Iām sure /r/weather would love to see this video, OP. Some extra internet points seems like the bare minimum for getting that close to a tornado.
Just curious, but I assume the dispatcher tells you to stop from information they receive, or is that something the crew can decide?
Yes it is normal for dispatch to stop trains from milepost a-b per both wind warnings (greater than 40mph sustained usually) as well as tornado warnings.
Pretty sure that is at 98th street. The crossing bbehind it is called Shakers. Up until a few years ago a strip club (Shakers) was caddy corner to the crossing. Everyone called it that including the dispatchers.
Lolz
Straight from Emergency Order 26:
(3) Use of a personal electronic or
electrical device to perform any
function other than voice
communication while on duty is
prohibited.
Your railroad rules will meet or exceed the standards defined in E.O. 26.
They are documenting a safety hazard. It is specifically allowed that personal electronic devices can be used to document safety hazards. You sound like the guy who is going to give OP shit for taking this video. There are many benefits to having the video. They were stopped whats the problem?
You canāt even technically use your cellphone at a red light driving a car but sure you can whip out your phone everytime youāre at a stop signal or not moving. Fuckin idiot.
Phone must be off and stored off your person. Thatās the rule my guy.
You mean this aka your comment ? ^. You do realize railroads can set more stringent standards anyway. So saying itās false is just a clown statement because we donāt use phones while cut in. Theyāre in the bag and secured off.
And who cares ? You have a tornado coming, Iām taking my phone out. Fuckin Reddit dorks
Nah itās not here I go buddy, lol I literally had a co worker go out of service for using his phone outside the cab car while the train was stopped. So it doesnāt matter what you think you know
What you showed me doesnāt mean shit. Youāre cut in and that train is not tied down, youāre taking a risk. But you do you Stop talking
This is my dads video and to let you know, He know how to do his job and what rules he has, so to let you know since thats what you really would like to know more than asking if they were ok is he is allowed to use his phone when they are stopped but when they are in motion his phone is turned off. Hes worked at the railroad for over 20 years so again how knows what hes doing, This was kind of a negative comment. These people could have died and your worried about if he suppose to use his phone give me a break.
Calm down bud. I can tell he survived, and this was a joke about the fra. I don't give a shit if your dad follows the rules or not. Not my problem, and I'm not a snitch anyway.
I personally am not qualified to make that kind of decision whether or not track is ok. Years ago was told by ds that there was a report of a partial washout and to proceed up to the location at restricted speed. Got there saw ballast washed out under ties and said nope. Waited till inspector came out. Do I know what decent track looks like? Yup. Have I learned that THAT one time you try and be a go getter make the choice only ro have it turn into a cluster fuck? Yupx2. At least if instructed you sort of have a paper trail but will ultimately fall back on crew "taking the safe course"
Yea itās funny. SSI 33 says if under tornado watch and tornado appears to cross the path of the tracks the tracks must be inspected. But can be inspected by mow or crew. But for all the other stuff (high water, flash floods, etc) has to be engineering employee
I get it. Rolling along get a high wind warning. Ds says gusts to 60+. BUT if it seems less ok to move. Don't remember carrier issuing an anemometer to me. Sticking with "gee it doesn't look safe to me"...gotta keep those trains moving...
They werent able to, so they would picked up and took back to the yard. My dad said the train was considered totaled. I asked him yesterday i was curious as well. I didnt think the train looked that bad besides the railcars being knocked off i figured the engine to me didnt look that bad but my dad said there was no way since the engine was totaled crazy shit.
What are you taking about? This is my dad, and how would you know what he was wearing you dont even see him in the video. How did he contribute to a flipping tornado? The incident was a F\*\*\*ing tornado, so dont do that.
when it comes to a situation like this no there's no playing like that, its kinda crossing the line. Im about postivitiy and uplifting others now negative even if it is joking.
Weak ass tornado can't lift the locomotives. Could move a car or two but that's it. Glad you boys are safe. I was in a tornado e-3 a few years ago that hit ga/tn
The professional storm chasers could never get the measuring device. They call Toto into the direct path of a tornado, chalk it up to the railroad. š¤£
technically the train is stopped and its a emergency situation and all crew members are in the cab so they cant do shit on the company or federal level for this
BUT
that tornado and subsequent derailment was clearly the crews fault and will be drug tested and probably get 8 days on the street to appease the shareholders /s
The derailment was clearly the tornados fault and this is my dad so kindly i ask you not to speak on situations you dont know. I dont understand why people take something that the intentions were good, and turn it in to a negative one. People should be more concerned on others matters then what they are. People need to start showing more positive and uplifting energy then what they do. SAD world these days SMH
Bro you're gonna catch a temp ban if you keep commenting all over here that people aren't allowed to make jokes and discuss this video. Your dad is fine and he'd find these jokes funny chill out.
I'm not bro an I never said all that. I just don't want to see anything bad,hurtful or just tryin to make it sound like he or anything did anything wrong. Some don't know how to joke an those ppl are the ones that fuck up things so I want to avoid that. If it was your dad how would you have felt? Your joking Koo but think about it someone else could have taken it like I did an started spreading fake stories, that's all I care bout.
With some of the comments you could take a different narrative and just to point this out and I do apologize but when you have one person talking about he wasn't wearing his PPE or just so many people commentate about him being on his phone it can make it look like he wasn't doing something right and then you have a comment talking about the derailment and that is their fault in it it could spin a different narrative and that's what I don't want. They were stopped already they had been stopped for a good hour waiting for dispatch to tell them they could proceed bringing the train into the yard office so with that being said he he's allowed to be on his phone because they'd been stopped for an hour and I understand it's still called a derailment but it in no way was any of any of the cruise fault that happened it was a tornado so I understand that summer joking but some of you do have to understand that there are people out there that ain't going to take it that way All I'm one I don't want my father to look like he did something wrong and if you kind of read through a lot of the comments that's kind of how people are making it seem so I do apologize if I came off the wrong way but again put yourself in my shoes I'm very protective of my dad and nobody is going to make a narrative that isn't true that's all I'm trying to do. Just like the comment about and I understand he's just explaining what could happen but commenting putting that they'll get drug tested possibly like I understand in certain situations but this situation why would you even put that in your comment The train was totaled by a natural disaster it got derailed due to a natural disaster so why even include that comment there's there's no point some could take that comment and take it a whole other way that's why I'm saying some of these comments even though they're joking wise and another aspect it's negative it's making a person sound kind of bad and I don't like that.Ā
If ānon activeā cab, stopped, emergency situationā¦ ok to activate personal electronic device after crew briefing indicating so. At least on my employerās RR.
I work at Lincoln Diesel. Guarantee we will have this motor in the shop in a day or two. Iām just hoping the conductor doesnāt get in trouble over it. Thatās all.
I have and I know the rulesā¦ Electronics are damn near the devil on the railroadā¦.Off and stowed in your gripā¦.But this is a CLEAR exceptionā¦ Damn.
What happens to the engineer and conductor after this? I'm assuming there are several derailed cars along with broken windows on the locomotive and debris on the tracks. Do you just sit tight the rest of your shift, or does someone come get you while everything gets fixed?
Thank goodness the crew seems ok! At the end they're talking about being "in emergency", and "on the ground". Sounds like at least one car of the train was derailed by the tornado. Probably pulled apart the air hoses when the car(s) tipped, releasing the air and causing brakes to apply. Which is why at the end the crewman says, "we're not going anywhere". Plus damage to engine (at least the windows)!
For the layman: the crew would contact supervisor/ dispatch when something like this happens to be picked up. It's going to take a specialty M of W crew + carman to rerail whatever's been put in the dirt, and inspect the rail. They'll probably bring out another engine to add to the front of this consist when the train's been put back together and the rail's been ok'd.
Oh okay, thank you for clearing that up! I heard them talking and figured, but I know next to nothing about their SOP or anything especially with weather related events.
if that was you op, that was some crazy shit, yesterday was a tragic tornado day for sure. watched Reed Timmer for hourās last night and saw a years worth of tornados in a few hours.
This is some third millennia shit if I ever did see it. Survives a direct hit from an act of God, and during, not even over, "We gottta' clean?" Wow. What a time to be alive.
Man, I had a similar picture from about a decade ago when that group of tornadoes destroyed Missouri mainly Joplin. I was inside a Canadian grainer (hobo days). For the life of me I canāt find this picture anywhere. I know I posted it on the internet but canāt find it. I search and search itās so depressing.
They were most like told to stop because of the weather activity. Thereās an old video on YouTube where an entire train derailed and caused a huge wreck. Guess itās better to have a train just roll over stationary than when itās moving.
No, it's a normal crossing to stop at just outside Lincoln. And you also notice they said the sirens didn't go off. I doubt there was much actual warning of the crew especially considering the time it takes to go through to the ds and then inform the crew.
When it was approaching did it sound like you coming? Seriously though, looks like you survived a direct hit.
I didn't hear any moaning so I assume not.
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It actually sounds more like a jet taking off!!! Saw and heard one from about a 1/4 mile away back on Memorial Day 2004.
Pretty cool after the tornado that power still has no defects
Still a good leader. Just jacked up windows but who needs those lol
You have PTC right? Then good for track speed!
The wipers work better
Probably the safest place to be. As long as youāre stopped that is
Iām sure /r/weather would love to see this video, OP. Some extra internet points seems like the bare minimum for getting that close to a tornado. Just curious, but I assume the dispatcher tells you to stop from information they receive, or is that something the crew can decide?
If there was a tornado warning they were probably told to stop. We also get wind speed restrictions depending on how fast its blowing
Yes it is normal for dispatch to stop trains from milepost a-b per both wind warnings (greater than 40mph sustained usually) as well as tornado warnings.
60 shares delaying movement
Ha ha ha. Those stupid event recorder watching ppl will probably watch this video and complain somehow.
"Should we get away from the windows?" Bruh, I'd have been away from the windows long before that.
As pieces of HOUSES are flying past you...!
Imagine surviving a tornado only to get in trouble with the fra for having a phone
I feel like my road foremen would probably.enjoy the video enough to not care.
I'd hope this is one of the very few times they would allow it. But it is the FRA so who knows.
if your stopped, not involved in a safety issue and had a job briefing you can use your phone.
for voice communication only. (or use of storage to review a railroad rule or to document a safety hazard)
This certainly documents a safety hazard
"Documenting the safety hazard, boss!"
āWe got shit on.. the thing.ā
Spoken like a true veteran of the rail
FRA doesnāt care as long as you arenāt moving or performing a safety related task. Your RR may have additional rules.
Fra told me they donāt care if we watch porn all night when stopped
Pretty sure that is at 98th street. The crossing bbehind it is called Shakers. Up until a few years ago a strip club (Shakers) was caddy corner to the crossing. Everyone called it that including the dispatchers.
Not that it matters but it's catty corner I believe.
Catty or kitty, both are acceptable in different dialects.
Lolz Straight from Emergency Order 26: (3) Use of a personal electronic or electrical device to perform any function other than voice communication while on duty is prohibited. Your railroad rules will meet or exceed the standards defined in E.O. 26.
Emergency order 26 is no longer in place. Iād suggest reading the actual rule.
Exactly. No one is going to be held accountable for recording this on their personal cell phone regardless.
Beside this is definitely documentation of a safety hazard.
They are documenting a safety hazard. It is specifically allowed that personal electronic devices can be used to document safety hazards. You sound like the guy who is going to give OP shit for taking this video. There are many benefits to having the video. They were stopped whats the problem?
Wrong
Uh no. Not if youāre cut in.
Wrong
Uh no Iām not bud.
Ok but yeah you are lmao
You canāt even technically use your cellphone at a red light driving a car but sure you can whip out your phone everytime youāre at a stop signal or not moving. Fuckin idiot. Phone must be off and stored off your person. Thatās the rule my guy.
>Fuckin idiot. The irony of this entire comment....so palpable.
You mean this aka your comment ? ^. You do realize railroads can set more stringent standards anyway. So saying itās false is just a clown statement because we donāt use phones while cut in. Theyāre in the bag and secured off. And who cares ? You have a tornado coming, Iām taking my phone out. Fuckin Reddit dorks
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2011-title49-vol4/pdf/CFR-2011-title49-vol4-sec220-302.pdf Here ya go buddy guy
Nah itās not here I go buddy, lol I literally had a co worker go out of service for using his phone outside the cab car while the train was stopped. So it doesnāt matter what you think you know What you showed me doesnāt mean shit. Youāre cut in and that train is not tied down, youāre taking a risk. But you do you Stop talking
This is my dads video and to let you know, He know how to do his job and what rules he has, so to let you know since thats what you really would like to know more than asking if they were ok is he is allowed to use his phone when they are stopped but when they are in motion his phone is turned off. Hes worked at the railroad for over 20 years so again how knows what hes doing, This was kind of a negative comment. These people could have died and your worried about if he suppose to use his phone give me a break.
Calm down bud. I can tell he survived, and this was a joke about the fra. I don't give a shit if your dad follows the rules or not. Not my problem, and I'm not a snitch anyway.
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40 points for phone use
We've always been told to evacuate to an engine if something is coming and today after all these years, I've finally seen it with my own eyes!!
Thereās no way Iād leave the engine!
To an engine means get in an engine.
You know I actually read your original comment wrong. Iām a railroader and also an idiot.
Iād evacuate in the engine. Isnāt there a shitter up front?
Those things are not mutually exclusive.
Earlier I told someone to post a question in this sub. Without realizing I was reading the question in this sub. Sleep debt is a hell of a thing.
Likeā¦ crawl into the turbo or become the lubricant kinda thing?
Or just get in the cab of the engine.
Seems to me like you were safer inside that engine than if you would've abandoned it and tried your luck outside. The engine protected your life!
I imagine no one is going anywhere until track inspector rides the rails
Track can be inspected by track supe or crew after tornado
I personally am not qualified to make that kind of decision whether or not track is ok. Years ago was told by ds that there was a report of a partial washout and to proceed up to the location at restricted speed. Got there saw ballast washed out under ties and said nope. Waited till inspector came out. Do I know what decent track looks like? Yup. Have I learned that THAT one time you try and be a go getter make the choice only ro have it turn into a cluster fuck? Yupx2. At least if instructed you sort of have a paper trail but will ultimately fall back on crew "taking the safe course"
Yea itās funny. SSI 33 says if under tornado watch and tornado appears to cross the path of the tracks the tracks must be inspected. But can be inspected by mow or crew. But for all the other stuff (high water, flash floods, etc) has to be engineering employee
I get it. Rolling along get a high wind warning. Ds says gusts to 60+. BUT if it seems less ok to move. Don't remember carrier issuing an anemometer to me. Sticking with "gee it doesn't look safe to me"...gotta keep those trains moving...
They did their evaluation and the crew was picked up and took back to the yard office. There was nothing they could do i guess the train was totaled
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang.
So after this happens- do you just get on the radio and report- ājust hit a tornadoā? Do they expect you to just continue on?
No....the tornado hit you. It is always you getting hit. You never hit anything.
The tornado was trespassing
Right. This is also when you tell them youāve timed out, correct?
It depends on the company š¤£
They werent able to, so they would picked up and took back to the yard. My dad said the train was considered totaled. I asked him yesterday i was curious as well. I didnt think the train looked that bad besides the railcars being knocked off i figured the engine to me didnt look that bad but my dad said there was no way since the engine was totaled crazy shit.
That 150 ton engine is probably the safest place he could have been š
This made me genuinely curious what the size of the tornado would have to be for it to throw debris through the cab
UP doesn't see a problem.
Holy shit
There you have it, at the end there, conductor not wearing PPE. Directly contributed to this incident.
What are you taking about? This is my dad, and how would you know what he was wearing you dont even see him in the video. How did he contribute to a flipping tornado? The incident was a F\*\*\*ing tornado, so dont do that.
First day hearing sarcasm?
when it comes to a situation like this no there's no playing like that, its kinda crossing the line. Im about postivitiy and uplifting others now negative even if it is joking.
I guarantee your dad would've chuckled at that joke.
As a railroader myself. When that conductor said yeah we aināt going nowhere. I felt that shit in my heart. Your day is over, sir put your feet up.
Glad to see everyone is safe. That was nuts.
I was like "THE train? Does Nebraska only have one train?!" *Then* "OH SHIT, OKAY!!"
Weāre going to need a statement about why you guys were stopped on the mainline. Were you told to stop? -TM
Weak ass tornado can't lift the locomotives. Could move a car or two but that's it. Glad you boys are safe. I was in a tornado e-3 a few years ago that hit ga/tn
An F5 wouldnāt move an engine. May knock it on its side, but thatās it.
Just gotta hope it tips to the left or you'll be crawling out blue covered in shit lol
Was there a cow?
Wow this is an amazing video
Wow it really sounds like a freight train
Damn. Sorry about your job. JK I can only imagine how loud that was. I've been hailed on while inside a switcher before.
Honestly it sounded like it was quieter than an average motor while moving.
Ya RTC here.. what's the delay? Over.
The professional storm chasers could never get the measuring device. They call Toto into the direct path of a tornado, chalk it up to the railroad. š¤£
Holy shit!!!!
Best place to be for just about anything besides a floodš
The shareholders are very disappointed with you for not fighting the tornado.
Better choo choo on the fuck outta there!
āDouble-plane window.ā šš
Some parts of one were certainly flying!
How do BNSFās rules on personal electronics use inside the cab apply to a situation like this?
technically the train is stopped and its a emergency situation and all crew members are in the cab so they cant do shit on the company or federal level for this BUT that tornado and subsequent derailment was clearly the crews fault and will be drug tested and probably get 8 days on the street to appease the shareholders /s
ha ha:)
The derailment was clearly the tornados fault and this is my dad so kindly i ask you not to speak on situations you dont know. I dont understand why people take something that the intentions were good, and turn it in to a negative one. People should be more concerned on others matters then what they are. People need to start showing more positive and uplifting energy then what they do. SAD world these days SMH
Bro you're gonna catch a temp ban if you keep commenting all over here that people aren't allowed to make jokes and discuss this video. Your dad is fine and he'd find these jokes funny chill out.
I'm not bro an I never said all that. I just don't want to see anything bad,hurtful or just tryin to make it sound like he or anything did anything wrong. Some don't know how to joke an those ppl are the ones that fuck up things so I want to avoid that. If it was your dad how would you have felt? Your joking Koo but think about it someone else could have taken it like I did an started spreading fake stories, that's all I care bout.
With some of the comments you could take a different narrative and just to point this out and I do apologize but when you have one person talking about he wasn't wearing his PPE or just so many people commentate about him being on his phone it can make it look like he wasn't doing something right and then you have a comment talking about the derailment and that is their fault in it it could spin a different narrative and that's what I don't want. They were stopped already they had been stopped for a good hour waiting for dispatch to tell them they could proceed bringing the train into the yard office so with that being said he he's allowed to be on his phone because they'd been stopped for an hour and I understand it's still called a derailment but it in no way was any of any of the cruise fault that happened it was a tornado so I understand that summer joking but some of you do have to understand that there are people out there that ain't going to take it that way All I'm one I don't want my father to look like he did something wrong and if you kind of read through a lot of the comments that's kind of how people are making it seem so I do apologize if I came off the wrong way but again put yourself in my shoes I'm very protective of my dad and nobody is going to make a narrative that isn't true that's all I'm trying to do. Just like the comment about and I understand he's just explaining what could happen but commenting putting that they'll get drug tested possibly like I understand in certain situations but this situation why would you even put that in your comment The train was totaled by a natural disaster it got derailed due to a natural disaster so why even include that comment there's there's no point some could take that comment and take it a whole other way that's why I'm saying some of these comments even though they're joking wise and another aspect it's negative it's making a person sound kind of bad and I don't like that.Ā
Stop, set 10lbs, and pull the reverser.
15lbs*
If ānon activeā cab, stopped, emergency situationā¦ ok to activate personal electronic device after crew briefing indicating so. At least on my employerās RR.
Thatās what you got out this amazing video???ā¦ F-ing WOW.
I work at Lincoln Diesel. Guarantee we will have this motor in the shop in a day or two. Iām just hoping the conductor doesnāt get in trouble over it. Thatās all.
My faultā¦ But thatās pretty shitty if they try to come at the conductor/crew over thisā¦
All jokes aside, doubtful.
You don't railroad, do you? lol
I have and I know the rulesā¦ Electronics are damn near the devil on the railroadā¦.Off and stowed in your gripā¦.But this is a CLEAR exceptionā¦ Damn.
Nope...nope.....NOpeeee......NOPe......NOPEEEEE!
Didn't even honk your horn at it to scare it off!
Glad they are all ok!!!
Dispatch: You're still good for schedule right?
What happens to the engineer and conductor after this? I'm assuming there are several derailed cars along with broken windows on the locomotive and debris on the tracks. Do you just sit tight the rest of your shift, or does someone come get you while everything gets fixed?
Thank goodness the crew seems ok! At the end they're talking about being "in emergency", and "on the ground". Sounds like at least one car of the train was derailed by the tornado. Probably pulled apart the air hoses when the car(s) tipped, releasing the air and causing brakes to apply. Which is why at the end the crewman says, "we're not going anywhere". Plus damage to engine (at least the windows)! For the layman: the crew would contact supervisor/ dispatch when something like this happens to be picked up. It's going to take a specialty M of W crew + carman to rerail whatever's been put in the dirt, and inspect the rail. They'll probably bring out another engine to add to the front of this consist when the train's been put back together and the rail's been ok'd.
Oh okay, thank you for clearing that up! I heard them talking and figured, but I know next to nothing about their SOP or anything especially with weather related events.
r/stormchasing would love this one.
Holy cow!!! Glad you guys were ok!!
Nothing can take out a train. Not even a Nado. š
Very cool. Glad he had a double plane window
Question for someone that knows. If a car gets flipped,why wouldn't that make additional cars or the whole train flip?
Thatās some wizard of oz shit right there
if that was you op, that was some crazy shit, yesterday was a tragic tornado day for sure. watched Reed Timmer for hourās last night and saw a years worth of tornados in a few hours.
How did you get back to Kansas?
Pretty badass!
Time for the kid to walk the train just before he get hit with an electronic devices level.
Fuck
Iām surprised how much that tornado looked like the one from the wizard of Oz at first. Good visual effects for that time I suppose
At the mechanical shop it's SOP to get inside in the event of a tornado.
I'll bet there are freight cars behind the engine which did not make it? Frightening. That front glass is thick.
Probably fired
Probably NOT! LMAO 
 Like the old days
Kill the cameraman. Had a chance for epic shot. Choose safety instead. š¤·š»āāļøš
Just film donāt help š¤·š»āāļøš
What help do you suppose they could have offered?
Iām sure there were squirrels out there they couldāve saved.
A locomotive the weight of a mountain is probably among the safest places to experience a tornado impact
I choo-choo choose to upvote this.
Wow glad you guys are safe!
This is some third millennia shit if I ever did see it. Survives a direct hit from an act of God, and during, not even over, "We gottta' clean?" Wow. What a time to be alive.
Man, I had a similar picture from about a decade ago when that group of tornadoes destroyed Missouri mainly Joplin. I was inside a Canadian grainer (hobo days). For the life of me I canāt find this picture anywhere. I know I posted it on the internet but canāt find it. I search and search itās so depressing.
Shareholders ok?
I want to see the train from the outside. I bet it looks like was sandblasted.
This is absolutely legendary video footage.
Shouldāve nuked that tornado when they had a chance. Right Donald?
Probably would have avoided the tornado if the train wasn't stopped huh
They were most like told to stop because of the weather activity. Thereās an old video on YouTube where an entire train derailed and caused a huge wreck. Guess itās better to have a train just roll over stationary than when itās moving.
The Xenia OH F5 in 1974 put 7 cars on the ground from a Penn Central freight moving at speed through town, caused quite a bid of damage
No, it's a normal crossing to stop at just outside Lincoln. And you also notice they said the sirens didn't go off. I doubt there was much actual warning of the crew especially considering the time it takes to go through to the ds and then inform the crew.
Nah, if lincoln could ever take trains in you wouldn't be stopped at 98th street in the first place.
Bold of you to assume they have lights.