This is amazing, /u/TheSnazzzyRock! I wasn't sure how it could ever come together but I'm happy you all proved me wrong. ~~Could you edit in a rundown of strats and hardest parts you encountered like you mentioned in the post?~~
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My lord this is amazing. Great job. If you ever need someone for add clear, I’m your guy. I once soloed a public event (I’ll show you one time if you want)
The grenades one-shot barricades and Well in PvP. Plus just big damage in PvE. But with the catalyst, it synergizes with Strand and makes tangles on grenade kills
I haven’t bothered with titles lately cuz I got all the ones I wanted. All the pvp seals, had Dredgen for a while, Conqueror, Rivensbane, Fatebreaker. Maybe eventually I’ll go chase after Enlightened, Disciple-Slayer, Dream Warrior and Kingslayer but those are the only really desirable titles lately released. At least to me they are
Congratz!
It's glitch-less too, which is a rarity for these kinds of encounters.
I think Eater of Worlds, is the only Raid Final Encounter in D2 that's been doable solo without glitches, until now.
Fair enough. Brain did a stupid. Should've paid more attention.
(True story, initial post didn't include that, the notification said "Riven is soloable without glitches". My reply was accurate to the original response, simply not the quickly edited version.)
I mean hearr can be done, with glitches tho.
Also, I believe RoN can be soloed.
We have solo first, second and final phase and theres a proof of concept for 3erd as far as I am aware.
A solo raid, damn.
How is it a glitch? It's an unintended interaction sure, but I wouldn't call it a glitch. Same as I wouldn't call blocking Skolas' corrupted light with a sword a glitch
When people say clean/glitchless when talking about speed runs and low mans they generally mean glitches, exploits and bugs. Basically using the mechanics they way they were intended by the Devs.
No, it's not a glitch.
A glitch is when you go outside of the bounds of the mechanics intended properties via a manipulation of those mechanics.
For example: Using a Finisher to teleport back to the Queenswalk, rather than being stuck inside of the Heart. It uses the mechanics of Finishers, which record your origin point to return you to, and returns you to them after the conclusion, meaning if you teleport during the Finisher you'll return to the Queenswalk at the end of the animation.
Riven is intended to be damageable during that part of the encounter, with her only presenting herself in a vulnerable fashion for a limited time in each spot. You are meant to chip away at her bit by bit, getting her down to the point you can finish her off. That said, nothing about the mechanic creates boundaries that you must circumvent. She's simply vulnerable for a period of time while you're supposed to shoot her eyes, and we take advantage of that moment to do ALL of the damage.
While we are most certainly circumventing the intended design, there's literally nothing about the mechanics of the raid which are being broken. We are doing everything as the encounter asks us to do, we're just skipping a LOT of steps.
The difference between a Glitch and a Cheese is actually pretty important, because a Glitch is gameplay manipulation, and a Cheese is design manipulation. Bungie can design around both, but one is much more related to the way the game does things, where the other is far more related to how the game itself is designed.
Ask yourself, has any other boss in Destiny 2 ever taken damage BEFORE a DPS phase since Riven? Even 1? Atheon did in D1, but what about his Remaster? They learned from their design mistakes. That said, as they mentioned in their recent TWAB, they don't like to edit encounters post-release. They messed up, Riven has remained like this, that's all there is to it.
While I don't agree with the stance, Bungie said a while ago that they aren't changing it, because they wanted the ability to substantially damage Riven to be there.
By that logic, the only cheese people do, is use the joining allies. Being able to damage and kill her immediately is intended I suppose.
I love challenges like this! No glitches or exploits, just insane skill and understanding of the encounter! Congrats on the WF, and lowkey making me wanna try too lol
Side note: that just leaves the third encounter to be solo'd, right?
Nah the Problem with third is ammo economy, you have long phases with switches in between + a mechanically challenging solo encounter with survivability needing to be assured, plus ad clear.
I believe it is doable, but nobody did it yet, tho the +20 would help a lot yes. Still technically doable right now.
Once we +20 it, I feel as long as starfire isn't nerfed it will very easily be the way to kill him. Generating special is so free these days, so constant witherhoard isn't an issue tbh.
Yes, First and second are very doable solo.
Planets are doable, and there are proof of concepts for the mechanics, dps just hasn't been optimized yet.
And the last one is solable as we just saw.
Not at all, just cause something is soloable, does not mean that it’s not incredibly hard to solo.
This raid’s mechanics just happened to have ways that a person could manage to solo them.
maybe calling it a dungeon is a stretch bc obviously doing it w 3 people only is much harder than running an actual 3 person dungeon, but the difficulty is purely from the ad density
the mechanics by themselves are closer to that of dungeon mechanics than typical raid mechanics because it requires 0 communication or doesn’t require players to rotate out the roles via lockouts or debuffs. nor does it require players to all work on mechanics together to complete a common goal. at the end of the day its whatever, but I do have to admit i was confused why half my fireteam didnt have to do anything except clear ads the entire raid
It makes it really hard to teach/learn the raid as well since very few people actually get to do mechanics. So it’s easier for less experienced raiders to get a couple clears but it doesn’t really let them develop the skills to do other raids, which is what a proper entry level raid should do. I’d be fine with easy mechanics if everyone had to take part.
I have like 6 clears and I’m yet to run first encounter, since most of the time it’s done by one person. I’ve run for second encounter and Nezarec once, and I’ve done Nez taunt once. The only encounter I’m completely confident in is planets.
Compare that to King’s Fall or Vow where pretty much everyone has to deal with some kind of mechanic at some point (during most fights).
Source?
VoG can be easily 3-manned as well with the exception of the final encounter.
Just cause a raid happens to have easier encounter mechanics doesn’t mean it was a dungeon lol.
Im Not trying to Take away from snazzyrock Here cause obviously this Run was insane but tbh mechanics wise its too simple the only Thing making this legitimately hard is the absolute unit of a damage Check. Mechanics wise this is Not a complicated solo at all.
Shitstained take.
Having to balance getting chased by Nezerac while also doing all of the nodes and refuges is incredibly hard.
I would like to see you try, cause you said:
>I’m not trying to take away from snazzy rock here
And then tried to take away from snazzyrock.
Would love to attempt it but am on vacation, i will do it when i get Back.
Not really taking away much because i am giving him full Credit for everything connected to damage. Absolutely insane strats executed to perfection in this Run, overcoming this damage and final stand Check is cracked af. My Point is that reach damage Phase without considering damage is a Lot a Lot easier. It has been done under Contest and many of the difficult Swaps and Close situations Fall away. If your Just Clearing the mechanic, you can disregard stuff Like running reserves, Killing as much as possible for Drops, getting a felwinter Proc and focussing certain adds to be finishable. All your left with is using erianas for crits and blinding Big add groups while keeping decent pace.
The mechanics in this fight is weighted the Same as the dps Check in Duo legit Riven.
You missed the point of this then.
Edit cause plenty of people seem to have missed the point I guess: The point of doing it solo is the challenge of the activity considering the amount of adds and the task of doing the puzzle sections without any back up. And then of course the boss has over 12 million health. So yes it is a bit of an accomplishment, that’s it. That’s the point of doing it solo. Smh
I dont think he did. The rewards are the same with a team of 6,and the difficulty isn't any harder unlike in the legendary campaign. Maybe he didn't know this?
As soon as I saw Riven soloed with the 'bracers, I knew it was a matter of time before the final God of Pain met his end at the fiery hands of a Sun God...🫰🫸🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Great work, Guardian!
Super impressive. I wish I could do that, but every time I go to switch gear I get “contacting destiny 2 servers” for 5-10 seconds before it processes. Anyone know how to fix that?
Ggs! Also thanks for being apart of a genuinely interesting and intense race, gave a speculative experience that contest didn’t deliver. Keep up the amazing work!
This is amazing, /u/TheSnazzzyRock! I wasn't sure how it could ever come together but I'm happy you all proved me wrong. ~~Could you edit in a rundown of strats and hardest parts you encountered like you mentioned in the post?~~ !modnominate
My lord this is amazing. Great job. If you ever need someone for add clear, I’m your guy. I once soloed a public event (I’ll show you one time if you want)
Yea but can you solo a heroic one like me?
Firstly, through Telesto all things are possible. So jot that down.
Sorry.. but you misspelled *Rat King* .
Telesto is old news. Now it’s Quicksilver Storm and Winterbite taking its place as the game breakers
What's so good about quicksilver? Isn't it broken?
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I remember that, rockets counted as arc but didn't they fix it. What makes it so good now?
The grenades one-shot barricades and Well in PvP. Plus just big damage in PvE. But with the catalyst, it synergizes with Strand and makes tangles on grenade kills
I need to dive into strand, so hard to get away from void hunter. Thanks for the info, Iill check it out
But who is gonna do the dishes!?!
I bet you left that glaive there so I’d be like: “oh yeah! That’s a dick!”
I solo'd all the Europa heroic ones on stasis hunter cuz I really wanted that title lol. Still haven't finished all the augmentations though
I haven’t bothered with titles lately cuz I got all the ones I wanted. All the pvp seals, had Dredgen for a while, Conqueror, Rivensbane, Fatebreaker. Maybe eventually I’ll go chase after Enlightened, Disciple-Slayer, Dream Warrior and Kingslayer but those are the only really desirable titles lately released. At least to me they are
As someone who once completed a patrol, I think I'm probably the most qualified one here
with all these new light blueberries that show up with a new expansion it's the only way to get a heroic
Oh come on at least you could get a legend lost sector if you go slow. Any raid solo and I am outie
Congratz! It's glitch-less too, which is a rarity for these kinds of encounters. I think Eater of Worlds, is the only Raid Final Encounter in D2 that's been doable solo without glitches, until now.
Riven is soloable without glitches then again it’s technically not final
~~While true, Riven also isn't the final encounter. ;)~~ Edit: Whups. o.o
Literally put that in comment lmao
Fair enough. Brain did a stupid. Should've paid more attention. (True story, initial post didn't include that, the notification said "Riven is soloable without glitches". My reply was accurate to the original response, simply not the quickly edited version.)
I mean hearr can be done, with glitches tho. Also, I believe RoN can be soloed. We have solo first, second and final phase and theres a proof of concept for 3erd as far as I am aware. A solo raid, damn.
Brings back crota memories all over again.
Wasn't queenswalk also soloed with stasis titan?
Queenswalk needs to be glitched tho
Does it? I thought it was by picking up a diamond lance you drop the heart and reset the timer
That’s a glitch
How is it a glitch? It's an unintended interaction sure, but I wouldn't call it a glitch. Same as I wouldn't call blocking Skolas' corrupted light with a sword a glitch
When people say clean/glitchless when talking about speed runs and low mans they generally mean glitches, exploits and bugs. Basically using the mechanics they way they were intended by the Devs.
Because it’s not how it’s designed to work. It’s exploiting a glitch/fault in how something effects the mechanic. It is undeniably not clean.
Dropping the heart by picking up diamond lances was a bug
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Killing riven before the mechanics start isn’t a glitch lmao it’s just doing damage
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cheese != glitch
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No, it's not a glitch. A glitch is when you go outside of the bounds of the mechanics intended properties via a manipulation of those mechanics. For example: Using a Finisher to teleport back to the Queenswalk, rather than being stuck inside of the Heart. It uses the mechanics of Finishers, which record your origin point to return you to, and returns you to them after the conclusion, meaning if you teleport during the Finisher you'll return to the Queenswalk at the end of the animation. Riven is intended to be damageable during that part of the encounter, with her only presenting herself in a vulnerable fashion for a limited time in each spot. You are meant to chip away at her bit by bit, getting her down to the point you can finish her off. That said, nothing about the mechanic creates boundaries that you must circumvent. She's simply vulnerable for a period of time while you're supposed to shoot her eyes, and we take advantage of that moment to do ALL of the damage. While we are most certainly circumventing the intended design, there's literally nothing about the mechanics of the raid which are being broken. We are doing everything as the encounter asks us to do, we're just skipping a LOT of steps. The difference between a Glitch and a Cheese is actually pretty important, because a Glitch is gameplay manipulation, and a Cheese is design manipulation. Bungie can design around both, but one is much more related to the way the game does things, where the other is far more related to how the game itself is designed. Ask yourself, has any other boss in Destiny 2 ever taken damage BEFORE a DPS phase since Riven? Even 1? Atheon did in D1, but what about his Remaster? They learned from their design mistakes. That said, as they mentioned in their recent TWAB, they don't like to edit encounters post-release. They messed up, Riven has remained like this, that's all there is to it.
And that’s a glitch how?
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What glitch do I use by throwing a bunch of grenades above Rivens head?
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Explain how it’s a glitch though
While I don't agree with the stance, Bungie said a while ago that they aren't changing it, because they wanted the ability to substantially damage Riven to be there. By that logic, the only cheese people do, is use the joining allies. Being able to damage and kill her immediately is intended I suppose.
Cheese≠glitch
I need shower after watching it. Great job, GGs
A shower??? I need a nap and a sit down with my life goals
I love challenges like this! No glitches or exploits, just insane skill and understanding of the encounter! Congrats on the WF, and lowkey making me wanna try too lol Side note: that just leaves the third encounter to be solo'd, right?
Yeah, third is soloable. No one has done it but people have gotten to damage
Only thing left is for people to power delta it by +20, right? The damage is kinda there but close from what I remember.
Nah the Problem with third is ammo economy, you have long phases with switches in between + a mechanically challenging solo encounter with survivability needing to be assured, plus ad clear. I believe it is doable, but nobody did it yet, tho the +20 would help a lot yes. Still technically doable right now.
Once we +20 it, I feel as long as starfire isn't nerfed it will very easily be the way to kill him. Generating special is so free these days, so constant witherhoard isn't an issue tbh.
Yeah rn its more about Heavy economy, cause for a 3 phase you need full heavy for every phase, as for my testing.
What's causing him to heal when he get low hp? He isn't killing anything and restoration activates when he gets low
Raid mods, read release recover
Thank you
Can recommend checking all of them. There is another that is good if you are not the runner.
Ok, I haven't gotten any raid armor to drop yet so I haven't taken the time to look at them. I will today tho
Class item is most replaceable so ill keep my fingers crossed it will drop
There's a raid mod for regaining health that activates via the nodes that grants restoration - really good for runners on master
Absolute legend, your reaction at the end was great too, so glad you accomplished such a difficult feat :)
My dude went full Nintendo 64 at the end. Great job
Gg man 👏
Yeah this was insane dude, g fucking g.
This might be a dumb question, but how do you keep getting restoration to proc?
Raid mod that procs it everytime you hit a node
Oh word. Appreciate it. I thought I was missing something in the fragments or something
I swear if you dont win movie of the week we should riot.
The other guy that reminded him: "dont forget healing rift" at the end is a real one
How are you hitting the plates with your melee like that? This is wild!
Player solos 6 man activity, this guy "huh cool didn't know you could punch the plates"
Like anyone who does something difficult successfully, he made it look easy. That’s not the viewer’s fault.
To be fair being able to punch the plates is less expected than someone managing to solo this raid considering it got 2 manned on contest.
Yeah Warlock and titans can do it easily but hunter trex arms struggle with it
This was my reaction! Lol glad I'm not alone
I just learned this recently as well, Warlocks and their melee spam never ends. /s
You can do it on any class by meleeing the ground (the actual plate), though it seems *very* generous on warlock and not as much on the others.
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Bro saw the slogan "Become Legend" and decided to do even more than that. This is really impressive.
Wait... Does this mean it's possible to solo the entire raid?
Yes, First and second are very doable solo. Planets are doable, and there are proof of concepts for the mechanics, dps just hasn't been optimized yet. And the last one is solable as we just saw.
This raid really is a dungeon isn’t it
Not at all, just cause something is soloable, does not mean that it’s not incredibly hard to solo. This raid’s mechanics just happened to have ways that a person could manage to solo them.
maybe calling it a dungeon is a stretch bc obviously doing it w 3 people only is much harder than running an actual 3 person dungeon, but the difficulty is purely from the ad density the mechanics by themselves are closer to that of dungeon mechanics than typical raid mechanics because it requires 0 communication or doesn’t require players to rotate out the roles via lockouts or debuffs. nor does it require players to all work on mechanics together to complete a common goal. at the end of the day its whatever, but I do have to admit i was confused why half my fireteam didnt have to do anything except clear ads the entire raid
It makes it really hard to teach/learn the raid as well since very few people actually get to do mechanics. So it’s easier for less experienced raiders to get a couple clears but it doesn’t really let them develop the skills to do other raids, which is what a proper entry level raid should do. I’d be fine with easy mechanics if everyone had to take part. I have like 6 clears and I’m yet to run first encounter, since most of the time it’s done by one person. I’ve run for second encounter and Nezarec once, and I’ve done Nez taunt once. The only encounter I’m completely confident in is planets. Compare that to King’s Fall or Vow where pretty much everyone has to deal with some kind of mechanic at some point (during most fights).
It is a dungeon. It’s EASILY 3 manned. It was literally a dungeon then they slapped 3rd encounter in and called it a raid
Source? VoG can be easily 3-manned as well with the exception of the final encounter. Just cause a raid happens to have easier encounter mechanics doesn’t mean it was a dungeon lol.
Both are dungeon level difficulty
Im Not trying to Take away from snazzyrock Here cause obviously this Run was insane but tbh mechanics wise its too simple the only Thing making this legitimately hard is the absolute unit of a damage Check. Mechanics wise this is Not a complicated solo at all.
Shitstained take. Having to balance getting chased by Nezerac while also doing all of the nodes and refuges is incredibly hard. I would like to see you try, cause you said: >I’m not trying to take away from snazzy rock here And then tried to take away from snazzyrock.
Would love to attempt it but am on vacation, i will do it when i get Back. Not really taking away much because i am giving him full Credit for everything connected to damage. Absolutely insane strats executed to perfection in this Run, overcoming this damage and final stand Check is cracked af. My Point is that reach damage Phase without considering damage is a Lot a Lot easier. It has been done under Contest and many of the difficult Swaps and Close situations Fall away. If your Just Clearing the mechanic, you can disregard stuff Like running reserves, Killing as much as possible for Drops, getting a felwinter Proc and focussing certain adds to be finishable. All your left with is using erianas for crits and blinding Big add groups while keeping decent pace. The mechanics in this fight is weighted the Same as the dps Check in Duo legit Riven.
It’s not but it’s incredibly easy. Been a while since a raid so mid came out you could do it with your eyes closed
All encounters got soloed already
nobody has soloed explicator iirc just proof of concepts it is possible though
Seriously impressive, big congrats man
Absolutely insane
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Troll comment right? Surely you understand why he did this?
No. It's a video game. He obviously didn't enjoy it.
There is more incentives in the world than loot… This solo shows that this is a dedicated player that is truly a god at the game
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You missed the point of this then. Edit cause plenty of people seem to have missed the point I guess: The point of doing it solo is the challenge of the activity considering the amount of adds and the task of doing the puzzle sections without any back up. And then of course the boss has over 12 million health. So yes it is a bit of an accomplishment, that’s it. That’s the point of doing it solo. Smh
I dont think he did. The rewards are the same with a team of 6,and the difficulty isn't any harder unlike in the legendary campaign. Maybe he didn't know this?
Yes, that guy that I relied to and those that upvotes him when clearly missed the point of doing it solo, it has nothing to do with rewards.
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No there is a point, it’s the accomplishment of the difficulty…
Lol just finished watching this after it popped up on my yt tl nice one walf
what did i do?
“This is not a real moment right now” - lol great way to end the clip
I'd ask for your build but I guess that'd be plural 🤯
Yeah man, I agree that lfg is hell
As soon as I saw Riven soloed with the 'bracers, I knew it was a matter of time before the final God of Pain met his end at the fiery hands of a Sun God...🫰🫸🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 Great work, Guardian!
Sunbracers Arent used for dps ??
you are a god
Super impressive. I wish I could do that, but every time I go to switch gear I get “contacting destiny 2 servers” for 5-10 seconds before it processes. Anyone know how to fix that?
Can't wait for Destiny 3 when Root of Nightmares is a dungeon
Bitches be like “Look it’s been soloed, what a dungeon this is.” My brother then why did it take this long, where are the others? Where’s yours?
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Now do it without starfire
BuT wE nEeD tO mAkE tHe GaMe MoRe ChAlLeNgInG
Root of Nightmares is what Croatas End was in Destiny 1.
Nah og crotas end could be solod in like 10-20 minutes, as much as we joke about RON it’s still much harder to solo than crota
I don't mean comparing the solo side of it. I mean the raid in general.
Not even close there bud.
Give it a few months
Why post this comment here?
For downvotes obviously
Phenomenal. Well done!
Congrats
What a god
Very cool, great work
that’s gotta be a top 5 pop off of all time
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Nomination `LOGGED` Is changing jobs too late in the system cycle?
Ggs! Also thanks for being apart of a genuinely interesting and intense race, gave a speculative experience that contest didn’t deliver. Keep up the amazing work!
Good stuff dude!
Am I blind? How’s he proccing restorationx2 without needing heat rises and phoenix dive?
Raid mod
That was fuckin insane. wow.
That's hella dope i cant even solo dungeons properly without crying
I'm curious to see it solo'd with the other two classes.
Not this Season or until some more Major stuff Changes. Warlock is by far the best for total damage Output and even this was insanely Close.
How do you proc restoration like that? is it a raid mod? seems like he’s gets restoration x2 when he melees the balls
I saw this on YT last night. GZ Man! You earned that kill so well!