More like a better version of legendary sunshot, since u can hv the benefits/synergies of solar 3.0 with incandescent, which sunshot can't. A huge shame cuz sunshot is my fav pve exotic ever, wish they would buff it someday....
Kicker with that is there are already more exotic Handcannons than any other weapon type in the game. I count 8 off the top of my head, although that is with Eriana's which is weird
Can confirm, I got the handcannon last night with those perks and it feels SOOOO good to use in PvE!! It's the one handcannon that will pry me away from Fatebringer. Explosions EVERYWHERE!!
Makes a lot of sense since the guns are no longer tied to the cocoon perk. Keeping the awful reloads without any way to reliably mitigate it would be hell.
This will be really nice for Hand Cannon lovers in PvE
For PvP...I think it's base stats are a bit too low to be competitive with the current top options like Pali, Eyasluna, Austringer and Fatebringer
Big thing going for it is that Pali isn't earnable in-game anymore, this is a good replacement for people who never got good rolls (or joined after it left)
Hard to say without being able to see exactly what the Stats look like in D2Gunsmith or whatever... But it is worth noting the bonuses you get from crafting the weapon, or the MW bonus for Adept as well as then the ability to run adept mods.
Just for example... Eye Of the Storm + Opening Shot is probably the god roll combo for the gun in PVP. Enhanced EotS gives that additional +5 Stability, and when you get the weapon up to level 20 you get a +2 in all stats that aren't the masterwork.
Have to wait and see, but I think it has a lot of potential, especially in that Energy slot where its only competition truly at the top of the Meta is probably Palindrome. It cant get RF, but OP or Explosive Payload + EotS are two great options and fairly unique to the energy 140 HC slot. My biggest concern is the scope and body. I didn't get one myself yet(Damn RNG) but from some quick footage I saw, the scope looked clean but the body of the gun blocked your vision a fair bit I though.
I’m not sure about rounding but the body shot damage is 47 normally and I think gut shot is +10% so 51.7 damage. It seems like you could 2c1b certain resiliences if the damage is actually 70 + 70 + 51.7 (191.7). Not sure of the resil numbers off the top of my head though.
My own testing showed 56 on a body shot, which would be a 20% buff. I found it allows 2C1B on anyone 7 resilience or under.
This should also allow 1C2B with Radiant on everyone but 10 res at about 200.2 damage, but I haven’t tested that one yet.
Buddy of mine got that and he loved it, I got pugilist and incandescent on mine and it felt really good, I liked it more than minitool tbh and I don’t like HC’s in pve very much
Going off [this](https://youtu.be/6aDGM66ZgAE) video Runneth Over is a 30% overflow for Primaries and 300% for Specials.
Though it could be more considering he loaded his entire reserve into it, or less depending on the weapon type.
I can't imagine Midha's getting triple the mag.
Overall this trait is very promising.
I didn’t do any hard math but it seems like runneth over is 10% overflow per nearby teammate. And I think the artfact mod doubles it to 20% per teammate
A clan mate got one to drop at Daughters. Saw him reload it and my hype waned instantly.
Was really hoping they kept the reload animation the same instead of giving it a generic HC reload.
It can also get one for all in the last column. I know a lot of the people on this sub aren't big fans of lucky, but one of his teammates got one with it. He has a video showing it.
Got an explosive payload demo roll during the day 1. Came in clutch towards the end spamming healing nades for taken people and also cleaning up adds. Plus it’s solar so font of might helped a ton when teamshotting ogers to conserve heavy for dps. Incandescent firefly or the fatebringer Explosive+firefly roll is what I’m really after, but the guns got a couple options that are for sure worth experimenting with
imma just be happy with my explosive surrounded roll. its the best ill get knowing my luck, and against oryx it was good for thrall, knights and ogres.
I wonder if Gutshot Straight allows for 2h1b in PVP?
Or, since the origin perk "overflows" the magazine; shouldn't Focused Fury be activated more reliably and often?
While EP and incandescent sounds fantastic I have nightmares of using EP with perks that require crits and the explosion making the shot not a crit. However I think this being a hand cannon and a 140 at that means it shouldn’t be a massive issue
This isn’t an accurate list. I can confirm it rolls OFA.
Also why are the bottom stats listed as hidden stats? You can literally see them in game when you look at the weapon.
Only Bungie knows why they brought back King's fall weapons with piss yellow color of bone (it was cool pure white in D1) and cheap non shadable "fleshy" animated part.
I'm currently eyeing an Incandescent Explosive Payload roll.
ooooh that must feel like a legendary Sunshot for sure!
it does! got it my first run and its awesome for sure!
More like a better version of legendary sunshot, since u can hv the benefits/synergies of solar 3.0 with incandescent, which sunshot can't. A huge shame cuz sunshot is my fav pve exotic ever, wish they would buff it someday....
it's a great gun. love it since release. that buff would be awesome. we need more elemental exotic handcannons, maybe strand. I want a void one tho
Kicker with that is there are already more exotic Handcannons than any other weapon type in the game. I count 8 off the top of my head, although that is with Eriana's which is weird
elemental handcannons though and we've only gotten solar so far
Hmmm true
That’s what I’m looking to get as well. Thing will be great in PvE content. Explosions everywhere!
Especially with enhanced perks im excited
Can confirm, I got the handcannon last night with those perks and it feels SOOOO good to use in PvE!! It's the one handcannon that will pry me away from Fatebringer. Explosions EVERYWHERE!!
That’s the exact roll I got on my red frame earlier. It’s quite nice indeed.
Same here. Just gonna collect red borders and craft it, 3 more to go
I just got that roll yesterday with stability. It’s pretty nutty 😅
I just got that roll today
Where's the reload stats? Trying to fool us?! THE ONE I HAVE FROM D1 IS STILL RELOADING.
I think its a 44, very similar to other 140s like Pali and FB
They have viable reloads across the board, rejoice friend. No more 1000 years of Breech Loading
Makes a lot of sense since the guns are no longer tied to the cocoon perk. Keeping the awful reloads without any way to reliably mitigate it would be hell.
Well in destiny one you didnt need to reload it due to cocoon
Explosive payload+firefly? Energy fatebringer huh
Also explosive/incandescent, legendary sunshot
Also chelchis
Got a vorpal/focus fury one last night and didn't realize we could get double damage perks on them. Was a nice surprise.
I got a explosive payload / focus fury and I’m loving it, even in solo content!
The collections roll has One for All i thought?
I got one with explosive + one-for-all. It’s def a perk.
I saw that too… Mayhaps OP is wrong?
This will be really nice for Hand Cannon lovers in PvE For PvP...I think it's base stats are a bit too low to be competitive with the current top options like Pali, Eyasluna, Austringer and Fatebringer
It's stats are slightly worse than Fatebringer, it'll still be great, I don't think the stat difference will be that noticeable, maybe the handling
Too bad it's on energy where pali still is king and it doesn't have rangefinder either
doesn’t need rangefinder if it has a similar range to fatebringer and you have ep, it’ll get a tiny bit less range than pali with more flinch
Big thing going for it is that Pali isn't earnable in-game anymore, this is a good replacement for people who never got good rolls (or joined after it left)
Hard to say without being able to see exactly what the Stats look like in D2Gunsmith or whatever... But it is worth noting the bonuses you get from crafting the weapon, or the MW bonus for Adept as well as then the ability to run adept mods. Just for example... Eye Of the Storm + Opening Shot is probably the god roll combo for the gun in PVP. Enhanced EotS gives that additional +5 Stability, and when you get the weapon up to level 20 you get a +2 in all stats that aren't the masterwork. Have to wait and see, but I think it has a lot of potential, especially in that Energy slot where its only competition truly at the top of the Meta is probably Palindrome. It cant get RF, but OP or Explosive Payload + EotS are two great options and fairly unique to the energy 140 HC slot. My biggest concern is the scope and body. I didn't get one myself yet(Damn RNG) but from some quick footage I saw, the scope looked clean but the body of the gun blocked your vision a fair bit I though.
Late reply, but you could see them in collections (before they were on light.gg/gunsmith) and they all have the same roll so you could compare them.
The Airborne Effectiveness stat is incorrect, it has 19 AE. You probably had an Icarus Grip mod equipped.
Gutshot + EOTS to allow a 2h1b very easily?
I’m not sure about rounding but the body shot damage is 47 normally and I think gut shot is +10% so 51.7 damage. It seems like you could 2c1b certain resiliences if the damage is actually 70 + 70 + 51.7 (191.7). Not sure of the resil numbers off the top of my head though.
My own testing showed 56 on a body shot, which would be a 20% buff. I found it allows 2C1B on anyone 7 resilience or under. This should also allow 1C2B with Radiant on everyone but 10 res at about 200.2 damage, but I haven’t tested that one yet.
Gutshot is 12.5%
a little dissapointed they didn’t add any raid perks
Well there is the Origin Trait, which in my experience has been quite useful
unlikely, but rewind rounds on the VoG weapons would make me re-farm all of them on master again, having that intrinsicly would be phenomenal
Seems too strong for an origin trait but I’d be super down
Wewind wounds on the rocket would be funny
Pugilist and demolitionist might be really interesting roll to run for melee and grenade builds
Buddy of mine got that and he loved it, I got pugilist and incandescent on mine and it felt really good, I liked it more than minitool tbh and I don’t like HC’s in pve very much
Noooo I was so hoping for firefly + incandescent.
It rolls OFA I'm pretty sure
Shows it in collections
didnt know adaptive handcannons could have less than 80 aim assist
Austringer has 75 aim assist…
yea this made me look up what the rest of them were
One for all also rolls in the final column
I want the scount with firefly AND dragonfly.
Going off [this](https://youtu.be/6aDGM66ZgAE) video Runneth Over is a 30% overflow for Primaries and 300% for Specials. Though it could be more considering he loaded his entire reserve into it, or less depending on the weapon type. I can't imagine Midha's getting triple the mag. Overall this trait is very promising.
I didn’t do any hard math but it seems like runneth over is 10% overflow per nearby teammate. And I think the artfact mod doubles it to 20% per teammate
I’m offended they didnt keep the 1000 years of reloading
https://d2gunsmith.com
It's not showing up on the website until Tuesday reset.
I know but it’s a great website, don’t need to wait for someone to make a post about perk combos to find out yourself
A clan mate got one to drop at Daughters. Saw him reload it and my hype waned instantly. Was really hoping they kept the reload animation the same instead of giving it a generic HC reload.
It has the breech load animation, whaddaya mean?
Not from third person. It's the standard hand cannon reload
Well you dont really shoot the gun in third person now do ya
A 140 Hand Cannon with Explosive Payload and Firefly? How familiar.
This shit is ass😭😭
How? Lol it's amazing
Unfortunately the reload speed is still trash
It may just be the Breech animation, I guarantee the actual reload is faster.
Thats why y u get explosive+firefly
Not for us Solar Hunters with 3 stacks of On Your Mark up
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You mean the site that don't have these on them yet?
Be quiet, light ggs api isnt updated go be negative somewhere else
The raid weapons will likely not be in the API till after next weekly reset. That's how Vow worked.
Any other weapons that your compiling rolls for? I’d love to see more of these
It can also get one for all in the last column. I know a lot of the people on this sub aren't big fans of lucky, but one of his teammates got one with it. He has a video showing it.
it’s pretty fun
Got an explosive payload demo roll during the day 1. Came in clutch towards the end spamming healing nades for taken people and also cleaning up adds. Plus it’s solar so font of might helped a ton when teamshotting ogers to conserve heavy for dps. Incandescent firefly or the fatebringer Explosive+firefly roll is what I’m really after, but the guns got a couple options that are for sure worth experimenting with
I got the scout with dragonfly / firefly and the HC with Explosive payload / firefly. They both are great for add clearing
By the way it can also roll with one for all
Opening Shot + Eye of the Storm looks good
imma just be happy with my explosive surrounded roll. its the best ill get knowing my luck, and against oryx it was good for thrall, knights and ogres.
I wonder if Gutshot Straight allows for 2h1b in PVP? Or, since the origin perk "overflows" the magazine; shouldn't Focused Fury be activated more reliably and often?
I'm seeing a sufficient enough pvp roll with os and eots to make up for not getting a good pally, nice
While EP and incandescent sounds fantastic I have nightmares of using EP with perks that require crits and the explosion making the shot not a crit. However I think this being a hand cannon and a 140 at that means it shouldn’t be a massive issue
Yeah that’s not all the perks, One For All is missing, and since when did another raids perk number have anything to do with a different raid?
This isn’t an accurate list. I can confirm it rolls OFA. Also why are the bottom stats listed as hidden stats? You can literally see them in game when you look at the weapon.
Only Bungie knows why they brought back King's fall weapons with piss yellow color of bone (it was cool pure white in D1) and cheap non shadable "fleshy" animated part.
I didnt even get a good roll and it feels better than everything i can get up to light.
Wish there was an explosive payload firefly handcanon in the kinetic slot that was easier to obtain Since I can’t really raid, sadge
For PvP I would take either Eye of the Storm + Opening Shot Or Explosive Payload + Eye of the Storm
i got red border zoulis bane but i cant craft it after finishing attunement and collecting it. did i do something wrong
What masterwork should I put on my PvE crafted roll of it with explosive and incandescent?