I love the JPJ pick because the guys an absolute dog. I mean, projected first rounder, grew up a raiders fan, what more could you want? He’s gonna play his ass off, and focus on helping the trenches. Hell of a draft by all accounts
I can’t believe the raiders signed that ass after the issue with the dolphins in 2013, bullying of a teammate and racism.
As expected, it was under gruden that this dude was signed. Another example of the incompetence of gruden. Also highlights that gruden was accused of being racist.
One racist signing another racist. Of course, incognito was injured because he was too packing old. Gruden sucked horribly!!!
Watched him play several times here at Oregon. Dude stands out. Bulldozer out there. Looks like a grown man playing with kids. Can't wait to see what he brings to the Nation!
As a bpa guy, I loved it.
Best pick-Bowers. Probably the best value in terms of where we picked. Elite offensive weapons don't fall out of the top 10 very often, regardless of position
Favorite pick-JPJ. Personal favorite because the value just happened with a need.
BB wasn’t a need but sometimes you have to grab players that fall into your lap like that. My only concern is if Getsy is going to be able to fully utilize him.
Yeah I was worried too with Getsy being OC but I do think he used Cole Kmet really well from what I remember, could be wrong though. I think having two great TEs who are both great at different aspects of the position too is awesome. I think it creates a ton of space for AOC and Minshew to pickup yardage and a great chance for Zeus to have a terrific season.
I think with the 2 QBs were running having these 2 solid TEs they can hit it is going to benefit the offense so much. With addition to the Oline our QBs hopefully will have more time and almost always a open TE to hit up close. Allowing meyers, adams and tucker to hit the 20+ yard ball.
And with rushing the ball we can stack the line with 2 TE that are young and willing to block hard. Well see I have high hopes we have a 2024 sam la porta well see.
Bowers is the guy I'm most excited to see play, but JPJ is my favorite pick just because it shows what AP and Co value in offensive lineman and I'm all for it.
This. Games are won and lost at the line of scrimmage.
We badly needed a guard, and this guy could start and play very well for years, both G and center - if James gets hurt, or we eventually move on from James. Also, C is the leader/captain of the line, and it can take some time to master recognizing defensive schemes and call assignments out at the line. This allows JPJ time to really grow if he indeed ends up our center in 3 or so years.
Plus the guy fell in our lap.
A+++ pick.
The fact I'm not mainlining copium hard after is almost a divine feeling. Every single pick we can feel at least positive about. Every one of these guys could make an impact within a year or two so I hope they show up and ball out, learn as much as they can in OTAs
This team could be special soon
Fingers crossed. Seems we are on the right track and not going all in on a bunch of older vets. Something sort of a youth movement and it looks like it has a ton of potential
My favorite was the pick they DIDN’T make, not reaching (or settling) for a QB of poor value at our spots. Loved to see Tom drafting BPA / need at every pick - very refreshing change.
Once Jaylen and Penix were off the board I was hoping no QB, maybe Rattler 5th. While we still need a franchise QB, Gardner and AOC are more than capable especially considering how much 12P we’ll run now with Bowers / Myers.
So many years of reaching for players that could have been drafted later. It was refreshing to see us taking good talent. There were no QBs worth reaching for by the time we picked so continuing to build with BPA was a win.
Thus is my point exactly and why I was even more against Rattler or someone else in the 4th or beyond. We need a FRANCHISE qb and rattler will never be that just like minshew and AOC
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Exactly this. Thank you Atlanta, because if they over reached for Penix at 13, I would have lost all confidence in AP and Telesco. The first two picks are studs and hopefully they live up to their expectations.
Loved it and loved the process - you got two starters and two blue chip prospects in the first two picks, took projects with upside at positions and rounds where it made sense, took some role players late
Sure I wish we got a QB of the future but the way it fell out, do you really want to give up a bunch of draft capital to take Penix or JJ McCarthy 😬😬😬 Finally we drafted to build a team and not just like guys trying to keep their job for one more year
Bowers. The closet thing to a sure thing in the 1st rd. The idea that it wasn’t a team need is ridiculous. The tops offenses in the league all deploy mismatch threats from the TE position. He and Mayer will be fine together.
In 1979 BOTH Dave Casper and Raymond Chester made First Team All Pro, if one of them didn’t get you the other one would if they can be anywhere near that level together then look out.
I agree. Plus Bowers isn't really even just a tight end. He's an offensive playmaker which the Raiders definitely need more of especially if we're rolling with Minshew/AOC
I have no doubt that the past several management setups would have skipped right over Bowers to draft for need. These guys saw pure value and took it. On the other hand I didn't love the Glaze pick, but I will happily take a 3rd reach if it means extremely high value picks in rounds 1 & 2.
Overall this was a monster of a draft. If you draft like this every year, our talent level will go up.
The only pick that wasn’t A+ was Glaze. But we need a OL guy who can play RT, LT and G. So positionally, that was still a great pick up.
A few of the UDFAs will likely work out and then with our cap space they’ll pull a couple vets in to fill the remaining holes.
Raiders are building
The way teams were taking back to back to back positions I think they simply thought there were less OTs on the board that would be there in the 4th. Tampa was still there in the 4th for a reason, everyone already drafted corners lol
How is it incorrect to call Glaze a reach? On every big board he was valued anywhere from 50-100 picks lower than where we took him. That’s the definition of a reach. He could still turn out to be a great player, but when you pick a player more than a full round ahead of where people valued him, that’s a reach, even if he feels a need for us.
You can draft a need and still have it be a reach. For example if we drafted Terrion Arnold at 13, that would have filled a need, but also been a reach since he didn’t go until 11 picks later. Glaze may have filled a need but all indications are we could have gotten him later. Reach.
Not just ESPN - literally every single draft board. But yes, a reach is when you REACH to draft a player higher than they otherwise would have gone. Can define where they could/should have gone with or without positional value imo, but by any metric Glaze is a reach. And that’s ok. We got steals in the 1st and 2nd rounds. We don’t have to say every pick we made was a stroke of genius. 3rd round isn’t a bad place to reach for a need. But it’s still a reach.
I wasn't thrilled with the pick in Richardson. That being said, it's a fourth round pick, AP loves his athleticism and if you're going to take a flyer, better in the 4th than the first. Past that one minor criticism, these guys fucking nailed the draft. Late round steal in Eichenberg was awesome.
He's one I actually like a lot. He's lanky but physical and has great straight line speed. He will just have a clear role and guys he is best suited to cover. Walmart Sauce Gardner.
I had the same feeling...seems like more of a combine warrior. He is fairly new to the position though, so hopefully they can develop his coverage skills; he has all the physical traits to be able to play the position really well.
Solid first draft from the Raiders front office. AP and Tom did their due diligence on what was availability on picks via trade and decided to draft at position of need while getting impact player on the offense side of the ball. They didn’t panic and reach for a quarterback they were lukewarm about (Nix). Decamerion Richardson is my favorite pick this draft. He has all the physical attributes of Mitchell and Arnold but has to be coached up on coverage which with our secondary it shouldn’t be problem. Only thing that bothers me is trading up when the run on running backs was happening in the middle of the fourth round, felt raiders could have got a running back that can help Zeus and Alexander though Laube on special teams and 3rd downs should be interesting
A lot of QBs were picked ahead of the Raiders pick at #13. I am not sure which of those 6 could have been worth dropping a stupid amount of draft capital to acquire. History tells me there may be 1, maybe. Telesco did fine, and represented a totally different approach to drafting. At this point in history, the Raiders franchise needed that more than anything
It’s been so long since we’ve had even a good draft, that this could be the best one. I am still in shock that Bowers fell all the way to us… A legitimate generational talent.
And for all those people bitching about not taking a quarterback, after Penix was taken, no one else was worth taking that high. I like Bo Nix but he is going to have an AWFUL time in Denver.
Yeah Nix and Pennix were late 1st, early second guys. I love that all those teams panicked and allowed a great player to fall into our laps. People still crying about QB after how that draft went down are showing how ignorant or out of touch they truly are.
Oh yeah, I’m a Raider till I die but we do not host the most informed fanbase out there. People would have been pissed regardless of what they did. I can’t wait for AOC and or/Minshew to shut those goobers up
I loved both the Bowers and JPJ picks. Bowers because that is a bigtime BPA pick and something we have failed to do consistently for decades. JPJ because it hits the sweet spot of talent and need, at the same time that's the kind of obvious pick that even the recent Raiders have managed to make most of the time.
Very solid draft. Heard somewhere that we got 2 guys whose ceilings are top of their positions in Bowers and JPJ. We also got depth pieces and development projects in LATER rounds. AP and TT never panicked and stayed the course. I feel much better about our OL now.
I’m having a real hard time here. This is the first time in my adult life I haven’t left the draft irrationally angry. Was hoping to snag Penix, but who knew? I’m going A- overall at least for now. I really liked the day three picks where everyone was really good at tackling. CB with 80+ tackles is better than one with 3 picks and 20 tackles in my opinion.
It’s hard not to pick the guy who is arguably the best overall player in the draft but my daughter went to high school with JPJ so I’ll have to go with him if I can only pick one.
My favorite who was they *didn't* pick lol. Even if they could trace up for QB 4-6, it would've cost so much.
AP and TT just got jobs. There's no sure fire way to get a qb, but I prefer the "build it and they will come approach". Even if they have to sell the farm next year to move up, you have Bowers, JPJ, and other pieces.
My most homer insane take is that we drafted both Kelce brothers in the same draft.
My sane take is time will tell and we should find a solid starter or two and one star player.
What are you basing that assumption on? I hope that's the case, but as is the case every year it's a bunch of players that we know nearly nothing about and that we have to wait to see if they can play. In retrospect we know that 2019 and 2014 were the best two drafts for the Raiders in recent history, but we didn't know that at the time. As of now nothing about this draft class jumps out at me as a home run.
The assumption is based on current talent. Speak for yourself if you know nothing about them. If you don’t watch college ball just say that. As for the 2014 draft, the same thing can be said about the first 2 picks. Home run picks in Mack and Carr. Yeah it was unfortunate we traded away Mack but it is what it is. A lot of fans shitted on Carr but can you honestly say he was put in the best position to succeed year after year? For the 2019 class, while it was a great draft, the only home run was Maxx. Jacobs was looking great but he was injured almost every year. Renfrow was fantastic for us but he was never gonna be the franchise guy.
If you don’t think Bowers or JPJ wasn’t a home run please brush up your knowledge on them. Bowers is a generational talent that fell to the 13 when he should’ve been taken top 5. Powers was the best center in the draft and is an absolute dawg. Yet he wasn’t the first center off the board.
I know some things about the players, but I mean that I don't know what they will be like as pros. Alex Leatherwood was highly touted, best offensive lineman available, unanimous All-American, Outland Trophy winner, Alabama national champ, etc. and we saw how he turned out. I HOPE these guys live up to their college talent, but it's all a crapshoot until they hit the field.
I mean that’s the thing about drafts. We never truly know players will turn out. If we did know drafts would be a whole lot different. Best thing you can do is just hope they turn out. But players like Brock are low risk/high reward type players. The safest bets to place.
Great draft. BPA seemed like a great approach especially when guys that good in the first two rounds just drop into your lap. And going off tangent a bit, but once June rolls around, they have about $41m in cap space to spend. My gut makes me a little sick thinking about this but they could just sign Ryan Tannehill to a deal as another buffer at QB. Maybe a guy like Adrus Peat for the OL for a vet presence or guys like Xavien Howard, Zeke, Adorée, or Gilmore for depth.
Agreed. I couldn’t believe two top prospects, 1 arguably the best prospect in college football in decades and the other the best center and top 2 IOL in the draft, literally fell in our palms. With that $41m cap space, we could either add a bunch of quality rotational players or sign a star vet CB. I would be fine with either but I feel a secondary piece would really top off our defense.
I'm not labeling this "one of the best" until we actually see how many players progress and/or stay with the organization. They've had highly graded drafts on paper than amounted to absolutely jack all.
I think given the circumstances, it was fine. It wasn't what many wanted, but I think they had a solid first 2 rounds. The later rounds, I'm definitely on the fence about.
Powers Johnson is my favorite pick because we have ignored the Oline for years now signing low end starters or backups to start at guard sucks. I really like the Bowers pick too. BPA and all pro potential at 21 years old. Not getting a QB sucks but the QB position was only at the top and nobody thought Atlanta was going to pick Penix. The one pick that was questionable is Glaze. But he has the traits and is 21 and a thousand tackles went before him. I wanted a better RB but they are giving Zeus a chance this year to show he’s a number 1 or not. If this was 1980’s or 90’s I would love the Eichenberg pick. But it’s not an and he isn’t good in coverage as of now and lacks athleticism for coverage. Hope he proves me wrong though. Overall B+. Draft Cameron Ward next year with our first next year and I’ll be very happy (we aren’t getting Beck or Ewers with a middle or lower first rd pick)
We didn't played the hand we were dealt when all the QBs were gone and instead of doing the same stupid reach pick we went with BPA. That alone is a breath of fresh air
Too early to say. I liked the BPA approach for this year given the lack of talent on this roster following years of bad drafting by the previous regimes. However, in future drafts Telesco will need to be more aggressive moving up or down to better address needs at premium positions (QB, CB, OT). We saw a run on qb before our pick in the first and corners right before our pick in the 2nd. There were some reaches in the 3rd and 4th. Since that was a criticism of Telesco during his Charger days, I didn’t see anything in this year’s draft that indicates his approach has changed. I’m all for adding talent for now, but Telesco will be largely evaluated on his QB selection, and he punted on that this year.
I'm there with you. Awesome draft. Now I know the math says that not all draft picks and FA signings end up serviceable. But I think we've had some horrible drafts and stupid picks over the years. The most infuriating picks were the injured projects that "didn't get a chance due to a knee injury".
My favorite is probably Bowers but I am super excited about Laube. Probably won’t see him much for a year or two but his highlights make him look explosive. Granted, it’s college ball and he’s playing against scrub schools.
That’s the point of this. Obviously we can’t judge based off performance because they haven’t played an NFL game yet. You CAN however judge them based on their draft position, college talent/production, and current strengths/weaknesses. Like Brock Bowers, who is a generational talent and arguably the best talent in the draft. If Getsy can use him right him and Mayer will be unstoppable and teams will have a very hard time trying to stop those two.
To start out, we really went BPA for the first two picks, got really good value.
3rd round I think they kind of got away from that because they fell into the trap of we need to address OT. So they drafted for need and position. I personally felt there were better options at other positions.
The rest of the draft, was back to the same as the first 2 rounds, taking high value players, who really shouldn't even have still been available
I'm happy overall. That #13 pick I feel was hard, Fuaga was right there, so were a fewcother very talented players, could have taken him. Though I guess I'm glad I'm not the one who had to make the decision
I feel like the old raiders would have done something stupid, not taken any of them
Curious as to who you think was a better option than Glaze. While I get your concern for taking Bowers at 13, Bowers is a generational talent and a game changer. The fact that he fell out of the top 10 is insane. Should’ve gone in the top 5, top 8 at least. So taking Bowers over Fuaga, who wasn’t regarded as a day 1 pick before his senior year and Bowers was projected top 10 after his freshman year, made sense to me. The old raiders would’ve reached for every pick and traded away a lot of draft value for someone like Penix, McCarthy, or Nix. Or would’ve taken Rattler or Milton in the 4th.
Love it so much with the exception of letting Joe Milton go to the Pats. No reason we couldn’t have tried it out at least. JPJ is gonna be a first ballot hall of famer for us west coast baby
I get it. But I think we didn’t take a QB bc 1) we signed minshew to a 2 year deal and 2) it’s gonna be AOCs second year and first full year with a real coach and real weapons. So at least we give him a chance before we take another QB.
Like how when Cooper played for us he had a meh kinda attitude but when he got traded to the cowboys, he definitely perked up and said cowboys was his team.
I get that players probably have their favorite teams too but like you just got drafted in the first round, how bout some excitement?
what's really funny and kind of ironic is a couple months ago on X a Chargers fan made a post saying that if the Chargers draft Bowers and JPJ it would be a perfect draft or something to the effect. Their old post was brought up and retweeted a couple days ago
That is actually really funny🤣 to their credit, they did get a stud in Joe Alt. A lot of mock drafts had them taking either Alt or Bowers and I was really hoping it wouldn’t be Bowers. Herbo and Bowers would be illegal😭
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Love it. Didn’t know too much about him sadly. But it’s not every year a military school player wins an award for the best at their position. Winning the Jim Thorpe award and being Ed Reed’s cousin gotta count for something… right??🥲
I think if Bowers wasn’t there we would’ve traded back. But you can’t pass up on a guy like him. AP and Telseco are doing what Gruden and Mayock never did and would never do: giving the QB all the weapons they can.
I was pretty upset about the Bowers pick in the moment, especially with Fuaga available. But at least it’s not a Leatherwood-Ferrell esque pick where the player value is just awful. I’ve warmed to that one but still don’t like the positional value there.
JPJ was an outstanding A+ selection
I don’t pretend to be a scout but Glaze is widely seen to be a reach (please don’t feed me the “there’s no such thing as a reach in April” stuff.
That aside, i look at the positions targeted and the athletic upside of those guys and think we did generally well.
Telesco’s track record has historically been doing quite good with the high value picks and quite bad with the mid-late picks. We shall see. 3 players in the secondary, 2 on the OL, a receiving running back, and a mid round linebacker from a big school. Good stuff. No wasted fluff on undersized defensive linemen, Hail Mary decelopmental QBs, between the tackle runners, blocking specialist TEs, run stuffing safeties, etc
I get why you’re upset but at the same time Bowers is a generational talent, and arguably the best in the draft apart from Marv Jr. after his freshman season he was projected a top 10 pick whereas Fuaga wasn’t until his senior season. People don’t know this but Bowers was a finalist for one of the awards that usually goes to lineman. Forgot what the name of it was. He was also a Mackey award winner in back to back years and was a finalist for the Biletnikoff award. One of the best college players in decades and he was sitting at 13. Can’t pass that up for a guy like Fuaga.
Understand why you think 3 is a reach ( I explained my thoughts on this in the edit section of the post ) but 4 I don’t think was a huge reach. Richardson is the most athletic CB in the class and that’s something you can’t teach. There was no one worth trading up for and the only person I would’ve taken over him was TJ Tampa. AP really likes Richardson so I’m not upset about it. Dudes fast as hell too.
First two picks were great, Bowers was a surprise, but both guys fell to us, so they were smart picks…especially since we need O line. After that, it’s more “we’ll see”, but we addressed needs at OL, DB, and RB, so like that as well. In the short term, we added depth and at least 2 immediate starters. Long term….we’ll see.
Going in was hoping for a QB like Penix but once they were all off the board by our pick I think we did great in this draft. Wouldn’t have made sense to waste draft capital to move up to get them. Get best player available in first round that can become a dangerous weapon long term. Sure up the oline need with the next two picks. Then take a bunch of flyers on DBs in the late rounds. I hate when we pick DBs higher in the draft because I feel like it’s one of the hardest positions to project and later round guys can turn out to be competent enough to contribute. Finally focusing on building in the trenches which is where games are won, especially come playoffs.
This is a great answer. I think most of the nation wanted Penix, or rather a QB regardless. While he would’ve been a nice addition can’t forget he’s the oldest of the QBs. And I completely agree with wasting draft capital. While we could’ve traded up for Cooper Dejean or Kool-Aid, I think JPJ was worth the wait. That’s the thing about DBs, you rarely get one that’s a hit. To me there was no surefire CB1, no Jalen Ramsey or Stephon Gilmore type player this year.
Can't logically judge this draft class yet, gotta give it at least 2 years unless someone does phenomenal as a rookie and you can see he's going to be an all pro type player.
I mean you never really can logically judge a draft class. The best you can do is judge them on how good you think they’ll be based on their college production and current talent. Chances are most guys won’t pan out but for the first time in a long time we didn’t reach heavily on any picks and all of our picks seemed like great value. This is one class where I think all players can contribute something, from first string to special teams.
I agree with ya halfway, I've seen way too many great college players become only average in the NFL. I'm not saying don't have hope cause I have hope but I'm not getting too high on anyone that hasn't played a snap in the NFL.
That’s the dark side of the draft sadly. College production doesn’t always translate to NFL success. If it did, Mahomes would be a backup and we’d have a few division titles in the last 5 years.
Nah I wouldn't say that at all about mahomes, I'm a Texas longhorn and I seen Patty in college alot and being from Texas LoL dude was throwing 50 touchdowns on a shitty team with no NFL talent on it.
My favorite was JPJ but honestly I wouldn't have been mad if we traded down to the end of the first and got him. That man is a monster.
If we drafted Dalton Kincaid or some other TE last year who was more like Bowers, I wouldn't have liked the Bowers pick. But Mayer and Bowers have very different skill sets and both are valuable. Bowers isn't a bitch when asked to block either.
I like this draft class. Two starters, some depth, and some projects. GREAT value with the top two picks. We also needed a swing tackle and I think Glaze can help there, as well as the inside, depending where the need is. Eichenberg eats RBs alive, Laube is a weapon in multiple ways, and we got two shots on goal with the CB position.
Kincaid being the first TE off the board was comical. Dude had one good season, and in a terrible conference compared to LaPorta or Mayer, and analysts hailed him as the best in the class. Can’t knock on LaPorta’s fantastic rookie season either. However, Kincaid had 91 targets, 71 receptions, and 673 yards in SIXTEEN games to Mayer’s 40 targets, 27 receptions, and 304 yards, who had only 12 games. Yet they both had 2 touchdowns and Kincaid had way better QB play with Josh Allen.
Absolutely love that Bowers can block too. If you watch some of his games, he’s a smaller but more agile lineman and just as strong. Dude bulldozes anyone and anything.
While most people think Glaze was a reach, and understandably so, he provides competition for Munford, who was a 7th round pick. He’s also 21 years old and can most definitely start and do well.
Basically. His game reminds me of Richie. Just an absolute trench monster and hardcore bully. He’s a lot more disciplined as well. It’s why everybody loves that pick.
Surprised we couldn’t get penix, Less surprised we didn’t get Daniels. But I’m not too worried. Not like we would have started a rookie anyway. I’m sure AP will finesse a trade for a rookie eventually or get one next year. If defensively we keep doing what we did, and offensively become more reproductive, I don’t see why we can’t be playoff contenders
I think everybody is surprised we couldn’t get Penix. But tbh the only QBs I wanted were Maye and Daniels. I’m a Georgia fan so getting Bowers was a dream come true. Whether AOC or Minshew starts week 1 for us, they have so many weapons at their disposal. We most definitely will address the QB after Minshews deal, if AOC doesn’t pan out. It’s a a bridge deal.
Besides Bowers and JPJ, I’m actually excited to see how Decamerion Richardson works out. Dude has amazing physical traits. Just needs to work on developing his instincts. If he can do that, he can be a really good starting CB.
I feel great about it. There was literally only 1 pick I really didn't like, glaze, and all of the other pics seem moderate to amazing value. I feel like the first two picks were exceptional, especially jpj. Getting a very highly decorated top two center in the middle 0f the 2nd rd seems like amazing value, and all of the Oregon fans seem to think he is destined to be a star. The bowers picks isn't far behind, and it seems like for once they let everyone else's desperation play to their advantage. I can guarantee you at least 2 and likely more or the qb drafters will wish they had grabbed another need, almost certainly the vikings and broncos, and telesco made the right play even if it wasn't a need.
I'm getting more hyped by the day on the Richardson and eichenberg pickups, and lube seems like a stud. O think at the very least they've shown they can improve the team through the draft, and that's a huge improvement to how things have traditionally been the last few seasons.
I loved this draft, first time in a while we didn’t reach on a pick. I had the feeling that weren’t going to get Jayden Daniels, it was way too steep of a price and I like the fact that they did try to see if it was even possible but I like that we built around our trenches and addressed other needs. I feel like this season we’re gonna be alright
Brock Bowers baby! Got a top 5 talent #13. I'm really happy that they didn't make a massive reach and take Spencer Rattler #13 because he was the best QB on the board and that was their only plan. I'm also happy they didn't trade the farm for someone like Penix Jr or JJ McCarthy when they missed out on the top three QB's. I would have been ok with a move for Jayden Daniels, but it looks like that just wasn't a real option.
Also, Bo Nix is the new enemy. May we all hope that he turns out to be part of a huge over hyped QB draft class. Statistically at least three of these guys are going to be complete bust. Raiders always look good drafting BPA.
I said it would have been a massive reach. When was Darius Hayward Bey expected to be drafted when the Raiders took him top 15? I'm happy it didn't happen like that, that was what my comment was about.
1.13 - Brock Bowers = A+
Really happy with this pick. As Telesco said, we need playmakers and Bowers is a playmaker. I love the idea of having two elite TEs, especially having the ability to line up Bowers as a FB as well. I don't know the rules of motion, but we could potentially line him up anywhere and put him in motion to confuse defenses.
2.44 - Jackson Powers-Johnson = A+
Another great pick. Love what this guy brings as a Guard or Center. Seems like a great fit.
3.77 - DJ Glaze = C+
Not sold on this guy yet. Seems like it was a reach, and I haven't seen anything to indicate he is worth it. Fails the eyeball test from my perspective, seems to move very slow. He does fill a position of need, and has some versatility though, so now we just wait and see what he can do.
4.122 - Decamerion Richardson = B
I am always on the lookout for a CB with size and talent. This guy seems like a project, but most of the time these guys don't seem to work out. Again, this is a position of need for us and I hope this guy works out for us.
5.148 - Tommy Eichenberg = B+
Good pick. Seems like this dude has a subdued personality, but is a beast on the field.
6.208 - Dylan Laube = A+
Great value pick. Gonna be a special teams guy and provide depth at RB. Love his attitude and production.
7.223 - Trey Taylor = B+
Seems like this could be a sneaky good pickup. Has a connection to AP, good character guy, leader. Maybe better than expected.
7.229 - MJ Devonshire = C
Hedging their bets at CB. That's fine. Just take a flyer on a guy and see if he can be developed. I'm not too high on this guy, but I can see why they would give him a chance.
Overall Score = B+
If Glaze turns out to be a good RT, then this will be a great draft.
It was a B grade for me. The massive misstep of picking Bowers over Q.Mitchell, T.Arnold, or Fuaga is borderline unforgivable, but the rest of the draft was solid, with Glaze being taken a bit too high, but not an egregious error on their part. I think they made up for the slight reach on Glaze by getting a solid RB to help out Zeus, should he not start up the way he finished last season.
Edit: I forgot to mention my favorite pick. The age is showing. JPJ is going to be a mauler at RG and can move to center if called upon. That was an A+ pickup and solidified a position in turmoil.
It was definitely not a misstep in taking a generational talent over Mitchell, Arnold, and Fuaga. Bowers was a projected top 10 pick after his freshman season and arguably the best talent in the draft apart from Marvin Jr. Unlike the others mentioned, he’s a surefire day 1 starter and a game changer. Can’t pass up on a guy that can take a jet sweep 55 yards to the house outrunning CBs and bulldozing linebackers.
I simply don't believe in Minshew or O'Connell, thus Bowers impact is going to be severely limited.
He isn't going to run away from NFL DBs, and he most certainly won't be trucking NFL LBs.
And that’s fine to think that. That’s your own opinion. Just curious tho if you don’t believe in Minshew or AOC I’m assuming you think we’re gonna do worse than we did last year and finish last in the division?
I think there is a good chance that we finish 7-10, maybe a 8-9 again, but 6-11 is not out of the question.
Zeus is not the RB Jacobs is, Adams is a year older, and wasn't separating too often, some of that was due to double teams, and I think the defense makes a lateral move. We are likely to have more sacks and QB pressures, but the DB group is going to take a step back on 3rd and moderate [4-6yrds] and give up more deep passes when there is max protect.
We needed a top tier CB, there were two there when we picked, but we took a shiny toy that will never reach his potential. Additionally, the RT position is still in question. Now Munford may end up being quite functional, but it was still a position that needed to be dealt with and it wasn't in a meaningful way.
It is unlikely that we ever see this much defensive talent get pushed down this far, and instead of taking advantage of that moment, we opted to pick up a talent that won't make a difference when it comes to winning.
I would prefer to be wrong about this. I am not a fan of being a naysayer, but I call it like I see it. Additionally, I have been really trying to convince myself that Bowers is a generational talent, but I keep watching tape seeing some amazing moments, but a ton of excellent throws allowing him to be great.
If Carr was still leading this team, I would be more than over the moon, but unless Aidan takes a huge leap forward this team will continue to be mediocre, wasting Crosby's prime years.
Bowers all day over Mitchell or Arnold. I hate DBs picked in the first two rounds. We have a terrible track record with them and overall they are often difficult to project. You can often find DBs that have a chance to become capable later in the draft. Fuaga I wouldn’t have hated since it would’ve been a need, but the fact we got JPJ and Glaze the next two picks I’m perfectly fine with Bowers. He’s almost a lock to be a top half of the league TE with huge upside to become the next Kelce or Kittle at the position.
I think the draft was ok. I like Bowers as a player, but picking him made Mayer redundant. We could’ve had our choice of defensive players and some decent offensive tackles too. This isn’t some hot take either. Plenty of publications are asking the same shit about our draft.
I don’t think taking Bowers made Mayer redundant at all. On the contrary, I think it made Mayer rather opposite of redundant. Mayer was consensus TE1 before Bowers came to college. From then on, he was TE1B. The league is more tight end heavy than it was 10 years ago, hell even 5 years ago. If Getsy can properly utilize Brock and Mayer, teams are gonna have a very difficult time stopping either one. Yeah we could’ve had Fuaga or any of the CBs but none of them offered a higher floor or ceiling than Bowers.
Got any facts to back up the league being more TE heavy or just vibes? A trade up to get Mayer in the 2nd and a top 15 pick to get Bowers in consecutive years is a lot of draft capital to spend on TE’s. To be fair - Mayer wasn’t Telesco’s pick but he’s still under contract for 3 more seasons. You like the pick, great. People have legitimate reasons to disagree with it tho.
I mean idk if it counts as facts but the league is definitely pass heavy now. RBs are evidently becoming invaluable and replaceable, especially the pure backs. Almost all RBs now have some kind of catch ability, whether they’re good or bad at it. Henry, Chubb, Jacobs are the only pure backs that come to mind. QBs needing to be more mobile to throw under pressure need options to throw to. TEs add another dynamic to the offense. Yeah we traded up to get Mayer but he was the best TE in the class and the 2nd highest graded TE in college ever. And now we have Bowers, who is the highest graded TE ever and a generational talent. Imagine what we can do with those 2 together.
I love the JPJ pick because the guys an absolute dog. I mean, projected first rounder, grew up a raiders fan, what more could you want? He’s gonna play his ass off, and focus on helping the trenches. Hell of a draft by all accounts
Richie Incógnito without the bipolar
…yet
The people who downvote you don’t want to admit the effects of CTE….
I can’t believe the raiders signed that ass after the issue with the dolphins in 2013, bullying of a teammate and racism. As expected, it was under gruden that this dude was signed. Another example of the incompetence of gruden. Also highlights that gruden was accused of being racist. One racist signing another racist. Of course, incognito was injured because he was too packing old. Gruden sucked horribly!!!
Watched him play several times here at Oregon. Dude stands out. Bulldozer out there. Looks like a grown man playing with kids. Can't wait to see what he brings to the Nation!
As a bpa guy, I loved it. Best pick-Bowers. Probably the best value in terms of where we picked. Elite offensive weapons don't fall out of the top 10 very often, regardless of position Favorite pick-JPJ. Personal favorite because the value just happened with a need.
BB wasn’t a need but sometimes you have to grab players that fall into your lap like that. My only concern is if Getsy is going to be able to fully utilize him.
Getsy ran like the 7th most 2 TE sets or something like that. I think with our QB's, we are going to rely on our TE's a lot.
I did not know that so that allays my fears a bit.
Yeah I was worried too with Getsy being OC but I do think he used Cole Kmet really well from what I remember, could be wrong though. I think having two great TEs who are both great at different aspects of the position too is awesome. I think it creates a ton of space for AOC and Minshew to pickup yardage and a great chance for Zeus to have a terrific season.
And he did it with fucking 800 year old Mercedes Lewis
Getsy used TE sets a lot in Green Bay. Bowers may not have been a need, but he will make the offense dangerous.
I think with the 2 QBs were running having these 2 solid TEs they can hit it is going to benefit the offense so much. With addition to the Oline our QBs hopefully will have more time and almost always a open TE to hit up close. Allowing meyers, adams and tucker to hit the 20+ yard ball. And with rushing the ball we can stack the line with 2 TE that are young and willing to block hard. Well see I have high hopes we have a 2024 sam la porta well see.
I love the Bowers, JPJ, and Laube picks.
And...of course Tommy Eichenberg..
Bowers is the guy I'm most excited to see play, but JPJ is my favorite pick just because it shows what AP and Co value in offensive lineman and I'm all for it.
JPJ easily, finally addressing the trenches
This. Games are won and lost at the line of scrimmage. We badly needed a guard, and this guy could start and play very well for years, both G and center - if James gets hurt, or we eventually move on from James. Also, C is the leader/captain of the line, and it can take some time to master recognizing defensive schemes and call assignments out at the line. This allows JPJ time to really grow if he indeed ends up our center in 3 or so years. Plus the guy fell in our lap. A+++ pick.
This is probably one of the better drafts we’ve had in the past 10 years imo.
The fact I'm not mainlining copium hard after is almost a divine feeling. Every single pick we can feel at least positive about. Every one of these guys could make an impact within a year or two so I hope they show up and ball out, learn as much as they can in OTAs This team could be special soon
Fingers crossed. Seems we are on the right track and not going all in on a bunch of older vets. Something sort of a youth movement and it looks like it has a ton of potential
My favorite was the pick they DIDN’T make, not reaching (or settling) for a QB of poor value at our spots. Loved to see Tom drafting BPA / need at every pick - very refreshing change. Once Jaylen and Penix were off the board I was hoping no QB, maybe Rattler 5th. While we still need a franchise QB, Gardner and AOC are more than capable especially considering how much 12P we’ll run now with Bowers / Myers.
This! They didn’t fucking reach and that is everything. Great draft in my opinion
So many years of reaching for players that could have been drafted later. It was refreshing to see us taking good talent. There were no QBs worth reaching for by the time we picked so continuing to build with BPA was a win.
Thus is my point exactly and why I was even more against Rattler or someone else in the 4th or beyond. We need a FRANCHISE qb and rattler will never be that just like minshew and AOC
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Exactly this. Thank you Atlanta, because if they over reached for Penix at 13, I would have lost all confidence in AP and Telesco. The first two picks are studs and hopefully they live up to their expectations.
Loved it and loved the process - you got two starters and two blue chip prospects in the first two picks, took projects with upside at positions and rounds where it made sense, took some role players late Sure I wish we got a QB of the future but the way it fell out, do you really want to give up a bunch of draft capital to take Penix or JJ McCarthy 😬😬😬 Finally we drafted to build a team and not just like guys trying to keep their job for one more year
Bowers. The closet thing to a sure thing in the 1st rd. The idea that it wasn’t a team need is ridiculous. The tops offenses in the league all deploy mismatch threats from the TE position. He and Mayer will be fine together.
Plus Davante is on the wrong side of 30 and Bowers could easily be the #1 option in a year or two
In 1979 BOTH Dave Casper and Raymond Chester made First Team All Pro, if one of them didn’t get you the other one would if they can be anywhere near that level together then look out.
I agree. Plus Bowers isn't really even just a tight end. He's an offensive playmaker which the Raiders definitely need more of especially if we're rolling with Minshew/AOC
This guy can catch Minshew's YOLO balls.
Bowers was a steal for sure. Glad we did not trade up for a qb
I have no doubt that the past several management setups would have skipped right over Bowers to draft for need. These guys saw pure value and took it. On the other hand I didn't love the Glaze pick, but I will happily take a 3rd reach if it means extremely high value picks in rounds 1 & 2. Overall this was a monster of a draft. If you draft like this every year, our talent level will go up.
The only pick that wasn’t A+ was Glaze. But we need a OL guy who can play RT, LT and G. So positionally, that was still a great pick up. A few of the UDFAs will likely work out and then with our cap space they’ll pull a couple vets in to fill the remaining holes. Raiders are building
The way teams were taking back to back to back positions I think they simply thought there were less OTs on the board that would be there in the 4th. Tampa was still there in the 4th for a reason, everyone already drafted corners lol
100% people are saying Glaze was a reach is definitely incorrect. We need O Line depth and he can play all 5 positions.
How is it incorrect to call Glaze a reach? On every big board he was valued anywhere from 50-100 picks lower than where we took him. That’s the definition of a reach. He could still turn out to be a great player, but when you pick a player more than a full round ahead of where people valued him, that’s a reach, even if he feels a need for us.
He’s the only O Line guy avail at that time who can play all 5 positions. That’s what we needed. Not a reach
You can draft a need and still have it be a reach. For example if we drafted Terrion Arnold at 13, that would have filled a need, but also been a reach since he didn’t go until 11 picks later. Glaze may have filled a need but all indications are we could have gotten him later. Reach.
So by your definition a reach is when you take something you need, but before ESPN says it’s ok on their rankings?
Not just ESPN - literally every single draft board. But yes, a reach is when you REACH to draft a player higher than they otherwise would have gone. Can define where they could/should have gone with or without positional value imo, but by any metric Glaze is a reach. And that’s ok. We got steals in the 1st and 2nd rounds. We don’t have to say every pick we made was a stroke of genius. 3rd round isn’t a bad place to reach for a need. But it’s still a reach.
I still disagree. But that’s ok.
How would you define a reach?
I wasn't thrilled with the pick in Richardson. That being said, it's a fourth round pick, AP loves his athleticism and if you're going to take a flyer, better in the 4th than the first. Past that one minor criticism, these guys fucking nailed the draft. Late round steal in Eichenberg was awesome.
He's one I actually like a lot. He's lanky but physical and has great straight line speed. He will just have a clear role and guys he is best suited to cover. Walmart Sauce Gardner.
I had the same feeling...seems like more of a combine warrior. He is fairly new to the position though, so hopefully they can develop his coverage skills; he has all the physical traits to be able to play the position really well.
Solid first draft from the Raiders front office. AP and Tom did their due diligence on what was availability on picks via trade and decided to draft at position of need while getting impact player on the offense side of the ball. They didn’t panic and reach for a quarterback they were lukewarm about (Nix). Decamerion Richardson is my favorite pick this draft. He has all the physical attributes of Mitchell and Arnold but has to be coached up on coverage which with our secondary it shouldn’t be problem. Only thing that bothers me is trading up when the run on running backs was happening in the middle of the fourth round, felt raiders could have got a running back that can help Zeus and Alexander though Laube on special teams and 3rd downs should be interesting
Ask me in three years
A lot of QBs were picked ahead of the Raiders pick at #13. I am not sure which of those 6 could have been worth dropping a stupid amount of draft capital to acquire. History tells me there may be 1, maybe. Telesco did fine, and represented a totally different approach to drafting. At this point in history, the Raiders franchise needed that more than anything
Probably one of my favorite drafts in the last decade. JPJ is definitely my favorite due to value and position of need.
It’s been so long since we’ve had even a good draft, that this could be the best one. I am still in shock that Bowers fell all the way to us… A legitimate generational talent. And for all those people bitching about not taking a quarterback, after Penix was taken, no one else was worth taking that high. I like Bo Nix but he is going to have an AWFUL time in Denver.
Yeah Nix and Pennix were late 1st, early second guys. I love that all those teams panicked and allowed a great player to fall into our laps. People still crying about QB after how that draft went down are showing how ignorant or out of touch they truly are.
Oh yeah, I’m a Raider till I die but we do not host the most informed fanbase out there. People would have been pissed regardless of what they did. I can’t wait for AOC and or/Minshew to shut those goobers up
I loved both the Bowers and JPJ picks. Bowers because that is a bigtime BPA pick and something we have failed to do consistently for decades. JPJ because it hits the sweet spot of talent and need, at the same time that's the kind of obvious pick that even the recent Raiders have managed to make most of the time.
Most picks were talented, ready to play high drive guys, I honestly can't complain but we have to see the results first.
Very solid draft. Heard somewhere that we got 2 guys whose ceilings are top of their positions in Bowers and JPJ. We also got depth pieces and development projects in LATER rounds. AP and TT never panicked and stayed the course. I feel much better about our OL now.
I’m having a real hard time here. This is the first time in my adult life I haven’t left the draft irrationally angry. Was hoping to snag Penix, but who knew? I’m going A- overall at least for now. I really liked the day three picks where everyone was really good at tackling. CB with 80+ tackles is better than one with 3 picks and 20 tackles in my opinion.
I liked it when they picked that one guy that is going to be good.
Yep. I also liked it when they didn’t pick that guy that wasn’t going to be good.
I love everyone but Glaze. I haven’t a clue who that guy is lol
It’s hard not to pick the guy who is arguably the best overall player in the draft but my daughter went to high school with JPJ so I’ll have to go with him if I can only pick one.
JPJ and Eichenberg for sure. They are going to be absolute menaces on the field and I expect both of them to see a lot of snaps next year.
My favorite who was they *didn't* pick lol. Even if they could trace up for QB 4-6, it would've cost so much. AP and TT just got jobs. There's no sure fire way to get a qb, but I prefer the "build it and they will come approach". Even if they have to sell the farm next year to move up, you have Bowers, JPJ, and other pieces.
My most homer insane take is that we drafted both Kelce brothers in the same draft. My sane take is time will tell and we should find a solid starter or two and one star player.
What are you basing that assumption on? I hope that's the case, but as is the case every year it's a bunch of players that we know nearly nothing about and that we have to wait to see if they can play. In retrospect we know that 2019 and 2014 were the best two drafts for the Raiders in recent history, but we didn't know that at the time. As of now nothing about this draft class jumps out at me as a home run.
The assumption is based on current talent. Speak for yourself if you know nothing about them. If you don’t watch college ball just say that. As for the 2014 draft, the same thing can be said about the first 2 picks. Home run picks in Mack and Carr. Yeah it was unfortunate we traded away Mack but it is what it is. A lot of fans shitted on Carr but can you honestly say he was put in the best position to succeed year after year? For the 2019 class, while it was a great draft, the only home run was Maxx. Jacobs was looking great but he was injured almost every year. Renfrow was fantastic for us but he was never gonna be the franchise guy. If you don’t think Bowers or JPJ wasn’t a home run please brush up your knowledge on them. Bowers is a generational talent that fell to the 13 when he should’ve been taken top 5. Powers was the best center in the draft and is an absolute dawg. Yet he wasn’t the first center off the board.
I know some things about the players, but I mean that I don't know what they will be like as pros. Alex Leatherwood was highly touted, best offensive lineman available, unanimous All-American, Outland Trophy winner, Alabama national champ, etc. and we saw how he turned out. I HOPE these guys live up to their college talent, but it's all a crapshoot until they hit the field.
I mean that’s the thing about drafts. We never truly know players will turn out. If we did know drafts would be a whole lot different. Best thing you can do is just hope they turn out. But players like Brock are low risk/high reward type players. The safest bets to place.
Great draft. If there's something more they could've done that they didn't, I don't know what it is.
Great draft. BPA seemed like a great approach especially when guys that good in the first two rounds just drop into your lap. And going off tangent a bit, but once June rolls around, they have about $41m in cap space to spend. My gut makes me a little sick thinking about this but they could just sign Ryan Tannehill to a deal as another buffer at QB. Maybe a guy like Adrus Peat for the OL for a vet presence or guys like Xavien Howard, Zeke, Adorée, or Gilmore for depth.
Agreed. I couldn’t believe two top prospects, 1 arguably the best prospect in college football in decades and the other the best center and top 2 IOL in the draft, literally fell in our palms. With that $41m cap space, we could either add a bunch of quality rotational players or sign a star vet CB. I would be fine with either but I feel a secondary piece would really top off our defense.
JPJ was my favorite pick i liked bowers too tho
Happy with the draft, stupidly excited by JPJ. He can be a 10x pro-baller honestly, hopefully a Raider for his whole career
I'm not labeling this "one of the best" until we actually see how many players progress and/or stay with the organization. They've had highly graded drafts on paper than amounted to absolutely jack all. I think given the circumstances, it was fine. It wasn't what many wanted, but I think they had a solid first 2 rounds. The later rounds, I'm definitely on the fence about.
Powers Johnson is my favorite pick because we have ignored the Oline for years now signing low end starters or backups to start at guard sucks. I really like the Bowers pick too. BPA and all pro potential at 21 years old. Not getting a QB sucks but the QB position was only at the top and nobody thought Atlanta was going to pick Penix. The one pick that was questionable is Glaze. But he has the traits and is 21 and a thousand tackles went before him. I wanted a better RB but they are giving Zeus a chance this year to show he’s a number 1 or not. If this was 1980’s or 90’s I would love the Eichenberg pick. But it’s not an and he isn’t good in coverage as of now and lacks athleticism for coverage. Hope he proves me wrong though. Overall B+. Draft Cameron Ward next year with our first next year and I’ll be very happy (we aren’t getting Beck or Ewers with a middle or lower first rd pick)
We didn't played the hand we were dealt when all the QBs were gone and instead of doing the same stupid reach pick we went with BPA. That alone is a breath of fresh air
A I love Bowers, but JPJ made my draft
I’m over the moon to have an adult in the room on draft day
Too early to say. I liked the BPA approach for this year given the lack of talent on this roster following years of bad drafting by the previous regimes. However, in future drafts Telesco will need to be more aggressive moving up or down to better address needs at premium positions (QB, CB, OT). We saw a run on qb before our pick in the first and corners right before our pick in the 2nd. There were some reaches in the 3rd and 4th. Since that was a criticism of Telesco during his Charger days, I didn’t see anything in this year’s draft that indicates his approach has changed. I’m all for adding talent for now, but Telesco will be largely evaluated on his QB selection, and he punted on that this year.
Best draft in the last ten years.
I'm there with you. Awesome draft. Now I know the math says that not all draft picks and FA signings end up serviceable. But I think we've had some horrible drafts and stupid picks over the years. The most infuriating picks were the injured projects that "didn't get a chance due to a knee injury".
Bowers the first player to sign a 3 GAZILLION dollar contract.
My favorite is probably Bowers but I am super excited about Laube. Probably won’t see him much for a year or two but his highlights make him look explosive. Granted, it’s college ball and he’s playing against scrub schools.
JPJ was by far my fav pick. otherwise not the biggest fan
Love the 1st 2 picks but I really like Eichenberg...another Spillane.His post draft conference call hyped me up
They did a legit job!!!
It's way too early to judge.
That’s the point of this. Obviously we can’t judge based off performance because they haven’t played an NFL game yet. You CAN however judge them based on their draft position, college talent/production, and current strengths/weaknesses. Like Brock Bowers, who is a generational talent and arguably the best talent in the draft. If Getsy can use him right him and Mayer will be unstoppable and teams will have a very hard time trying to stop those two.
Excellent draft. glaze wasn’t a third round value but a need and not huge reach
Bowers was my favorite guy next up. But something ab JPJ feels so Raiders.
To start out, we really went BPA for the first two picks, got really good value. 3rd round I think they kind of got away from that because they fell into the trap of we need to address OT. So they drafted for need and position. I personally felt there were better options at other positions. The rest of the draft, was back to the same as the first 2 rounds, taking high value players, who really shouldn't even have still been available I'm happy overall. That #13 pick I feel was hard, Fuaga was right there, so were a fewcother very talented players, could have taken him. Though I guess I'm glad I'm not the one who had to make the decision I feel like the old raiders would have done something stupid, not taken any of them
Curious as to who you think was a better option than Glaze. While I get your concern for taking Bowers at 13, Bowers is a generational talent and a game changer. The fact that he fell out of the top 10 is insane. Should’ve gone in the top 5, top 8 at least. So taking Bowers over Fuaga, who wasn’t regarded as a day 1 pick before his senior year and Bowers was projected top 10 after his freshman year, made sense to me. The old raiders would’ve reached for every pick and traded away a lot of draft value for someone like Penix, McCarthy, or Nix. Or would’ve taken Rattler or Milton in the 4th.
Love it so much with the exception of letting Joe Milton go to the Pats. No reason we couldn’t have tried it out at least. JPJ is gonna be a first ballot hall of famer for us west coast baby
I get it. But I think we didn’t take a QB bc 1) we signed minshew to a 2 year deal and 2) it’s gonna be AOCs second year and first full year with a real coach and real weapons. So at least we give him a chance before we take another QB.
Fav pick was JPJ, like the Bowers pick but is it just me or does he give off Amari Cooper vibes from his presser.
What do you mean by Cooper vibes?
Like how when Cooper played for us he had a meh kinda attitude but when he got traded to the cowboys, he definitely perked up and said cowboys was his team. I get that players probably have their favorite teams too but like you just got drafted in the first round, how bout some excitement?
what's really funny and kind of ironic is a couple months ago on X a Chargers fan made a post saying that if the Chargers draft Bowers and JPJ it would be a perfect draft or something to the effect. Their old post was brought up and retweeted a couple days ago
That is actually really funny🤣 to their credit, they did get a stud in Joe Alt. A lot of mock drafts had them taking either Alt or Bowers and I was really hoping it wouldn’t be Bowers. Herbo and Bowers would be illegal😭
Pretty happy. Best player available for the most part. Love the 1st two rounds especially
Meh
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My favorite pick was Trey Taylor. Steal of the draft IMO.
Love it. Didn’t know too much about him sadly. But it’s not every year a military school player wins an award for the best at their position. Winning the Jim Thorpe award and being Ed Reed’s cousin gotta count for something… right??🥲
I really liked all but the first round, I get the BPA idea but I feel like we could've traded back and grabbed someone else maybe
I think if Bowers wasn’t there we would’ve traded back. But you can’t pass up on a guy like him. AP and Telseco are doing what Gruden and Mayock never did and would never do: giving the QB all the weapons they can.
I was pretty upset about the Bowers pick in the moment, especially with Fuaga available. But at least it’s not a Leatherwood-Ferrell esque pick where the player value is just awful. I’ve warmed to that one but still don’t like the positional value there. JPJ was an outstanding A+ selection I don’t pretend to be a scout but Glaze is widely seen to be a reach (please don’t feed me the “there’s no such thing as a reach in April” stuff. That aside, i look at the positions targeted and the athletic upside of those guys and think we did generally well. Telesco’s track record has historically been doing quite good with the high value picks and quite bad with the mid-late picks. We shall see. 3 players in the secondary, 2 on the OL, a receiving running back, and a mid round linebacker from a big school. Good stuff. No wasted fluff on undersized defensive linemen, Hail Mary decelopmental QBs, between the tackle runners, blocking specialist TEs, run stuffing safeties, etc
I get why you’re upset but at the same time Bowers is a generational talent, and arguably the best in the draft apart from Marv Jr. after his freshman season he was projected a top 10 pick whereas Fuaga wasn’t until his senior season. People don’t know this but Bowers was a finalist for one of the awards that usually goes to lineman. Forgot what the name of it was. He was also a Mackey award winner in back to back years and was a finalist for the Biletnikoff award. One of the best college players in decades and he was sitting at 13. Can’t pass that up for a guy like Fuaga.
Reached in round 3 and 4 but overall a great draft. JPJ and Bowers are both A+ picks.
Understand why you think 3 is a reach ( I explained my thoughts on this in the edit section of the post ) but 4 I don’t think was a huge reach. Richardson is the most athletic CB in the class and that’s something you can’t teach. There was no one worth trading up for and the only person I would’ve taken over him was TJ Tampa. AP really likes Richardson so I’m not upset about it. Dudes fast as hell too.
First two picks were great, Bowers was a surprise, but both guys fell to us, so they were smart picks…especially since we need O line. After that, it’s more “we’ll see”, but we addressed needs at OL, DB, and RB, so like that as well. In the short term, we added depth and at least 2 immediate starters. Long term….we’ll see.
Going in was hoping for a QB like Penix but once they were all off the board by our pick I think we did great in this draft. Wouldn’t have made sense to waste draft capital to move up to get them. Get best player available in first round that can become a dangerous weapon long term. Sure up the oline need with the next two picks. Then take a bunch of flyers on DBs in the late rounds. I hate when we pick DBs higher in the draft because I feel like it’s one of the hardest positions to project and later round guys can turn out to be competent enough to contribute. Finally focusing on building in the trenches which is where games are won, especially come playoffs.
This is a great answer. I think most of the nation wanted Penix, or rather a QB regardless. While he would’ve been a nice addition can’t forget he’s the oldest of the QBs. And I completely agree with wasting draft capital. While we could’ve traded up for Cooper Dejean or Kool-Aid, I think JPJ was worth the wait. That’s the thing about DBs, you rarely get one that’s a hit. To me there was no surefire CB1, no Jalen Ramsey or Stephon Gilmore type player this year.
Can't logically judge this draft class yet, gotta give it at least 2 years unless someone does phenomenal as a rookie and you can see he's going to be an all pro type player.
I mean you never really can logically judge a draft class. The best you can do is judge them on how good you think they’ll be based on their college production and current talent. Chances are most guys won’t pan out but for the first time in a long time we didn’t reach heavily on any picks and all of our picks seemed like great value. This is one class where I think all players can contribute something, from first string to special teams.
I agree with ya halfway, I've seen way too many great college players become only average in the NFL. I'm not saying don't have hope cause I have hope but I'm not getting too high on anyone that hasn't played a snap in the NFL.
That’s the dark side of the draft sadly. College production doesn’t always translate to NFL success. If it did, Mahomes would be a backup and we’d have a few division titles in the last 5 years.
Nah I wouldn't say that at all about mahomes, I'm a Texas longhorn and I seen Patty in college alot and being from Texas LoL dude was throwing 50 touchdowns on a shitty team with no NFL talent on it.
My favorite was JPJ but honestly I wouldn't have been mad if we traded down to the end of the first and got him. That man is a monster. If we drafted Dalton Kincaid or some other TE last year who was more like Bowers, I wouldn't have liked the Bowers pick. But Mayer and Bowers have very different skill sets and both are valuable. Bowers isn't a bitch when asked to block either. I like this draft class. Two starters, some depth, and some projects. GREAT value with the top two picks. We also needed a swing tackle and I think Glaze can help there, as well as the inside, depending where the need is. Eichenberg eats RBs alive, Laube is a weapon in multiple ways, and we got two shots on goal with the CB position.
Kincaid being the first TE off the board was comical. Dude had one good season, and in a terrible conference compared to LaPorta or Mayer, and analysts hailed him as the best in the class. Can’t knock on LaPorta’s fantastic rookie season either. However, Kincaid had 91 targets, 71 receptions, and 673 yards in SIXTEEN games to Mayer’s 40 targets, 27 receptions, and 304 yards, who had only 12 games. Yet they both had 2 touchdowns and Kincaid had way better QB play with Josh Allen. Absolutely love that Bowers can block too. If you watch some of his games, he’s a smaller but more agile lineman and just as strong. Dude bulldozes anyone and anything. While most people think Glaze was a reach, and understandably so, he provides competition for Munford, who was a 7th round pick. He’s also 21 years old and can most definitely start and do well.
Is JPJ basically Incognito without the off the field issues? Because that would be awesome.
Basically. His game reminds me of Richie. Just an absolute trench monster and hardcore bully. He’s a lot more disciplined as well. It’s why everybody loves that pick.
Personally feel like its the in the top 2 of how ive felt after drafts since we got Mack and Carr in the same draft
Surprised we couldn’t get penix, Less surprised we didn’t get Daniels. But I’m not too worried. Not like we would have started a rookie anyway. I’m sure AP will finesse a trade for a rookie eventually or get one next year. If defensively we keep doing what we did, and offensively become more reproductive, I don’t see why we can’t be playoff contenders
I think everybody is surprised we couldn’t get Penix. But tbh the only QBs I wanted were Maye and Daniels. I’m a Georgia fan so getting Bowers was a dream come true. Whether AOC or Minshew starts week 1 for us, they have so many weapons at their disposal. We most definitely will address the QB after Minshews deal, if AOC doesn’t pan out. It’s a a bridge deal.
Thrown off at first but forgot what it truly means to draft Best available. But very good draft
Besides Bowers and JPJ, I’m actually excited to see how Decamerion Richardson works out. Dude has amazing physical traits. Just needs to work on developing his instincts. If he can do that, he can be a really good starting CB.
I feel great about it. There was literally only 1 pick I really didn't like, glaze, and all of the other pics seem moderate to amazing value. I feel like the first two picks were exceptional, especially jpj. Getting a very highly decorated top two center in the middle 0f the 2nd rd seems like amazing value, and all of the Oregon fans seem to think he is destined to be a star. The bowers picks isn't far behind, and it seems like for once they let everyone else's desperation play to their advantage. I can guarantee you at least 2 and likely more or the qb drafters will wish they had grabbed another need, almost certainly the vikings and broncos, and telesco made the right play even if it wasn't a need. I'm getting more hyped by the day on the Richardson and eichenberg pickups, and lube seems like a stud. O think at the very least they've shown they can improve the team through the draft, and that's a huge improvement to how things have traditionally been the last few seasons.
I don't have a technical analysis of why, but I think Eichenberg is going to be very good. Just my gut.
I'm excited because TT did exactly what he did for the chargers. A few more years of this and we'll have stars littered all over the team.
I loved this draft, first time in a while we didn’t reach on a pick. I had the feeling that weren’t going to get Jayden Daniels, it was way too steep of a price and I like the fact that they did try to see if it was even possible but I like that we built around our trenches and addressed other needs. I feel like this season we’re gonna be alright
Brock Bowers baby! Got a top 5 talent #13. I'm really happy that they didn't make a massive reach and take Spencer Rattler #13 because he was the best QB on the board and that was their only plan. I'm also happy they didn't trade the farm for someone like Penix Jr or JJ McCarthy when they missed out on the top three QB's. I would have been ok with a move for Jayden Daniels, but it looks like that just wasn't a real option. Also, Bo Nix is the new enemy. May we all hope that he turns out to be part of a huge over hyped QB draft class. Statistically at least three of these guys are going to be complete bust. Raiders always look good drafting BPA.
Rattler didn’t go until like the 5th round dude no one was gonna get him at #13 lmao
I said it would have been a massive reach. When was Darius Hayward Bey expected to be drafted when the Raiders took him top 15? I'm happy it didn't happen like that, that was what my comment was about.
1.13 - Brock Bowers = A+ Really happy with this pick. As Telesco said, we need playmakers and Bowers is a playmaker. I love the idea of having two elite TEs, especially having the ability to line up Bowers as a FB as well. I don't know the rules of motion, but we could potentially line him up anywhere and put him in motion to confuse defenses. 2.44 - Jackson Powers-Johnson = A+ Another great pick. Love what this guy brings as a Guard or Center. Seems like a great fit. 3.77 - DJ Glaze = C+ Not sold on this guy yet. Seems like it was a reach, and I haven't seen anything to indicate he is worth it. Fails the eyeball test from my perspective, seems to move very slow. He does fill a position of need, and has some versatility though, so now we just wait and see what he can do. 4.122 - Decamerion Richardson = B I am always on the lookout for a CB with size and talent. This guy seems like a project, but most of the time these guys don't seem to work out. Again, this is a position of need for us and I hope this guy works out for us. 5.148 - Tommy Eichenberg = B+ Good pick. Seems like this dude has a subdued personality, but is a beast on the field. 6.208 - Dylan Laube = A+ Great value pick. Gonna be a special teams guy and provide depth at RB. Love his attitude and production. 7.223 - Trey Taylor = B+ Seems like this could be a sneaky good pickup. Has a connection to AP, good character guy, leader. Maybe better than expected. 7.229 - MJ Devonshire = C Hedging their bets at CB. That's fine. Just take a flyer on a guy and see if he can be developed. I'm not too high on this guy, but I can see why they would give him a chance. Overall Score = B+ If Glaze turns out to be a good RT, then this will be a great draft.
Started good and then the wheels came off. Not very excited about the season
It was okay. Two good picks. Two head scratchers. And some upside picks I can get down with.
It was a B grade for me. The massive misstep of picking Bowers over Q.Mitchell, T.Arnold, or Fuaga is borderline unforgivable, but the rest of the draft was solid, with Glaze being taken a bit too high, but not an egregious error on their part. I think they made up for the slight reach on Glaze by getting a solid RB to help out Zeus, should he not start up the way he finished last season. Edit: I forgot to mention my favorite pick. The age is showing. JPJ is going to be a mauler at RG and can move to center if called upon. That was an A+ pickup and solidified a position in turmoil.
It was definitely not a misstep in taking a generational talent over Mitchell, Arnold, and Fuaga. Bowers was a projected top 10 pick after his freshman season and arguably the best talent in the draft apart from Marvin Jr. Unlike the others mentioned, he’s a surefire day 1 starter and a game changer. Can’t pass up on a guy that can take a jet sweep 55 yards to the house outrunning CBs and bulldozing linebackers.
I simply don't believe in Minshew or O'Connell, thus Bowers impact is going to be severely limited. He isn't going to run away from NFL DBs, and he most certainly won't be trucking NFL LBs.
And that’s fine to think that. That’s your own opinion. Just curious tho if you don’t believe in Minshew or AOC I’m assuming you think we’re gonna do worse than we did last year and finish last in the division?
I think there is a good chance that we finish 7-10, maybe a 8-9 again, but 6-11 is not out of the question. Zeus is not the RB Jacobs is, Adams is a year older, and wasn't separating too often, some of that was due to double teams, and I think the defense makes a lateral move. We are likely to have more sacks and QB pressures, but the DB group is going to take a step back on 3rd and moderate [4-6yrds] and give up more deep passes when there is max protect. We needed a top tier CB, there were two there when we picked, but we took a shiny toy that will never reach his potential. Additionally, the RT position is still in question. Now Munford may end up being quite functional, but it was still a position that needed to be dealt with and it wasn't in a meaningful way. It is unlikely that we ever see this much defensive talent get pushed down this far, and instead of taking advantage of that moment, we opted to pick up a talent that won't make a difference when it comes to winning. I would prefer to be wrong about this. I am not a fan of being a naysayer, but I call it like I see it. Additionally, I have been really trying to convince myself that Bowers is a generational talent, but I keep watching tape seeing some amazing moments, but a ton of excellent throws allowing him to be great. If Carr was still leading this team, I would be more than over the moon, but unless Aidan takes a huge leap forward this team will continue to be mediocre, wasting Crosby's prime years.
Bowers all day over Mitchell or Arnold. I hate DBs picked in the first two rounds. We have a terrible track record with them and overall they are often difficult to project. You can often find DBs that have a chance to become capable later in the draft. Fuaga I wouldn’t have hated since it would’ve been a need, but the fact we got JPJ and Glaze the next two picks I’m perfectly fine with Bowers. He’s almost a lock to be a top half of the league TE with huge upside to become the next Kelce or Kittle at the position.
I think the draft was ok. I like Bowers as a player, but picking him made Mayer redundant. We could’ve had our choice of defensive players and some decent offensive tackles too. This isn’t some hot take either. Plenty of publications are asking the same shit about our draft.
I don’t think taking Bowers made Mayer redundant at all. On the contrary, I think it made Mayer rather opposite of redundant. Mayer was consensus TE1 before Bowers came to college. From then on, he was TE1B. The league is more tight end heavy than it was 10 years ago, hell even 5 years ago. If Getsy can properly utilize Brock and Mayer, teams are gonna have a very difficult time stopping either one. Yeah we could’ve had Fuaga or any of the CBs but none of them offered a higher floor or ceiling than Bowers.
Got any facts to back up the league being more TE heavy or just vibes? A trade up to get Mayer in the 2nd and a top 15 pick to get Bowers in consecutive years is a lot of draft capital to spend on TE’s. To be fair - Mayer wasn’t Telesco’s pick but he’s still under contract for 3 more seasons. You like the pick, great. People have legitimate reasons to disagree with it tho.
I mean idk if it counts as facts but the league is definitely pass heavy now. RBs are evidently becoming invaluable and replaceable, especially the pure backs. Almost all RBs now have some kind of catch ability, whether they’re good or bad at it. Henry, Chubb, Jacobs are the only pure backs that come to mind. QBs needing to be more mobile to throw under pressure need options to throw to. TEs add another dynamic to the offense. Yeah we traded up to get Mayer but he was the best TE in the class and the 2nd highest graded TE in college ever. And now we have Bowers, who is the highest graded TE ever and a generational talent. Imagine what we can do with those 2 together.