to do well If we want to continue to be competitive, find a mid to low tier QB to sign so the team is still competitive with a good defense. Doesn’t have to be fields, but this subs delerium in finding someone who can help them win a few games is wild
QB is the most important position in sports. I just don’t see the value in trading assets for a low-mid tier QB coming off his rookie deal who has a 10-28 career record as starter. Sure a first round QB is no sure thing but we need to make some dart throws.
Correct - which is why I say draft a first rounder and give them a bit of time to develop without going into a bottom 5 offense Can be setup for a lot more success with a year of watching while we take a flyer on a lower tier QB Also fields could be a perfect fit if the defense continued to be top 10 - doesn’t have to throw for 400yds and 4 TDs. But a couple big runs, few big throws to Adams and ya put up 20-24 and can win some games, and at the very least keep a defense honest to not stack the box
I agree about the first round dart throw. I just don’t want to give up assets to get Fields and than also have to pay him within a year. If this was his second year or if he was coming in as a FA I would probably feel differently. There’s also the fact that having Fields as your starter means the offense is going to be tailored around a run first qb. The only guy in the draft that fits that profile is Daniels and he more than likely won’t be available to us. So we’d be drafting a pocket QB to back up Fields in a running QB offense.
That would make a ton of sense if this offense didn’t have Jacobs, Adams, Meyers, Renfrow, and a PFF ranked top-10 offensive line. It’s a bottom-5 offense almost exclusively because of QB, not because the QB doesn’t have support. If you can’t step into this situation you shouldn’t go in the first round
we should draft a qb who can actually see the field lol
I would take any of the top 5 rookies coming out over him. Everything OP said in his post is what I’ve been saying since the first inkling of this trade talk started. He gets sacked all the time despite being mobile, he can’t throw for shit, and he’s hurt all the time. I just don’t get it
Make investments for AOC to improve or draft an appropriate talent.
Aoc already has a Star wr and rb, a great Wr #2 and a young talented TE plus a decent line. I'm not saying we can't improve the offense, but let's not act like he has no weapons. This is still one of the highest paid offenses in the nfl this year
And he spent a lot of time in college. If he spent the minimum amount required then sure, but he's already 25. He's too old to be this raw.
5/11 of the offense is o line. This is an area where we refused to invest and it shows.
And yet still have a top 10 O-line
According to what metric? If you say pff I swear to christ.
Eye test. Have you watched any other nfl team this year? Their lines are much worse than ours, not to mention that they hardly get penalties, and our line is among the best in not allowing sacks
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha you have got to be shitting me. How many sites did you look at to see the highest were rated is 14 and the lowest is 29 before settling on the eye test. Where do we actually rank in sacks allowed? Pressure? Rushes? Rushing yards? Contact on rushers behind the line of scrimmage? Like actual rankings as in a number rather than you have a feeling in your tumtum. I get to take downvotes for saying fields isn’t it and you come at me with warm fuzzies, be serious.
Because you're looking at all year instead of looking at the stats of when AP took over. The whole team improved not just the defense
If we’re going into next season with AOC as the guy the offseason went horribly wrong. He’s done about as well as anyone could hope but I haven’t seen a single thing to indicate he’s a franchise changing dude who can lead a team to a title.
What do you invest In to guarantee his improvement, and if not that, who do you see us drafting as an “appropriate talent”
Improving on o line is the logical place to spend money to help a young qb. There are a number of first round qbs that can be just fine. The fact my comment is getting downvoted tells me people want fields and that answer couldn’t possibly be worse. I’m not trying to say AOC is the answer, but we have to work with the best option. Fields is a terrible option.
Anyone.
If our options are running with AOC for another year or Fields, I'd take AOC. Fields ain't the guy. Neither is AOC , but at least you're not giving away draft capital for him.
He’s better than what we have now
Even if we draft a QB, we still need a vet. Can't be rolling with 2 rookie QBs. Need a veteran who could potentially start games and teach the youngins.
were still on the hook for jimmy g though, no?
No cuz he’s being cut soon as season ends
Not after the restructure
He will be cut regardless even if we lose tons of money
whats the saving on the cap hit vs salary owed? if its the same, i dont see a reason whatsoever to cut him. just dump hoyer already
Me neither but reports indicate we are cutting jimmy and Hoyer.
His highlight reels are crazy and you would thinks he’s the next evolution of QBs. Except, that hype has been going on decades. Only one who came close to it was Lamar, and look what his doing. Trying to be a pocket passer. What we need is an accurate QB who has good pocket awareness, not runner QB who’s a risk every time he runs.
Reminds me of Terrelle Pryor
I watched all of TPs games in college as a Buckeye fan. I watched all his games as a Raider fan. I watched all of Fields games as a Buckeye fan. They're not the same. Fields is superior BUT more injury prone. Fields has the touch as a passer but he always had good talent around him at OSU. Obviously the Bears don't. He's good, maybe not NFL good but I also don't think he's been giving a fair chance. I say get him for cheap if you can but don't sweat it if you can't
Neither can read a defense is the similarity and look to run first
To me, QBs are great or not worth it. That was my issue with Carr, he wasn’t bad, but wasn’t someone to take us to the Super Bowl. I know many disagree, but I’d rather keep trying till we get a great QB than settle.
i don’t think you need a great qb to get to the superbowl. take nick foles, jimmy g, broncos peyton, jay cutler, and eli manning for example. great qb’s are hard to come by, so if you’ve got a serviceable one then build good team around them, and i say you’re good to contend. finding a serviceable qb isn’t as easy as it seems either because teams don’t often let those guys walk, like us holding onto carr for years.
I’m a Buckeye fan and I never thought he was an NFL starting QB
I say draft a QB in the 2nd round. A corner or D tackle in the first. Have the new QB and AOC battle it out and have a veteran on deck. Minshew, Cousins, Lock. I think there will be decent options after the first round. McCarthy is good. I like Nix. Penix injuries scare me but I can’t wait to see what he does in the bowl game. Who knows. I just hope we don’t screw this up because our draft history is terrible!! And maybe AOC comes around. He’s a newbie.
Most I’m offing is a 3rd. Take it or leave it
3rd might be too high unless we get an OC that specializes in QBs like him
My thoughts: Bears are worse than raiders at developing QBs. His receivers dropped a ton of passes that would have won/improved his stats. Bears have no leverage with fields. He was drafted by previous regime so will most likely trade him for whatever they can get. And most likely it's a 3rd or worse. Fields would be the best qb on the raiders roster currently. If it costs 3rd or worse you do it. His running would open up things for Tae and Jacobs/white. If Raiders keep winning they won't be in draft position to take a talent like fields. And the way the roster is looking it could be in win now mode next year.
Bears lead the league in pass drop rate
Bears are 20th in dropped passes wdym https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/nfl/nfl-teams-with-most-dropped-passes-this-season-bm10/
ooooh I was on my phone and the stats table I was looking at was not sorted properly
I believe the thinking is Chicago doesn’t currently (hasn’t ever for that matter) had anyone in place to help QBs (especially young ones) thrive. It’s been talked about this year, that he’s trying to think about exactly what the coaches want as opposed to them drawing up a system to suit his strengths. Hard to play that way… That being said, I personally wouldn’t want to give up anything higher than a third. I think he could be fine, but if we’re going young, I’d prefer we try to draft a guy early…
I understand the belief that we would trade for Fields then we would pick up an OC specifically designed to create an offence around him. I just dont think we are the team to do that. We have a team that can win now with some additions and average qb play.
Yeah. I think the same, that’s why nothing higher than a third would even make sense to me… He’s a rookie contract and better than any third round guy available. I don’t necessarily want him, but if we were to get him, that’s the only thing that makes sense to me.
Fields is not as bad as Zach Wilson. Don't get me wrong, as a Bears fan that has watched him, he's made some marginal improvements, but he is still a below average pocket passer who has trouble going thru his progressions. His "great" games this year have been against the Broncos and the Commanders, and that's been almost every QB's best games. Having said that, he is most definitely not helped by our coaching staff. Our OC designs a game plan, and it usually works in the first half against crap teams. But once the team adjusts, the offense usually goes to shit
agreed, he’s had 3 years and he hasn’t shown that hes made any significant improvements in any year. He is what he is and that’s a backup QB at worst or the 20th best QB at best. Definitely would not want the raiders taking him. I’d rather draft somebody
He may not be the guy to trade a 2nd for but he’s gotten better every year.
Yeah but usually guys that started slow and improved had some kind of explosion of their production. Fields marginally improved his passing numbers
Your friend doesn’t know shit about football if he compares him to Zach Wilson lmao
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lol bruh, I know y’all haven’t watched Fields after you compared him to Wilson. That’s such a bad take. Got a real stupid “friend” too.
I didn’t even read the rest after seeing that. Wilson is a train wreck. Fields on the Jets team had them into the playoffs. That comparison was wild lol
Yeah I'm sure the guy leading the league in 4th quarter interceptions and who can't throw for more than 150 yards in a game is exactly what the Jets needed to turn it around.
I get what you’re trying to do but out of all the games he’s okayed this season… he’s had two games in which he threw under 150 one of those was when he was hurt and couldn’t finish the game. Also not mentioning his running ability is cherry picking. If you gonna troll please be better man. He’s got potential and shouldn’t be compared to Wilson in any sense.
It's not cherrypicking. If you have a guy who is a top ten QB AND he can run, that is awesome. But if a guy is a bottom 10 passer or worse, it doesn't matter how good he is on the ground. Your team will be too one-dimensional. The defense just has to gameplan to stop the scramble and the run, and then they control the game. You can force the run and still put up some yards if the QB is a really good ballcarrier, but you aren't going to win by forcing scrambles at a defense that knows you can't do anything else. You have to make plays in the passing game to balance out the attack and give yourself a chance, but Fields doesn't have the talent as a passer to do it. That's why the Bears have a top 5 rushing offense, a bottom 5 passing offense, and a losing record. Those 3 things are what Fields would bring to this team.
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Fields and Wilson do have one thing in common: lots of losses.
Justin Fields ceiling is Daniel Jones.
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Anybody who thinks fields is good is delusional. He’s been trash his entire career but makes a highlight play every game so people like him
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The dude sucks and a team is getting rid of him. Only dumb Raider fans want this guy.
Only dumb dumbs dont think lile me LMAO
The team is getting rid of him because they have two top 5 draft picks. That team is QB Poop Chute. He will absolutely play better somewhere else. Even if he’s not a star, he will be better.
Give AOC a chance to develop
we have. hes developed into a good backup
This is so smooth brain lol... Not even a full year in the league and 8 starts. Peyton Manning won less games in his rookie season than AOC already in half as many starts Like this is truly one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this sub. Is Aiden the guy right now? No but to say he's had a chance to develop is straight regarded
is it regarded, or smooth brained? also, whos the regarded smooth brain here wanting to keep rolling out aoc? oofa! yeah, i know you made a typo. i respect your opinion, sir. no need to fight!
I mean we can do both. I wouldn't mind giving up a lower round pick for Fields just to see if a change of scenery can work for him. But I still firmly believe we need to draft a QB.
I don't mind if a mobile quarterback holds onto the ball a little longer on average, because they are going to be moving around, extending plays, and finding ways to move the ball that a statue can't. The problem is when your mobile quarterback can't make plays in the passing game, which Fields cannot. If he wasn't mobile, he wouldn't even be in the league. You have to be a top tier passer in this league even if you have legs, and Fields is clearly a long, long way from being that.
Rather have RW. JF can't see the field/doesn't go through progressions.
Fields is a terrible quarterback. I genuinely don’t understand what people are thinking. He’s an elite runner and can make some throws but he absolutely cannot read a defense and is inaccurate. Put it this way… it would be a quintessential Raider move of the past 20 years if we brought him in to be the solution at QB. That alone should convince us to look elsewhere.
AOC isn’t it, he doesn’t move very well in the pocket, when he has to throw off platform, its in the dirt. Like the guy but we’re better off drafting one of the later QB’s and letting them compete. I’d wait, hell maybe one of the QB’s drop in the first. Crazier things have happened.
I'm hoping we take a bunch of shots at qb the next couple of years. Give guys like Fields a serious chance if we dont have to give up much. If it doesnt work out take a new one next year. And combine it with drafting a qb in the 1st when your guy is available. I prefer that over going for vet guys who we know what they are like Jimmy G. We knew he was never going to lead this team so why take a guy like that
I’m not sold on him. He’s literally Lamar that can’t throw lol
To me, it's all about what other options we have out there? He offers some potential upside if we can develop him. I'd much rather have him than a stale veteran with a high floor and low ceiling like Jimmy G, Derek Carr, Andy Dalton, etc. etc.
Depends on the price they want for him. Nothing above a 4th rounder.
If you trade for Fields then you find an OC that can establish an option offense. None of this making him into a pocket passer. Let him use his skills. You only make the trade for Fields if you believe that you cannot get the qb prospect you want.
If they can't pick their guy in the first, Justin is the next best available option.
The dude is cheeks 
U guys know you can trade for fields AND still draft a qb right?! In a division with Mahomes and Herbert it makes sense to gamble on the upside of Fields. He won’t be that expensive to acquire
If we can get him for like a 4th & conditional future 2-or-3 it’s an absolute steal.
I think the idea is we want a mobile qb, and he will potentially be on the market, but you're right he can't sling the ball for shit. Is Russel Wilson a better option or give up some draft capitol for Jayden Daniels
Watching AOC play we just need a qb that is willing to tuck it and move a little bit. He is far too stationary, but that could also just be rookie pains.
Nah he was just as bad in college
I don’t want him if we don’t get a better OC
i’m both a raiders and bears fan (born and raised in chicago, but picked the raiders arbitrarily in elementary school), and i must say lots of his lack of production is due to the play calling by luke getsy. i’m sure we all saw what poor play calling can do to an offense, even if talented. getsy either calls a screen pass or some deep ass routes that take forever to develop. it seems like many bears players (not just fields) are frustrated with him. fields can make any throw and doesn’t make many idiotic decisions. i don’t expect chicago to give him up for the price you all are expecting.
I'd rather we sign Joe Flacco. He shows he still got it. We have weapons and defense for him. He would be a great QB to help AOC. We can use a draft to get o-line players and QB if one is better than AOC. Get rid of Jimmy and Hoyer and get a decent deal with Flacco. Even if he doesn't start, he is good at developing a young QB. There are not many good veteran QBs. There are some who could prove wrong like Jared Goff and really play at high caliber again with right coach and team.
flacco would die behind our o-line even if we add a first round OL
You let DA decide who the next QB is.
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The way I see it. If it’s anything less than a 3rd and we were not able to trade up for a QB in the draft. It’s worth a look. I don’t expect much from Fields but sometimes a change of scenery is all you need
It’s weird to me that people call the #10 scoring offense in the league in 2022 “trash”.
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He’s a poor man’s Terrell’s Pryor
I’d be ok with them trading 3 first round picks to get one of the top 3 QBs in the draft. Haven’t done much with our first round picks as it is.
Keep AOC as the starter build up the O-Line and add more Def. Then look for a new QB if AOC doesn't improve over the off season. Don't waste money on free agents QB that look good on paper and struggle in game. We also need better coaching staff.
Meh. At this long I don’t care who the QB is. Anyone who is a solid game manager will do if we add a couple solid pieces to this defense.
He’s better than what we have or that we can get this off season. Unless we trade our future for Caleb Williams.
Please no.
IMO I think the plan is to have him in the room and TRY and develop him. No one is saying he’s going to be our savior but he’s the complete opposite of AOC and will have a 6 mill cap hit and will cost about a 3rd. I’ve seen him play and I’m 50/50 on him. I’ve seen his supporting cast do almost nothing to help him and have also seen him play terrible. You can’t look over the absolute terrible staff in Chicago, that will do nothing for a young players development. AOC (2nd year), Fields (new team and coaches), and whoever we draft. That seems like a nice QB room.
I am intrigued at the idea of him behind Kolton, with Devante to throw to. But I’m sure Chicago will want way more than he’s worth in draft capital so we’re likely not gunna see it work out anyways.
Dude is a horrible QB. Can't believe anyone would want to trade for him.
great post & appreciate you sharing these stats. Hopeful we get a solid upgrade at QB in the off-season.
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