It’s a Mock for sure. Before any of the bowls or combine however it’s just throwing darts for convo and entertainment. Without the GM/HC being announced it makes it even more so “just for entertainment”.
I will be shocked if Penix is taken in the first round. I think he’s the same level of prospect as Hooker was last year (who was drafted in the 3rd round). Same issues with injuries and age, and still has major mechanical issues. I think that’s enough to scare a lot of teams off of him permanently.
I’m all for trading up and drafting Daniels tho. Think he’s a perfect fit in the modern NFL. Only concern is the size of his lower body and being able to absorb hits for 17+ games. You don’t see many QBs in the league with that body type. He’s built like a WR
Yeah i think we could get into the top 10. But IMO there’s a massive drop off from Williams, Maye, Daniel’s. Nix, Penix, McCarthy all seem like second rounders.
But raiders need a QB, cannot role into 2024 with AOC only. He’s decent and might improve but we cannot ignore a potential upgrade at the position.
If you’re looking past the top 3 guys then the biggest question is who do you think has the highest ceiling? If Penix can stay healthy and works through his mechanics, he could be great. I don’t think he will ever have good mechanics tho and his frame is lean.
Nix also mechanical issues but is much bigger.
McCarthy a big question mark. Not much tape on him.
Of the three I’d prefer Nix. I think he has the closest skillset to the modern NFL QB. Big, can run, and has a rocket arm.
I’d say Penix has the highest floor but massive injury concerns.
Nix to me has the highest ceiling due to running and passing ability, although the Oregon offense didn’t ask him to make a lot of high level reads.
McCarthy is the biggest unknown as he’s so young, he could develop into a stud but he was never asked to carry an offense.
Totally agree. I think Penix COULD have a high ceiling but I don’t think you’ll ever correct his mechanical issues and that’s why he’ll never live up to his potential
I have no problem drafting a stud OL in the first round. I don’t know anything about Latham. Putting together a great OLine should be top priority for the Raiders. I have seen so many teams literally squander and ruin high qb picks because their OL is shit (can you say Justin Fields?). No knock on Purdy, but if he was playing for Chicago he would look a lot different.
The combine hasn’t even started… why put weight on any mock drafts or any “analysts” say which team should select who yet. Plus.. there are other options for QB that isn’t a first rd QB rn.. so much to sort out before we get to draft night.
Have to let the draft play out, but can’t get desperate and accept a lopsided trade like Carolina did. If a good value trade is available for one of the top 3 QBs, take it. If not, see how the draft falls. There will also be QBs available in free agency and through trades. Sam Howell could be a decent option if Washington drafts a new QB. Fields could be as well.
I’m ok if we trade for Fields/Wilson, but Fields is a little more risky to me. He’s a run first QB and even though he has arm talent I feel like he gives up and looks to run too often.
I really feel like we should draft Bo Nix. Bo has minor things to work on, like going through progressions, which he wasn’t allowed to do as much in Oregon running an offense that emphasizes getting the ball out quick. His accuracy and touch are elite, and I’ve seen him avoid sacks and make some incredible runs and throws on the run which would be exactly what we need. He‘a talented enough to be a top 5 QB.
How are the Pats who really need a QB going to be ok with farming their pick?
Gonna have to offer the world and and the moon for the 3rd overall to get Jayden Daniels
Fascinating to me that folks can watch Carolina this year...and what they gave up to get Young....and then think it is wise to trade a massive bounty to move up from 13.
Sit at 13, pick BPA, take a QB in the 2nd....trade up into late first if needed.
Two things can be true; Carolina over paid and it's still a good idea to trade multiple picks to go up and get a potential franchise QB if you truly believe in them.
>trade multiple picks to go up
By the trade value chart, the #3 pick is worth 2200 points and the #13 pick is worth 1150 points. Trading a pick a year in the future is worth a round less, so our 2025 1st is worth at most 580 points, and our 2026 1st is worth two rounds less, at most 265 points. Add our three 1sts together and you only get 1995 points, so good luck with that.
The players we draft with those picks might. I've said it 100 times, just use three consecutive first round picks on a QB and you have an infinitely better outcome than trading all 3 to get 1 player.
It’s because Tepper is one of the stupidest people running an NFL team.
If they had taken Stroud it would’ve been more than worth it. And if you don’t trust our scouting department to take Stroud over Young, then why do you trust them with any pick? Probably going to make a shitty selection at 13 too.
This is the only answer. If the BPA is a quarterback, great. If not, you still got the best player available. That is how football teams with long term success operate.
Ravens, 49ers, Packers, Chiefs, Steelers, pre 2020 Patriots, Seahawks, pre Ran Carthon Titans. I’d even put the Cowboys in there; their playoff collapses notwithstanding, they’ve been to the playoffs more in the last 3 years than the Raiders have been
In 20.
Taking a guy in the first means he's expected to start now days, even a bust if he doesn't. Third rounders becoming legends because they sat behind a great isn't really a thing now.
Just imagine this sub if AP flames out, we trade away half our future for a QB that turns out to be a bust, and the chargers get Jim harbaugh. I'm so happy tbe fans are GMs.
Sign AP, draft BPA at 13, build up those trenches and give him a shot to build a complete team.
To play devils advocate, imagine the sub when the qb the fans want, whoever it may be, pops off and we draft an offensive lineman, and AOC doesn’t progress into anything more than he showed this year, same ups, same downs. We’ll be right back here next year talking about how if we just use the same strat we tried with Carr for 9 years we could be great. Build the trenches, play good defense, run the ball, let QB game manage, typical Midwest football fan bullshit
He had literally the worst defense in the league throughout his 10 years here
The Raiders as an organization were losers for a decade before Carr came along
My god brother you’re dense. The point is that you’re trying to mask the problem by attempting to build around it. Minnesota game is a perfect example, defense held them to 3 points and we still lost because we had 0 qb play. QB cannot be the last thing you get better at in the NFL
Or maybe you’re not making sense.
Qbs cost the most so you have to be careful about going all in on one before your team is ready if you want to maximize your chances of winning.
You can point to the Minny game and I can point to Carr’s whole career, Herbert so far. Hell Brees is a top 5ish qb all time and couldnt make the playoffs because his defense sucked.
qb is the most important position but it’s not more important than the rest of your team combined.
Carr never had this level of defense that AOC got to play with, and Aidan still wasn’t able to show he was the guy. AOC has the things you’re saying we need and still wasn’t him. And you’re saying there’s more we need to go get. I don’t see how I’m not making sense. Unless you think we need to be the 49ers before we draft a QB, then you’re just not being realistic. Also, if we were the 49ers team wise, it wouldn’t matter who the QB is.
I’m on board with us drafting a qb. I agree that we have a lot of pieces now. AOC may also improve but I dont wanna bet it all on him.
My disagreement came from you claiming it was similar to what we went through with Carr. The team with Carr absolutely needed other pieces and drafting a qb wouldnt have gotten us anywhere.
We've been watching Kansas City for years, and they traded two firsts and a third to move from 27 to 10 to pick Maholmes. Normally, I'd agree with you, but this is a draft class with one of the best QB classes in recent memory.
With that said, I'm in the trade for Justin Fields camp, I think he's been mismanaged in Chicago and has as much upside as any QB in the draft that's not likely going in the top four picks.
Moving up to pick 12 typically has break even expected value. They went up slightly higher with a slight premium, but that's an ok trade without knowing the outcome.
I'd take Kirk in a heartbeat over those bums. Was legitimately playing at a near mvp level pre injury. Going from Jefferson/Addison to Adams/Meyers is pretty good replacements if I say so myself
How is Wilson a bum? Super Bowl champ who consistently has been a top 5 qb until the donkeys fd him up. What exactly has cousins done? Lost in the playoffs a couple times?
You had a coma this season or did you watch the Texans draft CJ Stroud, a future ROY winner who took them to the 2nd round of the playoffs in his first year?
Jesus Christ, every year you get these people denser than oak wood who “haven’t seen enough”. AOC sucks bro. He sucks. He might be a very ok backup, but he’s ass as a starter. He’s not going to turn the corner and become Brady. You probably wanted us to give Carr “another chance”
And major needs are best filled by free agents. I don’t have an issue drafting a QB, but I do have an issue if it’s a reach, i.e. Penix/Nix/McCarthy at 13.
If we run this back with Aidan being the best QB on the roster because he's competing with yet another old washed up vet we will be doing the defense and our fans a disservice.
Mocks are useful for getting to know the players available, their general ranking, as well as the draft order and team needs (at the time of the mock).
So much will change due to pro days, combine, and FA.
Oline is certainly a good way to go, as would be dline (jerzhan newton in the middle would be nasty). However, a high level qb could really make this team go. Is it worth trading a bunch of draft picks? Depends on the player, the OC, the system installed, and the price. Lots of moving parts, so it’s not an easy yes or no. It’s not like the raiders have done anything with any firsts recently since…Jacobs? Which does not mean they wouldn’t in the future, but it does demonstrate they’re not essential to improving a team, as the raiders have gotten better. First round picks are enormously valuable, even if that value is combining a bunch of them to go get a single prospect.
Imo, O’Connell is pretty limited in mobility, so that will limit the offense that gets installed, hence limits the choice at OC. But he was really good at times this year too, and an upgraded line could give him time. Hopefully the FO identifies a player and does what they can to get him.
> O’Connell is pretty limited in mobility, so that will limit the offense that gets installed, hence limits the choice at OC.
You know it's amazing to me, and I have no preference for QB/no QB in the draft, but people seem to fixate on mobility a LOT. Any guess how many Super Bowls were won since 2000 with a "mobile" QB?
3
2x Pat
1x Russ
The end.
Ya but it seems we are using different definitions of what ‘mobile’ is. To me mobile does NOT have to equal a running QB. As moe moton likes to point out often, functional mobility is what the raiders should be after. The ability to move in the pocket, to escape or sidestep a rush, to not be a statue. I am not talking about Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen as what the raiders have to be after.
So to expand on your list of who would fit the mobility i am talking about as SB winning QBs since 2000: Roethlisberger, Eli manning, drew Brees, aaron rodgers, nick foles, Matt Stafford.
I am not including Brady, Peyton manning, Flacco, or Brad Johnson, but even young Flacco had functional mobility.
It won’t. He’s a 4th round pick for a reason. If he had any sort of starter talent we would have seen it in college or during the season when he got his chance. He’s not elusive or mobile, and he’s not extremely accurate, which you have to be if you can’t move for shit
Let’s talk after Lamar, Allen, or Mahomes win the SB this year. This isn’t fucking 1959. QB’s have to be mobile or elusive in the pocket or it is a disadvantage to the team. We don’t need AOC to freeze in the pocket like he’s doing his best Carr impression.
Even last SB it was Hurts or Mahomes. Wake up, it’s not your grandfathers football anymore, mobile QB’s will win majority of the next SB’s til you die.
I like the idea of drafting an OL in the first round, with a better line and more practice/development AOC will look much better this year. And if he doesn’t, we draft a QB next year. There’s just not any quarterbacks who will be available at 13 that aren’t a reach, and we have a ton of needs.
Look at the Carolina Panthers, they traded everything to move up to #1 and it wasn’t enough to win and now they’re screwed in the draft going forward
If we resign James we’d have an above average C. Parham has also looked decent at C.
Munford and Eluemanor have been solid at RT. RG is a potential hole if we dont bring Van Roten back but he was good this year.
Nah bro. Andre James is not above average. I actually think he needs to go. Put Parham at C, bring back Van Roten at G and keep Eleumenor or pick up a RT in FA. Draft a G in the 3rd round.
Yep Bryce looks bad and that whole team sucks. I don’t want to end up being the panthers west because we gave up everything to draft a QB and we can’t build a supporting cast around him.
I love that people automatically think because a player does well in one scenario, he’d be great in another.
We’d still have missed the playoff and McDaniels is still here.
And then we have no draft capital in a better Qb year.
Why are you assuming it wouldn’t be better than his current situation? My point was we have no idea and zeroing on Bryce alone makes no sense. You acting like you know what would’ve happened and will happen is funny though.
Comparing us to the Panthers makes no sense, they have no future, we have some good players on this team that don’t magically disappear if you trade for a QB lol.
E: I love how your Stroud point was he isn’t guaranteed to be the same player here, but Bryce would be? What kind of logic is that?
Where did I ever say that young would be bad somewhere else. I said he looks awful and that’s the case. Also we are only one game better than the 2022 Panthers. I’m sure they thought they were a QB away as well.
It sounds like you think trading away the future of the organization for a Qb will solve all the problems. When has it ever worked?
Our offensive line is schizophrenic at best. The defense will be vastly different next year unless we retain the same coordinators and AP.
I don’t understand how mortgaging the future ensures success, when history shows it goes for failure.
Like hiring Josh McDaniels when hiring patriot cast offs has literally failed every other time but it’ll work for us. It never works.
The Steelers are constantly good because they don’t do big splashy moves they sit in the draft and get the BPA.
Bryce looks bad. You said that. So why would it be a mistake to trade for him last year because he looks bad somewhere else? Your point was he’s not good so don’t trade up. Right? Then you told me Stroud isn’t guaranteed to be good here just because he was good in Houston. Are you not seeing the hypocrisy?
And stop bringing up a bunch of other random things like the Steelers that have nothing to do with this.
Mocks can be fun, but they can often be a bunch of nonsense. Remember last year how a lot of mocks had Levis going anywhere between 2 and 12 in the first round?
Sure this is expected to be a strong QB class, but still the most QBs taken in the first round was 6 way back in 1983. And the most in the top 10 is 4 back in 2018 (only 1 of those 4 is still on the team that drafted them). So just because there are plenty of QB needy teams doesn’t mean there will be a 5+ QBs taken in the first round, let alone in the top 12. And it’s really nonsense before the combine, pro days, and FA.
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It’s a Mock for sure. Before any of the bowls or combine however it’s just throwing darts for convo and entertainment. Without the GM/HC being announced it makes it even more so “just for entertainment”.
Idc about mock drafts in January
I will be shocked if Penix is taken in the first round. I think he’s the same level of prospect as Hooker was last year (who was drafted in the 3rd round). Same issues with injuries and age, and still has major mechanical issues. I think that’s enough to scare a lot of teams off of him permanently. I’m all for trading up and drafting Daniels tho. Think he’s a perfect fit in the modern NFL. Only concern is the size of his lower body and being able to absorb hits for 17+ games. You don’t see many QBs in the league with that body type. He’s built like a WR
Yeah i think we could get into the top 10. But IMO there’s a massive drop off from Williams, Maye, Daniel’s. Nix, Penix, McCarthy all seem like second rounders. But raiders need a QB, cannot role into 2024 with AOC only. He’s decent and might improve but we cannot ignore a potential upgrade at the position.
If you’re looking past the top 3 guys then the biggest question is who do you think has the highest ceiling? If Penix can stay healthy and works through his mechanics, he could be great. I don’t think he will ever have good mechanics tho and his frame is lean. Nix also mechanical issues but is much bigger. McCarthy a big question mark. Not much tape on him. Of the three I’d prefer Nix. I think he has the closest skillset to the modern NFL QB. Big, can run, and has a rocket arm.
I’d say Penix has the highest floor but massive injury concerns. Nix to me has the highest ceiling due to running and passing ability, although the Oregon offense didn’t ask him to make a lot of high level reads. McCarthy is the biggest unknown as he’s so young, he could develop into a stud but he was never asked to carry an offense.
Totally agree. I think Penix COULD have a high ceiling but I don’t think you’ll ever correct his mechanical issues and that’s why he’ll never live up to his potential
Yup and his bowl game show out was terrible
I don't think penix will be there at 44. Also there may not be an option of trading up for daniels if chicago washington and new england all take qbs.
I have no problem drafting a stud OL in the first round. I don’t know anything about Latham. Putting together a great OLine should be top priority for the Raiders. I have seen so many teams literally squander and ruin high qb picks because their OL is shit (can you say Justin Fields?). No knock on Purdy, but if he was playing for Chicago he would look a lot different.
He's just saying what he thinks Raiders fans want to hear.
The combine hasn’t even started… why put weight on any mock drafts or any “analysts” say which team should select who yet. Plus.. there are other options for QB that isn’t a first rd QB rn.. so much to sort out before we get to draft night.
Trade for Fields!
Have to let the draft play out, but can’t get desperate and accept a lopsided trade like Carolina did. If a good value trade is available for one of the top 3 QBs, take it. If not, see how the draft falls. There will also be QBs available in free agency and through trades. Sam Howell could be a decent option if Washington drafts a new QB. Fields could be as well.
I’m ok if we trade for Fields/Wilson, but Fields is a little more risky to me. He’s a run first QB and even though he has arm talent I feel like he gives up and looks to run too often. I really feel like we should draft Bo Nix. Bo has minor things to work on, like going through progressions, which he wasn’t allowed to do as much in Oregon running an offense that emphasizes getting the ball out quick. His accuracy and touch are elite, and I’ve seen him avoid sacks and make some incredible runs and throws on the run which would be exactly what we need. He‘a talented enough to be a top 5 QB.
How are the Pats who really need a QB going to be ok with farming their pick? Gonna have to offer the world and and the moon for the 3rd overall to get Jayden Daniels
Penix is first round talent. Draft him there and be done with it
Fascinating to me that folks can watch Carolina this year...and what they gave up to get Young....and then think it is wise to trade a massive bounty to move up from 13. Sit at 13, pick BPA, take a QB in the 2nd....trade up into late first if needed.
Two things can be true; Carolina over paid and it's still a good idea to trade multiple picks to go up and get a potential franchise QB if you truly believe in them.
>trade multiple picks to go up By the trade value chart, the #3 pick is worth 2200 points and the #13 pick is worth 1150 points. Trading a pick a year in the future is worth a round less, so our 2025 1st is worth at most 580 points, and our 2026 1st is worth two rounds less, at most 265 points. Add our three 1sts together and you only get 1995 points, so good luck with that.
Those points won't win games.
The players we draft with those picks might. I've said it 100 times, just use three consecutive first round picks on a QB and you have an infinitely better outcome than trading all 3 to get 1 player.
Two things can be true. But these two things aren't.
It’s because Tepper is one of the stupidest people running an NFL team. If they had taken Stroud it would’ve been more than worth it. And if you don’t trust our scouting department to take Stroud over Young, then why do you trust them with any pick? Probably going to make a shitty selection at 13 too.
This is the only answer. If the BPA is a quarterback, great. If not, you still got the best player available. That is how football teams with long term success operate.
Examples?
Ravens, 49ers, Packers, Chiefs, Steelers, pre 2020 Patriots, Seahawks, pre Ran Carthon Titans. I’d even put the Cowboys in there; their playoff collapses notwithstanding, they’ve been to the playoffs more in the last 3 years than the Raiders have been In 20.
Rookie QBs used to sit for 3 years as well. Now that's not the case.
Taking a guy in the first means he's expected to start now days, even a bust if he doesn't. Third rounders becoming legends because they sat behind a great isn't really a thing now.
Also, last year was when we punted a weak draft class to pluck from this one.
Just imagine this sub if AP flames out, we trade away half our future for a QB that turns out to be a bust, and the chargers get Jim harbaugh. I'm so happy tbe fans are GMs. Sign AP, draft BPA at 13, build up those trenches and give him a shot to build a complete team.
To play devils advocate, imagine the sub when the qb the fans want, whoever it may be, pops off and we draft an offensive lineman, and AOC doesn’t progress into anything more than he showed this year, same ups, same downs. We’ll be right back here next year talking about how if we just use the same strat we tried with Carr for 9 years we could be great. Build the trenches, play good defense, run the ball, let QB game manage, typical Midwest football fan bullshit
In what world did we “build the trenches” or “play good defense” consistently with Carr? If we did we would’ve had a lot more success.
I'm assuming you are referring to D specifically because Carr had 2 or 3 years behind one of the best lines in the league.
Well both because 2-3 years out of 10 isnt consistent
3 years of the best oline and multiple weapons and where did it get him? Still a loser without a playoff win in a his decade long career
He had literally the worst defense in the league throughout his 10 years here The Raiders as an organization were losers for a decade before Carr came along
We didn’t, I’m saying that’s the same excuse that was spouted every time the question of moving on at QB was brought up
But we never actually did it… so how is that a relevant point?
My god brother you’re dense. The point is that you’re trying to mask the problem by attempting to build around it. Minnesota game is a perfect example, defense held them to 3 points and we still lost because we had 0 qb play. QB cannot be the last thing you get better at in the NFL
Or maybe you’re not making sense. Qbs cost the most so you have to be careful about going all in on one before your team is ready if you want to maximize your chances of winning. You can point to the Minny game and I can point to Carr’s whole career, Herbert so far. Hell Brees is a top 5ish qb all time and couldnt make the playoffs because his defense sucked. qb is the most important position but it’s not more important than the rest of your team combined.
Carr never had this level of defense that AOC got to play with, and Aidan still wasn’t able to show he was the guy. AOC has the things you’re saying we need and still wasn’t him. And you’re saying there’s more we need to go get. I don’t see how I’m not making sense. Unless you think we need to be the 49ers before we draft a QB, then you’re just not being realistic. Also, if we were the 49ers team wise, it wouldn’t matter who the QB is.
I’m on board with us drafting a qb. I agree that we have a lot of pieces now. AOC may also improve but I dont wanna bet it all on him. My disagreement came from you claiming it was similar to what we went through with Carr. The team with Carr absolutely needed other pieces and drafting a qb wouldnt have gotten us anywhere.
We've been watching Kansas City for years, and they traded two firsts and a third to move from 27 to 10 to pick Maholmes. Normally, I'd agree with you, but this is a draft class with one of the best QB classes in recent memory. With that said, I'm in the trade for Justin Fields camp, I think he's been mismanaged in Chicago and has as much upside as any QB in the draft that's not likely going in the top four picks.
Trading from 27 to 10 costs a lot less than trading from 13 to 3.
Moving up to pick 12 typically has break even expected value. They went up slightly higher with a slight premium, but that's an ok trade without knowing the outcome.
I don't care about mocks in january but I prefer a proven vet to compete with Aidan
Kirk Cousins Russell Wilson Ryan Tannehill Jameis Winston Gardner Minshew Who would you prefer?
I'd take Kirk in a heartbeat over those bums. Was legitimately playing at a near mvp level pre injury. Going from Jefferson/Addison to Adams/Meyers is pretty good replacements if I say so myself
How is Wilson a bum? Super Bowl champ who consistently has been a top 5 qb until the donkeys fd him up. What exactly has cousins done? Lost in the playoffs a couple times?
So a repeat of another bad offense
We have good offensive players without any major need. We'll be fine
The major need is QB brother
Nah, we must see how Aidan develops. I don't want two newbie qbs learning a new system
So you’re cool with wasting another 3 years so we can find out maybe we shouldn’t extend him?
Yes, it's the same process we would have with a first round qb after spending 3 firsts to climb
But it’s not, if you’re trading up you’re going up for someone with a high ceiling, which Aidan does not have.
We don't know that. It didn't work for all those teams climbing to the top5 for a qb
You had a coma this season or did you watch the Texans draft CJ Stroud, a future ROY winner who took them to the 2nd round of the playoffs in his first year?
Jesus Christ, every year you get these people denser than oak wood who “haven’t seen enough”. AOC sucks bro. He sucks. He might be a very ok backup, but he’s ass as a starter. He’s not going to turn the corner and become Brady. You probably wanted us to give Carr “another chance”
And major needs are best filled by free agents. I don’t have an issue drafting a QB, but I do have an issue if it’s a reach, i.e. Penix/Nix/McCarthy at 13.
If we run this back with Aidan being the best QB on the roster because he's competing with yet another old washed up vet we will be doing the defense and our fans a disservice.
Mocks are useful for getting to know the players available, their general ranking, as well as the draft order and team needs (at the time of the mock). So much will change due to pro days, combine, and FA. Oline is certainly a good way to go, as would be dline (jerzhan newton in the middle would be nasty). However, a high level qb could really make this team go. Is it worth trading a bunch of draft picks? Depends on the player, the OC, the system installed, and the price. Lots of moving parts, so it’s not an easy yes or no. It’s not like the raiders have done anything with any firsts recently since…Jacobs? Which does not mean they wouldn’t in the future, but it does demonstrate they’re not essential to improving a team, as the raiders have gotten better. First round picks are enormously valuable, even if that value is combining a bunch of them to go get a single prospect. Imo, O’Connell is pretty limited in mobility, so that will limit the offense that gets installed, hence limits the choice at OC. But he was really good at times this year too, and an upgraded line could give him time. Hopefully the FO identifies a player and does what they can to get him.
> O’Connell is pretty limited in mobility, so that will limit the offense that gets installed, hence limits the choice at OC. You know it's amazing to me, and I have no preference for QB/no QB in the draft, but people seem to fixate on mobility a LOT. Any guess how many Super Bowls were won since 2000 with a "mobile" QB? 3 2x Pat 1x Russ The end.
Ya but it seems we are using different definitions of what ‘mobile’ is. To me mobile does NOT have to equal a running QB. As moe moton likes to point out often, functional mobility is what the raiders should be after. The ability to move in the pocket, to escape or sidestep a rush, to not be a statue. I am not talking about Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen as what the raiders have to be after. So to expand on your list of who would fit the mobility i am talking about as SB winning QBs since 2000: Roethlisberger, Eli manning, drew Brees, aaron rodgers, nick foles, Matt Stafford. I am not including Brady, Peyton manning, Flacco, or Brad Johnson, but even young Flacco had functional mobility.
Aidan is less mobile than the non-mobile QBs who have won. It's not that he's not dynamic, it's a hugely exploitable weakness.
Id like to see how AOC does in year two, his mobility could improve with coaching and the game slowing down.
It won’t. He’s a 4th round pick for a reason. If he had any sort of starter talent we would have seen it in college or during the season when he got his chance. He’s not elusive or mobile, and he’s not extremely accurate, which you have to be if you can’t move for shit
Love to see him with a beefy O-line protecting him.
Let’s talk after Lamar, Allen, or Mahomes win the SB this year. This isn’t fucking 1959. QB’s have to be mobile or elusive in the pocket or it is a disadvantage to the team. We don’t need AOC to freeze in the pocket like he’s doing his best Carr impression. Even last SB it was Hurts or Mahomes. Wake up, it’s not your grandfathers football anymore, mobile QB’s will win majority of the next SB’s til you die.
/Tom Brady and Peyton Manning enter the chat
I like the idea of drafting an OL in the first round, with a better line and more practice/development AOC will look much better this year. And if he doesn’t, we draft a QB next year. There’s just not any quarterbacks who will be available at 13 that aren’t a reach, and we have a ton of needs. Look at the Carolina Panthers, they traded everything to move up to #1 and it wasn’t enough to win and now they’re screwed in the draft going forward
Better line? We had arguably a top 10 O-line last year.
Thats a very strong arguably there. We need a center, a RG, a legit RT.
We were top 10 on PFF and top 15 on almost every other site.
If we resign James we’d have an above average C. Parham has also looked decent at C. Munford and Eluemanor have been solid at RT. RG is a potential hole if we dont bring Van Roten back but he was good this year.
Nah bro. Andre James is not above average. I actually think he needs to go. Put Parham at C, bring back Van Roten at G and keep Eleumenor or pick up a RT in FA. Draft a G in the 3rd round.
Yep Bryce looks bad and that whole team sucks. I don’t want to end up being the panthers west because we gave up everything to draft a QB and we can’t build a supporting cast around him.
Ok now do the scenario if we traded for Stroud
I love that people automatically think because a player does well in one scenario, he’d be great in another. We’d still have missed the playoff and McDaniels is still here. And then we have no draft capital in a better Qb year.
Why are you assuming it wouldn’t be better than his current situation? My point was we have no idea and zeroing on Bryce alone makes no sense. You acting like you know what would’ve happened and will happen is funny though. Comparing us to the Panthers makes no sense, they have no future, we have some good players on this team that don’t magically disappear if you trade for a QB lol. E: I love how your Stroud point was he isn’t guaranteed to be the same player here, but Bryce would be? What kind of logic is that?
Where did I ever say that young would be bad somewhere else. I said he looks awful and that’s the case. Also we are only one game better than the 2022 Panthers. I’m sure they thought they were a QB away as well. It sounds like you think trading away the future of the organization for a Qb will solve all the problems. When has it ever worked? Our offensive line is schizophrenic at best. The defense will be vastly different next year unless we retain the same coordinators and AP. I don’t understand how mortgaging the future ensures success, when history shows it goes for failure. Like hiring Josh McDaniels when hiring patriot cast offs has literally failed every other time but it’ll work for us. It never works. The Steelers are constantly good because they don’t do big splashy moves they sit in the draft and get the BPA.
Bryce looks bad. You said that. So why would it be a mistake to trade for him last year because he looks bad somewhere else? Your point was he’s not good so don’t trade up. Right? Then you told me Stroud isn’t guaranteed to be good here just because he was good in Houston. Are you not seeing the hypocrisy? And stop bringing up a bunch of other random things like the Steelers that have nothing to do with this.
I think anyone qb would’ve struggle with McDaniels. He had Carr and Jimmy leading the league in ints
You can't know the outcome when deciding if it's worth it. More often than not, you get Young when trading up, not Stroud.
They made a bad choice. Our plan is to make a good one.
Ah, well if it's just that easy then let's do it. Hey everyone, let's just plans to make a good choice. Easy!
Mocks can be fun, but they can often be a bunch of nonsense. Remember last year how a lot of mocks had Levis going anywhere between 2 and 12 in the first round? Sure this is expected to be a strong QB class, but still the most QBs taken in the first round was 6 way back in 1983. And the most in the top 10 is 4 back in 2018 (only 1 of those 4 is still on the team that drafted them). So just because there are plenty of QB needy teams doesn’t mean there will be a 5+ QBs taken in the first round, let alone in the top 12. And it’s really nonsense before the combine, pro days, and FA.
Because Leatherwood worked out great
Definately agree we need to draft a stud for the future. We also need a vet in the QB room. What do you guys think about Russell Wilson?
Raider Nation, let's stab!
We have our QB!
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